RE: Cursor blink rate affects FrameMaker stability?

[Susan Curtzwiler]

 
Hi Framers--
 
>From JX Conasulting
...blinking weird, irregularly. 
I checked the windows  setting in:  
Start -> Control Panel -> Keyboard -> Cursor Blink Rate.

JX -- Thanks for the info.  My FMKR will crash on my if I hold the cursor in 
one place too long, like if I'm highlighting something and trying to get the 
last letter of a phrase  OR if I'm scrolling back and forth too fast --  and 
then for no apparent reason, I get the infinite spinning blue circle and it 
forces me to close down that file.  Outrageously frustrating.   I just checked 
my blink rate, they were not at the maximum, a little beyond the middle.  
Nonetheless, I took them down a notch or so, to see if that will help. 

BTW:

For Frame 7.0  --  add in> Hardware and Sound>

Start -> Control Panel -> Hardware and Sound-> Keyboard -> Cursor Blink Rate.

 

Cheers -- Sue Curtzwiler






From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of JX Consulting
Sent: Wed 10/28/2009 10:41 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Cursor blink rate affects FrameMaker stability?




Three writers on my team reported too-frequent crashes in FrameMaker 
8, especially notable because it crashed disproportionately during 
idle time. (As opposed to crashes during one of our extremely complex 
FrameScripts that run 20 minutes or more... those usually completed 
fine.) We do not have any fancy keystroke interception code in 
FrameScript. Well, not yet anyway, I have a plan for some soon. :-) 
So, I wouldn't expect that any of our code affects this Idle-Crash 
issue. So, anyway i noticed one of the writers had a cursor that was 
blinking weird, irregularly. I checked the windows  setting in:  Start 
-> Control Panel -> Keyboard -> Cursor Blink Rate.

His blink rate was set to the MAXIMUM setting. I set it down a couple 
notches. And his crashing problem went away! The two other writers 
checked their setting for that, and theirs were set to the MINIMUM 
setting (no blink). They set theirs UP a couple notches. And their 
crashing problems reportedly also went away too!

Perhaps this is superstitious, but these three writers believe this 
change was what made stability improve. It's possible this issue is 
specific to folks with FrameScript, I have no idea. We all use 
FrameScript.  I could easily imagine this being a system event Idle 
issue either in FrameMaker, FrameScript, or both.

Anyway, if you are having crashing problems in FrameMaker, try setting 
this setting to somewhere in the *middle* of the range and see if that 
helps. If this change reduces your crashes noticably, PLEASE REPLY on 
the forum to this post with more information about your configuration. 
For example, that would clarify whether this is unique to FM8 or 
affects FM9 also, and whether this affects non-FrameScript users!

Configuration for the team:
* Win XP SP3 32bit
   (except 1 writer w/ 64bit, who was 1 of the 3 with the issue)
* FrameMaker 8.0p277
* FrameScript 5.2R1 (some might be R2)

For the record, there are other writers on the team, including me, who 
weren't experiencing these crashes. At least two of us had middle-of-
the-range settings for this value (and no "idle time" crashes), I'm 
not sure about the other two writers.

   -- JX Bell
  JX Consulting

___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as susa...@vmc.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/susancu%40vmc.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.


___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Cursor blink rate affects FrameMaker stability?

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi Framers--

>From JX Conasulting
...blinking weird, irregularly. 
I checked the windows  setting in:  
Start -> Control Panel -> Keyboard -> Cursor Blink Rate.

JX -- Thanks for the info.  My FMKR will crash on my if I hold the cursor in 
one place too long, like if I'm highlighting something and trying to get the 
last letter of a phrase  OR if I'm scrolling back and forth too fast --  and 
then for no apparent reason, I get the infinite spinning blue circle and it 
forces me to close down that file.  Outrageously frustrating.   I just checked 
my blink rate, they were not at the maximum, a little beyond the middle.  
Nonetheless, I took them down a notch or so, to see if that will help. 

BTW:

For Frame 7.0  --  add in> Hardware and Sound>

Start -> Control Panel -> Hardware and Sound-> Keyboard -> Cursor Blink Rate.



Cheers -- Sue Curtzwiler






From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of JX Consulting
Sent: Wed 10/28/2009 10:41 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Cursor blink rate affects FrameMaker stability?




Three writers on my team reported too-frequent crashes in FrameMaker 
8, especially notable because it crashed disproportionately during 
idle time. (As opposed to crashes during one of our extremely complex 
FrameScripts that run 20 minutes or more... those usually completed 
fine.) We do not have any fancy keystroke interception code in 
FrameScript. Well, not yet anyway, I have a plan for some soon. :-) 
So, I wouldn't expect that any of our code affects this Idle-Crash 
issue. So, anyway i noticed one of the writers had a cursor that was 
blinking weird, irregularly. I checked the windows  setting in:  Start 
-> Control Panel -> Keyboard -> Cursor Blink Rate.

His blink rate was set to the MAXIMUM setting. I set it down a couple 
notches. And his crashing problem went away! The two other writers 
checked their setting for that, and theirs were set to the MINIMUM 
setting (no blink). They set theirs UP a couple notches. And their 
crashing problems reportedly also went away too!

Perhaps this is superstitious, but these three writers believe this 
change was what made stability improve. It's possible this issue is 
specific to folks with FrameScript, I have no idea. We all use 
FrameScript.  I could easily imagine this being a system event Idle 
issue either in FrameMaker, FrameScript, or both.

Anyway, if you are having crashing problems in FrameMaker, try setting 
this setting to somewhere in the *middle* of the range and see if that 
helps. If this change reduces your crashes noticably, PLEASE REPLY on 
the forum to this post with more information about your configuration. 
For example, that would clarify whether this is unique to FM8 or 
affects FM9 also, and whether this affects non-FrameScript users!

Configuration for the team:
* Win XP SP3 32bit
   (except 1 writer w/ 64bit, who was 1 of the 3 with the issue)
* FrameMaker 8.0p277
* FrameScript 5.2R1 (some might be R2)

For the record, there are other writers on the team, including me, who 
weren't experiencing these crashes. At least two of us had middle-of-
the-range settings for this value (and no "idle time" crashes), I'm 
not sure about the other two writers.

   -- JX Bell
  JX Consulting

___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as susancu at vmc.com.

Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/susancu%40vmc.com

Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Solved RE: Tile page with new version number

[Susan Curtzwiler]

 
Hi All, 
   Thank you for all the suggestions.  My first thought was to change the file 
name as noted by many of you. 
I was checking to see if there was a tag I was missing, as suggested by 
Jerrilynn.  
I went ahead and changed the filename, since I wanted the name of the file to 
match the name of the title page. 
 
  I treasure all the help from this forum. 
 
Thanks again and have a great weekend. 
 
Sue Curtzwiler 
susa...@vmc.com



From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Thu 10/22/2009 10:43 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Tile page with new version number



Susan Curtzwiler wrote:
> Hi all I am using FMKR 7.0 on Vista Enterprise
>
>
> Would someone please share how to get the revision number from the
> title page to change in the title in the list on the book file?
>
> For example: Book File partial list
>
> C:|Users/alias\docs\NameofBook_3.1_20091022 3.0 Title Page.fm
> Front_Matter.fm ABC_NameofBook_3.1_200901022TOC.fm Preface.fm Ho to
> Use Book.fm
>
>
> So  -- how do I get the first line to change to 3.1 Title Page.fm
>


Others have pointed out that you are viewing file names and must rename
the file to meet your objective.  But perhaps all you really want is to
see the first heading in each file instead of the file name?  In the
book window, there are four icons in the lower right; the leftmost of
them toggles between file names and headings in the list of book contents.

HTH,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

"He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand
your words."

-- Elbert Hubbard (1856-1915)


___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Solved RE: Tile page with new version number

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 
   Thank you for all the suggestions.  My first thought was to change the file 
name as noted by many of you. 
I was checking to see if there was a tag I was missing, as suggested by 
Jerrilynn.  
I went ahead and changed the filename, since I wanted the name of the file to 
match the name of the title page. 

  I treasure all the help from this forum. 

Thanks again and have a great weekend. 

Sue Curtzwiler 
susancu at vmc.com



From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Thu 10/22/2009 10:43 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Tile page with new version number



Susan Curtzwiler wrote:
> Hi all I am using FMKR 7.0 on Vista Enterprise
>
>
> Would someone please share how to get the revision number from the
> title page to change in the title in the list on the book file?
>
> For example: Book File partial list
>
> C:|Users/alias\docs\NameofBook_3.1_20091022 3.0 Title Page.fm
> Front_Matter.fm ABC_NameofBook_3.1_200901022TOC.fm Preface.fm Ho to
> Use Book.fm
>
>
> So  -- how do I get the first line to change to 3.1 Title Page.fm
>


Others have pointed out that you are viewing file names and must rename
the file to meet your objective.  But perhaps all you really want is to
see the first heading in each file instead of the file name?  In the
book window, there are four icons in the lower right; the leftmost of
them toggles between file names and headings in the list of book contents.

HTH,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

"He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand
your words."

-- Elbert Hubbard (1856-1915)

Tile page with new version number

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi all
   I am using FMKR 7.0 on Vista Enterprise
 
 
Would someone please share how to get the revision number from the title page 
to change in the title in the list on the book file?
 
For example: 
 Book File partial list

C:|Users/alias\docs\NameofBook_3.1_20091022 
   3.0 Title Page.fm
   Front_Matter.fm
   ABC_NameofBook_3.1_200901022TOC.fm
   Preface.fm
   Ho to Use Book.fm
 
 
So  -- how do I get the first line to change to 3.1 Title Page.fm
 
I updated the file, saved, updated the book file, nothing changes. 
 
Thanks for any insight to this.
 
Sue Curtzwiler
susa...@vmc.comu
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Tile page with new version number

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi all
   I am using FMKR 7.0 on Vista Enterprise


Would someone please share how to get the revision number from the title page 
to change in the title in the list on the book file?

For example: 
 Book File partial list

C:|Users/alias\docs\NameofBook_3.1_20091022 
   3.0 Title Page.fm
   Front_Matter.fm
   ABC_NameofBook_3.1_200901022TOC.fm
   Preface.fm
   Ho to Use Book.fm


So  -- how do I get the first line to change to 3.1 Title Page.fm

I updated the file, saved, updated the book file, nothing changes. 

Thanks for any insight to this.

Sue Curtzwiler
susancu at vmc.comu

Right pg, table and figure numbering

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 
   Using Frame 7.0 on Vista Enterprise
 
Something happened to my file when I used Save As to a new version.
 
Suddenly, chapters and files within the chapters that used to start on a right 
page and have an odd numbered page number, now have an even page number. 
 
> Checkpoint 1:  I looked at my Paragraph for headings etc., style settings, 
> and they say "start on right page"  for a new Work Instruction title and a 
> new Chapter title.
> Checkpoint 2:  I went to "Numbering"  the title page of the document and the 
> front matter pages seem to be correct, but when the actual chapters and other 
> files begin, the pagination has shifted. 
 
---
Also, my table numbering got messed up - occasionally, the title is repeated 
twice for the same table, one is showing as a body style and one is part of the 
table format, which obviously ruins the table numbering. 
 
 
Checkpoint 1:  It looks like I can delete the title that is showing up as a 
"body" style.  It's just that not all the tables are using the title that is 
part of the Table Design Style - such as  - Format A and so on. 
 

 
1. Most important first,  how do I fix the pagination?
 
2. How do I fix the tables and figure numbering. 
 
3. I Need to save the book file and the individual files on share point, I 
would like to give this a new version for an internal release  - such as 
version 3.2.
 
 
Thank you for any help you can give me. 
Sue Curtzwiler
susa...@vmc.com
 
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Right pg, table and figure numbering

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 
   Using Frame 7.0 on Vista Enterprise

Something happened to my file when I used Save As to a new version.

Suddenly, chapters and files within the chapters that used to start on a right 
page and have an odd numbered page number, now have an even page number. 

> Checkpoint 1:  I looked at my Paragraph for headings etc., style settings, 
> and they say "start on right page"  for a new Work Instruction title and a 
> new Chapter title.
> Checkpoint 2:  I went to "Numbering"  the title page of the document and the 
> front matter pages seem to be correct, but when the actual chapters and other 
> files begin, the pagination has shifted. 

---
Also, my table numbering got messed up - occasionally, the title is repeated 
twice for the same table, one is showing as a body style and one is part of the 
table format, which obviously ruins the table numbering. 


Checkpoint 1:  It looks like I can delete the title that is showing up as a 
"body" style.  It's just that not all the tables are using the title that is 
part of the Table Design Style - such as  - Format A and so on. 



1. Most important first,  how do I fix the pagination?

2. How do I fix the tables and figure numbering. 

3. I Need to save the book file and the individual files on share point, I 
would like to give this a new version for an internal release  - such as 
version 3.2.


Thank you for any help you can give me. 
Sue Curtzwiler
susancu at vmc.com

RE: Help wth hyperlinks_Please

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi Shlomo,
 
Reminder:  FM7  and Acrobat Distiller 5.0  on Vista Enterprise
 
 
   Option 2 worked great.  But I have a question. 
In that setup page there is this note  (partial excerpt):
 
If you always regenerate PDF after adding new links, turn this setting OFF. 
This is the recommended setting.
 
 
I regenerate the FM file to do updates and to get ready to make a new PDF,,, 
but I'm not regenerating a PDF file. 
 
Could you please explain this for me?
 
Thanks,
Sue
 
 



From: Shlomo Perets [mailto:shlo...@microtype.com]
Sent: Tue 9/8/2009 10:59 PM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Help wth hyperlinks_Please



Two additional points:

-- There are cases where the hypertext markers are all valid, yet the
resulting link is very small due to the character format affecting the
marker only (eg when copying a gotolink marker from one paragraph to
another, with the two paragraphs having different character properties).
You can fix this by first applying "default paragraph font" to the entire
area, then apply the required character format to the link text.
The link location/size can be inspected in Acrobat (when the Link tool is
active).

-- If the link works in FrameMaker (view only document, or regular document
with Ctrl-Alt-click), but not in Acrobat: in FrameMaker's PDF Setup dialog
box, turn on "Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs" (Links tab).
A sample FM7 files which demonstrates a valid hypertext marker resulting in
a non-functional link is available at:
http://www.microtype.com/resources/bugs/dests_hypertext.zip ; the PDF link
is fine when turning on "Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs".


Shlomo Perets

MicroType * http://www.microtype.com <http://www.microtype.com/> 
FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants


"Liven up your PDFs with FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants"
1-hour webinar (free)
Thursday, Sept. 10, starting 10am PDT | 1pm EDT | 5pm UTC/GMT:
https://student.gototraining.com/register/8019702938678710980
.




___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Help wth hyperlinks_Please

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi Shlomo,

Reminder:  FM7  and Acrobat Distiller 5.0  on Vista Enterprise


   Option 2 worked great.  But I have a question. 
In that setup page there is this note  (partial excerpt):

If you always regenerate PDF after adding new links, turn this setting OFF. 
This is the recommended setting.


I regenerate the FM file to do updates and to get ready to make a new PDF,,, 
but I'm not regenerating a PDF file. 

Could you please explain this for me?

Thanks,
Sue





From: Shlomo Perets [mailto:shlo...@microtype.com]
Sent: Tue 9/8/2009 10:59 PM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Help wth hyperlinks_Please



Two additional points:

-- There are cases where the hypertext markers are all valid, yet the
resulting link is very small due to the character format affecting the
marker only (eg when copying a gotolink marker from one paragraph to
another, with the two paragraphs having different character properties).
You can fix this by first applying "default paragraph font" to the entire
area, then apply the required character format to the link text.
The link location/size can be inspected in Acrobat (when the Link tool is
active).

-- If the link works in FrameMaker (view only document, or regular document
with Ctrl-Alt-click), but not in Acrobat: in FrameMaker's PDF Setup dialog
box, turn on "Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs" (Links tab).
A sample FM7 files which demonstrates a valid hypertext marker resulting in
a non-functional link is available at:
http://www.microtype.com/resources/bugs/dests_hypertext.zip ; the PDF link
is fine when turning on "Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs".


Shlomo Perets

MicroType * http://www.microtype.com <http://www.microtype.com/> 
FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants


"Liven up your PDFs with FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants"
1-hour webinar (free)
Thursday, Sept. 10, starting 10am PDT | 1pm EDT | 5pm UTC/GMT:
https://student.gototraining.com/register/8019702938678710980
. 

RE: Help wth hyperlinks_Please

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Bill -  
   That is a good possibility, especially since it is simply a link to text, 
not another link or URL .
 
Thanks,
Sue 



From: Bill Swallow [mailto:techcommd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tue 9/8/2009 8:40 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: Les Smalley; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Help wth hyperlinks_Please



Sue,

Might a cross reference work better for you than a hyperlink?

---
Bill Swallow
http://techcommdood.com <http://techcommdood.com/> 
Sent from my iPhone.


___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Help wth hyperlinks_Please

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Bill -  
   That is a good possibility, especially since it is simply a link to text, 
not another link or URL .

Thanks,
Sue 



From: Bill Swallow [mailto:techcommd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tue 9/8/2009 8:40 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: Les Smalley; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Help wth hyperlinks_Please



Sue,

Might a cross reference work better for you than a hyperlink?

---
Bill Swallow
http://techcommdood.com <http://techcommdood.com/> 
Sent from my iPhone.

RE: Help wth hyperlinks_Please

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Les, 
 
  Sorry about that, my example is wrong...   I am using the word ... checklist  
 ...  all lower case at both the "go to" and "destination"  spots. 
 
I will work through your answer and see if it works. 
 
Thanks,
Sue 



From: Les Smalley [mailto:l_c_smal...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tue 9/8/2009 8:17 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Help wth hyperlinks_Please


Sue,

If you create a new link and give it the identifier "checklist" (as in your 
"what I am doing" procedure) then you should use that same ID as the 
destination when you insert the "Jump to Named Destination" hypertext marker.  
Perhaps it was inadvertent, but your example has different 'names' and I would 
not expect it to work, either in FM or PDF.  Also note that the names are 
case-sensitive, so "checklist" and "CheckList" are different destination names. 
 You will still see the hand pointer (as you hover over the hypertext marker), 
but because the names don't match, the jump can't find the target to move the 
insertion point.

The "validate" function only really verifies that you have the syntax correct 
for the marker you're adding, not that the command will work as expected.  
After all, you could enter the "goto" commands first, then define the 
destinations as the second step...

You can test a link by temporarily locking the document via Save as View Only 
or the escape sequence Esc F l k (four separate key presses: escape, Capital-F, 
lowercase-L lowercase-K ; this toggles the locked or "view-only" state of the 
document) or just hold the control and alt keys together as you hover over the 
hypertext marker.

I hope this helps. 

--- On Mon, 9/7/09, Susan Curtzwiler  <mailto:susa...@vmc.com> 
 wrote:


I am using Frame 7.0 with Vista Enterprise
Adobe Reader 9.0
Adobe Distiller 5.0

I have been reading and following the help files and the User Guide for 
days now.  I cannot successfully and consistently make a simple link within the 
same document. 

It looks like you need to save as "View Only" in order to activate the 
link.  I have done that and also saved regular and I cannot get the link to 
jump from point A to point B 
or in other words to go from the "new link" to the "specified 
destination".

Here is what I am doing.

1.   Select the word or phrase that is the destination 
2.  ; Go to Special>Hypertext 
3.   In the Command box, select "Specify Named Destination" 
4.   In the Syntax box it says "newlink"   and then next to that I type 
in the word to be found  "checklist"  all lower case 
5.   The checkbox for "Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 
6.   Click on "New Hypertext Marker"

then I go to the starting point 

1.   Select the word or phrase that will be marked as the starting 
point 
2.   Go to Special>Hypertext 
3.   In the Command box, select "Jump to Named Destination" 
4.   In the Syntax box it says "gotolink" and then next to that I type 
in the word that was used at the destination point "server"  all lowercase 
5.   The checkbox for "Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 
6.   Click on "New Hypertext Marker"

So, now from here is apparently where I get lost. 

If I save as "view only", I will get the hand pointer and it looks like 
it will work. 

However, if I click on it, nothing happens. 

If I make a PDF, nothing happens. 

Please, what am I missing? 

Thanks, 

Sue Curtzwiler   susa...@vmc.com 
<http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=susa...@vmc.com> 



- Les 



___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Help wth hyperlinks_Please

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Les, 

  Sorry about that, my example is wrong...   I am using the word ... checklist  
 ...  all lower case at both the "go to" and "destination"  spots. 

I will work through your answer and see if it works. 

Thanks,
Sue 



From: Les Smalley [mailto:l_c_smal...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tue 9/8/2009 8:17 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Help wth hyperlinks_Please


Sue,

If you create a new link and give it the identifier "checklist" (as in your 
"what I am doing" procedure) then you should use that same ID as the 
destination when you insert the "Jump to Named Destination" hypertext marker.  
Perhaps it was inadvertent, but your example has different 'names' and I would 
not expect it to work, either in FM or PDF.  Also note that the names are 
case-sensitive, so "checklist" and "CheckList" are different destination names. 
 You will still see the hand pointer (as you hover over the hypertext marker), 
but because the names don't match, the jump can't find the target to move the 
insertion point.

The "validate" function only really verifies that you have the syntax correct 
for the marker you're adding, not that the command will work as expected.  
After all, you could enter the "goto" commands first, then define the 
destinations as the second step...

You can test a link by temporarily locking the document via Save as View Only 
or the escape sequence Esc F l k (four separate key presses: escape, Capital-F, 
lowercase-L lowercase-K ; this toggles the locked or "view-only" state of the 
document) or just hold the control and alt keys together as you hover over the 
hypertext marker.

I hope this helps. 

--- On Mon, 9/7/09, Susan Curtzwiler  <mailto:SusanCu at 
vmc.com>  wrote:


I am using Frame 7.0 with Vista Enterprise
Adobe Reader 9.0
Adobe Distiller 5.0

I have been reading and following the help files and the User Guide for 
days now.  I cannot successfully and consistently make a simple link within the 
same document. 

It looks like you need to save as "View Only" in order to activate the 
link.  I have done that and also saved regular and I cannot get the link to 
jump from point A to point B 
or in other words to go from the "new link" to the "specified 
destination".

Here is what I am doing.

1.   Select the word or phrase that is the destination 
2.  ; Go to Special>Hypertext 
3.   In the Command box, select "Specify Named Destination" 
4.   In the Syntax box it says "newlink"   and then next to that I type 
in the word to be found  "checklist"  all lower case 
5.   The checkbox for "Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 
6.   Click on "New Hypertext Marker"

then I go to the starting point 

1.   Select the word or phrase that will be marked as the starting 
point 
2.   Go to Special>Hypertext 
3.   In the Command box, select "Jump to Named Destination" 
4.   In the Syntax box it says "gotolink" and then next to that I type 
in the word that was used at the destination point "server"  all lowercase 
5.   The checkbox for "Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 
6.   Click on "New Hypertext Marker"

So, now from here is apparently where I get lost. 

If I save as "view only", I will get the hand pointer and it looks like 
it will work. 

However, if I click on it, nothing happens. 

If I make a PDF, nothing happens. 

Please, what am I missing? 

Thanks, 

Sue Curtzwiler   susancu at vmc.com 
<http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=susancu at vmc.com> 



- Les 

Help wth hyperlinks_Please

[Susan Curtzwiler]

 Sorry,  resending this so it is not attached to the previous email.
 
 
Hi Art, 
  I am sending this to you because I have not seen anything from the Users 
Group for over a week now. I tried sending this request out the general user 
group email list and it bounced back as non-deliverable. 
  -- Thanks,, Sue 
 
---
 
 I am using Frame 7.0 with Vista Enterprise
Adobe Reader 9.0
Adobe Distiller 5.0
 
 
I have been reading and following the help files and the User Guide for days 
now.  I cannot successfully and consistently make a simple link within the same 
document. 
 
It looks like you need to save as "View Only" in order to activate the link.  I 
have done that and also saved regular and I cannot get the link to jump from 
point A to point B 
or in other words to go from the "new link" to the "specified destination".
 
Here is what I am doing.

1.  Select the word or phrase that is the destination 
2.  Go to Special>Hypertext 
3.  In the Command box, select "Specify Named Destination" 
4.  In the Syntax box it says "newlink"   and then next to that I type in 
the word to be found  "checklist"  all lower case 
5.  The checkbox for "Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 
6.  Click on "New Hypertext Marker"

then I go to the starting point 

1.  Select the word or phrase that will be marked as the starting point 
2.  Go to Special>Hypertext 
3.  In the Command box, select "Jump to Named Destination" 
4.  In the Syntax box it says "gotolink" and then next to that I type in 
the word that was used at the destination point "server"  all lower case 
5.  The checkbox for "Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 
6.  Click on "New Hypertext Marker"

So, now from here is apparently where I get lost. 

If I save as "view only", I will get the hand pointer and it looks like it will 
work. 

However, if I click on it, nothing happens. 

If I make a PDF, nothing happens. 

Please, what am I missing?  

Thanks, 

Sue Curtzwiler   susa...@vmc.com

 

___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

RE: WEBINAR: Using FrameMaker and DITA with XDocs Content Management System

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi Art, 
  I am sending this to you because I have not seen anything from the Users 
Group for over a week now. I tried sending this request out the general user 
group email list and it bounced back as non-deliverable. 
  -- Thanks,, Sue 
 
---
 
 I am using Frame 7.0 with Vista Enterprise
Adobe Reader 9.0
Adobe Distiller 5.0
 
 
I have been reading and following the help files and the User Guide for days 
now.  I cannot successfully and consistently make a simple link within the same 
document. 
 
It looks like you need to save as "View Only" in order to activate the link.  I 
have done that and also saved regular and I cannot get the link to jump from 
point A to point B 
or in other words to go from the "new link" to the "specified destination".
 
Here is what I am doing.

1.  Select the word or phrase that is the destination 
2.  Go to Special>Hypertext 
3.  In the Command box, select "Specify Named Destination" 
4.  In the Syntax box it says "newlink"   and then next to that I type in 
the word to be found  "checklist"  all lower case 
5.  The checkbox for "Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 
6.  Click on "New Hypertext Marker"

then I go to the starting point 

1.  Select the word or phrase that will be marked as the starting point 
2.  Go to Special>Hypertext 
3.  In the Command box, select "Jump to Named Destination" 
4.  In the Syntax box it says "gotolink" and then next to that I type in 
the word that was used at the destination point "server"  all lower case 
5.  The checkbox for "Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 
6.  Click on "New Hypertext Marker"

So, now from here is apparently where I get lost. 

If I save as "view only", I will get the hand pointer and it looks like it will 
work. 

However, if I click on it, nothing happens. 

If I make a PDF, nothing happens. 

Please, what am I missing?  

Thanks, 

Sue Curtzwiler   susa...@vmc.com

 

 

 

 



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Art Campbell
Sent: Fri 7/10/2009 4:44 AM
To: Scott Prentice
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: WEBINAR: Using FrameMaker and DITA with XDocs Content Management 
System



Sorry about that.
Counting and all those numbers have always confused me. ;-  )

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Scott Prentice wrote:
> Don't scare me like that Art .. 10am Pacific is 1pm Eastern .. no?
>
> ...scott
>
>
>
> Art Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Uh, Scott, this seems to be taking place at 10 a.m. PST, which means 7
>> a.m. EST...
>> Is that correct?
>>
>> Art Campbell
>>   art.campb...@gmail.com
>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>>  No disclaimers apply.
>>   DoD 358
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Scott Prentice wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Using FrameMaker and DITA with XDocs Content Management System*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Join us for a Webinar on July 30*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Space is limited.*
>>> Reserve your Webinar seat now at:
>>> https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/409229307
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When it comes to working with DITA, FrameMaker, XDocs and DITA-FMx are a
>>> powerful combination. Using these tools provides an affordable DITA
>>> suite in which you can:
>>>
>>> . Create semantically marked up content that adheres to the DITA
>>> specification
>>> . Use CMS features to check in, manage, and publish content
>>> . Create rich output using familiar FrameMaker templates
>>>
>>> Attend a free 90 minute webinar and see how this can be done, hear real
>>> client stories, and gain insight into how the process is implemented,
>>> managed, and used.
>>>
>>> This webinar is a collaborative effort between Bluestream Database
>>> Software, Leximation Inc. and Publishing Smarter Inc.  The respective
>>> companies have a vast amount of knowledge and experience in DITA-enabled
>>> content management systems, technical publications, structured content,
>>> content conversion, and FrameMaker.
>>>
>>> AGENDA:
>>>
>>> . Welcome
>>> . Client case study
>>> . Overview of content conversion (Word/FrameMaker/other)
>>> . Benefit of DITA-FMx plug in
>>> . Introduction to Bluestream XDocs CMS
>>> . Content import to a CMS
>>> . Check in/out and edits in FrameMaker 8 and 9
>>> . Publish using FrameMaker
>>> . Publish from a CMS
>>> . Q & A
>>>
>>> PRESENTERS:
>>>
>>> Bernard Aschwanden, President, Publishing Smarter Inc.
>>> Nenad Furtula, VP 

Help wth hyperlinks_Please

[Susan Curtzwiler]

 Sorry,  resending this so it is not attached to the previous email.


Hi Art, 
  I am sending this to you because I have not seen anything from the Users 
Group for over a week now. I tried sending this request out the general user 
group email list and it bounced back as non-deliverable. 
  -- Thanks,, Sue 

---

 I am using Frame 7.0 with Vista Enterprise
Adobe Reader 9.0
Adobe Distiller 5.0


I have been reading and following the help files and the User Guide for days 
now.  I cannot successfully and consistently make a simple link within the same 
document. 

It looks like you need to save as "View Only" in order to activate the link.  I 
have done that and also saved regular and I cannot get the link to jump from 
point A to point B 
or in other words to go from the "new link" to the "specified destination".

Here is what I am doing.

1.  Select the word or phrase that is the destination 
2.  Go to Special>Hypertext 
3.  In the Command box, select "Specify Named Destination" 
4.  In the Syntax box it says "newlink"   and then next to that I type in 
the word to be found  "checklist"  all lower case 
5.  The checkbox for "Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 
6.  Click on "New Hypertext Marker"

then I go to the starting point 

1.  Select the word or phrase that will be marked as the starting point 
2.  Go to Special>Hypertext 
3.  In the Command box, select "Jump to Named Destination" 
4.  In the Syntax box it says "gotolink" and then next to that I type in 
the word that was used at the destination point "server"  all lower case 
5.  The checkbox for "Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 
6.  Click on "New Hypertext Marker"

So, now from here is apparently where I get lost. 

If I save as "view only", I will get the hand pointer and it looks like it will 
work. 

However, if I click on it, nothing happens. 

If I make a PDF, nothing happens. 

Please, what am I missing?  

Thanks, 

Sue Curtzwiler   susancu at vmc.com

WEBINAR: Using FrameMaker and DITA with XDocs Content Management System

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi Art, 
  I am sending this to you because I have not seen anything from the Users 
Group for over a week now. I tried sending this request out the general user 
group email list and it bounced back as non-deliverable. 
  -- Thanks,, Sue 

---

 I am using Frame 7.0 with Vista Enterprise
Adobe Reader 9.0
Adobe Distiller 5.0


I have been reading and following the help files and the User Guide for days 
now.  I cannot successfully and consistently make a simple link within the same 
document. 

It looks like you need to save as "View Only" in order to activate the link.  I 
have done that and also saved regular and I cannot get the link to jump from 
point A to point B 
or in other words to go from the "new link" to the "specified destination".

Here is what I am doing.

1.  Select the word or phrase that is the destination 
2.  Go to Special>Hypertext 
3.  In the Command box, select "Specify Named Destination" 
4.  In the Syntax box it says "newlink"   and then next to that I type in 
the word to be found  "checklist"  all lower case 
5.  The checkbox for "Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 
6.  Click on "New Hypertext Marker"

then I go to the starting point 

1.  Select the word or phrase that will be marked as the starting point 
2.  Go to Special>Hypertext 
3.  In the Command box, select "Jump to Named Destination" 
4.  In the Syntax box it says "gotolink" and then next to that I type in 
the word that was used at the destination point "server"  all lower case 
5.  The checkbox for "Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 
6.  Click on "New Hypertext Marker"

So, now from here is apparently where I get lost. 

If I save as "view only", I will get the hand pointer and it looks like it will 
work. 

However, if I click on it, nothing happens. 

If I make a PDF, nothing happens. 

Please, what am I missing?  

Thanks, 

Sue Curtzwiler   susancu at vmc.com











From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Art Campbell
Sent: Fri 7/10/2009 4:44 AM
To: Scott Prentice
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: WEBINAR: Using FrameMaker and DITA with XDocs Content Management 
System



Sorry about that.
Counting and all those numbers have always confused me. ;-  )

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Scott Prentice wrote:
> Don't scare me like that Art .. 10am Pacific is 1pm Eastern .. no?
>
> ...scott
>
>
>
> Art Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Uh, Scott, this seems to be taking place at 10 a.m. PST, which means 7
>> a.m. EST...
>> Is that correct?
>>
>> Art Campbell
>>   art.campbell at gmail.com
>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>>  No disclaimers apply.
>>   DoD 358
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Scott Prentice wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Using FrameMaker and DITA with XDocs Content Management System*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Join us for a Webinar on July 30*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Space is limited.*
>>> Reserve your Webinar seat now at:
>>> https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/409229307
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When it comes to working with DITA, FrameMaker, XDocs and DITA-FMx are a
>>> powerful combination. Using these tools provides an affordable DITA
>>> suite in which you can:
>>>
>>> . Create semantically marked up content that adheres to the DITA
>>> specification
>>> . Use CMS features to check in, manage, and publish content
>>> . Create rich output using familiar FrameMaker templates
>>>
>>> Attend a free 90 minute webinar and see how this can be done, hear real
>>> client stories, and gain insight into how the process is implemented,
>>> managed, and used.
>>>
>>> This webinar is a collaborative effort between Bluestream Database
>>> Software, Leximation Inc. and Publishing Smarter Inc.  The respective
>>> companies have a vast amount of knowledge and experience in DITA-enabled
>>> content management systems, technical publications, structured content,
>>> content conversion, and FrameMaker.
>>>
>>> AGENDA:
>>>
>>> . Welcome
>>> . Client case study
>>> . Overview of content conversion (Word/FrameMaker/other)
>>> . Benefit of DITA-FMx plug in
>>> . Introduction to Bluestream XDocs CMS
>>> . Content import to a CMS
>>> . Check in/out and edits in FrameMaker 8 and 9
>>> . Publish using FrameMaker
>>> . Publish from a CMS
>>> . Q & A
>>>
>>> PRESENTERS:
>>>
>>> Bernard Aschwanden, President, Publishing Smarter Inc.
>>> Nenad Furtula, VP S

THANK YOU RE: NT: Updating the path

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Alan, 
  Thanks for making this easy.  With a little careful planning, everything is 
working again. 
 
Sue



From: Alan T Litchfield [mailto:a...@alphabyte.co.nz]
Sent: Tue 7/14/2009 3:04 PM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: NT: Updating the path



Sue,

On 15/07/2009, at 6:49 AM, Susan Curtzwiler wrote:

> I need to move a folder of images and a FMKR file to the same 
> location as the rest of my book.
>
> Could someone pleas point me in the right direction for some self 
> study of how to do this and not risk loosing my current path to the 
> rest of the book file, which is almost done?  I can't loose anything 
> already in place.
>

I assume you have used images in the folder, and that the file you are 
adding to the book also uses images from the same folder. Moving their 
location is not very problematic, just put the folders where you want 
them to be and when you open one of the files with links to the moved 
images folder FM will complain that it can't find images. In the 
dialog that opens, navigate to the new folder location and when you 
select it, all image links will be updated at once for that file.

Alan


--
Alan T Litchfield
AlphaByte
PO Box 141, Auckland, 1140
New Zealand
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz <http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/> 



___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

THANK YOU RE: NT: Updating the path

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Alan, 
  Thanks for making this easy.  With a little careful planning, everything is 
working again. 

Sue



From: Alan T Litchfield [mailto:a...@alphabyte.co.nz]
Sent: Tue 7/14/2009 3:04 PM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: NT: Updating the path



Sue,

On 15/07/2009, at 6:49 AM, Susan Curtzwiler wrote:

> I need to move a folder of images and a FMKR file to the same 
> location as the rest of my book.
>
> Could someone pleas point me in the right direction for some self 
> study of how to do this and not risk loosing my current path to the 
> rest of the book file, which is almost done?  I can't loose anything 
> already in place.
>

I assume you have used images in the folder, and that the file you are 
adding to the book also uses images from the same folder. Moving their 
location is not very problematic, just put the folders where you want 
them to be and when you open one of the files with links to the moved 
images folder FM will complain that it can't find images. In the 
dialog that opens, navigate to the new folder location and when you 
select it, all image links will be updated at once for that file.

Alan


--
Alan T Litchfield
AlphaByte
PO Box 141, Auckland, 1140
New Zealand
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz <http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/> 

NT: Updating the path

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All
   Using FMKR 7.0 on Vista Enterprise with only Acrobat Distiller 5.0
 
I will study this on my own first, but I can't find the references 
 
I need to move a folder of images and a FMKR file to the same location as the 
rest of my book. 
 
Could someone pleas point me in the right direction for some self study of how 
to do this and not risk loosing my current path to the rest of the book file, 
which is almost done?  I can't loose anything already in place.
 
Thanks,
Sue 
susa...@vmc.com
 
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

NT: Updating the path

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All
   Using FMKR 7.0 on Vista Enterprise with only Acrobat Distiller 5.0

I will study this on my own first, but I can't find the references 

I need to move a folder of images and a FMKR file to the same location as the 
rest of my book. 

Could someone pleas point me in the right direction for some self study of how 
to do this and not risk loosing my current path to the rest of the book file, 
which is almost done?  I can't loose anything already in place.

Thanks,
Sue 
susancu at vmc.com

RE: colors in tables

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi Rick 
 Reminder:  FM 7.0 on Vista Enterprise.   Acrobat Distiller 5.0.
 
Thank you for these instructions, changing the colors of the rows worked great! 
However, I need to keep the left column solid, a darker shade of the rows. 
 
Thanks,
Sue 



From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com]
Sent: Mon 7/6/2009 8:24 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler; fram...@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: colors in tables



Hi Sue,

The table was probably imported into FrameMaker from Word and so the
alternating shading are considered overrides to the default table shading.
Here is how to fix it:

1) Select the entire table.
2) Choose Table > Custom Ruling and Shading
3) Uncheck the Custom Cell Ruling checkbox and check the Custom Cell Shading
checkbox.
4) Choose From Table under both Fill and Color popup menus.
5) Click the Apply button.

This will remove the overrides from the table. Now you can set the
alternating shading in the Table Designer and it should work as you add and
delete rows. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank
you very much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-659-8267


Hi All,
   Using FMKR 7.0,  Acrobat Distiller 5.0,  on Vista Enterprise on HP
(Compaq) laptop.
  I do not have the full Acrobat 5.0 program, on this system.  But, I could
take the FMKR file to my own pc and use Acrobat 5.0 and then bring it back
to this laptop.

Question:

 I have a large (17pgs) table for my glossary.

The rows are alternating colors - light and medium shade of the same color.
However, the header top row and the left column - are a solid color.

Now, we are adding and deleting some of these glossary entries.

Is there a way to have the alternate row colors update automatically?
I have already gone into the Table Designer and I am working with the shade
settings, but not much luck yet.

I inherited this table - I think the alternate coloring was done with copy /
paste.

Thanks,
Sue
___





___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

colors in tables

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi Rick 
 Reminder:  FM 7.0 on Vista Enterprise.   Acrobat Distiller 5.0.

Thank you for these instructions, changing the colors of the rows worked great! 
However, I need to keep the left column solid, a darker shade of the rows. 

Thanks,
Sue 



From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com]
Sent: Mon 7/6/2009 8:24 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler; framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: colors in tables



Hi Sue,

The table was probably imported into FrameMaker from Word and so the
alternating shading are considered overrides to the default table shading.
Here is how to fix it:

1) Select the entire table.
2) Choose Table > Custom Ruling and Shading
3) Uncheck the Custom Cell Ruling checkbox and check the Custom Cell Shading
checkbox.
4) Choose From Table under both Fill and Color popup menus.
5) Click the Apply button.

This will remove the overrides from the table. Now you can set the
alternating shading in the Table Designer and it should work as you add and
delete rows. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank
you very much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
rick at frameexpert.com
585-659-8267


Hi All,
   Using FMKR 7.0,  Acrobat Distiller 5.0,  on Vista Enterprise on HP
(Compaq) laptop.
  I do not have the full Acrobat 5.0 program, on this system.  But, I could
take the FMKR file to my own pc and use Acrobat 5.0 and then bring it back
to this laptop.

Question:

 I have a large (17pgs) table for my glossary.

The rows are alternating colors - light and medium shade of the same color.
However, the header top row and the left column - are a solid color.

Now, we are adding and deleting some of these glossary entries.

Is there a way to have the alternate row colors update automatically?
I have already gone into the Table Designer and I am working with the shade
settings, but not much luck yet.

I inherited this table - I think the alternate coloring was done with copy /
paste.

Thanks,
Sue
___

colors in tables

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 
   Using FMKR 7.0,  Acrobat Distiller 5.0,  on Vista Enterprise on HP (Compaq) 
laptop.
  I do not have the full Acrobat 5.0 program, on this system.  But, I could 
take the FMKR file to my own pc and use Acrobat 5.0 and then bring it back to 
this laptop. 
 
Question: 
 
 I have a large (17pgs) table for my glossary. 
 
The rows are alternating colors - light and medium shade of the same color. 
However, the header top row and the left column - are a solid color. 
 
Now, we are adding and deleting some of these glossary entries.
 
Is there a way to have the alternate row colors update automatically?
I have already gone into the Table Designer and I am working with the shade 
settings, but not much luck yet. 
 
I inherited this table - I think the alternate coloring was done with copy / 
paste. 
 
Thanks, 
Sue 
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

colors in tables

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 
   Using FMKR 7.0,  Acrobat Distiller 5.0,  on Vista Enterprise on HP (Compaq) 
laptop.
  I do not have the full Acrobat 5.0 program, on this system.  But, I could 
take the FMKR file to my own pc and use Acrobat 5.0 and then bring it back to 
this laptop. 

Question: 

 I have a large (17pgs) table for my glossary. 

The rows are alternating colors - light and medium shade of the same color. 
However, the header top row and the left column - are a solid color. 

Now, we are adding and deleting some of these glossary entries.

Is there a way to have the alternate row colors update automatically?
I have already gone into the Table Designer and I am working with the shade 
settings, but not much luck yet. 

I inherited this table - I think the alternate coloring was done with copy / 
paste. 

Thanks, 
Sue 

RE: New Topic 2: PDF will not open at beginning

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Unfortunately, I do not have the full Acrobat, only the distiller and Frame 
7.0. 
 
Thanks,
Sue 



From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Wed 6/17/2009 10:00 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: Susan Curtzwiler
Subject: Re: New Topic 2: PDF will not open at beginning




Susan:

Do you have Adobe Acrobat? You can renumber the pages there, including giving 
the cover the "number" Cover. Then you can reset the "open to page" option to 
Cover.

If you need me to elaborate, let me know.

Nadine

--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Susan Curtzwiler  wrote:

> From: Susan Curtzwiler 
> Subject: New Topic 2:  PDF will not open at beginning
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Cc: "Susan Curtzwiler" 
> Received: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 12:23 PM
> Hi All,
>
>  Using FM 7.0, Acrobat Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise on
> Compaq laptop.
> -
> 
> In the pdf setup, I have marked the file to open on pg
> 1.   However, the file is now opening at the
> end of the book.
> 
> Can I make the file open on the Title Page, which has no
> page number? 
> 
> The title page is in the book window as a separate file --
> would it help if I attached the title page to the front
> matter?
> 
> What settings do I need ?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Sue Curtzwiler
> susa...@vmc.com
> 
> ___
>
>
> You are currently subscribed to Framers as generic...@yahoo.ca.
>
> Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.
>
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
> or visit 
> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca
>
> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com.
> Visit
> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and
> info.
>
>


___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

New Topic 2: PDF will not open at beginning

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Unfortunately, I do not have the full Acrobat, only the distiller and Frame 
7.0. 

Thanks,
Sue 



From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Wed 6/17/2009 10:00 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: Susan Curtzwiler
Subject: Re: New Topic 2: PDF will not open at beginning




Susan:

Do you have Adobe Acrobat? You can renumber the pages there, including giving 
the cover the "number" Cover. Then you can reset the "open to page" option to 
Cover.

If you need me to elaborate, let me know.

Nadine

--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Susan Curtzwiler  wrote:

> From: Susan Curtzwiler 
> Subject: New Topic 2:  PDF will not open at beginning
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Cc: "Susan Curtzwiler" 
> Received: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 12:23 PM
> Hi All,
>
>  Using FM 7.0, Acrobat Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise on
> Compaq laptop.
> -
> 
> In the pdf setup, I have marked the file to open on pg
> 1.   However, the file is now opening at the
> end of the book.
> 
> Can I make the file open on the Title Page, which has no
> page number? 
> 
> The title page is in the book window as a separate file --
> would it help if I attached the title page to the front
> matter?
> 
> What settings do I need ?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Sue Curtzwiler
> susancu at vmc.com
> 
> ___
>
>
> You are currently subscribed to Framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca.
>
> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.
>
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
> or visit 
> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca
>
> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com.
> Visit
> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and
> info.
>
>

Solved RE: New Topic 1 _ Title out of aliignment

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All,
This issue has been solved.   The alignment = Left and so on were okay.  I 
went to another file that used the same header style, to see all the settings, 
clicked on Update all.  Then used the correct file as a base and imported 
formats into the problem file -- title now is aligned correctly. 
 
Thank You.
Sue 


From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wed 6/17/2009 9:03 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: New Topic 1 _ Title out of alignment



On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Susan Curtzwiler wrote:
> Hi All,
>   Using FM 7.0, Acrobat Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise
>
>   Please see attachment, why is this title not on the left margin?
>
>   I have continued to look for spacing or other marks, but I can't find 
> anything.
>
>  Any comments?
>
> Thanks,
>  Sue

FYI, the list software strips attachments.

Off the top of my head, I'd check the Paragraph Tag and make sure the
following is true:

* Alignment -- Left
* First -- 0"
* Left -- 0"

You may also want to check the Master page and see if you have Sideheads set up.

Hope that helps.

--
Lin Sims


___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Solved RE: New Topic 1 _ Title out of aliignment

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All,
This issue has been solved.   The alignment = Left and so on were okay.  I 
went to another file that used the same header style, to see all the settings, 
clicked on Update all.  Then used the correct file as a base and imported 
formats into the problem file -- title now is aligned correctly. 

Thank You.
Sue 


From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wed 6/17/2009 9:03 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: New Topic 1 _ Title out of alignment



On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Susan Curtzwiler wrote:
> Hi All,
>   Using FM 7.0, Acrobat Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise
>
>   Please see attachment, why is this title not on the left margin?
>
>   I have continued to look for spacing or other marks, but I can't find 
> anything.
>
>  Any comments?
>
> Thanks,
>  Sue

FYI, the list software strips attachments.

Off the top of my head, I'd check the Paragraph Tag and make sure the
following is true:

* Alignment -- Left
* First -- 0"
* Left -- 0"

You may also want to check the Master page and see if you have Sideheads set up.

Hope that helps.

--
Lin Sims

New Topic 2: PDF will not open at beginning

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 
   
 Using FM 7.0, Acrobat Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise on Compaq laptop. 
-
 
In the pdf setup, I have marked the file to open on pg 1.   However, the file 
is now opening at the end of the book. 
 
Can I make the file open on the Title Page, which has no page number?  
 
The title page is in the book window as a separate file -- would it help if I 
attached the title page to the front matter? 
 
What settings do I need ? 
 
 
Thanks,
Sue Curtzwiler
susa...@vmc.com
 
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

New Topic 2: PDF will not open at beginning

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 

 Using FM 7.0, Acrobat Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise on Compaq laptop. 
-

In the pdf setup, I have marked the file to open on pg 1.   However, the file 
is now opening at the end of the book. 

Can I make the file open on the Title Page, which has no page number?  

The title page is in the book window as a separate file -- would it help if I 
attached the title page to the front matter? 

What settings do I need ? 


Thanks,
Sue Curtzwiler
susancu at vmc.com

RE: New Topic 1 _ Title out of aliignment

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Art, 
  Sorry that I added the attachment.I wasn't aware this was a problem.  I 
will refrain from using attachments in the future. 
 
Thanks for the heads up on this.  (:- 
 
Sue 
 



From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wed 6/17/2009 9:01 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: New Topic 1 _ Title out of aliignment



Most list servers do not allow the inclusion of attachments because
many readers don't appreciate receiving mystery files...

So you may want to post it on a site somewhere if you want others to see it.

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Susan Curtzwiler wrote:
> Hi All,
>   Using FM 7.0, Acrobat Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise
>
>   Please see attachment, why is this title not on the left margin?
>
>   I have continued to look for spacing or other marks, but I can't find 
> anything.
>
>  Any comments?
>
> Thanks,
>  Sue
>
> ___
>
>
> You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com.
>
> Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.
>
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
> or visit 
> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com
>
> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
>
>


___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

New Topic 1 _ Title out of aliignment

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Art, 
  Sorry that I added the attachment.I wasn't aware this was a problem.  I 
will refrain from using attachments in the future. 

Thanks for the heads up on this.  (:- 

Sue 




From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wed 6/17/2009 9:01 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: New Topic 1 _ Title out of aliignment



Most list servers do not allow the inclusion of attachments because
many readers don't appreciate receiving mystery files...

So you may want to post it on a site somewhere if you want others to see it.

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Susan Curtzwiler wrote:
> Hi All,
>   Using FM 7.0, Acrobat Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise
>
>   Please see attachment, why is this title not on the left margin?
>
>   I have continued to look for spacing or other marks, but I can't find 
> anything.
>
>  Any comments?
>
> Thanks,
>  Sue
>
> ___
>
>
> You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com.
>
> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.
>
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
> or visit 
> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com
>
> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit
> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
>
>

RE: New Topic 1 _ Title out of aliignment

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Lin,   Thanks, I will check those areas. 
 
Sue



From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wed 6/17/2009 9:03 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: New Topic 1 _ Title out of aliignment



On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Susan Curtzwiler wrote:
> Hi All,
>   Using FM 7.0, Acrobat Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise
>
>   Please see attachment, why is this title not on the left margin?
>
>   I have continued to look for spacing or other marks, but I can't find 
> anything.
>
>  Any comments?
>
> Thanks,
>  Sue

FYI, the list software strips attachments.

Off the top of my head, I'd check the Paragraph Tag and make sure the
following is true:

* Alignment -- Left
* First -- 0"
* Left -- 0"

You may also want to check the Master page and see if you have Sideheads set up.

Hope that helps.

--
Lin Sims


___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

New Topic 1 _ Title out of aliignment

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Lin,   Thanks, I will check those areas. 

Sue



From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wed 6/17/2009 9:03 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: New Topic 1 _ Title out of aliignment



On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Susan Curtzwiler wrote:
> Hi All,
>   Using FM 7.0, Acrobat Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise
>
>   Please see attachment, why is this title not on the left margin?
>
>   I have continued to look for spacing or other marks, but I can't find 
> anything.
>
>  Any comments?
>
> Thanks,
>  Sue

FYI, the list software strips attachments.

Off the top of my head, I'd check the Paragraph Tag and make sure the
following is true:

* Alignment -- Left
* First -- 0"
* Left -- 0"

You may also want to check the Master page and see if you have Sideheads set up.

Hope that helps.

--
Lin Sims

New Topic 1 _ Title out of aliignment

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All,
   Using FM 7.0, Acrobat Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise
 
   Please see attachment, why is this title not on the left margin?  
  
   I have continued to look for spacing or other marks, but I can't find 
anything. 
 
  Any comments? 
 
Thanks,
 Sue 
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

New Topic 1 _ Title out of aliignment

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All,
   Using FM 7.0, Acrobat Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise

   Please see attachment, why is this title not on the left margin?  

   I have continued to look for spacing or other marks, but I can't find 
anything. 

  Any comments? 

Thanks,
 Sue 

RE: New Topic: Sort by number

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 
 
Thanks again for your help.
Frame 7 on Vista Enterprise
 
Yes, I did take a small sample and used the table in Frame to sort by columns, 
that looks okay, but will this retain the links like a regular TOC, can I make 
this a generated list and remove  the table borders? 
 
The titles of the Work Instructions do have a paragraph tag and currently 
presented as shown below on the first page of the Work Instruction.  This 
generates fine as a Table of Contents. 
 
Current Set Up:   (only in the order as presented in each chapter, no alpha or 
numeric order)
Gone With the Wind (023)
StarTrek (012) 
The L.A. Story (063)
 
Want to be Set Up: (a new generated list to put all 60+ titles in numeric 
order)I have the alpha order to work with, I can move the WI number to the 
front of the title, just need to make it with links.   I can place them in a 
table and do the sort by column -- then what? 
 
012 StarTrek
023 Gone With the Wind
063 The L.A. Story

This new arrangement would provide the users (floor technicians and trainers) a 
faster way to locate the Work Instruction in the Runbook.  With a generated 
list, then in the PDF file, they can point and click, just like in the TOC.  
 
Finally, I want to name this list as a Quick Index and place it at the end of 
the book.  Can I do that as an appendix, or leave it as a generated file and 
simply move it to the end of the book file? 
 
Thanks, 
Sue 



From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wed 5/27/2009 6:10 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: New Topic: Sort by number



Assuming the "work instructions" are controlled by a unique paragraph
tag, that would be the default order if you generate a TOC for the
book or file and only specify that type of tag. The links are
generated automatically when you generate a PDF for the book if you
activate the Acrobat functions from the Print dialog box.

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Susan Curtzwiler  wrote:
> HI ALL,
>
> Using FMKR 7.0, Acrobat Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise on HP laptop.
>
> Thanks so much for all your help with the alpha sort last week. Now, the team 
> wants me to sort by number.
>
> For example:  023 StarTrek, 012 Gone With the Wind, 063 The L.A. Story.
> We want to have the names of the Work Instructions listed by their 
> corresponding number, like this:
>
> 012 StarTrek
> 023 Gone With the Wind
> 063 The L.A. Story
>
> So far what I have done is to copy a small test section of my alpha file to 
> Word, sort by number and then take it back to FrameMaker.  However, then, I 
> don't have the hyperlink to the FM file anymore.
>
> Any suggestions to get the same results as the alpha sort -- only need to 
> point and click in the final PDF to access the desired file?
>
> Thanks,
> Sue Curtzwiler
> susa...@vmc.com
>


___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

New Topic: Sort by number

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 

Thanks again for your help.
Frame 7 on Vista Enterprise

Yes, I did take a small sample and used the table in Frame to sort by columns, 
that looks okay, but will this retain the links like a regular TOC, can I make 
this a generated list and remove  the table borders? 

The titles of the Work Instructions do have a paragraph tag and currently 
presented as shown below on the first page of the Work Instruction.  This 
generates fine as a Table of Contents. 

Current Set Up:   (only in the order as presented in each chapter, no alpha or 
numeric order)
Gone With the Wind (023)
StarTrek (012) 
The L.A. Story (063)

Want to be Set Up: (a new generated list to put all 60+ titles in numeric 
order)I have the alpha order to work with, I can move the WI number to the 
front of the title, just need to make it with links.   I can place them in a 
table and do the sort by column -- then what? 

012 StarTrek
023 Gone With the Wind
063 The L.A. Story

This new arrangement would provide the users (floor technicians and trainers) a 
faster way to locate the Work Instruction in the Runbook.  With a generated 
list, then in the PDF file, they can point and click, just like in the TOC.  

Finally, I want to name this list as a Quick Index and place it at the end of 
the book.  Can I do that as an appendix, or leave it as a generated file and 
simply move it to the end of the book file? 

Thanks, 
Sue 



From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wed 5/27/2009 6:10 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: New Topic: Sort by number



Assuming the "work instructions" are controlled by a unique paragraph
tag, that would be the default order if you generate a TOC for the
book or file and only specify that type of tag. The links are
generated automatically when you generate a PDF for the book if you
activate the Acrobat functions from the Print dialog box.

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Susan Curtzwiler  wrote:
> HI ALL,
>
> Using FMKR 7.0, Acrobat Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise on HP laptop.
>
> Thanks so much for all your help with the alpha sort last week. Now, the team 
> wants me to sort by number.
>
> For example:  023 StarTrek, 012 Gone With the Wind, 063 The L.A. Story.
> We want to have the names of the Work Instructions listed by their 
> corresponding number, like this:
>
> 012 StarTrek
> 023 Gone With the Wind
> 063 The L.A. Story
>
> So far what I have done is to copy a small test section of my alpha file to 
> Word, sort by number and then take it back to FrameMaker.  However, then, I 
> don't have the hyperlink to the FM file anymore.
>
> Any suggestions to get the same results as the alpha sort -- only need to 
> point and click in the final PDF to access the desired file?
>
> Thanks,
> Sue Curtzwiler
> susancu at vmc.com
>

New Topic: Sort by number

[Susan Curtzwiler]

HI ALL, 
 
Using FMKR 7.0, Acrobat Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise on HP laptop. 
 
Thanks so much for all your help with the alpha sort last week. Now, the team 
wants me to sort by number. 
 
For example:  023 StarTrek, 012 Gone With the Wind, 063 The L.A. Story. 
We want to have the names of the Work Instructions listed by their 
corresponding number, like this: 
 
012 StarTrek
023 Gone With the Wind
063 The L.A. Story
 
So far what I have done is to copy a small test section of my alpha file to 
Word, sort by number and then take it back to FrameMaker.  However, then, I 
don't have the hyperlink to the FM file anymore. 
 
Any suggestions to get the same results as the alpha sort -- only need to point 
and click in the final PDF to access the desired file? 
 
Thanks, 
Sue Curtzwiler
susa...@vmc.com



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wed 5/20/2009 11:49 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Setting the structure of the alphabatized list


The topic "Working with group titles in indexes" in the FrameMaker User Guide 
(accessible from the FrameMaker Help menu) should answer most of your 
questions. 

-Fred Ridder
 
> Subject: Setting the structure of the alphabatized list
> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:47:43 -0700
> From: susa...@vmc.com
> To: richard.co...@polycom.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> CC: susa...@vmc.com
> 
> Hi All,
> Thank you all for your help with the alpha sort. Now, I have an alphabetized 
> list of my Work Instructions (WI) in an appendix, that's great. 
> However, how do I make a separation with A, B, C and so on to break up this 
> long list and make it a bit more user friendly? 
> I have entered A, B, C with and without tags, but when I generate the book, 
> it naturally sorts these letters and they all jump to the top of the page. I 
> realize that's because that would be the alphabetical order - so what is the 
> magic key to make these introductory letters stay in place? Does it have 
> anything to do with using the ignore symbols function? However, these are not 
> "symbols" but the introductory letters to a new section that I want to hold 
> in place. 
> 
> A
> Add a File
> 
> B
> Build a Book
> 
> C
> Complete the Manual 
> 
> It turns out like this:
> A
> B
> C
> 
> Add a File
> Build a Book
> Complete the Manual
> 
> 
> Thanks again for your help
> Sue 
> 
> 
> 
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Combs, Richard
> Sent: Tue 5/19/2009 3:34 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Lists of figures and tables in alpha order (was FW: Exporting 
> thepaths of graphics used)
> 
> 
> 
> You'd think that after gently chiding Susan for having "changed the
> subject completely," I'd remember to change the subject line of my
> reply, wouldn't you? Sorry! Here it is for the archives.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs,
> Richard
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:10 PM
> To: Susan Curtzwiler; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Exporting the paths of graphics used
> 
> Susan Curtzwiler wrote:
> 
> > I followed the directions below and all I got was a blank FMKR page.
> 
> Then the FM file or book for which you generated the list or index
> doesn't contain any graphics imported by reference. FM doesn't know the
> file path and name of graphics copied into the document (there's no
> point). 
> 
> > Then I went to just make a list of figures as a stand alone file, not
> part
> > of the book file.
> 
> Do you mean that within a single FM file, not a book, you selected
> Special > List of > Figures? OK, then in the Set Up List of Figures
> dialog, you had to select the paragraphs to include (your figure
> captions).
> 
> But now you've changed the subject completely. Lists of figures, tables,
> etc., are lists of paragraphs in FM. That's very different from a list
> of imported graphics, fonts, text insets, or other references.
> 
> > That worked great, I got the list.
> > 1. Now, how do I alphabatize them.
> 
> Select Special > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) -- or for a book,
> Add > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) -- and select the paragraphs
> to include.
> 
> > 2. Isn't there a simple sort feature like Word? Seems like then I
> could
> > make the sorted list as a template and work thru the entire book.
> 
> I don't understand.
> 
> > 3. Is their an easier way to work within the complete book fil

New Topic: Sort by number

[Susan Curtzwiler]

HI ALL, 

Using FMKR 7.0, Acrobat Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise on HP laptop. 

Thanks so much for all your help with the alpha sort last week. Now, the team 
wants me to sort by number. 

For example:  023 StarTrek, 012 Gone With the Wind, 063 The L.A. Story. 
We want to have the names of the Work Instructions listed by their 
corresponding number, like this: 

012 StarTrek
023 Gone With the Wind
063 The L.A. Story

So far what I have done is to copy a small test section of my alpha file to 
Word, sort by number and then take it back to FrameMaker.  However, then, I 
don't have the hyperlink to the FM file anymore. 

Any suggestions to get the same results as the alpha sort -- only need to point 
and click in the final PDF to access the desired file? 

Thanks, 
Sue Curtzwiler
susancu at vmc.com



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wed 5/20/2009 11:49 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Setting the structure of the alphabatized list


The topic "Working with group titles in indexes" in the FrameMaker User Guide 
(accessible from the FrameMaker Help menu) should answer most of your 
questions. 

-Fred Ridder

> Subject: Setting the structure of the alphabatized list
> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:47:43 -0700
> From: SusanCu at vmc.com
> To: richard.combs at Polycom.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> CC: SusanCu at vmc.com
> 
> Hi All,
> Thank you all for your help with the alpha sort. Now, I have an alphabetized 
> list of my Work Instructions (WI) in an appendix, that's great. 
> However, how do I make a separation with A, B, C and so on to break up this 
> long list and make it a bit more user friendly? 
> I have entered A, B, C with and without tags, but when I generate the book, 
> it naturally sorts these letters and they all jump to the top of the page. I 
> realize that's because that would be the alphabetical order - so what is the 
> magic key to make these introductory letters stay in place? Does it have 
> anything to do with using the ignore symbols function? However, these are not 
> "symbols" but the introductory letters to a new section that I want to hold 
> in place. 
> 
> A
> Add a File
> 
> B
> Build a Book
> 
> C
> Complete the Manual 
> 
> It turns out like this:
> A
> B
> C
> 
> Add a File
> Build a Book
> Complete the Manual
> 
> 
> Thanks again for your help
> Sue 
> 
> 
> 
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Combs, Richard
> Sent: Tue 5/19/2009 3:34 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Lists of figures and tables in alpha order (was FW: Exporting 
> thepaths of graphics used)
> 
> 
> 
> You'd think that after gently chiding Susan for having "changed the
> subject completely," I'd remember to change the subject line of my
> reply, wouldn't you? Sorry! Here it is for the archives.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs,
> Richard
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:10 PM
> To: Susan Curtzwiler; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Exporting the paths of graphics used
> 
> Susan Curtzwiler wrote:
> 
> > I followed the directions below and all I got was a blank FMKR page.
> 
> Then the FM file or book for which you generated the list or index
> doesn't contain any graphics imported by reference. FM doesn't know the
> file path and name of graphics copied into the document (there's no
> point). 
> 
> > Then I went to just make a list of figures as a stand alone file, not
> part
> > of the book file.
> 
> Do you mean that within a single FM file, not a book, you selected
> Special > List of > Figures? OK, then in the Set Up List of Figures
> dialog, you had to select the paragraphs to include (your figure
> captions).
> 
> But now you've changed the subject completely. Lists of figures, tables,
> etc., are lists of paragraphs in FM. That's very different from a list
> of imported graphics, fonts, text insets, or other references.
> 
> > That worked great, I got the list.
> > 1. Now, how do I alphabatize them.
> 
> Select Special > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) -- or for a book,
> Add > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) -- and select the paragraphs
> to include.
> 
> > 2. Isn't there a simple sort feature like Word? Seems like then I
> could
> > make the sorted list as a template and work thru the entire book.
> 
> I don't understand.
> 
> > 3. Is their an easier way to work w

Setting the structure of the alphabatized list

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All,
  Thank you all for your help with the alpha sort.  Now, I have an alphabetized 
list of my Work Instructions (WI) in an appendix, that's great. 
However, how do I make a separation with A, B, C and so on to break up this 
long list and make it a bit more user friendly? 
I have entered A, B, C with and without tags, but when I generate the book, it 
naturally sorts these letters and they all jump to the top of the page.  I 
realize that's because that would be the alphabetical order - so what is the 
magic key to make these introductory letters stay in place?   Does it have 
anything to do with using the ignore symbols function?  However, these are not 
"symbols"  but the introductory letters to a new section that I want to hold in 
place. 

A
Add a File

B
Build a Book
 
C
Complete the Manual  
 
It turns out like this:
A
B
C
 
Add a File
Build a Book
Complete the Manual
 

Thanks again for your help
Sue 



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Combs, Richard
Sent: Tue 5/19/2009 3:34 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Lists of figures and tables in alpha order (was FW: Exporting thepaths 
of graphics used)



You'd think that after gently chiding Susan for having "changed the
subject completely," I'd remember to change the subject line of my
reply, wouldn't you? Sorry! Here it is for the archives.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs,
Richard
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:10 PM
To: Susan Curtzwiler; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Exporting the paths of graphics used

Susan Curtzwiler wrote:

> I followed the directions below and all I got was a blank FMKR page.

Then the FM file or book for which you generated the list or index
doesn't contain any graphics imported by reference. FM doesn't know the
file path and name of graphics copied into the document (there's no
point). 

> Then I went to just make a list of figures as a stand alone file, not
part
> of the book file.

Do you mean that within a single FM file, not a book, you selected
Special > List of > Figures? OK, then in the Set Up List of Figures
dialog, you had to select the paragraphs to include (your figure
captions).

But now you've changed the subject completely. Lists of figures, tables,
etc., are lists of paragraphs in FM. That's very different from a list
of imported graphics, fonts, text insets, or other references.

> That worked great, I got the list.
> 1. Now, how do I alphabatize them.

Select Special > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) -- or for a book,
Add > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) -- and select the paragraphs
to include.

> 2. Isn't there a simple sort feature like Word?  Seems like then I
could
> make the sorted list as a template and work thru the entire book.

I don't understand.

> 3.  Is their an easier way to work within the complete book file to
get a
> full list of figures at one time?

What is it that you can't do with (from the book window) Add > List of >
Figures or Add > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical)?

> 4.  Also, make a list of tables.

What is it that you can't do with (from the book window) Add > List of >
Tables or Add > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical)?

> I want to use this same technique to make a list of the titles from my
TOC,
> and arrange them  either by WI number or alpha to create a quick
hyperlink
> file for users easy reference.

I don't understand. But again, List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) will
give you alpha lists of whatever paragraph format(s) you want (like
Head1, Head2, ...).

I don't know what a WI number is, but maybe if you spend some quality
time with the generated lists topics in the help or user manual, you can
figure out how to do something with that, too. FM's generated lists
functionality is pretty robust and versatile.

HTH!
Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--





___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as richard.co...@polycom.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/richard.combs%40poly
com.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as susa...@vmc.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit h

Setting the structure of the alphabatized list

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All,
  Thank you all for your help with the alpha sort.  Now, I have an alphabetized 
list of my Work Instructions (WI) in an appendix, that's great. 
However, how do I make a separation with A, B, C and so on to break up this 
long list and make it a bit more user friendly? 
I have entered A, B, C with and without tags, but when I generate the book, it 
naturally sorts these letters and they all jump to the top of the page.  I 
realize that's because that would be the alphabetical order - so what is the 
magic key to make these introductory letters stay in place?   Does it have 
anything to do with using the ignore symbols function?  However, these are not 
"symbols"  but the introductory letters to a new section that I want to hold in 
place. 

A
Add a File

B
Build a Book

C
Complete the Manual  

It turns out like this:
A
B
C

Add a File
Build a Book
Complete the Manual


Thanks again for your help
Sue 



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Combs, Richard
Sent: Tue 5/19/2009 3:34 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Lists of figures and tables in alpha order (was FW: Exporting thepaths 
of graphics used)



You'd think that after gently chiding Susan for having "changed the
subject completely," I'd remember to change the subject line of my
reply, wouldn't you? Sorry! Here it is for the archives.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs,
Richard
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:10 PM
To: Susan Curtzwiler; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Exporting the paths of graphics used

Susan Curtzwiler wrote:

> I followed the directions below and all I got was a blank FMKR page.

Then the FM file or book for which you generated the list or index
doesn't contain any graphics imported by reference. FM doesn't know the
file path and name of graphics copied into the document (there's no
point). 

> Then I went to just make a list of figures as a stand alone file, not
part
> of the book file.

Do you mean that within a single FM file, not a book, you selected
Special > List of > Figures? OK, then in the Set Up List of Figures
dialog, you had to select the paragraphs to include (your figure
captions).

But now you've changed the subject completely. Lists of figures, tables,
etc., are lists of paragraphs in FM. That's very different from a list
of imported graphics, fonts, text insets, or other references.

> That worked great, I got the list.
> 1. Now, how do I alphabatize them.

Select Special > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) -- or for a book,
Add > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) -- and select the paragraphs
to include.

> 2. Isn't there a simple sort feature like Word?  Seems like then I
could
> make the sorted list as a template and work thru the entire book.

I don't understand.

> 3.  Is their an easier way to work within the complete book file to
get a
> full list of figures at one time?

What is it that you can't do with (from the book window) Add > List of >
Figures or Add > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical)?

> 4.  Also, make a list of tables.

What is it that you can't do with (from the book window) Add > List of >
Tables or Add > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical)?

> I want to use this same technique to make a list of the titles from my
TOC,
> and arrange them  either by WI number or alpha to create a quick
hyperlink
> file for users easy reference.

I don't understand. But again, List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) will
give you alpha lists of whatever paragraph format(s) you want (like
Head1, Head2, ...).

I don't know what a WI number is, but maybe if you spend some quality
time with the generated lists topics in the help or user manual, you can
figure out how to do something with that, too. FM's generated lists
functionality is pretty robust and versatile.

HTH!
Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--





___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as richard.combs at polycom.com.

Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
or visit
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/richard.combs%40poly
com.com

Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as susancu at vmc.com.

Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscribe at lists.fram

RE: Exporting the paths of graphics used

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Richard, 
   Thank you for the detailed information.  I will work with them this 
afternoon. 
 
Cheers,
Sue 



From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com]
Sent: Tue 5/19/2009 3:09 PM
To: Susan Curtzwiler; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Exporting the paths of graphics used



Susan Curtzwiler wrote:

> I followed the directions below and all I got was a blank FMKR page.

Then the FM file or book for which you generated the list or index
doesn't contain any graphics imported by reference. FM doesn't know the
file path and name of graphics copied into the document (there's no
point). 

> Then I went to just make a list of figures as a stand alone file, not
part
> of the book file.

Do you mean that within a single FM file, not a book, you selected
Special > List of > Figures? OK, then in the Set Up List of Figures
dialog, you had to select the paragraphs to include (your figure
captions).

But now you've changed the subject completely. Lists of figures, tables,
etc., are lists of paragraphs in FM. That's very different from a list
of imported graphics, fonts, text insets, or other references.

> That worked great, I got the list.
> 1. Now, how do I alphabatize them.

Select Special > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) -- or for a book,
Add > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) -- and select the paragraphs
to include.

> 2. Isn't there a simple sort feature like Word?  Seems like then I
could
> make the sorted list as a template and work thru the entire book.

I don't understand.

> 3.  Is their an easier way to work within the complete book file to
get a
> full list of figures at one time?

What is it that you can't do with (from the book window) Add > List of >
Figures or Add > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical)?

> 4.  Also, make a list of tables.

What is it that you can't do with (from the book window) Add > List of >
Tables or Add > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical)?

> I want to use this same technique to make a list of the titles from my
TOC,
> and arrange them  either by WI number or alpha to create a quick
hyperlink
> file for users easy reference.

I don't understand. But again, List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) will
give you alpha lists of whatever paragraph format(s) you want (like
Head1, Head2, ...).

I don't know what a WI number is, but maybe if you spend some quality
time with the generated lists topics in the help or user manual, you can
figure out how to do something with that, too. FM's generated lists
functionality is pretty robust and versatile.

HTH!
Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--







___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Exporting the paths of graphics used

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Richard, 
   Thank you for the detailed information.  I will work with them this 
afternoon. 

Cheers,
Sue 



From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com]
Sent: Tue 5/19/2009 3:09 PM
To: Susan Curtzwiler; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Exporting the paths of graphics used



Susan Curtzwiler wrote:

> I followed the directions below and all I got was a blank FMKR page.

Then the FM file or book for which you generated the list or index
doesn't contain any graphics imported by reference. FM doesn't know the
file path and name of graphics copied into the document (there's no
point). 

> Then I went to just make a list of figures as a stand alone file, not
part
> of the book file.

Do you mean that within a single FM file, not a book, you selected
Special > List of > Figures? OK, then in the Set Up List of Figures
dialog, you had to select the paragraphs to include (your figure
captions).

But now you've changed the subject completely. Lists of figures, tables,
etc., are lists of paragraphs in FM. That's very different from a list
of imported graphics, fonts, text insets, or other references.

> That worked great, I got the list.
> 1. Now, how do I alphabatize them.

Select Special > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) -- or for a book,
Add > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) -- and select the paragraphs
to include.

> 2. Isn't there a simple sort feature like Word?  Seems like then I
could
> make the sorted list as a template and work thru the entire book.

I don't understand.

> 3.  Is their an easier way to work within the complete book file to
get a
> full list of figures at one time?

What is it that you can't do with (from the book window) Add > List of >
Figures or Add > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical)?

> 4.  Also, make a list of tables.

What is it that you can't do with (from the book window) Add > List of >
Tables or Add > List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical)?

> I want to use this same technique to make a list of the titles from my
TOC,
> and arrange them  either by WI number or alpha to create a quick
hyperlink
> file for users easy reference.

I don't understand. But again, List of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) will
give you alpha lists of whatever paragraph format(s) you want (like
Head1, Head2, ...).

I don't know what a WI number is, but maybe if you spend some quality
time with the generated lists topics in the help or user manual, you can
figure out how to do something with that, too. FM's generated lists
functionality is pretty robust and versatile.

HTH!
Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

RE: Exporting the paths of graphics used

[Susan Curtzwiler]

 
Hi, 
I'd like to join this email about making a list of figures in alpha order. 
 
I followed the directions below and all I got was a blank FMKR page.
Then I went to just make a list of figures as a stand alone file, not part of 
the book file.
That worked great, I got the list.  
1. Now, how do I alphabatize them.  
2. Isn't there a simple sort feature like Word?  Seems like then I could make 
the sorted list as a template and work thru the entire book. 
3.  Is their an easier way to work within the complete book file to get a full 
list of figures at one time? 
4.  Also, make a list of tables. 
 
I want to use this same technique to make a list of the titles from my TOC, and 
arrange them  either by WI number or alpha to create a quick hyperlink file for 
users easy reference. 
 
Using FM7.0, Adobe Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise. 
 
Thnaks,
Sue 


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Jeremy H. Griffith
Sent: Sun 5/17/2009 6:20 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Chinell, David F (GE EntSol, Security)
Subject: Re: Exporting the paths of graphics used



On Tue, 12 May 2009 12:23:20 -0400, "Chinell, David F
(GE EntSol, Security)"  wrote:

>Is there any way to create a list of the graphics used in a FM file,
>including the path name of the file?

Sure.  From the Special menu, generate a List of -> References (or
an Index of -> References, if you prefer them alphabetical), and
select Imported Graphics as what to include.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as susa...@vmc.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/susancu%40vmc.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.


___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Exporting the paths of graphics used

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi, 
I'd like to join this email about making a list of figures in alpha order. 

I followed the directions below and all I got was a blank FMKR page.
Then I went to just make a list of figures as a stand alone file, not part of 
the book file.
That worked great, I got the list.  
1. Now, how do I alphabatize them.  
2. Isn't there a simple sort feature like Word?  Seems like then I could make 
the sorted list as a template and work thru the entire book. 
3.  Is their an easier way to work within the complete book file to get a full 
list of figures at one time? 
4.  Also, make a list of tables. 

I want to use this same technique to make a list of the titles from my TOC, and 
arrange them  either by WI number or alpha to create a quick hyperlink file for 
users easy reference. 

Using FM7.0, Adobe Distiller 5.0, Vista Enterprise. 

Thnaks,
Sue 


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Jeremy H. Griffith
Sent: Sun 5/17/2009 6:20 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Chinell, David F (GE EntSol, Security)
Subject: Re: Exporting the paths of graphics used



On Tue, 12 May 2009 12:23:20 -0400, "Chinell, David F
(GE EntSol, Security)"  wrote:

>Is there any way to create a list of the graphics used in a FM file,
>including the path name of the file?

Sure.  From the Special menu, generate a List of -> References (or
an Index of -> References, if you prefer them alphabetical), and
select Imported Graphics as what to include.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as susancu at vmc.com.

Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/susancu%40vmc.com

Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

RE: Screen captures and sizing

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All,
   I forgot to mention, that I am using FrameMaker 7.0, Adobe Distiller 5.0, 
and SnagIt 9 on Vista Enterprise. 
 
I also use the distiller to create the PDF, not Save As a PDF. 
Remember, even if your Frame image looks a little 'out of focus' they are 
always better in PDF.  You might want to run a quick PDF just so you can see 
they will be okay, if you are having problems with a few 'difficult' images. 
 
Sue 

____

From: Susan Curtzwiler
Sent: Mon 5/18/2009 9:45 AM
To: Spectrum Writing ; Framers List
Cc: Susan Curtzwiler
Subject: RE: Screen captures and sizing


Hi All, 
   I just completed a large project - about 240 screen captures - that were 
captured in SnagIt and imported by reference into the FrameMaker files. 
I agree with the last comment, to import at a setting that best accepts the 
size of your image, and as stated, do not use the corner handles to manually 
adjust your images. 
 
I used SnagIt with two options: the region (static images) and the time delayed 
(drop-down menus). 
 
We decided to run test samples, since our screens varied in size. 
 
The decision was to use a range of DPI settings depending on the size of the 
screen capture. 
 
Basically, I  used a DPI range of 72 to 144 from the small (like the error 
message box size) to the very large, (like the capture of a database screen). 
From that point, once I got a good DPI size, if further adjustments were 
needed, I used the FMKR scale tool and adjusted by percentage to maintain the 
smoothing and aspect ratio. 
 
Results: The training staff liked the improved images. 
 
 This process was adapted from info I gathered from this users group, so I hope 
sharing the results helps. 
 
Good Luck, 
Sue 
 
 



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Spectrum Writing 
Sent: Mon 5/18/2009 9:16 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: Screen captures and sizing



All,



I know that there are many graphics gurus on this list and I will be the
first to admit - I am NOT a graphics guru and it is my weakest point. That
said, I have never had any comments from clients until now about what I do
for screen captures, and I wanted either confirmation or some additional
insight on improvements for taking screen captures.



Here is the current comment from a client: Generally, I would like to keep
high quality of screen captures.

Would like to suggest using a tool that can downscale the images with a
smoothing function to keep high quality appearance. (as appear here, this is
just sub-sampling with no smoothing.)



I use SnagIt as my capture tool. I use the region option and capture either
the relevant portion that I need or if required, I take a capture of the
whole screen. I then save the capture as a .png, and use the import file
function to bring the capture into my Framemaker file. Obviously, the
default dpi is set to the fictitious Windows 96 dpi. I change the capture to
150 dpi and import. If this works for size and clarity, then I am done; if
not, I right-click on the picture and adjust the dpi until I get the size
that works for the page layout and what I am trying to show. (After much
reading on this list, and advice from another colleague, I have learned that
what I was initially taught at a long ago gig - to set the dpi to 300 and
then use the manual sizing handles - is NOT the way to go).



Can any of you graphics gurus give me some insight as to what else I should
be doing/changing or if I am doing it the right way - and if you want to
lecture me off list about dpis and stuff, that is fine with me too. I will
gladly take whatever information I can glean so that I can reply
professionally and non-emotionally to this client about why the pictures
are just fine for PDFs.



Thanks so much,



TVB



Tammy Van Boening

Owner/Principal

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com <http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com/>



___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as susa...@vmc.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/susancu%40vmc.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.


___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Screen captures and sizing

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All,
   I forgot to mention, that I am using FrameMaker 7.0, Adobe Distiller 5.0, 
and SnagIt 9 on Vista Enterprise. 

I also use the distiller to create the PDF, not Save As a PDF. 
Remember, even if your Frame image looks a little 'out of focus' they are 
always better in PDF.  You might want to run a quick PDF just so you can see 
they will be okay, if you are having problems with a few 'difficult' images. 

Sue 

____

From: Susan Curtzwiler
Sent: Mon 5/18/2009 9:45 AM
To: Spectrum Writing ; Framers List
Cc: Susan Curtzwiler
Subject: RE: Screen captures and sizing


Hi All, 
   I just completed a large project - about 240 screen captures - that were 
captured in SnagIt and imported by reference into the FrameMaker files. 
I agree with the last comment, to import at a setting that best accepts the 
size of your image, and as stated, do not use the corner handles to manually 
adjust your images. 

I used SnagIt with two options: the region (static images) and the time delayed 
(drop-down menus). 

We decided to run test samples, since our screens varied in size. 

The decision was to use a range of DPI settings depending on the size of the 
screen capture. 

Basically, I  used a DPI range of 72 to 144 from the small (like the error 
message box size) to the very large, (like the capture of a database screen). 
From that point, once I got a good DPI size, if further adjustments were 
needed, I used the FMKR scale tool and adjusted by percentage to maintain the 
smoothing and aspect ratio. 

Results: The training staff liked the improved images. 

 This process was adapted from info I gathered from this users group, so I hope 
sharing the results helps. 

Good Luck, 
Sue 





From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Spectrum Writing 
Sent: Mon 5/18/2009 9:16 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: Screen captures and sizing



All,



I know that there are many graphics gurus on this list and I will be the
first to admit - I am NOT a graphics guru and it is my weakest point. That
said, I have never had any comments from clients until now about what I do
for screen captures, and I wanted either confirmation or some additional
insight on improvements for taking screen captures.



Here is the current comment from a client: Generally, I would like to keep
high quality of screen captures.

Would like to suggest using a tool that can downscale the images with a
smoothing function to keep high quality appearance. (as appear here, this is
just sub-sampling with no smoothing.)



I use SnagIt as my capture tool. I use the region option and capture either
the relevant portion that I need or if required, I take a capture of the
whole screen. I then save the capture as a .png, and use the import file
function to bring the capture into my Framemaker file. Obviously, the
default dpi is set to the fictitious Windows 96 dpi. I change the capture to
150 dpi and import. If this works for size and clarity, then I am done; if
not, I right-click on the picture and adjust the dpi until I get the size
that works for the page layout and what I am trying to show. (After much
reading on this list, and advice from another colleague, I have learned that
what I was initially taught at a long ago gig - to set the dpi to 300 and
then use the manual sizing handles - is NOT the way to go).



Can any of you graphics gurus give me some insight as to what else I should
be doing/changing or if I am doing it the right way - and if you want to
lecture me off list about dpis and stuff, that is fine with me too. I will
gladly take whatever information I can glean so that I can reply
professionally and non-emotionally to this client about why the pictures
are just fine for PDFs.



Thanks so much,



TVB



Tammy Van Boening

Owner/Principal

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com <http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com/>



___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as susancu at vmc.com.

Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/susancu%40vmc.com

Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

RE: Screen captures and sizing

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 
   I just completed a large project - about 240 screen captures - that were 
captured in SnagIt and imported by reference into the FrameMaker files. 
I agree with the last comment, to import at a setting that best accepts the 
size of your image, and as stated, do not use the corner handles to manually 
adjust your images. 
 
I used SnagIt with two options: the region (static images) and the time delayed 
(drop-down menus). 
 
We decided to run test samples, since our screens varied in size. 
 
The decision was to use a range of DPI settings depending on the size of the 
screen capture. 
 
Basically, I  used a DPI range of 72 to 144 from the small (like the error 
message box size) to the very large, (like the capture of a database screen). 
From that point, once I got a good DPI size, if further adjustments were 
needed, I used the FMKR scale tool and adjusted by percentage to maintain the 
smoothing and aspect ratio. 
 
Results: The training staff liked the improved images. 
 
 This process was adapted from info I gathered from this users group, so I hope 
sharing the results helps. 
 
Good Luck, 
Sue 
 
 



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Spectrum Writing 
Sent: Mon 5/18/2009 9:16 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: Screen captures and sizing



All,



I know that there are many graphics gurus on this list and I will be the
first to admit - I am NOT a graphics guru and it is my weakest point. That
said, I have never had any comments from clients until now about what I do
for screen captures, and I wanted either confirmation or some additional
insight on improvements for taking screen captures.



Here is the current comment from a client: Generally, I would like to keep
high quality of screen captures.

Would like to suggest using a tool that can downscale the images with a
smoothing function to keep high quality appearance. (as appear here, this is
just sub-sampling with no smoothing.)



I use SnagIt as my capture tool. I use the region option and capture either
the relevant portion that I need or if required, I take a capture of the
whole screen. I then save the capture as a .png, and use the import file
function to bring the capture into my Framemaker file. Obviously, the
default dpi is set to the fictitious Windows 96 dpi. I change the capture to
150 dpi and import. If this works for size and clarity, then I am done; if
not, I right-click on the picture and adjust the dpi until I get the size
that works for the page layout and what I am trying to show. (After much
reading on this list, and advice from another colleague, I have learned that
what I was initially taught at a long ago gig - to set the dpi to 300 and
then use the manual sizing handles - is NOT the way to go).



Can any of you graphics gurus give me some insight as to what else I should
be doing/changing or if I am doing it the right way - and if you want to
lecture me off list about dpis and stuff, that is fine with me too. I will
gladly take whatever information I can glean so that I can reply
professionally and non-emotionally to this client about why the pictures
are just fine for PDFs.



Thanks so much,



TVB



Tammy Van Boening

Owner/Principal

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com 



___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as susa...@vmc.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/susancu%40vmc.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.


___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Screen captures and sizing

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 
   I just completed a large project - about 240 screen captures - that were 
captured in SnagIt and imported by reference into the FrameMaker files. 
I agree with the last comment, to import at a setting that best accepts the 
size of your image, and as stated, do not use the corner handles to manually 
adjust your images. 

I used SnagIt with two options: the region (static images) and the time delayed 
(drop-down menus). 

We decided to run test samples, since our screens varied in size. 

The decision was to use a range of DPI settings depending on the size of the 
screen capture. 

Basically, I  used a DPI range of 72 to 144 from the small (like the error 
message box size) to the very large, (like the capture of a database screen). 
From that point, once I got a good DPI size, if further adjustments were 
needed, I used the FMKR scale tool and adjusted by percentage to maintain the 
smoothing and aspect ratio. 

Results: The training staff liked the improved images. 

 This process was adapted from info I gathered from this users group, so I hope 
sharing the results helps. 

Good Luck, 
Sue 





From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Spectrum Writing 
Sent: Mon 5/18/2009 9:16 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: Screen captures and sizing



All,



I know that there are many graphics gurus on this list and I will be the
first to admit - I am NOT a graphics guru and it is my weakest point. That
said, I have never had any comments from clients until now about what I do
for screen captures, and I wanted either confirmation or some additional
insight on improvements for taking screen captures.



Here is the current comment from a client: Generally, I would like to keep
high quality of screen captures.

Would like to suggest using a tool that can downscale the images with a
smoothing function to keep high quality appearance. (as appear here, this is
just sub-sampling with no smoothing.)



I use SnagIt as my capture tool. I use the region option and capture either
the relevant portion that I need or if required, I take a capture of the
whole screen. I then save the capture as a .png, and use the import file
function to bring the capture into my Framemaker file. Obviously, the
default dpi is set to the fictitious Windows 96 dpi. I change the capture to
150 dpi and import. If this works for size and clarity, then I am done; if
not, I right-click on the picture and adjust the dpi until I get the size
that works for the page layout and what I am trying to show. (After much
reading on this list, and advice from another colleague, I have learned that
what I was initially taught at a long ago gig - to set the dpi to 300 and
then use the manual sizing handles - is NOT the way to go).



Can any of you graphics gurus give me some insight as to what else I should
be doing/changing or if I am doing it the right way - and if you want to
lecture me off list about dpis and stuff, that is fine with me too. I will
gladly take whatever information I can glean so that I can reply
professionally and non-emotionally to this client about why the pictures
are just fine for PDFs.



Thanks so much,



TVB



Tammy Van Boening

Owner/Principal

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com 



___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as susancu at vmc.com.

Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/susancu%40vmc.com

Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

RE: Compile Book_Wrong Font msg

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi Jim, Fred, and others:  
 
Summary: 
   1.  Removed the check mark to Remember Missing Font Names : 
File>Preferences>General - did not work.
   2.  MIF wash - did not work.
   3.  Checked all anchored frame and table tags - fixed two of them - 
generated a small test book file -- does not work.
   4.  Checked Master and Reference pages - could not find any problems.  I 
have only header information, very simple. 
   5. Used MIF again after the above fixes - still - I cannot run this chapter.
 
 NOTE - it will run through just great as a lone file - outside of a book file, 
but when added to a book file - the generate feature skips right over it. 
 
I don't know what else to do to this file. I am thinking of reimporting all the 
images -- will that help? 
 
Thanks, 
Sue 



From: Jim Owens [mailto:jow...@magma.ca]
Sent: Sat 4/25/2009 5:39 PM
To: Fred Ridder
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Susan Curtzwiler
Subject: Re: Compile Book_Wrong Font msg



I had this happen just the other day. Washing as MIF didn't help.

I saved as MIF, opened the MIF file in a text editor, and searched for
the font name (in this case, "Times-Roman"). This turned up one  tag that did not seem to be wrapping any text. I removed
the entire tag section, and this fixed the problem.

Fred Ridder wrote:
> Responding to Susan Curtzwiler, Les Smalley wrote (in part):
>
>> If you are positive that everything is Arial, you can fix this file by first 
>> unchecking the option in Frame  to remember missing fonts (File > 
>> Preferences > General) and then opening and resaving the file.  Naturally, 
>> you need to have Arial installed on the machine in use and not just 
>> available via it being available on the currently selected printer.
>
>
> The usual technique that Les describes is not 100% effective. For one thing, 
> it will not change the fonts specified inside graphic objects. But there are 
> also cases where an extraneous font specification becomes attached to an 
> non-text object type, such as a frame on a reference page, and the "don't 
> remember" approach apparently ignores these objects. I've had this happen 
> myself, and the only thing that worked to get rid of the bad font 
> specification was a "wash via MIF" operation:
>
> -Save the FM file in MIF format
> -Close the original
>
> -Open the MIF version of the file
>
> -Do a Save As to overwrite the original FM file
>
> Give that a try if the "don't remember" approach doesn't do the job for you.
>
> -Fred Ridder
>
> 
>
> 
> ___
>
>
> You are currently subscribed to Framers as jow...@magma.ca.
>
> Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.
>
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
> or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca
>
> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
>
>



___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Compile Book_Wrong Font msg

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi Jim, Fred, and others:  

Summary: 
   1.  Removed the check mark to Remember Missing Font Names : 
File>Preferences>General - did not work.
   2.  MIF wash - did not work.
   3.  Checked all anchored frame and table tags - fixed two of them - 
generated a small test book file -- does not work.
   4.  Checked Master and Reference pages - could not find any problems.  I 
have only header information, very simple. 
   5. Used MIF again after the above fixes - still - I cannot run this chapter.

 NOTE - it will run through just great as a lone file - outside of a book file, 
but when added to a book file - the generate feature skips right over it. 

I don't know what else to do to this file. I am thinking of reimporting all the 
images -- will that help? 

Thanks, 
Sue 



From: Jim Owens [mailto:jow...@magma.ca]
Sent: Sat 4/25/2009 5:39 PM
To: Fred Ridder
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Susan Curtzwiler
Subject: Re: Compile Book_Wrong Font msg



I had this happen just the other day. Washing as MIF didn't help.

I saved as MIF, opened the MIF file in a text editor, and searched for
the font name (in this case, "Times-Roman"). This turned up one  tag that did not seem to be wrapping any text. I removed
the entire tag section, and this fixed the problem.

Fred Ridder wrote:
> Responding to Susan Curtzwiler, Les Smalley wrote (in part):
>
>> If you are positive that everything is Arial, you can fix this file by first 
>> unchecking the option in Frame  to remember missing fonts (File > 
>> Preferences > General) and then opening and resaving the file.  Naturally, 
>> you need to have Arial installed on the machine in use and not just 
>> available via it being available on the currently selected printer.
>
>
> The usual technique that Les describes is not 100% effective. For one thing, 
> it will not change the fonts specified inside graphic objects. But there are 
> also cases where an extraneous font specification becomes attached to an 
> non-text object type, such as a frame on a reference page, and the "don't 
> remember" approach apparently ignores these objects. I've had this happen 
> myself, and the only thing that worked to get rid of the bad font 
> specification was a "wash via MIF" operation:
>
> -Save the FM file in MIF format
> -Close the original
>
> -Open the MIF version of the file
>
> -Do a Save As to overwrite the original FM file
>
> Give that a try if the "don't remember" approach doesn't do the job for you.
>
> -Fred Ridder
>
> 
>
> 
> ___
>
>
> You are currently subscribed to Framers as jowens at magma.ca.
>
> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.
>
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
> or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca
>
> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit
> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
>
>

Compile Book_Wrong Font msg

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 
 
FrameMaker 7.0
Acrobat Distiller 5.0
Vista Enterprise on a Compaq laptop. 


I am working with a book file of 5 chapters and 2 appendices. 

I could please use help with two problems. 

1.  One of the chapters [ only this chapter]  will not compile - I get a 
message about unavailable fonts.  Everything is Arial. 

2. Regarding the Appendix title.  I have Appendix A and Appendix B showing up 
in the PDF file, side bar. 
However, it does not show up with the full name of Appendix ___  in the 
actual TOC file. The Chapter titles work fine. 

Any insight will be helpful. 
 
Thank You
Sue 
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Compile Book_Wrong Font msg

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 

FrameMaker 7.0
Acrobat Distiller 5.0
Vista Enterprise on a Compaq laptop. 


I am working with a book file of 5 chapters and 2 appendices. 

I could please use help with two problems. 

1.  One of the chapters [ only this chapter]  will not compile - I get a 
message about unavailable fonts.  Everything is Arial. 

2. Regarding the Appendix title.  I have Appendix A and Appendix B showing up 
in the PDF file, side bar. 
However, it does not show up with the full name of Appendix ___  in the 
actual TOC file. The Chapter titles work fine. 

Any insight will be helpful. 

Thank You
Sue 

Thank You _RE: URGENT_Images and DPI

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi all,
   I followed the advice to turn off down sampling and compression.  I also ran 
some test samples of DPIs for the different sizes of the screen captures (based 
on inches)  and now have better images. 
 
Thanks again for all your help ! 
 
Sue 



From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com]
Sent: Thu 4/9/2009 7:14 PM
To: Susan Curtzwiler; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: URGENT_Images and DPI 



Susan Curtzwiler wrote:

> I need some really quick help with how to best use the DPI settings to
> import screen captures by reference.
>
> I have some wide screen captures that will not fit into the anchored
> frame and retain clarity.
>
> If I use the 96 DPI, I can get the area being emphasized, but not
> enough surrounding area to have landmarks for the user.
>
> The larger screen captures, about 4x6, are even more difficult.  If I
> use the 150 DPI, it goes in the anchored frame, but again the text
> quality is not very good.

What format are they saved in? If it's JPEG, that's part of your
problem. JPEG is optimal for photos, but a poor choice for screen shots,
and often results in blurry text. Switch to PNG.

If these screen captures are from a Windows machine, 96 dpi should be
approximately "life-size" and 150 dpi should be easily readable. I
routinely used 180 dpi for screen shots of an application window about
900 x 500 pixels, making them about 5" wide in the doc. When you say
4x6, are you talking inches? You should be able to insert those into an
8.5 x 11 page life-size or nearly so, and if they're decent quality,
they should be as sharp and clear as the original window from which
they're captured.

You refer to _the_ anchored frame as if it was a given. Can't you use a
larger frame? If necessary, you can rotate the screen shot so its width
can be nearly the height of your text frame (although you shouldn't need
to unless I'm misunderstanding the sizes you're working with or these
screens use really tiny type).

BTW, to maintain the quality of a bitmap graphic, resist the urge to
make it larger or smaller with the mouse. Resize it only by changing the
dpi (best) or setting a round-number scaling percentage (both in the
Object Properties dialog).

HTH!
Richard

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--




___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Thank You _RE: URGENT_Images and DPI

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi all,
   I followed the advice to turn off down sampling and compression.  I also ran 
some test samples of DPIs for the different sizes of the screen captures (based 
on inches)  and now have better images. 

Thanks again for all your help ! 

Sue 



From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com]
Sent: Thu 4/9/2009 7:14 PM
To: Susan Curtzwiler; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: URGENT_Images and DPI 



Susan Curtzwiler wrote:

> I need some really quick help with how to best use the DPI settings to
> import screen captures by reference.
>
> I have some wide screen captures that will not fit into the anchored
> frame and retain clarity.
>
> If I use the 96 DPI, I can get the area being emphasized, but not
> enough surrounding area to have landmarks for the user.
>
> The larger screen captures, about 4x6, are even more difficult.  If I
> use the 150 DPI, it goes in the anchored frame, but again the text
> quality is not very good.

What format are they saved in? If it's JPEG, that's part of your
problem. JPEG is optimal for photos, but a poor choice for screen shots,
and often results in blurry text. Switch to PNG.

If these screen captures are from a Windows machine, 96 dpi should be
approximately "life-size" and 150 dpi should be easily readable. I
routinely used 180 dpi for screen shots of an application window about
900 x 500 pixels, making them about 5" wide in the doc. When you say
4x6, are you talking inches? You should be able to insert those into an
8.5 x 11 page life-size or nearly so, and if they're decent quality,
they should be as sharp and clear as the original window from which
they're captured.

You refer to _the_ anchored frame as if it was a given. Can't you use a
larger frame? If necessary, you can rotate the screen shot so its width
can be nearly the height of your text frame (although you shouldn't need
to unless I'm misunderstanding the sizes you're working with or these
screens use really tiny type).

BTW, to maintain the quality of a bitmap graphic, resist the urge to
make it larger or smaller with the mouse. Resize it only by changing the
dpi (best) or setting a round-number scaling percentage (both in the
Object Properties dialog).

HTH!
Richard

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

URGENT_Images and DPI

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 
 
Software:  FrameMaker 7.0  on Vista Enterprise.  SnagIt 9 in .PNG format - 
required by management. 
Audience:  Technicians in a data center - they will be using a standard laptop. 
 This is for a runbook, mostly will be viewed on screen, limited printed copies 
in black only.
 
I need some really quick help with how to best use the DPI settings to import 
screen captures by reference.  
 
I have some wide screen captures that will not fit into the anchored frame and 
retain clarity. 
 
If I use the 96 DPI, I can get the area being emphasized, but not enough 
surrounding area to have landmarks for the user. 
 
The larger screen captures, about 4x6, are even more difficult.  If I use the 
150 DPI, it goes in the anchored frame, but again the text quality is not very 
good. 
 
Any input will be great.   I will be working with the FM scaling tool and see 
if I can get satisfactory results. 
 
Thanks,
Sue Curtzwiler 
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

URGENT_Images and DPI

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 

Software:  FrameMaker 7.0  on Vista Enterprise.  SnagIt 9 in .PNG format - 
required by management. 
Audience:  Technicians in a data center - they will be using a standard laptop. 
 This is for a runbook, mostly will be viewed on screen, limited printed copies 
in black only.

I need some really quick help with how to best use the DPI settings to import 
screen captures by reference.  

I have some wide screen captures that will not fit into the anchored frame and 
retain clarity. 

If I use the 96 DPI, I can get the area being emphasized, but not enough 
surrounding area to have landmarks for the user. 

The larger screen captures, about 4x6, are even more difficult.  If I use the 
150 DPI, it goes in the anchored frame, but again the text quality is not very 
good. 

Any input will be great.   I will be working with the FM scaling tool and see 
if I can get satisfactory results. 

Thanks,
Sue Curtzwiler 

Visio to FMKR

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi all Framers 
  I need to add some Visio flows (currently in Word) that take up the size of a 
full portrait page. 
I copied and used paste special > Bitmap into a portrait FrameMaker page.  The 
Visio fit fine on one page, but it jumped to the next page.  I had the cursor 
at the top of a regular page. 
 
I'm thinking of creating a Master page with a smaller header to give a little 
more space. 
 
Does anyone have other suggestions, or is there any problem with my approach. 
 
Thanks,
Sue Curtzwiler 
susa...@vmc.com 
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Visio to FMKR

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi all Framers 
  I need to add some Visio flows (currently in Word) that take up the size of a 
full portrait page. 
I copied and used paste special > Bitmap into a portrait FrameMaker page.  The 
Visio fit fine on one page, but it jumped to the next page.  I had the cursor 
at the top of a regular page. 

I'm thinking of creating a Master page with a smaller header to give a little 
more space. 

Does anyone have other suggestions, or is there any problem with my approach. 

Thanks,
Sue Curtzwiler 
susancu at vmc.com 

RE: "Display heading text" in book file

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 
 
FM 7.0 for Window's Vista Enterprise.
 
I'd like to piggy-back on Jon's post.  In addition to seeing the same issues, 
the name of the book file seems to always display the full path.  My manager 
has asked that I clean up that file name and show something simple like the 
name of the book. Is there a way to not show the full path? 
 
Thanks,
Sue Curtzwiler



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Jon Harvey
Sent: Fri 2/13/2009 10:39 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: "Display heading text" in book file



Hi Everyone,



FM 7.2 for Window.



As you know, in the book file, you can toggle between the files' file
names and their heading text. My question is, what determines the
heading text that is displayed? I have examined my files and notice that
the heading text that is displayed is typically the first major heading
(such as Heading1) that FM encounters in the file but not always. I've
also noticed that for some files (but not all) in the book, FM will
always show the file name even when toggling back and forth.





Jon Harvey

Manager, Desktop & Enterprise Documentation

CambridgeSoft Corporation

100 CambridgePark Drive

Cambridge, MA 02140

(617) 588-9354



___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as susa...@vmc.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/susancu%40vmc.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.


___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

"Display heading text" in book file

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All, 

FM 7.0 for Window's Vista Enterprise.

I'd like to piggy-back on Jon's post.  In addition to seeing the same issues, 
the name of the book file seems to always display the full path.  My manager 
has asked that I clean up that file name and show something simple like the 
name of the book. Is there a way to not show the full path? 

Thanks,
Sue Curtzwiler



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Jon Harvey
Sent: Fri 2/13/2009 10:39 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: "Display heading text" in book file



Hi Everyone,



FM 7.2 for Window.



As you know, in the book file, you can toggle between the files' file
names and their heading text. My question is, what determines the
heading text that is displayed? I have examined my files and notice that
the heading text that is displayed is typically the first major heading
(such as Heading1) that FM encounters in the file but not always. I've
also noticed that for some files (but not all) in the book, FM will
always show the file name even when toggling back and forth.





Jon Harvey

Manager, Desktop & Enterprise Documentation

CambridgeSoft Corporation

100 CambridgePark Drive

Cambridge, MA 02140

(617) 588-9354



___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as susancu at vmc.com.

Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/susancu%40vmc.com

Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Thank You for the TOC replies

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi 
   Just to let you know, I did successfully use the Reference Pages to build a 
TOC. 
I studied all the tips from Jerilynne, Art, and Les and came up with a 
reasonable TOC that can also be used as a template. 
 
 Thanks to all.
Sue Curtzwiler 
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Thank You for the TOC replies

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi 
   Just to let you know, I did successfully use the Reference Pages to build a 
TOC. 
I studied all the tips from Jerilynne, Art, and Les and came up with a 
reasonable TOC that can also be used as a template. 

 Thanks to all.
Sue Curtzwiler 

TOC building

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All: 
 
 I am using FM7 with Distiller 5 and Vista Enterprise. 
 
I could really use some help with the building blocks of a TOC for a  book. 
My Frame7 Users Guide tells me that on the Reference page I will find a table 
for special text flow for the TOC. 
 
 There are several tables on the Ref pages, but nothing clearly marked for TOC 
or Indexes. 
My concentration right now is to get a TOC  with the following formatting 
resolved:

1.  Chapter numbers to clearly show up  and set aside  somewhat from the 
actual entries (and in the side bar of the PDF).
2.  Spacing with leader dots between entry and page number.
3.  Show chapter number and page number, such as 2-5.

I have successfully generated the original TOC list, but what am I missing to 
get the rest of this finished? 
 
Thanks for your help. 
 
Sue Curtzwiler 
susa...@vmc.com
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

TOC building

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All: 

 I am using FM7 with Distiller 5 and Vista Enterprise. 

I could really use some help with the building blocks of a TOC for a  book. 
My Frame7 Users Guide tells me that on the Reference page I will find a table 
for special text flow for the TOC. 

 There are several tables on the Ref pages, but nothing clearly marked for TOC 
or Indexes. 
My concentration right now is to get a TOC  with the following formatting 
resolved:

1.  Chapter numbers to clearly show up  and set aside  somewhat from the 
actual entries (and in the side bar of the PDF).
2.  Spacing with leader dots between entry and page number.
3.  Show chapter number and page number, such as 2-5.

I have successfully generated the original TOC list, but what am I missing to 
get the rest of this finished? 

Thanks for your help. 

Sue Curtzwiler 
susancu at vmc.com

New topic_ Converting Word to FMKR

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All 
  A couple of weeks ago, I successfully used "Import by copy into document"  
from Word 2007 to FMKR 7.
  Today, all I get in the conversion box is a list of files to choose and it 
does not include Word 2007 as a lone option, only Word for Windows 6.0/7.0.
 Then, I get an error message:  The filter encountered an error and could not 
complete the translation. I tried to use three different Word docs. 
 
My coworker and I are using only Word 2007 -- so I can't figure out why this 
issue is giving us trouble. 
 
My coworker said he can use copy/paste special just fine.   I'm sure it works, 
but seems like a work-around that we should not have to use.  I thought Frame 
was to use these import features to help us. 
 
Is there any problem to use paste/special ?  We are converting a 300+ Word doc 
to Frame.  
 
Just with the trial samples we have shown  - management is very pleased !!!  
 
Thanks, 
Sue Curtzwiler
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

New topic_ Converting Word to FMKR

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi All 
  A couple of weeks ago, I successfully used "Import by copy into document"  
from Word 2007 to FMKR 7.
  Today, all I get in the conversion box is a list of files to choose and it 
does not include Word 2007 as a lone option, only Word for Windows 6.0/7.0.
 Then, I get an error message:  The filter encountered an error and could not 
complete the translation. I tried to use three different Word docs. 

My coworker and I are using only Word 2007 -- so I can't figure out why this 
issue is giving us trouble. 

My coworker said he can use copy/paste special just fine.   I'm sure it works, 
but seems like a work-around that we should not have to use.  I thought Frame 
was to use these import features to help us. 

Is there any problem to use paste/special ?  We are converting a 300+ Word doc 
to Frame.  

Just with the trial samples we have shown  - management is very pleased !!!  

Thanks, 
Sue Curtzwiler

RE: Frame reference book

[Susan Curtzwiler]

I will be watching for replies to this request. I am also rebuilding my 
knowledge with Frame. I could share this with my coworker, we both have been 
using Word for too long and now converting our files to Frame. 
Any easy reference books about Frame would be helpful. 
Thank You. 
 
Sue 



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Raymond, Michael
Sent: Wed 2/4/2009 1:47 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame reference book



I am fairly new to Frame. I'm looking for a good book that will help me
sharpen my Frame skills and also be a good reference guide. I have Frame
7.1. Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

Mike


This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or
proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity
to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended
recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified
that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is
prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the
sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately.
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as susa...@vmc.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/susancu%40vmc.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.


___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Frame reference book

[Susan Curtzwiler]

I will be watching for replies to this request. I am also rebuilding my 
knowledge with Frame. I could share this with my coworker, we both have been 
using Word for too long and now converting our files to Frame. 
Any easy reference books about Frame would be helpful. 
Thank You. 

Sue 



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Raymond, Michael
Sent: Wed 2/4/2009 1:47 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame reference book



I am fairly new to Frame. I'm looking for a good book that will help me
sharpen my Frame skills and also be a good reference guide. I have Frame
7.1. Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

Mike


This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or
proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity
to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended
recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified
that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is
prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the
sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately.
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as susancu at vmc.com.

Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/susancu%40vmc.com

Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Frame 7 and PDF

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi all,
  I've seen numerous emails concerning FMKR 8 and 9.  Please don't laugh, the 
company provided FMKR 7.
 
I am having trouble with creating a simple PDF file.  I have uninstalled FMKR 7 
and Acrobat Distiller instance 5.0 and reinstalled both files today (Wednesday, 
2/4/09. ) Rebooted from the restart.   This did not fix the problem. 
 
I used the Save As and selected PDF, got the normal setup windows, clicked on 
Set. 
Then, I get a message saying that 
"FrameMaker could not find Acrobat Distiller printer instance, which must be 
installed to execute Save as PDF command."
 
I have had IT look this over, and it appears that FMKR 7 and Acrobat Distiller 
instance 5.0 are correctly installed. 
 
Any help will be much appreciated. 
 
Compaq6910p 3G RAM
 
Thanks,
Sue 
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Frame 7 and PDF

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi all,
  I've seen numerous emails concerning FMKR 8 and 9.  Please don't laugh, the 
company provided FMKR 7.

I am having trouble with creating a simple PDF file.  I have uninstalled FMKR 7 
and Acrobat Distiller instance 5.0 and reinstalled both files today (Wednesday, 
2/4/09. ) Rebooted from the restart.   This did not fix the problem. 

I used the Save As and selected PDF, got the normal setup windows, clicked on 
Set. 
Then, I get a message saying that 
"FrameMaker could not find Acrobat Distiller printer instance, which must be 
installed to execute Save as PDF command."

I have had IT look this over, and it appears that FMKR 7 and Acrobat Distiller 
instance 5.0 are correctly installed. 

Any help will be much appreciated. 

Compaq6910p 3G RAM

Thanks,
Sue 

RE: OT : RE: Translators and Word vs FM

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Regarding MultiLing, the translation service that I recommended: They have 
teams in the countries they represent for their services. For example, my 
document was sent to Germany. At the location in Germany, there was a product 
manager and their team also had a technical background. Therefore, I felt I 
could trust their work.  They were highly recommended to me by another writer 
who had been using them for several years. 
   
  Regards,
  Sue 
  

Daniel Doornbos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Mathieu brings up an important issue about in-country translation by
native speakers of the target language. Having been forced to use
material translated by machine or by so-called translators with minimal
skill in the target language, I agree that "in-country native" is the
way to go.

However, the fact that you might use a full-service translation firm
does not mean that the translation work is done at one location. I have
used US and European translation companies. In both cases, the actual
work was done in-country by native translators contracting for the
company.

In my case, as a lone writer, I do not have the time or resources to
coordinate translation projects with 9 different people in 9 separate
countries, then take their work and assemble it into a single volume for
printing and distribution. A full-service company, who manages the
project and the individual translators, and gives me a single PDF built
to specification, is the only reasonable solution.

As Diane noted in a separate string, "Check with the vendor and make
sure that they have the right combination of linguistic and technical
experience to do the work you need."

Daniel

-Original Message-
From: mathieu jacquet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Daniel Doornbos
Cc: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: OT : RE: Translators and Word vs FM


I totally agree with you Steve. I'm hired half time in France by an
American 
company based in Everett (WA), and we hold call conference on a daily
basis, 
there's absolutely no problem with that. We're just asked to wake up
later. 
It is no big deal to me. :o))

When you work in the translation business, the first rule is to get your

documents preferably translated by native speakers living in their own 
country (not "corrupt" by the language of the country they live in). You

have to contact people living in Japan, Russia, Norway, Brazil, etc. The
Web 
is the best way to do it. A translator who does not reply straight away
is a 
translator out of the database...

Mathieu


>From: Steve Rickaby 
>To: "Daniel Doornbos" 
>CC: framers@FrameUsers.com
>Subject: RE: Translators and Word vs FM
>Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:01:33 +
>
>At 09:37 -0800 4/1/07, Daniel Doornbos wrote:
>
> >I agree with Mathieu that translators in Europe tend to be 
> >substantially
>less expensive. But if you live in the US, it's hard to get them on the
>phone when you want to discuss an issue. And many want payment in
Euros, 
>which, for my accounting department, is a major problem.
>
>We're not translators, but I feel I should stick up for the European 
>end of
>things:
>
>. Any European company that is interested in working for US clients 
>should
>be able to quote in US dollars. If they can't or won't, don't work with

>them. We can, and do.
>
>. If the phone doesn't work for you, use e-mail: it's a useful tool for
>crossing time zones. If a contractor doesn't respond to e-mail as
quickly 
>as you'd like, stop using them.
>
>. The difference in tome-zones can be made to work to your advantage: 
>we
>come on-stream half a working day before the East seaboard and a whole 
>working day before the West seaboard and we're working away while
you're 
>asleep. This constitutes a sort of double-shift system ;-)
>
>Our US clients are happy, and we're happy working for them. The 
>Internet
>shrinks the world: everyone benefits.
>
>--
>Steve Rickaby
>WordMongers Ltd
http://www.wordmongers.com
>___
>
>
>You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>or visit
>http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bobitch%40hotmail.c
om
>
>Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit 
>http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

_
Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com 
http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/

___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/smcurtzwiler%40sbcglobal.net

Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

_

OT : RE: Translators and Word vs FM

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Regarding MultiLing, the translation service that I recommended: They have 
teams in the countries they represent for their services. For example, my 
document was sent to Germany. At the location in Germany, there was a product 
manager and their team also had a technical background. Therefore, I felt I 
could trust their work.  They were highly recommended to me by another writer 
who had been using them for several years. 

  Regards,
  Sue 


Daniel Doornbos  wrote:
  Mathieu brings up an important issue about in-country translation by
native speakers of the target language. Having been forced to use
material translated by machine or by so-called translators with minimal
skill in the target language, I agree that "in-country native" is the
way to go.

However, the fact that you might use a full-service translation firm
does not mean that the translation work is done at one location. I have
used US and European translation companies. In both cases, the actual
work was done in-country by native translators contracting for the
company.

In my case, as a lone writer, I do not have the time or resources to
coordinate translation projects with 9 different people in 9 separate
countries, then take their work and assemble it into a single volume for
printing and distribution. A full-service company, who manages the
project and the individual translators, and gives me a single PDF built
to specification, is the only reasonable solution.

As Diane noted in a separate string, "Check with the vendor and make
sure that they have the right combination of linguistic and technical
experience to do the work you need."

Daniel

-Original Message-
From: mathieu jacquet [mailto:bobi...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:04 PM
To: srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk; Daniel Doornbos
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: OT : RE: Translators and Word vs FM


I totally agree with you Steve. I'm hired half time in France by an
American 
company based in Everett (WA), and we hold call conference on a daily
basis, 
there's absolutely no problem with that. We're just asked to wake up
later. 
It is no big deal to me. :o))

When you work in the translation business, the first rule is to get your

documents preferably translated by native speakers living in their own 
country (not "corrupt" by the language of the country they live in). You

have to contact people living in Japan, Russia, Norway, Brazil, etc. The
Web 
is the best way to do it. A translator who does not reply straight away
is a 
translator out of the database...

Mathieu


>From: Steve Rickaby 
>To: "Daniel Doornbos" 
>CC: framers at FrameUsers.com
>Subject: RE: Translators and Word vs FM
>Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:01:33 +
>
>At 09:37 -0800 4/1/07, Daniel Doornbos wrote:
>
> >I agree with Mathieu that translators in Europe tend to be 
> >substantially
>less expensive. But if you live in the US, it's hard to get them on the
>phone when you want to discuss an issue. And many want payment in
Euros, 
>which, for my accounting department, is a major problem.
>
>We're not translators, but I feel I should stick up for the European 
>end of
>things:
>
>. Any European company that is interested in working for US clients 
>should
>be able to quote in US dollars. If they can't or won't, don't work with

>them. We can, and do.
>
>. If the phone doesn't work for you, use e-mail: it's a useful tool for
>crossing time zones. If a contractor doesn't respond to e-mail as
quickly 
>as you'd like, stop using them.
>
>. The difference in tome-zones can be made to work to your advantage: 
>we
>come on-stream half a working day before the East seaboard and a whole 
>working day before the West seaboard and we're working away while
you're 
>asleep. This constitutes a sort of double-shift system ;-)
>
>Our US clients are happy, and we're happy working for them. The 
>Internet
>shrinks the world: everyone benefits.
>
>--
>Steve Rickaby
>WordMongers Ltd
http://www.wordmongers.com
>___
>
>
>You are currently subscribed to Framers as bobitch at hotmail.com.
>
>Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.
>
>To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
>framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
>or visit
>http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bobitch%40hotmail.c
om
>
>Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit 
>http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

_
Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com 
http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/

___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as smcurtzwiler at sbcglobal.net.

Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/smcurtzwiler%40sbcglobal.net

Send administrative ques

Re: Translators and Word vs FM

[Susan Curtzwiler]

I would like to recommend a translator service in Provo, Utah, MultiLing, Corp. 
They prefer FM, but they also work with Word. Ask for Emmanuel or Jeremy and 
you can use my name as a reference, Sue Curtzwiler. 
   
  This summer, I used MultiLing, Corp, to translate English to German for a 
hardware installation manual, graphics included. The only thing I left in 
English was any text on screen captures.  The manual was in Word and about 65 
pages. 
   
  They did a great job -- after preliminary estimates and Purchase Orders were 
in place, the turnaround time was about 2.5 to 3 weeks. 
   
  Sue Curtzwiler
  Technical Writer
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Translators and Word vs FM

[Susan Curtzwiler]

I would like to recommend a translator service in Provo, Utah, MultiLing, Corp. 
They prefer FM, but they also work with Word. Ask for Emmanuel or Jeremy and 
you can use my name as a reference, Sue Curtzwiler. 

  This summer, I used MultiLing, Corp, to translate English to German for a 
hardware installation manual, graphics included. The only thing I left in 
English was any text on screen captures.  The manual was in Word and about 65 
pages. 

  They did a great job -- after preliminary estimates and Purchase Orders were 
in place, the turnaround time was about 2.5 to 3 weeks. 

  Sue Curtzwiler
  Technical Writer

Current Online help standard

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Please, what is the current standard for online help? 
  Is this now built into FrameMaker? Can I use 7.0 or do I need 7.2? 
   
  I've heard that RoboHelp is on its way out. If I develop a rather large doc 
(~200pgs) in Robo, will I be sorely outdated? 
   
  Thanks,
  Sue 
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Current Online help standard

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Please, what is the current standard for online help? 
  Is this now built into FrameMaker? Can I use 7.0 or do I need 7.2? 

  I've heard that RoboHelp is on its way out. If I develop a rather large doc 
(~200pgs) in Robo, will I be sorely outdated? 

  Thanks,
  Sue 

landscape pages in a portrait book (DOH!)

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Usability: I tend to agree with your idea about staying with the portrait 
pages, just so that it will be easier for the user. Who wants to turn a book 
sideways?  But if you must... go for the landscape.

  On the other hand, here is what I did in Word last year for a similar 
problem. 
  Made a section break, inserted a landscape page, made a new section break. 
  It actually held together, the hassle was the header and footer. 
  It sounds like the process Bill Swallow suggested is the equivalent and 
easier to handle than making separate files, etc. 

  Good luck, and please let us know how it worked out. 
  Susan Curtzwiler

Bill Swallow  wrote:
  Usability... no clue on that one. But all you need to do is create
additional master pages using a landscape layout and then apply the
master pages to the necessary body pages. You certainly don't need to
insert files or use separate templates to do this.

On 11/2/06, Rene Stephenson wrote:

> Not too long ago, there was some discussion about having a landscape page in 
> a book of otherwise portrait pages. The concensus seemed to be that although 
> it can be done by inserting a separate file for the landscape pages and 
> adjusting the page numbering settings accordingly, it doesn't fit good 
> usability models. My gut tells me it's a proverbial Pandora's box.
>
> Well, now we've got the same issue: someone says a secondary audience 
> (internal) for the doc in question want to see all the alarm info in one big 
> landscape table, rather than chunked in ways that facilitate presenting on a 
> portrait page. Our primary audience is external customers. And the "someone" 
> is a Word user who likes to "cowboy" the formatting, regardless of what's in 
> the templates. So, before I spend the time to develop a landscape template 
> and train the writers on when it's OK to use it and how to make it function, 
> could someone please tell me where I could find some sound usability studies 
> that weigh in on either side of this issue?

-- 
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
avid homebrewer and proud beer snob
"I see your OOO message and raise you a clue."
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as smcurtzwiler at sbcglobal.net.

Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/smcurtzwiler%40sbcglobal.net

Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

general publication quiestion

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi all, 
 Is there any hard and fast rule that when you have a blank left page 
before a chapter break that you have to label it as "This page intentionally 
left blank." ? 
   
 It would be much easier if I could use section break for odd pages (yes, 
this is using Word) instead of Next Page for a section break. It seems that 
when I use the "Odd Page" break, there is no place to enter any text. 
 
 I am gradually converting my docs to Frame. 
   
  Thanks,
  Susan
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

general publication quiestion

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi all, 
 Is there any hard and fast rule that when you have a blank left page 
before a chapter break that you have to label it as "This page intentionally 
left blank." ? 

 It would be much easier if I could use section break for odd pages (yes, 
this is using Word) instead of Next Page for a section break. It seems that 
when I use the "Odd Page" break, there is no place to enter any text. 

 I am gradually converting my docs to Frame. 

  Thanks,
  Susan

Word to FrameMaker

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi , 
I am new to the FrameUsers list. 
It has been about 4 or 5 years since I have use Frame.
Can anyone give me some quick tips on how to convert a Word doc to 
FrameMaker? 
   
  Any help will be much appreciated.
   
  Thanks,
  Sue C
___


You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To unsubscribe send a blank email to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Word to FrameMaker

[Susan Curtzwiler]

Hi , 
I am new to the FrameUsers list. 
It has been about 4 or 5 years since I have use Frame.
Can anyone give me some quick tips on how to convert a Word doc to 
FrameMaker? 

  Any help will be much appreciated.

  Thanks,
  Sue C