Figure Numbering Problem

[Howard Rauch]

I am working on a service manual using the client's template. I have run into a 
problem with the auto numbering of figures. The first 4 were numbered in 
succession, but each one after that repeats as Figure 4. The auto numbering 
format is F:Figure  n+.  The figure numbers are set with a paragraph tag 
and are placed are in a text frame inside the borders of an anchored frame.
 
I have tried manually forcing the number of the fifth figure to 5, but the 
downstream figures remain numbered as Figure 4. I have also tried adding spaces 
to the grid as in F:Figure   n+ and F:Figuren+, but 
downstream figures are still numbered as Figure 4. Deleting the text frame for 
Figure 5 and inserting a new one yields the same results.
 
Any suggestions as to the cause of the problem and the proper method of 
correcting it?
 
I am using Frame 7.0 and a Windows XP operating system on a PC.
 
Howard Rauch
 
Technology Transfer, Inc.
Linking Creators and Users of Technology
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
Office: 920-682-1528
Cell: 920-629-0080
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Re: Figure Numbering Problem

[Deirdre Reagan]

Is the paragraph numbering at the book level set to Continue Numbering
from Previous Paragraph?

Hope this helps!

Deirdre

On 8/12/08, Howard Rauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am working on a service manual using the client's template. I have run into 
 a problem with the auto numbering of figures. The first 4 were numbered in 
 succession, but each one after that repeats as Figure 4. The auto numbering 
 format is F:Figure  n+.  The figure numbers are set with a paragraph tag 
 and are placed are in a text frame inside the borders of an anchored frame.

 I have tried manually forcing the number of the fifth figure to 5, but the 
 downstream figures remain numbered as Figure 4. I have also tried adding 
 spaces to the grid as in F:Figure   n+ and F:Figuren+, but 
 downstream figures are still numbered as Figure 4. Deleting the text frame 
 for Figure 5 and inserting a new one yields the same results.

 Any suggestions as to the cause of the problem and the proper method of 
 correcting it?

 I am using Frame 7.0 and a Windows XP operating system on a PC.

 Howard Rauch

 Technology Transfer, Inc.
 Linking Creators and Users of Technology
 933 North 18th Street
 Manitowoc WI 54220
 Office: 920-682-1528
 Cell: 920-629-0080
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Figure Numbering Problem

[Howard Rauch]

I am working on a service manual using the client's template. I have run into a 
problem with the auto?numbering of figures. The first?4 were numbered in 
succession, but each one after that repeats as Figure 4. The auto numbering 
format is F:Figure < >.? The figure numbers are set with a paragraph tag 
and are placed are in a text frame inside the borders of an anchored frame.
?
I have tried manually forcing the number of the fifth figure to 5, but the 
downstream figures?remain numbered as Figure 4. I have also tried adding spaces 
to the grid as in F:Figure < >< > and F:Figure < >< >< >, but 
downstream figures are still numbered as Figure 4. Deleting the text frame?for 
Figure 5 and inserting a new one yields the same results.
?
Any suggestions as to the cause of the problem and the proper method of 
correcting it?
?
I am using Frame 7.0 and a Windows XP operating system on a PC.
?
Howard Rauch
?
Technology Transfer, Inc.
"Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
Office: 920-682-1528
Cell: 920-629-0080

Figure Numbering Problem

[Deirdre Reagan]

Is the paragraph numbering at the book level set to Continue Numbering
from Previous Paragraph?

Hope this helps!

Deirdre

On 8/12/08, Howard Rauch  wrote:
> I am working on a service manual using the client's template. I have run into 
> a problem with the auto numbering of figures. The first 4 were numbered in 
> succession, but each one after that repeats as Figure 4. The auto numbering 
> format is F:Figure < >.  The figure numbers are set with a paragraph tag 
> and are placed are in a text frame inside the borders of an anchored frame.
>
> I have tried manually forcing the number of the fifth figure to 5, but the 
> downstream figures remain numbered as Figure 4. I have also tried adding 
> spaces to the grid as in F:Figure < >< > and F:Figure < >< >< >, but 
> downstream figures are still numbered as Figure 4. Deleting the text frame 
> for Figure 5 and inserting a new one yields the same results.
>
> Any suggestions as to the cause of the problem and the proper method of 
> correcting it?
>
> I am using Frame 7.0 and a Windows XP operating system on a PC.
>
> Howard Rauch
>
> Technology Transfer, Inc.
> "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
> 933 North 18th Street
> Manitowoc WI 54220
> Office: 920-682-1528
> Cell: 920-629-0080
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Figure numbering problem

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Is it possible to number figures across files within a book?

-- 
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson

Figure numbering problem

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Sure. At the book level, set each file in the book to continue paragraph
numbering (FM not open, but I believe you right-click the files, select
Numbering, and it's the Paragraph tab).


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User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates




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Is it possible to number figures across files within a book?

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RE: Figure Numbering Problem

[eric . dunn]

Lester C. Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/15/2007 04:24:11 
PM:

 Are any of the figures inside either another text frame, or a table?
 
 Numbering usually works extremely well, provided all the paragraph tags
 are in the same text flow. Either of these instances creates a different
 text flow and/or evaluation order of the numbering building blocks
 (counters) that may account for the weird behavior.

But... Here's some interesting behaviour:

If a disconnected text frame is in an anchored frame, and the paragraph 
format contains the word figure, it will autonumber. If the paragraph 
format does not, autonumbering is independent.

If you update all the figure title paragraph formats to a new name, the 
currently linked and autonumbered paragraphs stay sequentially numbered as 
do new paragraphs in separate anchored and text frames.

However, you sometimes see bizarre behaviour such as figure titles not 
incrementing or restarting or intermittently having to change the 
numbering for the first item in a legend to n=1 manually or by different 
paragraph tag.

Eric L. Dunn
Senior Technical Writer

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Re: Figure Numbering Problem

[eric . dunn]

To address the initial problem:

The only repair I have found that works is to rebuild the files anchored 
frames from the point at which the numbering is broken. To be extra sure, 
rebuild them all.

Save a copy of your file, in the working file delete all anchored frames, 
then with the working file and copy side by side, create a new anchored 
frame for each in the copy. Use the copy only to get the graphic and text 
for the title.

I've identified that it usually breaks when anchored frames containing 
text frames with numbered content are copied and pasted. At some point, 
FrameMaker gets confused as to which text frames to keep out of the 
numbering flow and which to include.

Eric L. Dunn
Senior Technical Writer

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Figure Numbering Problem

[eric.d...@ca.transport.bombardier.com]

"Lester C. Smalley"  wrote on 05/15/2007 04:24:11 
PM:

> Are any of the figures inside either another text frame, or a table?
> 
> Numbering usually works extremely well, provided all the paragraph tags
> are in the same text flow. Either of these instances creates a different
> text flow and/or evaluation order of the numbering building blocks
> (counters) that may account for the weird behavior.

But... Here's some interesting behaviour:

If a disconnected text frame is in an anchored frame, and the paragraph 
format contains the word "figure", it will autonumber. If the paragraph 
format does not, autonumbering is independent.

If you update all the figure title paragraph formats to a new name, the 
currently linked and autonumbered paragraphs stay sequentially numbered as 
do new paragraphs in separate anchored and text frames.

However, you sometimes see bizarre behaviour such as figure titles not 
incrementing or restarting or intermittently having to change the 
numbering for the first item in a legend to 

Figure Numbering Problem

[eric.d...@ca.transport.bombardier.com]

To address the initial problem:

The only repair I have found that works is to rebuild the files anchored 
frames from the point at which the numbering is broken. To be extra sure, 
rebuild them all.

Save a copy of your file, in the working file delete all anchored frames, 
then with the working file and copy side by side, create a new anchored 
frame for each in the copy. Use the copy only to get the graphic and text 
for the title.

I've identified that it usually breaks when anchored frames containing 
text frames with numbered content are copied and pasted. At some point, 
FrameMaker gets confused as to which text frames to keep out of the 
numbering flow and which to include.

Eric L. Dunn
Senior Technical Writer

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Figure Numbering Problem

[Howard Rauch]

I have been writing a number of service manuals for my client. One problem I 
have been having is numbering figures sequentially -- some will, some won't. 
The command line for autonumbering in the client's template is  F:Figure  
n+.

For those that do not, I have to force the figure numbering, that is, manually 
renumber that figure to the number it should have. For example,  F:Figure  
n=5. Then some downstream figures will number correctly, but then I may have 
two, three, or four consecutive figures with the same numbers. Also in the 
figure tag list for cross-referencing, figure numbers may be out of sequence, 
e.g. Figure 5 listed before Figure 4.

Several other items that are numbered in the manual are certain headings 
(H:n.n+   =0 =0 =0 =0 =0\t), items in lists (n:n+.\t) which 
also have a tag to start with 1 again (n:n=1.\t), and procedural steps 
(n=1.\t and n+.\t). Tables are not numbered.

Although manually renumbering figures solves the problem, as you are aware, it 
creates other  numbering problems if a figure is removed in the future. any 
insights about how to resolve t his issue?

I am using Frame 7 with Windows XP Professional.

Howard Rauch

Technology Transfer, Inc.
Linking Creators and Users of Technology
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
Office: 920-682-1528
Cell: 920-629-0080
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Re: Figure Numbering Problem

[Art Campbell]

Sounds as if it's a legacy document that was never changed to support
the $chapnum and $volnum variables that were introduced in 6.x.
Assuming it's using chapter numbers as part of the numbering scheme,
of course, correct strings would look something like:
F:Figure $chapnumn+.

If you're not using chapter numbering, it may just be a case of not
setting the numbering properties for the component chapters in the
book file (which is where they must be set; not in each chapter).
Highlight the chapters in the book file, right click, select
numbering, and then set the numbering property to reset (assuming you
want to restart numbering in each chapter).

The other easy thing to check and fix is that the same set of
paragraph tags are used book-wide. If there are typos in the numbering
stream, that's also going to break things.

Art



On 5/15/07, Howard Rauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have been writing a number of service manuals for my client. One problem I have been 
having is numbering figures sequentially -- some will, some won't. The command line for 
autonumbering in the client's template is  F:Figure  n+.

For those that do not, I have to force the figure numbering, that is, manually renumber 
that figure to the number it should have. For example,  F:Figure  n=5. Then 
some downstream figures will number correctly, but then I may have two, three, or four 
consecutive figures with the same numbers. Also in the figure tag list for 
cross-referencing, figure numbers may be out of sequence, e.g. Figure 5 listed before 
Figure 4.

Several other items that are numbered in the manual are certain headings (H:n.n+   =0 =0 =0 
=0 =0\t), items in lists (n:n+.\t) which also have a tag to start with 1 again (n:n=1.\t), and procedural steps 
(n=1.\t and n+.\t). Tables are not numbered.

Although manually renumbering figures solves the problem, as you are aware, it 
creates other  numbering problems if a figure is removed in the future. any 
insights about how to resolve t his issue?

I am using Frame 7 with Windows XP Professional.

Howard Rauch

Technology Transfer, Inc.
Linking Creators and Users of Technology
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
Office: 920-682-1528
Cell: 920-629-0080
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RE: Figure Numbering Problem

[Lester C. Smalley]

Are any of the figures inside either another text frame, or a table?

Numbering usually works extremely well, provided all the paragraph tags
are in the same text flow. Either of these instances creates a different
text flow and/or evaluation order of the numbering building blocks
(counters) that may account for the weird behavior.

Another possibility is some other tag is affecting the second-level
counter in the F: numbering sequence, even if it does not display a
number.  For example, a heading tag could have numbering properties of
F:n+ =0 to show only a single digit but reset the second-level
counter invisibly, Or even F:   =0 to neither show a number but
reset the second level counter.

One thing - do the number that initially misbehave display as 1, as the
last used number, or something else?  That may give you  a pointer on
tracking down where the numbering is going awry.

On Tuesday, May 15, 2007 02:39 PM, Art Campbell wrote:
 
| Sounds as if it's a legacy document that was never changed to support
| the $chapnum and $volnum variables that were introduced in 6.x.
| Assuming it's using chapter numbers as part of the numbering scheme,
| of course, correct strings would look something like:
| F:Figure $chapnumn+.
| 
| If you're not using chapter numbering, it may just be a case of not
| setting the numbering properties for the component chapters in the
| book file (which is where they must be set; not in each chapter).
| Highlight the chapters in the book file, right click, select
| numbering, and then set the numbering property to reset (assuming 
| you want to restart numbering in each chapter).
| 
| The other easy thing to check and fix is that the same set of
| paragraph tags are used book-wide. If there are typos in the
| numbering stream, that's also going to break things.
| 
| Art
| 
| On 5/15/07, Howard Rauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
|  I have been writing a number of service manuals for my 
| client. One problem I have been having is numbering figures 
| sequentially -- some will, some won't. The command line for 
| autonumbering in the client's template is  F:Figure  n+.
| 
|  For those that do not, I have to force the figure 
| numbering, that is, manually renumber that figure to the 
| number it should have. For example,  F:Figure  n=5. Then 
| some downstream figures will number correctly, but then I may 
| have two, three, or four consecutive figures with the same 
| numbers. Also in the figure tag list for cross-referencing, 
| figure numbers may be out of sequence, e.g. Figure 5 listed 
| before Figure 4.
| 
|  Several other items that are numbered in the manual are 
| certain headings (H:n.n+   =0 =0 =0 =0 =0\t), 
| items in lists (n:n+.\t) which also have a tag to start 
| with 1 again (n:n=1.\t), and procedural steps (n=1.\t and 
| n+.\t). Tables are not numbered.
| 
|  Although manually renumbering figures solves the problem, 
| as you are aware, it creates other  numbering problems if a 
| figure is removed in the future. any insights about how to 
| resolve t his issue?
| 
|  I am using Frame 7 with Windows XP Professional.
| 
|  Howard Rauch
| 
|  Technology Transfer, Inc.
|  Linking Creators and Users of Technology
|  933 North 18th Street
|  Manitowoc WI 54220
|  Office: 920-682-1528
|  Cell: 920-629-0080
| 
| -- 
| Art Campbell 
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|   ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a 
| '52 Vincent
|and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
|  No disclaimers apply.
|  DoD 358

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Figure Numbering Problem

[Howard Rauch]

I have been writing a number of service manuals for my client. One problem I 
have been having is numbering figures sequentially -- some will, some won't. 
The command line for autonumbering in the client's template is  F:Figure < 
>.

For those that do not, I have to force the figure numbering, that is, manually 
renumber that figure to the number it should have. For example,  F:Figure < 

Figure Numbering Problem

[Art Campbell]

Sounds as if it's a legacy document that was never changed to support
the <$chapnum> and <$volnum> variables that were introduced in 6.x.
Assuming it's using chapter numbers as part of the numbering scheme,
of course, correct strings would look something like:
F:Figure <$chapnum>.

If you're not using chapter numbering, it may just be a case of not
setting the numbering properties for the component chapters in the
book file (which is where they must be set; not in each chapter).
Highlight the chapters in the book file, right click, select
numbering, and then set the numbering property to reset (assuming you
want to restart numbering in each chapter).

The other easy thing to check and fix is that the same set of
paragraph tags are used book-wide. If there are typos in the numbering
stream, that's also going to break things.

Art



On 5/15/07, Howard Rauch  wrote:
> I have been writing a number of service manuals for my client. One problem I 
> have been having is numbering figures sequentially -- some will, some won't. 
> The command line for autonumbering in the client's template is  F:Figure < 
> >.
>
> For those that do not, I have to force the figure numbering, that is, 
> manually renumber that figure to the number it should have. For example,  
> F:Figure < 

Figure Numbering Problem

[Lester C. Smalley]

Are any of the figures inside either another text frame, or a table?

Numbering usually works extremely well, provided all the paragraph tags
are in the same text flow. Either of these instances creates a different
text flow and/or evaluation order of the numbering building blocks
(counters) that may account for the weird behavior.

Another possibility is some other tag is affecting the second-level
counter in the F: numbering sequence, even if it does not display a
number.  For example, a heading tag could have numbering properties of
F:< =0> to show only a single digit but reset the second-level
counter invisibly, Or even F: < >< =0> to neither show a number but
reset the second level counter.

One thing - do the number that initially misbehave display as 1, as the
last used number, or something else?  That may give you  a pointer on
tracking down where the numbering is going awry.

On Tuesday, May 15, 2007 02:39 PM, Art Campbell wrote:

| Sounds as if it's a legacy document that was never changed to support
| the <$chapnum> and <$volnum> variables that were introduced in 6.x.
| Assuming it's using chapter numbers as part of the numbering scheme,
| of course, correct strings would look something like:
| F:Figure <$chapnum>.
| 
| If you're not using chapter numbering, it may just be a case of not
| setting the numbering properties for the component chapters in the
| book file (which is where they must be set; not in each chapter).
| Highlight the chapters in the book file, right click, select
| numbering, and then set the numbering property to reset (assuming 
| you want to restart numbering in each chapter).
| 
| The other easy thing to check and fix is that the same set of
| paragraph tags are used book-wide. If there are typos in the
| numbering stream, that's also going to break things.
| 
| Art
| 
| On 5/15/07, Howard Rauch  wrote:
|
| > I have been writing a number of service manuals for my 
| client. One problem I have been having is numbering figures 
| sequentially -- some will, some won't. The command line for 
| autonumbering in the client's template is  F:Figure < >.
| >
| > For those that do not, I have to force the figure 
| numbering, that is, manually renumber that figure to the 
| number it should have. For example,  F:Figure < 

RE: Figure Numbering Problem

[MATT TODD]

Hi, Howard,

I had the exact same problem. I discovered that the problem was an
override.

I was working on a manual. I named the paragraph tag for my figure
titles Figure. When I copied portions of text with graphics from
another file into my manual, everything appeared to be just dandy, but a
few days later, I noticed the numbering snafoo.

The other file that I copied from had the same paragraph tag Figure
for figure titles, so I just assumed they were the same. They weren't.
In the Numbering properties, one had Figure: n+ and the other had
FIGURE: (n+ .

Here's how I solved the problem. In my manual, I found a figure title
that had the numbering that I wanted, selected it, then clicked update.
FM said there were overrides, and I clicked Remove Overrides, and things
have been happy ever since.

Matt

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Figure Numbering Problem

[MATT TODD]

Hi, Howard,

I had the exact same problem. I discovered that the problem was an
override.

I was working on a manual. I named the paragraph tag for my figure
titles "Figure". When I copied portions of text with graphics from
another file into my manual, everything appeared to be just dandy, but a
few days later, I noticed the numbering snafoo.

The other file that I copied from had the same paragraph tag "Figure"
for figure titles, so I just assumed they were the same. They weren't.
In the Numbering properties, one had "Figure: " and the other had
"FIGURE: (n+> ".

Here's how I solved the problem. In my manual, I found a figure title
that had the numbering that I wanted, selected it, then clicked update.
FM said there were overrides, and I clicked Remove Overrides, and things
have been happy ever since.

Matt

Re: Figure Numbering Problem

[Art Campbell]

A couple things to check:

First, have you verified that no other tags are using the X: numbering
track? Having another tag using the same track involved will screw up
the numbering in no time.

Second, check the numbering properties for the files to make sure that
para numbering is set to increment... Could be either in the chapter
file or the book file...

Art

On 2/14/07, Howard Rauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am having a problem numbering figures in service manuals developed by my 
client. The manuals are range from 3- to 40 pages. My job is to revise the 
client's existing manuals to account for annual updates and design changes for 
each of my client's products. We are both using FrameMaker 7.0 on a PC platform 
and a Windows XP operating system..

Figures are automatically numbered using a Figure tag for which the automatic 
numbering format X:Figure n+ (developed by the client). Most are smaller 
in-column figures with a ruling line around the figure frame. In previous versions of 
the manuals, the client had placed the figure numbers outside the frame, but now they 
have asked me to move them inside the frame, so I set up a text box inside the 
graphics frame and tag the text as Figure. What happens is that many times, figure 
numbers will repeat themselves. For example, I may have three or four consecutive 
figures numbered as Figure 4, followed by Figure 5 and two figures numbered as Figure 
6. All text is part of the same flow. The only way I have found to correct it is to 
override the automatic numbering with a specific figure number, which of course 
defeats the purpose of auto numbering.

The manual I am currently working on has 30 figures. I created the last 6 or 7 
and inserted the text box for the figure. When I tagged the text the numbers 
for each figure was identical. I also noticed in making cross-references that 
the figure numbers in the tag list were not in sequence. Example Figure 9 
appeared before Figure 8.

The only items automatically numbered in the manuals are page numbers in a footer on the 
underlying page and the figure numbers. Is it necessary to set up the automatic numbering 
format as X:Figure n+ =0?

Howard Rauch


Technology Transfer, Inc.
Linking Creators and Users of Technology
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
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RE: Figure Numbering Problem

[Reng, Winfried Dr.]

Hi,

You said that your numbered paragraphs are in text boxes.
Do you mean text frames? These won't be in the same text flow
as your regular text. Therefore that might account for any
pecularities.

Best regards

Winfried

 I am having a problem numbering figures in service manuals 
 developed by my client. The manuals are range from 3- to 40 
 pages. My job is to revise the client's existing manuals to 
 account for annual updates and design changes for each of my 
 client's products. We are both using FrameMaker 7.0 on a PC 
 platform and a Windows XP operating system..
  
 Figures are automatically numbered using a Figure tag for 
 which the automatic numbering format X:Figure n+ (developed 
 by the client). Most are smaller in-column figures with a 
 ruling line around the figure frame. In previous versions of 
 the manuals, the client had placed the figure numbers outside 
 the frame, but now they have asked me to move them inside the 
 frame, so I set up a text box inside the graphics frame and 
 tag the text as Figure. What happens is that many times, 
 figure numbers will repeat themselves. For example, I may 
 have three or four consecutive figures numbered as Figure 4, 
 followed by Figure 5 and two figures numbered as Figure 6. 
 All text is part of the same flow. The only way I have found 
 to correct it is to override the automatic numbering with a 
 specific figure number, which of course defeats the purpose 
 of auto numbering.
 
 The manual I am currently working on has 30 figures. I 
 created the last 6 or 7 and inserted the text box for the 
 figure. When I tagged the text the numbers for each figure 
 was identical. I also noticed in making cross-references that 
 the figure numbers in the tag list were not in sequence. 
 Example Figure 9 appeared before Figure 8.
  
 The only items automatically numbered in the manuals are page 
 numbers in a footer on the underlying page and the figure 
 numbers. Is it necessary to set up the automatic numbering 
 format as X:Figure n+ =0?
  
 Howard Rauch
 
  
 Technology Transfer, Inc.
 Linking Creators and Users of Technology
 933 North 18th Street
 Manitowoc WI 54220
 Office: 920-682-1528
 Cell: 920-629-0080
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Re: Figure Numbering Problem

[eric . dunn]

You won't like my answer, but it's the only solution I've found to the 
problem you describe.

You need to make a copy of the file, delete all anchored frames, then open 
the copy and working file side by side.
In the copy, use find to locate each anchored frame.
For each anchored frame, create a NEW frame in the working file. Use 
drag-and-drop, to move the illustration/figure, create a NEW text frame, 
use copy paste to copy the caption.
Repeat...

To avoid the problem, you must NEVER copy an anchored frame. When all 
anchored frames are created individually, I have never seem this problem. 
But when anchored frames are copied, from my experience, it's only a 
matter of time until the file corrupts.

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Re: Figure Numbering Problem

[Michael D. Conner]

This may be being caused by having a mixture of graphic frames and anchored
frames or text frames poorly placed in anchored frames.

I use a similar system for academic books and reports. Graphics are placed
in anchored frames with a text frame within it for the caption. In doing a
limited test, I put a text frame inside of a graphics frame. When I put in
two instances of this setup, the figure numbers did not increment. I think
the text frames and graphics have to be in anchored frames to increment
correctly, this keeps them in the text flow.

Sometimes, however, I've seen problems with figure numbers not incrementing
correctly. It seems to occur because the text frame with the caption is not
quite correctly placed within the anchored frame. I can cure this by cutting
the text frame, selecting the anchored frame, and pasting the text frame
back in.

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on 2/14/07 10:18 PM, Howard Rauch at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am having a problem numbering figures in service manuals developed by my
 client. The manuals are range from 3- to 40 pages. My job is to revise the
 client's existing manuals to account for annual updates and design changes for
 each of my client's products. We are both using FrameMaker 7.0 on a PC
 platform and a Windows XP operating system..
  
 Figures are automatically numbered using a Figure tag for which the automatic
 numbering format X:Figure n+ (developed by the client). Most are smaller
 in-column figures with a ruling line around the figure frame. In previous
 versions of the manuals, the client had placed the figure numbers outside the
 frame, but now they have asked me to move them inside the frame, so I set up a
 text box inside the graphics frame and tag the text as Figure. What happens is
 that many times, figure numbers will repeat themselves. For example, I may
 have three or four consecutive figures numbered as Figure 4, followed by
 Figure 5 and two figures numbered as Figure 6. All text is part of the same
 flow. The only way I have found to correct it is to override the automatic
 numbering with a specific figure number, which of course defeats the purpose
 of auto numbering.
 
 The manual I am currently working on has 30 figures. I created the last 6 or 7
 and inserted the text box for the figure. When I tagged the text the numbers
 for each figure was identical. I also noticed in making cross-references that
 the figure numbers in the tag list were not in sequence. Example Figure 9
 appeared before Figure 8.
  
 The only items automatically numbered in the manuals are page numbers in a
 footer on the underlying page and the figure numbers. Is it necessary to set
 up the automatic numbering format as X:Figure n+ =0?
  
 Howard Rauch
 
  
 Technology Transfer, Inc.
 Linking Creators and Users of Technology
 933 North 18th Street
 Manitowoc WI 54220
 Office: 920-682-1528
 Cell: 920-629-0080
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RE: Figure Numbering Problem

[Combs, Richard]

Howard Rauch wrote: 
  
 Figures are automatically numbered using a Figure tag for 
 which the automatic numbering format X:Figure n+ (developed 
 by the client). Most are smaller in-column figures with a 
 ruling line around the figure frame. In previous versions of 
 the manuals, the client had placed the figure numbers outside 
 the frame, but now they have asked me to move them inside the 
 frame, so I set up a text box inside the graphics frame and 
 tag the text as Figure. What happens is that many times, 
 figure numbers will repeat themselves. For example, I may 
 have three or four consecutive figures numbered as Figure 4, 
 followed by Figure 5 and two figures numbered as Figure 6. 
 All text is part of the same flow. The only way I have found 
 to correct it is to override the automatic numbering with a 
 specific figure number, which of course defeats the purpose 
 of auto numbering.

Don't put the figure caption in a text frame inside your anchored frame
-- as Winfried noted, that puts it in a different text flow. 

You can get the same effect by using a table to hold both the figure
caption and the anchored frame. You can use a single-cell table or put
the caption in one cell and the frame anchor in another. Turn off the
ruling line on the anchored frame and use table ruling settings to
create the box around both the caption and the figure. 

You'll have to experiment with the table format and the pgf formats to
get the spacing/alignment right. If you use two cells, save the table
format with the correct pgf in each cell (caption and anchor). Then,
each new instance of the table you create will be ready to go with those
pgfs.

If you use a single cell, either anchor the frame in the caption pgf or
set the caption pgf's Next Pgf Tag to the anchor pgf. Then, you can just
type the caption text, press enter to create the anchor pgf if needed,
and then press Esc f i f to import the graphic. 

HTH!
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Re: Figure Numbering Problem

[Steve Rickaby]

At 09:36 -0600 15/2/07, Michael D. Conner wrote:

Sometimes, however, I've seen problems with figure numbers not incrementing
correctly. It seems to occur because the text frame with the caption is not
quite correctly placed within the anchored frame. I can cure this by cutting
the text frame, selecting the anchored frame, and pasting the text frame
back in.

I have used the system described extensively without the problems described, no 
matter how much copying and pasting of figures I do. I guess I've been lucky.

As I understand it, the issue is: to which flow does a text frame that does not 
have a flow tag, but lies within an anchored frame that itself lies within a  
flow that does have a flow tag, belong? I had trouble with this sentence, so I 
guess FrameMaker might have trouble with the set-up.

However, clearly you don't want to be giving text frames inside anchored frame 
their own flow tags, or all hell would break loose. Or would it?

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Re: Figure Numbering Problem

[Michael D. Conner]

on 2/15/07 12:21 PM, Combs, Richard at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Don't put the figure caption in a text frame inside your anchored frame
 -- as Winfried noted, that puts it in a different text flow.

This is incorrect. A text frame inside an anchored frame has the same Flow
Tag as the text containing the anchored frame, at least it does when there
is only one text flow in a document. I've never worked with multiple text
flows, so I don't know what would happen then, but suspect the answer would
be the same. On the other hand, a text frame in a graphic frame has no text
flow tag.

Mike Conner


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Re: Figure Numbering Problem

[Stuart Rogers]

Michael D. Conner wrote:



on 2/15/07 12:21 PM, Combs, Richard at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Don't put the figure caption in a text frame inside your anchored frame
-- as Winfried noted, that puts it in a different text flow.


This is incorrect. A text frame inside an anchored frame has the same Flow
Tag as the text containing the anchored frame, at least it does when there
is only one text flow in a document. 


Not in my version (7.0, Windoze). A text frame inside an anchored frame 
has no flow tag in the Properties dialog box, and if I try to assign it 
flow A, an error message tells me that that flow already exists and if I 
want to use it I must connect the frames.



On the other hand, a text frame in a graphic frame has no text
flow tag.

In my version, text frames behave identically in anchored or graphic 
frames. They have no flow tag and I cannot assign an existing flow tag.


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RE: Figure Numbering Problem

[Combs, Richard]

Michael D. Conner wrote: 
 
 on 2/15/07 12:21 PM, Combs, Richard at 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Don't put the figure caption in a text frame inside your anchored 
  frame
  -- as Winfried noted, that puts it in a different text flow.
 
 This is incorrect. A text frame inside an anchored frame has 
 the same Flow Tag as the text containing the anchored frame, 
 at least it does when there is only one text flow in a 
 document. I've never worked with multiple text flows, so I 
 don't know what would happen then, but suspect the answer 
 would be the same. On the other hand, a text frame in a 
 graphic frame has no text flow tag.

Are you sure, Michael? I just tested this. I created a text frame inside
an anchored frame. Then I created a graphics frame, and created a second
text frame inside that. In the Object Properties dialog, neither text
frame has a Flow Tag. 

It may be the case that FM can figure out the object order (dependency,
hierarchy -- whatever you call it) when the text frame is in the
anchored frame -- it's only one nested object removed from the flow,
kind of like a table cell.  Maybe FM only gets confused if there are
additional layers, like a graphic frame object, or some other
complicating factor. 

In any case, Howard's numbering problem has plagued others as well.
Using a table instead of putting the caption inside the anchored frame
avoids the problem, however it's triggered. 

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Re: Figure Numbering Problem

[Michael D. Conner]

Very strange. I should have done more testing. I swear that the only
instance I checked before spouting off is the way I wrote.  In rechecking, I
found subsequent text frames in anchored frames didn't have flow tags. I
checked another report and couldn't find any text frames in anchored frames
with flow tags.  Why that one is different, I have no idea. I'll send a
screen shot if anybody doesn't believe me. This on Mac FM 7.0.

Regardless, the autonumbering within such text frames has always worked
except for occasional glitches that were overcome by cutting the text frame
and pasting it back in the anchored frame.


Mike



on 2/15/07 2:38 PM, Combs, Richard at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Michael D. Conner wrote:
  
 on 2/15/07 12:21 PM, Combs, Richard at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Don't put the figure caption in a text frame inside your anchored
 frame
 -- as Winfried noted, that puts it in a different text flow.
 
 This is incorrect. A text frame inside an anchored frame has
 the same Flow Tag as the text containing the anchored frame,
 at least it does when there is only one text flow in a
 document. I've never worked with multiple text flows, so I
 don't know what would happen then, but suspect the answer
 would be the same. On the other hand, a text frame in a
 graphic frame has no text flow tag.
 
 Are you sure, Michael? I just tested this. I created a text frame inside
 an anchored frame. Then I created a graphics frame, and created a second
 text frame inside that. In the Object Properties dialog, neither text
 frame has a Flow Tag.
 
 It may be the case that FM can figure out the object order (dependency,
 hierarchy -- whatever you call it) when the text frame is in the
 anchored frame -- it's only one nested object removed from the flow,
 kind of like a table cell.  Maybe FM only gets confused if there are
 additional layers, like a graphic frame object, or some other
 complicating factor.
 
 In any case, Howard's numbering problem has plagued others as well.
 Using a table instead of putting the caption inside the anchored frame
 avoids the problem, however it's triggered.
 
 Richard
 
 
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Re: Figure Numbering Problem

[Howard Rauch]

First, thank you to all who have responded so far. I haven't yet had an 
opportunity to evaluate and implement your suggestions, but I certainly will. I 
had thought of doing what Eric Dunne suggested, but had held off trying that 
solution.

Second, I should have identified the location of the figure number as atext 
frame instead of a text box. Work I do for another client usually has mostly 
full page figures (anchored frames) with multiple graphics frames inside -- 
often as many as 14 or 15 -- and a text frame with the figure number and there 
has never been a problem. This is one reason why it baffles me so. OTH, that 
client uses tiff files, not eps.

Howard Rauch
 
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Linking Creators and Users of Technology
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
Office: 920-682-1528
Cell: 920-629-0080



- Original Message 
From: Howard Rauch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:18:38 PM
Subject: Figure Numbering Problem


I am having a problem numbering figures in service manuals developed by my 
client. The manuals are range from 3- to 40 pages. My job is to revise the 
client's existing manuals to account for annual updates and design changes for 
each of my client's products. We are both using FrameMaker 7.0 on a PC platform 
and a Windows XP operating system.. 
 
Figures are automatically numbered using a Figure tag for which the automatic 
numbering format X:Figure n+ (developed by the client). Most are smaller 
in-column figures with a ruling line around the figure frame. In previous 
versions of the manuals, the client had placed the figure numbers outside the 
frame, but now they have asked me to move them inside the frame, so I set up a 
text box inside the graphics frame and tag the text as Figure. What happens is 
that many times, figure numbers will repeat themselves. For example, I may have 
three or four consecutive figures numbered as Figure 4, followed by Figure 5 
and two figures numbered as Figure 6. All text is part of the same flow. The 
only way I have found to correct it is to override the automatic numbering with 
a specific figure number, which of course defeats the purpose of auto numbering.
 
The manual I am currently working on has 30 figures. I created the last 6 or 7 
and inserted the text box for the figure. When I tagged the text the numbers 
for each figure was identical. I also noticed in making cross-references that 
the figure numbers in the tag list were not in sequence. Example Figure 9 
appeared before Figure 8.
 
The only items automatically numbered in the manuals are page numbers in a 
footer on the underlying page and the figure numbers. Is it necessary to set up 
the automatic numbering format as X:Figure n+ =0?
 
Howard Rauch

 
Technology Transfer, Inc.
Linking Creators and Users of Technology
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
Office: 920-682-1528
Cell: 920-629-0080
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Figure Numbering Problem

[Art Campbell]

A couple things to check:

First, have you verified that no other tags are using the X: numbering
track? Having another tag using the same track involved will screw up
the numbering in no time.

Second, check the numbering properties for the files to make sure that
para numbering is set to increment... Could be either in the chapter
file or the book file...

Art

On 2/14/07, Howard Rauch  wrote:
> I am having a problem numbering figures in service manuals developed by my 
> client. The manuals are range from 3- to 40 pages. My job is to revise the 
> client's existing manuals to account for annual updates and design changes 
> for each of my client's products. We are both using FrameMaker 7.0 on a PC 
> platform and a Windows XP operating system..
>
> Figures are automatically numbered using a Figure tag for which the automatic 
> numbering format X:Figure  (developed by the client). Most are smaller 
> in-column figures with a ruling line around the figure frame. In previous 
> versions of the manuals, the client had placed the figure numbers outside the 
> frame, but now they have asked me to move them inside the frame, so I set up 
> a text box inside the graphics frame and tag the text as Figure. What happens 
> is that many times, figure numbers will repeat themselves. For example, I may 
> have three or four consecutive figures numbered as Figure 4, followed by 
> Figure 5 and two figures numbered as Figure 6. All text is part of the same 
> flow. The only way I have found to correct it is to override the automatic 
> numbering with a specific figure number, which of course defeats the purpose 
> of auto numbering.
>
> The manual I am currently working on has 30 figures. I created the last 6 or 
> 7 and inserted the text box for the figure. When I tagged the text the 
> numbers for each figure was identical. I also noticed in making 
> cross-references that the figure numbers in the tag list were not in 
> sequence. Example Figure 9 appeared before Figure 8.
>
> The only items automatically numbered in the manuals are page numbers in a 
> footer on the underlying page and the figure numbers. Is it necessary to set 
> up the automatic numbering format as X:Figure < =0>?
>
> Howard Rauch
>
>
> Technology Transfer, Inc.
> "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
> 933 North 18th Street
> Manitowoc WI 54220
> Office: 920-682-1528
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Figure Numbering Problem

[Reng, Winfried Dr.]

Hi,

You said that your numbered paragraphs are in "text boxes".
Do you mean text frames? These won't be in the same text flow
as your regular text. Therefore that might account for any
pecularities.

Best regards

Winfried

> I am having a problem numbering figures in service manuals 
> developed by my client. The manuals are range from 3- to 40 
> pages. My job is to revise the client's existing manuals to 
> account for annual updates and design changes for each of my 
> client's products. We are both using FrameMaker 7.0 on a PC 
> platform and a Windows XP operating system..
>  
> Figures are automatically numbered using a Figure tag for 
> which the automatic numbering format X:Figure  (developed 
> by the client). Most are smaller in-column figures with a 
> ruling line around the figure frame. In previous versions of 
> the manuals, the client had placed the figure numbers outside 
> the frame, but now they have asked me to move them inside the 
> frame, so I set up a text box inside the graphics frame and 
> tag the text as Figure. What happens is that many times, 
> figure numbers will repeat themselves. For example, I may 
> have three or four consecutive figures numbered as Figure 4, 
> followed by Figure 5 and two figures numbered as Figure 6. 
> All text is part of the same flow. The only way I have found 
> to correct it is to override the automatic numbering with a 
> specific figure number, which of course defeats the purpose 
> of auto numbering.
> 
> The manual I am currently working on has 30 figures. I 
> created the last 6 or 7 and inserted the text box for the 
> figure. When I tagged the text the numbers for each figure 
> was identical. I also noticed in making cross-references that 
> the figure numbers in the tag list were not in sequence. 
> Example Figure 9 appeared before Figure 8.
>  
> The only items automatically numbered in the manuals are page 
> numbers in a footer on the underlying page and the figure 
> numbers. Is it necessary to set up the automatic numbering 
> format as X:Figure < =0>?
>  
> Howard Rauch
> 
>  
> Technology Transfer, Inc.
> "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
> 933 North 18th Street
> Manitowoc WI 54220
> Office: 920-682-1528
> Cell: 920-629-0080

Figure Numbering Problem

[eric.d...@ca.transport.bombardier.com]

You won't like my answer, but it's the only solution I've found to the 
problem you describe.

You need to make a copy of the file, delete all anchored frames, then open 
the copy and working file side by side.
In the copy, use find to locate each anchored frame.
For each anchored frame, create a NEW frame in the working file. Use 
drag-and-drop, to move the illustration/figure, create a NEW text frame, 
use copy paste to copy the caption.
Repeat...

To avoid the problem, you must NEVER copy an anchored frame. When all 
anchored frames are created individually, I have never seem this problem. 
But when anchored frames are copied, from my experience, it's only a 
matter of time until the file corrupts.

Eric L. Dunn
Senior Technical Writer

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Figure Numbering Problem

[Michael D. Conner]

This may be being caused by having a mixture of graphic frames and anchored
frames or text frames poorly placed in anchored frames.

I use a similar system for academic books and reports. Graphics are placed
in anchored frames with a text frame within it for the caption. In doing a
limited test, I put a text frame inside of a graphics frame. When I put in
two instances of this setup, the figure numbers did not increment. I think
the text frames and graphics have to be in anchored frames to increment
correctly, this keeps them in the text flow.

Sometimes, however, I've seen problems with figure numbers not incrementing
correctly. It seems to occur because the text frame with the caption is not
quite correctly placed within the anchored frame. I can cure this by cutting
the text frame, selecting the anchored frame, and pasting the text frame
back in.

Mike


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on 2/14/07 10:18 PM, Howard Rauch at techtransfer at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> I am having a problem numbering figures in service manuals developed by my
> client. The manuals are range from 3- to 40 pages. My job is to revise the
> client's existing manuals to account for annual updates and design changes for
> each of my client's products. We are both using FrameMaker 7.0 on a PC
> platform and a Windows XP operating system..
>  
> Figures are automatically numbered using a Figure tag for which the automatic
> numbering format X:Figure  (developed by the client). Most are smaller
> in-column figures with a ruling line around the figure frame. In previous
> versions of the manuals, the client had placed the figure numbers outside the
> frame, but now they have asked me to move them inside the frame, so I set up a
> text box inside the graphics frame and tag the text as Figure. What happens is
> that many times, figure numbers will repeat themselves. For example, I may
> have three or four consecutive figures numbered as Figure 4, followed by
> Figure 5 and two figures numbered as Figure 6. All text is part of the same
> flow. The only way I have found to correct it is to override the automatic
> numbering with a specific figure number, which of course defeats the purpose
> of auto numbering.
> 
> The manual I am currently working on has 30 figures. I created the last 6 or 7
> and inserted the text box for the figure. When I tagged the text the numbers
> for each figure was identical. I also noticed in making cross-references that
> the figure numbers in the tag list were not in sequence. Example Figure 9
> appeared before Figure 8.
>  
> The only items automatically numbered in the manuals are page numbers in a
> footer on the underlying page and the figure numbers. Is it necessary to set
> up the automatic numbering format as X:Figure < =0>?
>  
> Howard Rauch
> 
>  
> Technology Transfer, Inc.
> "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
> 933 North 18th Street
> Manitowoc WI 54220
> Office: 920-682-1528
> Cell: 920-629-0080
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Figure Numbering Problem

[Combs, Richard]

Howard Rauch wrote: 

> Figures are automatically numbered using a Figure tag for 
> which the automatic numbering format X:Figure  (developed 
> by the client). Most are smaller in-column figures with a 
> ruling line around the figure frame. In previous versions of 
> the manuals, the client had placed the figure numbers outside 
> the frame, but now they have asked me to move them inside the 
> frame, so I set up a text box inside the graphics frame and 
> tag the text as Figure. What happens is that many times, 
> figure numbers will repeat themselves. For example, I may 
> have three or four consecutive figures numbered as Figure 4, 
> followed by Figure 5 and two figures numbered as Figure 6. 
> All text is part of the same flow. The only way I have found 
> to correct it is to override the automatic numbering with a 
> specific figure number, which of course defeats the purpose 
> of auto numbering.

Don't put the figure caption in a text frame inside your anchored frame
-- as Winfried noted, that puts it in a different text flow. 

You can get the same effect by using a table to hold both the figure
caption and the anchored frame. You can use a single-cell table or put
the caption in one cell and the frame anchor in another. Turn off the
ruling line on the anchored frame and use table ruling settings to
create the "box" around both the caption and the figure. 

You'll have to experiment with the table format and the pgf formats to
get the spacing/alignment right. If you use two cells, save the table
format with the correct pgf in each cell (caption and anchor). Then,
each new instance of the table you create will be ready to go with those
pgfs.

If you use a single cell, either anchor the frame in the caption pgf or
set the caption pgf's Next Pgf Tag to the anchor pgf. Then, you can just
type the caption text, press enter to create the anchor pgf if needed,
and then press Esc f i f to import the graphic. 

HTH!
Richard


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Figure Numbering Problem

[Steve Rickaby]

At 09:36 -0600 15/2/07, Michael D. Conner wrote:

>Sometimes, however, I've seen problems with figure numbers not incrementing
>correctly. It seems to occur because the text frame with the caption is not
>quite correctly placed within the anchored frame. I can cure this by cutting
>the text frame, selecting the anchored frame, and pasting the text frame
>back in.

I have used the system described extensively without the problems described, no 
matter how much copying and pasting of figures I do. I guess I've been lucky.

As I understand it, the issue is: to which flow does a text frame that does not 
have a flow tag, but lies within an anchored frame that itself lies within a  
flow that does have a flow tag, belong? I had trouble with this sentence, so I 
guess FrameMaker might have trouble with the set-up.

However, clearly you don't want to be giving text frames inside anchored frame 
their own flow tags, or all hell would break loose. Or would it?

-- 
Steve

Figure Numbering Problem

[Michael D. Conner]

on 2/15/07 12:21 PM, Combs, Richard at richard.combs at Polycom.com wrote:

> Don't put the figure caption in a text frame inside your anchored frame
> -- as Winfried noted, that puts it in a different text flow.

This is incorrect. A text frame inside an anchored frame has the same Flow
Tag as the text containing the anchored frame, at least it does when there
is only one text flow in a document. I've never worked with multiple text
flows, so I don't know what would happen then, but suspect the answer would
be the same. On the other hand, a text frame in a graphic frame has no text
flow tag.

Mike Conner

Figure Numbering Problem

[Stuart Rogers]

Michael D. Conner wrote:
> 
> 
> on 2/15/07 12:21 PM, Combs, Richard at richard.combs at Polycom.com wrote:
> 
>> Don't put the figure caption in a text frame inside your anchored frame
>> -- as Winfried noted, that puts it in a different text flow.
> 
> This is incorrect. A text frame inside an anchored frame has the same Flow
> Tag as the text containing the anchored frame, at least it does when there
> is only one text flow in a document. 

Not in my version (7.0, Windoze). A text frame inside an anchored frame 
has no flow tag in the Properties dialog box, and if I try to assign it 
flow A, an error message tells me that that flow already exists and if I 
want to use it I must connect the frames.

>On the other hand, a text frame in a graphic frame has no text
> flow tag.
> 
In my version, text frames behave identically in anchored or graphic 
frames. They have no flow tag and I cannot assign an existing flow tag.

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Figure Numbering Problem

[Combs, Richard]

Michael D. Conner wrote: 

> on 2/15/07 12:21 PM, Combs, Richard at 
> richard.combs at Polycom.com wrote:
> 
> > Don't put the figure caption in a text frame inside your anchored 
> > frame
> > -- as Winfried noted, that puts it in a different text flow.
> 
> This is incorrect. A text frame inside an anchored frame has 
> the same Flow Tag as the text containing the anchored frame, 
> at least it does when there is only one text flow in a 
> document. I've never worked with multiple text flows, so I 
> don't know what would happen then, but suspect the answer 
> would be the same. On the other hand, a text frame in a 
> graphic frame has no text flow tag.

Are you sure, Michael? I just tested this. I created a text frame inside
an anchored frame. Then I created a graphics frame, and created a second
text frame inside that. In the Object Properties dialog, neither text
frame has a Flow Tag. 

It may be the case that FM can figure out the object order (dependency,
hierarchy -- whatever you call it) when the text frame is in the
anchored frame -- it's only one nested object removed from the flow,
kind of like a table cell.  Maybe FM only gets confused if there are
additional "layers," like a graphic frame object, or some other
complicating factor. 

In any case, Howard's numbering problem has plagued others as well.
Using a table instead of putting the caption inside the anchored frame
avoids the problem, however it's triggered. 

Richard


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Figure Numbering Problem

[Michael D. Conner]

Very strange. I should have done more testing. I swear that the only
instance I checked before spouting off is the way I wrote.  In rechecking, I
found subsequent text frames in anchored frames didn't have flow tags. I
checked another report and couldn't find any text frames in anchored frames
with flow tags.  Why that one is different, I have no idea. I'll send a
screen shot if anybody doesn't believe me. This on Mac FM 7.0.

Regardless, the autonumbering within such text frames has always worked
except for occasional glitches that were overcome by cutting the text frame
and pasting it back in the anchored frame.


Mike



on 2/15/07 2:38 PM, Combs, Richard at richard.combs at Polycom.com wrote:

> Michael D. Conner wrote:
>  
>> on 2/15/07 12:21 PM, Combs, Richard at
>> richard.combs at Polycom.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Don't put the figure caption in a text frame inside your anchored
>>> frame
>>> -- as Winfried noted, that puts it in a different text flow.
>> 
>> This is incorrect. A text frame inside an anchored frame has
>> the same Flow Tag as the text containing the anchored frame,
>> at least it does when there is only one text flow in a
>> document. I've never worked with multiple text flows, so I
>> don't know what would happen then, but suspect the answer
>> would be the same. On the other hand, a text frame in a
>> graphic frame has no text flow tag.
> 
> Are you sure, Michael? I just tested this. I created a text frame inside
> an anchored frame. Then I created a graphics frame, and created a second
> text frame inside that. In the Object Properties dialog, neither text
> frame has a Flow Tag.
> 
> It may be the case that FM can figure out the object order (dependency,
> hierarchy -- whatever you call it) when the text frame is in the
> anchored frame -- it's only one nested object removed from the flow,
> kind of like a table cell.  Maybe FM only gets confused if there are
> additional "layers," like a graphic frame object, or some other
> complicating factor.
> 
> In any case, Howard's numbering problem has plagued others as well.
> Using a table instead of putting the caption inside the anchored frame
> avoids the problem, however it's triggered.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
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> 303-777-0436
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> 
> 
> 
> 

Figure Numbering Problem

[Howard Rauch]

First, thank you to all who have responded so far. I haven't yet had an 
opportunity to evaluate and implement your suggestions, but I certainly will. I 
had thought of doing what Eric Dunne suggested, but had held off trying that 
solution.

Second, I should have identified the location of the figure number as a"text 
frame" instead of a "text box." Work I do for another client usually has mostly 
full page figures (anchored frames) with multiple graphics frames inside -- 
often as many as 14 or 15 -- and a text frame with the figure number and there 
has never been a problem. This is one reason why it baffles me so. OTH, that 
client uses tiff files, not eps.

Howard Rauch

Technology Transfer, Inc.
"Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
Office: 920-682-1528
Cell: 920-629-0080



- Original Message 
From: Howard Rauch <techtrans...@sbcglobal.net>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:18:38 PM
Subject: Figure Numbering Problem


I am having a problem numbering figures in service manuals developed by my 
client. The manuals are range from 3- to 40 pages. My job is to revise the 
client's existing manuals to account for annual updates and design changes for 
each of my client's products. We are both using FrameMaker 7.0 on a PC platform 
and a Windows XP operating system.. 

Figures are automatically numbered using a Figure tag for which the automatic 
numbering format X:Figure <n+> (developed by the client). Most are smaller 
in-column figures with a ruling line around the figure frame. In previous 
versions of the manuals, the client had placed the figure numbers outside the 
frame, but now they have asked me to move them inside the frame, so I set up a 
text box inside the graphics frame and tag the text as Figure. What happens is 
that many times, figure numbers will repeat themselves. For example, I may have 
three or four consecutive figures numbered as Figure 4, followed by Figure 5 
and two figures numbered as Figure 6. All text is part of the same flow. The 
only way I have found to correct it is to override the automatic numbering with 
a specific figure number, which of course defeats the purpose of auto numbering.

The manual I am currently working on has 30 figures. I created the last 6 or 7 
and inserted the text box for the figure. When I tagged the text the numbers 
for each figure was identical. I also noticed in making cross-references that 
the figure numbers in the tag list were not in sequence. Example Figure 9 
appeared before Figure 8.

The only items automatically numbered in the manuals are page numbers in a 
footer on the underlying page and the figure numbers. Is it necessary to set up 
the automatic numbering format as X:Figure <n+>< =0>?

Howard Rauch


Technology Transfer, Inc.
"Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
Office: 920-682-1528
Cell: 920-629-0080

Figure Numbering Problem

[Howard Rauch]

I am having a problem numbering figures in service manuals developed by my 
client. The manuals are range from 3- to 40 pages. My job is to revise the 
client's existing manuals to account for annual updates and design changes for 
each of my client's products. We are both using FrameMaker 7.0 on a PC platform 
and a Windows XP operating system..

Figures are automatically numbered using a Figure tag for which the automatic 
numbering format X:Figure  (developed by the client). Most are smaller 
in-column figures with a ruling line around the figure frame. In previous 
versions of the manuals, the client had placed the figure numbers outside the 
frame, but now they have asked me to move them inside the frame, so I set up a 
text box inside the graphics frame and tag the text as Figure. What happens is 
that many times, figure numbers will repeat themselves. For example, I may have 
three or four consecutive figures numbered as Figure 4, followed by Figure 5 
and two figures numbered as Figure 6. All text is part of the same flow. The 
only way I have found to correct it is to override the automatic numbering with 
a specific figure number, which of course defeats the purpose of auto numbering.

The manual I am currently working on has 30 figures. I created the last 6 or 7 
and inserted the text box for the figure. When I tagged the text the numbers 
for each figure was identical. I also noticed in making cross-references that 
the figure numbers in the tag list were not in sequence. Example Figure 9 
appeared before Figure 8.

The only items automatically numbered in the manuals are page numbers in a 
footer on the underlying page and the figure numbers. Is it necessary to set up 
the automatic numbering format as X:Figure < =0>?

Howard Rauch


Technology Transfer, Inc.
"Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
Office: 920-682-1528
Cell: 920-629-0080