Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer
As of tonight (June 19th), the HP Compaq web site still lists their top-end notebooks with Vista downgrade to Windows XP as an optional OS. My HP/Compaq nw8000 has given excellent service. The HP Compaq 8710w available now is a relatively costly computer but inexpensive when you consider its

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Rene Stephenson
I know what you mean. My largest client's IT UBER-POLICY steers way too many decisions in my home computing due to our client relationship. If I had *time* to do it, I'd go pick up all the networking and Cisco certs I could get my hands on, just so that I could get this stuff jiving the way I

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Stuart Rogers
Rene Stephenson wrote: They're rolling out Office 2007 on site, and most of the workers initially gripe about the interface but then find that it's more like hopping into a tub of hot water: if you sit there long enough, it doesn't *feel* hot anymore. I'm reminded of a cartoon I saw many

RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Dov Isaacs
The 8710w is a fantastic system. Omit the BlueRay drive and the cost isn't particularly bad. And if you take care of it and can get four years of service out of it (typically what I get out of my notebook systems), the extra cost per day compared to el'cheapo configurations is really minimum. Oh,

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Rene Stephenson
Am I correct to understand that anything more than 3GB of RAM is wasted unless you're running Vista? Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] The 8710w is a fantastic system. Omit the BlueRay drive and the cost isn't particularly bad. And if you

RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Syed.Hosain
Am I correct to understand that anything more than 3GB of RAM is wasted unless you're running Vista? Generally speaking, yes, with almost all of the Windows XP versions (i.e., Windows XP 64-bit, of course!). You would need Vista 64-bit to get more than 4GB. Also, note that, in many cases, there

RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Dov Isaacs
-bit versions of Intel and AMD processors that removes that restriction. In other words, Vista 32 won't help you on this. - Dov From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:16 PM To: Dov Isaacs; Dennis Brunnenmeyer; FrameUsers List Subject: Re: How FM use

RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Syed.Hosain
Am I correct to understand that anything more than 3GB of RAM is wasted unless you're running Vista? Generally speaking, yes, with almost all of the Windows XP versions (i.e., Windows XP 64-bit, of course!). You would need Vista 64-bit to get more than 4GB. Argh! Above, I meant to say

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Rene Stephenson
Trialware/shovelware is a PITA, just one more thing to muddle through when you buy a computer, as if installing all the gobs of software and plugins that you really DO need and twiddling with all the UI settings isn't timeconsuming enough—which is precisely why my new desktop is still in the

RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC
to smell pretty delicious!! DJ -Original Message- From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 3:27 PM To: Stuart Rogers Cc: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions Or the old adage

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer
As of tonight (June 19th), the HP Compaq web site still lists their top-end notebooks with "Vista downgrade to Windows XP" as an optional OS. My HP/Compaq nw8000 has given excellent service. The HP Compaq 8710w available now is a relatively costly computer but inexpensive when you consider

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Art Campbell
And there are hundreds of Dell laptops with XP in their Outlet store, which is always my favorite spot for saving a few bucks while shopping. Art On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer wrote: > As of tonight (June 19th), the HP Compaq web site still lists their > top-end notebooks

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Rene Stephenson
I know what you mean. My largest client's IT UBER-POLICY steers way too many decisions in my home computing due to our client relationship. If I had *time* to do it, I'd go pick up all the networking and Cisco certs I could get my hands on, just so that I could get this stuff jiving the way I

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Stuart Rogers
Rene Stephenson wrote: >They're > rolling out Office 2007 on site, and most of the workers initially > gripe about the interface but then find that it's more like hopping > into a tub of hot water: if you sit there long enough, it doesn't > *feel* hot anymore. > I'm reminded of a cartoon I saw

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Dov Isaacs
The 8710w is a fantastic system. Omit the BlueRay drive and the cost isn't particularly bad. And if you take care of it and can get four years of service out of it (typically what I get out of my notebook systems), the extra cost per day compared to el'cheapo configurations is really minimum. Oh,

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Rene Stephenson
Am I correct to understand that anything more than 3GB of RAM is wasted unless you're running Vista? Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Dov Isaacs The 8710w is a fantastic system. Omit the BlueRay drive and the cost isn't particularly bad. And if you

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Rene Stephenson
Or the old adage that to boil a frog, you put it in a pot of cold water and turn up the heat gradually, because the frog will pass out before it notices the increased temperature. Not that frog soup is on my menu Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Stuart Rogers

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net
> Am I correct to understand that anything more than 3GB of RAM is wasted unless you're running Vista? Generally speaking, yes, with almost all of the Windows XP versions (i.e., Windows XP 64-bit, of course!). You would need Vista 64-bit to get more than 4GB. Also, note that, in many cases,

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Dov Isaacs
use impacts purchasing decisions Am I correct to understand that anything more than 3GB of RAM is wasted unless you're running Vista? Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Dov Isaacs <isa...@adobe.com> The 8710w is a fantastic system. Omit the BlueRay drive and the cost

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net
> > Am I correct to understand that anything more than 3GB of RAM is > wasted unless you're running Vista? > > Generally speaking, yes, with almost all of the Windows XP versions > (i.e., Windows XP 64-bit, of course!). You would need Vista 64-bit to > get more than 4GB. Argh! Above, I meant to

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Rene Stephenson
Trialware/shovelware is a PITA, just one more thing to muddle through when you buy a computer, as if installing all the gobs of software and plugins that you really DO need and twiddling with all the UI settings isn't timeconsuming enough?which is precisely why my new desktop is still in the

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-20 Thread Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC
to smell pretty delicious!! DJ -Original Message- From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:rinn...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 3:27 PM To: Stuart Rogers Cc: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
Thanks, Art. You're right, I'm still warped back in time to the concept that Vista is the new kid on the block with all the inherent don't buy it until they work the bugs out cloud. My main client has UNIX/Linux servers, and I'll be setting up a server at home whenever the basement finish-out

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, Rene: Windows XP official support is supposed to end soon. Windows XP won't be shipped with Intel Macs after the end of June, I believe. I think the same applies to PCs. So, Vista is not just a preference, it's a deadline. There's no compelling reason to avoid an XP-based machine. By this

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
Thanks! July 2nd is closer to my funding availability than this week is. :o) I have used Dell desktops, and I have borrowed a Dell Latitude from time to time. I also used to own an IBM ThinkPad (which I loved, although it was almost prohibitively proprietary and heavy as lead). I saw a Dell

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Pat Christenson
I run FrameMaker on my Mac laptop on a Windows virtual machine using Parallels software. It's a little slower than in a straight Windows environment but worth it to me because FrameMaker is the only thing I need Windows for. I run everything else in the Mac environment and share files

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Stuart Rogers
Rene Stephenson wrote: Hi All, My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so it's getting time to start the process of identifying the next workhorse for me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very heavily. Any testimonials of your laptop successes are more than

RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Kelly McDaniel
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rene Stephenson Sent: 2008-06-19 10:30 To: Art Campbell Cc: FrameUsers List Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions Thanks, Art. You're right, I'm still warped back in time to the concept that Vista is the new kid on the block with all the inherent don't buy

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
Thanks, Peter. I was one of the daring few who jumped into the first version of the then newly available laptop dual core Intel chipset. Unfortunately, that chipset was discontinued after 6 weeks' production due to lack of support for power save features. If I had been more cunning, I would

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Art Campbell
If you use a 10-key a lot, why not use an external so you can go with a smaller laptop? Looks as if there are lots of options, including some that include a mouse... Such as: http://www.provantage.com/scripts/search.dll?QUERY=USB+numeric+keypadSubmit.x=0Submit.y=0 Art On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at

RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Sam Beard
Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rene Stephenson Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:52 AM To: FrameUsers List Subject: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions Hi All, My PC laptop

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
Cool! Definitely a viable solution. THANKS Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you use a 10-key a lot, why not use an external so you can go with a smaller laptop? Looks as if there are lots of options, including some that include a mouse...

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Sarah O'Keefe
Rene Stephenson wrote: I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that will entail. I purchased a laptop with Vista last October. I am THIS

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Rene Whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of buying a Windows-based laptop with VISTA installed on it, hoping to *upgrade* to Windows XP. In some cases, this is possible, but look into it first. With brand new hardware designed for VISTA, you may not be able to find XP-suitable

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Kelly McDaniel
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
Thanks for your candid insight, Sarah. Are any bits of your litany addressed with Vista SP1? Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Sarah O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's probably worth switching just to avoid Vista. If you can get XP, great, but if your choices are a) Vista or

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Peter Gold
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Sarah O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rene Stephenson wrote: I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor

RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Sam Beard
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:13 PM To: Sarah O'Keefe Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Sarah O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rene Stephenson wrote: I have gotten

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Peter Gold
Thanks for clarifying this, Sam. I was thinking of non-Apple Mac resellers who pre-install Windows for their customers, or sell a virtual product and a Windows version with their MacTels. The Mad resellers are barred from selling XP just as the PC resellers are. On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:43 PM,

RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah O'Keefe Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions Rene Stephenson wrote: I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, and I

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
Thanks for the CMS reminder, DJ, as well as the giggles. :o) I think the Wikipedia article Milan posted indicates XP SP2 support through July 2010, even though new licenses aren't supposed to be available after June 2008. Maybe over the next two years a better option will emerge from the

RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Sam Beard
690-1711 Ext. 222 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:12 PM To: Sam Beard Cc: Sarah O'Keefe; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions Thanks

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
I sort of stubbed my toe on another issue that's going to affect this: I have to be able to synch my calendar, contacts, and tasks to a PDA/SmartPhone. I'm beginning to think the only choice remaining is wait and pay more total for a MacBook and next generation of iPhone; or jump right away to

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Paul Findon
Hi Rene, If Adobe had done the right thing by its customers and given us FrameMaker for Mac OS X, we wouldn't be having this conversation, but... I know several people who run Windows FrameMaker on their Intel Macs with Parallels. I've not tried it with FrameMaker, but My son had been on

RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC
] Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions Thanks for the CMS reminder, DJ, as well as the giggles. :o) I think the Wikipedia article Milan posted indicates XP SP2 support through July 2010, even though new licenses aren't supposed to be available after June 2008. Maybe over the next two

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
You're right, Dennis. I checked with an IT guru buddy who has done a lot of reworks of Vista machines when his clients got bitten by one of its bugs and wanted to roll back to XP, and he said it was a complete nightmare, every single time, and a couple of times was such a colossal headache that

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Mike Wickham
Rene, I also have to replace a laptop. It was attached to the network when we got hit by lightning. I hate that Vista is the only choice that laptop manufacturers are giving us these days. So I'm planning to check to be sure that XP-compatible drivers are available for the prospective laptop's

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Paul Findon
On 19 Jun 2008, at 21:06, Rene Stephenson wrote: You're right, Dennis. I checked with an IT guru buddy who has done a lot of reworks of Vista machines when his clients got bitten by one of its bugs and wanted to roll back to XP, and he said it was a complete nightmare, every single

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Mike Wickham
Anyway, with Parallels, you can run multiple virtual machines simultaneously. Windows XP, Vista, 2000, Linux, etc. Perfect for testing and documenting different systems and beta software. And of course, there is the PC counterpart-- Microsoft Virtual PC 2007. It can be downloaded free at

RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Mike Bradley
Um ... All of the Office 2007 software (including Project and Visio and Groove, etc.) works perfectly fine on my Windows XP system (and on my Vista system, of course). I should have written more clearly. It's not that Office 2007 doesn't run on an XP system, it's that it has the

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
Hi All, My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so it's getting time to start the process of identifying the next workhorse for me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very heavily. Any testimonials of your laptop successes are more than welcome!) I have gotten

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Pat Christenson
I run FrameMaker on my Mac laptop on a Windows virtual machine using Parallels software. It's a little slower than in a straight Windows environment but worth it to me because FrameMaker is the only thing I need Windows for. I run everything else in the Mac environment and share files

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Stuart Rogers
Rene Stephenson wrote: > Hi All, > > My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so > it's getting time to start the process of identifying the next > workhorse for me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very > heavily. Any testimonials of your laptop successes are

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
Thanks, Art. You're right, I'm still warped back in time to the concept that Vista is the new kid on the block with all the inherent "don't buy it until they work the bugs out" cloud. My main client has UNIX/Linux servers, and I'll be setting up a server at home whenever the basement

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, Rene: Windows XP official support is supposed to end soon. Windows XP won't be shipped with Intel Macs after the end of June, I believe. I think the same applies to PCs. So, Vista is not just a preference, it's a deadline. There's no compelling reason to avoid an XP-based machine. By this

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Kelly McDaniel
s-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rene > Stephenson > Sent: 2008-06-19 10:30 > To: Art Campbell > Cc: FrameUsers List > Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions > > Thanks, Art. You're right, I'm still warped back in

Win XP support (was RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions)

2008-06-19 Thread Combs, Richard
Peter Gold wrote: > Windows XP official support is supposed to end soon. > > Windows XP won't be shipped with Intel Macs after the end of June, I > believe. I think the same applies to PCs. > > So, Vista is not just a preference, it's a deadline. > > There's no compelling reason to avoid an

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
Thanks, Peter. I was one of the daring few who jumped into the first version of the then newly available laptop dual core Intel chipset. Unfortunately, that chipset was discontinued after 6 weeks' production due to lack of support for power save features. If I had been more cunning, I would

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Art Campbell
If you use a 10-key a lot, why not use an external so you can go with a smaller laptop? Looks as if there are lots of options, including some that include a mouse... Such as: http://www.provantage.com/scripts/search.dll?QUERY=USB+numeric+keypad=0=0 Art On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Rene

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Yves Barbion
Hi Rene, I've seen people use FrameMaker on Mac, using Parallels ( http://www.parallels.com). But: seeing is not immediately believing for me, so I'd advise you to borrow a Mac from one of your friends, install Parallels, Windows and FrameMaker and all the other plug-ins, bells and whistles and

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Paul Findon
On 19 Jun 2008, at 16:37, Peter Gold wrote: > Windows XP won't be shipped with Intel Macs after the end of June, I > believe. I guess you mean Dell PCs? Paul

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Sam Beard
Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 sbeard at oico.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rene Stephenson Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:52 AM To: FrameUsers List Subject: How FM use impacts

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
Cool! Definitely a viable solution. THANKS Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Art Campbell If you use a 10-key a lot, why not use an external so you can go with a smaller laptop? Looks as if there are lots of options, including some that include a

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Sarah O'Keefe
Rene Stephenson wrote: > I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, > and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping > with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that > will entail. I purchased a laptop with Vista last October. I am

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Rene Whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of buying a Windows-based laptop with VISTA installed on it, hoping to *upgrade* to Windows XP. In some cases, this is possible, but look into it first. With brand new hardware designed for VISTA, you may not be able to find XP-suitable

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Kelly McDaniel
http://www.tuaw.com/2008/04/16/ibm-considering-macs-for-employees/

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
Thanks for your candid insight, Sarah. Are any bits of your litany addressed with Vista SP1? Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Sarah O'Keefe It's probably worth switching just to avoid Vista. If you can get XP, great, but if your choices are a)

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Peter Gold
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Sarah O'Keefe wrote: > Rene Stephenson wrote: >> I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, >> and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping >> with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that >>

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Sam Beard
...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:13 PM To: Sarah O'Keefe Cc: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Sarah O'Keefe wrote: > R

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Milan Davidovic
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer wrote: > At one point earlier this Spring, Microsoft was considering extending > their cutoff date for XP beyond June 30th because of the uproar from > the business community. I guess that must not have happened, but > before you sink money

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread mbrad...@techpubs.com
> I don't know how you feel about Dell hardware etc., and I have no > experience with their laptops myself, but until July 2 you can still > order the Vostro models with WinXP installed. If you do this, be sure to order Office 2003, as well. I bought an XP machine from Dell late last year but,

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Peter Gold
Thanks for clarifying this, Sam. I was thinking of non-Apple Mac resellers who pre-install Windows for their customers, or sell a virtual product and a Windows version with their MacTels. The Mad resellers are barred from selling XP just as the PC resellers are. On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:43 PM,

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread McCallister, Michael (GE Healthcare, consultant)
at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rene Stephenson Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:06 AM To: peter at knowhowpro.com Cc: FrameUsers List Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions I'm hearing Parallels and other solutions for Mac are the workaround for FM dependency; and SPARC+Solaris is the non

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC
--Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sarah O'Keefe Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:57 PM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions Rene Stephenson wrote: > I have

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
Thanks for the CMS reminder, DJ, as well as the giggles. :o) I think the Wikipedia article Milan posted indicates XP SP2 support through July 2010, even though new licenses aren't supposed to be available after June 2008. Maybe over the next two years a better option will emerge from the

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Sam Beard
690-1711 Ext. 222 sbeard at oico.com -Original Message- From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:12 PM To: Sam Beard Cc: Sarah O'Keefe; framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
I sort of stubbed my toe on another issue that's going to affect this: I have to be able to synch my calendar, contacts, and tasks to a PDA/SmartPhone. I'm beginning to think the only choice remaining is wait and pay more total for a MacBook and next generation of iPhone; or jump right away to

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Paul Findon
Hi Rene, If Adobe had done the right thing by its customers and given us FrameMaker for Mac OS X, we wouldn't be having this conversation, but... I know several people who run Windows FrameMaker on their Intel Macs with Parallels. I've not tried it with FrameMaker, but My son had been on

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC
at frameusers.com Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions Thanks for the CMS reminder, DJ, as well as the giggles. :o) I think the Wikipedia article Milan posted indicates XP SP2 support through July 2010, even though new licenses aren't supposed to be available after June 2008. Maybe over

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
You're right, Dennis. I checked with an IT guru buddy who has done a lot of reworks of Vista machines when his clients got bitten by one of its bugs and wanted to roll back to XP, and he said it was a complete nightmare, every single time, and a couple of times was such a colossal headache that

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Mike Wickham
Rene, I also have to replace a laptop. It was attached to the network when we got hit by lightning. I hate that Vista is the only choice that laptop manufacturers are giving us these days. So I'm planning to check to be sure that XP-compatible drivers are available for the prospective laptop's

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Paul Findon
On 19 Jun 2008, at 21:06, Rene Stephenson wrote: > You're right, Dennis. I checked with an IT guru buddy who has done > a lot of reworks of Vista machines when his clients got bitten by > one of its bugs and wanted to roll back to XP, and he said it was a > complete nightmare, every single

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Mike Wickham
> Anyway, with Parallels, you can run multiple virtual machines > simultaneously. Windows XP, Vista, 2000, Linux, etc. Perfect for > testing and documenting different systems and beta software. And of course, there is the PC counterpart-- Microsoft Virtual PC 2007. It can be downloaded free at

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net
Mike Bradley wrote: > > I don't know how you feel about Dell hardware etc., and I have no > > experience with their laptops myself, but until July 2 you can still > > order the Vostro models with WinXP installed. > > If you do this, be sure to order Office 2003, as well. I bought an XP > machine

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread Mike Bradley
> Um ... All of the Office 2007 software (including Project and Visio and > Groove, etc.) works perfectly fine on my Windows XP system (and on my > Vista system, of course). I should have written more clearly. It's not that Office 2007 doesn't run on an XP system, it's that it has the

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

2008-06-19 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net
> > Um ... All of the Office 2007 software (including Project and Visio and > > Groove, etc.) works perfectly fine on my Windows XP system (and on my > > Vista system, of course). > > I should have written more clearly. > > It's not that Office 2007 doesn't run on an XP system, it's that it has