Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c

2001-12-09 Thread Joerg Wunsch
As Peter Wemm wrote: There shouldn't *be* bootblocks on non-boot disks. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da$n count=1 Dont use disklabel -B -rw da$n auto. Use disklabel -rw da$n auto. All my disks have bootblocks and (spare) boot partitions. All the bootblocks are DD mode. I don't see any

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Re: send_packet: No buffer space available

2001-12-09 Thread Walter Belgers
Andrea Campi wrote: Well, you're sending out packets faster than your hardware can transmit them. So, at least now we know what to answer if the question arises again (I has several people who send 'me too' emails to me). I was having the same problem on my 4.4-RELEASE box. After

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c

2001-12-09 Thread sthaug
All my disks have bootblocks and (spare) boot partitions. All the bootblocks are DD mode. I don't see any point in using obsolete fdisk tables. (There's IMHO only one purpose obsolete fdisk tables are good for, co-operation with other operating systems in the same machine. None of my

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c

2001-12-09 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 09-Dec-2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (The other day a coworker of mine wanted to use DD for some IBM DTLA disks, because he'd heard that the disks performed better that way - something to do with scatter-gather not working right unless you used DD. I'm highly skeptical about this

Patch to cp to correct PR#27970 and PR#31633, for review

2001-12-09 Thread mckay
Hi! Normally, I'd just commit this and wait for the flak, but since I'm changing the default behaviour when copying directories, I thought people might care. This patch fixes PR#27970 (directory times not preserved with -p) and PR#31633 (non-empty read-only directories not copied). It does so

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c

2001-12-09 Thread Joerg Wunsch
As Daniel O'Connor wrote: I don't understand the need some people have for using something that is labelled as DANGEROUS. Historically, it hasn't been labelled that, it only later became common terminology for it -- in the typical half-joking manner. No, it won't hurt your cats but you may

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c

2001-12-09 Thread Joerg Wunsch
As [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are very good reasons NOT to use DD mode if you use certain types of Adaptec SCSI controllers - they simply won't boot from DD. Never seen. All my SCSI controllers so far booted from my disks (obviously :). I figure from Peter's comment in that piece of

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c

2001-12-09 Thread Mike Smith
As Peter Wemm wrote: There shouldn't *be* bootblocks on non-boot disks. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da$n count=1 Dont use disklabel -B -rw da$n auto. Use disklabel -rw da$n auto. All my disks have bootblocks and (spare) boot partitions. All the bootblocks are DD mode. I don't

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c

2001-12-09 Thread Mike Smith
(The other day a coworker of mine wanted to use DD for some IBM DTLA disks, because he'd heard that the disks performed better that way - something to do with scatter-gather not working right unless you used DD. I'm highly skeptical about this since I have my own measurements from IBM DTLA

Re: Question about Freebsd driver

2001-12-09 Thread Mike Smith
I have a question about Freebsd driver. If we want to support some options in driver(like speed and duplex mode setting) , user can use this option to change driver configurations. I am not sure whether freebsd driver support driver parameter or something else. Can you give me some

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c

2001-12-09 Thread Joerg Wunsch
Mike Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - The MBR partition table is not obsolete, it's a part of the PC architecture specification. Its design is antique. Or rather: it's missing a design. See other mail for the reasons. For FreeBSD, it's obsolete since we don't need to rely on fdisk

*HEADS UP!* This means you!

2001-12-09 Thread Mark Murray
Hi Now that I have your attention, please listen up, this may have some far-reaching consequences. We currently have 2 telnet sources in the src/ tree; src/crypto/telnet and the base telnet spread around in (src/*/*telnet*/). The base telnet is a complete subset of src/crypto telnet, and as a

Dangerously dedicated yet again (was: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread Greg Lehey
On Sunday, 9 December 2001 at 22:52:58 +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: On 09-Dec-2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (The other day a coworker of mine wanted to use DD for some IBM DTLA disks, because he'd heard that the disks performed better that way - something to do with scatter-gather not

Dangerously Decidated yet again (was : cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread Greg Lehey
On Sunday, 9 December 2001 at 12:15:19 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: As Peter Wemm wrote: There shouldn't *be* bootblocks on non-boot disks. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da$n count=1 Dont use disklabel -B -rw da$n auto. Use disklabel -rw da$n auto. All my disks have bootblocks and (spare) boot

Re: wi driver: firmware %i.%i problem?

2001-12-09 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alan Edmonds writes: : I'm not sure if the %i is a problem the kernel printf or I didn't checkin the small patch to the kernel printf for %i support yet. Ignore it for now. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c

2001-12-09 Thread Peter Wemm
Joerg Wunsch wrote: As Peter Wemm wrote: There shouldn't *be* bootblocks on non-boot disks. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da$n count=1 Dont use disklabel -B -rw da$n auto. Use disklabel -rw da$n auto. All my disks have bootblocks and (spare) boot partitions. All the bootblocks are

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c

2001-12-09 Thread Matthew Dillon
:This illegal geometry causes divide by zero errors in a handful of scsi :bioses from Adaptec. : :This illegal geometry causes divide by zero errors in a handful of scsi :bioses from NCR/Symbios. : :This is why it is called dangerous. : :Cheers, :-Peter :-- :Peter Wemm - [EMAIL PROTECTED];

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c

2001-12-09 Thread Peter Wemm
Joerg Wunsch wrote: Mike Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - The MBR partition table is not obsolete, it's a part of the PC architecture specification. Its design is antique. Or rather: it's missing a design. See other mail for the reasons. For FreeBSD, it's obsolete since we

Re: *HEADS UP!* This means you!

2001-12-09 Thread Peter Wemm
Mark Murray wrote: Hi Now that I have your attention, please listen up, this may have some far-reaching consequences. We currently have 2 telnet sources in the src/ tree; src/crypto/telnet and the base telnet spread around in (src/*/*telnet*/). The base telnet is a complete subset of

Re: Dangerously Decidated yet again (was : cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread Mike Smith
On Sunday, 9 December 2001 at 19:46:06 +0100, Joerg Wunsch wrote: personal opinion Still, it's my opinion that these BIOSes are simply broken: Joerg's personal opinion can go take a hike. The reality of the situation is that this table is required, and we're going to put it there. End

Re: Dangerously Decidated yet again (was : cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread Greg Lehey
On Sunday, 9 December 2001 at 18:32:38 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: On Sunday, 9 December 2001 at 19:46:06 +0100, Joerg Wunsch wrote: personal opinion Still, it's my opinion that these BIOSes are simply broken: Joerg's personal opinion can go take a hike. The reality of the situation is

Re: Dangerously dedicated yet again (was: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Greg Lehey wrote: [ ... IBM DTLA drives ... ] IBM DTLA drives are known to rotate fast enough near the spindle that the sustained write speed exceeds the ability of the controller electronics to keep up, and results in crap being written to disk. This is not often a problem with windows, the

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c

2001-12-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Joerg Wunsch wrote: Mike Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - The MBR partition table is not obsolete, it's a part of the PC architecture specification. Its design is antique. Or rather: it's missing a design. See other mail for the reasons. For FreeBSD, it's obsolete since we

Re: *HEADS UP!* This means you!

2001-12-09 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Peter Wemm wrote: Mark Murray wrote: Hi Now that I have your attention, please listen up, this may have some far-reaching consequences. We currently have 2 telnet sources in the src/ tree; src/crypto/telnet and the base telnet spread around in

Re: *HEADS UP!* This means you!

2001-12-09 Thread Doug Ambrisko
Peter Wemm writes: | I for one will miss it. I used libexec/telnetd extensively during ia64 | bootstrap (and still use it) before we had the crypto stuff going. This | was all built by hand, 'make world' still isn't an option there. I also | use usr.bin/telnet on other systems where SRA is

Re: Dangerously dedicated yet again (was: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread Greg Lehey
On Sunday, 9 December 2001 at 18:46:24 -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: Greg Lehey wrote: [ ... IBM DTLA drives ... ] No, that wasn't me. IBM DTLA drives are known to rotate fast enough near the spindle that the sustained write speed exceeds the ability of the controller electronics to keep

Re: Dangerously dedicated yet again (was: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Greg Lehey wrote: [ ... IBM DTLA drives ... ] No, that wasn't me. I didn't quote the full thing; that's what the brackets and ellipsis was for. IBM DTLA drives are known to rotate fast enough near the spindle that the sustained write speed exceeds the ability of the controller

Re: Dangerously dedicated yet again (was: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Greg Lehey wrote: [ ... DTLA drives ... ] Do a Google/Tom's Hardware search to reassure yourself that I am not smoking anything. I think I'd rather put the shoe on the other foot. This looks like high-grade crack. Who was smoking it? For your further amusement, here is a pointer to

Re: Dangerously dedicated yet again (was: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread Matthew Dillon
On google search for: deskstar 75gxp class action http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/22412.html http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,67608,00.asp etc... So apparently my warning about these drives in 'man tuning' is still appropriate :-)

Re: Dangerously dedicated yet again (was: cvs commit: src/sys/kernsubr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread Julian Elischer
On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Matthew Dillon wrote: On google search for: deskstar 75gxp class action http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/22412.html http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,67608,00.asp etc... So apparently my warning about these drives in 'man

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c

2001-12-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 11:00:19PM +0100, Joerg Wunsch wrote: Mike Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - The MBR partition table is not obsolete, it's a part of the PC architecture specification. Its design is antique. Or rather: it's missing a design. See other mail for the reasons.

Re: Dangerously dedicated yet again (was: cvs commit: src/sys/kernsubr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread Matthew Dillon
: etc... So apparently my warning about these drives in 'man tuning' is : still appropriate :-) : : -Matt : : : IBM DTLA drives are known to rotate fast enough near the spindle : : that the sustained write speed exceeds the ability of the

IBM DTLA drives (was: Re: Dangerously dedicated yet again (was: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c) )

2001-12-09 Thread Peter Wemm
Matthew Dillon wrote: : etc... So apparently my warning about these drives in 'man tuning' is : still appropriate :-) : :-Matt : : : IBM DTLA drives are known to rotate fast enough near the spindle : : that the sustained write speed exceeds

Re: IBM DTLA drives (was: Re: Dangerously dedicated yet again (was:cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c) )

2001-12-09 Thread Søren Schmidt
It seems Peter Wemm wrote: Yes there are two problems. The physical failure problem seems to be mostly restricted to the 75GXP. However the electronics/bandwidth/ density/whatever-it-is problem is uniform across the entire DTLA line. We stopped using 75GXP's at work a while back, but we

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Re: Dangerously dedicated yet again (was: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread David W. Chapman Jr.
On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 06:46:24PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: It's because you have to reinstall, should you want to add a second OS at a later date (e.g. Linux, or Windows). I think it has more to do with the drive going on a new motherboard that might not boot with dangerously dedicated

Re: Dangerously dedicated yet again (was: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread Terry Lambert
David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 06:46:24PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: It's because you have to reinstall, should you want to add a second OS at a later date (e.g. Linux, or Windows). I think it has more to do with the drive going on a new motherboard that might not

Re: Dangerously dedicated yet again (was: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread David W. Chapman Jr.
: IBM DTLA drives are known to rotate fast enough near the spindle : that the sustained write speed exceeds the ability of the controller : electronics to keep up, and results in crap being written to disk. I would adssume it actually the tracks FURTHEREST from the spindle..

Re: Dangerously dedicated yet again (was: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread Peter Wemm
David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: : IBM DTLA drives are known to rotate fast enough near the spindle : that the sustained write speed exceeds the ability of the controller : electronics to keep up, and results in crap being written to disk. I would adssume it actually the tracks

Re: Dangerously dedicated yet again (was: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread Peter Wemm
David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 06:46:24PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: It's because you have to reinstall, should you want to add a second OS at a later date (e.g. Linux, or Windows). I think it has more to do with the drive going on a new motherboard that might not

Re: Dangerously dedicated yet again (was: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread Andrew Kenneth Milton
+---[ David W. Chapman Jr. ]-- | : IBM DTLA drives are known to rotate fast enough near the spindle | : that the sustained write speed exceeds the ability of the controller | : electronics to keep up, and results in crap being written to disk. | | | I would

Re: Dangerously dedicated yet again (was: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c)

2001-12-09 Thread Greg Lehey
On Sunday, 9 December 2001 at 22:44:52 -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: 3) You get a system lockup when booting the *computer* if *any* DD disk is attached anywhere at all. This is what killed the Thinkpad T20*, A20*, 600X etc. After all the yelling we did at IBM, it turned out to be