Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-03 Thread Vallo Kallaste
On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 08:52:11PM -0400, Garance A Drosihn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is an issue for some nntp software, perhaps that port (the freebsd 'port collection' port...) should build and use the newer version of db? Would that help whatever issue got you interested in this?

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Forrest Aldrich
Then, with the problems associated with the Sleepycat license, is there some other alternative to this particular DB product? Surely ours is not the only area that has experienced frustration with this point. What other DB-like projects are out there, etc. _F To Unsubscribe: send mail to

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Thomas David Rivers
Brad Knowles wrote: At 10:00 AM -0500 2000/5/2, Dan Nelson wrote: .. means that a user that wanted to use FreeBSD in a commercial application would not be able to simply sell his product; he would have to get a license from Sleepycat. I asked the Keith about this and

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Julian Elischer
Brad Knowles wrote: At 10:00 AM -0500 2000/5/2, Dan Nelson wrote: .. means that a user that wanted to use FreeBSD in a commercial application would not be able to simply sell his product; he would have to get a license from Sleepycat. I asked the Keith about this and he said it

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 02 May 2000 17:14:31 +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: Sleepycats license is not FreeBSD compatible :-/ I don't understand. Reading http://www.sleepycat.com/license.net, it seems to me that FreeBSD meets all the necessary requirements. Can someone who understands the details

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Brad Knowles
At 10:00 AM -0500 2000/5/2, Dan Nelson wrote: .. means that a user that wanted to use FreeBSD in a commercial application would not be able to simply sell his product; he would have to get a license from Sleepycat. Ahh, okay. Now I think I understand the licensing issue.

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Forrest Aldrich writes: I've been curious about this. Would someone clarify what in this license prevents FreeBSD from including it, at some level? People wouldn't be able to use FreeBSD without giving away their source. /etc/passwd is stored in a db file for

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Nate Williams
Sleepycats license is not FreeBSD compatible :-/ I don't understand. Reading http://www.sleepycat.com/license.net, it seems to me that FreeBSD meets all the necessary requirements. Can someone who understands the details of the licensing issues either explain the situation to

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (May 02), Forrest Aldrich said: I've been curious about this. Would someone clarify what in this license prevents FreeBSD from including it, at some level? Basically, the part that says If you redistribute your application outside of your site and your source code is

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Peter Wemm
Forrest Aldrich wrote: I've been curious about this. Would someone clarify what in this license prevents FreeBSD from including it, at some level? The problem is that we export the DB API from libc, and if anything uses the DB interface for a local application they'd be subject to the license

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Forrest Aldrich
I've been curious about this. Would someone clarify what in this license prevents FreeBSD from including it, at some level? _F Sleepycat Software Product Licensing Berkeley DB is an Open Sourcetm product, and complete source code is available from our Web site. If you build an

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Garrett Wollman
On Tue, 02 May 2000 13:16:03 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Sleepycats license is not FreeBSD compatible :-/ Even worse, the 2.x file format is not FreeBSD compatible. Having already had one flag day between 1.x and 2.x (the FreeBSD versions) when the installed base was

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message v0422080ab53464df3042@[195.238.1.121], Brad Knowles writes: Folks, A thread on news.software.nntp got me checking into this, and now I've gotten very curious. From what I can determine, it looks like what is integrated into FreeBSD is Berkeley db 1.85 (in /usr/src/libc/db),

db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Brad Knowles
Folks, A thread on news.software.nntp got me checking into this, and now I've gotten very curious. From what I can determine, it looks like what is integrated into FreeBSD is Berkeley db 1.85 (in /usr/src/libc/db), although there is a port for 2.7.7 in /usr/ports/databases/db.

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread David Scheidt
On Tue, 2 May 2000, Brad Knowles wrote: At 1:16 PM +0200 2000/5/2, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Sleepycats license is not FreeBSD compatible :-/ I don't understand. Reading http://www.sleepycat.com/license.net, it seems to me that FreeBSD meets all the necessary requirements.

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Garrett Wollman
On Tue, 2 May 2000 12:32:20 -0400 (EDT), Thomas David Rivers [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This is where the license issues are... Keith offered to make a one-time lobotomy of the DB 2.x code to trim it down to just the 1.85 API, with a standard Berkeley-style license. We discussed this for a

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Does anyone know if this has been brought up with the folks at Sleepycat to see if we could get a modification/clarification of this point, so that as long as FreeBSD satisfies the necessary requirements that this point of the license doesn't then recurse upon people who might be

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Brad Knowles
At 3:12 PM -0700 2000/5/2, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: Yes, this was brought up by the sleepycat people themselves over a year ago and was part of a long discussion thread involving Keith Bostic and a host of FreeBSD developers. We were unable to reach such an agreement or get any such

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 1:05 PM +0200 5/2/00, Brad Knowles wrote: A thread on news.software.nntp got me checking into this, and now I've gotten very curious. From what I can determine, it looks like what is integrated into FreeBSD is Berkeley db 1.85 (in /usr/src/libc/db), although there is a port for 2.7.7

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Danny J. Zerkel
One of the things to consider is the number of places db is used in FreeBSD code. Any bugs in db can manifest in any of these: contrib/bind contrib/global contrib/nvi contrib/perl5 contrib/sendmail crypto/kerberosIV crypto/heimdal lib/libc/gen/devname.c lib/libc/gen/getcap.c

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Richard Todd
In servalan.mailinglist.fbsd-current Brad Knowles writes: Besides, don't we use gcc as the system-standard compiler, and doesn't this likewise infect everything compiled on FreeBSD with the GPL? No, because none of the gcc code appears in the resulting binary. The binary does include

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 10:07:25PM -0400, Danny J. Zerkel wrote: pr/9350 is an example of db bugs effecting vi. (Would someone PLEASE apply the simple patch and close the damn PR!) Ok. I've applied to my local sources. If it passes my next makeworld and doesn't crash things on me, I'll

Re: db 1.85 -- 2.x or 3.x?

2000-05-02 Thread Brad Knowles
At 1:16 PM +0200 2000/5/2, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Sleepycats license is not FreeBSD compatible :-/ I don't understand. Reading http://www.sleepycat.com/license.net, it seems to me that FreeBSD meets all the necessary requirements. Can someone who understands the details of the