UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console - A Question actually about FreeBSD
Hello All, Im still struggling with this one and have tried all I could find by Googling lists and forums. @ and " keys are fine as are every other key apart from £ symbol. Can anyone suggest ways to track this down. At 'Login:' I can actually get £ but after loging I get a beep? I have tried various fonts and maps to no avail. Any suggestions / pointers, even an RT[URL]FM or useful flame appreciated. Thanks! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Failure to get past a PCI bridge
Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2009 16:24:00 +0200, Josef Moellers wrote: The install kernel then boots properly and reaches the "Country Selection". At that point, no keyboard input is accepted. An optical mouse is off, so I assume the keyboard to be off, too. Not neccessarily. Check the blinkenlights with caps lock, num lock and scroll lock (if present). BTDTNT. If optical mouse doesn't have any light, it's nearly obvious that it doesn't get power from the USB port. This doesn't need to imply that the keyboard is off, too. Yes, but none of the *Lock key work either. When trying to install without ACPI, I managed to get past the bridge, but then I got a Fatal trap: --- igb0: Reserved 0x2 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xce26 igb0: Reserved 0x4000 bytes for rid 0x1c type 3 at 0xce20 igb0: attempting to allocate 3 MSI-X vectors (10 supported) Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode cpuid = 0; apic id = 00 fault virtual address = 0x18 fault code = supervisor read data, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0x803e127d stack pointer = 0x10:0x810d8830 frame pointer = 0x10:0x3 code segment= base 0x0, limit 0xf, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 processor eflags= interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 0 (swapper) trap number = 12 panic: page fault -- I'll talk to the BIOS guy again, but if someone has some other ideas, I'd be grateful. Josef -- These are my personal views and not those of Fujitsu Technology Solutions! Josef Möllers (Pinguinpfleger bei FTS) If failure had no penalty success would not be a prize (T. Pratchett) Company Details: http://de.ts.fujitsu.com/imprint.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start
Peter Ulrich Kruppa skrev: On Fri, 29 May 2009, Leslie Jensen wrote: When I try to startx my screen goes black for a while and then it returns to the prompt. At the screen I see this The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but has 2 symbols Ignoring extra symbols Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed Protocol not supported by server Do you have dbus_enable="YES" hald_enable="YES" in your /etc/rc.conf ? Yes I have If not: add them, reboot and try to create a new xorg.conf with # Xorg -configure Produces the same result :-( Greetings Uli. Thanks /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start
On Fri, 29 May 2009, Leslie Jensen wrote: When I try to startx my screen goes black for a while and then it returns to the prompt. At the screen I see this The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but has 2 symbols Ignoring extra symbols Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed Protocol not supported by server Do you have dbus_enable="YES" hald_enable="YES" in your /etc/rc.conf ? If not: add them, reboot and try to create a new xorg.conf with # Xorg -configure Greetings Uli. My xorg.conf is the same as it was before I made the fresh install. I've tried to remove xorg.conf and let everything be autodetected. I see no apparent errors apart from that the Xorg.0.log stops at the same point independent of which driver (none, nv, nvidia or vesa) is loaded. Any hints what to try? Thanks /Leslie - snip Xorg.0.log X.Org X Server 1.6.1 Release Date: 2009-4-14 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE i386 Current Operating System: FreeBSD blj01.no-ip.org 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May 1 08:49:13 UTC 2009 r...@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Build Date: 27 May 2009 08:19:08PM Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri May 29 05:51:49 2009 (II) Loader magic: 0x7a0 (II) Module ABI versions: X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 X.Org Video Driver: 5.0 X.Org XInput driver : 4.0 X.Org Server Extension : 2.0 (II) Loader running on freebsd (--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0) (--) using VT number 9 (--) PCI:*(0...@5:0:0) nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GS] rev 161, Mem @ 0xcf00/16777216, 0xd000/268435456, 0xce00/16777216, I/O @ 0xe800/128, BIOS @ 0x/65536 (==) Using default built-in configuration (30 lines) (==) --- Start of built-in configuration --- Section "Device" Identifier "Builtin Default nv Device 0" Driver "nv" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Builtin Default nv Screen 0" Device "Builtin Default nv Device 0" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Builtin Default vesa Device 0" Driver "vesa" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0" Device "Builtin Default vesa Device 0" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Builtin Default fbdev Device 0" Driver "fbdev" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0" Device "Builtin Default fbdev Device 0" EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Builtin Default Layout" Screen "Builtin Default nv Screen 0" Screen "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0" Screen "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0" EndSection (==) --- End of built-in configuration --- (==) ServerLayout "Builtin Default Layout" (**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default nv Screen 0" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "" (**) | |-->Device "Builtin Default nv Device 0" (==) No monitor specified for screen "Builtin Default nv Screen 0". Using a default monitor configuration. (**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0" (1) (**) | |-->Monitor "" (**) | |-->Device "Builtin Default vesa Device 0" (==) No monitor specified for screen "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0". Using a default monitor configuration. (**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0" (2) (**) | |-->Monitor "" (**) | |-->Device "Builtin Default fbdev Device 0" (==) No monitor specified for screen "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0". Using a default monitor configuration. (==) Automatically adding devices (==) Automatically enabling devices (==) FontPath set to: /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/, built-ins (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules" (II) Cannot locate a core pointer device. (II) Cannot locate a core keyboard device. (II) The server relies on HAL to provide the list of input devices. If no devices become available, rec
Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start
When I try to startx my screen goes black for a while and then it returns to the prompt. At the screen I see this The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: > Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but has 2 symbols > Ignoring extra symbols Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed Protocol not supported by server My xorg.conf is the same as it was before I made the fresh install. I've tried to remove xorg.conf and let everything be autodetected. I see no apparent errors apart from that the Xorg.0.log stops at the same point independent of which driver (none, nv, nvidia or vesa) is loaded. Any hints what to try? Thanks /Leslie - snip Xorg.0.log X.Org X Server 1.6.1 Release Date: 2009-4-14 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE i386 Current Operating System: FreeBSD blj01.no-ip.org 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May 1 08:49:13 UTC 2009 r...@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Build Date: 27 May 2009 08:19:08PM Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri May 29 05:51:49 2009 (II) Loader magic: 0x7a0 (II) Module ABI versions: X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 X.Org Video Driver: 5.0 X.Org XInput driver : 4.0 X.Org Server Extension : 2.0 (II) Loader running on freebsd (--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0) (--) using VT number 9 (--) PCI:*(0...@5:0:0) nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GS] rev 161, Mem @ 0xcf00/16777216, 0xd000/268435456, 0xce00/16777216, I/O @ 0xe800/128, BIOS @ 0x/65536 (==) Using default built-in configuration (30 lines) (==) --- Start of built-in configuration --- Section "Device" Identifier "Builtin Default nv Device 0" Driver "nv" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Builtin Default nv Screen 0" Device "Builtin Default nv Device 0" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Builtin Default vesa Device 0" Driver "vesa" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0" Device "Builtin Default vesa Device 0" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Builtin Default fbdev Device 0" Driver "fbdev" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0" Device "Builtin Default fbdev Device 0" EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Builtin Default Layout" Screen "Builtin Default nv Screen 0" Screen "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0" Screen "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0" EndSection (==) --- End of built-in configuration --- (==) ServerLayout "Builtin Default Layout" (**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default nv Screen 0" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "" (**) | |-->Device "Builtin Default nv Device 0" (==) No monitor specified for screen "Builtin Default nv Screen 0". Using a default monitor configuration. (**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0" (1) (**) | |-->Monitor "" (**) | |-->Device "Builtin Default vesa Device 0" (==) No monitor specified for screen "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0". Using a default monitor configuration. (**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0" (2) (**) | |-->Monitor "" (**) | |-->Device "Builtin Default fbdev Device 0" (==) No monitor specified for screen "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0". Using a default monitor configuration. (==) Automatically adding devices (==) Automatically enabling devices (==) FontPath set to: /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/, built-ins (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules" (II) Cannot locate a core pointer device. (II) Cannot locate a core keyboard device. (II) The server relies on HAL to provide the list of input devices. If no devices become available, reconfigure HAL or disable AllowEmptyInput. (II) System resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0x000f - 0x000f (0x1) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0x000c - 0x000e (0x3) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0x0
On the need for moderated questions lists
On Thu, 28 May 2009 23:00:09 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. >> >> I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? > > Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of that rules. > > FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do is > their decision. > > It's just my opinion, time will show if i am right if they will not do > this, and this list turn to <1% on topic. The only problem with that sort of reasoning is that the FreeBSD mailing list charters *have* been decided. There is a reason why freebsd-questions is open to everyone, including people who want to discuss things like ``How do I make my Windows boot loader launch FreeBSD?''. This way people who are not subscribed to the mailing list can still post their question and receive _helpful_ answers like ``Sure, add this line to your C:\BOOT.INI file and you are ready to start using FreeBSD''. My impression from hanging around this mailing list for several years now (It's almost a decade now, geez! When did all that time pass?) is that the openness and the all-around friendly character of ``If your question is even marginally related to a small part of FreeBSD and we can help, we'll do it'' is a valued and much-cherished attribute of the list. A lot of the people who hang around here like it this way, and what you propose to do is such a radical change that it requires a *lot* of up-front work if you really want to convince anyone. You do have a point that there is a very thin line between ``being very helpful to new people'' and ``talking about irrelevant systems all the time'', but it is my impression that you have not provided convincing arguments about the need for another moderated list or even the need for more strict ``rules'' in this one. The main argument for launching a moderated list seems to be ``We have to do this or we are doomed to be flooded with useless non-FreeBSD posts''. This is very hard to prove, however, without having actually seen it happen in this very same list, so that's why you get a lot of resistance to the idea from old-time mailing list posters. One way to see if there is indeed a lot of off-topic traffic or if the volume of off-topic posts has any sort of upwards trend is to: (a) Define *precisely* and in very clear terms what you consider on topic and what you consider off-topic. (b) Download the freebsd-questions archives from our public web site. They are openly shared with anyone interested to get them. (c) Go through the archives by year and/or month and keep statistics about things like: thread size, active posters per period, posts per period, off-topic/on-topic ratio of messages, and so on. Then, with a verifiable, documented and repeatable way to repeat the experiment, you can present graphs that stand a far better chance of proving or disproving the hypothesis that ``the sky is falling if we don't moderate freebsd-questions''. This sort of approach would probably meet a lot less resistance, because it is repeatable by anyone who wants to verify your results, and it is based on the actual *data* of the mailing list itself, instead of a hand-wavy interpretation of personal opinions like ``trust me, I've seen this happen before''. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
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Re: What is this forum for?
On May 28, 2009 08:06:51 pm RW wrote: > On Fri, 29 May 2009 00:53:53 +0200 (CEST) > > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >> is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. > > > > > > Even for you this is a new low. > > > > just another attack? you really can't discuss like a human? I think > > you can, but you like behave in "me too" style. others are agains, > > you must be too! > > Do you not think it's a bit arrogant to ridicule the climate scientists > based on what you yourself referred to as "knowledge from primary school > physics and no single calculation"? > > > about thermal expansion - water will be roughly the same temperature, > > maybe globally few degrees more. check out how much water expands > > really. > > It's not just the melt water, it's the temperature of the water in > the oceans, which is maintained by convection currents. Most of the > water in the world is held at 2-4 Celsius by these currents. > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" Now you guys are really off topic. Try moving it to alt.dev.null, and let the rest of us ask and answer questions about FreeBSD, please. -- Mike Jeays http://www.jeays.ca http://www.rotarycpmm.ca ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
On Fri, 29 May 2009 00:53:53 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. > > > > Even for you this is a new low. > > just another attack? you really can't discuss like a human? I think > you can, but you like behave in "me too" style. others are agains, > you must be too! Do you not think it's a bit arrogant to ridicule the climate scientists based on what you yourself referred to as "knowledge from primary school physics and no single calculation"? > about thermal expansion - water will be roughly the same temperature, > maybe globally few degrees more. check out how much water expands > really. > It's not just the melt water, it's the temperature of the water in the oceans, which is maintained by convection currents. Most of the water in the world is held at 2-4 Celsius by these currents. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD in a cloud
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:35:05PM +0200, Iv Ray wrote: > Does anyone know a place to host FreeBSD in a cloud? Nope, but i heard amazon and some FreeBSD people are working on this. AFAIK it's dependent on the used Hypervisor and works with latest version of Xen (the freebsd wiki says so at least). > Rackspace offer quite interesting cloud servers via www.mosso.com - > but they claim they run only Linux. > > We have had FreeBSD with Rackspace for over 5 years (though they > refuse to officially support it) and I cannot understand if they > cannot or do not want to run it in the cloud. cheers, leon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. Even for you this is a new low. just another attack? you really can't discuss like a human? I think you can, but you like behave in "me too" style. others are agains, you must be too! about thermal expansion - water will be roughly the same temperature, maybe globally few degrees more. check out how much water expands really. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
On Thu, 28 May 2009 23:38:46 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > i repeated what i read recently about ICE ON ARCTIC SEA melting that > will flood. > > Even knowledge from primary school physics and no single calculation > is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. Even for you this is a new low. When you learned about Archimedes principle did they not teach you about thermal expansion - or did you just assume that as the ice melts everything remains at the same temperature. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
Only because some people can't resist the temptation to chide him for not saying the "right" things in the "right" way. Really. In every case I've seen where one of these flamewars has erupted, it's because someone took it upon himself to make a personal attack in response to something Wojciech said. Maybe he is just trolling -- saying provocative things in order to get Could you please look back and find an example of my statements that looks like provocation? You will find for sure examples that i am by different ways, clearly state that someone talks nonsense, but no provocation. It's not my favourite game. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
On Thu 28 May 2009 at 13:16:28 PDT Chad Perrin wrote: It's usually on topic. It gets off-topic more often when W. Puchar chips in, though. Only because some people can't resist the temptation to chide him for not saying the "right" things in the "right" way. Really. In every case I've seen where one of these flamewars has erupted, it's because someone took it upon himself to make a personal attack in response to something Wojciech said. Maybe he is just trolling -- saying provocative things in order to get people to make that kind of response. But even if he is, the people who criticize him are just as responsible for these lengthy threads. Probably more, in my opinion. Kill this thread now. Please. And next time, show some restraint. (That my last two cents. I don't have any more,) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: What is this forum for?
Agree floating ice that melts will do nothing (directly) to level of global ocean waters. PERHAPS indirectly somehow (salt water / fresh water density, currents, temps, etc.) - but not directly. Problem is with all the land based ice that will melt or possibly melt. That's potentially very bad. The whole "Climate Change" is very interesting discussion, but I can no longer contribute to the problem I "whine" about, so I bid you a good day! Gary -Original Message- From: Wojciech Puchar [mailto:woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:39 PM To: Gary Gatten Cc: Bill Moran; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: What is this forum for? > WAY OT, but I agree by average most people are not very smart. However, Where the word "average" is important. Anyway within thousands of years politicians never been so successful in brainwashing as today. > a great deal of the ice people claim will melt and flood the world is > NOT currently floating in oceans, seas, etc. i repeated what i read recently about ICE ON ARCTIC SEA melting that will flood. Even knowledge from primary school physics and no single calculation is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system." ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
--- On Thu, 5/28/09, Bill Moran wrote: > From: Bill Moran > Subject: Re: What is this forum for? > To: "Wojciech Puchar" > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 4:12 PM > In response to Wojciech Puchar : > > > > > > This list has been around of a LNG > time. The rules haven't changed > > > in the 10 years since I've been subscribed, and > the list works 99% of the > > > time. > > > > But there are more and more new "users". It will not > work that way another > > 10 years. > > It's funny, that's the same thing that was being said 10 > years ago. > > In the 70s, they claimed that by the year 2000, there would > be 3 billion > people on earth, and over half of them would be starving > because we > wouldn't be able to produce enough food. There are > now over 6 bil, > and the % of starving people is lower than ever. > > I have a book from the 80s that predicts that we'll run out > of oil by > the year 2000 and have to find another source to power our > cars before > then. The book has graphs showing the available > reserves and usage > and everything. The math all works out. > > After 30 years of hearing doom and gloom predictions, I > can't even take > them seriously any more. When the news about swine > flue first came out > and the "experts" were predicting how many people would > die, I just started > laughing out loud. > > And I'm laughing at you right now. > There is more profit in preaching about doom and gloom. "Hey, don't worry it'll work out" will not get you a multi-million dollar study grant. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: What is this forum for?
LMAO! Yes, someone else pointed this out to me. I can't control what the email admins append to my messages. I'll ASK if it can be removed for this list or use a different email system or something, but it might take a few days so be patient with me. -Original Message- From: ill...@gmail.com [mailto:ill...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:39 PM To: Gary Gatten Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? 2009/5/28 Gary Gatten : > Is this forum intended . . . > "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient > and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email > and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by > return email and delete this email from your system." I'm sorry that I am legally unable to reply to such confidential information. Please reply with a security clarence penetration code and $40(forty United States Dinars) for bee^H^H^Hprocessing fees. Furthermore, since you have implicitly breeched my confidentiality rules (which cannot be disclos'd at this time), I will require a further $40(ninety United States Dolors) as "Hush" money. Respectfully, Roland Burris, Esq. -- -- "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system." ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: What is this forum for?
WAY OT, but I agree by average most people are not very smart. However, Where the word "average" is important. Anyway within thousands of years politicians never been so successful in brainwashing as today. a great deal of the ice people claim will melt and flood the world is NOT currently floating in oceans, seas, etc. i repeated what i read recently about ICE ON ARCTIC SEA melting that will flood. Even knowledge from primary school physics and no single calculation is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
2009/5/28 Gary Gatten : > Is this forum intended . . . > "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient > and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email > and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by > return email and delete this email from your system." I'm sorry that I am legally unable to reply to such confidential information. Please reply with a security clarence penetration code and $40(forty United States Dinars) for bee^H^H^Hprocessing fees. Furthermore, since you have implicitly breeched my confidentiality rules (which cannot be disclos'd at this time), I will require a further $40(ninety United States Dolors) as "Hush" money. Respectfully, Roland Burris, Esq. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: What is this forum for?
WAY OT, but I agree by average most people are not very smart. However, a great deal of the ice people claim will melt and flood the world is NOT currently floating in oceans, seas, etc. Al Gore invented this myth just as he invented the internet... I wish I could spew worthless drivel and get a Nobel for it. -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:23 PM To: Bill Moran Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? >> But there are more and more new "users". It will not work that way another >> 10 years. > > It's funny, that's the same thing that was being said 10 years ago. and isn't that list ALREADY much worse, mostly 2-3 last years? > > In the 70s, they claimed that by the year 2000, there would be 3 billion > people on earth, and over half of them would be starving because we > wouldn't be able to produce enough food. There are now over 6 bil, > and the % of starving people is lower than ever. > I have a book from the 80s that predicts that we'll run out of oil by > the year 2000 and have to find another source to power our cars before > then. The book has graphs showing the available reserves and usage > and everything. The math all works out. both statements were produced by people that have political interest in saying that! Now they put into people brain about nonexistent human-caused global warming for example. Not only within last 6 years average earth temperature goes down, but it was actually more hot long time ago. In Poland until 12 century malaria was common disease. Then it disappeared as climate changed to cold enough to kill these parasites. They even repeat that ices are constantly melting. Yes they are, in the same time new is constantly built up, like it is for thousands of years. MOST FUNNY - "Arctic ices are malting so fast, and when they will melt water level will raise many meters high. Countries like holland will be flooded". It's really funny that people with not just primary school, but university papers believe that when ice floating on water will melt, water level will go up. All this politician's tricks works only because people are by average just dumb. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system." ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
But there are more and more new "users". It will not work that way another 10 years. It's funny, that's the same thing that was being said 10 years ago. and isn't that list ALREADY much worse, mostly 2-3 last years? In the 70s, they claimed that by the year 2000, there would be 3 billion people on earth, and over half of them would be starving because we wouldn't be able to produce enough food. There are now over 6 bil, and the % of starving people is lower than ever. I have a book from the 80s that predicts that we'll run out of oil by the year 2000 and have to find another source to power our cars before then. The book has graphs showing the available reserves and usage and everything. The math all works out. both statements were produced by people that have political interest in saying that! Now they put into people brain about nonexistent human-caused global warming for example. Not only within last 6 years average earth temperature goes down, but it was actually more hot long time ago. In Poland until 12 century malaria was common disease. Then it disappeared as climate changed to cold enough to kill these parasites. They even repeat that ices are constantly melting. Yes they are, in the same time new is constantly built up, like it is for thousands of years. MOST FUNNY - "Arctic ices are malting so fast, and when they will melt water level will raise many meters high. Countries like holland will be flooded". It's really funny that people with not just primary school, but university papers believe that when ice floating on water will melt, water level will go up. All this politician's tricks works only because people are by average just dumb. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
In response to Wojciech Puchar : > > > > This list has been around of a LNG time. The rules haven't changed > > in the 10 years since I've been subscribed, and the list works 99% of the > > time. > > But there are more and more new "users". It will not work that way another > 10 years. It's funny, that's the same thing that was being said 10 years ago. In the 70s, they claimed that by the year 2000, there would be 3 billion people on earth, and over half of them would be starving because we wouldn't be able to produce enough food. There are now over 6 bil, and the % of starving people is lower than ever. I have a book from the 80s that predicts that we'll run out of oil by the year 2000 and have to find another source to power our cars before then. The book has graphs showing the available reserves and usage and everything. The math all works out. After 30 years of hearing doom and gloom predictions, I can't even take them seriously any more. When the news about swine flue first came out and the "experts" were predicting how many people would die, I just started laughing out loud. And I'm laughing at you right now. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do is their decision. Mostly, the people who have broad and deep enough knowledge of the system are busy and don't have time to waste moderating a list. it's not that much work. The traffic won't be high ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
On Thu, 28 May 2009 16:43:10 -0400, Jerry wrote: > You statement, "buy > things to HAVE them" makes no sense. I may politely disagree. I know several people who bought a new high-end PC and stuff for more than 3000 Euro and are treating it as a worse typewriter. Some stuff has never been used - it just sits on the table to make its ownler look wealthy and smart. > Of course they buy something > because they want it. In some cases, they want it in order to have it (or the intention to show it to others). > Do you buy products that you do not want? If I needed the product... okay, that can be seen as wanting, too. For example, I didn't want to buy a HP Laserjet 4000 duplex, but requirements made me need it - I was completely comfortable with the Laserjet 4. > And > yes, I buy things to have them. Why else would I buy them? The statement was like "ONLY to have them" (with the slight connotation of "have them, but not use them"). > Basic law of marketing is to give the public what they want. Any first > year business student knows that. And because many customers simply do not know what they need, and in conclusion do not know what they want, seem to want the same as the rich neighbor has - or "the same pictures like at work". > The statement that "The worst > solution always prevails" is totally bogus. Is it? I don't think so. USB, for example, was fine for things like keyboards and mice, but is used for nearly everything today - even in the times of USB 1 that was really slow and needed polling (instead of IRQ); inkjet printers, inferior in price and quality to laser printers; flat panel screens with strange color interpretation; the mouse with only two buttons; autodetection that does not work; CDs and DVDs not the size of a MD; "Windows", ... I could go on for hours. :-) It's just my personal observation that is confirmed nearly every day. > >Low enough that making products for them isn't a business. > > > >>> As windows user may get scared hearing the word "unix", [...] > > Yes, vary similar to how unix users feel about "plug & play". Personally, I don't have a problem with plug & play. All my hardware works that way: I plug it in, and it just works. This has nothing to do with "Windows" - I have it in UNIX all day long. :-) Furthermore, UNIX doesn't exist in the "Windows" zone. > Actually, when it costs me $49. to re-ink a cheap printer and only $39. > to buy a new one, is is almost easier to simply swap the old one out, > then give it away as a donation and take the tax credit. I have actually > done that by the way. For example, I'd accept inkjet printers only with full cartridges. If empty, I'd throw it away. :-) No, seriously: I don't own an inkjet printer and never have, and I think I never will, instead save some money for a color laser printer, but actually, I don't need to print in color. I have a neighbor who does this kindfully for me (but I never used that service). > Actually, I have an old Canon bubble jet 6000 that still works although > it is on its last legs and probably ten years old. That's the good thing with older hardware: It seems to last longer than "modern" stuff. As I said, I own a Laserjet 4 for more than 12 years now and always heavily used it. My keyboard is even older, nearly 20 years old. Let's see how much "modern" stuff from today will still work in 2030. :-) > In any case, with > most simple printers being dirt cheap, why should I care it they last > twenty years or not. Throw-away society. > Now, buying a $3000 color laser jet is a totally > different matter. Yes, definitely not my price class at the moment. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
Did you ever bother to consider that if the printer manufacturers actually formed a consensus on a printer language, some third world county or the EU would probably sue them. for setting up open standard? why? while i probably have similar (or worse) opinion about EU, to which Poland is now slowly losing independence, i never heard about any EU process for setting up OPEN standard. They are rather experts of suing Micro$oft. This is just one another way of taking tax from us, Microsoft just pays the fine, divides it by amount of sold windoze licences and add this to price, while still doing things the same as before. But it's not a problem for me, i don't buy windows so i don't have to pay that tax. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:00:09PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. > > > >I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? > > Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of that rules. > > FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do > is their decision. Mostly, the people who have broad and deep enough knowledge of the system are busy and don't have time to waste moderating a list. jerry > > It's just my opinion, time will show if i am right if they will not do > this, and this list turn to <1% on topic. > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:01:39PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >This list has been around of a LNG time. The rules haven't changed > >in the 10 years since I've been subscribed, and the list works 99% of the > >time. > > But there are more and more new "users". It will not work that way another > 10 years. The sky is falling! Yes, Chicken Little. Do they have that story in Poland? I don't remember seeing it when I was there, but then, I wasn't looking at children's books at the time. jerry > > >The few days a month where the discussion goes off-topic and turns into a > >flame war _are_ annoying, but not significantly distracting in the grand > > It will be 30 days/month soon. Not flamewars, but off-topic noise. > > Soon it will turn into KDE/CUPS/PHP/MYSQL/(add 100 other apps here) > support. > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
This list has been around of a LNG time. The rules haven't changed in the 10 years since I've been subscribed, and the list works 99% of the time. But there are more and more new "users". It will not work that way another 10 years. The few days a month where the discussion goes off-topic and turns into a flame war _are_ annoying, but not significantly distracting in the grand It will be 30 days/month soon. Not flamewars, but off-topic noise. Soon it will turn into KDE/CUPS/PHP/MYSQL/(add 100 other apps here) support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 04:54:53PM -0400, Bill Moran wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:52:05 -0500 > "Gary Gatten" wrote: > > > Is this forum intended to ask "specific" type questions and hope to get > > specific and relevant answers? Or, is it a blog to generalize, > > theorize, banter, etc. about anything and everything? > > [snip] > > Stop whining. > > This list has been around of a LNG time. The rules haven't changed > in the 10 years since I've been subscribed, and the list works 99% of the > time. > > The few days a month where the discussion goes off-topic and turns into a > flame war _are_ annoying, but not significantly distracting in the grand > scheme of things. You got it. A voice from experience. This has also been my experience for the last about a dozen years I have been on. Geez, has it been that long. I'm getting old -- or is that OT... :-P jerry > > -Bill > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
Wojciech Puchar wrote: How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of that rules. FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do is their decision. It's just my opinion, time will show if i am right if they will not do this, and this list turn to <1% on topic. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
but they HAVE. You probably observed already that lots of people buy things to HAVE them. You are right. That is an incredibly stupid statement. This is an incredibly stupid behaviour, but unfortunately true. While a user may buy a product that contains additional software that they do not require, they are never-the-less buying a product that they want. You statement, "buy things to HAVE them" makes no sense. Of course they buy something Your explanations are theoretical. And you are right this people behaviour doesn't indeed make sense. But it's a normal. Not just printers, i ask people why they got this new cellphone. "Because it has ,,java, etc. etc." Do you use that functions? "No" Not all people, but most. The problem is that there are less and less people that do not want a crap. Basic law of marketing is to give the public what they want. Exactly right. I don't say that it's wrong, but about how people act. It's just observation of things that can be classified as law of nature. nothing else. That's intended by the marked (because users intend so). Buying new printers all day long is normal, so you always have a "top of the line" printer. :-) Actually, when it costs me $49. to re-ink a cheap printer and only $39. to buy a new one, is is almost easier to simply swap the old one out, that's why i don't buy ink printer. Because it's so costly to reink. Compared to my laser that prints ca 7000 pages for 25$ cartridge. Original costs almost 100$ but polish-produced compatible one is as good if not better. then give it away as a donation and take the tax credit. I have actually done that by the way. Everything that allows you not to pay tax is a good thing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
On Thu, 28 May 2009 22:33:20 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > You exaggerate, configuring /etc/printcap and filter is natural part of > printer installation. > [...] > As i already told, manufacturer don't need to say this, instead say the > same as already says. Just sell THE SAME PRINTER with different product > name/number as unix printer. > > And instead of attaching 5GB of super extra important stuff, just attach 1 > page instruction about how to configure postscript filter by say > ghostscript or maybe URL on their site with examples Yes, of course. I'm nearly out of brain capacity because I had to read through more than 300 messages today. =^_^= -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
Touche... Maybe I need to up the dose on my meds so the B$ doesn't bother me as much. Ill look into that - Original Message - From: Bill Moran To: Gary Gatten Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thu May 28 15:54:53 2009 Subject: Re: What is this forum for? On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:52:05 -0500 "Gary Gatten" wrote: > Is this forum intended to ask "specific" type questions and hope to get > specific and relevant answers? Or, is it a blog to generalize, > theorize, banter, etc. about anything and everything? [snip] Stop whining. This list has been around of a LNG time. The rules haven't changed in the 10 years since I've been subscribed, and the list works 99% of the time. The few days a month where the discussion goes off-topic and turns into a flame war _are_ annoying, but not significantly distracting in the grand scheme of things. -Bill "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system." ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
On Thu, 28 May 2009 22:06:40 +0200 Polytropon wrote: >On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:43:32 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar > wrote: >> I don't agree it's bad idea of removing processing hardware from >> printer. It's good idea as such processing is a blink of eye for >> today computers. > >in general, I would agree, but some BASIC FUNCTIONALITY should >be brought by the printer itself, and if it's only ASCII printing, >so things like > > % ls /etc > /dev/ulpt0 > >would work. For simple things, it's completely okay. > > > >> The problem is that there is NO STANDARD for raw bitmap printers. >> If it would - then just adding this to ghostscript would be few >> hours of work. > >Exactly, THAT's the problem. If all manufacturers would agree to >have a certain standard about how printers can receive bitmapped >content, everything would be easy. But as I said, printer manu- >facturers don't intend to do so, because customers seem to like >the shiny discs they need to spend some time with before being >able to actually use their new printer. :-) Did you ever bother to consider that if the printer manufacturers actually formed a consensus on a printer language, some third world county or the EU would probably sue them. Nothing I have seen in 20 years equals the audacity of the EU. As long as no 'standard' no matter how arbitrary, stupid or counter-productive exists, they are in theory safe from the EU. Besides, nothing stifles development as tightly as being bound to an arbitrary 'standard'. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com You can't expect a boy to be vicious till he's been to a good school. H. H. Munro signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: What is this forum for?
I've been subscribed to this list for quite some time. I've tried to help where I know, Me too. And i'm still doing this. Of course when it is occasion for that, and it's rare as most questions are off-topic. I've tried interesting stuff that people discuss here. I've learned more than a few tricks just by watching the threads. Questions and answers that appear here have often inspired me (and given me the info) to write or revise Handbook sections and articles. But as of lately it seems my time is wasted in this fruitless discussion. I think it's not. No matter what you think about my posts, and no matter if i will be posting or not, this list will turn into trash quickly because it isn't moderated and isn't kept strictly on-topic. It worked for years but FreeBSD is becoming more popular. But most people that really use and understand unix, and could make use of FreeBSD, already joined and use FreeBSD. Now - this popularity means that more and more pseudo-unix-users are joining and the mess will be only worse. That's why unmoderated list worked fine but will not any more. Try to do statistics about quality of list now, year ago, 3 years ago, 5 years ago... And you will clearly see what i'm talking about. Everything else is about some apps support that just happen to be in ports - while question are completely non-FreeBSD specific and should go to this app mailing list. Yes. So please tell me why you are asking Xorg questions here. Surely by your standards this should go to the Xorg mailing list then. And yes, Because thread was already started, so why should i care? For sure i will not if this list will be moderated, and even if i dare, moderator will delete it. These are interoperability questions. Nobody here is asking Windows support questions. example - "do you know how to shrink windows partition from 250 to 50 gigs without losing data" Yes he wanted this 200GB for FreeBSD, but that question has NOTHING to FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:52:05 -0500 "Gary Gatten" wrote: > Is this forum intended to ask "specific" type questions and hope to get > specific and relevant answers? Or, is it a blog to generalize, > theorize, banter, etc. about anything and everything? [snip] Stop whining. This list has been around of a LNG time. The rules haven't changed in the 10 years since I've been subscribed, and the list works 99% of the time. The few days a month where the discussion goes off-topic and turns into a flame war _are_ annoying, but not significantly distracting in the grand scheme of things. -Bill ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
Wojciech Puchar wrote: > How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? I'm pretty happy as it is, except for this thread. -- Frederique ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:12:43 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> The problem is that most buyers are more happy when they get "added >>> value" "for free" like tons of CD's >> >> Even if they never use it. > >but they HAVE. You probably observed already that lots of people buy >things to HAVE them. You are right. That is an incredibly stupid statement. While a user may buy a product that contains additional software that they do not require, they are never-the-less buying a product that they want. You statement, "buy things to HAVE them" makes no sense. Of course they buy something because they want it. Do you buy products that you do not want? And yes, I buy things to have them. Why else would I buy them? >>> Manufacturers do what market required, no matter how dumb it is. >>> Those who didn't already failed. >> >> "The worst solution always prevails" and "People want crap, >> they get crap" seem to have established as laws of the market. > >Not all people, but most. The problem is that there are less and less >people that do not want a crap. Basic law of marketing is to give the public what they want. Any first year business student knows that. The statement that "The worst solution always prevails" is totally bogus. Furthermore, your statement, The problem is that there are less and less people that do not want a crap." would appear to go counter to what you have been bantering about. Do you actually "THINK" before you write or are you implying that most people would like to be constipated? >Low enough that making products for them isn't a business. > >>> As windows user may get scared hearing the word "unix", [...] Yes, vary similar to how unix users feel about "plug & play". >> No no, UNIX doesn't exist, and it's outdated anyway, just like >> mainframes. :-) > >oh yes i forgot. > >>> i just run lpr to print postscript file, or print directly from >>> programs through lpr >> >> I'm happy to keep on doing so now, too. :-) > >99.999% basic things that user needs is already invented on unix for >even 20 or more years. > >Now we have more and more "new technologies" that reinvent it most >more inefficient and overcomplex way. > >Even more - complexity is always marketed as adventage. > >> That's intended by the marked (because users intend so). Buying >> new printers all day long is normal, so you always have a "top >> of the line" printer. :-) Actually, when it costs me $49. to re-ink a cheap printer and only $39. to buy a new one, is is almost easier to simply swap the old one out, then give it away as a donation and take the tax credit. I have actually done that by the way. >that will break down within at most 2 years. Actually, I have an old Canon bubble jet 6000 that still works although it is on its last legs and probably ten years old.. In any case, with most simple printers being dirt cheap, why should I care it they last twenty years or not. Now, buying a $3000 color laser jet is a totally different matter. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com Prisons are built with stones of Law, brothels with bricks of Religion. Blake signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: What is this forum for?
Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Forget the sports - I'm talking hot women here! Your part of the world >> seems to be turning them out at a high rate! >> >> Oh wait, this has nothing to do with FBSD > > like most post on that list. Even if you remove all mails classified > as "flamewars" there is less than 10% about FreeBSD. Hardly ever started by anyone else than you, I fear... Or to use one of your weapons against you "This is a matter of opinion only" I've been subscribed to this list for quite some time. I've tried to help where I know, I've tried interesting stuff that people discuss here. I've learned more than a few tricks just by watching the threads. Questions and answers that appear here have often inspired me (and given me the info) to write or revise Handbook sections and articles. But as of lately it seems my time is wasted in this fruitless discussion. > > Everything else is about some apps support that just happen to be in > ports - while question are completely non-FreeBSD specific and should > go to this app mailing list. Yes. So please tell me why you are asking Xorg questions here. Surely by your standards this should go to the Xorg mailing list then. And yes, this is you a few threads back: >> Server 1.5.3 also really wants to configure its input devices >> via hald. This is causing some issues with moused and >> /dev/sysmouse. There are a couple of options for how to deal > > one more question - does it mean that it "really wants" or "you don't > have a choice at all". > > I'm asking to know if i have to make a copy of current Xorg servers in > case of new installations. > > thank you very much > Even more stupid - there are question about windows which is even less > FreeBSD related. > > Well 10% is exaggerated, it's less. These are interoperability questions. Nobody here is asking Windows support questions. Not because there are not enough people here that could answer them (me included) but because it is really off topic. > > And will be even less within time, unless moderation will be started. Self moderation is the best discipline. If you feel the "official" FreeBSD lists are not good enough for your taste, you can always run your own. This list is just too much for me to bear at its present state. I will be turning off list delivery for a week, and I hope things will be calm again when I am back. Please all cool down. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
The above command works, for example, with a line printer (dotmatrix printer) with NO driver, even works with a HP Laserjet - it uses the built-in text fonts to print the text. You exaggerate, configuring /etc/printcap and filter is natural part of printer installation. incredibly simple to implement both in printer and software. but looks like too difficult for manufacturers. When they would tell on the box "Works with every system, no driver needed". As i already told, manufacturer don't need to say this, instead say the same as already says. Just sell THE SAME PRINTER with different product name/number as unix printer. And instead of attaching 5GB of super extra important stuff, just attach 1 page instruction about how to configure postscript filter by say ghostscript or maybe URL on their site with examples ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
(which appear to be significantly more strict than those of the list itself). How can you compare if there are no defined standard for that list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
On Thu, 28 May 2009 22:24:46 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > in general, I would agree, but some BASIC FUNCTIONALITY should > > be brought by the printer itself, and if it's only ASCII printing, > > so things like > > > > % ls /etc > /dev/ulpt0 > > what's wrong in ls /etc|lpr > ? The problem is that by default, no printer is talked to. If the printer has PS or PCL, gs or even apsfilter will help. The above command works, for example, with a line printer (dotmatrix printer) with NO driver, even works with a HP Laserjet - it uses the built-in text fonts to print the text. I just wish "modern" printers would at least have a single font for text printing - and finally a driver for FreeBSD (or much better, a standard compliance that makes use of PS, PCL or something similar). > it's even easier to set up that standard than it was to set up PCL > standard. > [...] > incredibly simple to implement both in printer and software. > > but looks like too difficult for manufacturers. When they would tell on the box "Works with every system, no driver needed", the customer would surely think that something is missing, like "batteries not includec" - "What? I have to buy extra batteries? No way!" :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
and browse http://localhost:8000 it certainly work ;) I use the proxy to protect my entire browsing session when on a public network -- not just for accessing freebsd.org. vtun could be useful for you, and it's much more straightforward method for tunneling ANY IP traffic. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
here - all the truly gifted people that can / do actually help get tired of the B$ and leave - and then we all suffer It's usually on topic. It gets off-topic more often when W. Puchar chips in, though. I am all bad things in the world you can imagine. I am devil himself. There is no cure for that. You have to accept it, or will fall into hell. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: What is this forum for?
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:20:51PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >Forget the sports - I'm talking hot women here! Your part of the world > >seems to be turning them out at a high rate! > > > >Oh wait, this has nothing to do with FBSD > > like most post on that list. Even if you remove all mails classified as > "flamewars" there is less than 10% about FreeBSD. > > Everything else is about some apps support that just happen to be in ports > - while question are completely non-FreeBSD specific and should go to this > app mailing list. Even more stupid - there are question about windows > which is even less FreeBSD related. > > Well 10% is exaggerated, it's less. > > And will be even less within time, unless moderation will be started. > > Of course moderation+clearly defined rules of this, so moderator humour > and preferences won't matter. A lot of this appears to be off-topic, especially by your own personal standards of "off-topic" (which appear to be significantly more strict than those of the list itself). Perhaps you shouldn't contribute to the problem. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Colleen McManus: "still, if you cut through all the bullshit, usually there's something that spawned it, other than an anus" pgpcstl5mzDkm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
in general, I would agree, but some BASIC FUNCTIONALITY should be brought by the printer itself, and if it's only ASCII printing, so things like % ls /etc > /dev/ulpt0 what's wrong in ls /etc|lpr ? Exactly, THAT's the problem. If all manufacturers would agree to have a certain standard about how printers can receive bitmapped it's even easier to set up that standard than it was to set up PCL standard. USB allows two-side communication and virtual pipes. so one pipe - printer control, command and response method, most important command - get printer capabilities like resolutions supported, color supported or not as MUST BE in standard, all extras like configuring paper source, setting up printer specific options (say toner economy mode) - optional. Another command - set mode (like 600 dpi, black&white). second pipe - just getting raw bitmap. incredibly simple to implement both in printer and software. but looks like too difficult for manufacturers. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:16:13PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > set SOCKS Host: 127.0.0.1 > > set Port: 8080 > > select "SOCKS v5" > > > >Using the proxy, trying to reach freebsd.org just gives me a blank page > >and (Untitled) in the Firefox tab. > > > well - same here. If you like to see just FreeBSD page then > > ssh -C -L 8000:69.147.83.33:80 yourhost > > and browse http://localhost:8000 > > it certainly work ;) I use the proxy to protect my entire browsing session when on a public network -- not just for accessing freebsd.org. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Colin McFadyen: "Unix is not an 'a-ha' experience, it is more of a 'holy-shit' experience." pgp5DzdCY2qvP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What is this forum for?
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 02:52:05PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: > Is this forum intended to ask "specific" type questions and hope to get > specific and relevant answers? Or, is it a blog to generalize, > theorize, banter, etc. about anything and everything? > > If the later - as it seems to be - I would like to chat about Russian, > Polish, etc. Women Tennis players and what they feed them over there! > Generally speaking and as a percentage of the populous - they're freakin > hot! Not to mention good players - they have like 50-70% of the > top 50 spots! > > I know I'm new (to this forum) and don't really have a right to b!tch > about anything yet - especially since I can't contribute much to FreeBSD > / *nix as I'm not all that skilled in the internal workings thereof. > However, if some of the c...@p I've seen here lately went on in other > "support" lists I'm associated with - it would NOT be tolerated. > > I like chatting / learning about all kinds of stuff, but on this forum I > expected it to be more on topic than off. For the most part I guess it > is on topic and maybe I'm just frustrated given a couple threads of > late. That said, I HOPE what has happened on other sites doesn't happen > here - all the truly gifted people that can / do actually help get tired > of the B$ and leave - and then we all suffer It's usually on topic. It gets off-topic more often when W. Puchar chips in, though. If you're new to this list, you may have just arrived at the wrong moment, when a W. Puchar flame war was in full swing. Please give it a little time. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] A: It reverses the normal flow of conversation. Q: What's wrong with top-posting? pgpVCgHmXNwT5.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: What is this forum for?
Forget the sports - I'm talking hot women here! Your part of the world seems to be turning them out at a high rate! Oh wait, this has nothing to do with FBSD like most post on that list. Even if you remove all mails classified as "flamewars" there is less than 10% about FreeBSD. Everything else is about some apps support that just happen to be in ports - while question are completely non-FreeBSD specific and should go to this app mailing list. Even more stupid - there are question about windows which is even less FreeBSD related. Well 10% is exaggerated, it's less. And will be even less within time, unless moderation will be started. Of course moderation+clearly defined rules of this, so moderator humour and preferences won't matter. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
set SOCKS Host: 127.0.0.1 set Port: 8080 select "SOCKS v5" Using the proxy, trying to reach freebsd.org just gives me a blank page and (Untitled) in the Firefox tab. well - same here. If you like to see just FreeBSD page then ssh -C -L 8000:69.147.83.33:80 yourhost and browse http://localhost:8000 it certainly work ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
I'm waiting for "certified professional FreeBSD Troll (TM)" printed and laminated certificate! should i give a snail-mail address? Write a letter to Redmond, they usually pay good if you are willing to propagate their opinion. :-) i want this certificate from man who call me troll, not Micro$oft. FreeBSD folks actually did A LOT OF WORK that they wasn't even supposed to do, and did it for free! Instead of hearing "Thank you, you made it at least partially working!" they here "FreeBSD FLASH support is a CRAP". Not polite and really they deserve better reward. I didn't say that FreeBSD's "Flash" support is crap, but in my You did not. Someone before said this. on FreeBSD deserve a big "Thank you, good work." exactly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:43:32 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > I don't agree it's bad idea of removing processing hardware from printer. > It's good idea as such processing is a blink of eye for today computers. in general, I would agree, but some BASIC FUNCTIONALITY should be brought by the printer itself, and if it's only ASCII printing, so things like % ls /etc > /dev/ulpt0 would work. For simple things, it's completely okay. > The problem is that there is NO STANDARD for raw bitmap printers. > If it would - then just adding this to ghostscript would be few hours of > work. Exactly, THAT's the problem. If all manufacturers would agree to have a certain standard about how printers can receive bitmapped content, everything would be easy. But as I said, printer manu- facturers don't intend to do so, because customers seem to like the shiny discs they need to spend some time with before being able to actually use their new printer. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: What is this forum for?
Forget the sports - I'm talking hot women here! Your part of the world seems to be turning them out at a high rate! Oh wait, this has nothing to do with FBSD -Original Message- From: Wojciech Puchar [mailto:woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:00 PM To: Gary Gatten Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? > Is this forum intended to ask "specific" type questions and hope to get > specific and relevant answers? Or, is it a blog to generalize, > theorize, banter, etc. about anything and everything? It is not enforced, there are no strict rules and no moderation, so while it's not yet a blog, it will be soon. Sorry for not responding to later, but i'm such unusual man that is completely not interested in sport news :) "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system." ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:47:04PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >>Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: > >>http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/91539 > > > >My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an > >SSH proxy (even though both the local machine and the proxy machine are > >FreeBSD systems, ironically). > > could you please tell how do you set up ssh proxy for that? > while i don't use ssh proxy that way, i really see no reason why it may > not work. on client, from shell prompt: ssh -D 8080 -p on client, in Firefox, under Advanced > Network > Connection Settings: select "Manual proxy configuration:" set SOCKS Host: 127.0.0.1 set Port: 8080 select "SOCKS v5" Aside from a nonstandard port, the server machine's OpenSSH configuration is basically default. There is a firewall/router between the server machine and the ISP. The ISP is Comcast. Using the proxy, trying to reach freebsd.org just gives me a blank page and (Untitled) in the Firefox tab. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Larry Niven: "That's the thing about people who think they hate computers. What they really hate is lousy programmers." pgpS5oJS3jGtn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What is this forum for?
Is this forum intended to ask "specific" type questions and hope to get specific and relevant answers? Or, is it a blog to generalize, theorize, banter, etc. about anything and everything? It is not enforced, there are no strict rules and no moderation, so while it's not yet a blog, it will be soon. Sorry for not responding to later, but i'm such unusual man that is completely not interested in sport news :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:29:40 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > but i said "thank you" for such nomination. i feel proud :) > I'm waiting for "certified professional FreeBSD Troll (TM)" printed and > laminated certificate! should i give a snail-mail address? Write a letter to Redmond, they usually pay good if you are willing to propagate their opinion. :-) > FreeBSD folks actually did A LOT OF WORK that they wasn't > even supposed to do, and did it for free! > > Instead of hearing "Thank you, you made it at least > partially working!" they here "FreeBSD FLASH support is a CRAP". > > Not polite and really they deserve better reward. I didn't say that FreeBSD's "Flash" support is crap, but in my opinion, "Flash" itself is crap as long as (a) it is mostly used to pollute the web and annoy its users, (b) used in a manner that often leaves no way to get around it and (c) it isn't a standard. Of course those who invest their time to make something work on FreeBSD that the original inventor had not designed to run on FreeBSD deserve a big "Thank you, good work." > It was his problem, and just don't care about him. But i really hate that > such lazy people that prefer buying new computers instead of thinking - > tries to TEACH others that it's the right way to go. Because "the right way" always depends on what someone is going to do with a computer, his way may be the right way for him, but the wrong way for e. g. me. > Being lazy is bad. Not thinking is bad. I am sometimes lazy and not always > think as good as i would like, but i don't tell people it is OK! > It is not! Thinking and ivesting time for learning is - for some people - the only way to get through life. They entirely depend on others who (re)install their PCs, attach their printers and get things done. In the result, those people say: "Wow, I'm so clever, that was really easy! I'm a Program Manager!" (I really met a person who called from himself as being a "Program Manager".) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Remotely edit user disk quota
And yes - i do log as root by "insecure" rsh and telnet. OK, I'm now promoting you to "batshit insane". Seriously, there's no excuse thank you very much. while i don't know exactly what is a difference between "batshit insane" and "insane" i feel really proud! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
1: Many (note all) of your posts in response to questions carry what we might call a snippy, kind of put down attitude toward the questioner. Even when you are quite correct in information and criticism, it is not received well if you also say something that appears to ridicule the OP and/or other posters. This is where I wonder if it is a language issue. Do you realize that you are jamming people in the manner of your posts? Take care of people's while sometimes it is what i want (when someone just attack me or just repeating nonsense), generally you exaggerate. might be received, then don't put in those words - just stick to the plain and dull technical information. Mostly i do if you read my answers. And i always try to help all people. Classic example is some kind of windows user (or maybe linux distro) that wants "easy system" and "desktop software". Telling him/her that it's better stick with windows is actually saving his/her time. There are no cases that such people will switch. i know HUNDREDS of people like this, everybody got back to windows. And i help FreeBSD too this way. Do you like more and more opinions like this: "I completely don't understand that hype about linux/FreeBSD. It's even more inconsistent, slow and make more problems that windows." I hear them often, and i understand them. 2: Although I have seen a number of valuable responses posted under your address (eg presumably helpfully posted by you), sometimes you seem to jump in to a question or thread when you really do not know the answer or really do not have anything to add. You see wrong. Probably because of few people that behave like having mental problems, and just criticizing ANYTHING i write. Any attempt to discuss only make it worse. Don't you think that it would be better AS YOU SAID - concentrate on topic, and not on your opinions about myself? While few may be true, most are just the result of too quick reading and are too much based of this few people i mentioned. Actually THEY starts "flamewar" because they don't use argument. And - no - i WILL NOT be telling what you or other want from me, but my opinions. There is no way to change it no matter how "politically incorrect" it is. I think it finally end in starting moderated maillist, because it's fine time to do so. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
I may add that I'm using FreeBSD exclusively (!) on my desktop since version 4.0 without any problems. I just don't describe the use "desktop" with "runs 'Flash' flawlessly". As Wojciech still today i don't get explanation what is "desktop usage". Well my second computer stays on the desk. is it desktop usage? your system. The FreeBSD OS is just the basis for this, not the entire means. Today there is a problem with global computer disinformation, started first by microsoft, but now continued by many else. Most common misconception is calling "Operating System" huge set of OS itself, tons of programs, GUI interfaces and even web browser. This make confusement on that list VERY often. Statements like "FreeBSD doesn't support FLASH well" are perfect examples. Wouldn't be just clear to say "Adobe doesn't support FLASH under FreeBSD"? So little change, and much closer to reality. printer: the PC and the license for "Windows". I'm not sure what this costs altogether, but maybe it justifies buying an office-class printer that is fully standard-compliant and will serve you more years than a non-printer would. Windows is usually OEM'ed, but it still costs over 50$ in price, not mentioning NEW computer. 250$ is probably the lowest price of computer with windows licence included, without monitor. Even expensive standard compliant printer is cheaper, and much easier to use. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
The problem is that most buyers are more happy when they get "added value" "for free" like tons of CD's Even if they never use it. but they HAVE. You probably observed already that lots of people buy things to HAVE them. You are right. Manufacturers do what market required, no matter how dumb it is. Those who didn't already failed. "The worst solution always prevails" and "People want crap, they get crap" seem to have established as laws of the market. Not all people, but most. The problem is that there are less and less people that do not want a crap. Low enough that making products for them isn't a business. As windows user may get scared hearing the word "unix", [...] No no, UNIX doesn't exist, and it's outdated anyway, just like mainframes. :-) oh yes i forgot. i just run lpr to print postscript file, or print directly from programs through lpr I'm happy to keep on doing so now, too. :-) 99.999% basic things that user needs is already invented on unix for even 20 or more years. Now we have more and more "new technologies" that reinvent it most more inefficient and overcomplex way. Even more - complexity is always marketed as adventage. That's intended by the marked (because users intend so). Buying new printers all day long is normal, so you always have a "top of the line" printer. :-) that will break down within at most 2 years. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: superpages?
[amd64, i386] The FreeBSD virtual memory subsystem now supports fully transparent use of superpages for application memory; application memory pages are dynamically promoted to or demoted from superpages without any modification to application code. This change offers the benefit of large page sizes such as improved virtual memory efficiency and reduced TLB (translation lookaside buffer) misses without downsides like application changes and virtual memory inflexibility. This is disabled by default and can be enabled by setting a loader tunable vm.pmap.pg_ps_enabled to 1. very important change. i will have to check. thank you very much ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
What is this forum for?
Is this forum intended to ask "specific" type questions and hope to get specific and relevant answers? Or, is it a blog to generalize, theorize, banter, etc. about anything and everything? If the later - as it seems to be - I would like to chat about Russian, Polish, etc. Women Tennis players and what they feed them over there! Generally speaking and as a percentage of the populous - they're freakin hot! Not to mention good players - they have like 50-70% of the top 50 spots! I know I'm new (to this forum) and don't really have a right to b!tch about anything yet - especially since I can't contribute much to FreeBSD / *nix as I'm not all that skilled in the internal workings thereof. However, if some of the c...@p I've seen here lately went on in other "support" lists I'm associated with - it would NOT be tolerated. I like chatting / learning about all kinds of stuff, but on this forum I expected it to be more on topic than off. For the most part I guess it is on topic and maybe I'm just frustrated given a couple threads of late. That said, I HOPE what has happened on other sites doesn't happen here - all the truly gifted people that can / do actually help get tired of the B$ and leave - and then we all suffer "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system." ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
Why did you (attempt to) answer the question in the first place then? Maybe he's trolling. Look how successful he was at instigating a flame war. . . . will not get any success without people like Chris Rees and few others. Actually - starting it was not my plan at all. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD
OMFG Can someone PLEASE just shoot me now!!! How much do I have to pay to make this thread and all the worthless babble therein go away forever? no way, but please think about financing, or even better gathering few people and convincing core team for setting up official MODERATED list. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/91539 My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an SSH proxy (even though both the local machine and the proxy machine are FreeBSD systems, ironically). could you please tell how do you set up ssh proxy for that? while i don't use ssh proxy that way, i really see no reason why it may not work. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Remotely edit user disk quota
On Thursday 28 May 2009 02:34:02 pm Wojciech Puchar wrote: > And yes - i do log as root by "insecure" rsh and telnet. OK, I'm now promoting you to "batshit insane". Seriously, there's no excuse for running telnet - even in a "secure" (ha!) environment - when so much better alternatives exist. Let me shoot you a hypothetical: your webserver gets compromised. The intruder uses a little ARP poisoning to launch a MITM attack between your workstation and the database server. He comes back a couple hours later and uses your plaintext root password to make a backup of your database for his personal use. Oh, but that could never happen to you, because you run a PtP VPN between every pair of machines on your network, said network being separated from the Internet by a 2 meter air gap and a Doberman Pinscher. Seriously, using telnet today is flat-out stupid, and I'd fire you in a second if you brought that level of bullheaded incompetence into my company. -- Kirk Strauser ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: character sets for file names on ufs?
what character set/encoding is used for file names in freebsd when i have a default ufs fs? it just write whatever program will give it. UFS does not recode anything. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
That was true in the past, but today, it's much more complicated than just regularing an article's quality over the price. You can - without any problems - get crap for (too) much money. You pay for a brand name, or a standard's name, but you get crap. HP products (printers, cameras, and other office equipment) are really perfect examples. I mean new HP products, not those 10-20 years ago where HP was expensive but really good. Exactly. Even el-anachronismo dotmatrix printers could turn simple text, transmitted to the parallel port, into printed form. Today's el-stupido printers can't. I don't agree it's bad idea of removing processing hardware from printer. It's good idea as such processing is a blink of eye for today computers. The problem is that there is NO STANDARD for raw bitmap printers. If it would - then just adding this to ghostscript would be few hours of work. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Remotely edit user disk quota
But if it is, why not? At least, the OP's description involving some time ago i heard from linux user that rshd is removed at all "because it's insecure". Just got another example how good decision i made moving away from it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Remotely edit user disk quota
I know I sound like Theo, but security and reliability are ALWAYS more important than overhead or speed. I really agree with You. That's why every admin (and user too) should think about what is he/she doing, instead of repeating the same mantras about security/insecurity of something. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Is this a gmirror bug?
? I think we must be talking about something different. In any event, what we have works quite well and I'm not about to change the process at this point... we already talked on priv and everything got explained :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:12:16AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, > >unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually > >just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a > >mailing list, or a team of more knowledgeable folks, etc. > > > >Boris did the right thing IMO by pointing at the donations pages. Two of > > Exactly. but it for sure wasn't what original "sponsoring offer wanted". > He wanted banner/logo advert on mine webpage. That was not what was stated in the email that started this thread. Why do you relentlessly ignore not only the actual wording of the original email, but also the corrections offered by others? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Yasir Arafat on religious wars: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend." pgpUATjH6IVvu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Remotely edit user disk quota
good as the weakest point. Of course you can add security by using SSH, and it's definitely indicated when doing things via the Internet. As long as you are inside your own net, covered from the Internet, with only trustworthy machines inside it, you could even use telnet. which i actually do. even more! i ALWAYS change configuration to allow root login from telnet rsh and ssh which is disabled by default. Even 15 seconds of thinking is enough to understand that logging to other user and then su - gives completely no extra security. And yes - i do log as root by "insecure" rsh and telnet. The only think you should be aware is to not do it when connection is from outside and insecure. This case i actually don't use even ssh if it's not mine computer. How can i be sure that ssh is secure, but keylogging isn't installed? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: www.freebsd.org problems (was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)
Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:00:56PM +0200, Fabian Keil wrote: > > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > > > 3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website > > > > > > > current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it works in > > > every browser. > > > > Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/91539 > > My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an > SSH proxy (even though both the local machine and the proxy machine are > FreeBSD systems, ironically). Interesting. I'm reaching the website through SSH without problems: Firefox -> Privoxy -> ssh -> sshd -> www.freebsd.org In related news, I've been using a Privoxy filter to fix the worst rendering issues for several years now, and I'm considering adding it to the port as well. After all it doesn't look like www/91539 is going to get fixed any time soon. As the archives will show, the problems were already known before the redesign went live, but nobody cared back then either. Fabian signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: character sets for file names on ufs?
On Thursday 28 May 2009 19:51:45 Tom Worster wrote: > what character set/encoding is used for file names in freebsd when i have a > default ufs fs? > > tom None. UFS is 8 bit clean, so you can basically use it with any 8bit character set. No encoding is enforced and no conversion is ever applied to file names on UFS. If you set your locale to UTF-8, you can use unicode characters in filenames. For instance: % touch "⡍⠜⠇⠑⠹ ⠺⠁⠎ ⠁⠎ ⠙⠑⠁⠙ ⠁⠎ ⠁ " % ls ⡍⠜⠇⠑⠹ ⠺⠁⠎ ⠁⠎ ⠙⠑⠁⠙ ⠁⠎ ⠁ % rm ⡍⠜⠇⠑⠹\ ⠺⠁⠎\ ⠁⠎\ ⠙⠑⠁⠙\ ⠁⠎\ ⠁\ % (I don't have a clue what that means btw) -- Pieter de Goeje ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
Actually, you are a troll. Actually, I allow myself to tell you that this is untrue. :-) but i said "thank you" for such nomination. i feel proud :) I'm waiting for "certified professional FreeBSD Troll (TM)" printed and laminated certificate! should i give a snail-mail address? He's right. FreeBSD is an advanced operating system that provides basic means to drivers and applications (and to do some other things). So it enables application programmers to write their programs for this platform. If they refuse to, why blame the system? I don't know. FreeBSD folks actually did A LOT OF WORK that they wasn't even supposed to do, and did it for free! Instead of hearing "Thank you, you made it at least partially working!" they here "FreeBSD FLASH support is a CRAP". Not polite and really they deserve better reward. As it has truthfully been mentioned, it would be possible for ...this parts removed as i fully agree and have nothing to add... Until a new printer doesn't support your "Windows" version anymore, or your new !Windows" version doesn't support your printer anymore. It was his problem, and just don't care about him. But i really hate that such lazy people that prefer buying new computers instead of thinking - tries to TEACH others that it's the right way to go. Being lazy is bad. Not thinking is bad. I am sometimes lazy and not always think as good as i would like, but i don't tell people it is OK! It is not! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD
OMFG Can someone PLEASE just shoot me now!!! How much do I have to pay to make this thread and all the worthless babble therein go away forever? -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Neal Hogan Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:15 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote: >> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> >> > exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it >> > because of forum - still read and posts here. >> >> None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. >> Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is >> irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and >> it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on >> this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly unappreciated. > > Actually, that's technically your estimation -- not your opinion. It may > be correct or incorrect (and if it's incorrect, then I'm incorrect too, > because I have come to the same conclusion), but the fact it's not a > settled matter doesn't mean it's opinion. The term opinion has a very > specific meaning, and this isn't it. > > Saying *you* don't appreciate it would be a matter of opinion. Saying > you think most people don't appreciate it would be an estimation of the > popularity of a given opinion -- but not an opinion itself. Huh? > > I don't mean to "bust your balls" on this, so to speak. I just want to > offer my thoughts on the matter of what does and does not constitute > opinion so that people who disdain what others observe but cannot > necessarily prove will not find it as easy to dismiss things as mere > "opinion". > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > Quoth Anonymous: "Why do we never have time to do it right, but always > have time to do it over?" > -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system." ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote: >> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> >> > exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it >> > because of forum - still read and posts here. >> >> None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. >> Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is >> irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and >> it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on >> this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly unappreciated. > > Actually, that's technically your estimation -- not your opinion. It may > be correct or incorrect (and if it's incorrect, then I'm incorrect too, > because I have come to the same conclusion), but the fact it's not a > settled matter doesn't mean it's opinion. The term opinion has a very > specific meaning, and this isn't it. > > Saying *you* don't appreciate it would be a matter of opinion. Saying > you think most people don't appreciate it would be an estimation of the > popularity of a given opinion -- but not an opinion itself. Huh? > > I don't mean to "bust your balls" on this, so to speak. I just want to > offer my thoughts on the matter of what does and does not constitute > opinion so that people who disdain what others observe but cannot > necessarily prove will not find it as easy to dismiss things as mere > "opinion". > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > Quoth Anonymous: "Why do we never have time to do it right, but always > have time to do it over?" > -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:12:11PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:38:46PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Of course - ban it! > > >> > > >> > > >> Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why > > >> I > > >> no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists > > >> turns > > > > > > If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) > > > > > > This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! > > > > Well, that certainly doesn't follow. > > Actually, that one does. > If you use FreeBSD because of the OS functionality/reliability, etc > then trashy noise on the questions list wouldn't make a difference > in your choice. If you stop using it because you don't like the > noise, then functionality is not your high priority.Maybe saying > 'at all' is over the top.But, anyway, the noise is getting tiresome - > even mine. False dichotomy. It is possible to value both the quality of the community support *and* the characteristics of the OS, and for sufficient problems in one to overcome the benefits of the other. It's not a matter of *only* the community discussion venue *or* the technical characteristics of the OS to matter. Both can matter and, when one fails spectacularly enough for a particular person's needs, it is perfectly reasonable to expect that person to choose a different OS based on a better (for his/her purposes) combination of OS and community quality. I, of course, tend to find the FreeBSD community quite wonderful, as OS communities go -- aside from one particular fly in the ointment. Combine that with the excellence of the documentation and the technical (and licensing) benefits of the OS itself, and I'm happy being here. I can understand how some of the failures in the community to be a perfect ray of sunshine might put off some users, though, without immediately jumping to the conclusion that those users don't give a crap about the quality of the OS at all. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Joel Ryder: "Ask Ren is definitely faster than Ask Jeeves. Jeeves doesn't give you an attitude though, so I guess it's a trade off." pgpD3kAfnVc4X.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: MAC_PORTACL Not Allowing Non-Super User Access to Port
Nevermind, forgot to set the following: net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedlow: 0 net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedhigh: 0 With these set, portacl is working as expected. On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Jon Passki wrote: > Hello, > > Full documentation here: > http://blog.cykyc.org/2009/05/macportacl-and-no-love.html > > Gist of it is that I enabled MAC_PORTACL and MAC, rebuilt the kernel > and installed it for testing. I was not able to get a non-super user > to open up a privileged port, though. > > What am I doing wrong? > > [2136] ~> sysctl -a security.mac > security.mac.max_slots: 4 > security.mac.version: 3 > security.mac.mmap_revocation_via_cow: 0 > security.mac.mmap_revocation: 1 > security.mac.portacl.rules: > security.mac.portacl.port_high: 1023 > security.mac.portacl.autoport_exempt: 1 > security.mac.portacl.suser_exempt: 1 > security.mac.portacl.enabled: 1 > [2136] ~> id > uid=1001(foo) gid=0(wheel) groups=0(wheel) > [2136] ~> sudo sysctl security.mac.portacl.rules=uid:1001:tcp:80 > Password: > security.mac.portacl.rules: -> uid:1001:tcp:80 > [2136] ~> nc -l 80 > nc: Permission denied > > TIA, > > Jon > -- Cheers, Jon Passki, Partner The Hursk Group, LLC "Obvia conspicimus, nubem pellente Mathesi." e: jon.pas...@hursk.com ph: 651/222.3020 cal: http://www.google.com/calendar/hosted/hursk.com/embed?src=jon.passki%40hursk.com pgp: 1BB0 A946 927B 93C3 ED6A 0466 6692 6C2C 84BE 4122 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > > exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it > > because of forum - still read and posts here. > > None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. > Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is > irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and > it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on > this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly unappreciated. Actually, that's technically your estimation -- not your opinion. It may be correct or incorrect (and if it's incorrect, then I'm incorrect too, because I have come to the same conclusion), but the fact it's not a settled matter doesn't mean it's opinion. The term opinion has a very specific meaning, and this isn't it. Saying *you* don't appreciate it would be a matter of opinion. Saying you think most people don't appreciate it would be an estimation of the popularity of a given opinion -- but not an opinion itself. I don't mean to "bust your balls" on this, so to speak. I just want to offer my thoughts on the matter of what does and does not constitute opinion so that people who disdain what others observe but cannot necessarily prove will not find it as easy to dismiss things as mere "opinion". -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Anonymous: "Why do we never have time to do it right, but always have time to do it over?" pgpdiGL52BNFa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: character sets for file names on ufs?
In the last episode (May 28), Tom Worster said: > what character set/encoding is used for file names in freebsd when i have > a default ufs fs? Whatever you want; ufs filenames have no assumed character set. zfs defaults to the same rules, but can enforce only valid utf8 filenames if the "utf8only" property is set. -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Remotely edit user disk quota
Well, I can transfer 25MB/s between hosts on the LAN without my CPU ever breaking 10% CPU usage. probably true, i never checked actually. i just don't understand such reasoning that you have to waste (even small) CPU power without sense. For example local private LAN or already-encrypted VPN network - which is common case in my case. Actually i don't use ssh at all except rare cases when i help someone else. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 05:44:29PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar : > >> > >> It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT > >> an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes > >> an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. > >> > >> You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should either quietly > >> stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were > >> wrong and apologise. > >> > > just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU > > DECIDED SO. > > Why did you (attempt to) answer the question in the first place then? Maybe he's trolling. Look how successful he was at instigating a flame war. . . . -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Bill McKibben: "The laws of Congress and the laws of physics have grown increasingly divergent, and the laws of physics are not likely to yield." pgp51FXEmpwTC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:00:56PM +0200, Fabian Keil wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > 3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website > > > > > current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it works in > > every browser. > > Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/91539 My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an SSH proxy (even though both the local machine and the proxy machine are FreeBSD systems, ironically). -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Paul Graham: "SUVs are gross because they're the solution to a gross problem. (How to make minivans look more masculine.)" pgpZJzyqE4d3s.pgp Description: PGP signature
character sets for file names on ufs?
what character set/encoding is used for file names in freebsd when i have a default ufs fs? tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Remotely edit user disk quota
On Thu, 28 May 2009 18:04:23 +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > [The OP] even said 'secure' twice. There is a web server involved, meaning > possibility of compromise (we all know how secure web servers tend to > be), and then one has access to network traffic for sniffing. Also, if > this is for quotas, then surely the people accessing the server via > *NFS* are inside the network? Yes, I agree to that, but it doesn't stand in any contradiction to what I said, or what Wojciech said. So for the OP, security is needed. As it has been mentioned, using encryption tunnels is one (valid) means to do this, SSH is another, and both of them can even be combined. If the environment is that insecure that it doesn't allow rsh / rlogin, then DO NOT USE IT. But if it is, why not? At least, the OP's description involving web servers doesn't justify using "just" rsh / rlogin, and not telnet, of course. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
On Thu, 28 May 2009 19:09:09 +0200, cpghost wrote:
> Basically put: you get what you pay for.
That was true in the past, but today, it's much more complicated
than just regularing an article's quality over the price. You
can - without any problems - get crap for (too) much money. You
pay for a brand name, or a standard's name, but you get crap.
I've seen a good example recently: A DVD recorder built (or
at least sold) by a company name most users are familiar with,
which quitted working after 1 year of regular use, and a
similar recorder by a manufacturer that's not so widely known,
which still works today. The known one was nearly 100 Euro
more expensive than the unknown one.
> Classic (non-win) printers do
> have circuitry on board to process PCL or PostScript, whereas
> el-cheapo win-printers come without this circuitry, and delegate
> pagesetting to a software driver.
Exactly. Even el-anachronismo dotmatrix printers could turn
simple text, transmitted to the parallel port, into printed
form. Today's el-stupido printers can't.
Can't print easily, but pretend to be more than they are (in
terms of overall quality, to which I add support for standards
or at least existance of a proper BSD driver): The include
a printer, a scanner, a fax machine and who knows what else...
> Same for modems vs. win-modems.
Exacltly. Those leave more to do for the computer that controls
it, and generates much more work for the processor, while the
easier variant would just be to transfer the data to the
device and let it print, even if it's "just" PCL.
> Of course, all this is well-known for a long time now. But what's
> worrying, is that economics of scale make it increasingly difficult to
> locate classic printers (and modems).
Yes. In most cases, you stick to 2nd hand office-class equipment.
It's bigger, may make more noise, but the history teaches that
it makes you more happy. :-)
> Fortunatly, they are still being
> made here and there, but for how long?
Customers do control this. A nice example are the IBM model M
keyboards. There are manufacturers that provide the quality and
the layout (without advertising keys) of these keyboards. (I'm
glad to own some of the original IBM ones, they will live longer
than I will.)
> What will we do a few years
> down the road in an environment where win-${device}s are ubiquitous?
Scenario A is to keep using used older equipment and to keep it
running by adequate means.
Scenario B is to use means of emulation and virtualization.
But more likely, this won't happen.
History has told, future will tell.
> Ultimately, we'll need a full-featured windowsolator a la NDISwrapper
> et al., so that we can use the Windows-only drivers natively on
> FreeBSD/{i386,amd64}.
That would conform to scenario B, but I'm sure we won't have to
think about it very much, because "Windows" is not the world. :-)
> At least x86-based systems will then work,
> although ARM and other platforms would still be left out in the cold.
Does "Windows" run on ARM? I'm sure UNIX does.
With the upcoming interest in ARM-based Netbooks 'n stuff I think
it will be less and less important. Today, Linux is more interesting
to industry and to enterprises than "Windows" is. I do see this in
Germany: "Windows" is considered more and more to be old-fashioned
(not very much in fact, but slightly increasing).
I hope this trend continues, so printer manufacturers (and those
that built other stuff used together with computers) will change
their attitude towards interoperability and standards.
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>From Magdeburg, Germany
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Re: superpages?
On Thu, 28 May 2009 17:17:38 +0200 cpghost wrote: > The following excerpt from: > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.2R/relnotes-detailed.html > may be helpful: > > [amd64, i386] The FreeBSD virtual memory subsystem now supports > fully transparent use of superpages for application memory; > application memory pages are dynamically promoted to or demoted from > superpages without any modification to application code. This change > offers the benefit of large page sizes such as improved virtual > memory efficiency and reduced TLB (translation lookaside buffer) > misses without downsides like application changes and virtual memory > inflexibility. Just out of idle curiosity, how does it work at the page queue level. Most of the references to superpages are in pmap.c and vm_reserv.c. I don't see any special handling in the pageout daemon where the inactive and active queues are handled. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: Is this a gmirror bug?
>I think he's refering to dumping the partitions of an already >installed "master system" into files, and then restoring them >into the partitions of the "other systems" as intended. This >would surely be easier than to pkg_add the software needed on >the "other systems"... We do follow that general mechanism, as far as cloning an existing system is concerned. You still have to create the original system though, and that's what I was referring to... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: RTL8111-GR driver for FreeBSD6.4
Yep. The 6.4 has the same thing. It looks like it did work. We had the Intel MB that had an Intel NIC and it was not supported on 6.4. I had ordered up the same MB with the Realtek NIC and just got it this morning. Seems to support it fine. Thanks for the posts. Troy Beisigl On May 28, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: says it support RTL8111 but i have FreeBSD 7.1 I have a 6.4 machine (about to be retired). On that machine, man 4 re says it supports the RTL8111S, but does not mention the RTL8111GR. My guess is that in 7.1 it too says only about "S", i assumed that S and GR are only different chip revisions/different functionality, maybe one have builtin PHY other external etc. etc. but it's software compatible. That's usual naming scheme of chips, but of course there may be exceptions. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org " ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
MAC_PORTACL Not Allowing Non-Super User Access to Port
Hello, Full documentation here: http://blog.cykyc.org/2009/05/macportacl-and-no-love.html Gist of it is that I enabled MAC_PORTACL and MAC, rebuilt the kernel and installed it for testing. I was not able to get a non-super user to open up a privileged port, though. What am I doing wrong? [2136] ~> sysctl -a security.mac security.mac.max_slots: 4 security.mac.version: 3 security.mac.mmap_revocation_via_cow: 0 security.mac.mmap_revocation: 1 security.mac.portacl.rules: security.mac.portacl.port_high: 1023 security.mac.portacl.autoport_exempt: 1 security.mac.portacl.suser_exempt: 1 security.mac.portacl.enabled: 1 [2136] ~> id uid=1001(foo) gid=0(wheel) groups=0(wheel) [2136] ~> sudo sysctl security.mac.portacl.rules=uid:1001:tcp:80 Password: security.mac.portacl.rules: -> uid:1001:tcp:80 [2136] ~> nc -l 80 nc: Permission denied TIA, Jon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 06:31:41PM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> As it has truthfully been mentioned, it would be possible for
> Adobe to release a native version of "Flash" for FreeBSD, even
> if they don't put their sources into BSDL. But they don't want
> to. (It's their right to do so, of course.)
More likely, they simply decided that supporting our OS was not worth
it, because we don't have the user base of Win32 or Linux.
> > Can you say the same thing about a FBSD
> > box? Not even close.
>
> This is intended to be that way. The printer manufactureres and
> the majority of their customers decided it.
Basically put: you get what you pay for. Classic (non-win) printers do
have circuitry on board to process PCL or PostScript, whereas
el-cheapo win-printers come without this circuitry, and delegate
pagesetting to a software driver. Same for modems vs. win-modems.
Of course, all this is well-known for a long time now. But what's
worrying, is that economics of scale make it increasingly difficult to
locate classic printers (and modems). Fortunatly, they are still being
made here and there, but for how long? What will we do a few years
down the road in an environment where win-${device}s are ubiquitous?
Ultimately, we'll need a full-featured windowsolator a la NDISwrapper
et al., so that we can use the Windows-only drivers natively on
FreeBSD/{i386,amd64}. At least x86-based systems will then work,
although ARM and other platforms would still be left out in the cold.
-cpghost.
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Re: Remotely edit user disk quota
2009/5/28 Polytropon : > On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:04:43 -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: >> Well, I can transfer 25MB/s between hosts on the LAN without my CPU ever >> breaking 10% CPU usage. I'm of the opinion that most people don't need to >> optimize for CPU in such cases when the security payoffs are so great. > > As Wojciech pointed out correctly before, security is only as > good as the weakest point. Of course you can add security by > using SSH, and it's definitely indicated when doing things via > the Internet. As long as you are inside your own net, covered > from the Internet, with only trustworthy machines inside it, > you could even use telnet. > > Connecting systems by a security tunnel that already adds means > of cryptography, and you consider this tunnel to be secure > enough, the above situation applies. But you can always SSH > inside a security tunnel, if you want. It just increases > security. "The more the better." :-) At the point where this > "the more" generates so much overhead that things are lagging, > stalling or just work much too slow, or slower than they > should, you can re-thing the situation. > > > > -- > Polytropon > >From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... I know I sound like Theo, but security and reliability are ALWAYS more important than overhead or speed. Always. Since the OP asked for How could I nicely and securely connect from the script on the web server to the file server, in order to edit the quota? It should be nice and secure and without password. He even said 'secure' twice. There is a web server involved, meaning possibility of compromise (we all know how secure web servers tend to be), and then one has access to network traffic for sniffing. Also, if this is for quotas, then surely the people accessing the server via *NFS* are inside the network? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Failure to get past a PCI bridge
On Thu, 28 May 2009 16:24:00 +0200, Josef Moellers wrote: > The install kernel then boots properly and reaches the "Country Selection". > At that point, no keyboard input is accepted. An optical mouse is off, > so I assume the keyboard to be off, too. Not neccessarily. Check the blinkenlights with caps lock, num lock and scroll lock (if present). If optical mouse doesn't have any light, it's nearly obvious that it doesn't get power from the USB port. This doesn't need to imply that the keyboard is off, too. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Remotely edit user disk quota
On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:04:43 -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: > Well, I can transfer 25MB/s between hosts on the LAN without my CPU ever > breaking 10% CPU usage. I'm of the opinion that most people don't need to > optimize for CPU in such cases when the security payoffs are so great. As Wojciech pointed out correctly before, security is only as good as the weakest point. Of course you can add security by using SSH, and it's definitely indicated when doing things via the Internet. As long as you are inside your own net, covered from the Internet, with only trustworthy machines inside it, you could even use telnet. Connecting systems by a security tunnel that already adds means of cryptography, and you consider this tunnel to be secure enough, the above situation applies. But you can always SSH inside a security tunnel, if you want. It just increases security. "The more the better." :-) At the point where this "the more" generates so much overhead that things are lagging, stalling or just work much too slow, or slower than they should, you can re-thing the situation. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Is this a gmirror bug?
On Thu, 28 May 2009 06:12:25 -0700, "Peter Steele" wrote: > >good but seems quite overcomplex expecially this pkg_add. > > > >why just not to compress whole filesystem(s) by tar+gzip? > > ? > > I think we must be talking about something different. In any event, what > we have works quite well and I'm not about to change the process at this > point... I think he's refering to dumping the partitions of an already installed "master system" into files, and then restoring them into the partitions of the "other systems" as intended. This would surely be easier than to pkg_add the software needed on the "other systems"... -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:09:41 -0400, Jerry wrote: > Actually, you are a troll. Actually, I allow myself to tell you that this is untrue. :-) He's right. FreeBSD is an advanced operating system that provides basic means to drivers and applications (and to do some other things). So it enables application programmers to write their programs for this platform. If they refuse to, why blame the system? As it has truthfully been mentioned, it would be possible for Adobe to release a native version of "Flash" for FreeBSD, even if they don't put their sources into BSDL. But they don't want to. (It's their right to do so, of course.) > Now that is a truly stupid statement. The usefulness of any OS or > applications is directly proportionate to the end users intended > purpose. No. The end user doesn't use the operating system, he uses his application programs (which, of course, depend on the operating system in many ways). That's how the usefulness of an application can be judged. The usefulness of an operating system is to be considered in terms of how good it provides ressources, documentation, inter- faces, standards, compatibility maybe. And in this case FreeBSD is excellent. > The bottom line is that using a Win PC box for a print server saves me > countless hours of frustration. Then it's completely fine for you, no disagreement. The question is - if you're interested in it: What have you learned? How does it help you in more difficult situations where you are presented to a specific setting and have to work with "means on board" (Bordmittel)? > I know that I can purchase virtually > any printer on the market today and have it up and running on the > Windows box in a few minutes. Until a new printer doesn't support your "Windows" version anymore, or your new !Windows" version doesn't support your printer anymore. > Can you say the same thing about a FBSD > box? Not even close. This is intended to be that way. The printer manufactureres and the majority of their customers decided it. > The idea behind any venture, be it personal or > business, is to find the cheapest and most efficient solution for a > given problem. I have found one that works just fine for me. Then again, it's okay for you, even if I don't consider it cheap (exta PC purchase, PC running, license) or most efficient (exta PC needed). -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint
On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:42:31 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > While FBSD has many fine uses, primarily in the server department, it > > is solely lacking as a full service desktop replacement for me. I > > As usual it depends on needs - for me it provides all i need for operating > system. But it's really off-topic I may add that I'm using FreeBSD exclusively (!) on my desktop since version 4.0 without any problems. I just don't describe the use "desktop" with "runs 'Flash' flawlessly". As Wojciech siad, it completely depends on what you are going to do with your system. The FreeBSD OS is just the basis for this, not the entire means. > > By the way, using a headless Win PC as a print server takes up virtually > > no space, its power consumption is inconsequential, and I am not even > > anyway buing standard-compliant printer seems like simpler and cheaper > solution for me. It's worth mentioning that you need to buy along with the printer: the PC and the license for "Windows". I'm not sure what this costs altogether, but maybe it justifies buying an office-class printer that is fully standard-compliant and will serve you more years than a non-printer would. > Even if it would be slightly more expensive, i would prefer it, to keep > things simple. Doesn't even need to be more expensive. It just depends on how much time (and here we are again) you spend on researching and evaluating which product is the best for your particular needs. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ANNOUNCE: OpenOffice.org 3.1 (i386) packages now available
On 5/28/09, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Paul B. Mahol wrote: >>> >>> Are extensions working for you? >>> >> >> After little exploration this is already known problem: ports/129308 >> >> > > > Haven't tried extensions (rarely use any) but thanks for letting us know. > Was this working on 3.01? Never tried(..) But it is know problem on >=7.0 and there is at least two PR related to such issue. ports/127946 appears to have working solution. -- Paul ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
