Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: Philip M. Gollucci wrote: It might be nice to have freebsd-update update this portion of the kernel even if thats the only part thats updated. What me bugs most is that if you do make installworld, freebsd-update still wants to update everything. By the way, is there some way I can verify that my system has been patched for the newer updates? (Just so that I get the nagging feeling off my head that something's not alright). Some way I can check the named executable for instance to see its the latest ...? That indeed would be nice. Peter - -- http://www.boosten.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGuq2Srvsez6l/SvARAlqNAJ9PAS43auLnJhIYFMSYAchEjTTxsgCgzdJX 9CEDdwjHG8CG1MINhbF+kWM= =Krd8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7?
What me bugs most is that if you do make installworld, freebsd-update still wants to update everything. Oh, why does it do that? freebsd-update maintains a separate database or something of what's to be updated and not? Regards, Rakhesh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: What me bugs most is that if you do make installworld, freebsd-update still wants to update everything. Oh, why does it do that? freebsd-update maintains a separate database or something of what's to be updated and not? Yup, probably. Also (I think) there's no synchronisation between freebsd-update and options you set in /etc/make.conf (again, I'm not sure about this, but I do not want to try). For instance: in my make.conf is NO_BIND=true, because I upgraded to bind 9 long time ago and update it from ISC source. The latest patches however wanted to overwrite my named. Enough wining however: freebsd rocks :-) Peter - -- http://www.boosten.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGurbhrvsez6l/SvARAiF0AJ9bh+WV4Gh5P/35uAg1tlr67xXYogCffs+6 vedpJU0m8kexhJXJeSt8NwY= =+1UA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Qlogic FC-card can't find disk on SATAbeast
(This SAN-stuff is one of my weak subjects, so please excuse me if I use the wrong terms. If there is a better list to ask this question, please tell me.) HW: ProLiant DL380 G4 OS: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7 FC-card: isp0: Qlogic ISP 2312 PCI FC-AL Adapter port 0x5000-0x50ff mem 0xfdff-0xfdff0fff irq 97 at device 1.0 on pci10 ~/#kldstat Id Refs AddressSize Name 19 0xc040 7261f4 kernel 21 0xc0b27000 93040ispfw.ko 31 0xc0bbb000 59f20acpi.ko 41 0xc6dea000 16000linux.ko I am trying to access a disk-device on a SATABeast, but no success: ~/#camcontrol rescan all Re-scan of bus 0 was successful Re-scan of bus 1 was successful Re-scan of bus 2 was successful Re-scan of bus 3 was successful ~/#camcontrol devlist -v scbus0 on ciss0 bus 0: COMPAQ RAID 1 VOLUME OK at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,da0) scbus1 on ciss0 bus 32: scbus2 on ciss0 bus 33: scbus3 on isp0 bus 0: at scbus3 target -1 lun -1 () scbus-1 on xpt0 bus 0: at scbus-1 target -1 lun -1 (xpt0) If we try to connect the fibre to our HP EVA SAN the disk shows up after a 'rescan all' which makes me believe that I have not done any major screw-ups in configuring the card. I can see the device and LUN-number if I enter the cards BIOS, but not from FreeBSD. We have tried changing disk-size and LUN-number on the Beast. Any ideas? -- Ingeborg Østrem Hellemo -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Univ. of Tromsø, Norway) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Supported ???
Hello, Is the following audio '82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio' supported on FreeBSD6.2? If so, which device do I need to load in the kernel or how can I get it to work. Many thanks, Alain ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Partitioning question
Hello, I've partitioned my HD into 3 partitions. One is currently running FreeBSD6.2, the second has my data files (home directories). On the third I would like to install FreeBSD-current to play around a bit and get more familiar with the OS. Is it possible after the installation of current on the 3rd partition that I can use my data files (home directories) without messing up the permissions/etc? So finally I would like to have Multiboot (FreeBSD 6.2 and Current) which both use the same userspace (second partition) Please let me know if this is not clear. Thanks, Alain ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partitioning question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alain G. Fabry wrote: Is it possible after the installation of current on the 3rd partition that I can use my data files (home directories) without messing up the permissions/etc? As long as the UIDs are the same it should work. Peter - -- http://www.boosten.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGurwJrvsez6l/SvARAiUgAJ9OUJZiAFVPMv+A+6KEjVvyRdPeqwCg4clG Cmv5TUZiRtZUKr7upO3N+CE= =ZA4m -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
controller/driver or disk problem?
is that this wrong or controler has problems? ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=434853328 ad4: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA48 status=51READY,DSC,ERROR error=10NID_NOT_FOUND LBA=434853328 GEOM_ELI: Crypto WRITE request failed (error=5). ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=220033572864, length=204800)] g_vfs_done():ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=220033572864, length=204800)]error = 5 ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=482804832 ad4: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA48 status=51READY,DSC,ERROR error=10NID_NOT_FOUND LBA=482804832 GEOM_ELI: Crypto WRITE request failed (error=5). ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=244584873984, length=8192)] g_vfs_done():ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=244584873984, length=8192)]error = 5 ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=433091792 ad4: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA48 status=51READY,DSC,ERROR error=10NID_NOT_FOUND LBA=433091792 GEOM_ELI: Crypto WRITE request failed (error=5). ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=219131797504, length=188416)] g_vfs_done():ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=219131797504, length=188416)]error = 5 de2: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to 128|512) ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=451949776 ad4: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA48 status=51READY,DSC,ERROR error=10NID_NOT_FOUND LBA=451949776 GEOM_ELI: Crypto WRITE request failed (error=5). ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=228787085312, length=466944)] g_vfs_done():ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=228787085312, length=466944)]error = 5 ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=451990976 ad4: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA48 status=51READY,DSC,ERROR error=10NID_NOT_FOUND LBA=451990976 GEOM_ELI: Crypto WRITE request failed (error=5). ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=228807786496, length=524288)] g_vfs_done():ad4d.eli[WRITE(offset=228807786496, length=524288)]error = 5 de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to 128|512) ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA retrying (1 retry left) LBA=59163904 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qlogic FC-card can't find disk on SATAbeast
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Ingeborg Hellemo wrote: (This SAN-stuff is one of my weak subjects, so please excuse me if I use the wrong terms. If there is a better list to ask this question, please tell me.) HW: ProLiant DL380 G4 OS: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7 FC-card: isp0: Qlogic ISP 2312 PCI FC-AL Adapter port 0x5000-0x50ff mem 0xfdff-0xfdff0fff irq 97 at device 1.0 on pci10 ~/#kldstat Id Refs AddressSize Name 19 0xc040 7261f4 kernel 21 0xc0b27000 93040ispfw.ko 31 0xc0bbb000 59f20acpi.ko 41 0xc6dea000 16000linux.ko I am trying to access a disk-device on a SATABeast, but no success: ~/#camcontrol rescan all Re-scan of bus 0 was successful Re-scan of bus 1 was successful Re-scan of bus 2 was successful Re-scan of bus 3 was successful ~/#camcontrol devlist -v scbus0 on ciss0 bus 0: COMPAQ RAID 1 VOLUME OK at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,da0) scbus1 on ciss0 bus 32: scbus2 on ciss0 bus 33: scbus3 on isp0 bus 0: at scbus3 target -1 lun -1 () scbus-1 on xpt0 bus 0: at scbus-1 target -1 lun -1 (xpt0) If we try to connect the fibre to our HP EVA SAN the disk shows up after a 'rescan all' which makes me believe that I have not done any major screw-ups in configuring the card. I can see the device and LUN-number if I enter the cards BIOS, but not from FreeBSD. We have tried changing disk-size and LUN-number on the Beast. Any ideas? In such a case I'd try to boot the system using Knoppix or any other Linux system. Maybe this will give you some additional diagnostics which helps to make progress with FreeBSD. On the other hand, if Linux doesn't see the disk too, you'd have to look closer to your hardware. Best regards Konrad Heuer GWDG, Am Fassberg, 37077 Goettingen, Germany, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out
Dear list,
There is a problem with performing a dump from our webserver at the data
centre to a backup machine at the office. Everytime we try to perform a dump,
the SSH tunnel dies:
# /sbin/dump -0uan -L -h 0 -f - / | /usr/bin/bzip2 | /usr/bin/ssh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] \
dd of=/backup/webserver/root.0.bz2
DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed Aug 8 20:58:51 2007
DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch
DUMP: Dumping snapshot of /dev/da0s1a (/) to standard output
DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files]
DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories]
DUMP: estimated 60746 tape blocks.
DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories]
DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files]
Read from remote host office.example.com: Operation timed out
DUMP: Broken pipe
DUMP: The ENTIRE dump is aborted.
Here are some facts about the situation:
* The client (where the dup takes place) runs FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4
* The server (at the office) runs FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE
* Both hosts have ipf installed
* Some IPF rules from the client:
pass out quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state
pass out quick on bge0 proto udp from any to any keep state
pass out quick on bge0 proto icmp from any to any keep state
pass out quick on bge0 proto gre from any to any keep state
pass out quick on bge0 proto esp from any to any keep state
pass out quick on bge0 proto ah from any to any keep state
block out quick on bge0 all
pass in quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 flags S keep
state
block return-rst in log quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any
block in quick on bge0 proto tcp all flags S
block return-icmp-as-dest(port-unr) in log quick on bge0 proto udp from
any
to any
block in log quick on bge0 all
* Some IPF rules from the server:
pass out quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state
pass out quick on re0 proto udp from any to any keep state
pass out quick on re0 proto icmp from any to any keep state
pass out quick on re0 proto gre from any to any keep state
pass out quick on re0 proto esp from any to any keep state
pass out quick on re0 proto ah from any to any keep state
pass out quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 keep state
pass in quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 flags S keep
state
block return-rst in quick on re0 proto tcp all flags S
block in quick on re0 proto tcp all flags S
block return-icmp-as-dest(port-unr) in log quick on re0 proto udp from
any to
any
block in log quick on re0 all
* I've tried with TCPKeepAlive off
* Setting ClientAlive{Interval,CountMax} on the server did not improve things.
* Setting ServerAlive{Interval,CountMax} on the client neither, although I got
a different error:
DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed Aug 8 21:05:26 2007
DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch
DUMP: Dumping snapshot of /dev/da0s1f (/usr) to standard output
DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files]
DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories]
DUMP: estimated 429177 tape blocks.
DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories]
DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files]
Received disconnect from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: 2: Timeout, your session not
responding.
DUMP: Broken pipe
DUMP: The ENTIRE dump is aborted.
* A dump from the client machine to another server works fine. The receiving
host has a similar internet connection as the office (cable).
* A dump from another webserver of ours, running FreeBSD-4.10-RELEASE in
another data centre can dump fine to the office with the same construction.
This webserver uses IPFW.
* Uploading a big file (200M) over SFTP to the 6.2 webserver causes no
problems.
* Downloading the very same big file over SCP causes problems too, below some
SCP debug output. The connection drops quickly after it gained a reasonable
download speed.
Read from remote host office.example.com: Connection reset by peer
debug1: Transferred: stdin 0, stdout 0, stderr 77 bytes in 103.3 seconds
debug1: Bytes per second: stdin 0.0, stdout 0.0, stderr 0.7
debug1: Exit status -1
lost connection
* Maybe the MTU value was the cause, but setting them to 1472 on both sides
didn't improve the situation as well.
So as you may see I've tried a lot of things in order to make the dump work,
but so far no luck. Probably I'm missing something crucial. I think it has
something to do with the statetables in the firewall, but I was not able to
succeed with that assumption.
Any suggestion is very welcome.
Kind regards,
--
Bram Schoenmakers
What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind.
(Punch, 1855)
___
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7?
Peter Boosten wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: What me bugs most is that if you do make installworld, freebsd-update still wants to update everything. Oh, why does it do that? freebsd-update maintains a separate database or something of what's to be updated and not? Yup, probably. Also (I think) there's no synchronisation between freebsd-update and options you set in /etc/make.conf (again, I'm not sure about this, but I do not want to try). For instance: in my make.conf is NO_BIND=true, because I upgraded to bind 9 long time ago and update it from ISC source. The latest patches however wanted to overwrite my named. Enough wining however: freebsd rocks :-) Touche! FreeBSD rocks! :) freebsd-update does binary updates. I guess that's why it doesn't honour the options in make.conf? But what you say is a point nevertheless. If I were to use the newer version of BIND from ports (for instance), then freebsd-update would end up replacing it ... hmm, not nice. Maybe there's some way to ignore certain stuff through freebsd-update.conf(5)? The IgnorePaths setting seems an option where one can set paths to be ignore ... I suppose that can be used in such a situation? (Any examples anyone?) Regards, Rakhesh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partitioning question
Peter Boosten wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alain G. Fabry wrote: Is it possible after the installation of current on the 3rd partition that I can use my data files (home directories) without messing up the permissions/etc? As long as the UIDs are the same it should work. Yup. And (not sure if this is the default) while installing FreeBSD-current tell it *not* to NewFS to second partition. Else you'd lose whatever home directories+data that are already there ... Regards, Rakhesh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out
On Thursday 09 August 2007 11:25, Bram Schoenmakers wrote: Dear list, There is a problem with performing a dump from our webserver at the data centre to a backup machine at the office. Everytime we try to perform a dump, the SSH tunnel dies: # /sbin/dump -0uan -L -h 0 -f - / | /usr/bin/bzip2 | /usr/bin/ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ dd of=/backup/webserver/root.0.bz2 DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed Aug 8 20:58:51 2007 DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch DUMP: Dumping snapshot of /dev/da0s1a (/) to standard output DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] DUMP: estimated 60746 tape blocks. DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] Read from remote host office.example.com: Operation timed out DUMP: Broken pipe DUMP: The ENTIRE dump is aborted. Here are some facts about the situation: * The client (where the dup takes place) runs FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4 * The server (at the office) runs FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE * Both hosts have ipf installed * Some IPF rules from the client: pass out quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state pass out quick on bge0 proto udp from any to any keep state pass out quick on bge0 proto icmp from any to any keep state pass out quick on bge0 proto gre from any to any keep state pass out quick on bge0 proto esp from any to any keep state pass out quick on bge0 proto ah from any to any keep state block out quick on bge0 all pass in quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 flags S keep state block return-rst in log quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any block in quick on bge0 proto tcp all flags S block return-icmp-as-dest(port-unr) in log quick on bge0 proto udp from any to any block in log quick on bge0 all * Some IPF rules from the server: pass out quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state pass out quick on re0 proto udp from any to any keep state pass out quick on re0 proto icmp from any to any keep state pass out quick on re0 proto gre from any to any keep state pass out quick on re0 proto esp from any to any keep state pass out quick on re0 proto ah from any to any keep state pass out quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 keep state pass in quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 flags S keep state block return-rst in quick on re0 proto tcp all flags S block in quick on re0 proto tcp all flags S block return-icmp-as-dest(port-unr) in log quick on re0 proto udp from any to any block in log quick on re0 all These rules deny incoming ICMP in general, Path MTU discovery will be broken. [snip] * Maybe the MTU value was the cause, but setting them to 1472 on both sides didn't improve the situation as well. Try using a much lower MTU, something like 1400 or perhaps lower, just for testing. You should configure this, on both client and server. I'm not familiar with ipf to give the exact rule, but I would allow ALL ICMP traffic, at least for testing purposes. I think this is correct: pass out quick proto icmp from any to any pass in quick proto icmp from any to any somewhere above the block in log quick on re0 all rule. Hope this helps a bit Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qlogic FC-card can't find disk on SATAbeast
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:08:02AM +0200, Konrad Heuer wrote: On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Ingeborg Hellemo wrote: (This SAN-stuff is one of my weak subjects, so please excuse me if I use the wrong terms. If there is a better list to ask this question, please tell me.) HW: ProLiant DL380 G4 OS: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7 FC-card: isp0: Qlogic ISP 2312 PCI FC-AL Adapter port 0x5000-0x50ff mem 0xfdff-0xfdff0fff irq 97 at device 1.0 on pci10 ~/#kldstat Id Refs AddressSize Name 19 0xc040 7261f4 kernel 21 0xc0b27000 93040ispfw.ko 31 0xc0bbb000 59f20acpi.ko 41 0xc6dea000 16000linux.ko I am trying to access a disk-device on a SATABeast, but no success: ~/#camcontrol rescan all Re-scan of bus 0 was successful Re-scan of bus 1 was successful Re-scan of bus 2 was successful Re-scan of bus 3 was successful ~/#camcontrol devlist -v scbus0 on ciss0 bus 0: COMPAQ RAID 1 VOLUME OK at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,da0) scbus1 on ciss0 bus 32: scbus2 on ciss0 bus 33: scbus3 on isp0 bus 0: at scbus3 target -1 lun -1 () scbus-1 on xpt0 bus 0: at scbus-1 target -1 lun -1 (xpt0) If we try to connect the fibre to our HP EVA SAN the disk shows up after a 'rescan all' which makes me believe that I have not done any major screw-ups in configuring the card. I can see the device and LUN-number if I enter the cards BIOS, but not from FreeBSD. We have tried changing disk-size and LUN-number on the Beast. Any ideas? In such a case I'd try to boot the system using Knoppix or any other Linux system. Maybe this will give you some additional diagnostics which helps to make progress with FreeBSD. On the other hand, if Linux doesn't see the disk too, you'd have to look closer to your hardware. Does your SATAbeast have a LUN exported to your host? -- Regards, Ulf. - Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 You can find my resume at: http://www.Alameda.net/~ulf/resume.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bram Schoenmakers wrote: Dear list, There is a problem with performing a dump from our webserver at the data centre to a backup machine at the office. Everytime we try to perform a dump, the SSH tunnel dies: [snip] * The client (where the dup takes place) runs FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4 * The server (at the office) runs FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE Last week I did a dump from 6.2 to 6.2 _over the internet_ without any problems, so IMHO it's not OS related. Peter - -- http://www.boosten.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGutj4rvsez6l/SvARAglMAJ9Qtj9HmBiKTG2FHC0GdK9/NYEnzwCgn0v3 ww1Wctmai/y0Y8VZuFDW3mI= =6z4D -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qlogic FC-card can't find disk on SATAbeast
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Does your SATAbeast have a LUN exported to your host? Yes, and we have also experimented with different sizes and different LUN-numbers ( 16, 16). The Beast can see the card on the host. A point perhaps worth mentioning is that there exists a SAN-switch between the host and the Beast. --Ingeborg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
Latitude wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other operating systems? I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem to understand the monumental fear involved in switching operating systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives to what I have. Help me (and yourselves) out. We migrated from Windows to Linux and then to FreeBSD. We develop and deploy web based applications using open source tools. Our goal was to find a reliable trouble-free open source operating system to standardize on. We found that in FreeBSD and have been very happy ever since we made the switch. It is one of our decisions that we never regretted. We also use the same release of FreeBSD on our development systems. That way, we develop on the same platform that deploy. We find that this helps avoid hassles when it is time to deploy an update. We do have Mac laptops to help support some applications such as Dreamweaver that are not available on FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon do not switch to freebsd. use windows if you have to be convinced. switch when you will convince yourself. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
I am a new arrival to *BSD though I have used Linux for ten years. I think that if you want a working system right off the bat, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD would be a better introduction for you. The most windows-like system (of which are you talking about) is windows. just keep with it ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partitioning question
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:57:36AM +0200, Alain G. Fabry wrote: Hello, I've partitioned my HD into 3 partitions. One is currently running FreeBSD6.2, the second has my data files (home directories). On the third I would like to install FreeBSD-current to play around a bit and get more familiar with the OS. Is it possible after the installation of current on the 3rd partition that I can use my data files (home directories) without messing up the permissions/etc? So finally I would like to have Multiboot (FreeBSD 6.2 and Current) which both use the same userspace (second partition) Sure, no problem.Just make a mount point for it and put it in /etc/fstab in both versions. Note, that I believe you are speaking of 'slices' when you say 'partition'. In FreeBSD UNIX world, the slice is the major division on the disk that is numbered 1..4 and a partition is a subdivision of a slice, labeled a..h. So, maybe your have 6.2 installed in da0s1[a..h] and that extra data written to da0s2a and plan to install 'current' to da0s3[a..h]. jerry Please let me know if this is not clear. Other than the possible conflicting use of the term partition, it is clear. jerry Thanks, Alain ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:25:41AM +0200, Bram Schoenmakers wrote:
Dear list,
There is a problem with performing a dump from our webserver at the data
centre to a backup machine at the office. Everytime we try to perform a dump,
the SSH tunnel dies:
# /sbin/dump -0uan -L -h 0 -f - / | /usr/bin/bzip2 | /usr/bin/ssh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] \
dd of=/backup/webserver/root.0.bz2
DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed Aug 8 20:58:51 2007
DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch
DUMP: Dumping snapshot of /dev/da0s1a (/) to standard output
DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files]
DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories]
DUMP: estimated 60746 tape blocks.
DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories]
DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files]
Read from remote host office.example.com: Operation timed out
DUMP: Broken pipe
DUMP: The ENTIRE dump is aborted.
Note:I have been getting something that looks very similar when I
try to dump a large file system - actually not all that large, just
about 30 GB - over the net to a different machine. The one with the
tape is running a quite old FreeBSD - around 4.9 I think - and can't
be upgraded at the moment. The one I am attempting to dump is on 6.1 -
which I want to move to 6.2, but have been stalling because I haven't
been able to get a good dump.
I don't have anything to add to Bram's facts here, just that the
timeout like this is happening on another system too.
jerry
Here are some facts about the situation:
* The client (where the dup takes place) runs FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4
* The server (at the office) runs FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE
* Both hosts have ipf installed
* Some IPF rules from the client:
pass out quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state
pass out quick on bge0 proto udp from any to any keep state
pass out quick on bge0 proto icmp from any to any keep state
pass out quick on bge0 proto gre from any to any keep state
pass out quick on bge0 proto esp from any to any keep state
pass out quick on bge0 proto ah from any to any keep state
block out quick on bge0 all
pass in quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 flags S keep
state
block return-rst in log quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any
block in quick on bge0 proto tcp all flags S
block return-icmp-as-dest(port-unr) in log quick on bge0 proto udp from
any
to any
block in log quick on bge0 all
* Some IPF rules from the server:
pass out quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state
pass out quick on re0 proto udp from any to any keep state
pass out quick on re0 proto icmp from any to any keep state
pass out quick on re0 proto gre from any to any keep state
pass out quick on re0 proto esp from any to any keep state
pass out quick on re0 proto ah from any to any keep state
pass out quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 keep state
pass in quick on re0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 flags S keep
state
block return-rst in quick on re0 proto tcp all flags S
block in quick on re0 proto tcp all flags S
block return-icmp-as-dest(port-unr) in log quick on re0 proto udp from
any to
any
block in log quick on re0 all
* I've tried with TCPKeepAlive off
* Setting ClientAlive{Interval,CountMax} on the server did not improve things.
* Setting ServerAlive{Interval,CountMax} on the client neither, although I
got
a different error:
DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed Aug 8 21:05:26 2007
DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch
DUMP: Dumping snapshot of /dev/da0s1f (/usr) to standard output
DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files]
DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories]
DUMP: estimated 429177 tape blocks.
DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories]
DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files]
Received disconnect from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: 2: Timeout, your session not
responding.
DUMP: Broken pipe
DUMP: The ENTIRE dump is aborted.
* A dump from the client machine to another server works fine. The receiving
host has a similar internet connection as the office (cable).
* A dump from another webserver of ours, running FreeBSD-4.10-RELEASE in
another data centre can dump fine to the office with the same construction.
This webserver uses IPFW.
* Uploading a big file (200M) over SFTP to the 6.2 webserver causes no
problems.
* Downloading the very same big file over SCP causes problems too, below some
SCP debug output. The connection drops quickly after it gained a reasonable
download speed.
Read from remote host office.example.com: Connection reset by peer
debug1: Transferred: stdin 0, stdout 0, stderr 77 bytes in 103.3 seconds
debug1: Bytes per second: stdin 0.0, stdout 0.0, stderr 0.7
debug1: Exit status -1
lost connection
* Maybe the MTU
Re: Qlogic FC-card can't find disk on SATAbeast
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: In such a case I'd try to boot the system using Knoppix or any other Linux system. Maybe this will give you some additional diagnostics which helps to make progress with FreeBSD. On the other hand, if Linux doesn't see the disk too, you'd have to look closer to your hardware. New data point: We moved the card to a machine running CentOS with drivers from Qlogic and experienced no problems in finding the drive, making partitions etc. I guess this means that there are no HW or wiring problems and that the problems lies within the isp(4) driver. Suggestions? -- Ingeborg Østrem Hellemo -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Univ. of Tromsø, Norway) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
In response to Latitude [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other operating systems? I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem to understand the monumental fear involved in switching operating systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives to what I have. Help me (and yourselves) out. Flame me if you want, I won't respond. I'll speak my peace and be done. First off, I don't know where you got the misguided idea that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. It's not, and it never will be. If you want something that endeavours to make your life easy, something that takes control away from you so a corporate entity can decide what you want and when you want it, something that lies to you about what's going on to protect you from having to understanding it instead of _letting_you_actually_ _use_your_computer_, something that always has another license fee hidden where you didn't see, but that license will (allegedly) take care of the problem you have today, if you work for a big company where you want someone else to blame if something goes wrong (because nobody ever got fired for buying IBM) instead of actually doing your job, something where the people who create it for you are inaccessible and there's no real community -- then you should use Windows and stop worrying about switching to something else. If you want to be in control of your computer and things related to your computer, then you'd better accept that to have control you've got to have a better understanding of how things work (i.e. the jargon). If you want to have computer software that is open to you for inspection and improvement without any hidden strings attached, then you'd better accept that you'll need to have an understanding of what you're inspecting before you can inspect it. If you want to be part of a community and have the opportunity to talk to the movers and shakers who are doing historically significant stuff with computers, you're going to have to understand WTF they're saying when they talk. If you're willing to take on those responsibilities, then FreeBSD is an excellent platform to allow you to pursue cool computer stuff. If you want something that pretends to be Windows easy and FreeBSD free at the same time, accomplishing both with acceptable meritocracy, then you should look at PC-BSD. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
Local system status: 3:01AM up 521 days, 19:57, 0 users, load averages: 0.12, 0.05, 0.02 (FreeBSD 4.4) -Grant - Original Message - From: Wojciech Puchar To: Pollywog Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:04 AM Subject: Re: Convince me, please! I am a new arrival to *BSD though I have used Linux for ten years. I think that if you want a working system right off the bat, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD would be a better introduction for you. The most windows-like system (of which are you talking about) is windows. just keep with it ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Total Control Panel Login To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Block messages from this sender (blacklist) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove this sender from my whitelist You received this message because the sender is on your whitelist. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
Latitude [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. It's up to you to figure out if you like it or not. If you install it and have any questions, this is the place to ask. It's your *choice*, not any one person's responsibility to convince you. You don't realize how entitled that sounds? At least you said please. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. You'll have that, it's the FreeBSD website. I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. Then I think you have your answer already. For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out what's going on? You obviously haven't read the handbook.: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html Careful though, it's chock full of FreeBSD speak. Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet connection right off the bat? Did I mention the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html How will I migrate files from other operating systems? That *choice* is yours. I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem to understand the monumental fear involved in switching operating systems. If you're afraid, then you should probably never try anything new. Ever. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. LOL, only my wife tells me what I need to do. I need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives to what I have. You do, do you? Try giving this a shot. Install it, with the help of the handbook and the fine people on this list, setup a GUI for yourself and you can take as many screenshots as your little heart desires. Really, you can! Help me (and yourselves) out. I'm not sure anyone can help you. Here's what you need to get started: a positive attitude; a can do attitude. Picture yourself as one of history's great explorer's, put your fear aside and jump in with both feet. Or, stick with Window'$. The *choice* really is yours. Good luck with your decisions, Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partitioning question
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:11:19AM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:57:36AM +0200, Alain G. Fabry wrote: Hello, I've partitioned my HD into 3 partitions. One is currently running FreeBSD6.2, the second has my data files (home directories). On the third I would like to install FreeBSD-current to play around a bit and get more familiar with the OS. Is it possible after the installation of current on the 3rd partition that I can use my data files (home directories) without messing up the permissions/etc? So finally I would like to have Multiboot (FreeBSD 6.2 and Current) which both use the same userspace (second partition) Sure, no problem.Just make a mount point for it and put it in /etc/fstab in both versions. Note, that I believe you are speaking of 'slices' when you say 'partition'. In FreeBSD UNIX world, the slice is the major division on the disk that is numbered 1..4 and a partition is a subdivision of a slice, labeled a..h. So, maybe your have 6.2 installed in da0s1[a..h] and that extra data written to da0s2a and plan to install 'current' to da0s3[a..h]. jerry Please let me know if this is not clear. Other than the possible conflicting use of the term partition, it is clear. jerry Indeed, slices is what I mean (still ignorent windows user ;-) Thanks, I'll try this out. Thanks, Alain ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. It's not, and it never will be. never say never, but i wish too it will never be. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
Latitude wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other operating systems? I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem to understand the monumental fear involved in switching operating systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives to what I have. A) I don't think the FreeBSD team is on a crusade to convert the masses. B) If you want to try it, download the CDs, learn how to partition your drive or get a spare hard disk or buy virtualization software, and you can install it side-by-side with Windows to tinker and learn the OS. C) If Windows is annoying you so much that you're driven to learn another OS, welcome aboard. If you're just hoping for a turnkey solution you may need to switch to a Mac, where you'll still have a learning curve. I'm not trying to chase you away from trying it, but it's a fact that there's no way for you to just go out and get a Windows that works. There's no instant fix to whatever frustrates you about your OS on your system. There's going to be a learning curve. Some are steeper than others, and UNIX has a heritage in the server environment and high-end workstation environments, and it shows. The whole home user bit was not a priority. You may want to invest in a book or two from Amazone or BN, or spend time reading the FreeBSD handbook, which you'll get as a response more often than you'd like on this list because most of your basic questions are answered there. Really your best bet is to use virtualization software or familiarize yourself with dual-booting. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Latitude wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, Why? but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. FreeBSD finds users by being a quality operating system, not by trying to get people to switch away from Windows. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. Jargon comes with the territory; Windows itself has a specialized jargon. There are online sources to discover the meanings of jargon terms. I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. FreeBSD as provided is not an alternative to Windows for the home desktop user. It can be set up that way. For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out what's going on? No. All of that is separate from the operating system, and has to be installed if wanted by the user. Will I have a browser No, there isn't one included in the base system. and way to setup an internet connection right off the bat? Yes, ifconfig, dhclient, and friends are available in the base system. How will I migrate files from other operating systems? It would depend on the files, filesystems, physical media, and other factors like applications. I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem to understand the monumental fear involved in switching operating systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. FreeBSD is mostly not looking for Windows switchers, so the problem doesn't come up. On the other hand, if you or someone else wants to position FreeBSD as a desktop Windows alternative, there's nothing to keep you from making your own modifications and providing the end result. Like these guys: http://www.pcbsd.com I need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives to what I have. Pick the applications you want to use, and then choose an operating system that runs them. Most open source applications run on multiple operating systems, including Linux, FreeBSD, and even Windows. Help me (and yourselves) out. All the cool kids are running Ubuntu: http://www.ubuntu.com -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out
Op donderdag 09 augustus 2007, schreef u: Try using a much lower MTU, something like 1400 or perhaps lower, just for testing. You should configure this, on both client and server. I'm not familiar with ipf to give the exact rule, but I would allow ALL ICMP traffic, at least for testing purposes. I think this is correct: pass out quick proto icmp from any to any pass in quick proto icmp from any to any somewhere above the block in log quick on re0 all rule. Hope this helps a bit Nikos Thank you for your answer. I have added the 'pass in for icmp' rule to the firewall (pass out did already exist). There was a noticable improvement, the /usr dump came much further than before. But at about 80% there was the timeout again. I tried lowering the MTU value at the server side, but nearly all other network traffic stopped working, so that is not the way to go. Kind regards, -- Bram Schoenmakers What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind. (Punch, 1855) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out
On Thursday 09 August 2007 16:43, Bram Schoenmakers wrote: Op donderdag 09 augustus 2007, schreef u: Try using a much lower MTU, something like 1400 or perhaps lower, just for testing. You should configure this, on both client and server. I'm not familiar with ipf to give the exact rule, but I would allow ALL ICMP traffic, at least for testing purposes. I think this is correct: pass out quick proto icmp from any to any pass in quick proto icmp from any to any somewhere above the block in log quick on re0 all rule. Hope this helps a bit Nikos Thank you for your answer. I have added the 'pass in for icmp' rule to the firewall (pass out did already exist). There was a noticable improvement, the /usr dump came much further than before. But at about 80% there was the timeout again. Strange, is it possible that the filesystem is corrupted and dump cannot continue and quits? Keep in mind that dump(8) uses UFS2 snapshots. I don't know the current status, but in the past, snapshots were not working that good. 1) Can you dump the file locally? 2) Is scp working? I tried lowering the MTU value at the server side, but nearly all other network traffic stopped working, so that is not the way to go. Ofcourse, this could be a problem. MTU must be the same across the ethernet segment. And obviously your upstream router is administered by your ISP. Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 11:22:26PM -0500, Latitude wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. I don't know that such a claim is ever made from within FreeBSD. FreeBSD is Unix, for and by those who know and love Unix. Linux is the one wanting to be a better Windows than Windows. For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
Latitude wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other operating systems? I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem to understand the monumental fear involved in switching operating systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives to what I have. Help me (and yourselves) out. I think you are confused, this is not a contest. If you would like to try FreeBSD as a desktop, there are lots of helpful, friendly, knowledgeable folks here waiting to lend you a hand. If you throw down a gauntlet, all you will do is mess up a really nice glove, it will get stepped on a lot by all the FreeBSD users who don't care. DAve -- Three years now I've asked Google why they don't have a logo change for Memorial Day. Why do they choose to do logos for other non-international holidays, but nothing for Veterans? Maybe they forgot who made that choice possible. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me
Latitude wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other operating systems? I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem to understand the monumental fear involved in switching operating systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives to what I have. Didn't you really mean to say you need to be SOLD? If you need to be convinced, you probably won't enjoy your FreeBSD experience. As others have told you, FreeBSD people are generally looking to TAKE BACK CONTROL OF THEIR OWN COMPUTERS! Sorry for shouting . . . Case in point. I have a Windows XP system which I use to access my organization's On-Line Learning system, and to let me surf and do stuff while I learn BSD. My intent is to get totally away from Windows, since more, and often better, software exists for almost everything I do. And it's free. I also want my desktop to look and offer what I want, not what somebody else decided I should have. With FreeBSD, I can use applications produced for windows - - when I LEARN HOW. (Though the more I learn, the less I see the need to use those, since comparable and even superior applications exist for FreeBSD.) I just don't want any of the cutesey crap that windows is loaded with. When I want to find something, I want to find it - not click another screen with a lame animation that wants to confirm what I want to do. And I certainly don't trust a firewall built by folks whose first response to system flaws is It only affects a small group. . . and who then finally offers you the fix! I'll build my own firewall, and I'll grab a fix for any security problems a few days after they're known. If windows craps out, you reboot or system restore, without even knowing why it crashed. In FreeBSD, if it craps out, it tells you what happened, and writes to disk as much information as it can to help you solve the problem. You may not understand what that stuff is telling you, but SOMEBODY does, and you can find an answer. I put together a computer with an 8 gig drive and 192 megs of ram. (I think it's a pentium 2 or 3. It's been a while since I built it.) FreeBSD fits nicely, is very responsive, and doesn't hog either the RAM or the hard drive. A Windows machine would take up most of the drive, not to mention slow down with that amount of RAM. Convince you? Sorry. I don't really care what you use. And I take exception to the business of helping ourselves. Frankly, we ARE helping outselves to freedom from bloated code, new holes for rootkits and viruses with every iteration, and to the expense of paying more and more every time you look around. I'm as new as they come to this system. Even when I had all working pretty well, I knew there was more to know, more to be done. I broke, and took that opportunity to rebuild everything from scratch, (didn't do my own kernel, yet, but I will!)on the enhanced box I described above. Before, well, it was a plain pentium with a less than a gig of harddrive space, and 128 megs of RAM. When you get sick and tired of being sick and tired of Windows, you won't need any convincing. marye ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Supported ???
On Thursday 09 August 2007 09:50, Alain G. Fabry wrote: Hello, Is the following audio '82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio' supported on FreeBSD6.2? It's merged to RELENG_6 also known as FreeBSD-STABLE. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/modules/sound/driver/hda/Makefile?rev=1.1.2.1;only_with_tag=RELENG_6 So, if you update to -STABLE, you will probably have it working. If so, which device do I need to load in the kernel or how can I get it to work. kldload snd_hda. HTH, Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
don't read it
test message -- Jean-Pierre Trophardy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
don't read it, test
test -- Jean-Pierre Trophardy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: don't read it
[EMAIL PROTECTED] works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe to it and use it for test message sending. On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 at 15:47 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] confabulated: test message -- Jean-Pierre Trophardy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- _|_ (_| | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out
Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: Keep in mind that dump(8) uses UFS2 snapshots. I don't know the current status, but in the past, snapshots were not working that good. This statement is far too general and IMHO does a disservice to those who worked on snapshots. There were (and maybe even are, but I haven't seen a problem report in ages) issues with large numbers of snapshots or with large (active?) filesystems, but in that case *dump would never have started* as the snapshot wouldn't have completed. I'm still running 5.4 which is pretty in the past and have no issue with dump -L sending the files over the ethernet either compressing locally or remotely. (Well, I do, but only with one ethernet driver and it's either a driver or a hardware fault and nothing to do with dump or snapshots). Other 5.4 systems I run use snapshots on a daily basis for other purposes and again have no problems. Bram Schoenmakers wrote: # /sbin/dump -0uan -L -h 0 -f - / | /usr/bin/bzip2 | /usr/bin/ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ dd of=/backup/webserver/root.0.bz2 bzip2 is darned slow and not always much better than gzip -9. It might be that ssh is just timing out in some way (I've seen that but not with ethernet dumps specifically). Can you try the test using gzip -9 instead of bzip? If that works, then look for ssh options that affect timeouts, keepalives etc. In particular, ServerAliveInterval 60 in a .ssh/config stopped xterm windows dying on me to certain hosts. YMMV :-( If you have the disk space then you could try without any compression at all; or try doing the compression remotely: /sbin/dump -0 -a -C 64 -L -h 0 -f - / | \ /usr/local/bin/ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ gzip -9 /backup/webserver/root.0.gz Otherwise: Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: 1) Can you dump the file locally? 2) Is scp working? If you can write (and compress if short of disk space) the dump locally and try an scp to your remote host as Nikos is suggesting, that will narrow down the problem a bit. Any other large file will do: doesn't have to be a dump. --Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
Latitude wrote: but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I suggest you not change from Windows to BSD. It looks like you're best off with an operating system that requires little to no input on your part to set up. It's like asking which is better -- a hammer or a shovel They're both different tools with different strenghts and weaknesses. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
upgrading FBSD6-1-R==6.2-R
I'm one of subscribers of FreeBSD mailing lists and I saw your announce at one of these lists about your online book. You have made a magnific work and despite of being a linux user for nearly ten years I decided to use FBSD too. The system is well documented and I've learned to love it. Thanks to your book it was possible to upgrade my system without problems. The question is that I own a usb canon printer Ip1600 and I need it to work. I was told I would have to upgrade my system in order to use linux fc4. but I didn't find linux fc4 in emulators directory. Tell me some info. Regards Luiz ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: don't read it
Duane Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe to it and use it for test message sending. As you guest it was just for test message sending to THIS ONE. Sorry for the inconvenience. -- Jean-Pierre Trophardy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
There is a lot to your question that you may not realize. I think before answering your question, a brief discussion of computers is appropriate. A computer is a phenomenally complex system of parts. If you go to the website of a major Motherboard manufacturer, you will see a huge list of specifications; including chipsets, ports (USB, ethernet, firewire) connectors (SATA, EIDE, SCSI, etc) and so on. The operating system has to know how to talk to all these different systems. There is no real standard for all these parts, although many of the basic components are somewhat standardized, there are specific drivers for USB, ethernet, drive connectors and especially video. Windows does an excellent job of running on almost any hardware. (how well it runs is up for debate) FreeBSD is also pretty good at running on just about any hardware, however, you may need to do some file manipulation to get your video display soundcard or some other peripherals to work. Depending on what hardware you are running, FreeBSd may load and have you up and running with a windows like desktop with a minimum of fuss. If you need to edit and recompile your kernel or hand edit your X windows configuration file , it will become a nightmare. [ or to put it in english; if you have to specify a special driver so that the Operating System knows how to talk to a particular component of your computer, then you need to change the kernel, which controls all of the general hardware of a computer. Unix systems are designed to be a command line OS. The 'X' windows system is what generates the GUI. If you have a non-standard video card and/or monitor, you may need to specify things like horizontal and vertical refresh rates for the monitor, special settings for the video card driver, and other information found in a configuration file to get the GUI to run. ] The general philosophy of most FreeeBSD users is that we are willing to spend time learning about the inner workings of the OS to get the computer to do what we want. From your e-mail, it sounds like you are looking for something that will install as easily as windows and that is not FreeBSD. I would suggest you look at http://www.openoffice.org, if you haven't already, which will show you some alternatives to the standard MS software that you can run on windows. I hope this helps Mark Moellering Psyberation, inc. P.S. I tried to keep the hardware discussion at a basic level and i will ignore any messages pointing out errors in my description of the kernel or X, etc ... On Thursday 09 August 2007 12:22 am, Latitude wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other operating systems? I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem to understand the monumental fear involved in switching operating systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives to what I have. Help me (and yourselves) out. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: don't read it
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 at 15:44 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] confabulated: Duane Hill wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe to it and use it for test message sending. Don't even need to subscribe:-) You can view the archives at http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/freebsd-test.html or http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-test/ Yes. However, if you are testing your ability to receive list posted messages from the FreeBSD servers, you would need to be subscribed. --- _|_ (_| | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: don't read it
Duane Hill wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe to it and use it for test message sending. Don't even need to subscribe:-) You can view the archives at http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/freebsd-test.html or http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-test/ --Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:11:06 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. It's not, and it never will be. never say never, but i wish too it will never be. Please note that the original posting contains a hidden claim that window$ is a perfect, eternal and god-given desktop system. Therefore if you say that FreeBSD will never be a perfectly acceptable alternative... to that, you agree with that hidden claim. window$ as a desktop system is as wrong as it is as an operating system. In my opinion, FreeBSD set up as a desktop system is what a desktop system should be, so FreeBSD with GUI apps _is_ -- or can be if you want -- a perfect desktop system. Or: perfect desktop system has nothing to do with m$'s approach. To Latitude: if you can't accept this ^^^, then don't switch. Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sending test messages (was Re: don't read it)
In response to Jean-Pierre Trophardy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Duane Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe to it and use it for test message sending. As you guest it was just for test message sending to THIS ONE. Sorry for the inconvenience. The reason for the complaint (and the reason the freebsd-test list exists) is that you just inconvenienced thousands of people who subscribe to this list. As usual, this resulted in a discussion that is further inconveniencing people ... The point behind that freebsd-test list is that it is configured in exactly the same manner as other FreeBSD mailing lists. If you can subscribe and post to freebsd-test, then you will be able to use the exact same procedure to subscribe and post to any other FreeBSD mailing list. So there is no reason to ever send test messages to anything other than freebsd-test. I'm not saying this to berate you, Jean-Pierre. My purpose is to clarify this for anyone who may be reading, or may in the future read the mail archives for this list. Understanding the system allows people to use it effectively. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: don't read it
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 at 16:50 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] confabulated: Duane Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe to it and use it for test message sending. As you guest it was just for test message sending to THIS ONE. Sorry for the inconvenience. No inconvenience. I didn't know if you were aware of the test list. I believe a message hits the same server(s) sending to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well as sending to any of the other lists. I could be wrong. Therefore it would lend to reason if you recieve a test message posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED], you should be receiving from the other subscribed lists as well. --- _|_ (_| | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:02:55 pm Bob Middaugh wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. Simple, Use a live CD. RoFreesbie, Knoppix, Ubuntu, and several others no doubt, will give you the chance to have a good look and explore without installing. Up to you to decide, then. -- Regards, Brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[solved] Re: How do I change atime/noatime on mounted filesystem?
Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: Hi all, this is probably a silly question but... how do I change mount options to get atime back (after setting 'noatime') on mounted filesystem? I can't see option 'atime' in mount(8) but there's no 'suid' either. Here's what I'm trying to do: # mount | grep home /dev/ad0s3d on /home (ufs, local, noatime, nosuid, soft-updates) # mount -u -o atime /home # mount | grep home /dev/ad0s3d on /home (ufs, local, noatime, soft-updates) FYI, this is 7.0-CURRENT related [1]. Workaround is to use 'nonoatime' until the patch is applied. Karol [1] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2007-August/076036.html -- Karol Kwiatkowski karol.kwiat at gmail dot com OpenPGP 0x06E09309 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out
Op donderdag 09 augustus 2007, schreef Alex Zbyslaw: Hello, Bram Schoenmakers wrote: # /sbin/dump -0uan -L -h 0 -f - / | /usr/bin/bzip2 | /usr/bin/ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ dd of=/backup/webserver/root.0.bz2 bzip2 is darned slow and not always much better than gzip -9. It might be that ssh is just timing out in some way (I've seen that but not with ethernet dumps specifically). Can you try the test using gzip -9 instead of bzip? If that works, then look for ssh options that affect timeouts, keepalives etc. In particular, ServerAliveInterval 60 in a .ssh/config stopped xterm windows dying on me to certain hosts. YMMV :-( If you have the disk space then you could try without any compression at all; or try doing the compression remotely: /sbin/dump -0 -a -C 64 -L -h 0 -f - / | \ /usr/local/bin/ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ gzip -9 /backup/webserver/root.0.gz Otherwise: Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: 1) Can you dump the file locally? 2) Is scp working? If you can write (and compress if short of disk space) the dump locally and try an scp to your remote host as Nikos is suggesting, that will narrow down the problem a bit. Any other large file will do: doesn't have to be a dump. As I wrote in my initial mail: == * Downloading the very same big file over SCP causes problems too, below some SCP debug output. The connection drops quickly after it gained a reasonable download speed. Read from remote host office.example.com: Connection reset by peer debug1: Transferred: stdin 0, stdout 0, stderr 77 bytes in 103.3 seconds debug1: Bytes per second: stdin 0.0, stdout 0.0, stderr 0.7 debug1: Exit status -1 lost connection == That was just a file generated with 'dd if=/dev/zero of=zeroes bs=1024k count=200' . So no, SCP doesn't work. I haven't tried gzip -9 yet, although it looks like a workaround than a solution to the real problem. Kind regards, -- Bram Schoenmakers You can contact me directly on Jabber with [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:22:51 -0400 Mark Moellering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Windows does an excellent job of running on almost any hardware. (how well it runs is up for debate) FreeBSD is also pretty good at running on just about any hardware, however, you may need to do some file manipulation to get your video display soundcard or some other peripherals to work. I deeply disagree here. Any comparison between FreeBSD and window$ in that field is bogus. What an excellent job is windows$ doing? Virtually all hardware is designed having them in mind but in some cases ignoring users of open source systems. Moreover, m$ obviously has a policy of convincing people that hardware exists only to be a platform for window$ and many users really think so. If you buy the simplest piece of hardware such as keyboard, it will come with Running/Works with Windows Vista inscription. This is a deception: it hides the fact that there is nothing special with the simple keyboard. What does this stupid message mean? Nothing, but it reveals a flawed and very harmful approach (for example that your laptop is Designed for Windows XP). So where is there an excellent job? Depending on what hardware you are running, FreeBSd may load and have you up and running with a windows like desktop with a minimum of fuss. If you need to edit and recompile your kernel or hand edit your X windows configuration file , it will become a nightmare. Could you please expand on this? There is no connection between nightmare and things where everything is clear and open. Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
I don't know that such a claim is ever made from within FreeBSD. FreeBSD is Unix, for and by those who know and love Unix. Linux is the one that's wwhy i switched from linux to NetBSD then FreeBSD few years ago. wanting to be a better Windows than Windows. and getting worse windows actually ;) For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
Windows does an excellent job of running on almost any hardware. (how well it runs is up for debate) because hardware manufacturers make drivers. only because of that. very little drivers was coded by microsoft by itself, contrary to FreeBSD which has LOTS of drivers included. and running with a windows like desktop with a minimum of fuss. If you need to edit and recompile your kernel or hand edit your X windows configuration file , it will become a nightmare. unless you read the docs. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sending test messages (was Re: don't read it)
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:59:44AM -0400, Bill Moran wrote: In response to Jean-Pierre Trophardy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Duane Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe to it and use it for test message sending. As you guest it was just for test message sending to THIS ONE. Sorry for the inconvenience. The reason for the complaint (and the reason the freebsd-test list exists) is that you just inconvenienced thousands of people who subscribe to this list. The thing I find interesting is that when someone sends one of those so-called test messages, we get 19 people posting messages telling them how much they are inconveniencing so many people with the test message and rarely a single message telling the other posters how much their complaints about the test messages unconvenience people. As usual, this resulted in a discussion that is further inconveniencing people ... ^^ Single exception... jerry The point behind that freebsd-test list is that it is configured in exactly the same manner as other FreeBSD mailing lists. If you can subscribe and post to freebsd-test, then you will be able to use the exact same procedure to subscribe and post to any other FreeBSD mailing list. So there is no reason to ever send test messages to anything other than freebsd-test. I'm not saying this to berate you, Jean-Pierre. My purpose is to clarify this for anyone who may be reading, or may in the future read the mail archives for this list. Understanding the system allows people to use it effectively. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please! - too much about GUI
desktop system should be, so FreeBSD with GUI apps _is_ -- or can be if you want -- a perfect desktop system. i don't use GUI. it takes a lot and gives nothing. i use both text and graphic (X) based apps and no gui. i use fvwm2 with my config, there are plenty of nice other wm's good for that. i need a productive system, no graphical user interfaces etc, that let me actually concentrate of what i have to do! Most of You needs the same, but after years of aggressive marketing/brainwashing think that graphical user interfaces, desktop environments etc. are important. The most stupid but popular claim is that complexity is good. this make people work many TIMES slower, both 100% window$ users and 95-99% unix users. all of this is needed to convince people that every 1-2 year they need new modern computer and the old is worth nothing. and people believe in it. their problem, not mine :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. Simple, Use a live CD. RoFreesbie, Knoppix, Ubuntu, and several knoppix DVD is very nice. it's actually useful with not very modern (damn cheap) computer without hard disk+pendrive or with very small hard disk. excellent for desktop use, software upgrades are as simple as writing new DVD :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
I deeply disagree here. Any comparison between FreeBSD and window$ in that field is bogus. What an excellent job is windows$ doing? washes hundreds millions of brains, to produce constant wide enough stream of cash to microsoft ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
--On August 8, 2007 11:22:26 PM -0500 Latitude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. I didn't see anyone who simply answered your questions, so here's my attempt to do so. You're not going to get an overwhelming argument from FreeBSDers because that's not how we work. If you want to try it out, be our guest. If you find it frustrating and give up, none of us are going to be heartbroken by your failure. If you're patient, and you ask enough questions, someone here can solve every problem you run in to. For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out what's going on? No. In fact, if you don't read the documentation first (and Windows users seldom do), you will probably never get a desktop windowing environment. You must configure your desktop environment before it will work. You must also configure it so it starts up by default. Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet connection right off the bat? Depending upon which window manager you choose, you may not have a browser. Depending upon what sort of internet connection you have, you may never get connected. *Especially* if you don't first read the documentation carefully and print it out so you have it handy during the install phase. How will I migrate files from other operating systems? You can mount almost any filesystem on the planet, so moving files to FreeBSD is a snap. But you'd better read the documentation first, or you'll never figure it out. I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem to understand the monumental fear involved in switching operating systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. No, we don't. The idea behind FreeBSD is that you are the owner and operator. That means you make all the decisions and you must understand how to implement them. I need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives to what I have. Not everything that's available on Windows *has* an alternative on FreeBSD. Do you homework. Read the documentation. Don't expect others to spoon-feed you because it's not going to happen. Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
Re: Convince me, please!
It's already been mentioned, but I would strongly recommend PCBSD for the windows convert. Having PCBSD allows me to easily setup friends and family with systems that function more like they're used while maintaining all FreeBSD funtionality including the ports tree, blessed be the FreeBSD maintainers. However, it's important to have realistic expections. Things aren't the same, and the learning curve usually takes awhile. -- Adam Vande More Systems Administrator Mobility Sales ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
On 8/9/07, Latitude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other operating systems? I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem to understand the monumental fear involved in switching operating systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives to what I have. Help me (and yourselves) out. -- In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -George Orwell Hello, Start with DesktopBSD 1.6 since it's closer to FreeBSD than PC-BSD if you need to learn FreeBSD more. -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please! - too much about GUI
Written by Wojciech Puchar on 08/09/07 12:04 desktop system should be, so FreeBSD with GUI apps _is_ -- or can be if you want -- a perfect desktop system. i don't use GUI. it takes a lot and gives nothing. i use both text and graphic (X) based apps and no gui. i use fvwm2 with my config, there are plenty of nice other wm's good for that. i need a productive system, no graphical user interfaces etc, that let me actually concentrate of what i have to do! Most of You needs the same, but after years of aggressive marketing/brainwashing think that graphical user interfaces, desktop environments etc. are important. The most stupid but popular claim is that complexity is good. this make people work many TIMES slower, both 100% window$ users and 95-99% unix users. all of this is needed to convince people that every 1-2 year they need new modern computer and the old is worth nothing. and people believe in it. their problem, not mine :) My ten year old niece has been brainwashed by the GUI quagmire. She saw my FreeBSD 6-STABLE console on my amd64 3000+ and wanted to know why i was using such an old computer. She had the visual aspect of the user interface ingrained as a measure of the capabilities of the machine. Granted, it could be only because she's ten, but I think we'd find a lot of people think that something has to have more blinky lights and chrome to be better or faster. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
Brian Astill wrote: On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:02:55 pm Bob Middaugh wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. The switch will not be particularly easy. You will have to learn UNIX. I started running Linux back in Spring, 2000, while I continued running Windows. In about 2003 I started learning FreeBSD because my web host was using that OS. Now, I am hosting my own web/mail server with OpenBSD, and have FreeBSD on a Desktop machine. I still do maintain a Windows 2000 machine for my graphics workstation, and to run my vintage DOS apps. Over the past seven years, I have become considerably less ignorant about computer, operating systems, networks, etc. This is, in my opinion, a very, very, very good thing... but easy??? Nope. -- -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/ http://robertwittig.net/ http://robertwittig.org/ . ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please! - too much about GUI
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:04:50 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: desktop system should be, so FreeBSD with GUI apps _is_ -- or can be if you want -- a perfect desktop system. i don't use GUI. it takes a lot and gives nothing. i use both text and graphic (X) based apps and no gui. i use fvwm2 with my config, there are plenty of nice other wm's good for that. Sorry, I agree with you, s/GUI/graphic based/ in my post. I've just wanted to be clear that X.org and X-apps are not the part of FreeBSD. Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... Try it, you will find otherwise. The user interface works without hassle. MacOS X comes with more standard utilities than does FreeBSD, for instance procmail, fetchmail, sqlite3, Apache, php 4.4.7, ... -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please! - too much about GUI
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:15:08 -0500 Reid Linnemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My ten year old niece has been brainwashed by the GUI quagmire. She saw my FreeBSD 6-STABLE console on my amd64 3000+ and wanted to know why i was using such an old computer. [...] Granted, it could be only because she's ten. The important part is that she asked you why you used a computer because, like millions of users, she don't make difference between computer and window$ (i.e. OS). People will rarely explicitly state that, of course, but when I speak to some people, I see that they sincerely assume that. That reminds me of a typical brainwashing sencence from window$: when you want to press the reboot icon, the text over your mouse will tell something like Shut down and start Windows again; the sencence contains an explicit equalisation of machine and window$. So I'd say this has nothing to do with one's age. Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:30 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... Try it, you will find otherwise. The user interface works without hassle. MacOS X comes with more standard utilities than does FreeBSD, for instance procmail, fetchmail, sqlite3, Apache, php 4.4.7, ... Not that I'm against your argument that OS X is a good system, but since when are 3rd party services standard utilities? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 12:33:20PM -0500, Reid Linnemann wrote: Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:30 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... Try it, you will find otherwise. The user interface works without hassle. MacOS X comes with more standard utilities than does FreeBSD, for instance procmail, fetchmail, sqlite3, Apache, php 4.4.7, ... Not that I'm against your argument that OS X is a good system, but since when are 3rd party services standard utilities? What standard utility in FreeBSD didn't start somewhere outside of BSD? -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Digital Dance (CT3) Mailing List Confirmation
This message has been sent to you as the final step to confirm your email list subscription for the following list: Digital Dance (CT3) To confirm this subscription, please follow the URL below: http://ns.donmailer.co.uk/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/n/dd1/freebsd-questions/freebsd.org/8855906/ (Click the URL above, or copy and paste the URL into your browser. Doing so will subscribe you to this list.) --- The following is the description given for this list: tbs --- This double opt-in confirmation email was sent to protect the privacy of the owner of this email address. Double opt-in confirmation guarantees that only the owner of an email address can subscribe themselves to this mailing list. Furthermore, the following privacy policy is associated with this list: we hate spam Please read and understand this privacy policy. Other mechanisms may have been enacted to subscribe email addresses to this list, such as physical guestbook registrations, verbal agreements, etc. If you did not ask to be subscribed to this particular list, please do not visit the confirmation URL above. The confirmation for subscription will not go through and no other action on your part will be needed. To contact the owner of this email list, please use the address below: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The following physical address is associated with this mailing list: tbc - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by Dada Mail 2.10.5 http://ns.donmailer.co.uk/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/smtm/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Welcome to Digital Dance (CT3)
The subscription of the email address: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org to the mailing list: Digital Dance (CT3) is complete. Thanks for subscribing! Please save this email message for future reference. --- Date of this subscription: Thu Aug 9 19:09:10 2007 You may automatically unsubscribe from this list at any time by visiting the following URL: http://ns.donmailer.co.uk/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/u/dd1/freebsd-questions/freebsd.org/ If the above URL is inoperable, make sure that you have copied the entire address. Some mail readers will wrap a long URL and thus break this automatic unsubscribe mechanism. You may also change your subscription by visiting this list's main screen: http://ns.donmailer.co.uk/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/list/dd1 If you're still having trouble, please contact the list owner at: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The following physical address is associated with this mailing list: tbc - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrading FBSD6-1-R==6.2-R
I'm one of subscribers of FreeBSD mailing lists and I saw your announce at one of these lists about your online book. You have made a magnific work and despite of being a linux user for nearly ten years I decided to use FBSD too. The system is well documented and I've learned to love it. Thanks to your book it was possible to upgrade my system without problems. The question is that I own a usb canon printer Ip1600 and I need it to work. I was told I would have to upgrade my system in order to use linux fc4. but I didn't find linux fc4 in emulators directory. Tell me some info. If you elected linux compatibility when you installed, I believe it defaulted to fc4. (Someone please correct me, but I concluded that fc4 stood for fedora core 4.) If you didn't install linux compatibility, you can do so via the ports - ~/ports/emulators/linux_base-fc4. Then, enable linux in your rc.conf file. marye ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Supported ???
Alain G. Fabry wrote: Hello, Is the following audio '82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio' supported on FreeBSD6.2? If so, which device do I need to load in the kernel or how can I get it to work. Many thanks, Alain ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've seen Nikos answered you already, but the fact is you don't have to move to STABLE to get the hda driver to work. It will work on 6.2-RELEASE if you so wish. Download the precompiled kernel module from here: http://people.freebsd.org/~ariff/lowlatency/ Decompress the archive, copy sound.ko and snd_hda.ko to /boot/kernel (you may as well copy all the .ko files, but these two are the ones needed) then do (as root) a kldload snd_hda ( and add snd_hda_load=YES to /boot/loader.conf so it loads with each reboot). Running this driver on my laptop with no problems for quite some time now. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Digital Dance (CT3) Mailing List Confirmation
This message has been sent to you as the final step to confirm your email *removal* for the following list: Digital Dance (CT3) To confirm this unsubscription, please follow the URL below: http://ns.donmailer.co.uk/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/u/dd1/freebsd-questions/freebsd.org/8855906/ (Click the URL above, or copy and paste the URL into your browser. Doing so will remove you to this list.) --- The following is the description given for this list: tbs --- This double opt-out confirmation email was sent to protect the privacy of the owner of this email address. Furthermore, the following privacy policy is associated with this list: we hate spam Please read and understand this privacy policy. If you did not ask to be removed from this particular list, please do not visit the confirmation URL above. The confirmation for removal will not go through and no other action on your part will be needed. To contact the owner of this email list, please use the address below: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The following physical address is associated with this mailing list: tbc - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Digital Dance (CT3) Unsubscription
The removal of the email address: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org from the mailing list: Digital Dance (CT3) is complete. You may wish to save this email message for future reference. --- Date of this removal: Thu Aug 9 19:18:25 2007 You may automatically re-subscribe to this list at any time by visiting the following URL: http://ns.donmailer.co.uk/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/s/dd1/freebsd-questions/freebsd.org/ If the above URL is inoperable, make sure that you have copied the entire address. Some mail readers will wrap a long URL and thus break this automatic unsubscribe mechanism. You may also change your subscription by visiting this list's main screen: http://ns.donmailer.co.uk/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/list/dd1 If you're still having trouble, please contact the list owner at: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The following physical address is associated with this mailing list: tbc - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please! - too much about GUI
Reid Linnemann wrote: My ten year old niece has been brainwashed by the GUI quagmire. She saw my FreeBSD 6-STABLE console on my amd64 3000+ and wanted to know why i was using such an old computer. She had the visual aspect of the user interface ingrained as a measure of the capabilities of the machine. Granted, it could be only because she's ten, but I think we'd find a lot of people think that something has to have more blinky lights and chrome to be better or faster. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I seriously doubt that it's only because she's ten. A friend of mine (who's 37) defines user-friendliness based on the number of tasks he can complete through a GUI. I used to think like that too, but not any longer. I first tried FreeBSD in 1998, but I couldn't get anything running. I just had no idea how, and I was expecting a nice user-friendly GUI, like Windoze, but without the constant crashes. In 1999 I purchased The complete FreeBSD, 3rd edition with CDs included, and this my second try was a lot more sucessful. I was still after a fancy GUI, but this time I got things working. Not without effort though. Over the years since I first tried FreeBSD, my ideas about ease of use have changed quite a lot. I no longer define user-friendliness based on what I can do in the GUI; actually, I'm often annoyed by all the menus, submenus and all the whistles and bells. It's really a lot easier to edit a text file to change some setting, than browsing through heaps of buttons, drop-down lists and all that. Where most Windoze users find Windoze user-friendly, I find it user-hostile, because it hides the simplest things under tons of graphics. For some applications, like image manipulation, a good GUI is a must (at least that's my point of view), but good doesn't mean complex. And a GUI is certainly not needed for running a computer. My friend, whom I mentioned above, says my computer looks like a green screen from 1970's movies. I once tried to guide him over the phone through downloading a file using Windoze's built-in cli FTP client. He didn't even know that such a procedure was possible; he had the idea, that downloading a file required a graphical progress bar. After the file was downloaded (a GUI FTP client), he said it was the most horrible thing he'd ever done, and had comments about this being the 21st century. So, I doubt your niece's comment was just about her being a child. -- Sincerly, Rolf Nielsen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:56 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 12:33:20PM -0500, Reid Linnemann wrote: Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:30 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... Try it, you will find otherwise. The user interface works without hassle. MacOS X comes with more standard utilities than does FreeBSD, for instance procmail, fetchmail, sqlite3, Apache, php 4.4.7, ... Not that I'm against your argument that OS X is a good system, but since when are 3rd party services standard utilities? What standard utility in FreeBSD didn't start somewhere outside of BSD? I'm not talking about origins, I'm talking about maintainers. The software you've listed are maintained by third parties not affiliated with either operating system, so I don't see how you can consider them standard utilities. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please! - too much about GUI
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:20:13PM +0200, Rolf G Nielsen wrote: My ten year old niece has been brainwashed by the GUI quagmire. She saw my FreeBSD 6-STABLE console on my amd64 3000+ and wanted to know why i was using such an old computer. She had the visual aspect of the user interface ingrained as a measure of the capabilities of the machine. Granted, it could be only because she's ten, but I think we'd find a lot of people think that something has to have more blinky lights and chrome to be better or faster. I seriously doubt that it's only because she's ten. A friend of mine (who's 37) defines user-friendliness based on the number of tasks he can complete through a GUI. I used to think like that too, but not any longer. I first tried FreeBSD in 1998, but I couldn't get anything running. I just had no idea how, and I was expecting a nice user-friendly GUI, like Windoze, but without the constant crashes. snip Where most Windoze users find Windoze user-friendly, I find it user-hostile, because it hides the simplest things under tons of graphics. For some applications, like image manipulation, a good GUI is a must (at least that's my point of view), but good doesn't mean complex. And a GUI is certainly not needed for running a computer. My friend, whom I mentioned above, says my computer looks like a green screen from 1970's movies. I once tried to guide him over the phone through downloading a file using Windoze's built-in cli FTP client. He didn't even know that such a procedure was possible; he had the idea, that downloading a file required a graphical progress bar. After the file was downloaded (a GUI FTP client), he said it was the most horrible thing he'd ever done, and had comments about this being the 21st century. So, I doubt your niece's comment was just about her being a child. -- Sincerly, Rolf Nielsen User-friendliness is obviously subjective. Some people consider a system to be user-friendly if it doesn't require reading documentation to start using it. Some people consider a system to be user-friendly if there is a simply, efficient interface. It's rare to find software where both of these are true. In business, you simply can't forget the learning curve. Learning how to efficiently use Unix may not be the best use of epmployee time, since most of them know how to use Windows already. This is especially true with high-turnover rates--how much time do you want to spend training someone who will just jump ship for a better paying job in 2 years? Personally, I'm with you. I'm much more efficient on the command-line, but that's only because I've spent a not-insignificant portion of my life using it. I saw the benefits long ago, and even though there was a learning curve (imagine having to actually read documentation rather than going in blindly and clicking!), I feel that it was worth it. Erik ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Issues while authenticating a user over openLDAP using PAM_ldap
running FreeBSD 6.2 Stable we have openLDAP installed on a server called access1. Users on access1 appear to not be able to ssh to access1. The ssh authentication method uses PAM ldap. PAM_ldap reports Invalid credentials in /var/log/messages We have another server called access2 that authenticates to the the ldap server running on access1. those users log in via ssh without issue on access2. I am trying to track down what is broken. I am not even sure how to receive verbose logging from PAM and/or PAM_ldap. Any assistance is much appreciated. Aug 9 10:17:42 access1 sshd[91878]: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user cn=Test User,cn=people,dc=blah,dc=blah,dc=com (Invalid credentials) related rc.conf lines on access1: slapd_enable=YES slapd_flags='-h ldapi:///var/run/openldap/ldapi/ ldap://0.0.0.0/; -f /usr/local/etc/openldap/slapd.conf' slapd_sockets=/var/run/openldap/ldapi sshd_enable=YES sshd_program=/usr/local/sbin/sshd access1# cat /etc/pam.d/ldap # debug # $FreeBSD: src/etc/pam.d/sshd,v 1.15 2003/04/30 21:57:54 markm Exp $ debug # debug # PAM configuration for the sshd service debug # debug # auth debug authsufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so no_warn try_first_pass debug authrequiredpam_nologin.so no_warn debug authsufficient pam_opie.so no_warn no_fake_prompts debug authrequisite pam_opieaccess.so no_warn allow_local debug #auth sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass debug #auth sufficient pam_ssh.so no_warn try_first_pass debug authrequiredpam_unix.so no_warn try_first_pass debug # account debug #accountrequiredpam_krb5.so debug account requiredpam_login_access.so debug account requiredpam_unix.so debug # session debug #sessionoptionalpam_ssh.so debug session required/usr/local/lib/pam_mkhomedir.so #session required/usr/local/lib/pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ umask=0077 debug session requiredpam_permit.so debug # password debug #password sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass debug passwordrequiredpam_unix.so no_warn try_first_pass debug access1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ pkg_info | grep pam checkpassword-pam-0.99 Implementation of checkpassword authentication program nagios-spamd-plugin-1.4 Nagios plugin for checking SpamAssassins spamd p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.2.1_1 A highly efficient mail filter for identifying spam pam_ldap-1.8.2 A pam module for authenticating with LDAP pam_mkhomedir-0.1 Create HOME with a PAM module on demand pamtester-0.1.2 A command line pam authentication tester razor-agents-2.84 A distributed, collaborative, spam detection and filtering [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ pkg_info | grep ldap ldapsh-2.00_2,1 Interactive shell used to administer ldap directories nss_ldap-1.255 RFC 2307 NSS module openldap-client-2.3.37 Open source LDAP client implementation openldap-server-2.3.37 Open source LDAP server implementation p5-perl-ldap-0.34 A Client interface to LDAP servers pam_ldap-1.8.2 A pam module for authenticating with LDAP php5-ldap-5.2.3_1 The ldap shared extension for php [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ pkg_info | grep nss nss-3.11.7 Libraries to support development of security-enabled applic nss_ldap-1.255 RFC 2307 NSS module openssh-portable-4.6.p1,1 The portable version of OpenBSD's OpenSSH openssl-0.9.8e_1SSL and crypto library php5-openssl-5.2.3_1 The openssl shared extension for php py25-openssl-0.6Python interface to the OpenSSL library [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ access2 files [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ pkg_info | grep pam pam_ldap-1.8.2 A pam module for authenticating with LDAP pam_mkhomedir-0.1 Create HOME with a PAM module on demand pamtester-0.1.2 A command line pam authentication tester [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ pkg_info | grep ldap nss_ldap-1.255 RFC 2307 NSS module openldap-client-2.3.37 Open source LDAP client implementation openldap-server-2.3.37 Open source LDAP server implementation pam_ldap-1.8.2 A pam module for authenticating with LDAP [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ pkg_info | grep nss nss_ldap-1.255 RFC 2307 NSS module openssh-portable-4.6.p1,1 The portable version of OpenBSD's OpenSSH [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
reconfigure a port after install
Hi, i have installed postfix + sasl2 support, so far so good but now i want to enable mysql auth and sasl2 was not compiled with mysql support, i tried desinstalling it but it claims postfix depends on it, so how do i add mysql support to the installed sasl2 port? Im using portinstall btw, thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Issues while authenticating a user over openLDAP using PAM_ldap
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/9/07, Noah wrote: running FreeBSD 6.2 Stable we have openLDAP installed on a server called access1. Users on access1 appear to not be able to ssh to access1. The ssh authentication method uses PAM ldap. PAM_ldap reports Invalid credentials in /var/log/messages We have another server called access2 that authenticates to the the ldap server running on access1. those users log in via ssh without issue on access2. I am trying to track down what is broken. I am not even sure how to receive verbose logging from PAM and/or PAM_ldap. Any assistance is much appreciated. What about your nsswitch.conf file? - -- Andy Harrison public key: 0x67518262 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org iD8DBQFGu3FBNTm8fWdRgmIRAoAQAJ4ocG7HEisT2k82NeoRzf1r0XKVawCg+Hrf l+t2S41Im4TNPEoE8HF3jDc= =aI1r -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How do I make install clean a port in the background
How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 make install clean it returns the pid but then compiles in the foreground What am I doing wrong? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background
Written by Sean Murphy on 08/09/07 15:15 How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 make install clean it returns the pid but then compiles in the foreground What am I doing wrong? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're just seeing the output in the foreground, since the stdio and stderr for that process are still directed to the terminal. If you are using bash, you could make install clean /dev/null to have the process operate in the background and direct all output the the bitbucket. I don't know the analog for other shells. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Utility to change a byte in a binary file?
It sure seems that this should be simple, but my searches have only turned up inter-active hex/disk editors. I'm probably asking wrong. I have a large binary file (700 meg) and I know that there is a single wrong byte. I also know it's exact location in the file. Is there a command-line utility to write a byte at a specified offset into a file? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reconfigure a port after install
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:57:46 -0600 Miguel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, i have installed postfix + sasl2 support, so far so good but now i want to enable mysql auth and sasl2 was not compiled with mysql support, i tried desinstalling it but it claims postfix depends on it, so how do i add mysql support to the installed sasl2 port? Im using portinstall btw, thanks Hello, First change sasl options, then forcefully recompile it with depending ports. Asuming you've chosen SASL2 option for Postfix: # cd /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2 # make config [choose MYSQL option] # portupgrade -f -r cyrus-sasl2 Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reconfigure a port after install
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 01:57:46PM -0600, Miguel wrote: Hi, i have installed postfix + sasl2 support, so far so good but now i want to enable mysql auth and sasl2 was not compiled with mysql support, i tried desinstalling it but it claims postfix depends on it, so how do i add mysql support to the installed sasl2 port? Im using portinstall btw, I don't know portinstall, but you can go into the directory /usr/ports/mail/postfix and simply make configure. I had same question one week ago, for another port, but anyway, it just worked. By the way, I'm using portmanager, and some times just make install. Brgds Harry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
py2[45]-dbus package oddity
I'm not sure where this message is better directed, to either the port maintainer or the questions list. The answer is probably the ports list.. [Crossposted] There are two packages that are indicated as installed, py24-dbus and py25-dbus. Both of these look like identical packages, same version information and everything. Is it necessary to have both packages listed as installed? Can't I remove one or the other? py24-dbus is a dependant package on two others I have installed, but py25-dbus isn't. Can I, Should I remove py25-dbus, or would that remove py24-dbus as well? Thanks for any tips or pointers. Tim. If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door. I can is a way of life. More and Bigger is not always Better. The road to success is always uphill. Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background
In response to Reid Linnemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Written by Sean Murphy on 08/09/07 15:15 How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 make install clean it returns the pid but then compiles in the foreground What am I doing wrong? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're just seeing the output in the foreground, since the stdio and stderr for that process are still directed to the terminal. If you are using bash, you could make install clean /dev/null to have the process operate in the background and direct all output the the bitbucket. I don't know the analog for other shells. That's only going to help so much. Most ports are going to generate compiler warnings that go to stderr, which will still spam your screen. First off, I recommend directing to a file instead of /dev/null. That way if it fails, you have the output to review. Secondly, redirect both standard out and standard error. In bourne shells: make install clean ~/buildlog.txt 21 -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cheap (supported) wifi card
Hi: I recently purchased a new HP dv9500t laptop. Unfortunately, the Intel 4965AGN wireless card it came with isn't supported (yet). I tried to use ndisgen, but it caused a panic (both 6.2 and 7.0-current). Since I'd like to continue using FreeBSD as my desktop (laptop) OS, and need wireless access, I've decided to pick up a temporary PCMCIA wireless card in the meantime. Could someone recommend a good (and cheap) one that's includes a/b/g*/n and is supported, either natively or via ndis? thanks in advance... don ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 01:15:12PM -0700, Sean Murphy wrote: How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 make install clean It is in the background, but if there is output from the process, you will see it. A solution could be make install clean /dev/null , but I'm sure that it not will be very wise, I dont know what happens if a config screen shows up, and next point is if you get a fault, it's gone with /dev/null. Why don't you just use another tty? Brgds Harry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 01:34:47PM -0500, Reid Linnemann wrote: Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:56 What standard utility in FreeBSD didn't start somewhere outside of BSD? I'm not talking about origins, I'm talking about maintainers. The software you've listed are maintained by third parties not affiliated with either operating system, so I don't see how you can consider them standard utilities. Go look at /usr/src/contrib/ and /usr/src/gnu/ for FreeBSD standard items maintained from outside and imported. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Utility to change a byte in a binary file?
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:25:17 + V.I.Victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sure seems that this should be simple, but my searches have only turned up inter-active hex/disk editors. I'm probably asking wrong. I have a large binary file (700 meg) and I know that there is a single wrong byte. I also know it's exact location in the file. Is there a command-line utility to write a byte at a specified offset into a file? Hello Victor, editors/bpatch and editors/hexcurse are what you want. Both work great with large files. Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the secret to gnome-terminal open link?
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:22:08 +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:12:22 -0700 David Benfell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would really like the open link function to work under gnome-terminal. But I can't find any relevant configuration and a Google search comes up empty. I dont use Gnome, but XFCE, and therefore Terminal instead of 'gnome-terminal'. The open link function works once you've defined what the default browser is @ XFCE level (ie, within XFCE configuration ). I had failed to find Terminal (as opposed to gnome-terminal) before. But, sure enough, there it is in the ports collection if you only look with a capital T. The option to specify both web browsing and e-mail preferences appears in the [Edit]/[Applications] dialog of Terminal. Thanks, very much! -- David Benfell, LCP [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Resume available at http://www.parts-unknown.org/ NOTE: I sign all messages with GnuPG (0DD1D1E3). pgpOOWhZb5p9I.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Convince me, please!
Hello Some Person who may Be Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Latitude Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:22 PM To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Convince me, please! I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other operating systems? I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem to understand the monumental fear involved in switching operating systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives to what I have. Help me (and yourselves) out. What problem are you trying to solve? I wouldn't go into any conversion of this sort unless I had a specific reason, even if that reason is because I'm bored with Windows. Each OS out there has a bunch of stuff the others' don't and each user decides what they need from a particular OS and picks the one best-suited to the task. In general, I would say that FreeBSD is not the appropriate choice for a user who is not at least somewhat interested in the how's and why's of the OS. It sounds like you've already got a firm handle on Windows (if you're like many of us you've been using it for years) so you're probably on the tail end of the learning curve. If you elect to go with any other OS (FreeBSD OS X, Linux, etc.) there is going to be a whole new learning curve to accommodate. If you want to delve into FreeBSD then the learning curve is going to include quite a bit of time in front of the CLI. Regards, Mike Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (!work) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Digital Dance (CT3) Mailing List Confirmation
This message has been sent to you as the final step to confirm your email list subscription for the following list: Digital Dance (CT3) To confirm this subscription, please follow the URL below: http://ns.donmailer.co.uk/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/n/dd1/freebsd-questions/freebsd.org/8855906/ (Click the URL above, or copy and paste the URL into your browser. Doing so will subscribe you to this list.) --- The following is the description given for this list: tbs --- This double opt-in confirmation email was sent to protect the privacy of the owner of this email address. Double opt-in confirmation guarantees that only the owner of an email address can subscribe themselves to this mailing list. Furthermore, the following privacy policy is associated with this list: we hate spam Please read and understand this privacy policy. Other mechanisms may have been enacted to subscribe email addresses to this list, such as physical guestbook registrations, verbal agreements, etc. If you did not ask to be subscribed to this particular list, please do not visit the confirmation URL above. The confirmation for subscription will not go through and no other action on your part will be needed. To contact the owner of this email list, please use the address below: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The following physical address is associated with this mailing list: tbc - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by Dada Mail 2.10.5 http://ns.donmailer.co.uk/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/smtm/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How can i import Corel Draw vectorial files?
I am getting CDR files form another department (and they dont know how or dont want to export as .ps). I just need to open them to show my boss and give oks about the work they doing. Do you know any software in the port collection or somewhere else that can open these files or at least export to another vectorial format that can be open in some kde application or shell? Thanks for any info. Sdäv ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How can i import Corel Draw vectorial files?
*XnView* http://perso.orange.fr/pierre.g/xnview/enxnview.html http://perso.orange.fr/pierre.g/xnview/enhome.html I hope it helps... Thanks Hakan http://primoris.com On 8/9/07, Damian Vicino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am getting CDR files form another department (and they dont know how or dont want to export as .ps). I just need to open them to show my boss and give oks about the work they doing. Do you know any software in the port collection or somewhere else that can open these files or at least export to another vectorial format that can be open in some kde application or shell? Thanks for any info. Sdäv ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background
On Thursday 09 August 2007 15:31:01 Bill Moran wrote: In response to Reid Linnemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Written by Sean Murphy on 08/09/07 15:15 How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 make install clean it returns the pid but then compiles in the foreground What am I doing wrong? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're just seeing the output in the foreground, since the stdio and stderr for that process are still directed to the terminal. If you are using bash, you could make install clean /dev/null to have the process operate in the background and direct all output the the bitbucket. I don't know the analog for other shells. That's only going to help so much. Most ports are going to generate compiler warnings that go to stderr, which will still spam your screen. First off, I recommend directing to a file instead of /dev/null. That way if it fails, you have the output to review. Secondly, redirect both standard out and standard error. In bourne shells: make install clean ~/buildlog.txt 21 i use sysutils/screen. the entire process is stuck into a new shell, seperate from the one you started the command in. so, for instance: cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 screen make install clean then, you can background the screen with: ctrl-a-d i use screen all the time. one of the most common uses i find for it, is when i start a process on my box at home while at the office, and i know its going to run way past end-of-day. ill screen it, and then pick the screen'd terminal back up at home again, with a: screen -r or screen -rd [pid] (and dont forget to man screen!) cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE ultraDMA problem
On Wednesday 08 August 2007 22:00, you wrote: use some FAST WM without unneeded things (eg. icewm) just to run your music program. Point taken ! please show me dmesg lines about your disk and controller, when running with DMA. possibly IDE driver needs patching. The attached IDE.txt contains not only dmesg output but also the output from: pciconf -lv atacontrol list and atacontrol cap device as resquested by Sten Daniel Soersdal are you sure YOUR HDs? or all HDs doesn't work right with freebsd. Mine do. They have ALWAYS worked right with FreeBSD. Like I said my previous board had them working at ultraDMA 100. -- ** //| //| Mario Lobo // |// | http://www.ipad.com.br // // ||| FreeBSD since 2.2.8 - 100% Rwindows-free ** # lobo/root [18:08:03] [~]dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #21: Sat Aug 4 14:48:20 BRT 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/LOBO ACPI APIC Table: AWARD ASUSACPI Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.20GHz (3199.66-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0xf64 Stepping = 4 Features=0xbfebfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE Features2=0xe4bdSSE3,RSVD2,MON,DS_CPL,VMX,EST,CNTX-ID,CX16,b14,b15 AMD Features=0x2010NX,LM AMD Features2=0x1LAHF Cores per package: 2 real memory = 1072562176 (1022 MB) avail memory = 1032024064 (984 MB) FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 4 ioapic0 Version 0.3 irqs 0-23 on motherboard ioapic1 Version 0.3 irqs 24-47 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) acpi0: AWARD ASUSACPI on motherboard acpi_hpet0: High Precision Event Timer iomem 0xfe80-0xfe8003ff on acpi0 Timecounter HPET frequency 14318180 Hz quality 2000 acpi0: Power Button (fixed) acpi0: reservation of fe80, 100 (3) failed Timecounter ACPI-fast frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0x408-0x40b on acpi0 cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0 cpu1: ACPI CPU on acpi0 acpi_button0: Power Button on acpi0 acpi_button1: Sleep Button on acpi0 pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0 pcib1: PCI-PCI bridge at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: PCI bus on pcib1 pcib2: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge irq 27 at device 2.0 on pci0 pci2: ACPI PCI bus on pcib2 nvidia0: GeForce 7100 GS mem 0xdc00-0xdcff,0xc000-0xcfff,0xdd00-0xddff irq 24 at device 0.0 on pci2 nvidia0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atapci0: GENERIC ATA controller port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xfc00-0xfc0f at device 15.0 on pci0 ata0: ATA channel 0 on atapci0 ata1: ATA channel 1 on atapci0 uhci0: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xf800-0xf81f at device 16.0 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xf400-0xf41f at device 16.1 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xf000-0xf01f at device 16.2 on pci0 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb2: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci3: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xec00-0xec1f at device 16.3 on pci0 uhci3: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb3: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci3 usb3: USB revision 1.0 uhub3: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci0: VIA VT6202 USB 2.0 controller mem 0xd000-0xd0ff at device 16.4 on pci0 ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb4: EHCI version 1.0 usb4: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2 usb3 usb4: VIA VT6202 USB 2.0 controller on ehci0 usb4: USB revision 2.0 uhub4: VIA EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub4: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered isab0: PCI-ISA bridge at device 17.0 on pci0 isa0: ISA bus on isab0 pcib3: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 19.1 on pci0 pci4: ACPI PCI bus on pcib3 pci4: multimedia at device 3.0 (no driver attached) pcm0: CMedia CMI8738 port 0xdc00-0xdcff irq 19 at device 5.0 on pci4 re0: RealTek 8169SC/8110SC Single-chip Gigabit Ethernet port 0xd800-0xd8ff mem
Re: Issues while authenticating a user over openLDAP using PAM_ldap [cured]
see below Andy Harrison wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/9/07, Noah wrote: running FreeBSD 6.2 Stable we have openLDAP installed on a server called access1. Users on access1 appear to not be able to ssh to access1. The ssh authentication method uses PAM ldap. PAM_ldap reports Invalid credentials in /var/log/messages We have another server called access2 that authenticates to the the ldap server running on access1. those users log in via ssh without issue on access2. I am trying to track down what is broken. I am not even sure how to receive verbose logging from PAM and/or PAM_ldap. Any assistance is much appreciated. What about your nsswitch.conf file? thanks Andy - that was it! I matched the lines of access1's nsswitch.conf to access2's nsswitch.conf file and things are fine! - -- Andy Harrison public key: 0x67518262 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org iD8DBQFGu3FBNTm8fWdRgmIRAoAQAJ4ocG7HEisT2k82NeoRzf1r0XKVawCg+Hrf l+t2S41Im4TNPEoE8HF3jDc= =aI1r -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please!
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 12:30:32PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... Try it, you will find otherwise. The user interface works without hassle. MacOS X comes with more standard utilities than does FreeBSD, for instance procmail, fetchmail, sqlite3, Apache, php 4.4.7, ... I don't really think of entirely unnecessary (for most purposes) server software as standard utilities. Speaking only for myself, I *have* tried MacOS X (and used it in a professional capacity), and I too find it to be very little unix with lots of bulky overhead. I also find it actively user-hostile in some of its aesthetic design choices (when your aesthetic sense demands that you make input devices less usable, there's a problem). MacOS X has some definite benefits, but it's not the be-all and end-all of OS design by any stretch. Its biggest benefit is that it's not MS Windows (speaking of user hostility). -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] print substr(Just another Perl hacker, 0, -2); ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
