RE: Duplex printer advice
> -Original Message- > From: David Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:16 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Chuck Robey; Wojciech Puchar; FreeBSD Questions > Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice > > > > On Jun 4, 2008, at 4:46 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > What part of: > > > > "...there was no case i found postscript to print faster...You won't > > on an > > HP printer, at least not an older one..." > > > > is not understandable? > > > > Let me repeat - on most HP printers PostScript IS SLOWER BECAUSE > > HP DESIGNED IT THAT WAY. It is NOT slower because of some inherent > > issue with PostScript itself. > > > > Did you know that Ghostscript is used as the Postscript engine > > in a number of printers? > > Only in "postscript compatible" printers such as the Brother HL-5250DN. > > When Genuine Postscript is included it is ported to the printer by > Adobe. Adobe does not allow it to be crippled as conspiracy-theory Ted > claims. Nonsense. Adobe doesen't have any control over the matter. Others have already detailed the difference in speed between the HP PCL and PostScript implementations on HP Printers. I listed all of the ways that HP tries to discourage customers from buying PostScript, and encourage them to go with PCL. Most of these, such as marketing and pricing, and the amount of ram included with the base model PostScript add-on, Adobe has absolutely no control over. Adobe doesen't support their PostScript implementation in an HP Printer, HP does. And the PPDs supplied by HP are different than the ones Adobe supplies from their own website. You also forget that Microsoft went with true type rather than Adobe Type Manager, and many people have complained about the poorly implemented PostScript drivers that come standard with Windows. So not just HP but Microsoft also "cooperates/competes" with Adobe. There's more ways to tank an implementation that just failing to properly implement ie. There's many ways that tech companies have tried over the years (and succeeded at times) to sabotage their competitors. You have a very naieve view of the tech industry. > All genuine Postscript printers ship with similar CPUs, > originally Motorola 68000 family, for this very reason. > And the fact this makes it a lot easier to port has nothing to do with it..NOT! Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Duplex printer advice
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gerard > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:03 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice > > > On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:01:09 +0200 (CEST) > Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > isn't all that hard but for some reason the printer manufacturers > > > ship these machines with very low RAM. > > > > the reason is to force you then buy high-priced RAMs for them. > > The market for printers is a very competitive one. Any manufacturer has > to factor in the cost of the base machine, plus addition components, so > as to compute a selling price that will be competitive with his > competition. A manufacturer could easily load up his product will all > the RAM he wanted; however, if he could not sell the product, or at > least a sufficient number of them to turn a profit, then that effort > would be for naught. > > Personally, I have not found the secondary RAM market to be all that > expensive anyway. If there is no need to spit out 24 sheets per minute, > then why waste the resources on it? > Obviously you never participated in a pissing contest when you were a boy... ;-) Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
On Jun 4, 2008, at 4:54 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Did you know that Ghostscript is used as the Postscript engine in a number of printers? very possible as it's one of the best renderer available - for free. There was a PBS computer show interviewing historically important people. Believe it was the first episode interviewing Andy Hertzfeld. When the discussion rolled around to open source software Andy said someone he knew was making a very good living porting and supporting Ghostscript to embedded printers. Possibly one of the principals behind ghostscript. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
On Jun 4, 2008, at 4:46 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: What part of: "...there was no case i found postscript to print faster...You won't on an HP printer, at least not an older one..." is not understandable? Let me repeat - on most HP printers PostScript IS SLOWER BECAUSE HP DESIGNED IT THAT WAY. It is NOT slower because of some inherent issue with PostScript itself. Did you know that Ghostscript is used as the Postscript engine in a number of printers? Only in "postscript compatible" printers such as the Brother HL-5250DN. When Genuine Postscript is included it is ported to the printer by Adobe. Adobe does not allow it to be crippled as conspiracy-theory Ted claims. All genuine Postscript printers ship with similar CPUs, originally Motorola 68000 family, for this very reason. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:01:09 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > isn't all that hard but for some reason the printer manufacturers > > ship these machines with very low RAM. > > the reason is to force you then buy high-priced RAMs for them. The market for printers is a very competitive one. Any manufacturer has to factor in the cost of the base machine, plus addition components, so as to compute a selling price that will be competitive with his competition. A manufacturer could easily load up his product will all the RAM he wanted; however, if he could not sell the product, or at least a sufficient number of them to turn a profit, then that effort would be for naught. Personally, I have not found the secondary RAM market to be all that expensive anyway. If there is no need to spit out 24 sheets per minute, then why waste the resources on it? -- Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] You know it's going to be a long day when you get up, shave and shower, start to get dressed and your shoes are still warm. Dean Webber signature.asc Description: PGP signature
RE: Duplex printer advice
Did you know that Ghostscript is used as the Postscript engine in a number of printers? very possible as it's one of the best renderer available - for free. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Duplex printer advice
> -Original Message- > From: Chuck Robey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:08 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Wojciech Puchar; Warren Block; FreeBSD Questions > Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Wojciech Puchar > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:06 AM > >> To: Warren Block > >> Cc: FreeBSD Questions > >> Subject: RE: Duplex printer advice > >> > >> > >>> This depends a lot on your print jobs. Low quality machine-generated > >>> PostScript output can be slow. PCL can also be slow. The only > >> way to really > >>> know is to benchmark with your print jobs. > >> there was no case i found postscript to print faster. > >> > > > > You won't on an HP printer, at least not an older one. > > ?? I had one of the original LaserJet-1's, which derived it's postscript > emulation via a plugin cartridge. What part of: "...there was no case i found postscript to print faster...You won't on an HP printer, at least not an older one..." is not understandable? Let me repeat - on most HP printers PostScript IS SLOWER BECAUSE HP DESIGNED IT THAT WAY. It is NOT slower because of some inherent issue with PostScript itself. Did you know that Ghostscript is used as the Postscript engine in a number of printers? Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
isn't all that hard but for some reason the printer manufacturers ship these machines with very low RAM. the reason is to force you then buy high-priced RAMs for them. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
Christopher Sean Hilton writes: > ... but for some reason the printer manufacturers ship these > machines with very low RAM. Because the average consumer only looks at the shelf price. Most can't even explain why more memory is important, (I have a LaserJet 6MP - came with 3m, was uch perkier once I added 16.) Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
On Jun 2, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Color laser is what you want. There are some really good inexpensive units out there. I recall reading the inexpensieve Samsung color laser even speaks Postscript. while i don't use color printers, usually this postscript is disadventage. if there is a choice like in HP laserjets - switching to PCL and using ghostscript works MUCH faster giving same results. your computer's CPU is much faster than printer's. Usually your computer has more available memory than your printer. In fact usually your printer's memory bound. I have two printers an HP Business Inkjet 2250 with 80MB of RAM and an HP Laserjet 4000 with 64MB of RAM. The Business Inkjet prints Postscript at 12+ pages a minute. The 4000 does 17+ pages of postscript / minute. These speeds are pretty much as fast as the respective printers can spit out pages. Factory stock memory for the Inkjet is 16MB and it 4MB for the laser. With stock memory the inkjet does 7 pages / minute max and the Laserjet might make 12. Optimizing a CPU for Postscript isn't all that hard but for some reason the printer manufacturers ship these machines with very low RAM. BTW The RAM in these machines was scavenged out of some long dead laptop. -- Chris Chris Hilton e: chris|at|vindaloo| dot|com "The pattern juggler lifts his hand; The orchestra begin. As slowly turns the grinding wheel in the court of the crimson king." -- Ian McDonald / Peter Sinfield ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Duplex printer advice
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Wojciech Puchar wrote: This depends a lot on your print jobs. Low quality machine-generated PostScript output can be slow. PCL can also be slow. The only way to really know is to benchmark with your print jobs. there was no case i found postscript to print faster. But then you've said you're using a LaserJet 4, which came out in 1992 and has a slow PS interpreter. Some of my print jobs ran much faster in PS, because it only sent a few K of PS rather than a megabyte of bitmap in PCL. There's also the potential overhead of the print processing systems. Just sending PS in the first place may be quicker than apsfilter or CUPS. i use lpd+my script for filtering postscript to PCL Recent printers have fast RISC CPUs and fast PS interpreters. I/O speed comes into it, too. FreeBSD seems particularly slow over parallel and USB both not true, but just use lptcontrol for parallel port! Did that, didn't help (at the time). Not an issue with Ethernet. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gary Kline wrote: > Agree 100.0%, Ted. Long run, the inkjet will bleed you like a leech. > My 1991 [?] DeskJet 500 was > $400, major bux. But having bought at > least > two cadtrides/year until last winter. Lowball it: $20 per cartridge. > > Well over a kilobuck. > > I *know* what it's like to be squeezed for cash, Chuck. It may take you > weeks > of surfing for the best deal, but go laser if you can. > > At the same time, HP's patents are about to expire in the next few > years. Anybody > know when, to-the-year? Well, having had both, the only problem I've seen in some of the Inkjets is that (and HP is bad at this) the ink tends to dry up and jam both the ink cart. and (in HP's case) the printheads also. Least so far, I haven't see this at all with Epson. I *have* seen that there's a thriving market in those 3rd party inks, which are dirt-cheap, but I haven't any experience in inkjets with 3rd party inks, only the lasers, where they do ok. I have been looking at the Epson RX680, where it's less than $200 for all the features (except the postscript emulation) of the Brother $700 printer (I forget the model I liked, just remembered the list price from the Brother web page). That's a 350% difference there, Gary. I'm still making up my mind, but I just don't print all that often to need a $700 unit, and I did notice that there is just about no 3rd party market at all for the Brother units (just a huge ink market) and they are conspicuously missing from ebay also. Means I'm likely to actually PAY the full 700, not even slightly true of the Epson model. Yeah, quality is a very nice thing to have ... if I had a user report on the 3rd party inks from someone I trusted (and it wasn't too evil) I would probagbly jump to the Epson, it's just too darn expensive to go quality when you print once a week. I do need the fax & scanner features, no matter how seldom I use them, though. Big help for someone who's disabled. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIRZMLz62J6PPcoOkRAtMoAKCJVRhRjXMi5ubZ68vC3MnGKn764QCfeGjm fJCsYSyRUcy0rnNPoxI/6bA= =C1yI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar >> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:06 AM >> To: Warren Block >> Cc: FreeBSD Questions >> Subject: RE: Duplex printer advice >> >> >>> This depends a lot on your print jobs. Low quality machine-generated >>> PostScript output can be slow. PCL can also be slow. The only >> way to really >>> know is to benchmark with your print jobs. >> there was no case i found postscript to print faster. >> > > You won't on an HP printer, at least not an older one. ?? I had one of the original LaserJet-1's, which derived it's postscript emulation via a plugin cartridge. I was Very happily surprised when I finally switched to using ghostscript, because my print rate went up on every class of printing, whether it be the faster text only jobs, or the unbelieveably slow binary images. Didn't have color back then. Text was faster, but FAR faster with ghostscript. This was my personal printer, not something told to me by others. Remember > that HP had to pay a very hefty fee to Adobe for licensing > PostScript for each printer. HP did everything possible to push > PCL and discourage customers from selecting PS because they > did not want to continue to have to pay Adobe. HP did not > dare mess with the PostScript implementation itself for fear > of a lawsuit - every HP printer that went out the door they > definitely made sure was completely compliant with PostScript - > but they did everything else to discourage it. They told all > the companies that wrote tutorials to minimize PostScript and > enhance PCL, they make PostScript models much more expensive, > they didn't ship models with Postscript with enough ram to > run the PostScript interpreter reasonably quickly, and they > made no effort to speed up the PostScript implementation. Still > another trick was distributing PPD files that didn't have a > complete definition of all printer accessories so that when > you printed PostScript from, for example, Windows, you might > not have a duplexer definition and could only print duplex > on PCL. > > Ted > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIRWxmz62J6PPcoOkRArlnAKCjw6AEzF3yLxUArG/2tHLJ1bK4dwCcC3Mj eNWZXUd7LxZCCdyKxPTgZe4= =JKb+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Duplex printer advice
> -Original Message- > From: Wojciech Puchar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:43 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Warren Block; FreeBSD Questions > Subject: RE: Duplex printer advice > > > > > > You won't on an HP printer, at least not an older one. Remember > > that HP had to pay a very hefty fee to Adobe for licensing > > PostScript for each printer. HP did everything possible to push > > PCL and discourage customers from selecting PS because they > > did not want to continue to have to pay Adobe. HP did not > > well that make sense. anyway - idon't think that implementing postscript > processing (or any other language) in printers make sense at all. > computers are powerfull, printer could just take a bitmap and print > it (and be cheaper). > PostScript predates the existence of multi-gigahertz CPU screamers... For simply printing graphics bitmaps your not using any of the Postscript features and a binary dump to the printer is just as useful. But that is not what PostScript is all about. Neither is PCL6 all about that, either. > unfortunately such implementations are usually winprinters ... > Uh, what exactly do you think that HP's Linux driver does that supports many different models of HP desktop printers? HP wrote that Ted > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Duplex printer advice
You won't on an HP printer, at least not an older one. Remember that HP had to pay a very hefty fee to Adobe for licensing PostScript for each printer. HP did everything possible to push PCL and discourage customers from selecting PS because they did not want to continue to have to pay Adobe. HP did not well that make sense. anyway - idon't think that implementing postscript processing (or any other language) in printers make sense at all. computers are powerfull, printer could just take a bitmap and print it (and be cheaper). unfortunately such implementations are usually winprinters ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Duplex printer advice
> -Original Message- > From: Wojciech Puchar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:32 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Chuck Robey; Kurt Buff; FreeBSD Questions; Derek Ragona; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Duplex printer advice > > > my HP LaserJet 4 shows 122000 pages, was 88000 when i bought it > for 100PLN > (about 40$)+another 100 for made-in-Poland new ink cardridge (enough for > about 8000-1 pages). > > HP LaserJet 4 and 3 is excellent, anything newer - crap, as HP joined > others in making craps so every year user has to buy new one. > The 5Si is also an excellent printer. The higher-end HP LJ's are not crap, and last many many years too. The problem is that around the post-4 and post-5 years HP started coming out with the personal LJ printers, which are all crap, and jacked up the price of the workgroup printers to prevent sabotaging the sales of the cheap crap. > > My HP Laserjet 4+ at home is the oldest operating piece of > > computer equipment I have. And I fully expect it to last > > another decade, and once it dies, I have another one in the > > basement that I picked up for $50 - WITH a duplexer. > > i don't think it will stop within 10 years. but do you have original > HP manual? if not - i have for laserjet 4 in PDF. > do not try to disassembly without it :) > I do, and have repaired many fuser idler gears in these printers, as that is usually what gets teeth broken off it and is responsible for most of the jams. Ebay is flooded with cheap HP LJ 4 parts. I kind of suspect that somewhere in China is a company that produces counterfeits of these and other popular HP Laserjets. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Duplex printer advice
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:06 AM > To: Warren Block > Cc: FreeBSD Questions > Subject: RE: Duplex printer advice > > > > This depends a lot on your print jobs. Low quality machine-generated > > PostScript output can be slow. PCL can also be slow. The only > way to really > > know is to benchmark with your print jobs. > > there was no case i found postscript to print faster. > You won't on an HP printer, at least not an older one. Remember that HP had to pay a very hefty fee to Adobe for licensing PostScript for each printer. HP did everything possible to push PCL and discourage customers from selecting PS because they did not want to continue to have to pay Adobe. HP did not dare mess with the PostScript implementation itself for fear of a lawsuit - every HP printer that went out the door they definitely made sure was completely compliant with PostScript - but they did everything else to discourage it. They told all the companies that wrote tutorials to minimize PostScript and enhance PCL, they make PostScript models much more expensive, they didn't ship models with Postscript with enough ram to run the PostScript interpreter reasonably quickly, and they made no effort to speed up the PostScript implementation. Still another trick was distributing PPD files that didn't have a complete definition of all printer accessories so that when you printed PostScript from, for example, Windows, you might not have a duplexer definition and could only print duplex on PCL. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Duplex printer advice
> -Original Message- > From: David Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:37 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: FreeBSD Questions > Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice > > > We have one at work that if it was up to me I too would sell it for $50 > if anyone offered. Its a networked color HP 4M something that prints 11" > wide. Letter prints sideways, and 11x17 prints lengthwise. > > Its slower than Christmas when printing photos. Maybe 2 pages per hour. > > We keep it because 1) its paid for, 2) we have space for it, and 3) it > prints very pretty color text for proposals. > The HP4M color is a completely different technology than modern HP color laserjets. It is also different than the 4+ which is a black and white. HP made 2 printers they called the "4M" and the "4M Color". Completely different printers. DIfferent electronics, imaging engines, etc. We have a HP color 3550 laserjet in our office. The print speed is faster than the black and white laserjets which are older. The 3550 is a newer printer. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Duplex printer advice
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 3:41 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: FreeBSD Questions; Kurt Buff; Chuck Robey; Derek Ragona > Subject: RE: Duplex printer advice > > > At the same time, HP's patents are about to expire in the next few > years. Anybody > know when, to-the-year? > HP uses Canon's imaging engines for their printers, the patents are mainly on the HP-specific control stuff, which nobody really cares much about. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Duplex printer advice
This depends a lot on your print jobs. Low quality machine-generated PostScript output can be slow. PCL can also be slow. The only way to really know is to benchmark with your print jobs. there was no case i found postscript to print faster. There's also the potential overhead of the print processing systems. Just sending PS in the first place may be quicker than apsfilter or CUPS. i use lpd+my script for filtering postscript to PCL Recent printers have fast RISC CPUs and fast PS interpreters. I/O speed comes into it, too. FreeBSD seems particularly slow over parallel and USB both not true, but just use lptcontrol for parallel port! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
The only time inkjet makes sense is if your printing needs for your lifetime consist of a single ream of paper. Or if you want photo quality. then i give my images to the fotograph shop on CD/DVD and got it on photo paper and quality. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Duplex printer advice
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Color laser is what you want. There are some really good inexpensive units out there. I recall reading the inexpensieve Samsung color laser even speaks Postscript. while i don't use color printers, usually this postscript is disadventage. if there is a choice like in HP laserjets - switching to PCL and using ghostscript works MUCH faster giving same results. This depends a lot on your print jobs. Low quality machine-generated PostScript output can be slow. PCL can also be slow. The only way to really know is to benchmark with your print jobs. There's also the potential overhead of the print processing systems. Just sending PS in the first place may be quicker than apsfilter or CUPS. Enscript is versatile for converting text. your computer's CPU is much faster than printer's. It depends a lot on which printer and which computer are being compared. Recent printers have fast RISC CPUs and fast PS interpreters. I/O speed comes into it, too. FreeBSD seems particularly slow over parallel and USB ports; Ethernet is fine. HP LaserJet 4 and 3 is excellent, anything newer - crap, as HP joined others in making craps so every year user has to buy new one. I disagree. The LaserJet 4050, for example, is better than the LJ4 in every way possible. The trick is to avoid low-end HP models. The good ones are the ones built for business use (like the LJ4050, and--it its time--the LJ4). They can be found used for the same or less than new low-end versions: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/usedlasers.pdf -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 02:03:30PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Inkjet color printing is NEVER cheaper. Color laser is what you want. There are some really good inexpensive units out there. I recall reading the inexpensieve Samsung color laser even speaks Postscript. The only time inkjet makes sense is if your printing needs for your lifetime consist of a single ream of paper. Or if you want photo quality. My HP Laserjet 4+ at home is the oldest operating piece of computer equipment I have. And I fully expect it to last another decade, and once it dies, I have another one in the basement that I picked up for $50 - WITH a duplexer. We have one at work that if it was up to me I too would sell it for $50 if anyone offered. Its a networked color HP 4M something that prints 11" wide. Letter prints sideways, and 11x17 prints lengthwise. Its slower than Christmas when printing photos. Maybe 2 pages per hour. We keep it because 1) its paid for, 2) we have space for it, and 3) it prints very pretty color text for proposals. We have a networked inkjet HP all-in-one sitting next to the laser for when photos are more important. And a Kyocera all-in-one laser for B&W. The reason the printer mfgrs love inkjets is that not only is the cost per page far higher, necessitating frequent ink cartridge changes, but the ink cartridges themselves dry up and stop working, and the printers jam, strip gears, and stop working. Thus you are able to sell the person printer after printer. All of the above applies to lasers. If you look at laserjet sales, the only movement on the printers Laserjet is an HP trademark. When I visit Fry's every once in a while and overhear people discussing what printer to buy, I love to drag them over to the salesguy's little kiosk and point out the HP Laserjet 8000n behind the counter, which occupies just about all free space in the kiosk. An HP8000 (and 4000, 4050, 5000) are excellent industrial grade laser printers. HP makes very few industrial grade inkjets, generally not found at Frys. HP also makes cheap-as-dirt lasers such as the HP-1020. I ask them, why would Fry's stick this giant printer behind the counter, and suck up all free space if a small "personal" printer occuping so much less space was as good of a deal? If anyone working the Frys showroom floor was capable of answering that question then they are grossly over qualified. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Duplex printer advice
Color laser is what you want. There are some really good inexpensive units out there. I recall reading the inexpensieve Samsung color laser even speaks Postscript. while i don't use color printers, usually this postscript is disadventage. if there is a choice like in HP laserjets - switching to PCL and using ghostscript works MUCH faster giving same results. your computer's CPU is much faster than printer's. The only time inkjet makes sense is if your printing needs for your lifetime consist of a single ream of paper. i don't think they can print as much without failure. my HP LaserJet 4 shows 122000 pages, was 88000 when i bought it for 100PLN (about 40$)+another 100 for made-in-Poland new ink cardridge (enough for about 8000-1 pages). HP LaserJet 4 and 3 is excellent, anything newer - crap, as HP joined others in making craps so every year user has to buy new one. My HP Laserjet 4+ at home is the oldest operating piece of computer equipment I have. And I fully expect it to last another decade, and once it dies, I have another one in the basement that I picked up for $50 - WITH a duplexer. i don't think it will stop within 10 years. but do you have original HP manual? if not - i have for laserjet 4 in PDF. do not try to disassembly without it :) Color laserjets will end up doing the same thing. The reason the printer mfgrs love inkjets is that not only is the cost per page far higher, necessitating frequent ink cartridge changes, but the ink cartridges themselves dry up and stop working, and the printers jam, strip gears, and stop working. Thus you are able to sell the person printer after printer. as long as people will buy them, they will produce it. But laserjet technology is old, been around for years, and is very time tested. If the average printer consumer realized how much money they were tossing away on inkjets, they would be demanding lasers and the price of the laserjet would be dirt cheap. this is his/her money, not yours. if he/she want to waste it - what a problem :) same with computers - most of us don't really needs new ones, while older as really cheap. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Duplex printer advice
On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 14:03 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Robey > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 5:26 PM > > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > > Cc: Kurt Buff; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FreeBSD Questions; Derek Ragona > > Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice > > > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline > > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:23 PM > > > To: FreeBSD Questions > > > Cc: Kurt Buff; Derek Ragona > > > Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice > > > > > > > > >> I second this suggestion since my Brother HL-5250DN just-worked once it > > >> was plugged into my hub. It was $179 at Costco a few months back, has > > >> all the features that David mentions, and builtin Postscript|clone. > > >> It just prints--nothing fancy--but then hey... . > > > > > > Just one warning about these. > > > > > > The toner empty light blinks use the same pattern as the > > > fuser fail. And, unlike the HP units, you usually can't > > > "shake down" the cartridge to get an extra hundred or > > > so pages out of it. Don't jump to conclusions that the > > > fuser is bad when it's out of toner. > > > > Man, this is really going to look like I'm never satisfied, which > > I guess is > > actually true, so why am I worried about that? thanks to this > > thread, I found > > out about the Brother printers ... my own requirements list > > includes (color > > duplex printer scanner). I don't need it to be a laser, but I do > > need both > > color, multifunc, and duplex printing. I spotted the Brother > > the DCP-9045CDN, > > but at $700 list, I begin to wonder if I could find one with the > > same specs > > ESCEPTING it was the cheaper technology of inkjet. > > No, no no Don't join the dark side, Luke! > > Inkjet color printing is NEVER cheaper. > > Color laser is what you want. There are some really > good inexpensive units out there. I recall reading the > inexpensieve Samsung color laser even speaks Postscript. > > The only time inkjet makes sense is if your printing > needs for your lifetime consist of a single ream of > paper. > > My HP Laserjet 4+ at home is the oldest operating piece of > computer equipment I have. And I fully expect it to last > another decade, and once it dies, I have another one in the > basement that I picked up for $50 - WITH a duplexer. > > Color laserjets will end up doing the same thing. > > The reason the printer mfgrs love inkjets is that > not only is the cost per page far higher, necessitating > frequent ink cartridge changes, but the ink cartridges > themselves dry up and stop working, and the printers > jam, strip gears, and stop working. Thus you are able > to sell the person printer after printer. > > If you look at laserjet sales, the only movement on > the printers themselves is > among people who buy laserjets for very high volume > printing. Thus the printer manufacturers have bent > over backwards to keep the laserjets out of the retail > supply chain, and it is the new entries into the US > market - like brother, samsung and the like, who are > willing to go into the retail chain and discount. > > When I visit Fry's every once in a while and overhear > people discussing what printer to buy, I love to > drag them over to the salesguy's little kiosk and point > out the HP Laserjet 8000n behind the counter, which > occupies just about all free space in the kiosk. > I ask them, why would Fry's stick this giant printer > behind the counter, and suck up all free space if > a small "personal" printer occuping so much less > space was as good of a deal? > > But laserjet technology is old, been around for years, > and is very time tested. If the average printer > consumer realized how much money they were tossing > away on inkjets, they would be demanding lasers and > the price of the laserjet would be dirt cheap. > > > > > The reasoning behind going to inkjet is because I'm currently on > > a tight budget. > > I really would like to pay no more than about half that $700. > > You will pay more over the long haul, guarenteed. Run the >
RE: Duplex printer advice
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Robey > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 5:26 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Kurt Buff; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FreeBSD Questions; Derek Ragona > Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:23 PM > > To: FreeBSD Questions > > Cc: Kurt Buff; Derek Ragona > > Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice > > > > > >> I second this suggestion since my Brother HL-5250DN just-worked once it > >> was plugged into my hub. It was $179 at Costco a few months back, has > >> all the features that David mentions, and builtin Postscript|clone. > >> It just prints--nothing fancy--but then hey... . > > > > Just one warning about these. > > > > The toner empty light blinks use the same pattern as the > > fuser fail. And, unlike the HP units, you usually can't > > "shake down" the cartridge to get an extra hundred or > > so pages out of it. Don't jump to conclusions that the > > fuser is bad when it's out of toner. > > Man, this is really going to look like I'm never satisfied, which > I guess is > actually true, so why am I worried about that? thanks to this > thread, I found > out about the Brother printers ... my own requirements list > includes (color > duplex printer scanner). I don't need it to be a laser, but I do > need both > color, multifunc, and duplex printing. I spotted the Brother > the DCP-9045CDN, > but at $700 list, I begin to wonder if I could find one with the > same specs > ESCEPTING it was the cheaper technology of inkjet. No, no no Don't join the dark side, Luke! Inkjet color printing is NEVER cheaper. Color laser is what you want. There are some really good inexpensive units out there. I recall reading the inexpensieve Samsung color laser even speaks Postscript. The only time inkjet makes sense is if your printing needs for your lifetime consist of a single ream of paper. My HP Laserjet 4+ at home is the oldest operating piece of computer equipment I have. And I fully expect it to last another decade, and once it dies, I have another one in the basement that I picked up for $50 - WITH a duplexer. Color laserjets will end up doing the same thing. The reason the printer mfgrs love inkjets is that not only is the cost per page far higher, necessitating frequent ink cartridge changes, but the ink cartridges themselves dry up and stop working, and the printers jam, strip gears, and stop working. Thus you are able to sell the person printer after printer. If you look at laserjet sales, the only movement on the printers themselves is among people who buy laserjets for very high volume printing. Thus the printer manufacturers have bent over backwards to keep the laserjets out of the retail supply chain, and it is the new entries into the US market - like brother, samsung and the like, who are willing to go into the retail chain and discount. When I visit Fry's every once in a while and overhear people discussing what printer to buy, I love to drag them over to the salesguy's little kiosk and point out the HP Laserjet 8000n behind the counter, which occupies just about all free space in the kiosk. I ask them, why would Fry's stick this giant printer behind the counter, and suck up all free space if a small "personal" printer occuping so much less space was as good of a deal? But laserjet technology is old, been around for years, and is very time tested. If the average printer consumer realized how much money they were tossing away on inkjets, they would be demanding lasers and the price of the laserjet would be dirt cheap. > > The reasoning behind going to inkjet is because I'm currently on > a tight budget. > I really would like to pay no more than about half that $700. You will pay more over the long haul, guarenteed. Run the numbers. Seriously, this is one of those purchases where it actually makes sense to finance it on a visa card or some such. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 6:38 AM, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In response to "Kurt Buff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> I'm looking to replace my current printer - a Dell 1700n - because I >> can't make it work with FreeBSD/Linux. > > I think you're doing it wrong. I have a 1700 series Dell printer and it > works just fine with FreeBSD. Did you install CUPS and the ppd files? > > -- > Bill Moran > http://www.potentialtech.com Cups came installed with Suse's gnome desktop - I don't have FreeBSD installed yet - and I can't find a ppd file that makes it talk, though the installer does connect to port 9000 when testing. I could very well be doing something wrong, or at least insufficiently right, but it's not happening for me. Which ppd file are you using? Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
In response to "Kurt Buff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I'm looking to replace my current printer - a Dell 1700n - because I > can't make it work with FreeBSD/Linux. I think you're doing it wrong. I have a 1700 series Dell printer and it works just fine with FreeBSD. Did you install CUPS and the ppd files? -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
> my own requirements list includes (color duplex printer scanner). > I don't need it to be a laser, but I do need both color, multifunc, > and duplex printing ... I begin to wonder if I could find one with > the same specs ESCEPTING it was the cheaper technology of inkjet. > ... please don't spend time trying to talk me out of features > like color, or duplex, I like both too well ... If you want *good* color, look into Xerox. Seriously. They are not as costly as you may be expecting. My experience with inkjet is that it produces inferior results, and saves little or no money if you consider the cost of ink, esp. when you have to pitch a 3/4-full cartridge because it clogged up. BT, DT. And no, I don't work for Xerox. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
On Jun 1, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Kurt Buff wrote: As a matter of not going mad - what driver are you using for this printer? Search the list archives, Gary Kline is the latest to have worked out those specific details. I usually use apsfilter but haven't reinstalled it since the wipe and reinstall of my ports after upgrading to 7.0-stable. Most of my 12,000 pages were printed from MacOS X. At another location I have a FreeBSD 5.4 or 5.5 machine with something like 600 days of uptime which uses apsfilter, ghostscript via hpdj driver, to the PCL-5 network interface on a Kyocera printer. Ironically the Kyocera has a postscript interface but we never figured out how/who was turning it off. Know the hooks are there in the print system to enable duplex but haven't made much use of them from FreeBSD. Most all of my 12,000 pages were duplex. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
On Jun 1, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Just one warning about these. The toner empty light blinks use the same pattern as the fuser fail. And, unlike the HP units, you usually can't "shake down" the cartridge to get an extra hundred or so pages out of it. Don't jump to conclusions that the fuser is bad when it's out of toner. An irony of this printer is a new drum is $180 MSRP but refurbished 5250's or 5240's are about $100. If ever my drum needs replacement I'll buy a refurbished printer. The 5240 is the same thing but without network, duplex, or postscript. So when buying for spare parts its just as good as a 5250. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:23 PM > To: FreeBSD Questions > Cc: Kurt Buff; Derek Ragona > Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice > > >> I second this suggestion since my Brother HL-5250DN just-worked once it >> was plugged into my hub. It was $179 at Costco a few months back, has >> all the features that David mentions, and builtin Postscript|clone. >> It just prints--nothing fancy--but then hey... . > > Just one warning about these. > > The toner empty light blinks use the same pattern as the > fuser fail. And, unlike the HP units, you usually can't > "shake down" the cartridge to get an extra hundred or > so pages out of it. Don't jump to conclusions that the > fuser is bad when it's out of toner. Man, this is really going to look like I'm never satisfied, which I guess is actually true, so why am I worried about that? thanks to this thread, I found out about the Brother printers ... my own requirements list includes (color duplex printer scanner). I don't need it to be a laser, but I do need both color, multifunc, and duplex printing. I spotted the Brother the DCP-9045CDN, but at $700 list, I begin to wonder if I could find one with the same specs ESCEPTING it was the cheaper technology of inkjet. Didn't find a Brother like that, but I'm not finished looking for used 9045's, and I didn;'t get your comments about it ... please don't spend time trying to talk me out of features like color, or duplex, I like both too well. I might be talked out of it being multifunction, but it's be a fight for sure. The reasoning behind going to inkjet is because I'm currently on a tight budget. I really would like to pay no more than about half that $700. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIQz4tz62J6PPcoOkRAmFZAKCJ4AJcZx5LpsXUdeVVVWA+fD7I6wCeMNLK 3iU8Y97qg1foFf0i7ICxWn4= =I3NO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:23 PM > To: FreeBSD Questions > Cc: Kurt Buff; Derek Ragona > Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice > > >>I second this suggestion since my Brother HL-5250DN just-worked once it >>was plugged into my hub. It was $179 at Costco a few months back, has >>all the features that David mentions, and builtin Postscript|clone. >>It just prints--nothing fancy--but then hey... . > > Just one warning about these. > > The toner empty light blinks use the same pattern as the > fuser fail. And, unlike the HP units, you usually can't > "shake down" the cartridge to get an extra hundred or > so pages out of it. Don't jump to conclusions that the > fuser is bad when it's out of toner. > > Ted Good to know. Thanks. Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:26 AM, David Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 31, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Derek Ragona wrote: > >> At 04:12 PM 5/31/2008, Kurt Buff wrote: >>> >>> All, >>> >>> I'm looking to replace my current printer - a Dell 1700n - because I >>> can't make it work with FreeBSD/Linux. >>> >>> To replace it, I'd like to get a duplex printer, as I really hate to >>> waste paper. Does anyone have good experience with one that isn't >>> terribly expensive (expensive to me means more than US$500) and that >>> works with with FreeBSD? Even better if it has Ethernet. >>> >>> I'm only finding (on ostg.pricegrabber.com) the Lexmark Optra T622DN >>> and T522DN, but don't know much about them. >>> >>> Anyone care to share? >>> >>> Kurt >> >> My 2 cents is I'd looks for a printer with a built-in network interface >> and that has postscript and pcl emulations. In addition look at the >> replacement toner cost and figure out the cost of ownership across 3-5 >> years. >> >> I would look at lexmark, and samsung. Lexmark have higher duty cycles >> (pages per month) and take larger toner cartidges. The samsung's make nice >> work group low duty cycle printers. > > Lexmark and Dell are infamous for expensive toner-lock-ins. > > We had this discussion months ago where I recommended a Brother HL-5250DN. I > have about 12,000 trouble free pages on mine, just don't bother trying to > print envelopes. > > Has ethernet, duplex, postscript emulation, PCL-6, just about everything but > a paper tray large enough to hold a full ream. Multiple paper trays are an > available but expensive and rare option. > > Readily available from Staples and other places for $250. Refurbished units > occasionally appear for $100. The usual 3rd party toner places have refills > for under $20 that I've found are good for about 6,000 dense pages. > > $187: http://bensbargains.net/deal/66407/ > > Staples recently (no longer) had refurbished Brother MFC-8660DN on sale for > $200. Appears to be the same printer and features plus scanner with paper > feed, and fax. > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. As a matter of not going mad - what driver are you using for this printer? Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Duplex printer advice
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:23 PM To: FreeBSD Questions Cc: Kurt Buff; Derek Ragona Subject: Re: Duplex printer advice >I second this suggestion since my Brother HL-5250DN just-worked once it >was plugged into my hub. It was $179 at Costco a few months back, has >all the features that David mentions, and builtin Postscript|clone. >It just prints--nothing fancy--but then hey... . Just one warning about these. The toner empty light blinks use the same pattern as the fuser fail. And, unlike the HP units, you usually can't "shake down" the cartridge to get an extra hundred or so pages out of it. Don't jump to conclusions that the fuser is bad when it's out of toner. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 13:26 -0500, David Kelly wrote: > On May 31, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Derek Ragona wrote: > > > At 04:12 PM 5/31/2008, Kurt Buff wrote: > >> All, > >> > >> I'm looking to replace my current printer - a Dell 1700n - because I > >> can't make it work with FreeBSD/Linux. > >> > >> To replace it, I'd like to get a duplex printer, as I really hate to > >> waste paper. Does anyone have good experience with one that isn't > >> terribly expensive (expensive to me means more than US$500) and that > >> works with with FreeBSD? Even better if it has Ethernet. > >> > >> I'm only finding (on ostg.pricegrabber.com) the Lexmark Optra T622DN > >> and T522DN, but don't know much about them. > >> > >> Anyone care to share? > >> > >> Kurt > > > > My 2 cents is I'd looks for a printer with a built-in network > > interface and that has postscript and pcl emulations. In addition > > look at the replacement toner cost and figure out the cost of > > ownership across 3-5 years. > > > > I would look at lexmark, and samsung. Lexmark have higher duty > > cycles (pages per month) and take larger toner cartidges. The > > samsung's make nice work group low duty cycle printers. > > Lexmark and Dell are infamous for expensive toner-lock-ins. > > We had this discussion months ago where I recommended a Brother > HL-5250DN. I have about 12,000 trouble free pages on mine, just don't > bother trying to print envelopes. > > Has ethernet, duplex, postscript emulation, PCL-6, just about > everything but a paper tray large enough to hold a full ream. Multiple > paper trays are an available but expensive and rare option. > > Readily available from Staples and other places for $250. Refurbished > units occasionally appear for $100. The usual 3rd party toner places > have refills for under $20 that I've found are good for about 6,000 > dense pages. > > $187: http://bensbargains.net/deal/66407/ > > Staples recently (no longer) had refurbished Brother MFC-8660DN on > sale for $200. Appears to be the same printer and features plus > scanner with paper feed, and fax. > I second this suggestion since my Brother HL-5250DN just-worked once it was plugged into my hub. It was $179 at Costco a few months back, has all the features that David mentions, and builtin Postscript|clone. It just prints--nothing fancy--but then hey... . gary > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:26 AM, David Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 31, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Derek Ragona wrote: > >> At 04:12 PM 5/31/2008, Kurt Buff wrote: >>> >>> All, >>> >>> I'm looking to replace my current printer - a Dell 1700n - because I >>> can't make it work with FreeBSD/Linux. >>> >>> To replace it, I'd like to get a duplex printer, as I really hate to >>> waste paper. Does anyone have good experience with one that isn't >>> terribly expensive (expensive to me means more than US$500) and that >>> works with with FreeBSD? Even better if it has Ethernet. >>> >>> I'm only finding (on ostg.pricegrabber.com) the Lexmark Optra T622DN >>> and T522DN, but don't know much about them. >>> >>> Anyone care to share? >>> >>> Kurt >> >> My 2 cents is I'd looks for a printer with a built-in network interface >> and that has postscript and pcl emulations. In addition look at the >> replacement toner cost and figure out the cost of ownership across 3-5 >> years. >> >> I would look at lexmark, and samsung. Lexmark have higher duty cycles >> (pages per month) and take larger toner cartidges. The samsung's make nice >> work group low duty cycle printers. > > Lexmark and Dell are infamous for expensive toner-lock-ins. > > We had this discussion months ago where I recommended a Brother HL-5250DN. I > have about 12,000 trouble free pages on mine, just don't bother trying to > print envelopes. > > Has ethernet, duplex, postscript emulation, PCL-6, just about everything but > a paper tray large enough to hold a full ream. Multiple paper trays are an > available but expensive and rare option. > > Readily available from Staples and other places for $250. Refurbished units > occasionally appear for $100. The usual 3rd party toner places have refills > for under $20 that I've found are good for about 6,000 dense pages. > > $187: http://bensbargains.net/deal/66407/ > > Staples recently (no longer) had refurbished Brother MFC-8660DN on sale for > $200. Appears to be the same printer and features plus scanner with paper > feed, and fax. > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. I am staring at the buy.com page now, card in hand. Thanks - this is the kind of recommendation I needed. Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
On May 31, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Derek Ragona wrote: At 04:12 PM 5/31/2008, Kurt Buff wrote: All, I'm looking to replace my current printer - a Dell 1700n - because I can't make it work with FreeBSD/Linux. To replace it, I'd like to get a duplex printer, as I really hate to waste paper. Does anyone have good experience with one that isn't terribly expensive (expensive to me means more than US$500) and that works with with FreeBSD? Even better if it has Ethernet. I'm only finding (on ostg.pricegrabber.com) the Lexmark Optra T622DN and T522DN, but don't know much about them. Anyone care to share? Kurt My 2 cents is I'd looks for a printer with a built-in network interface and that has postscript and pcl emulations. In addition look at the replacement toner cost and figure out the cost of ownership across 3-5 years. I would look at lexmark, and samsung. Lexmark have higher duty cycles (pages per month) and take larger toner cartidges. The samsung's make nice work group low duty cycle printers. Lexmark and Dell are infamous for expensive toner-lock-ins. We had this discussion months ago where I recommended a Brother HL-5250DN. I have about 12,000 trouble free pages on mine, just don't bother trying to print envelopes. Has ethernet, duplex, postscript emulation, PCL-6, just about everything but a paper tray large enough to hold a full ream. Multiple paper trays are an available but expensive and rare option. Readily available from Staples and other places for $250. Refurbished units occasionally appear for $100. The usual 3rd party toner places have refills for under $20 that I've found are good for about 6,000 dense pages. $187: http://bensbargains.net/deal/66407/ Staples recently (no longer) had refurbished Brother MFC-8660DN on sale for $200. Appears to be the same printer and features plus scanner with paper feed, and fax. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
Kurt Buff wrote: I'm looking to replace my current printer - a Dell 1700n - because I can't make it work with FreeBSD/Linux. So tell us, what is the problem? -- Jos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Duplex printer advice
At 04:12 PM 5/31/2008, Kurt Buff wrote: All, I'm looking to replace my current printer - a Dell 1700n - because I can't make it work with FreeBSD/Linux. To replace it, I'd like to get a duplex printer, as I really hate to waste paper. Does anyone have good experience with one that isn't terribly expensive (expensive to me means more than US$500) and that works with with FreeBSD? Even better if it has Ethernet. I'm only finding (on ostg.pricegrabber.com) the Lexmark Optra T622DN and T522DN, but don't know much about them. Anyone care to share? Kurt My 2 cents is I'd looks for a printer with a built-in network interface and that has postscript and pcl emulations. In addition look at the replacement toner cost and figure out the cost of ownership across 3-5 years. I would look at lexmark, and samsung. Lexmark have higher duty cycles (pages per month) and take larger toner cartidges. The samsung's make nice work group low duty cycle printers. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
