Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?
On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:23 AM, Digital Bill wrote: I routinely share files between the two machines, as well as my wife's new iMac, which runs Leopard. And I like a lot of what I've seen in Leopard, especially the simplicity of Time Machine, to say nothing of several apps and utilities I regularly use being upgraded to Leopard- only status, Plus the allure of being as up-to-date as possible, especially given that the current Leopard will probably be the last version of OSX that will run on my PPC machine. Except for the wife thing, I pretty much do the same share data thing between my QS 2002, PCI Graphics (Yikes!) and a PPC 8500 Sonnet G4/450 Xpostfacto'd with Panther (soon to Tiger). So, given all that setup, have I waited long enough? Is Leopard stable enough and reliable enough and speedy enough for my MDD Dual G4? When I put Leopard on my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz, I also found I needed a Core Image video card ... so I invested in an ATI Radeon 9800Pro. A bit of an overkill for what I do, but other software (Sibelius music notation) and others, are moving into the Leopard arena so I wanted to move on with them. DVD Player also had Deinterlacing set as default, and I thought my nVidia Geforce 4MX wasn't fast enough for DVD Player ... software core image was being used ... but the Deinterlacing was the culprit that ate up my Dual 1GHz. I had already moved to the ATI Radeon 9800Pro by the time I discovered the Deinterlacing thing ... Anyway ... The G4 dual-boots, so any need for OS9 -- which is minimal these days -- can be met by booting directly into it. Or by accessing it on the Panther machine I have: a Power Computing clone with G4 card running XPostFacto. Oh ... dual boot sort of goes out the window with the ATI Radeon 9800Pro ... unless I missed something? Any comments here? 9800Pro isn't supported under OS 9.2? Now I've discovered, as others have, Time Machine is buggy (search other threads). I moved to Leopard mainly for Time Machine. With CCC 3.1.2 newly released, the eye candy nature of Time Machine has grown less sweet. Nevertheless, as a staunch member of the Apple community, I've enjoyed the thrill of moving into Leopard land only a few months ago ... and even bought a Tiger CD set, hacked it for my PCI Graphics, and am having fun with that cat, too. Just need to be spending my time at the piano and easel, instead of enjoying the system programmer nature of installing new OS Xs ... although it was/is puzzle-solving-fun ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hot iMac
At 9:52 PM -0500 11/9/2008, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: Is the new iMac supposed to run so hot? How hot? All the time, or just when you're making it work hard? Ambient room temperature range? Good ventilation around the iMac? They do run warm, but not anywhere near what I'd call hot. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?
I've been running 10.5 on various machines since day 1. The only problem I've had is right at install; Leopard is memory intensive and any RAM that is not up to specs will cause problems, even if Tiger ran on it. Use a RAM checker (like Rember) and run several passes to be sure your RAM is OK before you install 10.5. Also, be sure you want/ need/will use Leopard's features, because it will run a little slower than 10.4.11. On Nov 10, 2:23 am, Digital Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The subject line pretty much says it all. I've never been an early adopter, and I've held off going beyond Tiger 10.4.11 on my MDD Dual (2x867) G4 until now mainly because it's been stable and I (mistakenly) thought I wanted to hold onto Classic. The G4 dual-boots, so any need for OS9 -- which is minimal these days -- can be met by booting directly into it. Or by accessing it on the Panther machine I have: a Power Computing clone with G4 card running XPostFacto. I routinely share files between the two machines, as well as my wife's new iMac, which runs Leopard. And I like a lot of what I've seen in Leopard, especially the simplicity of Time Machine, to say nothing of several apps and utilities I regularly use being upgraded to Leopard- only status, Plus the allure of being as up-to-date as possible, especially given that the current Leopard will probably be the last version of OSX that will run on my PPC machine. So, given all that setup, have I waited long enough? Is Leopard stable enough and reliable enough and speedy enough for my MDD Dual G4? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Amanda Ward wrote: Hi All... Leopard went away. That's what happened. What I did was install Dock Detox for Entourage from Unsanity. I rebooted the system and got a blue screen with a mouse pointer. I can move the pointer around, but that's all that happens. I've seen this before and if I waited for a while, the desktop finally appeared. However, I waited an hour and 20 minutes and nothing. I get no grey Apple screen, no spinning gear thingy... just the blue screen. I do have verbose mode in startup, but I'm not sure what I should be looking for there. I booted from the Leopard DVD and ran disk utility. The utility reported two errors, file count and folder count. Those were repaired and the drive declared okey-dokey. Select the Leopard drive to reboot and I get the same result. I can boot just fine from Tiger (Typing from there right now). The Leopard drive shows up on the desktop and the contents appear alright. Haven't tried booting 9.2.2. Not sure what is going on with the system. My Computer: G4 Sawtooth 1.6 GHz Powerlogix CPU 1 GB SDRam Leopard drive - Maxtor 80 GB about 3 GB free Leopard 10.5.5 Tiger drive - Maxtor 60 GB in two equal partitions. One with Tiger 10.4.10 one with OS 9.2.2 Any suggestions? Thanks, Amanda Ward -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Out of the Blue
Hi All... Leopard went away. That's what happened. What I did was install Dock Detox for Entourage from Unsanity. I rebooted the system and got a blue screen with a mouse pointer. I can move the pointer around, but that's all that happens. I've seen this before and if I waited for a while, the desktop finally appeared. However, I waited an hour and 20 minutes and nothing. I get no grey Apple screen, no spinning gear thingy... just the blue screen. I do have verbose mode in startup, but I'm not sure what I should be looking for there. I booted from the Leopard DVD and ran disk utility. The utility reported two errors, file count and folder count. Those were repaired and the drive declared okey-dokey. Select the Leopard drive to reboot and I get the same result. I can boot just fine from Tiger (Typing from there right now). The Leopard drive shows up on the desktop and the contents appear alright. Haven't tried booting 9.2.2. Not sure what is going on with the system. My Computer: G4 Sawtooth 1.6 GHz Powerlogix CPU 1 GB SDRam Leopard drive - Maxtor 80 GB about 3 GB free Leopard 10.5.5 Tiger drive - Maxtor 60 GB in two equal partitions. One with Tiger 10.4.10 one with OS 9.2.2 Any suggestions? Thanks, Amanda Ward --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:08 AM, insightinmind wrote: Thinking out loud ... Is 3GB rather small free space for Leopard? I'd try Safe Boot mode into Leopard (booting use Shift key down?), and, if successful, removing what you installed, and see what happens. Just thinking out loud ... someone else may have more reliable thoughts ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio Bill and Bruce... Can't get into safe mode. The system hangs before getting into the GUI. The verbose output is chock full of error, can't and isn't messages. can't determine dependencies can't map module file Has no explicit kernel dependency isn't a valid mach-o error mapping module file Trying to boot safe mode stops with the following message: jnl: unknown-dev journal replay done Any insight from this? I =kinda= suspect the system is hosed and while I can rebuild the thing, I =really= don't want to have to. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
On Nov 10, 2008, at 10:15 AM, Amanda Ward wrote: I =kinda= suspect the system is hosed and while I can rebuild the thing, I =really= don't want to have to. try an archivere-install first. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
At 7:58 AM -0800 11/10/2008, Amanda Ward wrote: Hi All... Leopard went away. That's what happened. What I did was install Dock Detox for Entourage from Unsanity. gah. What's the deal with Unsanity's haxie? It seems to break a lot of things way too often! See this article for recovery steps: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1545 In general, you need to get in there somehow and wipe out ApplicationEnhancer. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?
On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Doug Burton wrote: I have the same machine and mine is staying with 10.4.11. For one thing, I've heard that Leopard was optimized for Intel machines and I did try to run it on my upgraded DA with a 1.6 Ghz CPU. I didn't like it, ran slow and choppy. But couldn't that have been an artifact of the original DA architecture or the amount of ram you had installed? I have a dual 533MHz DA, and when I first began contemplating moving to Leopard I thought about just upgrading it, but Leopard wants a minimum 867MHz processor to install. There are all sorts of ways around this, but I decided not to tempt fate. I have a dual 867MHZ MDD like Bill's on the way and a retail leopard disk. The MDD has 768MB of RAM in it, but I'm planning on getting it up to the 2GB maximum and possibly upgrading the video card. When I have it all set up, I'll let y'all know how it goes. Peace, Love, and Joy, SaJe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Photoshop 7 on Intel iMac NOT Why?
On Nov 9, 2008, at 7:45 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: Hi O Great Ones, Since the IIvx and OS7 I have always been able to run old software on a new Mac. But Pshop 7 that works well on the G4 throws an unrecoverable error and immediately closes on the Intel iMac. Is it the Intel aspect? Adobe wants you on the Upgrade Express. Photoshop 7 will not run on 10.5, intel or PPC. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Switching to an LCD
I also have a Blue and White G3, and have connected two different LCDs without problems. The current one is a Samsung that My wife didnèt like on her Gateway, so I swapped the screens. I would suspect some setting in the video card or perhaps a glitch there. (Especially since it works after attaching a CRT monitor. There is probably an impedance difference between the two screen types, but the card should be able to handle that. Barrie On Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 07:54 PM, scenemaker wrote: Hi. I just picked up a used blue and white G3 and I'm trying to use a spare Dell LCD monitor with it. It only works if I plug in the old CRT to the display card first, then unplug it and plug in the LCD. Otherwise it just blinks a little as if trying to display. No problems restoring after sleep state. The card is an ATI Rage 128. I've used PCs since the late 80s and build my own, but never used or opened a Mac before and I'm pretty lost on the insides. I don't seem to find discussions on this so I don't know if it is just my problem or there's a proprietary thing I have to work around or if it is just too old. Any help appreciated. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
Dan... On 11/10/08 09:38, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gah. What's the deal with Unsanity's haxie? It seems to break a lot of things way too often! See this article for recovery steps: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1545 In general, you need to get in there somehow and wipe out ApplicationEnhancer. - Dan. That did it!!! A million thanks! Bruce and Bill... I certainly appreciate your assistance. I downloaded that particular bit of software to keep Entourage from bouncing it's icon all the time. I should have been a little suspicious when it had no effect. sigh Thanks again, Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Admin password and name
How does one delete the login keychain? On Nov 9, 7:20 pm, Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 9, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Norman Rowe wrote: First off I have never had linux. I have OS 10.5.5 on 2 HD drives. The backup seems to be fine. The main one keeps asking for an admisitrator name and password, does not like any I have tried. The backup system pref is set to admin but the main is set to standard. I have tried to change that but does not work. Should use Disk Utility to restore from the back up, time mchine to go back to last one in July or just erase and reinstall? None of the above. Boot your 10.5 Leopard DVD and from the Utilities menu select Reset Password and then select the correct HD and reset the password. This will reset the admin user password for everything except the login keychain. You'll need to know the old password to reset the login keychain, and if you don't know it, simply delete the entire login keychain and the new one will use the new password you just set using the DVD. If you don't have the installation DVD, you can try this instead: http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/22/reset-os-x-password-without-an-os-... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Admin password and name
On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:47 PM, norm46 wrote: How does one delete the login keychain? Open the application Keychain Access in your Utilities folder. In the lefthand column highlight the keychain called Login and Control- click or right-click on it to get the contextual drop down menu and select delete keychain login. In case you're nervous that this is the correct action, here's the Apple KBA on this subject: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1631 Good luck! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fwd: Panther upgrade?
I posted this to the Panther List and got a message that it doesn't exist anymore? Begin forwarded message: From: John Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: November 10, 2008 3:45:42 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: John Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Panther upgrade? Is it possible to install a Panther upgrade on a G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower, 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS X 10.2.8, and what are the requirements? The CD's are numbered Version 10.3 2Z691-4633- A and 2Z691-4586-A Thank you John Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] If there are no dogs in Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went.¨ --Will Rogers extreme positive = (ybya2) John Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] If there are no dogs in Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went.¨ --Will Rogers extreme positive = (ybya2) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
Yeah... On 11/10/08 12:34, Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Dan wrote: That's what happened. What I did was install Dock Detox for Entourage from Unsanity. gah. What's the deal with Unsanity's haxie? It seems to break a lot of things way too often! This is unfair. My bad. However, I was directed to the Unsanity download page from an Entourage support page. To be fair, there is nothing on the download page to indicate the incompatibility. Clicking on the Support link takes you to a page with a link mentioning compatibility with Intel Macs. Clicking on =that= link, tho' I have a PPC Mac, takes you to a page mentioning the compatibility page for information regarding specific products. Click on =that= link and... Finally! You find out that, indeed, Dock Detox doesn't work with Leopard. So... While I didn't perform due research, I think Unsanity could have made the information a tiny bit easier to find! ;-) Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
At 2:34 PM -0600 11/10/2008, Kris Tilford wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Dan wrote: That's what happened. What I did was install Dock Detox for Entourage from Unsanity. gah. What's the deal with Unsanity's haxie? It seems to break a lot of things way too often! This is unfair. We'll have to disagree. Unsanity products preform perfectly when used correctly. The problem here is that Amanda didn't read the instructions about compatibility on Unsanity's website. If she had, she would have seen that Dock Detox is incompatible with Leopard. I don't think it's Unsanity's fault This isn't a simple app or plug-in failure. This is farking with enough of the underbelly that it is causing OS X to *NOT BOOT* correctly. This is has been a known issue for them for a long time! A responsible programmer would have put appropriate sanity (sic) checks in their code to make sure it DOESN'T LOAD if it's on an unsupported configuration. Farking a boot ONCE is forgivable. ONCE. But this is how many releases since? I'm sorry. While it's great for users to read release notes and such... Programmers are responsible for making their code SAFE, period. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Free memory question
I have a system memory question to refresh my personal memory. I have a DA with 1GB (1024MB) ram installed running 10.4.11. After running my system all day (I shut down every night) and not quitting any apps (13 are open), just closing the unused documents, the System Memory portion of Activity Monitor shows: Wired 103.24 MB Active 589.93 MB Inactive 314.41 MB Free 14.64 MB VM size 7.90GB Page ins/ outs 50890/3877 My questions/ comments for verification are: IIRC, the actual free memory is the combined inactive and free. Correct? So, in theory, I am not choking my system and work habits with only 1 GB of ram. (Yes, I remember choking my Plus with Multifinder and 1MB). I do not notice any lag switching programs except with very large clipboards and menumeters shows high cpu usage, so I guess that is processor dependent. Thanks, Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Panther upgrade?
On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:09 PM, John Callahan wrote: I posted this to the Panther List and got a message that it doesn't exist anymore? Begin forwarded message: From: John Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: November 10, 2008 3:45:42 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: John Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Panther upgrade? Is it possible to install a Panther upgrade on a G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower, 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS X 10.2.8, and what are the requirements? The CD's are numbered Version 10.3 2Z691-4633- A and 2Z691-4586-A That ought to work just fine, you're way beyond the standard 10.3 system reqs. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Dan wrote: A responsible programmer would have put appropriate sanity (sic) checks in their code to make sure it DOESN'T LOAD if it's on an unsupported configuration. This is crazy. You're telling me that a software developer should go back and make certain that old releases (in this case FREEWARE) is compatible with newer OS's released later? Come on, give me a break! It's FREEWARE. Read the instructions before installing! Farking a boot ONCE is forgivable. ONCE. But this is how many releases since? I've been using Unsanity Haxies from the beginning and can't remember a single boot issue caused by their products when used as supported. I'm sorry. While it's great for users to read release notes and such... Programmers are responsible for making their code SAFE, period. Yes, but safe for the OS they were designed and supported to work with. In this case, the freeware program Dock Detox is supported for PCC PowerMacs in OS 10.2, 10.3, or 10.4. If you use this as supported, it is SAFE period. If you don't read the compatibility page and install Dock Detox onto an Intel Mac or any 10.5 system, it will evidently fark your boot. So what? It's older, unsupported FREEWARE. It was a relatively simple recovery, and a lesson was learned. I'd rather see the lesson learned than waste an Unsanity programmers time trying to idiot-proof freeware when they could be working on their real software. On the subject of Unsanity's responsibility, when Apple's Installer had bugs and wouldn't fix them, Unsanity did the right thing, they wrote their own installer and to this day, many other software companies use Unsanity's installer in preference to Apple's. Unsanity regularly reports numerous bugs in Apple code, and most goes unrepaired by Apple for long periods. Unsanity also correctly predicted the move to Intel CPUs almost 5 full years before it happened based upon Apple's hindering of OS X's code so that it wasn't optimized for RISC PCC CPUs, but rather always a CISC x86 CPU code base. Unsanity continues to provide useful products that perform as described without issue on OS's they're designed and supported to run on. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Free memory question
On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: I have a system memory question to refresh my personal memory. I have a DA with 1GB (1024MB) ram installed running 10.4.11. After running my system all day (I shut down every night) and not quitting any apps (13 are open), just closing the unused documents, the System Memory portion of Activity Monitor shows: Wired 103.24 MB Active 589.93 MB Inactive 314.41 MB Free 14.64 MB VM size 7.90GB Page ins/ outs 50890/3877 My questions/ comments for verification are: IIRC, the actual free memory is the combined inactive and free. Correct? Yes, turn on the Menu Meters Memory widget that that's what it'll tell you for 'Free Memory' at the top Free+Inactive. So, in theory, I am not choking my system and work habits with only 1 GB of ram. Yeah, that looks mostly normal, Right this moment I've got 27 MB free on my system and it's got 2Gigs, running 8 programs (though one is Fusion running a XP instance) You have a pretty high VM footprint, though. Mine is only 2.2G right now. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Panther upgrade?
I did the exact upgrade yesterday on an eMac. It was running 10.2.8 and the owner wanted to run some HP printer software that required at least 10.3.8. I upgraded the machine with some 10.3.2 install disks, and the updated to 10.3.9 from the Apple website. It took a while, and I forgot to not let the upgrade do the kitchen sink full of foreign language support, but all seems well. On 11/10/08, Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:09 PM, John Callahan wrote: I posted this to the Panther List and got a message that it doesn't exist anymore? Begin forwarded message: From: John Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: November 10, 2008 3:45:42 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: John Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Panther upgrade? Is it possible to install a Panther upgrade on a G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower, 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS X 10.2.8, and what are the requirements? The CD's are numbered Version 10.3 2Z691-4633- A and 2Z691-4586-A That ought to work just fine, you're way beyond the standard 10.3 system reqs. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Video Oddness
I have a G4 iMac which had similar problems, particularly the odd artefact, menu bar not rendered and old screen images still present until you open another window over them. It was worse when it got warmer (summer) but ran almost all winter without a problem. Eventually it got worse and worse until it finally gave in. It was a Vram problem. Hardware diagnostic program on the boot/instal CD (OSX 10.2?) found the problem. Replaced mother board (to which Vram and Video is soldered in the case of the iMac). Has worked perfectly since. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?
My 2¢ worth... Stick with Tiger. I'm sure that Leopard can be made to work but it will be SLOW.. Regards, JT Samantha Goodson wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Doug Burton wrote: I have the same machine and mine is staying with 10.4.11. For one thing, I've heard that Leopard was optimized for Intel machines and I did try to run it on my upgraded DA with a 1.6 Ghz CPU. I didn't like it, ran slow and choppy. But couldn't that have been an artifact of the original DA architecture or the amount of ram you had installed? I have a dual 533MHz DA, and when I first began contemplating moving to Leopard I thought about just upgrading it, but Leopard wants a minimum 867MHz processor to install. There are all sorts of ways around this, but I decided not to tempt fate. I have a dual 867MHZ MDD like Bill's on the way and a retail leopard disk. The MDD has 768MB of RAM in it, but I'm planning on getting it up to the 2GB maximum and possibly upgrading the video card. When I have it all set up, I'll let y'all know how it goes. Peace, Love, and Joy, SaJe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hot iMac
On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:53 AM, g3-5-list group wrote: == 1 of 4 == Date: Sun, Nov 9 2008 6:52 pm From: Anne Keller-Smith Is the new iMac supposed to run so hot? And where do they put the fans in there anyway? They're sure quite though. The aluminum iMac has three fans. There are several sets of take- apart photos on the web including a hot link in the first paragraph that you find here: http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/08/09/mac.os.x.version.system.ch/ Look for Kodawarisn has posted disassembly photos And yes, our 20 inch machine is a lot quieter than the Quicksilver 733 ever was. The fans are very quiet. I do not know whether they are always running or thermostatically controlled. At the moment, the room is at 65 degrees, and the top of iMac at the rear vents is slightly warm to the hand. But working this e-mail does not make the CPU or the RAM work hard. If you feel your machine is running too hot, you should compare notes with folks on the imaclist. For any Mac, there are ways to measure operating temperatures, but I've never paid attention. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?
Hi I love both Tiger and Leopard, but wouldn't recommend Leopard on anything lower than a 1Ghz with 1GB of RAM. Yes it will run ok on lower but for good performance go with the above minimum. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Nov 10 2008, James E. Therrault wrote: My 2¢ worth... Stick with Tiger. I'm sure that Leopard can be made to work but it will be SLOW.. Regards, JT Samantha Goodson wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Doug Burton wrote: I have the same machine and mine is staying with 10.4.11. For one thing, I've heard that Leopard was optimized for Intel machines and I did try to run it on my upgraded DA with a 1.6 Ghz CPU. I didn't like it, ran slow and choppy. But couldn't that have been an artifact of the original DA architecture or the amount of ram you had installed? I have a dual 533MHz DA, and when I first began contemplating moving to Leopard I thought about just upgrading it, but Leopard wants a minimum 867MHz processor to install. There are all sorts of ways around this, but I decided not to tempt fate. I have a dual 867MHZ MDD like Bill's on the way and a retail leopard disk. The MDD has 768MB of RAM in it, but I'm planning on getting it up to the 2GB maximum and possibly upgrading the video card. When I have it all set up, I'll let y'all know how it goes. Peace, Love, and Joy, SaJe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Free memory question
At 4:38 PM -0500 11/10/2008, Len Gerstel wrote: DA with 1GB (1024MB) ram installed running 10.4.11. Wired 103.24 MB OS X's kernel plus i/o buffers. Active 589.93 MB Memory allocated to processes and used recently. Inactive 314.41 MB Memory allocated to processes and not used recently. Free 14.64 MB Unused memory. VM size 7.90GB Page ins/ outs 50890/3877 IIRC, the actual free memory is the combined inactive and free. Correct? Sortof but (see below). Free is available. Inactive is allocated. If a process needs memory, the Memory Manager will first grab from the free pool, and if that isn't enough then it will grab clean pages from the inactive list, and if that isn't enough it will grab dirty pages. Clean == the page was read only, so its contents doesn't have to be hard paged to disk. Dirty == the page was written on, so its contents must be written to the paging/swap file before it can be released. So, in theory, I am not choking my system and work habits with only 1 GB of ram. [and from above] After running my system all day (I shut down every night) and not quitting any apps (13 are open), just closing the unused documents At its face, it looks like you've got several hundred MB of available memory. But ... you idled your system and closed files and windows first! The memory manager is mostly passive but still, you're not looking at the environment that really counts. Watch while it's being stressed instead. Watching the size of the pools is good, but it needs to be done in conjunction with the page out rate - the rate at which that number changes. If both those pools get small *and* the page out rate is high, then you need more RAM. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hot iMac
At 5:02 PM -0500 11/10/08, Al Poulin posted: On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:53 AM, g3-5-list group wrote: == 1 of 4 == Date: Sun, Nov 9 2008 6:52 pm From: Anne Keller-Smith Is the new iMac supposed to run so hot? And where do they put the fans in there anyway? They're sure quite though. If you feel your machine is running too hot, you should compare notes with folks on the imaclist. For any Mac, there are ways to measure operating temperatures, but I've never paid attention. My neighbour's iMac is very quiet and barely warm, running the same applications with a similar load that makes my G5 run load and very hot. We don't live in a particularly dirty or hairy apartments, but I live on a second floor downtown apartment where dust really gathers from traffic and he lives on a higher floor that doesn't get as much traffic dirt. I find that I can literally roll dust off the front of the G5 grill every few weeks, ie the fans are working. The insides are always dust coated so get blown out monthly. Is there any chance the hot iMac either came from a dusty environment or is inhaling dust at your location, and perhaps that's what is causing the heat problem? No idea if you can blow out an iMac from the bottom Steve R -- Reopen NAFTA. Reclaim our sovereignty. http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature8.cfm?REF=333 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hot iMac
On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Steve R wrote: My neighbour's iMac is very quiet and barely warm, running the same applications with a similar load that makes my G5 run load and very hot. And THAT is why Apple could never make a G5 laptop. The Intel Macs run much cooler than the G5 Macs. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
At 3:44 PM -0600 11/10/2008, Kris Tilford wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Dan wrote: A responsible programmer would have put appropriate sanity (sic) checks in their code to make sure it DOESN'T LOAD if it's on an unsupported configuration. This is crazy. You're telling me that a software developer should go back and make certain that old releases (in this case FREEWARE) is compatible with newer OS's released later? WIth something this critical, the design should check - period. That it fails to do so is a MAJOR bug that should have been fixed, and retrofitted into older releases. The buggy versions should then have been withdrawn from distribution. Come on, give me a break! It's FREEWARE. Read the instructions before installing! Sorry, I program - so I don't give programmers a break for fundamental gross bugs such as this, ever. This isn't a simple app that punts. This is a piece of code that takes down a WHOLE OS. Apple gets some fault too. They know of this problem and yet they LET it take down the OS! They could fix that! I'm sorry. While it's great for users to read release notes and such... Programmers are responsible for making their code SAFE, period. Yes, but safe for the OS they were designed and supported to work with. In this case, the freeware program Dock Detox is supported for PCC PowerMacs in OS 10.2, 10.3, or 10.4. And the programmer's arms were broken - he/she/it was unable to check the boundary conditions - less than 10.1 and greater than 10.4? Oh please! This is a fundamental programming failure. If I'd done it in high school, my teacher would have gone into convulsions trying to resist whapping me upside the head! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hot iMac
At 5:23 PM -0500 11/10/2008, Steve R wrote: My neighbour's iMac is very quiet and barely warm, running the same applications with a similar load that makes my G5 run load and very hot. We don't live in a particularly dirty or hairy apartments, hey! My cat Jazzie objecteth to that. You know you have cats when you have to remove all your keycaps once a year, so you can lift off the woven grid of fur that it has accumulated therein. *shudder* - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hot iMac
Dan You know you have cats when one of the fluffy monsters chews through the earphone cable to your iPod whilst you are listening to it. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Nov 10 2008, Dan wrote: At 5:23 PM -0500 11/10/2008, Steve R wrote: My neighbour's iMac is very quiet and barely warm, running the same applications with a similar load that makes my G5 run load and very hot. We don't live in a particularly dirty or hairy apartments, hey! My cat Jazzie objecteth to that. You know you have cats when you have to remove all your keycaps once a year, so you can lift off the woven grid of fur that it has accumulated therein. *shudder* - Dan. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?
On Nov 10, 5:06 pm, Simon Royal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I love both Tiger and Leopard, but wouldn't recommend Leopard on anything lower than a 1Ghz with 1GB of RAM. Yes it will run ok on lower but for good performance go with the above minimum. Simon ---http://www.simonroyal.co.uk- Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... -http://www.nmug.org.uk- webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Nov 10 2008, James E. Therrault wrote: My 2¢ worth... Stick with Tiger. I'm sure that Leopard can be made to work but it will be SLOW.. The comments all depend on the different machines and what people do with them. If Bill will watch Activity Monitor with his Tiger and his routine apps and tasks running, watching CPU and System Memory, and if the graphs for them are not always peaking for long periods of time, then it may be worth trying Leopard, especially if he wants to use the Leopard features that are not shut by his G4's video card. I have Leopard running on my iBook G4/1.33 GHz with 516 MB RAM. Compared to the Intel iMac, it is slow, and seems a bit slower on startup than it was with Tiger, but for what I do, I haven't bothered upgrading the RAM yet. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hot iMac
On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Dan You know you have cats when one of the fluffy monsters chews through the earphone cable to your iPod whilst you are listening to it. Simon Mine loved those big fat SCSI cables. I have several laying around looking like they've been used as pincushions. But yours is simply taking proactive actions to ensure the Proper Worship of the Feline by Their Subject, by removing distractions. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hot iMac
At 10:49 PM + 11/10/2008, Simon Royal wrote: You know you have cats when one of the fluffy monsters chews through the earphone cable to your iPod whilst you are listening to it. Frieda just turned two. She licks and chews on everything! Her fav, currently, is the air tubing on a medical gizmo. Replaced it twice so far. Last month, she was into firewire cables! Can't seem to deter her. She's starting to work on pulling at drawers, to open them. Her fav spot in my room is sitting on my Smurf. If that's not available, then she camps out on an old monitor. Had an x86 iMac here. She was very unhappy with that. No flat spot to pirch on! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hot iMac
Hi I have 8 cats at the moment and if I leave my laptop sitting open, one of them will be sitting on the keyboard area when I get back. Then it is a case of removing them without them digging their claws in and ripping a few keys off in the process. I even have a white cat called Widget (I got here when Tiger first came out). Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Nov 10 2008, Dan wrote: At 10:49 PM + 11/10/2008, Simon Royal wrote: You know you have cats when one of the fluffy monsters chews through the earphone cable to your iPod whilst you are listening to it. Frieda just turned two. She licks and chews on everything! Her fav, currently, is the air tubing on a medical gizmo. Replaced it twice so far. Last month, she was into firewire cables! Can't seem to deter her. She's starting to work on pulling at drawers, to open them. Her fav spot in my room is sitting on my Smurf. If that's not available, then she camps out on an old monitor. Had an x86 iMac here. She was very unhappy with that. No flat spot to pirch on! - Dan. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hot iMac
On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Simon Royal wrote: I even have a white cat called Widget (I got here when Tiger first came out). Wink is sitting on my lap now, she's a really wild one! http://stevetilford.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/dscn8450.jpg She always sleeps near the warm computers. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hot iMac
On Nov 10, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Simon Royal wrote: I even have a white cat called Widget (I got here when Tiger first came out). Wink is sitting on my lap now, she's a really wild one! http://stevetilford.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/dscn8450.jpg Poor kitteh! Or should I say 'Arrr, poor kitteh-pirate.' Hope she's ok... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
DDR 3200 In eMac 1.25Ghz
Hi Am I right in thinking DDR 3200 RAM will work in a machine that takes DDR 2700 as long as both are 184 pin sticks. I've been offered some 1GB sticks of DDR 3200. I know my eMac takes 2x1GB sticks. Is it just like PC133 and PC100 that it will just run at the slower speed? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DDR 3200 In eMac 1.25Ghz
On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi Am I right in thinking DDR 3200 RAM will work in a machine that takes DDR 2700 as long as both are 184 pin sticks. I've been offered some 1GB sticks of DDR 3200. I know my eMac takes 2x1GB sticks. Is it just like PC133 and PC100 that it will just run at the slower speed? Yes. I've only used PC3200 in my Macs that came with PC2700, although on my G4 Mini high-density PC3200 wouldn't work, it needed low- density, so you'd better check if there's a high/low issue first. If the 1 GB is low you'll be OK in all instances, but this is doubtful, in my Mini's case, low-density was twice as expensive as high-density. If the eMac can use high density, you're also OK in all instances, but if the eMac needs low, you MUST have low. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DDR 3200 In eMac 1.25Ghz
On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Am I right in thinking DDR 3200 RAM will work in a machine that takes DDR 2700 as long as both are 184 pin sticks. I've been offered some 1GB sticks of DDR 3200. I know my eMac takes 2x1GB sticks. PC-2700 is getting hard to find. PC-3200 is the most logical replacement. In my former (since sold) Mac Mini G4, 1 GB PC-2700 was unavailable, so I substituted PC-3200. Is it just like PC133 and PC100 that it will just run at the slower speed? Yes, precisely so. You cannot swap DDR2 for DDR. PC-2700 and PC-3200 are both DDR (AKA, DDR1) PC-5300 (AKA, PC2-5300) and PC-6400 (AKA, PC2-6400) are both DDR2. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DDR 3200 In eMac 1.25Ghz
Peter You forgot PC1066 which is DDR3. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Nov 10 2008, PeterH wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Am I right in thinking DDR 3200 RAM will work in a machine that takes DDR 2700 as long as both are 184 pin sticks. I've been offered some 1GB sticks of DDR 3200. I know my eMac takes 2x1GB sticks. PC-2700 is getting hard to find. PC-3200 is the most logical replacement. In my former (since sold) Mac Mini G4, 1 GB PC-2700 was unavailable, so I substituted PC-3200. Is it just like PC133 and PC100 that it will just run at the slower speed? Yes, precisely so. You cannot swap DDR2 for DDR. PC-2700 and PC-3200 are both DDR (AKA, DDR1) PC-5300 (AKA, PC2-5300) and PC-6400 (AKA, PC2-6400) are both DDR2. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Fwd: Panther upgrade?
On Nov 10, 4:09 pm, John Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted this to the Panther List and got a message that it doesn't exist anymore? Begin forwarded message: Is it possible to install a Panther upgrade on a G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower, 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS X 10.2.8, and what are the requirements? Panther and Tiger both work nicely on that machine. The CD's are numbered Version 10.3 2Z691-4633-A and 2Z691-4586-A The second number matches Disk 2 of my black retail set. My disk 1 is 2Z691-4585-A. Did your disks come out of the same box? If not, you may have parts of two different sets, leaving a question in my mind whether they will work together. Just try it. With your old machine, I'd recommend you chose the Erase and Install option in Disk Utility of the installer. That is, wipe out all the old after backing up your essential data. That will help with any budding problems on the hard drive disk by patching over them. Short of that approach, it is best to do an Archive and Install. Choosing the quicker Upgrade option can bring you trouble. It simply mixes the new code with the old, and it does not always succeed in bringing out a good, clean running OS. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Imac and eMac
I've kind of been gently letting all these posts go, but it's getting a bit ridiculous. The G-List has been overwhelmed with iMac and eMac postings. Posts regarding iMac and eMac machines should be voiced here: http://www.lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml We *do* have a once removed rule where a nanny will allow a post once in a great while that is one series away from the list it is posted on, but this does not allow for continual conversation. Thanks. Kyle Hansen -- LEM list nanny --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DDR 3200 In eMac 1.25Ghz
On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:59 PM, Simon Royal wrote: You forgot PC1066 which is DDR3. No, I just didn't mention it as I have no machines which can run DDR3. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?
My Quicksilver 867 has a Radeon 9700 that System Profiler recognizes as a 9800 Pro, and it runs Classic 9.2 perfectly. By the way, what's this Deinterlacing thing? On Nov 10, 9:15 am, insightinmind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:23 AM, Digital Bill wrote: DVD Player also had Deinterlacing set as default, and I thought my nVidia Geforce 4MX wasn't fast enough for DVD Player ... software core image was being used ... but the Deinterlacing was the culprit that ate up my Dual 1GHz. I had already moved to the ATI Radeon 9800Pro by the time I discovered the Deinterlacing thing ... Oh ... dual boot sort of goes out the window with the ATI Radeon 9800Pro ... unless I missed something? Any comments here? 9800Pro isn't supported under OS 9.2? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
