Re: Digest for g3-5-list@googlegroups.com - 4 updates in 1 topic
Disk Warrior. Yes I have heard of it. What is the best version (most trustworthy) of Disk Warrior? What types of operational needs are most common to use with DW? Is the legacy version still available through the vendor or other channel? Click On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 3:56 AM, g3-5-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Today's topic summary Group: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/topics - My G4 iMac crashed after using Optimrize#14609d389fec23d3_group_thread_0[4 Updates] My G4 iMac crashed after using Optimrizehttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/t/6926445a6068f6cc Mullin9 ddavidmul...@inbox.com May 16 07:26PM -0700 Optimize is on www.Optimize.com but that website might have been flagged/complained and closed Optimize is a web-based HDD Optimizer, based on flash. you click on optimize and it'll do the rest, on the disk it's booted on Mullin9 ddavidmul...@inbox.com May 16 07:34PM -0700 Mullin9 ddavidmul...@inbox.com May 16 07:37PM -0700 Mullin9 ddavidmul...@inbox.com May 16 07:38PM -0700 Disk Warrior is a good option -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: G5 thinks there are still two monitors attached, after removing one.
Thanks for the suggestion Bruce. Yes, I tried the power bricks from two other 23-inch monitors on the dead one, hoping to wake it up, but they failed to bring it to life. The little on light remains dark, along with the screen. This is such as (cosmetically) beautiful monitor that I hate to chuck it, but I don't know anything about popped caps. Guess I'll hang onto it a while, in the hope that somebody can help me with it, or I can learn how to do it myself. To show you how old I am, the only caps I ever popped before this were in a toy pistol I had when I played Cowboys and Indians as a kid (I guess that's politically incorrect now). -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
G5 thinks there are still two monitors attached, after removing one.
I have a G5 running 10.5.8 with two 23 cinema displays attached. Or I did. Yesterday one of the two displays just suddenly went dark, like blowing out a candle. Nothing I could do would bring it back, so I have to assume it's dead and gone. (If anyone has any thoughts about why this happened, I'd love to hear them, but that's not the problem I'm having right now.) I disconnected the dead monitor and all its cables from the Mac. There is now only one monitor attached to the Mac. However, the Mac still thinks there are two monitors attached to it. In the System Prefs panel for Displays, under the Arrange tab, it still shows a small (imaginary) monitor beside the large (real) one. It lets me arrange this little imaginary monitor anywhere I want to around the big one, but the little monitor doesn't really exist. Yet the Mac acts like it does. When I open some windows, they go off the visible screen and open somewhere on the invisible one, on the non-existent monitor, and I can't get at them. I've tried everything I know to get rid of this second, invisible monitor: I repaired the permissions with Disk Utility, threw away the System prefs, logged in as a different account, did a Safe Boot, and even ran Disk Warrior through the disk. I tried attaching the monitor's connector to the other of the two video ports. Nothing makes any difference. Every time I go to the Monitors panel, it still shows a small, nonexistent monitor next to the real one, and windows still keep opening offscreen, on what the Mac thinks is another monitor. Any ideas how I can convince this Mac that it only has one monitor attached to it? Tom -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 thinks there are still two monitors attached, after removing one.
I don't know what a capacitor looks like, Kris. But I'll do a little research and try to learn. Maybe it can be replaced. Thanks for the tip. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 thinks there are still two monitors attached, after removing one.
Thanks for the help everybody, on both how to make the Mac forget the imaginary monitor and how to troubleshoot the real but dead one. I zapped the PRAM, and it fixed the problem. Now the Mac knows it only has one monitor connected to it. Alex first sent me the suggestion to zap the PRAM, and I had actually thought about doing that earlier, but had forgotten what keys to hold on restart. I got out David Pogue's big thick book called Mac OS-X Leopard, The Missing Manual, but it says not a single word about the PRAM. I tried to look up PRAM in the book's index, but it's not there--not under P, not under R for Resetting the Pram, nor Z for Zapping the PRAM, nor is it mentioned anywhere in the book's extensive Troubleshooting section--in fact, I can't find a single mention of PRAM anywhere in this huge (894 page) book, supposedly written by a Mac expert. How do you figure that? So anyway, I went online and looked up how to do it, zapped the PRAM, and now all is well. Now to try to figure out what happened to the monitor that went kablooey. Thanks again all. Tom -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Max RAM for a G5?
I have a G5 Dual Core (2.0) (Late 2005, M9590LL/A, PowerMac 11,2) that has eight memory slots. EveryMac says that this G-5 is maxed out at 16 GB of memory. Mine has 8 GB right now (1 GB chip in each slot). Does that mean that if you put more than 16 GB in the memory slots, it will only recognize or use 16? I heard that you can sometimes put more memory in some G5s than Apple claimed was the limit. Is this G5 one of those? Say I were to put 4 GB chips in four of the slots, I'd get 16 GB of RAM from those, and there would still be four slots with 1 GB in them. Would this Mac then recognize 20 GB of RAM, or only 16? For that matter, what if I filled every one of those eight slots with 4 GB chips--would the Mac then recognize and use 32 GB? I'm doing Final Cut video editing with this Mac, and the render times are awfully slow. I sit for long periods just waiting for the render bars to fill up, and nothing can be done until they do--the program is frozen. I could sure get a lot more done if i could speed up that rendering, and some people tell me that maxing out the RAM helps a lot. Any advice appreciated. Tom -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Max RAM for a G5?
Here is the link to the OWC webpage that sells 4 GB RAM chips for my G5: http://tinyurl.com/bnqxdyt The price ranges from $61 to $73 per chip.( I don't know why some RAM chips cost more than others--can someone enlighten me?) 1 and 2 GB chips are also offered there. At $61 per chip, I could put 16 GB of RAM into this G5 for $244 + shipping. If I left the 1 GB chips in the remaining four slots, would the Mac recognize and use 20 MB? Tom -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Max RAM for a G5?
Ah, 2 X 2 chips = 4 GB. Should have looked closer. Thanks Kris and Peter. So 16 GB of RAM maxes out this G5. Still, that would double what I have, and if i were sure that the rendering times for Final Cut 5 would be significantly reduces, I'd go for it. I just got a Mac Pro and Adobe CS6, but I have some long-term video projects going on the G5 with Final Cut 5, so I will be on the G5 for the foreseeable future. After years of experience, I know how to do exactly what I want to do in FCP 5 and do it quickly. The only thing slowing me down is those agonizingly slow render times. They stop me dead every few minutes. The Adobe CS6 software I just bought for the Mac Pro includes their video editing program, Premiere Pro, but Premiere has a learning curve that I'm just now getting into. Plus, it seems to lack a lot of the features I'm used to in Final Cut, for example the number of video transitions it offers is pitiful. Final Cut, for example, has fourteen slide transitions to Premiere's one, and that's typical. And there doesn't seem to be any equivalent of Final Cut's Soundtrack, LiveType, etc. Adobe has After Effects but I'm not sure what it can do, yet. My new Mac Pro, Intel-based, cannot run my Final Cut 5 program in OS 10.8. In fact it can't run any version of Final Cut Pro, even Final Cut 7. Apple abandoned its longtime professional video editor bas when it dumped Final Cut 7 in favor of an entirely new and different program they call Final Cut Pro X. Nothing but the name is similar. All the helper programs for Final Cut that I'm used to--Soundtrack, LiveType, Motion, etc. are gone. As I see it, Apple dumped the pro editing community in favor of the far larger market of teenage boys wanting to make skateboard and snowboard videos for their friends with mobile devices. Apple goes where the money is, customer loyalty be damned. They did the same thing with iMovie sometime back. So until I learn a new editing program (NOT FCP-X, which is not track-based) I'll continue to do video editing on what I know, FCP 5 on my G5. It was while sitting through one of those long renders, with FCP 5 frozen in the meanwhile, that I began wishing for a way to speed things up. Doubling the RAM in this G5 might, or it might not. I'm still considering maxing out the RAM. Thanks all for the help. Tom -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: MDD G4 Leopard native OS 9 boot
Yes, that is the point. They are not supposed to and don't as a standard, but if you look at the thread, it has evidently been done with a fairly simple workaround. That goes to the nature of my query. On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Alex Sciortino zeosr...@gmail.com wrote: IIRC MDDs don't support OS9. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Music stream capture app?
I'd like to thank everybody for the suggestions. I subscribed to the e-mail for replies, instead of the digest, and I was trying to thank individual responders from there, but found out that you can't reply to individuals that way, only to the list. So my replies to individuals bounced back. But I do thank everyone for the suggestions. Someone first suggested Audacity, which is free, so I downloaded it and am now giving it a try (I found out that you also have to download Soundflower to work with it, or it won't work.) Audacity seems like a good program, although I don't understand all its controls yet. You just let it capture the audio stream for as long as you want, then stop it, and then export the captured audio to a folder in any format you choose (I picked AIFF because Final Cut likes AIFF, and I sometimes use music in my videos). Most of the Audacity controls appear to be for editing the audio. But I have an old copy of Sound Studio that I can use for that, and I'm comfortable with Sound Studio from long use. Anything I export from Audacity can be imported into Sound Studio for any necessary editing (such as separating out the various pieces of music in the captured stream, etc). I see a lot of votes for Hijack Pro, so I'll go check that out too, at least if they have a free version (I'm not averse to paying for a good program, but if Audacity is a typical free one, then these freebies appear to be pretty capable). If anyone has tried Audacity and can compare it to other apps, that would be useful to me also. Again, thanks much for the help.This is a great group! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Music stream capture app?
On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 9:11:54 PM UTC-6, JohnV wrote: My only take on AUDACITY is that, while it seems (both on looking and its reputation) to be very functional, I found it completely at odds with my idea of something even remotely intuitive or ergonomically sensible. I couldn;t mange to get ANYTHING done easily, or instinctively. Yeah, I agree with you John. Audacity has one window, and on that window (among many other things) is a Record button (round), and a Stop button (square), and I managed to figure that out, by trial and error, mostly error. When I hit Record, the waveform of the captured music appears in the window, and when it hit Stop, it stops recording. Then I go to the File menu and export the captured audio into a folder, and that's that. What all the rest of that stuff is all around the window---all those other icons and controls, I don't know. And why you can scroll upward through many other capture windows, I don't know either. Another thing I found: if you hit Stop, and the capture stops, and then you hit Record again, it starts recording back at the beginning again, recording right over what you've already got, so you don't want to do that. (Maybe I should choose a second capture window?) Other than that, you do have to launch Soundflowerbed before Audacity, and then in the Sound prefs panel, choose Soundflowerbed as both the Input and the Output, or else Audacity won't do anything. And that is the sum total of my knowledge of Audacity, and yet I've managed to capture some nice music with it today. So, it works. And it's free. But I'm open to trying other apps, and probably will, based on what other people are recommending here. All the best, Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Music stream capture app?
Our local classical music station now streams music over the web. Is there any way I can capture this pretty music to disk, to listen to later? (I have a G5 running 10.5.8.) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anyone Else Buy Powerlogix 1.0Ghz G3 From Alan Cottrill?
A guy on Ebay pulled a scam like this on me---claimed several times to have shipped me a Mac, after all kinds of excuses for delay, the hospital one, bad weather, finally even provided a fake tracking number. But with Ebay and PayPal you can file a complaint, which I did. PayPal looked into the matter and gave me a full refund and banned the scammer from Ebay. Which is why I won't buy anything that costs more than a few dollars from any swaplist. There's no supervision and no recourse if scammed. However, if you paid this guy through PayPal, then see if they'll investigate. Otherwise you may be screwed. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can a G5 Mac import video from modern flash-based camcorders?
Thanks loads guys. In running around the web reading about VoltaicHD, I kept seeing references to another program called ClipWrap, and many people seem a lot happier with ClipWrap, so I read some reviews about that program too. VoltaicHD costs $40, and ClipWrap costs $50, so maybe you get what you pay for. Buying either program would be a dang sight cheaper than buying an Intel Mac and Final Cut Pro 6, just to be able to use video from a AVCHD camera. I downloaded trial versions of both VoltaicHD (Version 3.0.0) and ClipWrap (2.5.1), but I can't tell much about them just by looking at their conversion windows. Not having an ACVHD camera (yet), I have nothing to convert. However, there are some demos on YouTube that make both programs look good. ClipWrap appears to be a lot faster in the conversions. As to the resolutions of the video, so far I've been able to do everything I want with standard definition. I've never worked with high definition video, and I fear HD files would fill up my hard drives too fast anyway, not to mention probably slowing Final Cut down with intolerable rendering and exporting times on a G5. I'll have to check to see whether Final Cut 5 can even handle HD. If it can't, that's OK with me right now. I just want to get the more modern optics and greater reliability of a tapeless video camera, although I'm sure the future of video is HD, and it would be nice to have a camera that can do that if I ever want to. One thing I found, or didn't find, was any basic instructions about how to get video from an AVCHD videocam into the Mac. So I'll ask here: when you hook an AVCHD camcorder to a G5 running 10.5.8 (with either a USB or firewire cable, or maybe a card reader?), does it just create a folder on the desktop full of .mt files, the same way a card reader for a digital still camera just pops a folder full of .jpegs on the desktop? If so, then I assume you just drop those files into the window of either VoltaicHD or ClipWrap, and let it convert the .mts into .movs or whatever best works in Final Cut. Is that correct? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Can a G5 Mac import video from modern flash-based camcorders?
I'm running OX 10.5.8 on a dual 2 GHz G5 (2005). I have Final Cut 5 on this Mac, and I record video with a mini-DV videocam (2006 Canon Elura), feed it from the camera into FCP for editing (through a firewire cable), and then burn the videos onto DVDs with iDVD. This setup works great. Now I need to replace my aging video camera, which uses mini-DV tapes. These mini-DV camcorders are all but extinct now--all the current videocams record to flash or hard drives, not tape. Tape is dead, except on the used market. I'd like to get one of these newer flash-based camcorders, because they have practically no moving parts to malfunction (and it's always the tape drives that break down in the mini-DV camcorders), and they have newer, better optics, but I believe it takes an Intel Mac running FCP 6 or better to directly import video from a flash videocam into Final Cut. But I don't want to give up my trusty old G5, nor buy a newer Intel Mac, plus a newer version of Final Cut. My question is: does anyone know whether there is a way to import flash video from a camcorder into a G5, and then somehow convert it into a form that Final Cut 5 will accept? I think the flash videocams use some compressed video format called .mt. Is there perhaps some standalone app I could use to import and convert .mt video into an Apple codec or something that could then be dropped into Final Cut? Something my old G5 could run? Anybody got any suggestions how I might be able to use a newer flash- based camcorder with this old Mac/Final Cut setup of mine? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Home movies won't import
If you can open that movie in QuickTime, export it as a QT movie or a DV stream, which will then import into Final Cut for editing. There are some video formats that Final Cut just doesn't like, but it always takes a QT movie or DV. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Crashes and keyboard freeze on MMD
I bought a MDD 1.25 single processor machine to replace the a QS 867. I swapped the 160Gb HDD from the QS for the 80Gb drive in the MDD, added 1.5Gb of used RAM. I have had the OS crash, Safari crash, Skype loose port settings. When I initially installed the RAM system profiler only showed 2 of the 3 sticks I had installed. I pulled one only to discover it was the wrong one. I then pulled the problem one, swapped it to the open slot and put the one I had removed in the problem ones slot. After that all sticks showed up on system profiler. Next I removed the RAM stick from the slot that initially didn't show up. Safari still crashed. Then I removed the RAM stick that was in the offending slot originally, Safari Crashed while simply sitting there open. I then removed the last stick of new(used) RAM and tried again, similar results. So next I shut it down, removed the USB PCI card, restarted and opened Safari. The yahoo home page shows news items and moves from one to the next. I moved the cursor to one that it had already passed to read the description. when I went to move on I found that everything was frozen no mouse or keyboard input at all. I disconnected the USB hub and plugged the mouse directly to the computer, no change. The keyboard was already direct to the computer. I unplugged an reinserted both items with no results then gave up and held the power button till it shut down. What the heck is going on with this thing? I have just pulled and re-seated the original RAM stick, restarted and open Safari. played with safari for a few minutes and blink its gone. The begining of the crash report: Safari 4.1.3 builg version 1, PID 194, Thread: 0, Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0X0001), Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0X0001) at 0xb350 Which I don't have enough knowledge to understand Any suggestions? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
News: half a million Macs now infected with malware?
According to this news story on the Drudge website http://tinyurl.com/ 6wgysep, half a million Apple computers are infected with malware, a trojan disguised as a flash update, that allows other people to hijack the computer. They don't say what OS is involved, or whether every Mac OS is at risk. Does anybody have any details, or is this just another exaggerated non-story? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Our LAN can see a Macbook but can't connect to it
We have four Macs in our house, all running 10.5.8. There are two G5s, one G4, and a Macbook Pro. All the computers are connected to the Internet by a Zhone modem that has a transmitter inside it that allows us to have a LAN. This modem is connected to one of the G5s with an ethernet cable, and the other G5 and the G4 have 802.11n/g/b wireless stick adapters with antennas plugged into their USB ports, so that our computers can not only get on the Internet but they can share files with each other. All the computers have the same things checked in the Sharing pref panel. Both G5s and the G4 have no trouble sharing files on the LAN. But the Macbook can't. The Macbook apparently has an Airport card in it, because the other computers can see it on the network, but they can't connect with it. When they try to, the connection just hangs. And the Macbook itself doesn't see any of the other computers. We tried plugging one of the wireless USB adapters into the Macbook, but nothing changed. The Macbook still couldn't see any other computer, even though the other computers could see the Macbook, but could not make any connection with it. This Macbook is the only Intel Mac we have. Could that have something to do with the problem? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Our LAN can see a Macbook but can't connect to it
Thanks for the suggestions, Bruce. We tried them with no change in the situation, if we in fact did what you meant (we're not too techie around here). Here's what we did. First we went to the Macbook's Airport prefs and disabled the IPV6, whatever that is. It made no difference. The other Macs could still see the Macbook but couldn't connect to it, and the Macbook still couldn't see any other Mac. Then we restarted the Macbook, to see if it made any difference after starting up with IPV6 disabled, but it did not. In either case, with or without IPV6, the Macbook could still get on the Internet wirelessly--it just couldn't see the other computers. Then we disconnected the Ethernet cable that runs from the modem to one of the G5s, and plugged it into the Macbook instead. (This also took that G5 offline, so that there was only the other G5 and the G4 on the LAN, just in case having four computers in the network was one too many for some carrier-imposed reason, as you suggested.) The results were the same. The other two Macs could still get on the Internet, could still see and connect to each other, and could still see the Macbook but not connect to it (Connection failed). The Macbook could also still get on the Internet, while not detecting the other two Macs. We tried turning off Airport in the Prefs, leaving only the Ethernet connection to the modem, but nothing changed that way either. All same. Then, with the Ethernet cable still connected to the Macbook, we restarted the Macbook in Safe Mode. While in Safe Mode everything remained the same: all three Macs can get on the Internet, the G5 and the G4 can see and connect to each other, and they can see the Macbook without being able to connect to it. The Macbook, on the other hand, sees no other computer, but it can get on the Internet. In short, we're right back where we started, no matter what we do. Is there anything else we might try, or should we just be resigned to the fact that one of our four Macs just doesn't want to play with the other three? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Our LAN can see a Macbook but can't connect to it
But Kris, isn't that only an update for Snow Leopard? All our Leopards are the tropical kind. And all our old software runs great that way. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Getting really sick of access privileges
I thought that when I got my two home computers wirelessly networked I'd really be able to move files back and forth between them (G4 and G5 Powermacs both running 10.5.8). No more running back and forth with a flash drive to transfer files. Well, I can move files back and forth between computers wirelessly now, but that's about all I can do with them. I've run into Privileges Hell. Every time I go to open a file that's been moved between computers, I get all tangled up in access privileges. For example, I just pulled a TIFF image from Computer A to Computer B. I open it on Computer B, make some adjustments to color, and then try to Save, and up pops a box that says I can't Save because I don't have the necessary access privileges. So I go to the Get Info box for the file and make sure that I and anybody else DO have read/write privileges--I have the Read/Write privileges, Admin has Read/Write privileges, Anybody has them. EVERYBODY on that list in the Get Info box has read/write privileges. Close the Info box, open the TIFF file again, make changes, try to Save---and up pops the same blasted warning again: Could not save the file because you do not have the necessary access privileges. So I try to Save As with a different name-- with the same result--can't Save because I don't have the access privileges. I tell you, I'm getting really sick of privileges and not having them, and not being able to get them either. What am I doing wrong? Is there a way around this privileges hell that Apple builds into OSX? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mouseball comes to life, keyboard dies
Just thought this was worth an update. Today, ten days after this keyboard died under a big splash of water, and refused to work for days afterward, I discovered that it has come back to life. I plugged it into the Mac for a last check before I junked it, and to my surprise found that it works as good as new. I was going to throw the keyboard away after it got soaked by a spilled glass of water and refused to work (typing on it produced nothing when it was connected to the Mac), but Bruce above advised hanging onto it for a while, in case it was still slowly drying out. Well, I guess it was. When I set it aside I found one of those little moisture-absorbing bags in a drawer, that probably came with a packaged hard drive or something, and I tossed this bag on top of the keyboard in case it might do any good. I don't have any idea whether that little bag had anything to do with the revival--the keyboard is so long and the bag so small that I really doubt it, but who knows? Anyway, the lesson is: if your keyboard dies from getting wet, don't give up on it. It might take ten days for it to dry out enough to come back to life, but it certainly can! Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mouseball comes to life, keyboard dies
Thanks for the help, everybody. As per your advice I'll keep the dead keyboard a while, hoping it dries out eventually, and test it from time to time. I bought a new one for $50, but it never hurts to have a spare. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Can old enclosures handle big new hard drives?
I'm thinking of buying some 2 or even 3 TB hard drives (video eats lots of space) and putting them in some old enclosures that I have lying around. These enclosures are OWC Mercury Elites whose original hard drives, which were in the 250 - 320 GB range, have died over the years. I'd guess these enclosures are 4 or 5 years old. My question is, could an enclosure that originally held a 250 GB drive handle a 2 or 3 TB? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Mouseball comes to life, keyboard dies
I think I just discovered something. I have a wired Apple mouse with one of those little trackballs on the top, the kind that eventually gets sticky and don't work. Well, the trackball on mine was typical: it didn't work. Sometimes I could get pages to scroll down, but not up. I did the usual things to try to fix it: dripped alcohol and other cleaning fluids on the ball and turned the mouse upside down and worked the ball around and around until dirty liquid seeped out and then the ball sort of worked again, only to fail all over again after a little while. I just gave up on it. Well, my wife brought home one of those Magic Eraser things from Home Depot. Sort of a small white sponge that you add a little water to and then wipe dirt off things with. She gave it to me because I was complaining about how dirty and grubby my keyboard was getting. Well, this Magic Eraser really did clean up my keyboard. A couple of swipes across each key and it was gleaming white just like new. (This is starting to sound like a commercial, but it's not). Anyway, there was the old mouse sitting there too so I wiped it down as well, and in the process rolled the trackball around with the sponge some, and then forgot about it. The next time I used the mouse, the track ball worked much better, though it was still a little sticky when scrolling up. I didn't pay much attention to it. But whatever is in that Magic Eraser thing wasn't done working, I guess, because now, a few days later, the trackball works perfectly, left, right, up, and down. I wonder what's in that eraser thing? On the downside, I had a glass of water sitting next to my keyboard (the very thin aluminum kind), and I bumped it over on the keyboard. The water went all over the keys. Instantly I turned the board over and set it on a towel, and tapped on it, hoping to drain out all the water. Then I fired up a hair dryer and held the keyboard upside down and dried the heck out of it. All to no avail. The keyboard is dead. Tapping on keys gets no response whatever on the screen. I can't figure out how to Magic Erase the inside of a keyboard, assuming it would work. Does anyone know a way this dead keyboard might be resuscitated? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mysterious communications between two G5s
Thanks to everybody; you're teaching me a lot about networking. It appears that I've had a LAN for a couple of years now without knowing about it. I thought this was just a fancy DSL modem that could wirelessly allow another computer in the house to surf the Net. I got out my Mac OS-X Leopard Missing Manual by David Pogue to see what he says about wireless networking, and the book told me how to turn on file sharing, and lo and behold, these two Macs can see each other's files. And the Mac in the next room can print on the printer attached to the first one. Wish I'd known that a long time ago, because countless times we've brought documents over on a flash drive from the second computer to the first one in order to print them, when all we had to do (had we known) was turn on printer sharing and print the docs directly. Sheesh. Ignorance is bliss, and stupid too. If the second computer hadn't thrown up a message saying that it wouldn't run Final Cut because the first computer was already running it, I never would have known that they were networked. (About that, by the way, I bought this early version of Final Cut Studio off Ebay a few years ago, and I figure I should be able to run it on any Mac I have in my own home. Guess Apple has other ideas. Anyway, the point is moot: Apple just discontinued Final Cut Studio, so it's obsolete now). Now I'm wondering about security for this LAN. We live out in the country, and the nearest neighbor's house is hundreds of feet away, so I doubt anyone is eavesdropping on our network. But if there are firewalls and passwords, I'll attend to them, once I learn how (back to Pogue). Bruce, I don't understand how I might 'open the modem with a browser' to learn more about it. If you explain that I'll give it a try. I'm running both Safari and Firefox, but I don't see anything in their menus related to modems. Thanks again everybody. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mysterious communications between two G5s
Thanks Clark. I followed your suggestion and looked this modem up on the Web, and here's the blurb about it: The Zoom X6v integrates a full-rate ADSL 2/2+ modem, router, 802.11 wireless access point, VoIP telephone adapter, firewall, and four-port 10/100 Ethernet switch into a single cost-effective product. The integration of networking devices, along with Zoom's FastLane Quality of Service and Installation Wizard simplify setup, maximize dependability, and provide superior voice communications and video delivery over the Internet. All that's just gibberish to me. Does it sound to you like this modem supports a LAN? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Mysterious communications between two G5s
We have two G5s in the house, both running 10.5.8. One of them is connected to the Internet by a DSL modem (I guess you call it), an ADSL X6 made by Zoom. The telephone line runs into the modem, and the modem is connected by a wire that runs into the top port on the back of the G5 (is that an Ethernet port?). This modem has a little antenna on it that transmits the Internet connection to the second G5 in the next room, which picks up the wireless signal through a little unit with an antenna that plugs into one of its USB ports. That's all fine. But I installed Final Cut Pro 5 on both of these machines (the same serial number), and the odd thing is that if the first Mac is running FCP when the second one also tries to launch it, a message comes up on the second one that says Another Mac is already running this program, so this copy will not launch, or something to that effect. What I don't get is, how in the heck does the second G5 in the other room have any idea what apps are running on the first Mac? I thought the modem was only transmitting the Internet connection, not information on what applications the Mac it's connected to is running. How does that second G5 know what apps are running on the first one? Can anyone enlighten me on what's going on here? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mysterious communications between two G5s
Hey now, wait a minute. You mean this modem is also capable of running a LAN? I thought a modem only connected to the Internet. I had no idea it might be able to allow file sharing between computers as well. I thought setting up a LAN required an Airport base station transmitting to Airport cards in the Macs and things like that, and I don't have any base station or Airport cards. How can I test this modem set-up to see if I really have a LAN here? (By the way, thanks to everyone who's helping me understand this. I really appreciate it. Obviously I don't know much about things like this). Tom The router in the modem is not just connecting you to the Internet, it is also forming a LAN (Local Area Network). This allows computers to communicate. It's not that one computer can see what is running on another computer, it's that the first computer with FCP running is announcing itself on the network (being a server) and the FCP on the second computer is querying the service on the first computer and sees it is running FCP with the same serial number. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
For the person above who said that a power surge fried your boards and drives, if you live in your own house, you might consider an all-house surge suppressor. These install on the electrical service panel where the power enters your house. I had an electrician come over a few weeks ago to wire my new garage, and I was complaining to him about spikes and surges, and he told me about these things, so I had him install one on the service entrance to my house. The cost was $150, which is well worth it considering all the expensive electronic stuff in the house that it protects. It also stops lightning strikes, taking them straight to ground. It's just a little square gadget that looks sort of like an oversize power brick, that goes between the incoming power wire to the house and the circuit-breaker panel. Once it's installed, all power surges and lightning strikes are stopped right there, before they enter the house. On top of that, I have an Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS) on each of the three computers in the house, so if power goes off completely, the batteries in these UPSs keep things going until you can do a proper shutdown (they beep to warn you when the battery power is in use). It all sounds expensive, but it's only a few hundred bucks all told, and against that, just tote up the cost of replacing your fried electronics, or worse, all your priceless irreplaceable data. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Any fix for Safari slow-downs?
Thanks Andreas. And Bruce, you should really should write a book explaining Macs to non-techies like me. You have a way of making it all understandable. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Any fix for Safari slow-downs?
Thanks for the help, guys! I've never used the System Monitor to see what's going on, Andreas, so I'll have to figure out how to do that next time the slowdown happens. I'm not much of a power user. I wonder if that's the thing called Activity Monitor in the Utilities folder? I tried it, and it's an interesting display, showing real memory, virtual memory, etc. I'll put it on the dock, and launch it next time I have a Safari slowdown to see if I can get a clue as to the cause. Just watching it as I go from website to website, it seems to vary between 60 and 90 MB of Real Memory. Good to know that quitting and restarting Safari will fix things, though, at least temporarily. I'll try that too, the next time the trouble occurs. Yes, this Mac is online all day, and it seems to be a progressive slowdown as the day goes on. I don't know what a memory leak is, but I'm not keen on the idea of leaking anything. Sounds like this kind of leak is not something easily plugged. I went and got Click to Flash and installed it in Safari. So far, so good, no slowdowns since I installed it, and it's interesting to see Flash items being blocked by flat gray icons. Thanks for telling me about that, Bruce. I'd never heard of it before. Best, Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Any fix for Safari slow-downs?
This is a G5 with 8GB of RAM running 10.5.8 and Safari 5.0.4. Why does Safari slow down more and more as you use it during the day? It works all right for a while, then when you want to scroll down a page or something, it throws up the spinning beachball, and there's a long delay before it does anything. And from that point the delays get longer and longer until the browser is so slow it's unusable. Emptying the cache makes no difference. Is there any way to fix this sluggishness when it happens? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Any way to convert WMV to .Mov?
Some of the movies I download off the net are in WMV format, and QuickTime Player won't play them (I have QT 7.6.9 pro). Doing a web search, I find third-party utilities that will do this conversion, priced from $25 to $50, but hasn't anyone created a shareware app that can do it? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari screw-up
Thanks to all who offered help with this. I seem to have things fixed now. What I did was drop back and punt; I got out the Leopard disk and did an Archive and Install, and after that I did the 10.5.8 combo update. At that point everything ran fine. I tested my new Safari and it worked great. My old Safari (original) icon was still sitting there in the Applications folder, right beside a new Safari app (or whatever it is's) icon, so I trashed the old one and flushed it away. The freshly installed Safari ran with no problems, and I was able to make aliases of it like normal too. Then it occurred to me to check what version of Safari was running, since I hadn't yet done any further Software Updates, and it turned out to be Safari 3.2.1. So here I had a freshly minted 10.5.8 happily running Safari 3---the same way it was running v.4 yesterday (my complaint was not how it ran, but the fact that I couldn't update it, rename it, or make any aliases of it). All of which makes me wonder whether Leopard 10.5.8 really cares which version of Safari it runs, since version 3, 4, or 5, all seem to run fine with it. Or are the earlier versions a lit fuse and a ticking time bomb? However, being the daring, devil-may-care sort of fellow I am, the next thing I did was to run Software Update and bring Safari up to v. 5, just because, as Bill Clinton says, I could. I say daring because, having run Macs since 1986, I know from sad experience that updating things when they're working fine, just because you can, is often a fool's errand and a mug's game. Many's the time I've updated something only to have the update break things and initiate a long, slow, and frustrating process of troubleshooting trying to get everything back in working order again--printers stop printing, scanners stop scanning, mail ceases to flow, plug-ins unplug, aliases disconnect, the parrot bites my finger, and sometimes I never do get everything running as well as it did before. In fact, whenever my wife sees me sitting in front of the computer ripping out tufts of my hair, punching holes in the wall, and heaping ashes on my head, she'll say, You've gone and updated something again, haven't you? As far as computers are concerned, my motto is the old Disney song Leave Well Enough Alone. But maybe I got away with it this time. Time will tell. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari screw-up
Thanks, but I don't think you can download Safari 4 from Apple anymore, can you? The new version is 5. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari screw-up
Thanks for the help, Dan! It's 10.5.8 with all updates applied, and the misbehavior by Safari I alluded to (i.e. whenever I tried version 5) was simply a failure to launch-- blank window appears with the URL bar half filled, and there she stops, requiring a Quit. I always thought of Safari as an application, like Firefox, but it sounds like it's interwoven into the OS like one of those inoperable cancers with tentacles that reach throughout the organ. In that case, drastic surgery may well be in order, as you suggest: killing the patient (trashing all Safari-related items) and then trying to bring him back to life with an OS update or reinstall (sorry, it's just that image of a tumor . . .). The older version, Safari 4, is actually behaving all right, launches and runs fine, but not being able to rename it nor make any aliases for it just seems like a warning that something is rotten in Denmark. I had hoped there might be a quick and simple way to fix those things, if I only knew how, but I guess it was a vain hope. I appreciate the advice! Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Safari screw-up
A few months ago I downloaded an update to Safari and had some sort of trouble with it, so I went into Time Machine and got back the earlier version and continued to run it. When I had gone into Time Machine, it asked me whether I wanted to keep the newer version of Safari I had just downloaded, along with the older version I was retrieving, and I told it yes, just in case I could still get the trouble sorted out. So I ended up with two Safaris in my Applications folder: one named Safari, and the other, older one named Safari (original). Well, as it turned out, the only one of the two that would run without glitches was Safari (original), which is 4.0.5, so I threw the newer one away and have been running Safari (original) ever since. Today, Software Update once again suggested that I download the latest version of Sarfari, so I decided to give it another try. Upon relaunching, the new version jams. It gets halfway through the URL for the start page and just stops, so I have to quit it. Maybe the fact that my old version of Safari was named Safari (original) instead of just plain Safari had something to do with the update failing, I don't know. However, the Safari (original) 4.0.5 still launches and runs fine, so, once again, I threw away the newer version of Safari and just decided to keep running Safari (original). But I also decided that might be a good idea to change the app's name from Safari (original) back to just plain old Safari. However, the OS won't let me do it. When I click on the name and try to get rid of the word original, a box pops up saying that I don't have permission to do that. Under Get Info, it appears that I DO have permission to do that---anyone does, but it still won't let me do it. Another problem is that I can't make any aliases of Safari (original). I need to put some fresh aliases out on my desktops again (both monitors) for convenient launching, but now I can't make any. The menu choice under the File menu for Make Alias is grayed out. The attempted update apparently linked the old aliases to the trashed update, so they no longer launch Safari (original), so I have to make new ones. So, to sum up my problems, the OS won't allow me to change the name of the app back to Safari, nor will it allow me to make any aliases of it. Any ideas how I might solve these problems? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
THE dishwasher. as if everyone has one handy. to some folks, save the environment is more than a feel good bumpersticker to put on their Hummer. a dishwasher uses 40 gallons of hot water (heating requires energy) to clean dishes that could be washed more thoroughly by hand using only 2 gallons of water. Where did you get this silliness? Even a commercial dishwasher only uses 1.5 gallons per cycle (see this link: http://tinyurl.com/ 26248n2). People who want to save water and go easy on the environment use dishwashers. Hand washing dishes in the kitchen sink uses a lot more water than a dishwasher. If you want to go the absolute easiest on the environment, don't wash your dishes at all. Lick them clean. Reminds me of that actress who says you should never use more than one square of toilet paper, to save trees. I can't remember her name, but her nickname is now Stinkyfingers. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The Attack of the Giant Pixels
Yeah, I don't know why the drivers for this rather common video card were left out of Leopard, but obviously they were. Somebody at Apple goofed? Ted, are you sure it was the card that was bad, or only the driver? Bill, I can e-mail you the two ATI drivers that the original owner of the G5 e-mailed to me, if you'd like to have them. Both were dated 2005, one from January and one from December. The newer one refused to install, but the older one installed itself just fine and the screen trouble was over. As I mentioned earlier, the video card (Radeon 9600) is now offering 19 different resolutions for the 23-inch Cinema Display, the highest one 1920 X 1200. I do believe that this card, with 256 MB of RAM, will run the Apple 30- inch display, because the previous owner says it does with no problem-- in fact it appears from his Ebay ad that he did it (see his description here: http://tinyurl.com/288ozte). I have his e-mail address and I suppose we could also confirm that with him. He seems pretty savvy about video cards and drivers. I sure like the look of those 30-inchers in the Apple Store, but who can afford them, even used? Merry Christmas! Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
The Attack of the Giant Pixels
We have two G5s in our family. I have one, and I just got my wife one, too, off Ebay. My G5 had a 23-inch Apple Cinema Display (the old type with the acrylic plastic frame and legs) connected to it for the last couple of years and it worked fine. My G5 has the GeForce 6600 video card with 256 MB of VRAM. It gave me a choice of 17 different resolutions on that big monitor, up to 1920 X 1200. I gave the Cinema Display to my wife to use with her new G5. Hers came with the ATI Radeon 9600 video card, which also has 256 MB of VRAM. However, her G5 is only offering her one resolution: 1920 X 1200. Furthermore, big blocks of pixels, which look like big single megapixels about an eighth of inch square, appear at random all over the screen of the display, which never happened when it was connected to my G5. All it takes to get rid of one of these giant pixels is to swipe the cursor across it and it vanishes, but it's a real nuisance. They pop up within windows, within dialogue boxes, everywhere. My question is, does this sound like a defective video card in her machine? The person who sold us the G5 on Ebay said that this card could drive a 30-inch Apple display. All I can say is, it isn't working so well with this 23-incher. I want to get rid of these sprinklings of giant pixels on her screen and also give her a choice of more resolutions. Should I get a new video card for her G5? If so, what would be a good card to look for? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The Attack of the Giant Pixels
Thanks everybody! Yes, the internal drives are brand new with a fresh 10.5.8 and all updates and all apps newly installed (Adobe CS2). Seller cleaned the inside of the G5 very well, no dust evident, but I'll pull, clean, and reseat the video card and see if anything improves. Already tried the monitor's cable on both DVI ports on the video card with no improvement. If cleaning and reseating the video card doesn't work I'll consider swapping out things with the other G5, though I hate to open it up, since it's in a tight place, working so well, and is in heavy use every day. Almost would rather just buy another video card and try it first (thanks for the Radeon X800 XT Mac recommendation Tina), but I guess you have to do what needs to be done sometimes. Re Ebay: I pick sellers very carefully, always making sure it's the original owner, 100% good feedback, that he/she answers all questions quickly and well, and seems like a straight guy/gal all around. Am never in a hurry to buy, either---there's always another one coming along. Nor do I buy from dealers with ten thousand sales, stock pictures, and all the other earmarks of the typical ignorant surplus/ bottom feeder sellers. Result has been no problems so far, in several years of buying (knocking on wood). Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The Attack of the Giant Pixels
Problem solved! Thanks for all the suggestions everyone; I either tried them all or was just about to when the mystery was solved. Turns out the video card needed a different driver. The way I found out was, I e-mailed the seller of the G5 and told him about the problems and that I wanted to return it to him for a refund. He said fine, but he asked me to try something first. He said he just remembered that he'd once had to install a special driver for the ATI video card in order to get it to work with an extra-long monitor cable (with a repeater or some such thing). He said it might need a different driver to work with normal-length monitor cables. So he e- mailed me two ATI drivers to try. Both were old (2005), but then, so is the G5. One of the drivers refused to install, but the other one did. And after a restart, the trouble is gone! The Displays Control Panel now offers 19 different resolutions for the 23-inch Cinema Display, and so far, a lot of fooling around and experimenting with the mouse in numerous apps and webpages through Safari have not resulted in any more Giant Pixels. Things seem completely normal now. At least from all you guys I learned what CAN go wrong to cause such problems, and Bruce hit it when he mentioned checking for drivers, so it was an educational experience as well as a frustrating one. All's well that ends well! Thanks again all! Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Restoring mail in the mailboxes
My daughter wanted to transfer something from a flash drive into my G5, but when she plugged it into the Mac, the screen froze and I had to force-quit it. (I found out subsequently that the flash drive had gone through the washing machine in the pocket of a shirt, so it was not in the greatest operating shape). Well, after a restart, Mail said that it had lost connection with all my stored e-mails (all the mailboxes were empty), and offered to restore them. I clicked OK, but shortly afterward it reported that getting the e-mails back into the mailboxes would take 14 hours, and then it got stuck. So I canceled that. Then I went to Mail File Import Mailboxes and navigated to the Home Library Mail Mail file to import from. But the result was that, instead of filling up all the empty mailboxes with the old mail, as I wanted, it created a new mailbox among the empty ones named Import, and inside of that mailbox were new copies of all the other mailboxes, all filled with the restored mail. So now I have all the original mailboxes, empty, plus a whole new set of full mailboxes inside the Imports mailbox. Which means I have to take each full mailbox out of the Imports folder and replace the empty one with it, and there are so many mailboxes that it's going to be a lot of work. If this should happen again, what would be the correct way to get all the e-mails back into the original mailboxes, instead of creating a whole new set of mailboxes inside of a new Import mailbox? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Will this power supply work in my G4 MDD?
My G4 1.42 GHz DP Mac tower won't start up anymore (it got harder and harder to start and finally quit), and I replaced the motherboard battery with no effect, so I guess the power supply has died. There is a G4 power supply for sale on eBay right now: http:// tinyurl.com/22t3gm9 but neither I nor the seller knows whether it will work in this Mac. Can anybody tell me if it will? If it won't, then where can power supplies for this Mac be looked for? And is the swap-out a simple matter of unplugging the old power supply and plugging in the new? Any advice on this would be appreciated. This MDD has been a faithful old beast over the years, a real workhorse, and never gave any trouble before this. It would be worth resurrecting if a new power supply would do it. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help! External HD vanished from desktop
Yes, John, the drive was a fairly new one and OWC may well replace it if I can find the receipt and warranty among my mounds of paperwork. But replacing the drive is a minor issue to me compared to retrieving the data on the dead one. I don't blame OWC for the current state of computer technology; they are no worse and probably better than most companies, though their tech support can stink at times; the owner is not hiring very knowledgeable geeks anymore, probably to save money. But I've got an account with them and it's a lot more convenient for me to buy a drive online with a few mouse clicks than it is to get in my car and go off to town to buy one at a computer store, which can waste a good part of a day. Thanks for the freezer suggestion, Al. I've heard of that treatment, too. Freezing things shrinks them and frees up stuck parts temporarily. My drive isn't stuck, though; it spins up freely, but it just can't read the data anymore. I'll try it, though (I'll try anything) if Disk Warrior doesn't do any good. I'm still waiting for DW to arrive in the (snail) mail, since they don't deliver the upgrades online. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help! External HD vanished from desktop
The new OWC external HD enclosure arrived today, and I took the drive that had vanished from the desktop out of its old enclosure and put it into the new one, but it didn't do any good. The drive still doesn't show up on the desktop from inside its new enclosure, even though it spins up and goes clickety-clack for a few seconds while it's starting up, just like a healthy hard drive. As an experiment, I put an old 500GB drive into the old enclosure, and it does show up on the desktop. Then I put the old 55G into the new enclosure that arrived today, and again it shows up on the desktop. Which means that the problem was not a defective enclosure, since all the enclosures work--it's a defective drive. With that established, what to do now, if anything? Bash the drive with a hammer, freeze it in the freezer--anything at all--to somehow make it show on the desktop, at least long enough to get the data off it? My copy of the newest Disk Warrior has not yet arrived in the mail. Any chance that when it does arrive, it might be able to find and repair this invisible drive? (And to answer your questions just above, Nick, yes, the Finder Prefs are set to show all drives on the desktop, and no Disk Utility cannot see the drive. Thanks for the suggestions). Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help! External HD vanished from desktop
(Update): In wandering around the Internet reading about resurrecting dead drives, I ran across this website: http://tinyurl.com/69ujzy where you can listen to the clicking sounds made by busted drives as they start up, and unfortunately mine sounds like one of them. It starts and spins up fine, but the clicks I hear on startup, that I always thought were normal, now don't sound so good, after hearing those samples. Some websites call it the Seagate Death Rattle. I think my drive has gone and rattled itself into an early grave. So, I guess the drive and all my data on it are toast. NEVER AGAIN will I not constantly back up everything as I work on it. This episode has demonstrated to me how hard drives, any hard drives, even a nearly-new one like the one that just imploded on me, even though it was never moved and was connected to a UPS/surge protector, can just suddenly die and vanish from the computer's desktop in the blink of an eye, without warning, never to return, and taking all your data and hard work with it. NEVER TRUST THE DAMN THINGS! THEYRE JUST LITTLE TICKING TIME BOMBS! Yet they're all we've got, so we have to live with them. I'm ordering another new drive to put in the dead drive's enclosure, now that it's shown itself to be a good enclosure, and that will become my back up drive for the other one I just got. I TRUST NOTHING anymore! Thanks again to all who tried to help me out here. Best wishes, Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Ungrateful Apple abandons older Mac service
My sister-in-law has a G4 eMac that came with a 40-gig drive, which has filled up. The computer is perfectly functional, though, and serves all her needs; she just needs more storage room. I bought a 500-gig drive for her from OWC and intended to replace the old one with the new. Then on searching for instructions to swap out the drive online, I find numerous warnings that this is not a Mac intended for owners to open up. Certain interior parts that have to be removed are fragile and easily broken, and the electrical charge in the CRT is very dangerous. So says websites such as EveryMac. (Why, then, does OWC sell drives that are advertised as upgrades for an eMac? Just who is supposed to replace the drives, if the owner can't?) So, I called the local Apple store (in Albuquerque) to see if they'd put the drive in for me, and was told that we don't service older Macs. And that one is even dangerous to open up. Well, thanks for nothing, Apple. Just how new does a Mac have to be before an Apple technician will service it? Brand new, or nearly so? And do you really build computers so dangerous that even an Apple tech is afraid to open it up? What kind of a crummy company is this, anyway? Methinks they really need some competition. As it is, they obviously feel free to jettison owners of their products once those products have passed a certain age. Believe me, if i didn't have so much money invested in Apple products and software, my next computer would not be an Apple, after treatment like this. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help! External HD vanished from desktop
Thanks James. I hope you're right about the drive being still alive and OK inside of a dead enclosure. I can start the drive up and hear the disk spinning up and running inside, gently vibrating like normal, so I hope that when the new enclosure comes, the thing will be able to send out the data to the Mac again. I sure would like to salvage those videos that I spent so many hours on, which are now trapped inside the old enclosure awaiting rescue. (I say old, but that drive is really only about 18 months old. And this isn't the first OWC drive to die on me, but the others were older). At the moment I'm waiting for that new enclosure http://tinyurl.com/ y94fw3 plus a new 2TB drive http://tinyurl.com/ycnmfq7 to arrive from OWC. The new drive will be used to back up the old one, assuming the old drive comes to life again inside the new enclosure. BTW this new enclosure does, I notice, have the Oxford chipset, whatever that is, which I'm glad for since you say it's desirable (but then, the enclosure that died also has the Oxford thing. Maybe they ought to switch to Eton, or some other and better British school). I chose OWC's free shipping option, which can take up to five days, rather than spend another $20 to get the stuff faster, since these two items are costing me quite enough by themselves. But when I do get the old drive into the new enclosure and try it out, I'll report here whether it worked or not. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help! External HD vanished from desktop
Thanks Clark Kris. You guys are very kind to take the time to help me out like this, and I appreciate it. Well, this external hard drive has three interfaces: FW400, FW800, and USB, and I've tried connecting the drive to the Mac with each one of these cables, and in all three cases nothing appeared on the desktop. (On each try, I powered down both the Mac and the external drive, connected the cable, and restarted). The G5 already has two 1TB hard drives in it (no empty bay, in other words), which I installed myself a couple of years ago, although I don't exactly remember how--but I'm sure I could do it again, carefully. I'm not sure which of those two drives has the OS on it, but if I couldn't tell, I'd probably pull that one and have no OS when I replaced it with the one from this external enclosure. That's the kind of stuff that always happens to me. Murphy hates me. Maybe I'd better not try moving the bad drive from the enclosure into the Mac until after I try DiskWarrior. And I can't try DW for at least a few days, because although I just now bought it online, it's not available as a download. I went to their website (Alsoft), and because I was able to provide a serial number off my old DW disk (dated 2003) they let me buy the latest version for half price ($50). But as I said, it's not available as a download--instead they're mailing me the app on a DVD. So I have to wait for it to arrive. What I'm also going to do, while I'm waiting, is order up TWO big external drives from OWC, or maybe NOT from OWC, because I've been having so much trouble with their blasted external drives (any suggestions for a different and more reliable brand, or is there no such thing?). Anyway, one of these new externals will be my working drive, and the only purpose of the second one is going to be to back up the first one. I don't want to go through this data recovery thing ever again. I was working on some Final Cut videos on that external drive, and had put many hours into them, and now they're being held hostage inside that drive by whatever gremlin has taken it over. NEVER AGAIN will I not have a continuous backup for such work! Meanwhile, do you think should I suspend further recovery attempts until DW arrives? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help! External HD vanished from desktop
Thanks Clark. OK, I'm ordering up a new enclosure for this drive from OWC (this one: http://tinyurl.com/y94fw3) plus two big new external hard drives, and DiskWarrior is also on the way. Guess all I can do for the nonce is just sit tight and wait for all this stuff to arrive, while mourning my deflated bank account. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Help! External HD vanished from desktop
This is a 1 TB OWC Mercury Elite Pro external hard drive that I've had for maybe a year and a half. Today its icon just vanished off the desktop. The drive is still running, at least when I touch it I can feel the disk spinning inside, the case is warm, and the blue power light is lit. The drive seems fully alive, except that the computer can't see it anymore. I've tried both a FW400 and a FW800 cable to the G5 Mac, shutting down and restarting the computer, plugging the drive's cable into both the back and the front of the computer, but no matter what I do, the drive never shows up on the desktop. Disk Utility can't find it either. Naturally, I had some things on this drive that weren't backed up, because my 2TB Time Machine external backup isn't large enough to back up both this external drive and both the 1TB internal drives in the G5. So, sincis the external drive was fairly new, and reliable I thought, I wasn't backing it up. Mistake! Don't trust ANY drive, new or old! If I ever get this drive to show up again, I'm going to get the data off it and then immediately replace it with TWO new drives, one for the data, and the second one just to BACK UP the data. Meanwhile, does anyone have any ideas how I might get this drive to reappear on the desktop, so I can quickly rescue the data I want to save? Didn't I read something once about sticking a dead drive in the freezer for a while and trying it cold? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help! External HD vanished from desktop
Thanks Isaac and James. I have an old version of Disk Warrior that worked with early versions of OSX, that I suspect may do more harm than good if I tried it, so I'd better not. I'll just buy a fresh new copy for 10.5. I'm not much of a techie so I hesitate to start taking drives out of their cases, but I'll do that too if Disk Warrior doesn't work when I get it. I guess I could buy a new enclosure from OWC and put this drive in it, to see what happens. Thanks for the tips! Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help! External HD vanished from desktop
OK Isaac. I'll probably try that too somewhere down the line. First I thought I'd give DiskWarrior a go. I dug around in my disks and found the DiskWarrior 3.0.2 disk, which has for OSX written on it in pen. But I'll bet the last time I used it was for OSX 10.2 or something, a long time ago. Dare I try it on Leopard 10.5? Or, I see DiskWarrior 4.0 for sale for $100 on the Alsoft website, or an upgrade for $50. Do you suppose v3 is upgradeable to 4.2? I can't find anywhere on the site where it says what versions are upgradeable. BTW I took this external drive and plugged it into the FW400 port of a G4 eMac, and then a G4 dual 2.0, and it didn't show up on the desktop of either one of them. However, as I said before, when this drive turns on it spins up and does the little clickety-clack noises it always used to just before it showed up on the screen. It just doesn't show up anymore. And my Time Machine external drive does show up on the desktop of the G5, so I'm assuming that means that the FW ports of the G5 are OK. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help! External HD vanished from desktop
Thanks Kris! OK, I plugged the external drive into the G5, it's the only FW device plugged in, and in the System Profiler under FireWire, there are two FireWire Buses listed one above the other in the top window. When I click on the upper FireWire Bus, it says in the lower window: Maximum speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec., and that's all. The lower FireWire Bus has a little disclosure triangle, and when I it, it lists two Unknown Devices. If I click on either of those two Unknown Devices it says this in the lower window: Unknown Device. Manufacturer Unknown. Model Unknown. GUID 0X0. Max speed: up too 800 mb/sec. Connection speed unknown. It strikes me that one of these FireWire buses might be a PCI-X card I installed that provides some extra USB and two FW ports. Other than that, it's all Greek to me. Make any sense to you? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Getting there
It sounds like you have a CD drive in your BW G3. They came with a CD only drive. Most if not all of the OS x disks 10.3 and above are DVD disks and require a combo CD/DVD drive of one flavor or another. Back when Apple would exchange ones newly purchased OS DVD for CDs. What would fit on 1 or 2 DVDs would require 13 or 14 CDs. I went that rout once. And only once. To load the later versions of OSX you will need to change the disk drive or download a copy from another hard drive preferably with CCC. Check in System Profiler to see which disk drive you have. That might be what your difficulty is. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
Thanks John Felix. I think I can probably use Time Machine (from an external backup drive) to restore the disks if I have to repartition them. I used TM that way before when an internal drive died and it restored the replacement exactly, though it took a long time. Regards, Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Which used Mac to buy?
After several years of daily use, my trusty G5 2.0 is headed for the boneyard--it's showing the symptoms of power-supply failure. So rather than muck around in its innards trying to revive it, which I don't have either the time or experience to do, I'm looking for a replacement, probably off Ebay. I'd like a quicker Mac anyway, and this is my excuse to get one. The Question: which Mac to replace it with? I don't have the cash for a brand new one, so should I get another G5, only a later and better one? Or should I step up to a used Intel Mac? I've always been impressed with the level of expertise and wisdom shown by the participants of this board, so I'm putting it up to you guys. I'm running Leopard 10.5 and Final Cut Pro 5, Adobe CS2 which includes Photoshop 9 and InDesign 4, and various other apps that work great with 10.5. I don't have a lot of money for updating my software, especially Final Cut, so should I stick with 10.5, or go for an Intel Mac that can run 10.6? If I use 10.6, will all these old apps of mine continue to work with it, or is it necessary to upgrade all the software to work with an Intel-based Mac? These are things I don't know. If I stick with a G5, I'd like to get a faster one than my 2.0 GHz DP, just to reduce all those long rendering times in Final Cut a little. So if I go for a faster G5, which is the best model to look for? Or rather, which are the ones NOT to look for, such as those famously leaky liquid-cooled ones? I'd appreciate any advice you guys might have on which Mac I should get before I go hunting for one on Ebay. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
Thanks much, everybody. Well, you've convinced me that I need to move up into the Intel world for the sort of work I do, but I think I'll have to get a tower rather than an iMac or Mini, because I'd like to just switch my two 1 TB hard drives from the G5 into the new machine, and I'd also like to keep using two big monitors. I guess I'm a tower man, then. As to the software issues, what if I got an Intel Mac Pro of some flavor and just stayed in 10.5 with it, in case there might be problems with some of my old software in Snow Leopard? I could work my way up to 10.6 gradually. Being a technology ignoramus, I don't know one type of Intel Mac Pro from another; Bruce up above mentions a second generation of them, and I don't know from this Core Duo/Core 2 duo 32/64 bit processor stuff. But it appears from what you all say that I'd be best off with a second generation 64-bit Core 2 Duo Mac Pro. My budget is around $1000, maybe a bit more. Can anyone suggest a used model of Mac Pro that fits this bill, and my (dollar) bills? Or am I asking for too much for the money? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Trying to bring a partition back to life
Data Rescue II worked the best for me after even the Genius bar couldn't get anything back. I bought and formatted a second hard drive into my G4 MDD and tried their web site for free. The test seemed to show that their product would work so I downloaded it and followed the directions. It worked and they then also sent me the disk. Tom On Nov 10, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/11/10 08:08, Joshua Juran so eloquently wrote: How much is your data worth? If it's worth nothing, just cut your losses. If it's worth the cost of DiskWarrior, get it. DiskWarrior is an excellent repair utility, but recovery is safer than repair An often over-looked ability of DiskWarrior is that even if you are unable to write a new directory as part of the repair process, you may be able to use the new directory that has been created, but not written, to perform a more complete (more accurate?) recovery of the data on the partition in question. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
Here's a link to a Seattle Times article on the Lion operating system: http://tinyurl.com/24jese8 I notice that Apple's new laptop computers will have flash drives instead of hard drives. Does that mean that flash drives will eventually replace hard drives in all computers, then? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Quicksilver 933 Audio Issue/Question
I also have a QS 2001 867 with a similar problem. I tried changing the internal speaker with a speaker out of an identical, (dead mobo but would bong indicating mobo or CPU) QS with no success. Headphones and external speakers work ok. I am interested in where to look for damaged components and how to identify them. I probably don't have the skills to repair it but knowledge is a good thing and if it is not too difficult.. On Aug 11, 12:34 pm, somewhitechick heidi_bam...@mac.com wrote: Not sure what my problem is -- audio control or internal speaker. OR could it be some sort of setting issue? I have no sound(s) whatsoever coming from internal speaker. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Is a power inverter safe for laptops and iPods?
During an upcoming vacation in an RV, our family will want to charge their Apple laptops and iPods as usual, but of course there won't be any wall outlets like there are in a house. Instead, we have a little gadget called a power inverter from Radio Shack, made in Taiwan by Enercell, that can be plugged into an electrical outlet connected to the car's battery. Here's a picture of the thing: http://tinyurl.com/ 23fequ8. I wonder if it's safe to the electronics to use this inverter? It says on the package: 150-watt power inverter. Equips your vehicle with a household electrical outlet and USB port! Power your home electronics from your car! Continuous AC power: 150W. Peak power: 300W for one cycle. Output voltage 115 VAC + - 10 VAC, 5 VDC + - 0.25 VDC. Output frequency 60Hz + - 3Hz. No-load current draw 0.4A. Caution: total combined power of devices plugged into this inverter should not exceed 150W. Anybody see a problem with plugging a Powerbook, a MacBook, or an iPod into this thing? (Not all at once, of course). Thanks much! Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Utube conversion
Miro will download videos with no problem, and it's free:http:// www.getmiro.com/ Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Problem with Burning Photo CD
I do these sorts of slideshows in iDVD, where they're easy. Another good program for slideshows is Photo to Movie, http:// tinyurl.com/84yde. I think it costs $50 now, double its original cost, but you can do better pan/zooms (Ken Burns stuff) than even Final Cut Pro can do; in fact I do all my pan/zooms in Photo to Movie and then export them into Final Cut. For shows done entirely with Photo to Movie, you can add music, titles, and all sorts of things. Take a look at their sample slideshows here: http://tinyurl.com/ yfej3j4. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: Which version of iLife?
Hi Bill. I'm surprised anyone can import a two-hour movie into iMovie and edit it. Anytime I even tried one hour projects (iMovie 4 thru 6), by the time the project got that long the video and audio were coming unglued from each other and the program was getting so sluggish and buggy it was hard to continue. Switching to Final Cut Express was a tremendous relief despite the steep learning curve, and the increase in the quality of the video productions and the ease of creating them are incomparable. iMovie is a mug's game, in my opinion strictly for amateurs doing short children's birthday videos or recording vacations for family and friends. For any kind of serious video production, dump iMovie fast and get any version of Final Cut, learn to use it, and you'll wonder how you ever put up with iMovie. Final Cut is confusing at first and not easy to master, but Tom Wolsky, the author of several tutorial books on Final Cut, is among many helpful people in the Apple Final Cut Express forum (here: http://tinyurl.com/69jmgs) who answer newbie questions fast when you're learning. When I bought Final Cut Express (for $300) I also got one of Wolsky's tutorial books with its DVD (here: http://tinyurl.com/ yahht27), and Helmut Koble's Final Cut Express for Dummies (here: http://tinyurl.com/ydt4t9u) and learned the program on the Mac with the books in my lap and a Safari bookmark to the Apple FCE forum. If you can get FCE for only $100 now, then there is no excuse not to dump iMovie and get serious about video production. Final Cut (both Express and Pro) outputs as an ordinary QuickTime movie that can simply be dropped into iDVD like any iMovie production (I'm using iDVD 7 and Toast 6 with OS 10.5.6 on a G5 2.0) and I just modify any of the stock iDVD templates to suit me, dropping in my own background pictures and music and then burning the iDVD project within the computer as a disk image that can be stored on a hard drive and used to make real DVDs. If I'm converting VHS or old Hi8 tapes, or importing a commercial movie, I feed them through a Canopus ADVC 300 into Final Cut, where editing and adding in scene selections is a breeze. Before I got the G5 I was doing all my Final Cut Express work quite easily on a QS 2002 dual 1G (I only got the G5 because I moved up to Final Cut Pro 5 and it wouldn't run on the G4). Some of the productions I made with FCE on the G4, which would have been quite impossible to do in iMovie, I put up on YouTube, here: http:// tinyurl.com/6xdymg or http://tinyurl.com/6e698m. Check those out and see if you could even begin to make such videos with iMovie. Once again, my advice is to chuck iMovie without delay and get Final Cut Express (which has most of the capabilities of Final Cut Pro) and you'll never look back, except with amazement that you ever put up with the frustrations and limitations of that stupid iMovie. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Maybe Apple Cinema Display beats Dell after all
Well, the current Apple 24 Cinema Display for sale on the Apple website does indeed have a glossy screen, and if you look at the ratings and reviews that begin on that same webpage, you notice that a great many people cannot stand the gloss. It sounds like I would not like it either, since many of the complainers are using the monitor for the same sort of work I do myself. I guess I'll end up getting an older, matte-surface 23 Cinema Display off Ebay. I cut and pasted below some of the complaints about the glossiness of the screen just in the first three pages of ten pages of reviews: This thing is a freakin' mirror not a monitor. I would NOT buy it again. It causes me eye strain and the reflections massively interfere with viewing. After a few weeks of working with all my shades drawn, I will either return it or buy a an anti-glare film to stick on it. I have my matte MacBook Pro right next to it and there is no comparison. The MacBook Pro matte screen works, this one does not. Apple will charge me a 10% restocking fee and make me pay for shipping it back if I want to return it. Not impressed. - Argh. I just started a new design job and they have me working on this giant glossy screen. It's driving me nuts with the reflections from windows behind me, people walking around, etc. It's extremely difficult / impossible to focus on my work and ignore the reflections and gives me an instant headache from eye strain. When I get a full time offer I hope I can request for this to be switched out for a matte screen. - This monitor is kinda useless. I mean I love the color and the LEDs give u a bright screen. The huge problem is the glossy finish. Stop Making GLOSSY screens They are shiny and beautiful but the functionality is horrible. Every time you are working on photos or graphics you have to move ur head around trying to dodge the reflection on ur screen. I hate it!! Thank god I didn't buy it but apple should be more caring of its graphic designers/photographer customers knowing that we (at least I do) prefer a matte finish. Look at all those beautiful 52 inch TV screen out there (THX certified) NOT ONE is glossy! There's a reason to it. I want apple to bring back the older CInema HD displays!! - The reflective screens are impossible to use in any kind of a normal environment. Buy a third party monitor and don't waste your money on this. --- I'm a full-time programmer for Mac iPhone platform and spend more 10 hours in a day looking at screen. I want to see my source code, but not my face. This screen is beautiful, but glossy kills all. Please provide an antiglare option when buying Apple LED Cinema Display and new iMac. --- I use this monitor in a fairly normal UK office (overhead fluorescent reflectors, big windows) and the glare and reflections make this monitor practically unusable. At best the reflections are extremely distracting, at worst they give me a headache. -- I can't stand the glare. I paid $1500 for my last CRT monitor in part because of the quality of the anti-glare coating. I want to see my work, not myself or things behind me. Why has this escaped Apple? Back to the Apple Store these go. You would think they would have a good option for professionals considering they sell $5,000 desktops! Please, Please provide a matte display -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Maybe Apple Cinema Display beats Dell after all
I tried to revive my old topic Apple Cinema Display questions but it's apparently archived and defunct, or at least, I can't see how to update it, so I'll just restart it with this new title. To repeat: I've been been mulling over the choice between a used 23 Apple Cinema Display on Ebay and one of the less expensive 24 Dells also sold there, such as the Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW. The Apple Cinema Display sells on Ebay for an average of $450, while the Dell can be had refurbished for $229 (see it here at http:// tinyurl.com/yek92wl). It has been noted in the previous thread that the technical specs on the Dell are better than the Apple's, and the speculation was that the extra money asked for the Cinema Display is just paying for the Apple name. Well, I'm not too sure about that anymore, after reading lots of reviews of the Dell in the last several days. I've also seen the Dells (and Samsungs) at Sam's Club and other places, and no matter how I fool around with the display models I can't seem to make the Dells look as sharp with text as my old (2004) 23 Cinema Display at home (although this is subjective, because I can't see them side-by-side unless I were to buy a Dell and take it home). I do fairly serious Photoshop photo and Final Cut video editing work, and whenever I can find a review by somebody who also does such pro work, they always say to go for the Apple. The latest example of this I found among the reviews for the Dell UltraSharp 2408 WFP (which is the latest version of the refurbished Ebay Dell 2405 FPW selling above on Ebay for $229) at Amazon.com, where people who have bought the Dell have their say. The review is here: http://tinyurl.com/ygc8pbq if anybody cares to read the whole thing (it's pretty long) but the crux of it for me is this part: Quote: My wife does serious photography editing and design, and she has an Apple 24 LED Cinema display. It is stunning, and very easy on the eyes. On the other hand, I do a lot of programming and email, so I originally didn't care about color and looks and bought a Dell 2408wfp purely based on specifications. This Dell is a big step up from my 20 Dell that's about 5 years old. At every aspect, the Dell on paper seems superior to the Apple in terms of bang for bucks, and in terms of amazing features. Dell wins every aspect, hands down. break I've always wondered why the Apple LED Cinema display looked sharper, and simply looked nicer. So I took my Nikkor 105mm f/2.8 micro lens VR for a 1:1 repro close-up macro on an APS-C camera, which resolves much more resolution than a naked eye can possibly see (near microscopic). Initially I took a separate shot of the Apple and the Dell so I could see their resolutions close-up, and thought to myself, there is no way the Apple is so much sharper. I took several pictures of these monitors again, and again. The results are easily reproducible-- the Apple display is superior in terms of clarity. I've uploaded the comparisons to Amazon so you can look at the differences. If this Dell is supposed to be ultra sharp, then the Apple is superiorly sharper (and without hurting your eyes). One of the reasons that Dell doesn't look as sharp is because it has a matted anti-reflecting layer so it blemishes the individual pixels. As for color... the colors on the Macs just look better, pre-calibrated without much adjustments needed. If it weren't for the fact that my current computer doesn't support mini-DisplayPort, I'd have gotten an Apple LED display already. I guess I'll just have to wait for my next big upgrade so that I can get the Apple display. In short, if you're a programmer or just a casual emailer/web browser, and if you want the MOST features or the brightest backlighting hitting your eye balls, and if you don't care anything about sRGB/ AdobeRGB/etc... this Dell is an awesome monitor. It probably has one of the best bangs for bucks, with tons of features like multiple video inputs and card readers which I do find very useful since I do a lot of digital photography. On paper, the specifications are very impressive. On the other hand, if you want a well built, well designed, and great looking graphical display for serious photography and serious graphical needs, one that looks good on your desktop and is easy on the eyes, accurate color rendition and super sharpness, a monitor with excellent resale values year after year... if these things matter to you more AND you have money to burn, then the Apple 24 LED Cinema Display is the de-facto industry standard for serious graphical work. Unquote. So, if what this guy says is true (and I see no reason to doubt it) he has furnished the empirical proof that the Apple Cinema Displays are sharper, easier on the eyes, and there worth the extra money. So, I'm back to looking at the 23 Apples on Ebay for the extra couple hundred dollars, but for all the hours every day that I spend looking at a monitor, I think it will be worth it. Tom -- You received this message
Re: Printer recommendation?
I'm using old HP Laserjet 5 and 6MPs with my Macs (with Tiger and Leopard), and I even have several spare one on the shelf (there was a government auction and I picked up a pile of these old Laserjets for cheap, mostly to get the toner cartridges out of them). None of my old Laserjets has a USB port; you're stuck with serial ports on these old beasts, so you have to use a serial-to-USB adapter cable, available from places like Radio Shack, Best Buy, etc. for around $20 when I last looked. The best drivers to use with these adapter cables are the CUPS ones, for example here: http://tinyurl.com/yhpkonf. I had lots of errors in printing until I started using these CUPS drivers, but very little trouble since. These old Laserjet 5 and 6MPs are bulletproof and utterly reliable once you get one working well with a Mac. Some of them need a bit more memory than they came with stock, though, (they take RAM chips just like a computer) in order to work at their best. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iMovie 6
I'm running Leopard and my Canopus ACVC-300 can send video straight into iMovie, and it also did it just as easily in Tiger. I have several versions of iMovie, but I prefer iMovie 4 because you can edit video into the iMovie trash which will dump it off the hard drive when emptied. Later versions of iMovie had non-destructive editing which keeps the unwanted video on the hard drive, where it takes up space to no purpose. Actually, except for very short quick and dirty videos, I don't use iMovie to import video from the Canopus, I prefer Final Cut (either Express or Pro), because for videos of any length it has been my experience that the longer the video the more out of synch the video and audio get toward the end in iMovie. Any version of Final Cut, however, always keeps the video and audio tightly synchronized, even in a two-hour movie. How is it done (import the video), someone asked? You just connect the Canopus to the Mac with a firewire cable, and then feed video into the Canopus from a VCR, a DVD player, or whatever you have, and you can use a TV for a monitor to control the deck and also see what it's feeding into the Canopus (the TV is also connected to the Canopus), and you'll also see the video going into iMovie or Final Cut on the computer's monitor. I have a deck that has both a videocassette player and a DVD player, and either one can feed analog video into the Mac through the Canopus into iMovie or FC. If you're importing video into the Mac from a video camera, you take it directly from the camera, of course, no Canopus required. And when the Canopus is connected to the Mac to feed in video, both iMovie and Final Cut see it as a camera (for example, iMovie will say Camera connected). Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Apple 23 Cinema Display questions
What makes these Apple Cinema Displays so expensive, anyway? A *second- hand* three or four year old 23 Cinema Display typically goes for around $450 on Ebay, while you can buy brand new Samsung monitors of about the same size at places like Sam's or Costco for less than that. Is Apple's monitor technology so superior that it is worth all that extra money? Is the sharpness, viewing angles, and color accuracy all that much better? I'm thinking they might be, because I'm looking at an old ADC Cinema Display right now, and I can move considerably to the left and right with hardly any change in screen brightness due to the viewing angle, whereas at places like Sam's the monitors on display typically get dark very quickly with only a slight change in viewing angle to left or right. Seems like just shifting around in your chair in front of such monitors would dim your view. I'm looking around for a big monitor for my G5, something with a DVI connection, since that's what the G5 has. I do a lot of Photoshop and video editing work, so a large screen with excellent color and sharpness are important to me, but if I can get such features without the exorbitant price of Apple monitors I'll certainly do it. The only way you can get one of the 23 Cinema Displays now is on the used market, because Apple has discontinued them in favor of a 24 model ($900). And if you want to see some real complaining, go to the Apple online store and look at the reviews of this new 24 monitor. Not only are buyers unhappy with the extreme glossiness of the screen surface (like looking into an aquarium, and I'm tired of looking at myself like in a mirror, etc.) but the normal DVI connection has been replaced by a mini-DVI connection for laptops only. On top of that, the monitor's cable is so short, only two or three feet long, that the computer has to sit practically against the monitor. If you want a normal DVI connector and more cable length you have to jury-rig some sort of adapter, or buy an Apple adapter for $100, or move up to the Apple 30-inch monitor for double the price. What the heck is Apple thinking (a great many people besides me are asking)? Anyway, back to the point, can anyone tell me whether there are less expensive monitors that compare favorably to the (now discontinued) Apple 23 Cinema Display? Thanks much, Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple 23 Cinema Display questions
Thanks all for the advice. Yes, I'm beginning to think that the Dell 27 might be the way to go, if I decide to buy new. As Kris pointed out, its specs exceed the Apple Cinema Displays, and the user reviews I've seen are are good. Both Amazon and Sam's Club have the Dell available. Here it is at Sam's: http://tinyurl.com/yd64gfu. Anybody out there using one of these Dell monitors, and have an opinion about it? I hope the G5's video card (GeForce 6600) can run it OK; I assume it can. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: DL DVD burning
I had bad burns (also using Toast with a Pioneer drive) until I switched to the Linkyo brand, obtainable from Amazon.com. Not one coaster since. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX5 vs. OSX4
On Jan 16, 9:40 am, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: From what I have read Snow Leopard can reduce the space needed to store the files. I have not actually experience that but I guess maybe 10.5.8 does this as well. -- May well be true. The most obvious explanation is usually correct. One problem I'm having with Snow Leopard is getting AppleWorks 6 to create pdfs. Almost all my written files are AppleWorks all the way up from Claris 2.0: (I guess I just dated myself -- Speaking of dating yourself, I've been using WriteNow since the beginning (but after upgrading to 4 went back to 3). It has no capacity to make pdfs directly, but, if you print to file, you get postscript files. If you can save .ps files, those will open with Preview; when you close them, they will be saved as pdfs. I've been doing this for years and never had a problem. True, two steps, but it beats bloatware. You don't *need* Acrobat unless you're combining pdfs and v.5 works fine for simple jobs like that. (BTW, I tried doing it more directly using Acrobat8; didn't work immediately and I didn't try to pursue it.) Tom Field At the headwaters of the Merrimac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX5 vs. OSX4
On Jan 16, 12:00 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: (using the same Acrobat 8 application that resides on one of the partitions) This could be an issue. Adobe products are not self-contained in a single .app package. ... Try installing Acrobat on EACH system. -- Nope. I consiered that but (I just confirmed) Acrobat is on the 4.11 partition where I do most of my work (using WrtieNow.3 that runs only in OS9). That's how I generated 14 MB files; the 5 MB files were generated running that app from the 5.8 partition. -- If, as John Carmonne suggests, 5.8 saves more compact files and space is a premium, a 60% reduction is nothing to ignore. Tom Field -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
An OSX4.11 vs 5.8 sleep mystery
As already explained, I run 4.11 and 5.8 on G5 partitions. When I put the G5 to sleep in 4.11, weird stuff happened. It wouldn't wake, and, after a time, the fans began to ROAR. Running 5.8, no problem! I also have two G4s running 4.11. One sleeps and wakes w/ no problems; the other does not. The first has an airport card, the second and my G5 both have ASUS wi-fi dongles (802.11g-54Mbps). I also have a Linksys, 54 Mbps. So I tried my G5 4.11 partition w/o the dongle. As I hoped, no sleep problems. So I can solve them by disconnecting reconnecting the dongle. I wonder what others who have complained about sleep issues are using for wi-fi. I also wonder if anyone has an idea about what might solve the 4.11 problem without fiddling w/ the dongle. I intend to ask ASUS about this, but answers may never come. Tom Field -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
OSX5 vs. OSX4
I have a G5 running 10.4.11 and 10.5.8 on partiitions. When I converted several postscript files into pdfs and combined them w/ 4.11 (and earlier -- it's an ongoing project), I always got a roughly 498 page file of about 13 MB. Apparently mistaken, I thought 5.8 would run faster. (But I didn't notice that ran slower, either.) Anyway, I got an interesting result (using the same Acrobat 8 application that resides on one of the partitions); the file is 5 MB. I re-did another project of essentially the same size that had already been completed using 4.11 and got the same result. As far as I can *see*, the two .pdfs are exactly the same except that one takes up less than 40% as much disk space. This may have something to do with whether the font is embedded (Times New Roman) in one file but not the other,. If so, it's not because I altered the system font files. They are exactly the same as when the systems were installed. An explanation would be nice, but, that aside, this is a notable difference between OSX4 and OSX5 (if others can duplicate it). Tom Field -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
44 MB Syquest -- need a driver?
I have 44 MB Syquest hooked up to a QS G4, running OSX.10.11. Have an Iomega zip drive in the terminal SCSI position. The zip drive is recognized, but the Syquest isn't. Everything else seems to be fine. Thanks for any ideas. Tom Field -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
POP!
Hello all-- Last night while running my G5 Powermac Dual 1.85, I heard a POP and it sure stopped working! Could this be a power supply issue? Any thoughts about the best suppliers for new/rebuilt power supplies? Thank you, Tom-- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iPhoto home movies disappear using CCC
I don't know anything about CCC, but last month I had a big hard drive drop dead in my G5 that was full of movies, made by iMovie, Final Cut Express, and Final Cut Pro. But fortunately I have this G5 connected to a 1 TB external hard drive with Time Machine backing up to it, and it saved the day. I put a new hard drive in the G5 and told Time Machine to restore the data from the dead drive to it, and it worked perfectly. Every restored movie launches and runs just fine, and the OS was also restored and boots up without a hitch. After the restore process was done (it took hours) it was as if the original drive had never died; everything was back to normal and works great. Another thing: since Time Machine makes hourly backups, when I'm editing video and really screw something up, all I have to do is enter Time Machine and go back a few hours to get an earlier version of the movie and start over. Very convenient. So I can certainly recommend and endorse Time Machine. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another
SUCCESS! Thanks for all the brainstorming everybody. I finally got it figured out, thanks mainly to what Bruce said. He suggested swapping the Colorsync profiles from the G4 that was getting the correct colors from the scanner to the G4 that wasn't. Well, that didn't work, actually---I did it, and the G4 MDD still came up with weird colors in the scans. However, Bruce also said that the HP Uninstaller (remember I kept throwing the scanner software off the drive and reinstalling it again, hoping it would fix it) might not be uninstalling ALL the HP software each time I did it. And he was right. Even after the Uninstaller supposedly removed all the HP Photosmart software, I did a Finder search on HP, and sure enough there were still HP Photosmart folders and files scattered all throughout the System Library, in folders such as Application Support and Printers. I rooted out and trashed every one of them. Then, just for good measure, I went to the Preferences folders both in the System Library and the User Library and threw out any .plists that had HP in them, too, and there were several of those. THEN, one final time, I used the HP Photosmart C4200 All-in-One Software Installer CD to reinstall the scanner software, and bingo! the scanner started producing perfect colors! So I guess I can't say for sure whether it was throwing out all the HP files, or the Preference files, or both, that did the trick, but at least the trick is did, and now all is well with the scanner and the G4 MDD. Lovely photo scans, great colors! Thanks very much again gang! This is a great group! All the best, Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another
This is one of those HP Photosmart C4200 All-in-One printer/scanners that Apple was giving away with their computers a couple years ago (USB connection). I only want to use it as a scanner for photos, attached to a G4 MDD 1.42 GHz running 10.4.11. The Mac recognizes the scanner through the HP software, and it scans the pictures, but the colors come out all skewed. Red comes out greenish-yellow, etc. Even the color adjustment controls of the HP software can't fix the weird colors. However, when I connect this same scanner to a G4 dual 1 GHz, it scans just fine, and the colors are correct. So the mystery is, how come this scanner works with one G4, but not the other one, the one I want it to? Both Macs are running 10.4.11 with all the updates, and have all the same other apps. Except for their CPU models, both Macs are the same. The HP software installs from a CD that was included with the scanner, and it was used to install it on both Macs (there is no longer any software or drivers available for this scanner on the HP website--they seem uninterested in supporting it). For the G4 MDD giving the wrong color scans, I uninstalled and reinstalled the HP software several times, tried different USB ports, examined all software preferences, calibrated the monitor, everything I can think of, but the colors still scan funny. Anybody got any ideas why this scanner will work fine with one G4 but not another? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
SUCCESS! Thanks very much Ralph, Taner, Kris, and Ben. It's very good of you all to take the time to help me out here. Ralph, you're right, the more I fool around with this little Mac the more fond I'm getting of the thing. I like the way the monitor swivels around so smoothly into any position or angle and stays put. It's too small a screen for me, though, since I've become accustomed to the 24-inch LCD attached to my G5. You get spoiled. Taner, thanks for the info, but I didn't have to mess with any jumpers on the drive because, thanks to Kris' advice, I was able to find the OS-9 drivers and format the drive with them. Kris, you were right about how to find the OS-9 drivers within the Partitions tab in Disk Utility, but it was not on the 10.4 installer disk; I had to go back to the 10.2 installer to find it, but there it was. So I formatted the drive with it (1 Partition) using the 10.2 installer disk, and then I installed OS-X with the 10.4 installer disk. After 10.4 was up and running, I just put in a disk I have here called 9.2.2 Installer, and it put 9.2.2 on the drive too, no problem. Then I launched Classic, chose the OS-9 folder when it asked for it, and now Classic runs fine! The lady should now be able to run all her old OS-9 programs in Classic, just like before. Ben, you're probably right about the 9 drivers not really being necessary, but they're on there now anyway, just in case they're ever needed. I haven't yet tried to reboot the Mac into pure OS-9, but maybe it's possible now, if it were ever required for some reason. NOW, I've got one last question for anybody who might have an answer: We are in the process of putting all the lady's data back on the drive, from a backup that was made onto an external drive when the old internal drive began to go flakey. She had been running 10.4 before the hard drive failure, and all the OS-X folders that were in the system she was using are there on the backup drive. Is it possible for us to restore all her e-mail addresses, Safari bookmarks, and other such stuff by merely replacing folders on her new system with folders dragged over from the old backed-up system? I mean, for example, can I trash her new Users folder and then drag the old Users from the backup over to the new System, and will the new system then recognize and use that old folder with all its information? Ditto with Applications, Library, etc? Or will I maybe corrupt the new system by trying to splice in pieces of the old one? Is it better (and safer) for her to just reconstruct her old information by putting it in manually? Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
My mother-in-law, an elderly and stubborn lady (though nice) refuses to give up her old 1 GHz iMac (the half-soccer-ball novelty with the little monitor-on-a-stem sticking out of it) even though it dates from the Jurassic Period of computing and we all keep telling her she'd be better off with a new or at least newer iMac. She's had this Mac since she bought it new. The reason she wants to keep the old thing, says the sweet old thing, is that she has equally antique applications that she cannot bear to part with, and that can only run in OS 9 (such as an old genealogy program, an early word processor, solitaire games, etc.), and none of the newer iMacs can run Classic. She has simply got to run Classic, as well as OS-X for e-mail and surfing the web with Safari. We tried to persuade her to give up this old iMac when its hard drive died the other day, but she insisted on reviving it, so we bought a new 500-gig hard drive from OWC and installed it (and was that ever a nightmare, digging into the crammed-full innards of that stupid soccer ball). We also upped the ram to 1.5 gigs (I think it was). So now we're at the stage where we have this new empty drive in the iMac, as yet unformatted, and we have to get both OS-9 and OS-X onto it. For some reason, none of the OS-9 installer discs that I've accumulated over the years will start up this Mac (while holding down the C key), but an OS-X Tiger disk will, and Disk Utility on the Tiger installer disk sees the new drive just fine, so the HD installation was successful. I did not install Tiger on the new drive because I'm worried that we may have to install OS-9 first, and then put OS-X on top of it. Is that how it's done, when you want both, and want to run Classic? Or, am I wrong, and can we install Tiger first, and then put 9.2.2 on the same drive (maybe on a different partition) afterward? I have a disk called 9.2.2 Classic Install that will not start up this iMac, but I can view its contents in my G5, and it seems like maybe I could install OS-9 from the desktop of OS-X in the iMac. Am I right? In short, what would be the best way to install both 10.4.11 and Classic 9.2.2 on this old G4 iMac? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
Thanks, Yersinia and Taner. Well, I can start the old iMac up with the 10.4 installer disk, and then use its Disk Utility to format the new drive, but no matter how I try it (either Erase or Partition), I am not given any option to install any OS 9 drivers. It just doesn't offer that option. Am I missing it somewhere? Where should I look for it? And by the way, this old iMac does see the new drive as a 500 gig, or rather 460 or something. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
Thanks, Yersinia, but that option, to install the OS 9 drivers, is not offered by the Disk Utility that is on the Tiger Installer. So I dug around in my old disc collection and found a 10.1 installer disk, but discovered on starting up with it that it has no Utilities menu on it at all. It cannot erase and format a drive, it can only install 10.1. However, I accidentally let it install 10.1 on this iMac's hard drive (once it got started, there was no way to stop it, and I was afraid to just shut the Mac off, so I let it do the install and figured I'd erase the disk later), and when I opened the Disk Utility on the installed 10.1 System, it DID offer to erase the disk and install the OS-9 drivers. However, the erase and format options were all grayed out, because Disk Utility cannot erase and format the disk that it's running from, the startup disk. So the situation we have here is this: the Tiger installer disk doesn't offer the option of OS-9 drivers. The 10.1 installer disk has no Disk Utilities on it, but after you install 10.1, its Disk Utilities DOES offer the 9 drivers, but you can't do it because it's the startup disk and it can't operate on itself. Now, I do have some external hard drives, and my first thought was to install 10.1 on one of them and then start up the iMac with it and format the Mac's internal drive that way, but all my external drives already have 10.4 on them, and you can't install an earlier version of OS-X over a later version. So, I'm stymied for a way to get the OS 9 drivers. Any ideas? Tom Tom On Oct 1, 9:54 pm, yersi...@cybernex.net wrote: Tom writes, Thanks, Yersinia and Taner. Well, I can start the old iMac up with the 10.4 installer disk, and then use its Disk Utility to format the new drive, but no matter how I try it (either Erase or Partition), I am not given any option to install any OS 9 drivers. It just doesn't offer that option. Am I missing it somewhere? Where should I look for it? When you go to the Erase tab in Disk Utility, immediately below the fields for the choice of Volume Format and the name to give the HD there's a little box for a checkmark next to text which reads Mac OS 9 Drivers Installed. If there's already a check in the box, you're OK, no need to do anything. But if the box has no checkmark, you give it one by clicking the box. This has to be done for OS 9 to install and run on the system. And by the way, this old iMac does see the new drive as a 500 gig, or rather 460 or something. Wow, that's cool! I guess your mother-in-law's Jurassic Mac can do things my Triassic Mac can't! LOL Good luck! :-) ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about how Time Machine works
This thread will probably end up archived somewhere, so I'll just tie up the loose end and report how the installation and restoration of the second disk went, for anyone who may be faced with doing this in the future. To continue the above, after the new replacement for the dead drive ran reliably for a few days, and everything on it worked fine, it was time to replace the other (still working) drive, just as preventative medicine, since they were both five years old. The replacement and restoration of the data on the second drive went, like the first one, with only minor hitches. As with the first one, I first replaced the old drive in the Mac with the new one, paying no attention to any settings on the new drive itself such as master/slave or cable select as I'd had to do with drives in the older Macs. Apparently with these new SATA drives in G5 Macs or newer, you just ignore all that stuff and slap 'em in there, just as they come out of he box, and they work fine. Then I fired up the Mac using the Leopard installer disk with the C key held down, and after the disk took control (and it makes you choose a language, like an ATM machine), I went up to the Utilities menu and chose Disk Utility and initialized the drive with it, giving it exactly the same name as the drive it replaced (Internal 500). When that was done, I picked Restore from Backups from the same utilities menu, and it then asks you to choose a Time Machine backup to restore from (my Time Machine is an external 1 TB drive plugged into the front of the G5). Once again, the backups for both drives were double-listed in the Choose window for some reason, once with an OS number and once without, like this: Internal 500 and Internal 500 10.4.11, and Internal 1000 and Internal 1000 10.5.6. Here was the first little error made by the utility, because both drives had 10.5.6 on them, and neither one had 10.4.11. No matter, I chose Internal 500, which was the original name of the drive being replaced. Then the installer asked me to choose a disk to restore the data to, and here the second little glitch appeared, because the newly initialed drive was not listed in the window. I decided to restart the Mac to see if it would appear, but Restart was grayed out under the Apple menu, so I backed up through the Utility's windows (hitting the Back button on each window) until I came to the first one, but Restart was still grayed out. So I went the other way, and repeated the process of choosing a drive to restore from and to, and the second time it asked me what drive I wanted to restore to, the new drive appeared in the list. Glitch fixed, somehow. I chose the new drive and hit Restore, and four hours later (during which time a Time Machine window sat on the monitor with Restoring at the top and a progress bar slowly filling up at the bottom) I had a complete working copy of the original drive, which boots up and runs exactly like it. And all is well. Pretty soon I'll have Time Machine make a complete new backup of both drives, and then I'll be back where was from before the old drive failed. The two new hard drives run very quietly, and Hitachi thinks they'll continue to run for at least five years, judging from their warranty, so I'm sitting pretty at the moment. Time Machine has proven to me that it is capable of restoring a big hard drive after a complete failure, and I intend to keep it on the job from now on, doing its hourly backups. It's a great safety feature for a guy like me who is too lazy and absentminded to do frequent backups otherwise. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iMovie .dv
You could go to this Apple discussion forum and ask the question there, and you're sure to get the right answer. There are some really smart people there about iMovie and they'll have an answer for you in a few hours, if not sooner: http://tinyurl.com/34qtot Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about how Time Machine works
OK, I got the two new drives today, replaced my dead internal drive with one of them, and used Time Machine to restore the contents of the dead drive to the new one. I was successful, but only on the second try. I didn't do it the right way the first time around, I guess. The first time I tried to restore the contents of the drive, I did it through Time Machine's Star Wars interface. After booting up the Mac with the old internal drive that still works, and seeing that the new drive was on the desktop, I went into Time Machine, located the folder that contained the contents of the dead drive (named Internal 1000), highlighted it, and hit Restore. TM then asked where I wanted to put the data, I chose the new drive, and TM copied all the stuff onto it. Notice that it said it was copying all the items from the dead drive to the new one. In other words, it did not say it was restoring the drive, like I wanted it to, it said it was copying the data onto it. I let it go ahead and do it, though, and It took a few hours, and when it was done, I opened up the new drive's window and saw that all the data was inside a folder titled Internal 1000. I opened the folder and tried to launch a couple of the restored Final Cut Pro projects, but they would not open. They got stuck on a dialogue box that said something about Final Cut Documents folder missing. I had sort of expected something like that. On the original drive, all the stuff was out in the open in the drive's window, it was not inside of a folder like that. And Final Cut is very fussy about folders. So, I decided to try the other method of restoring data with Time Machine. First I erased the new drive, to start over from scratch, and then I restarted the Mac with the Leopard installer disk, by holding down the C key. After the Leopard Installer disk booted up and took control, I used its Utilities menu to choose Restore with Time Machine (I think that's what it was called), and this time TM offered more choices. It showed both Internal 1000 and Internal Internal 1000 10.5.6. available to restore from. I figured the latter was just offering to restore the OS only, so I chose Internal 1000, and TM then offered me the whole list of that drive's backups from the day the it failed on back several weeks. Naturally I chose the most recent backup and hit Restore. This time TM did not say that it was copying items, it said it was Restoring the Disk, which is what I wanted. And sure enough, four hours later, I was able to open the new hard drive's window, and there was everything sitting out in the open just like it had been on the old drive. This time, all the Final Cut video projects opened up just fine, although in some cases they complained of missing render files, but all I had to do to fix that was tell Final Cut to render the videos over again. And all is well! Everything works, so far! So, I guess there is a wrong way and a right way to restore the contents of a drive with Time Machine, and of course I picked the wrong way first. I have now turned Time Machine off, to prevent it from backing up the contents of the new drive until I'm sure everything is fine with it, so I'll go a few days this way and keep testing everything out. So far, everything seems to be working fine. All my stuff is back, and Time Machine has proven itself to be a very valuable asset! After a few days, I'll replace the old boot drive with the other new hard drive, and use the Leopard disk to restore the contents of that drive also. Then I'll be right back where I was before the other drive failed, except I'll be running two brand new hard drives that shouldn't fail for years, I hope! But I'm going to keep those five year warranty papers handy, and I'm going to keep Time Machine on the job! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about how Time Machine works
Thanks John, but in this case it's pretty easy to tell when these drives were made; they both have July 2009 printed right on them, in big red letters! (Must be something new?). Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about how Time Machine works
Thanks Ralph. That article is heavy going for a non-techie like me, but what I seem to get out of it is that these enterprise drives such as the two I bought are built to a higher standard than regular drives, able to run reliably non-stop 24/7 even while enduring higher operating temperatures. If so, the extra cash I spent for them I consider well spent. I was mainly just looking at the extra two years of warranty protection Hitachi provides for them. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about how Time Machine works
John, the not-yet-dead drive in this Mac is a 500-gigger. Big enough, I suppose, to be useful in an external enclosure for archiving something. Or something. Hey, I just dropped by the Apple website to see if I could pick up any pointers on using Time Machine, and it appears that one does not actually have to install Leopard on a new hard drive first in order to summon up a complete backup of a dead drive (including its OS) from Time Machine. Here is the webpage, and the tip is #14 on the FAQ list: http://tinyurl.com/nqf4t6 It says there that you need only insert a Leopard installer disk and boot the Mac from it, and then invoke a utility on that disk called Restore from Backups to prompt Time Machine to call up a complete restore of a drive. So, with two drives backed up in Time Machine, I should be able to boot from the OS installer disk twice, and each time restore the contents of an old drive to its new replacement drive. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about how Time Machine works
Yes, if I can work Time Machine from the Leopard installer disk, you're right, I should be able to restore to both new drives in a single step. What I would do is just install the two new, empty drives, then fire up Time Machine from the installer disk, and tell TM to restore first one disk and then the other. If that's all there is to it, this should be simple. I paid for two-day shipping from OWC, so the drives might show up today. If not, the Labor Day holiday, in which no one labors, including FedEx I presume, will delay their delivery for a few more days, drat it. Whenever they do show up, I'll report here how well the restoration project goes. I have a 1 TB external drive plugged into the firewire slot on the front of the G5, and that's the one that Time Machine backs up to. Your suggestion that the currently working drive in the G5 be backed up to another storage device before trying any of this Time Machine stuff makes good sense, and I'll do that. Thanks. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Question about how Time Machine works
(This is a G5 running 10.5.6). One of my Mac's two internal hard drives dropped dead five days ago, but I had Time Machine keeping track of both of them, so I should be able to get the backed-up data from the dead drive onto the new replacement drive that I will shortly install. Right? (Say right.) Except, I'm not sure how to restore things with Time Machine, since I never did it before, and I was hoping somebody here can answer a question I have before I try it. I have to go back five days in Time Machine to see the last backup of the dead drive, and meanwhile I have five days of additional changes to the other drive. If I go back five days in Time Machine to retrieve the dead drive's data, and I tell TM to Restore it to a replacement drive, will TM restore BOTH drives to the way they were five days ago? I don't want that, I want TM to leave the good drive current. Can I highlight ONLY the 1-gig's backup folder, and tell TM to restore it to the new drive, and it will do that and leave the other drive alone? Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about how Time Machine works
Thanks Bruce. And since I've decided to replace the other drive too, as a precaution (they're both 5 years old), I guess I'll do that twice, once with each drive. Then I'll be back to where I was originally, before the drive failure, only with new drives instead of old ones. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about how Time Machine works
Come to think of it, Bruce, both drives, the dead one and the one still running, have (had) bootable 10.5s on them. Which means that when Time Machine restores the second drive, it will bring in another OS on top of the freshly installed one. I wonder if that will be a problem. Will the two OSs on the same drive fight with each other, or is TM smart enough to combine them, or eliminate one? John, thanks for the advice on buying drives, but I'm too lazy right now to hunt around for hot deals on new ones, and OWC has always been a reliable company, so I just up and ordered up two of these 1-TB ones from them: http://tinyurl.com/dec2kl. There is a cheaper version of the same drive offered there ($87 vs. $139, see http://tinyurl.com/ mjm49f), but you get what you pay for and this model has a 5 year warranty and they brag about a million hours and more before it croaks. So I splurged a little, and with 2-day delivery I ought to be back in business pretty soon (unless I get all tangled up in Time Machine for some reason. . . .). The drive that died, by the way, was a 1 TB Seagate Barracuda, which was in this used G5 (dual 2.0) when I bought it off eBay. No telling how much use it had before I got it, but since the owner was a video editor using Final Cut Pro, I suspect it was a lot. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about how Time Machine works
Thanks again Bruce. When I get the new drives in a day or two I'll report my experience with Time Machine here, in case other people are wondering how well it works. Hey, you're not so irrational as you claim to be, John. That's a good idea, cloning the old working drive to a new drive with Disk Utility. How 'bout this plan, then: I put the first of the new drives in the G5 alongside the old drive that's still working, and clone the old to the new. Then I toss the old drive and put in the second new one, install OS 10.5 on it, and let Time Machine restore the dead drive's data to that one. Then I'm back where I started before the trouble began, except now I have all new drives, and maybe millions of hours before the next crisis. . . maybe. . . I hope. I suppose I could stick the old working drive into an external enclosure and keep on using it, if such can be had cheaply somewhere. Talking about the features of these two new Hitachi Deskstar E7K1000 drives I just bought from OWC, I notice that Hitachi also claims that this more expensive model works well when it's mounted close to another drive (see http://tinyurl.com/dec2kl again). It says there that two drives running close to each other, both vibrating slightly as drives do, can jiggle each other into derangement eventually, or some such thing, and these Deskstar E7K1000s are made to resist that. Or something. This G5 does mount its drives right tight together, one close on top of the other one, so maybe that's a useful feature to have. Heck, I want to feel like I got something great for the extra money. I guess the bigger cache size and the longer warranty are worthwhile, too, and Hitachi does brag about the longevity of this drive, while it is conspicuously silent about the lifespan of the cheaper one, as well as not being willing to warranty it for as long. I'm willing to pay a little extra not to have to go through this dead drive hassle again anytime soon. Let a few million hours go by first, I say. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Dell 24 monitor on sale for $219--good deal or no?
Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/6pja7n. Does Dell make good quality monitors? Anybody got one of these, and can report on it? Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
