On Jan 13, 2009, at 4:25 PM, glen wrote:
Ahem. I spent $138 ($69 per stick, which was a *gargantuan*
steal at
the time) to update my Mac Plus to 512 KB. At those prices, my G4
would take $138,000 to fill up, or very nearly twice the price
of our
house when we bought it.
This was
PeterH wrote:
On Jan 13, 2009, at 4:25 PM, glen wrote:
Ahem. I spent $138 ($69 per stick, which was a *gargantuan*
steal at
the time) to update my Mac Plus to 512 KB. At those prices, my G4
would take $138,000 to fill up, or very nearly twice the price
of our
house when we bought it.
I would like 1GB (2 512s) for my QS ... but OWC says 32-36 per
512 ... which is the same price as last month.
Total for 2 is around $64-72 plus shipping.
A few years ago, I paid $69 (included shipping) for 1 512 stick at DMS.
Maybe I shouldn't wait too long?
Bill Connelly
artsite:
Prices on Ram are volitle. Check in a couple of weeks. Try
www.tigerdirect.com They have mostly PC parts but they have RAM and
some other Mac parts for a good price.
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Steve R mailing.lists.2...@gmail.com wrote:
I was on some sites searching out RAM for my
Steve R wrote:
I was on some sites searching out RAM for my neighbour's iMac less
than two weeks ago and we were both pleased with the Canadian prices
we were able to find. Tonight I went looking for RAM for my iMac
(different specs from his) and the prices have gone through the roof
:20 PM, Steve R mailing.lists.2...@gmail.com Broadcast into
the ether:
I was on some sites searching out RAM for my neighbour's iMac less
than two weeks ago and we were both pleased with the Canadian prices
we were able to find. Tonight I went looking for RAM for my iMac
(different specs from
On Jan 11, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote:
RAM manufacturers frequently move forward. By that I mean that if
you order
DDR2-3 it will be less expensive then PC-133 in most cases. There
is like a
RAM curve. Where cutting edge machines RAM cost a little bit more
then
machines
-added RAM is ECC, rather than non-ECC as
specified in my manual, but this doesn't seem to be causing any
dramas . . .
Any idea what the implications of this might be?
PS Thanks for the Crucial link - very informative, cleared up many
other issues I've been unsure of in the past
Cheers JM
files with no problems
I've noticed the newly-added RAM is ECC, rather than non-ECC as
specified in my manual, but this doesn't seem to be causing any
dramas . . .
Any idea what the implications of this might be?
PS Thanks for the Crucial link - very informative, cleared up many
other issues
I've been offered a free 1GB PC3200 memory module for my G4 Mac Dual
1Gb MDD, and have been assured that it is compatible. However, my
manual states that this model uses PC2700 RAM and that the maximum
size module available is 512Mb.
Anybody have experience with this upgrade method
On 4-Jan-09, at 3:05 PM, artemis wrote:
I've been offered a free 1GB PC3200 memory module for my G4 Mac Dual
1Gb MDD, and have been assured that it is compatible. However, my
manual states that this model uses PC2700 RAM and that the maximum
size module available is 512Mb.
Anybody have
At 3:54 PM -0500 1/4/09, Tony Gamble wrote:
On 4-Jan-09, at 3:05 PM, artemis wrote:
I've been offered a free 1GB PC3200 memory module for my G4 Mac Dual
1Gb MDD, and have been assured that it is compatible. However, my
manual states that this model uses PC2700 RAM and that the maximum
Gamble wrote:
On 4-Jan-09, at 3:05 PM, artemis wrote:
I've been offered a free 1GB PC3200 memory module for my G4 Mac Dual
1Gb MDD, and have been assured that it is compatible. However, my
manual states that this model uses PC2700 RAM and that the maximum
size module available is 512Mb
Hello Tony -
Thanks for the clarification. Does it matter that it's a 400MHz
module, rather than the 333MHz specified in my manual?
And is the fact that it's Dual Channel an issue? Appreciate your
advice.
It certainly won't fry your Mac, as PC3200 is backwards compatible
with PC2700.
On Jan 1, 2009, at 11:26 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote:
Wonder why it says your RAM is probably fine?
I've heard good things about OWC, so I think they will prolly
send me a new one. I did not remove the sticker that sez
don't remove.
Its probably a mistake/misleading comment inserted
On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:28 PM, insightinmind wrote:
Did not yet zap the pram, etc. because things be fine with the old
chip.
I believe every time your replace a RAM stick, you need to zap the
PRAM.
No you don't.
--
Bruce Johnson
No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai
On Jan 2, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:28 PM, insightinmind wrote:
Did not yet zap the pram, etc. because things be fine with the old
chip.
I believe every time your replace a RAM stick, you need to zap the
PRAM.
No you don't.
That's good to know
At 6:49 AM -0500 1/2/2009, insightinmind wrote:
AFAIK ... When you remove the battery, I don't believe you need to
also push the CUDA.
Correct, IF the main power to the computer is removed.
When the main power is AWOL, the Power Management Unit (PMU) and the
PRAM run off the battery. If you
with the old
chip.
I believe every time your replace a RAM stick, you need to zap the PRAM.
Did not do the Qtip with Isopropyl Alcohol yet (what is this, a
Ninendo64?) but if you guys think I should do it, okay.
Somehow I think it is contacting all right, or the Tests would have
remarked absence
On Jan 1, 2009, at 5:28 PM, insightinmind wrote:
IMO, If you replaced the suspected bad stick, with one that works for
awhile (in the same RAM slot tested with Memtest), then put the
suspected bad one back in the same RAM slot, and Memtest fails, I'd
say it was a bad stick.
Hey, there - I
document lists virtual RAM and RAM disk and disk
cache and 32-bit addressing as being stored in PRAM which hints at the
connection to newly installed RAM but the connection to the hardware
itself is not clearly stated:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379?viewlocale=en_US
On Jan 1, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
What you do need to do when changing memory is push the button to
reset the CUDA button on those machines that have it. I don't know
off hand which do and don't.
Could also just remove battery for a few minutes (Apple suggested 10).
Bill
battery?) - OWC didn't say to do any of these things, I followed
their directions very carefully.
Thanks for any input.
Anne Keller Smith
Down to Earth Web Design
G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower
896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11
Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo
1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5
On Jan 1, 2009, at 4:35 PM, g3-5-list group wrote:
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Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 1:33 pm
From: Anne Keller-Smith
Is it time to contact OWC for a replacement or is there something
else to do? Oh, right, look in System logs.
Hi Anne:
I would call OWC, describe what you've done, run
Quicksilver 733mHz Tower
896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11
Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo
1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5
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suggest using
the telephone as opposed to email?) do you think I should look for
the CUDA button or yank the battery? Or leave well enough alone?
One other thing I might do just to assuage my curiosity, altho I'm
not sure my back will take it, is swap the RAM cards again and run
AppleJack one more
On Jan 1, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote:
*** Address Test Failed *** One or more DIMM address lines are non-
functional.
Sounds like a raw hardware issue and other web sites agree.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6091706
On Jan 1, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote:
*** Address Test Failed *** One or more DIMM address lines are non-
functional.
*** Memory Test Failed *** Please check logfile for details.
Memory test was successfull. Your RAM is probably fine.
Done. -0-
Exiting the script
From: Anne Keller-Smith
Yanked the stick, put old one back in, Mac worked fine for several
days. Just reinstalled the stick, made sure well seated, made sure no
dust with newly purchased air can.
In two minutes, Firefox crashed yet again.
That would be enough for me to conclude it is the
On Jan 1, 2009, at 6:52 PM, insightinmind wrote:
On Jan 1, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote:
*** Address Test Failed *** One or more DIMM address lines are non-
functional.
*** Memory Test Failed *** Please check logfile for details.
Memory test was successfull. Your RAM
for details.
Memory test was successfull. Your RAM is probably fine.
Done. -0-
Exiting the script.
Restarting localhost
*** GOODBYE FROM APPLEJACK
***
What does this mean?
Nearly all the lines above the end synopsis said FAILURE.
Memory test was successfull
Wonder why it says your RAM is probably fine?
I've heard good things about OWC, so I think they will prolly
send me a new one. I did not remove the sticker that sez
don't remove.
On Jan 1, 2009, at 9:52 PM, insightinmind wrote:
On Jan 1, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote
Just got and installed a RAM stick from OWC and it makes the Mac run
like a Dream. However, Firefox and Dreamweaver keep quitting
unexpectedly, behavior unknown before the install. What do you all
think?
:@(
Anne Keller Smith
Down to Earth Web Design
G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower
896 MB
Remove the stick and observe. If the behavior changes, then yes, it
may be a bad stick.
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Anne Keller-Smith earth...@ptd.net wrote:
Just got and installed a RAM stick from OWC and it makes the Mac run
like a Dream. However, Firefox and Dreamweaver keep quitting
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Anne Keller-Smith earth...@ptd.net wrote:
Just got and installed a RAM stick from OWC and it makes the Mac run
like a Dream. However, Firefox and Dreamweaver keep quitting
unexpectedly, behavior unknown before the install. What do you all
think
At 12:45 AM -0500 12/29/2008, Anne Keller-Smith wrote:
G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower
896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11
Just got and installed a RAM stick from OWC and it makes the Mac run
like a Dream. However,
After installing the stick, did you run any diagnostics - AHT or Memtest
Hi -
Trying to install Adobe CS. I thought I was all ready, have 896 MB of
RAM.
It sez here (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/design/
systemreqs/?promoid=DRHWP)
1GB of RAM or more recommended so why won't the Installer let me
install?
It doesn't say required.
Any workaround
My Reply follows quote. On 19/12/2008 17:02 earth...@ptd.net said:
Hi -
Trying to install Adobe CS. I thought I was all ready, have 896 MB of
RAM.
It sez here (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/design/
systemreqs/?promoid=DRHWP)
1GB of RAM or more recommended so why won't
Your best bet is to get a 256 MB RAM module and replace the 128 MB RAM module
with it, or if you have four RAM slots, add another 128 MB RAM module. I just
took the RAM in my G$ Sawtooth from 896 RAM to 1.5 GB RAM. It has four slots,
so the first two slots are 512 MB RAM modules and the last
Trying to install Adobe CS. I thought I was all ready, have 896 MB of
RAM.
It sez here (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/design/
systemreqs/?promoid=DRHWP)
1GB of RAM or more recommended so why won't the Installer let me
install?
CS4 doesn't work on your Quicksilver. you
Hi! Yeah, I see it but I could have sworn my machine passed the
requirements. I checked them again and again.
But oh well.
Anne Keller Smith
Down to Earth Web Design
G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower
896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11
Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo
1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive
Hi! Yeah, I see it but I could have sworn my machine passed the
requirements. I checked them again and again.
Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo
1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5
This machine was not mentioned in the original post. CS4 should
install in an intel iMac.
One thing I noticed
On Dec 19, 2008, at 8:14 PM, Mike Baker wrote:
Your best bet is to get a 256 MB RAM module and replace the 128 MB
RAM module with it, or if you have four RAM slots, add another 128
MB RAM module. I just took the RAM in my G$ Sawtooth from 896 RAM
to 1.5 GB RAM. It has four slots, so
The G3 B/W tower and several early G4 towers all use PC100 memory, but
Other World Computing distinguishes between G3 and Yikes on one hand,
and AGP and Gigabit on the other. They don't recommend using the same
RAM in all of these, and told me that the programming and design of
the memory cards
Paul writes,
The G3 B/W tower and several early G4 towers all use PC100 memory, but
Other World Computing distinguishes between G3 and Yikes on one hand,
and AGP and Gigabit on the other. They don't recommend using the same
RAM in all of these, and told me that the programming and design
On Dec 12, 2008, at 1:37 AM, Paul wrote:
The G3 B/W tower and several early G4 towers all use PC100 memory, but
Other World Computing distinguishes between G3 and Yikes on one hand,
and AGP and Gigabit on the other. They don't recommend using the same
RAM in all of these, and told me
I'm sure this has been asked before ... but ... since others are
talking about upgrades to their G4s ...
Curious if CL2 will mix ok with CL3 with regards SDRAM (under OS X
10.5).
I need to buy 2 replacement sticks of 512MB RAM for my QS Dual 1GHz.
The good remaining one (as was the bad 2
On Dec 9, 2008, at 7:36 AM, insightinmind wrote:
I'm sure this has been asked before ... but ... since others are
talking about upgrades to their G4s ...
Curious if CL2 will mix ok with CL3 with regards SDRAM (under OS X
10.5).
I need to buy 2 replacement sticks of 512MB RAM for my QS
that will NOT work in a
Mac. Works fine in some PCs but not others.
The non working ram is most likely high density, and Macs require low
density ram. There are also some pcs that can not use high density.
From what I have gathered, Apple choose to implement only a subset
of the pc133 ram
corrupted by
the Startup kp (caused by the bad RAM)?
That's the kind of maintenance OnyX might help with ... just wondered
if other things might be need to be considered.
Keep an eye on your system, but if it runs without errors, you're
generally fine.
Will do.
Also in the QS, I had recently
insightinmind wrote:
After you discover you've been operating with bad RAM, what do you do to
recover confidence in your files, system?
I'm running Leopard 10.5.5 on a QS Dual 1GHz and recently removed a bad
RAM stick discovered while trying to fix ... well, everything else.
Run OnyX
On Oct 13, 2008, at 10:19 PM, Paul wrote:
Apparently the G4 firmware update stopped allowing the use of CL2 RAM
that couldn't also run at CL3:
http://chrislawson.net/writing/techref/010503.shtml
This is a lot like what happened with the RAM modules. As best
anyone can tell (and nobody
Apparently the G4 firmware update stopped allowing the use of CL2 RAM
that couldn't also run at CL3:
http://chrislawson.net/writing/techref/010503.shtml
I recently had some mysterious crashes on a Pentium III PC where a
likely cause was having this kind of memory mixed with CL3 memory.
Here's
Hey Simon...
On Oct 8, 2008, at 7:18 , Simon Royal wrote:
Hi.
I've always bought Mac RAM. However, slap the word Mac on RAM and
it's price hits the roof.
Heh... just like parts for my, long gone, Ford Thunderbird Turbo
Coupe. An alternator for my little black 'Bird went from $125
On Oct 9, 2008, at 4:17 AM, g3-5-list group wrote:
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 1:07 am
From: Simon Royal
Peter
I know the differences between SDRAM, DDR, DDR2, 144pin, 168pin,
200pin and 240pin.
You do get PC RAM and Mac RAM, in the sense that some sticks will
work
On Oct 9, 10:21 am, Ted Treen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Buying Apple-branded RAM is an exercise in expensive futility. So is playing
around with anonymous RAM by trial error.
Far better to visit Crucial's website
http://www.crucial.com(orhttp://www.crucial.com/ukfor those on my side
On Oct 8, 2008, at 7:18 PM, Simon Royal wrote:
Hi.
I've always bought Mac RAM. However, slap the word Mac on RAM and
it's price hits the roof.
In looking for 256MB and 512MB sticks of PC100/133 desktop RAM, will
PC RAM work as it is dirt cheap? Is there anything to look
- Original Message
From: Al [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: G3-5 List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2008 2:56:03 PM
Subject: Re: PC RAM?
On Oct 9, 4:07 am, Simon Royal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peter
I know the differences between SDRAM, DDR, DDR2, 144pin, 168pin
On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Things go awry when vendors do not comply with the
technical design standards.
NO!
Really? So you're saying if RAM violates JEDEC specs it will still
function normally. Interesting. I wonder how they do that.
You REALLY don't get
At 3:18 AM +0100 10/9/2008, Simon Royal wrote:
I've always bought Mac RAM. However, slap the word Mac on RAM and
it's price hits the roof.
In looking for 256MB and 512MB sticks of PC100/133 desktop RAM, will
PC RAM work as it is dirt cheap? Is there anything to look for. I
know older
On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Dan wrote:
Each PC- monikor is a *family*, that includes a range of
specifications. The family specifications are published / controlled
by Intel.
These are controlled by the industry standards group, JEDEC, of which
Intel is a minor participant as it got
On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Dan wrote:
Do NOT use:
Parity, ECC, registered or buffered SDRAM DIMMs. Parity is
not a problem. ECC, registered and buffered use a different socket
key.
256 Mb technology, 32-bit wide, EDO or FPM. none of these
would fit the socket, anyway.
At 9:51 AM -0400 10/9/2008, Len Gerstel wrote:
I am not a memory geek, but the underlying theory is that low density
memory is better
No. Higher density chips support faster access times and higher life-cycles.
and that is why Apple required it.
Apple was just being cheap on the controller,
At 12:23 PM -0700 10/9/2008, PeterH wrote:
On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Dan wrote:
Each PC- monikor is a *family*, that includes a range of
specifications. The family specifications are published / controlled
by Intel.
These are controlled by the industry standards group, JEDEC, of
of the commodity RAM
business, but it was still making loads of RAM for its servers, which
still used the older EDO/FPM spec.
Apple was thereby forced to design its own DRAM controller, and it
elected to use PC66 SDRAM. Later, it specified PC100 and PC133 SDRAM
as its products matured
, but not corrected.
Parity was not mandated, however, and if legacy EDO/FPM was
installed in ANY RAM position, parity was turned off for all of RAM.
Apple later used ECC in its G5s.
With many implementations of ECC, every single-bit error can be
detected AND corrected, while every double-bit errors can
At 11:02 PM -0700 10/8/2008, PeterH wrote:
On Oct 8, 2008, at 7:54 PM, Ken wrote:
Well, PC100/133 is pretty specific. It is not PC RAM. It is RAM.
PC66/PC100/PC133 is SDRAM.
Higher levels of RAM may be DDR, DDR2 or DDR3.
They are ALL sticks of synchronous dynamic random access memory, aka
for a new one, I would like to cram it with as much RAM and
oomph as possible.
So if anyone has any spare 256 or 512 (I know its pushing it)
PC100/133 can you let me know.
Simon
Try the LEM Swap list. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good luck!
--
Bill Christensen
http://greenbuilder.com/contact/
Green Building
Howdy,
I went through some SDRAM DIMMs I had as spares and found some similar
chips. They are not exactly the same, but I can almost certainly give
you part of the information about your memory.
The -8 is on PC100 memory modules and that makes sense for two
reasons. 80 nanoseconds plus a
Thanks!
I'll just leave them in the PII.
At least now I know (roughly) how much RAM it has in it.
On 9/25/08, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Howdy,
I went through some SDRAM DIMMs I had as spares and found some similar
chips. They are not exactly the same, but I can almost certainly give
On Sep 25, 2008, at 5:18 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote:
The -8 is on PC100 memory modules and that makes sense for two
reasons.
-75 is PC133.
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to once again basically pry out that RAM stick since it fits
tightly whereas the one next to it comes out easily*
On 9/24/08, J.M.P.Hissel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 24-09-2008 06:27, Stephen Conrad, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:
I have tried several Google searches with the info I posted
side of the module
On 9/24/08, Stephen Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*Sighs*
The similar (slightly different number) one I did find stated the
seller and size.
*Goes to once again basically pry out that RAM stick since it fits
tightly whereas the one next to it comes out easily*
On 9/24/08
the size of the other module from the
total RAM and get the size, and then assume the speed is the same (or
look at the last digits on one of the four chips, they designate the
speed in nanoseconds, which you should be able to convert to a
standard module speed
On Sep 24, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:
I don't remember offhand.
I have not set up this machine.
I was given this machine and I forgot to ask what amount of RAM it has
(or what size HD)
I was just going through other computers I have sitting around seeing
if I have some RAM I
I believe the other RAM stick in the PII was a 64M PC100 DIMM
Either way, was just wondering what size this other one is since it is
in the same machine.
On 9/24/08, Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 24, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:
I don't remember offhand.
I have
On 23-09-2008 03:15, Stephen Conrad, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:
I found another stick of RAM in a PC
This is on the sticker
G0162.1 5000236
VT QC 53251
A Google search turns up a similar number on some RAM but not this exact one.
What do I have here?
To determine your RAM in an exact
On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:
On 9/23/08, J.M.P.Hissel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 23-09-2008 03:15, Stephen Conrad, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:
I found another stick of RAM in a PC
This is on the sticker
G0162.1 5000236
VT QC 53251
A Google search turns up
On 9/23/08, Len Gerstel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:
On 9/23/08, J.M.P.Hissel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 23-09-2008 03:15, Stephen Conrad, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:
I found another stick of RAM in a PC
This is on the sticker
G0162.1
PC3200 are also (generally) backwards-compatible with PC2100, which began to
be used on the first G4 MDD model (867MHz). The PC3200 will downclock to
PC2100 speed. However, Mac OS X tends to be quite particular about RAM
timings, so your mileage may vary.
- Tony
http://music.download.com
I will soon be in the market for a G4 (I have a 300 MHz Smurf that is
maxxed out on RAM).
The RAM in the G4 will HAVE to be more than the Smurf has (thus the
question I am about to ask)
I have come across 3 sticks of RAM
2 are labeled 256 MB DDR 400 CL3
At the top of the sticker PC3200U
Stephen Conrad wrote:
I will soon be in the market for a G4 (I have a 300 MHz Smurf that is
maxxed out on RAM).
The RAM in the G4 will HAVE to be more than the Smurf has (thus the
question I am about to ask)
I have come across 3 sticks of RAM
2 are labeled 256 MB DDR 400 CL3
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