Hi,
Just FYI, I often spell words wrong in my games. The most common would be reed
instead of read. You know so that it says;
Do you wish to reed the instructions?
instead of
Do you wish to red the instructions?
The English language is so screwy, it is amazing that anyone can learn it, and
but it bothers me that the best possible first
impression isn't made. BTW there are a couple typos below.
Constructively meant
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From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hey, All.
Here is a email that I am going to send to the developer of the IOS
apps Gamebook Adventures.
And since you have something to say about my messages I am asking
please email the developer aswell so these text games will be made
, December 17, 2011 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hello Mr. Ward,
I absolutely disagree with the idea that you have told us about the
proofreading guideline. We should implement the idea, because if we do not
implement the said idea you are talking about, more
, December 17, 2011 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hello Mr. Ward,
I absolutely disagree with the idea that you have told us about the
proofreading guideline. We should implement the idea, because if we do not
implement the said idea you are talking about, more
I completely concure on the points suggested, such as putting proofreading
elements in the guidelines. However, I think we are all probably taking
this a little too far, although I could be wrong. I just don't want people
posting to the list and having to check several things, and thus getting
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
I completely concure on the points suggested, such as putting proofreading
elements in the guidelines. However, I think we are all probably taking
Hello,
I would like to add my perspective on this topic about proofreading.
I have noticed, throughout my stay on the list, that we have people who
are known to be foreigners. They have little knowledge of our English
language. If we implement this guideline, does that not make it hard on
One question, is this a gaming list or English list.
Just because Charles gets his nose bent on reading email by people in
other countries. Don't mean we put this crap in the guidelines.
If you want that rule Charles. Then start your own list and you will
be happy to know. Your the only member!
Hi Alfredo,
They can use a grammar checking software if they want to.
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From: Alfredo_The_Music_maker birdlover2...@hotmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken
Hi i am finding this topic very useful. it's helping me realize where i go
wrong when i right. As i said in a previus post i like to right stories so
things like this are very useful for me, i do not mind constructive crittisisum
but i do hate it when people publicly slam some one for there
...@hotmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hello,
I would like to add my perspective on this topic about proofreading.
I have noticed, throughout my stay on the list, that we have
...@columbus.rr.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
One question, is this a gaming list or English list.
Just because Charles gets his nose bent on reading email by people in
other
, and makes me more presentable at the same time.
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From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
I completely concure on the points
.
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From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hey, All.
Here is a email that I am going to send to the developer of the IOS apps
Gamebook Adventures
are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second.
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From: Joseph Weaver jweaver1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
You failed my test and did
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hi Chris
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
ONe point which we are all seming to miss is the blind complain factor why
should we be taken seriously when blind people can be the biggest wingers
this side of th egalaxy.
Lisa Hayes
, 2011 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
I receive a few hundred Emails on most days, and there are some Emails
that, when I see that they are written by certain people, I hit the delete
key. I already know that I won't be able to understand them because
Hi,
I always check messages after I have finished them, to make sure they
are readable, and in case I want to add anything extra in.
As far as spell checking goes, I actually don't use an in built spell
checker for checking my typing, unless I am in word for example.
A far more useful
be corrected
when you see the mistake that you have found in you're writing.
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From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously
.
- Original Message - From: Joseph Weaver jweaver1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
You failed my test and did exactly what I thought you would. I am
: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
One question, is this a gaming list or English list.
Just because Charles gets his nose bent on reading email by people in
other countries. Don't mean we put this crap in the guidelines.
If you want
.
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From: Joseph Weaver jweaver1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Don't flame michael and I will not flame you. My screen reader read the
post fine
: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
If you have been reading messages that I have posted, you would have seen
that on at least 2 occasions, I have very
] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hi Chris,
All good points. I'd like to add that I'm on a number of technology
lists and forums, and I largely read and respond to e-mails based on
reputation. By reputation I mean weather the person can write clearly,
if there aren't a lot of grammar
am
only trying to help you here.
- Original Message - From: Joseph Weaver jweaver1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
You failed my test and did exactly
AM
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Don't flame michael and I will not flame you. My screen reader read the
post fine so you need to stop letting the shark bite you in the butt.
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18, 2011 9:18 AM
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Do we seriously have to have this bash michael party every few month.
This is why I don't play your games or talk much because you guys are just
looking for people to tear down. That's why I will only ever play Jims
flying around.
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From: Joseph Weaver jweaver1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Don't flame michael and I will not flame you. My screen reader
: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
I disagree you all do this to him all the time.
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Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Charles, while checking for understandability is all well and good...
there's a fine line between lack of that and simple spelling errors.
Unless it is a major one
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Charles, while checking for understandability is all well and good...
there's a fine line between lack of that and simple spelling errors.
Unless
Hello Charles,
I agree with what you have said as well.
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From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
If that was stated
: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
I receive a few hundred Emails on most days, and there are some Emails
that, when I see that they are written by certain people, I hit the
delete key. I already know that I won't be able to understand them
because of their lack of communication skills
...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Joseph Weaver
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 12:23 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
I disagree you all do this to him all the time.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 18, 2011
: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
I completely concure on the points suggested, such as putting
proofreading
elements in the guidelines. However, I think we are all probably taking
this a little too far, although I could be wrong. I just don't want
people
posting to the list
Amen to this. You have my full agreement.
- Original Message -
From: Jeremy Hartley jeremyhart...@comcast.net
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 11:14 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hello All,
I have been
Hi
I agree with you all 100%.
Happy holidays from the United States!
Alfredo
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From: Jeremy Hartley jeremyhart...@comcast.net
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 1:14 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hello All,
I have been a member of this list since 2000 or 2001, whenever this list
in
all
Hi Jeremy,
Yes, you definitely raise some very good points in your message. As
you pointed out the biggest problem in communicating with sighted
developers and the public at large is ignorance on their part. Most
sighted people have never met a blind person before, and even if they
have there is
.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hi Jeremy,
Yes, you definitely raise
are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second.
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hi Jeremy,
Yes, you
Everyone,
Thomas is totally correct below; as a sighted person, my first
impression several years ago of this list was not good, and it was
directly related to grammar, punctuation, and spelling problems in
postings. I understand that readers don't always read out certain
types of mistakes and
Jeremy Hartley wrote an excellent post on the way that sighted people
view blind gamers and what blind gamers need to do to interact with game
developers.
I know that I, as a sighted person, have learned a great deal from the
people on this forum. I joined this forum and others to improve
I could drink to that LOL.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
- Original Message -
From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously
Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Your post is a very good example of what what some of us have tried so hard
to get across to other gamers, and I really
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Your post is a very good example of what what some of us have tried so
hard to get across to other gamers, and I really appreciate it! Thank you
Hi all,
I'm Lorenzo Bellincampi, founder of Shard Workshop, an audiogame
development project. Maybe someone of you already knows me.
This is an interesting topic Jeremy, and I wanted to add the point of view
of a developer.
I agree with a lot of what you said, especially the part in which you say
10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
I agree. I'll be the first to admit I've probably more than occasionally
shot off such messages but I like to think I generally at least try to
proofread beforehand because I'd much rather be understood than do the
convenient
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Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Everyone,
Thomas is totally correct below; as a sighted person, my first
impression several years ago of this list was not good, and it was
directly related to grammar
I have a couple of thoughts to add to this otherwise excellent post.
First of all, if anyone is feeling that all this is intensely unfair,
sighted folk use these same judgment metrics with one another. As someone
who has taught both blind and sighted people how to write resumes and cover
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Hi I agree with this as well. I will go one step further and admit that my
spelling is not grate either. thank goodness for spell check. and I also
agree that I to have shot off messages before with out spell checking them
first. so I can
are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second.
- Original Message -
From: Mich mi...@eastlink.ca
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hi I agree with this as well. I will go
Hello Jeremy and all.
This is an excellent post and one that I hope everyone on here reads through at
least once. It is true that just like any other group there are all kinds of
blind people and we are spread across every imaginable age level, education
level, amount of experience/social
Hi well if that had been added to the guide lines i would not have been angry
there is an email simming group i use to be on and i was kicked off for my in
proper grammer i was younger then so did not care now i do. a lot of the time
my bad righting is because i don't know how to spell a word
.
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hi Jeremy,
Yes, you definitely raise some very good points in your message
Hi Ian.
Punctuation is as important as good grammar and spelling. I found your
message hard to follow.
As a rule of thumb I skip messages if someone did not bother with at
least getting most of the punctuation and spelling right. My reasoning
which is wrong in many cases I'm sure, follows that
hmm. Well... Um.
What are you trying to prove here?
On 12/17/11, Willem Venter dwill...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ian.
Punctuation is as important as good grammar and spelling. I found your
message hard to follow.
As a rule of thumb I skip messages if someone did not bother with at
least getting
Sorry, my reply was to the last message from shiny protector
Hello Mr. Ward,
I absolutely disagree with the idea that you have told us about the
proofreading guideline. We should implement the idea, because if we do
not implement the said idea you are talking about, more messages with
poor
dwill...@gmail.com
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Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Sorry, my reply was to the last message from shiny protector
Hello Mr. Ward,
I absolutely disagree with the idea that you have
, but here's an idea that I just came up with 2 minutes ago
which I don't have all the details for.
- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers
: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Personally, I think that proofreading should be in the guidelines to
improve clarity. Those who are offended by it are the ones that have the
problem. It's not up to the reader to figure out what is being said, it's
up to the author
support implementation of proofreading as
part of the guidelines. Or at least spellchecking..
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From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being
Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
I love this. What you've said is a very valid and good point. I think
for me as a beginner in learning how game developing works, I've
always just been used to the playing games side, and I don't know much
of the computer
gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hi Ian.
Punctuation is as important as good grammar and spelling. I found your
message hard to follow.
As a rule of thumb I skip messages if someone did not bother
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Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
hmm. Well... Um.
What are you trying to prove here?
On 12/17/11, Willem Venter dwill...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ian.
Punctuation
Hi Thomas,
I for one agree with adding the guideline about proofreading posts
before sending them to the list, because good communication skills
are important, especially for us when we're dealing with sighted
people. I'll admit I never actually read a post of mine, but I'm
also a very good
Wait, he wrote an article? How on earth did I miss this? darn! Could someone
point me to it? thanks!
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Who wrote an article? In short, I can't see the original message Yohandy
replied to.
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On Dec 17, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Yohandy wrote:
Wait, he wrote an article? How on earth did I miss this? darn! Could someone
You guys need to quit targeting michael and get off your high horses, it seems
like you only discuss this issue after his posts, I don't have any trouble
understanding them. Y'alls problem is that you love to complain to much, now
of you don't understand maybe next time he should speak in
Thanks! Joseph for saying that to everyone on the list.
It's funny that everyone on here bashes me for my typing skills, but
when I get on here and ask other IOS users to please contact developers
with me about making their games accessible it seems to me that if
their was a problem with the
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Thanks! Joseph for saying that to everyone on the list.
It's funny that everyone on here bashes me for my typing skills, but when
I get on here and ask other IOS users
commentary, then go elsewhere.
Chris Bartlett
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Joseph Weaver
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:21 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken
Hey, All.
Here is a email that I am going to send to the developer of the IOS
apps Gamebook Adventures.
And since you have something to say about my messages I am asking
please email the developer aswell so these text games will be made accessible.
Here is the web address for the Gamebook
, 2011 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Thanks! Joseph for saying that to everyone on the list.
It's funny that everyone on here bashes me for my typing skills, but when
I get on here and ask other IOS users to please contact developers with me
about making
my commentary, then go elsewhere.
Chris Bartlett
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Joseph Weaver
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:21 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers
Hi Chris,
All good points. I'd like to add that I'm on a number of technology
lists and forums, and I largely read and respond to e-mails based on
reputation. By reputation I mean weather the person can write clearly,
if there aren't a lot of grammar and spelling errors, and weather or
not the
Hello Joseph and all,
Watch the name calling. If I see another post like this one you will
be placed on moderated status. there are more constructive ways of
getting your point across without resorting to name calling.
Further more while you have the freedom of speech it does not extend
to
Hi Michael,
That's definitely more like what we have been suggesting. :D
On 12/17/11, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote:
Hey, All.
Here is a email that I am going to send to the developer of the IOS
apps Gamebook Adventures.
And since you have something to say about my messages I am
Hey, Thomas.
Thanks for your imput!
I think we should put a end to this subject before it gets out of hand.
I am done talking about this matter and I am ready to talk gaming.
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Michael,
Not everyone reacts the same way. Some people may be willing to
overlook your communication skills, and others may not overlook it.
All we are saying it is a good idea to get into the habit of preparing
professional looking documents when contacting a developer or business
with a request
Hi Laurel,
Fortunately, there are plenty of people on list who have those skills.
I imagine if you ask there is likely someone who can help give you
pointers, examples, and help educate you so you can improve your
communication skills with a developer. Its like anything else in life.
the more you
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
You failed my test and did exactly what I thought you would. I am a
southerner so that word is pretty common.
Now that your done judging me and my friend michael who he and I live in
the same town since we were kids. I am going
Hi,
You are exactly right. a blind gamer can't just send a mainstream
developer a vague or half-baked suggestion for adding accessibility
when chances are they don't even know that accessible games exist let
alone how to create one. I've gone through college level programming
courses, and I can
Hello All,
I have been a member of this list since 2000 or 2001, whenever this list in
all of the many forms was begun. I have also been a business owner, a
professional musician, and now work as a computer trainer for blind and
sighted individuals. As you may guess, since I am on this list, I
A well thought out article. thank you. its fantastic to see that at
least one other agrees with the things my friends and i have been saying
for years.
my best regards to you.
Dallas
On 17/12/2011 17:14, Jeremy Hartley wrote:
Hello All,
I have been a member of this list since 2000 or 2001,
Hi i agree with this to although could not have put it as well smiley.
Ian McNamara
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