Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
I would hope that this would be more of a guideline encouraging people to proofread their emails rather than a hard and fast rule, because where do you draw the line on coming down on someone? One mispelled word? Two? A misused comma? Don't get me wrong, I am a huge proponent of proofing what you write. it's a good, courteous habit to start laying down, but do you really want to create that much more work for yourselves? Warmly, Meka - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Hello Mr. Ward, I absolutely disagree with the idea that you have told us about the proofreading guideline. We should implement the idea, because if we do not implement the said idea you are talking about, more messages with poor grammar, punctuation and spelling may be sent fourth to people and this mailing list. I, myself, may not be perfect in my writing, but my writing is extremely satisfactory these days. My point is, even if people find the guideline highly insulting or highly agitating, the guideline should still be implemented into the guidelines for the audyssey list. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Hi Jeremy, Yes, you definitely raise some very good points in your message. As you pointed out the biggest problem in communicating with sighted developers and the public at large is ignorance on their part. Most sighted people have never met a blind person before, and even if they have there is no way of knowing what their experience was if any. Its our job to correct their impressions through by educating them a step at a time, and to do it in a way that makes us look like intelligent, competent, and mature individuals who have something worthwhile to say about their products and services. Its for that reason every time I see a poorly written message on Audyssey or some other access list I inwardly cringe. I can't tell you how many blind individuals just shoot off a message filled with poor grammar, lack of proper punctuation, and spelling errors. Like it or not if a sighted person reads those messages we will be judged one and all as not very intelligent, as lacking communication skills, etc. Bottom line, if we want the mainstream public's respect we have to work for it, and not forgo proper language and writing skills for convenience sake. Here at Audyssey we considered adding proofreading to the list guidelines to improve the quality and clarity of the posts. Unfortunately, there were some individuals that took serious offense to that, and felt that the moderators were going too far. All I can draw from their reaction is they don't care about being taken seriously and want the rest of the sighted world to view us negatively, because that's exactly what will happen if they send a poorly written message to a person or company who has no experience with the blind. In short, good communication skills will go a long ways to bridging the gap between the blind and sighted communities. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Swamp: Custom Keymap
I submit for your experimentation my keymap file. A lot of commands have been moved around and grouped into specific keyboard regions, and the most common functions have been made more readily accessible. beacons were migrated to the F keys, and a lot of commands for navigation have lost their shift-key combination. Radar functions have been moved onto the six-key group above the arrows, which in theory should tie in well with the cursor group usage for activating the radar. The descriptive layout is below. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6855861/keyconfig.ini BEACONS: Direction to Beacon: B Safe Zone: F1 Bridge: F2 church: F3 Factory: F4 Kai-Mart: F5 Auto-mart: F6 Pet Store: F7 Hardware Store: F8 Gas Station: F9 Sam's House: F10 Lily's House: F11 Jennifer's House: F12 INFORMATION: Announce Health and Armour: Tab Ammo Report: Q Announce Location Name (Where am I?): W Announce Direction Facing: E Announce Zombie Kills: Z Announce Experience and Reputation: X Announce Coordinates: C Mission Report: M NAVIGATION: Move Forward: Right Mouse Button Sidestep Left: S Sidestep Right: F Turn 45 Degrees Left: A Turn 45 Degrees Right: G Retreat (move backwards): D Toggle Walk/Run: Alt + E RADAR: Building Guide: Home Deactivate Radar: Delete Scan Near Ahead: Up Arrow Scan Near Right: Right Arrow Scan Near Left: Left Arrow Scan Near Behind: Down Arrow Scan Immediate Area: End Scan Far Ahead: Alt + Up Arrow Scan Far Right: Alt + Right Arrow Scan Far Left: Alt + Left Arrow Scan Far Behind: Alt + Down Arrow Scan General Area: Alt + End RADIO: Broadcast Message: / (Slash) List Online Players: Shift + / (Slash) Toggle Radio Mode: Alt + / (Slash) Read Previous Message: ; (Semicolon) or Page Up Read Next Message: ' (Apostrophe) or Page Down Previous Channel: Alt + ; (Semicolon) Next Channel: Alt + ' (Apostrophe) WEAPONS: Fire Weapon: Left Mouse Button Reload Weapon: R Unload Weapon: Shift + R Toggle Weapon Mode: T Field Kit: ` (Grave accent) Draw Axe: 1 Draw Pistol: 2 Draw MP5: 3 Draw Hunting Rifle: 4 Draw Assault rifle: 5 Draw Shotgun: 6 Draw Benelli: 7 Draw Sniper's Rifle: 8 Draw M-60: 9 Draw Vulcan Minigun: 0 Draw Chainsaw: - (Dash) OTHER COMMANDS: Change Screen Reader: Pause Toggle Music: \ (Back Slash) Safe Zone Menu: Enter Speak Vocal Message: V Previous game Message: [ (Left Bracket) Next Game Message: ] (Right bracket) Kai --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hello, In my opinion, it depends on the magnitude of the mistake. If it is 1 misspelled word, then it will not be a problem for the list. However, if it is 3, 4, 5, misspelled words, then the line should be drawn their. Also, in my opinion, one or two punctuation mistakes are fine by me. Please tell me if I am not clear enough, I will try to be more clear next time. - Original Message - From: Meka White, LMP m...@melodicmassage.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? I would hope that this would be more of a guideline encouraging people to proofread their emails rather than a hard and fast rule, because where do you draw the line on coming down on someone? One mispelled word? Two? A misused comma? Don't get me wrong, I am a huge proponent of proofing what you write. it's a good, courteous habit to start laying down, but do you really want to create that much more work for yourselves? Warmly, Meka - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Hello Mr. Ward, I absolutely disagree with the idea that you have told us about the proofreading guideline. We should implement the idea, because if we do not implement the said idea you are talking about, more messages with poor grammar, punctuation and spelling may be sent fourth to people and this mailing list. I, myself, may not be perfect in my writing, but my writing is extremely satisfactory these days. My point is, even if people find the guideline highly insulting or highly agitating, the guideline should still be implemented into the guidelines for the audyssey list. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Hi Jeremy, Yes, you definitely raise some very good points in your message. As you pointed out the biggest problem in communicating with sighted developers and the public at large is ignorance on their part. Most sighted people have never met a blind person before, and even if they have there is no way of knowing what their experience was if any. Its our job to correct their impressions through by educating them a step at a time, and to do it in a way that makes us look like intelligent, competent, and mature individuals who have something worthwhile to say about their products and services. Its for that reason every time I see a poorly written message on Audyssey or some other access list I inwardly cringe. I can't tell you how many blind individuals just shoot off a message filled with poor grammar, lack of proper punctuation, and spelling errors. Like it or not if a sighted person reads those messages we will be judged one and all as not very intelligent, as lacking communication skills, etc. Bottom line, if we want the mainstream public's respect we have to work for it, and not forgo proper language and writing skills for convenience sake. Here at Audyssey we considered adding proofreading to the list guidelines to improve the quality and clarity of the posts. Unfortunately, there were some individuals that took serious offense to that, and felt that the moderators were going too far. All I can draw from their reaction is they don't care about being taken seriously and want the rest of the sighted world to view us negatively, because that's exactly what will happen if they send a poorly written message to a person or company who has no experience with the blind. In short, good communication skills will go a long ways to bridging the gap between the blind and sighted communities. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail
[Audyssey] resident evil 2 clip
This one's from the resident evil 2 game- claire playthrough. The acting's alot better- and you get to hear lots of zombies in this one from the get-go. I love the part in the intro when Claire tried to talk to what turned out to be a zombie rofl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwmEBTd28wQ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] problem with Pipe 2
well if there is a history look at that. I doubt its anything, still. At 05:32 p.m. 17/12/2011 -0600, you wrote: I was dumb enough not to look after I did my scan a couple days ago. :) - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with Pipe 2 aah, check blindsoftware, they may have done some work I forget. However this combo shouldn't bring up anything, did antispy find anything wrong in the last scan and did that have to do with pipe2 or one of its components. If not I don't know. At 10:37 a.m. 17/12/2011 -0600, you wrote: Hi Sean, I went to the folder and went to properties. It says there's 18 files in their. I guess anti spyware didn't remove anything. I'm not sure. I usually don't pay attention to the number of files in a game. Also, it says the one I have came out October 13th 2009. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with Pipe 2 hi kurt. Hmm, turning on your firewall shouldn't have done anything, I only use the windows one so can't comment about others maybe something is blocked and needs a reconfig. Windows updates should not cause the issue, though I keep most libs here rather updated so maybe thats it. did antispy remove something, check it. Do you have the latest pipe2 patch or even the latest pipe2 since i know loads of stuff was changed last year and at the beginning of this one but I forget what was changed. I just remember getting a shoot load of files from bsc. At 12:41 p.m. 16/12/2011 -0600, you wrote: Hi all, up until yesterday I didn't have a problem playing Pipe 2. But ever since I did windows updates, turned on my firewall and, ran anti spyware, which BTW I don't know If that has anything to do with the following error. I'm getting some error saying, Run time error, file 53 not found. Then there's an okay button. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list,
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
I completely concure on the points suggested, such as putting proofreading elements in the guidelines. However, I think we are all probably taking this a little too far, although I could be wrong. I just don't want people posting to the list and having to check several things, and thus getting borred of doing this every time they have to send a message. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
ONe point which we are all seming to miss is the blind complain factor why should we be taken seriously when blind people can be the biggest wingers this side of th egalaxy. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? I completely concure on the points suggested, such as putting proofreading elements in the guidelines. However, I think we are all probably taking this a little too far, although I could be wrong. I just don't want people posting to the list and having to check several things, and thus getting borred of doing this every time they have to send a message. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] demo of zero sight
HI all especial to lorenzo When the game is released ont he 19th, zero sight I mean, do we have to download 2 separate files? One for demo and another one for full version? or will it all be in the same download? I guess not though as no registration system. I tell everyone now, if I do buy the title I am not putting it anywhere for people who can't be bothered to pay just so you all know where I personally stand on this point. WIll --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] demo of zero sight
Great William! Yes you'll be able to download the demo freely, but when you'll buy the game there will be another download. 2011/12/18 william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com HI all especial to lorenzo When the game is released ont he 19th, zero sight I mean, do we have to download 2 separate files? One for demo and another one for full version? or will it all be in the same download? I guess not though as no registration system. I tell everyone now, if I do buy the title I am not putting it anywhere for people who can't be bothered to pay just so you all know where I personally stand on this point. WIll --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] demo of zero sight
any info yet on how the demo work? do we just get the landing and take off map so fly around with no enemies? also are the missions timed or do we have as long as required? On Dec 18, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Shard Workshop wrote: Great William! Yes you'll be able to download the demo freely, but when you'll buy the game there will be another download. 2011/12/18 william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com HI all especial to lorenzo When the game is released ont he 19th, zero sight I mean, do we have to download 2 separate files? One for demo and another one for full version? or will it all be in the same download? I guess not though as no registration system. I tell everyone now, if I do buy the title I am not putting it anywhere for people who can't be bothered to pay just so you all know where I personally stand on this point. WIll --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Letter to Tin Man games developer of Gamebook Adventures
Hi Michael, In five minutes of googling I found the name to write to directly when emailing the developer of Gamebook Adventures. The developer is Tin Man Games Founded by Neil Rennison, Tin Man Games is a video games studio based in Melbourne, Australia. Neil Rennison comes from a background in product design. He first started out as a 3D modeller and got his first games industry break working with Razorworks in the UK on a series of racing games. Working as a freelancer for a number of years, Neil then started Fraction Studios, a game art outsourcing and contracting specialist. Fraction specialise in handheld and low-end console art asset modelling and texturing, with specialisms in designing robust art pipelines for developers. They have worked on numerous high profile titles including the Need For Speed series, Nascar series, Sims series and the Tiger Woods series for a variety of platforms including iPhone, DS, PSP, and Wii. Neil has had a number of articles published in 3D World magazine and has dabbled in university lecturing. To date, he has worked on over 20 published games. Ben Britten Smith has coded professionally for over 16 years. He previously worked in the film industry where he won an Academy Award for Technical Achievement working on suspended 3D camera systems. Five years ago he shifted from films to games. He works with Tin Man Games on the very popular Gamebook Adventure series of games and with Play Bit Studios on the facebook game: Mine Quest. Ben has been developing games with Unity3D for over four years. He also wrote a chapter on Unity3d for iPhone for the book More iPhone Cool Projects. So I think if you write to Ben Britten Smith directly, you will get better results. http://tinmangames.com.au/blog/?page_id=2 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hello, I would like to add my perspective on this topic about proofreading. I have noticed, throughout my stay on the list, that we have people who are known to be foreigners. They have little knowledge of our English language. If we implement this guideline, does that not make it hard on those people? Imagine them having to be made to write using grammatically to make themselves clear in what it is they are requesting. So, I just wanted to point this out and give this some thought. Thanks, and I wish everyone a merry Christmas and a happy new year! Alfredo --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] demo of zero sight
The demo will feature a modified version of the training map, with a pair of enemies flying in the sky. You'll not be able to use oll the weapons etc. You'll be able to play the demo for how long you want. As for the timed missions, yes, sometimes you have to complete the mission before something happens. 2011/12/18 william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com any info yet on how the demo work? do we just get the landing and take off map so fly around with no enemies? also are the missions timed or do we have as long as required? On Dec 18, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Shard Workshop wrote: Great William! Yes you'll be able to download the demo freely, but when you'll buy the game there will be another download. 2011/12/18 william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com HI all especial to lorenzo When the game is released ont he 19th, zero sight I mean, do we have to download 2 separate files? One for demo and another one for full version? or will it all be in the same download? I guess not though as no registration system. I tell everyone now, if I do buy the title I am not putting it anywhere for people who can't be bothered to pay just so you all know where I personally stand on this point. WIll --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Proofreading Guidelines was Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hi Meka and all, Back when we were discussing the proofreading guidelines for the list we were considering something very basic that most people should be able to follow without too much explanation. For example, let's take punctuation. Now, we know there are some more advanced punctuation rules such as using colons, semi-colons, and dashes that may be unfamiliar to some of our list members. We would be willing to overlook things like that because there are plenty of people who are sighted that aren't sure where to put a colon or where a semi-colon should be used instead of a comma. However, everyone blind or sighted should be able to know where and when to use basic punctuation rules like periods, questions, and exclamation points. We base this on the fact that anyone over 10 years old in the United States should be able to recognize the difference between a declarative sentence, exclamatory sentence, or question. In fact, my son is only seven years old and he can tell you when and where to put a period or question mark. So its not unreasonable to ask list members---who are likely older than seven---to complete sentences with a period or question mark at a bare minimum. As far as spelling goes it is usually pretty obvious when someone doesn't attempt to proofread a message for spelling errors. One or two can be overlooked but if a message is full of several mistakes its going to be rather obvious that the person has not made any effort to proofread the message before sending. Most e-mail clients such as Thunderbird, Windows Live Mail, Microsoft Outlook, etc come with spell checkers so there really isn't an excuse not to spell check a document to get a reasonable amount of accuracy on the final draft. The same holds true for grammar. Its a given certain words can be very confusing for a blind user. The English language is full of words that sound alike but have totally different meanings such as: to, too, two, there, their, they're, sale, sail, here, hear, stake, steak, where, and wear.Some spell checkers will catch the grammatical mistake, but some won't. In a case like that a moderator would overlook the mistake as long as the message was otherwise pretty free of errors. Trust me when I say we understand how something like that could be confusing if a person is using speech instead of braille or visual reinforcement. If it is something more obvious like a double negative the moderator could write the person off list suggesting how to restate the sentence so it is more grammatically correct. The purpose wouldn't be to put the person down but merely to instruct them how to improve there language/communication skills. For example, let's assume someone writes, I didn't find no ammo in Shades of Doom. Some people might not realize that is a double negative, is grammatically incorrect, and might just need a reminder how to restructure that sentence to read, I didn't find any ammo in Shades of Doom. That doesn't mean we--the moderators---would hound people, but would merely make recommendations and suggestions that would improve their communication skills. I for one can't see it as anything other than being helpful and an improvement for the person. Of course, a lot depends on if the person wants the help, wants to change, or continue to compose poorly written messages. In a case like that if a person continues to write messages that are difficult to read the moderators would then go to the next step by moderating or banning them from the list until the quality of their posts improves. However, we wouldn't take a serious action like banning them without giving them a number of chances to correct the problems first. Cheers! On 12/17/11, Meka White, LMP m...@melodicmassage.com wrote: I would hope that this would be more of a guideline encouraging people to proofread their emails rather than a hard and fast rule, because where do you draw the line on coming down on someone? One mispelled word? Two? A misused comma? Don't get me wrong, I am a huge proponent of proofing what you write. it's a good, courteous habit to start laying down, but do you really want to create that much more work for yourselves? Warmly, Meka --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
One question, is this a gaming list or English list. Just because Charles gets his nose bent on reading email by people in other countries. Don't mean we put this crap in the guidelines. If you want that rule Charles. Then start your own list and you will be happy to know. Your the only member! Back to games if this still is a gaming list. At 05:09 AM 12/18/2011, you wrote: I completely concure on the points suggested, such as putting proofreading elements in the guidelines. However, I think we are all probably taking this a little too far, although I could be wrong. I just don't want people posting to the list and having to check several things, and thus getting borred of doing this every time they have to send a message. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hi Alfredo, They can use a grammar checking software if they want to. - Original Message - From: Alfredo_The_Music_maker birdlover2...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Hello, I would like to add my perspective on this topic about proofreading. I have noticed, throughout my stay on the list, that we have people who are known to be foreigners. They have little knowledge of our English language. If we implement this guideline, does that not make it hard on those people? Imagine them having to be made to write using grammatically to make themselves clear in what it is they are requesting. So, I just wanted to point this out and give this some thought. Thanks, and I wish everyone a merry Christmas and a happy new year! Alfredo --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Letter to Tin Man games developer of Gamebook Adventures
Hello, Phil. Thanks for that info! I went to www.GamebookAdventure.com and left a message. I hope that someone will respond to my message. When I went to the site you gave the contact form asked for the caption thing. If other people on here will be willing to help me to get in contact with the developers of IOS Gamebook Adventure that would be great! Here is a webpage you can give to the developer that explain how they can make their games accessible. Thanks! http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/iPhoneAccessibility/Introduction/Introduction.html -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hi i am finding this topic very useful. it's helping me realize where i go wrong when i right. As i said in a previus post i like to right stories so things like this are very useful for me, i do not mind constructive crittisisum but i do hate it when people publicly slam some one for there lacking of righting skills rather than ither right to the person off list or constructivly crittasize them. This is a very informative topic and when i go threw the emails properly i'm noticing the diffrence with how the screen reader is saying things. I know a lot of people don't offen read my messages due to my lack of grammer i have done english and have ben told i'm very good at it forinstance i know where a comma or a questionmark should go but not always good at putting it in, it's because i like to get down what i want to say but since this topic started i am trying to take more notice of what i right. When i join roleplaying and simming games i want to be able to stay there and interact with my peers so am trying to learn to right better. I've never been good at righting things down which is why i don't right letters very much. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Proofreading Guidelines was Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
hi. I agree that proofreading should be in the guidelines, but policing this is inpractical. People should just remember that people will ignore them if they are hard to understand. On 12/18/11, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Meka and all, Back when we were discussing the proofreading guidelines for the list we were considering something very basic that most people should be able to follow without too much explanation. For example, let's take punctuation. Now, we know there are some more advanced punctuation rules such as using colons, semi-colons, and dashes that may be unfamiliar to some of our list members. We would be willing to overlook things like that because there are plenty of people who are sighted that aren't sure where to put a colon or where a semi-colon should be used instead of a comma. However, everyone blind or sighted should be able to know where and when to use basic punctuation rules like periods, questions, and exclamation points. We base this on the fact that anyone over 10 years old in the United States should be able to recognize the difference between a declarative sentence, exclamatory sentence, or question. In fact, my son is only seven years old and he can tell you when and where to put a period or question mark. So its not unreasonable to ask list members---who are likely older than seven---to complete sentences with a period or question mark at a bare minimum. As far as spelling goes it is usually pretty obvious when someone doesn't attempt to proofread a message for spelling errors. One or two can be overlooked but if a message is full of several mistakes its going to be rather obvious that the person has not made any effort to proofread the message before sending. Most e-mail clients such as Thunderbird, Windows Live Mail, Microsoft Outlook, etc come with spell checkers so there really isn't an excuse not to spell check a document to get a reasonable amount of accuracy on the final draft. The same holds true for grammar. Its a given certain words can be very confusing for a blind user. The English language is full of words that sound alike but have totally different meanings such as: to, too, two, there, their, they're, sale, sail, here, hear, stake, steak, where, and wear.Some spell checkers will catch the grammatical mistake, but some won't. In a case like that a moderator would overlook the mistake as long as the message was otherwise pretty free of errors. Trust me when I say we understand how something like that could be confusing if a person is using speech instead of braille or visual reinforcement. If it is something more obvious like a double negative the moderator could write the person off list suggesting how to restate the sentence so it is more grammatically correct. The purpose wouldn't be to put the person down but merely to instruct them how to improve there language/communication skills. For example, let's assume someone writes, I didn't find no ammo in Shades of Doom. Some people might not realize that is a double negative, is grammatically incorrect, and might just need a reminder how to restructure that sentence to read, I didn't find any ammo in Shades of Doom. That doesn't mean we--the moderators---would hound people, but would merely make recommendations and suggestions that would improve their communication skills. I for one can't see it as anything other than being helpful and an improvement for the person. Of course, a lot depends on if the person wants the help, wants to change, or continue to compose poorly written messages. In a case like that if a person continues to write messages that are difficult to read the moderators would then go to the next step by moderating or banning them from the list until the quality of their posts improves. However, we wouldn't take a serious action like banning them without giving them a number of chances to correct the problems first. Cheers! On 12/17/11, Meka White, LMP m...@melodicmassage.com wrote: I would hope that this would be more of a guideline encouraging people to proofread their emails rather than a hard and fast rule, because where do you draw the line on coming down on someone? One mispelled word? Two? A misused comma? Don't get me wrong, I am a huge proponent of proofing what you write. it's a good, courteous habit to start laying down, but do you really want to create that much more work for yourselves? Warmly, Meka --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] Proofreading Guidelines was Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
I agree with this. If someone's message is incomprehensible, I just skip it and move on, and become less likely to read the next message from them. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Willem Venter Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:28 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Proofreading Guidelines was Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? hi. I agree that proofreading should be in the guidelines, but policing this is inpractical. People should just remember that people will ignore them if they are hard to understand. On 12/18/11, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Meka and all, Back when we were discussing the proofreading guidelines for the list we were considering something very basic that most people should be able to follow without too much explanation. For example, let's take punctuation. Now, we know there are some more advanced punctuation rules such as using colons, semi-colons, and dashes that may be unfamiliar to some of our list members. We would be willing to overlook things like that because there are plenty of people who are sighted that aren't sure where to put a colon or where a semi-colon should be used instead of a comma. However, everyone blind or sighted should be able to know where and when to use basic punctuation rules like periods, questions, and exclamation points. We base this on the fact that anyone over 10 years old in the United States should be able to recognize the difference between a declarative sentence, exclamatory sentence, or question. In fact, my son is only seven years old and he can tell you when and where to put a period or question mark. So its not unreasonable to ask list members---who are likely older than seven---to complete sentences with a period or question mark at a bare minimum. As far as spelling goes it is usually pretty obvious when someone doesn't attempt to proofread a message for spelling errors. One or two can be overlooked but if a message is full of several mistakes its going to be rather obvious that the person has not made any effort to proofread the message before sending. Most e-mail clients such as Thunderbird, Windows Live Mail, Microsoft Outlook, etc come with spell checkers so there really isn't an excuse not to spell check a document to get a reasonable amount of accuracy on the final draft. The same holds true for grammar. Its a given certain words can be very confusing for a blind user. The English language is full of words that sound alike but have totally different meanings such as: to, too, two, there, their, they're, sale, sail, here, hear, stake, steak, where, and wear.Some spell checkers will catch the grammatical mistake, but some won't. In a case like that a moderator would overlook the mistake as long as the message was otherwise pretty free of errors. Trust me when I say we understand how something like that could be confusing if a person is using speech instead of braille or visual reinforcement. If it is something more obvious like a double negative the moderator could write the person off list suggesting how to restate the sentence so it is more grammatically correct. The purpose wouldn't be to put the person down but merely to instruct them how to improve there language/communication skills. For example, let's assume someone writes, I didn't find no ammo in Shades of Doom. Some people might not realize that is a double negative, is grammatically incorrect, and might just need a reminder how to restructure that sentence to read, I didn't find any ammo in Shades of Doom. That doesn't mean we--the moderators---would hound people, but would merely make recommendations and suggestions that would improve their communication skills. I for one can't see it as anything other than being helpful and an improvement for the person. Of course, a lot depends on if the person wants the help, wants to change, or continue to compose poorly written messages. In a case like that if a person continues to write messages that are difficult to read the moderators would then go to the next step by moderating or banning them from the list until the quality of their posts improves. However, we wouldn't take a serious action like banning them without giving them a number of chances to correct the problems first. Cheers! On 12/17/11, Meka White, LMP m...@melodicmassage.com wrote: I would hope that this would be more of a guideline encouraging people to proofread their emails rather than a hard and fast rule, because where do you draw the line on coming down on someone? One mispelled word? Two? A misused comma? Don't get me wrong, I am a huge proponent of proofing what you write. it's a good, courteous habit to start laying down, but do you really want to create that much more work for yourselves? Warmly, Meka --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you
Re: [Audyssey] demo of zero sight
Hi, i to will not upload it any where if i decide to buy it. I feel that lorenzo has been very kind to trust us in this way and due to that i feel that anyone who wants the game should pay him in kind and buy it. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
There are utilities that can help with that and we can point those folks inthe right direction if need be. But the issue isn't just folks who use English as a second or third language. We're mainly talking people who supposedly grew up speaking English and who write as though they never learned how to do so. Besides, generally speaking it's easier to tell when you're dealing with someone who genuinely has trouble with English versus someone who's just not proofreading. They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! - Original Message - From: Alfredo_The_Music_maker birdlover2...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Hello, I would like to add my perspective on this topic about proofreading. I have noticed, throughout my stay on the list, that we have people who are known to be foreigners. They have little knowledge of our English language. If we implement this guideline, does that not make it hard on those people? Imagine them having to be made to write using grammatically to make themselves clear in what it is they are requesting. So, I just wanted to point this out and give this some thought. Thanks, and I wish everyone a merry Christmas and a happy new year! Alfredo --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Problem is it's hard to know what game the person needs help with or where in the game they need help if you can't read the message. So at least a reasonable amount of proofreading should be required. They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! - Original Message - From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? One question, is this a gaming list or English list. Just because Charles gets his nose bent on reading email by people in other countries. Don't mean we put this crap in the guidelines. If you want that rule Charles. Then start your own list and you will be happy to know. Your the only member! Back to games if this still is a gaming list. At 05:09 AM 12/18/2011, you wrote: I completely concure on the points suggested, such as putting proofreading elements in the guidelines. However, I think we are all probably taking this a little too far, although I could be wrong. I just don't want people posting to the list and having to check several things, and thus getting borred of doing this every time they have to send a message. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Proofreading Guidelines was Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hi Willem, That is in part why no proofreading guidelines exist currently. We, the moderators, don't want to constantly police the list any more than we absolutely have to. People should use their own judgment and initiative to correct spelling, grammar, and punctuation. As to why many blind list members don't already do this I don't know, but it shouldn't be the moderators' job to police the list pointing out spelling, grammar, and proper punctuation when they should have already learned this through their schools. That's why even if we end up coming up with such a guideline it would be very basic requiring a reasonable amount of punctuation like periods and question marks and forgo colons and semi-colons as an absolute requirement. Spell checking and grammar checking might be trickier, but I'm pretty sure there is some compromise that can be made there as well. Either way, though, we would not really want to do this unless it becomes essential to add such a guideline. Cheers! On 12/18/11, Willem Venter dwill...@gmail.com wrote: hi. I agree that proofreading should be in the guidelines, but policing this is inpractical. People should just remember that people will ignore them if they are hard to understand. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Games for the mac.
well, there is the rsgames client for the mac. On Dec 17, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Michael, I assume you checked out my Mac games page, http://www.pcsgames.net/MacGame-co.htm I admit I have not updated it in two years. And looking at the list there doesn't seem to be many good accessible Mac games back then. Phil - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:39 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Games for the mac. Hey, I would like to know if there are any games for the mac that blind people can play. I have looked on pcsgames.net and that game list has not be helpful to me. If someone knows of any games please let me know. Thanks! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2108/4086 - Release Date: 12/17/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
While I don't disagree, it should be simple courtesy to check an email as you go for maximum intelligibility. I don't necessarily think that spellchecking has to be done after the fact... I myself proofread as I go, to ensure my grammar and spelling are up to scratch. It just makes life easier, and makes me more presentable at the same time. - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? I completely concure on the points suggested, such as putting proofreading elements in the guidelines. However, I think we are all probably taking this a little too far, although I could be wrong. I just don't want people posting to the list and having to check several things, and thus getting borred of doing this every time they have to send a message. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Proofreading Guidelines was Blind Gamers Being TakenSeriously?
It seems like you were looking at including a very fair rule into the guidelines, and I still think you should include it. If someone wants, or is giving help, getting through a game, and their message cannot be understood due to the way it was written, they, or the person needing assistance, won't get the help they need. And, as I have previously stated, and I don't think I'm being unreasonable on this, I think it should be up to the author of a message to make the meaning clear. The reader should not have to try to figure out what the heck this person couldn't convey due to bad habits, laziness, or whatever the reason their message was so poorly typed. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:28 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Proofreading Guidelines was Blind Gamers Being TakenSeriously? Hi Meka and all, Back when we were discussing the proofreading guidelines for the list we were considering something very basic that most people should be able to follow without too much explanation. For example, let's take punctuation. Now, we know there are some more advanced punctuation rules such as using colons, semi-colons, and dashes that may be unfamiliar to some of our list members. We would be willing to overlook things like that because there are plenty of people who are sighted that aren't sure where to put a colon or where a semi-colon should be used instead of a comma. However, everyone blind or sighted should be able to know where and when to use basic punctuation rules like periods, questions, and exclamation points. We base this on the fact that anyone over 10 years old in the United States should be able to recognize the difference between a declarative sentence, exclamatory sentence, or question. In fact, my son is only seven years old and he can tell you when and where to put a period or question mark. So its not unreasonable to ask list members---who are likely older than seven---to complete sentences with a period or question mark at a bare minimum. As far as spelling goes it is usually pretty obvious when someone doesn't attempt to proofread a message for spelling errors. One or two can be overlooked but if a message is full of several mistakes its going to be rather obvious that the person has not made any effort to proofread the message before sending. Most e-mail clients such as Thunderbird, Windows Live Mail, Microsoft Outlook, etc come with spell checkers so there really isn't an excuse not to spell check a document to get a reasonable amount of accuracy on the final draft. The same holds true for grammar. Its a given certain words can be very confusing for a blind user. The English language is full of words that sound alike but have totally different meanings such as: to, too, two, there, their, they're, sale, sail, here, hear, stake, steak, where, and wear.Some spell checkers will catch the grammatical mistake, but some won't. In a case like that a moderator would overlook the mistake as long as the message was otherwise pretty free of errors. Trust me when I say we understand how something like that could be confusing if a person is using speech instead of braille or visual reinforcement. If it is something more obvious like a double negative the moderator could write the person off list suggesting how to restate the sentence so it is more grammatically correct. The purpose wouldn't be to put the person down but merely to instruct them how to improve there language/communication skills. For example, let's assume someone writes, I didn't find no ammo in Shades of Doom. Some people might not realize that is a double negative, is grammatically incorrect, and might just need a reminder how to restructure that sentence to read, I didn't find any ammo in Shades of Doom. That doesn't mean we--the moderators---would hound people, but would merely make recommendations and suggestions that would improve their communication skills. I for one can't see it as anything other than being helpful and an improvement for the person. Of course, a lot depends on if the person wants the help, wants to change, or continue to compose poorly written messages. In a case like that if a person continues to write messages that are difficult to read the moderators would then go to the next step by moderating or banning them from the list until the quality of their posts improves. However, we wouldn't take a serious action like banning them without giving them a number of chances to correct the problems first. Cheers! On 12/17/11, Meka White, LMP m...@melodicmassage.com wrote: I would hope that this would be more of a guideline encouraging people to proofread their emails rather than a hard and fast rule, because where do you draw the line on coming down on someone? One mispelled word? Two? A misused comma? Don't get
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Which games have you tried? What is currently not accessible in what games they produce? What, as far as finger and phone gestures, have you tried to get around the accessibility problems? How can these changes be made? --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Hey, All. Here is a email that I am going to send to the developer of the IOS apps Gamebook Adventures. And since you have something to say about my messages I am asking please email the developer aswell so these text games will be made accessible. Here is the web address for the Gamebook Adventure. www.GamebookAdventures.com Now here is my email. Hello, To the developer of IOS apps Gamebook Adventures. I am a totally blind person that plays different kinds of games on the iPhone using the built in screen reader. The screen reader is called voice over, and what voice over does is, reads all text and buttons if labeled correctly. Apple inc has put together a webpage to educate developers of IOS apps that are not aware of accessibility for the blind. I would like to play your Gamebook series because I love text adventure games. Will you please add accessibility to your Gamebook games. Down below is the link to the webpage that Apple inc has put together to assist developers to make their apps accessible for the blind. Please give accessibility a try. If you have any questions feel free to contact me. Thank you for your time.. http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/iPhoneAccessibility/Introduction/Introduction.html -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Actually, he was right, or at least in part. Stop to consider this: You can sometimes get a screen reader to give a correct pronunciation of a word by purposely misspelling it. Since this list is primarily for blind people who, for the most part, use a screen reader, this would probably be OK to do. Have you noticed the way your screen reader pronounces that word you used instead of you alls? Be creative if you must to get the meaning across. I give this as an example: You were trying to say Yall's. And your flaming is not necessary, nor is it appreciated. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Joseph Weaver jweaver1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? You failed my test and did exactly what I thought you would. I am a southerner so that word is pretty common. Now that your done judging me and my friend michael who he and I live in the same town since we were kids. I am going to use my freedom is speech to tell you, your correction to my message and possibly this one, that you are a pompous Jackass that needs to quit judging and stacking your own people. Your words don't hurt me, but if you try mine may hurt you. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:22 PM, Christopher Bartlett themusicalbre...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, this thread emerged from Michael's post concerning his interaction with a developer, from which many folk have drawn the idea that his careless construction of messages possibly contributed to the negative aspect of that interaction. It is entirely appropriate to comment specifically on that aspect of his post, since we all have an interest in having developers not already in the know about our community take us seriously. You have seen the comments of more than one sighted developer about how discouraging such things are initially. To their credit and our gain, they overcame that discouragement and have gone on to provide us with some games. By the way, for clarity, that should have read y'all's, the possessive, rather than a bastardized, non-standard plural that happens also to screw up screen readers. And your deliberate error is amusing, and telling. Don't like my commentary, then go elsewhere. Chris Bartlett -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Weaver Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:21 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? You guys need to quit targeting michael and get off your high horses, it seems like you only discuss this issue after his posts, I don't have any trouble understanding them. Y'alls problem is that you love to complain to much, now of you don't understand maybe next time he should speak in first grade terms an really slow for you. (NWA) no winning aloud, if you don't like the grammar get over it. Ps. That word is misspelled. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2011, at 6:34 PM, MissWings misswi...@lorettotel.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I for one agree with adding the guideline about proofreading posts before sending them to the list, because good communication skills are important, especially for us when we're dealing with sighted people. I'll admit I never actually read a post of mine, but I'm also a very good speller and know how to punctuate things well, so grammar and spelling aren't as much of an issue for me. I say include the guideline though, and if someone doesn't like it, it's their loss. The guideline would only be used to help people, not as a criticism, in my opinion. Jessica At 08:49 AM 12/17/2011, you wrote: Hi Jeremy, Yes, you definitely raise some very good points in your message. As you pointed out the biggest problem in communicating with sighted developers and the public at large is ignorance on their part. Most sighted people have never met a blind person before, and even if they have there is no way of knowing what their experience was if any. Its our job to correct their impressions through by educating them a step at a time, and to do it in a way that makes us look like intelligent, competent, and mature individuals who have something worthwhile to say about their products and services. Its for that reason every time I see a poorly written message on Audyssey or some other access list I inwardly cringe. I can't tell you how many blind individuals just shoot off a message filled with poor grammar, lack of proper punctuation, and spelling errors. Like it or not if a sighted person reads those messages we will be judged one and all as not very intelligent, as lacking communication skills, etc. Bottom line, if we want the mainstream public's respect we have to work for it, and not forgo proper language and writing skills for convenience sake. Here
[Audyssey] Swamp map editor
Hey guys, I think last week I posted about this but I hadn't really put it all together yet. I've had some emails asking for the Swamp map editor and even though it isn't accessible, at least one of those people said they could get sighted assistance quite easily. So for any who are willing to give the inaccessible map editor a try, here it is along with an audio walk through explaining how it works. I believe the reason for asking for this map editor, was to work on some maps to send to me so that I might save a little time in that department. If you had grabbed the files from last week, grab the again because I had forgotten to include a file. www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/SwampEditor.mp3 www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/SwampEditor.zip I think the walk through will explain things well enough, but in case it is useful I have included sample maps to give you an idea of scale and layout. The next posted version of Swamp will have a choice to load in sample maps that you're working on with the editor. There won't be zombies in them, but it will let you get a better feel for them as they are being designed. Sometime down the road I hope to build an accessible map editor, but for now this one will have to do. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
I receive a few hundred Emails on most days, and there are some Emails that, when I see that they are written by certain people, I hit the delete key. I already know that I won't be able to understand them because of their lack of communication skills. It's not because they don't use English as their native language. It's because they write horribly. I, and others, used to try to help them become more understandable, but all they did was to get mad, and no improvements were made. It's not because they can't, but because they! won't! They just don't care. As a result, even if I could help them through a spot in a game, or if I could help them with a problem with their computer, or if I could give them tips on how to barbecue, I'll never even see their questions, because they refuse to do even minor work on being understood. It's their loss, not mine. Sad, but true. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Hi Chris, All good points. I'd like to add that I'm on a number of technology lists and forums, and I largely read and respond to e-mails based on reputation. By reputation I mean weather the person can write clearly, if there aren't a lot of grammar and spelling errors, and weather or not the e-mails use proper punctuation. Is that unfair? No. Even using a screen reader like Jaws, NVDA, or Window-Eyes things like spelling errors, grammatical errors, and lack of punctuation make it difficult to listen to a poorly written e-mail. Lack of punctuation means the screen reader won't pause properly between natural sentense breaks and it makes it difficult to listen to the message. Spelling and grammar errors will cause the screen reader to say things incorrectly forcing me to stop the speech and review the line word by word to get the context of the message. If I have to do that with x number of e-mails waiting for me to read I'm just going to throw out and skip anything that requires extra time and effort to read. So my point here is it isn't just a case of sighted people doing this, but there are blind people such as myself who quickly toss out anything that isn't immediately clear from the start as well. Cheers! On 12/17/11, Christopher Bartlett themusicalbre...@gmail.com wrote: I have a couple of thoughts to add to this otherwise excellent post. First of all, if anyone is feeling that all this is intensely unfair, sighted folk use these same judgment metrics with one another. As someone who has taught both blind and sighted people how to write resumes and cover letters, I cannot stress enough to anyone doing this that the appearance of these documents is as important, perhaps more so, than the content. For an HR person glancing through a batch of 50 resumes, anything that allows him/her to reject a resume out of hand is a Godsend, so if it's sloppily put together, into the circular file it goes unread and the HR person gets to save a few minutes verifying references or scheduling an interview. Is that fair? Yes it is. The care that one takes in putting together a document of this sort, or indeed any business communication reflects the care with which one structures the content. The one acts as a proxy for the other in a surprisingly tight relationship. I can bet that if a message here or a document is carelessly put together, then it's almost certainly not worth my finite time to read, no matter the subject. And that's true for sighted people and blind. Here on the list, we have a unique situation. This isn't quite a business forum, though it partakes of some of the character of such a beast. It isn't a personal chat place, though we do that too. So it's some weird, hybrid beastie that has a culture of its own. That being said, clarity in communication is still important, particularly as this appears to be a major hub for people to find out about adaptive gaming, including sighted developers. That being so, it would profit us all to write clearly and correctly to the best of our abilities, and where those abilities are lacking, to invest time and effort to improve them. The consequences of failing to do so here are relatively light, you will get ignored, and possibly mocked. The consequences of doing so out in the world can make the difference between succeeding in getting a job, making a good impression on a potential sweetie, or being an effective advocate for accessibility in software or devices that you need or want to use. I would suggest that the proofreading requirement be put back in the guidelines, and let those who are offended by it go elsewhere. Goodness knows there are plenty of places on the Internets where they will be welcome. Christopher Bartlett --- Gamers mailing list
[Audyssey] Are we Done Yet
I come back to the Audyssey list after a few days, and we're flooded with messages which appear to have been spawned as a result of a few of you getting your shorts in a twist over typos. Seriously people? And you want to put proper grammar in the guidelines? Tongue in cheek note: one of the biggest proponents of doing so is a staunch conservative! You should be arguing for less moderation, not more. So look. First and foremost, typos, bad spelling, and bad grammar are not endemic to blind people. Examples, even websites, abound of typos made by the Average Joe on a daily basis. I checked. I don't think I need tell you--though I'm going to anyway because I like the view from my high horse--that since blind people make up one third of one percent of this country, there's a 99.7% chance those typos were made by the sighted. In fact, just as I finished typing the previous sentence, this came across my Twitter feed: Username posted I do believe the customer service rep at my bank meant I need to add a recipient on my account, not a reciprocant. Case, meet point. You guys should go grab a cup of coffee or something. Get to know each other. So why are we getting so thoroughly riled up about this business of hard to understand posts? It seems to me that one of the following methods should solve your problem nicely. 1. Delete posts from people you can't stand to read. I'm going to come right out and say that there are about six people on this who I flatly refuse to read posts from, either because they're posts are downright hard to read or because they contribute nothing to any discussion.* You should try it. You'd be amazed how much time and frustration you'll save yourself. *The first clause of that paragraph's first sentence contained a hanging preposition. Sorry about that, but I'm too lazy to fix it. Please don't start a new thread over it. 2. Take your frustration off list. If you're tired of poorly-composed emails and you want something done about it, try approaching the offender off list with an offer of help. Publically blasting them for their shortcomings just makes you look petty. Which leads me to point 3. 3. GET OVER IT! This is my favorite method of dealing with the problem, and you wouldn't believe how much it has cut down on the stress in my life. There are things in life that are worth getting worked up over, and there are things that are not. Having a bird flap down to the rock you're chained to and eating your liver every day should piss you off. Reading poorly-written emails should not. I'm going to pick on Dark for a minute because I respect the guy, I know he can take it, and because he has said himself that he has a lax attitude toward spelling in informal communication. His lack of properly-doubled letters used to piss me off to no end, and I would get thoroughly angry when I read his posts. At some point, though, I realized that, in spite of the occasional hiccups he gave my speech synthesizer, his writings contained a great deal of well-reasoned, intelligent material and were worth reading, warts and all. Are proper spelling and grammar important? Absolutely--on tests, job applications, cover letters, grant requests, and any number of other professional documents. But this list is not a professional document; it's a hobby.* Treat it as such. Enjoy it. Have fun with it. Don't use it as a place to vent your frustrations on blind people with poor literacy skills. *except for those of you who write 30 posts a day. For you, it's a way of life. When Jeremy Hartley started the Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? thread, he dispensed some excellent advice about working with the sighted public, specifically mainstream developers. Since then, the thread has been high jacked by people who insist on turning the blind gamers list into grammar school. If those of you who are guilty of this really want to help fix the situation, see method 2 above and keep your criticisms off the list. And if you still can't get over it, go shoot a zombie in the face. It will be much more productive, and it will save the rest of us the clutter. Now if you'll pardon me, I'm getting saddle sores. Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
A prime example of the reason of the thread. Reread your message with your screen reader. Does it make sense? --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? ONe point which we are all seming to miss is the blind complain factor why should we be taken seriously when blind people can be the biggest wingers this side of th egalaxy. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
I agree with both Thomas and charles. I'm on so many lists that if I see an email I know I won't be able to read without taking a lot of time, I won't bother. As I said earlier, it isn't exactly the hardest thing in the world to proofread an email as you go. This makes yourself look better, and it takes less effort for others to understand you, which means they'll be more likely to want to listen to what you have to say. And to Joseph... this was never meant to insult Michael, simply our reaction to his complaint about Mario's bad response to his continuous emails about Silversword accessibility, which has lead to a discussion as well as an attempt to educate some people on list who seem to have the same problem when they post here. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? I receive a few hundred Emails on most days, and there are some Emails that, when I see that they are written by certain people, I hit the delete key. I already know that I won't be able to understand them because of their lack of communication skills. It's not because they don't use English as their native language. It's because they write horribly. I, and others, used to try to help them become more understandable, but all they did was to get mad, and no improvements were made. It's not because they can't, but because they! won't! They just don't care. As a result, even if I could help them through a spot in a game, or if I could help them with a problem with their computer, or if I could give them tips on how to barbecue, I'll never even see their questions, because they refuse to do even minor work on being understood. It's their loss, not mine. Sad, but true. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Hi Chris, All good points. I'd like to add that I'm on a number of technology lists and forums, and I largely read and respond to e-mails based on reputation. By reputation I mean weather the person can write clearly, if there aren't a lot of grammar and spelling errors, and weather or not the e-mails use proper punctuation. Is that unfair? No. Even using a screen reader like Jaws, NVDA, or Window-Eyes things like spelling errors, grammatical errors, and lack of punctuation make it difficult to listen to a poorly written e-mail. Lack of punctuation means the screen reader won't pause properly between natural sentense breaks and it makes it difficult to listen to the message. Spelling and grammar errors will cause the screen reader to say things incorrectly forcing me to stop the speech and review the line word by word to get the context of the message. If I have to do that with x number of e-mails waiting for me to read I'm just going to throw out and skip anything that requires extra time and effort to read. So my point here is it isn't just a case of sighted people doing this, but there are blind people such as myself who quickly toss out anything that isn't immediately clear from the start as well. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, I always check messages after I have finished them, to make sure they are readable, and in case I want to add anything extra in. As far as spell checking goes, I actually don't use an in built spell checker for checking my typing, unless I am in word for example. A far more useful application I have found for checking spelling, is called tiny spell, and this functions as a spell checker throughout windows, and it makes the computer sound a chime sound whenever it picks up on a spelling error, its particularly useful in situations where you normally wouldn't have a spell checker, for example in skype or msn chats, or even when trying to do an on line search as it just sits in the background. I also use it for auto capitalising the first letter of sentences. I have a set of jaws scripts as well for the program, which give several options for getting jaws to spell spelling suggestions as you arrow over them, as it does in word. The program is quite good, I do sometimes have to use word or even google if I can't figure out a particular spelling and tiny spell can't get it either. If people want to try the program, there is a free and a payed version, though I think the scripts only work with the payed version, due to differences between both versions. The scripts are not publicly available for download, a friend wrote them for me a few years ago, but the site he made them available on was taken down some time ago, but I would be happy to send to anyone who wants them. tiny spell can be downloaded from http://tinyspell.numerit.com/ the free version is just called tiny spell, the paid version is called tiny spell plus, but the word plus is actually a + symbol. I find using the scripts useful, as it helps me learn where I make common mistakes rather than just going down and selecting the correct spelling, I like to listen to it to know for next time. There are also several different dictionaries that can be used with it, depending on your language. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hello, I quite agree with Charles on his point. When you use a screen reader, when you are spelling out a word, and when you press the space bar key, when you are writing, the word may sound as though it is correct, but really, truly in reality, the word is misspelled, and the word should be corrected when you see the mistake that you have found in you're writing. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Actually, he was right, or at least in part. Stop to consider this: You can sometimes get a screen reader to give a correct pronunciation of a word by purposely misspelling it. Since this list is primarily for blind people who, for the most part, use a screen reader, this would probably be OK to do. Have you noticed the way your screen reader pronounces that word you used instead of you alls? Be creative if you must to get the meaning across. I give this as an example: You were trying to say Yall's. And your flaming is not necessary, nor is it appreciated. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Joseph Weaver jweaver1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? You failed my test and did exactly what I thought you would. I am a southerner so that word is pretty common. Now that your done judging me and my friend michael who he and I live in the same town since we were kids. I am going to use my freedom is speech to tell you, your correction to my message and possibly this one, that you are a pompous Jackass that needs to quit judging and stacking your own people. Your words don't hurt me, but if you try mine may hurt you. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:22 PM, Christopher Bartlett themusicalbre...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, this thread emerged from Michael's post concerning his interaction with a developer, from which many folk have drawn the idea that his careless construction of messages possibly contributed to the negative aspect of that interaction. It is entirely appropriate to comment specifically on that aspect of his post, since we all have an interest in having developers not already in the know about our community take us seriously. You have seen the comments of more than one sighted developer about how discouraging such things are initially. To their credit and our gain, they overcame that discouragement and have gone on to provide us with some games. By the way, for clarity, that should have read y'all's, the possessive, rather than a bastardized, non-standard plural that happens also to screw up screen readers. And your deliberate error is amusing, and telling. Don't like my commentary, then go elsewhere. Chris Bartlett -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Weaver Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:21 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? You guys need to quit targeting michael and get off your high horses, it seems like you only discuss this issue after his posts, I don't have any trouble understanding them. Y'alls problem is that you love to complain to much, now of you don't understand maybe next time he should speak in first grade terms an really slow for you. (NWA) no winning aloud, if you don't like the grammar get over it. Ps. That word is misspelled. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2011, at 6:34 PM, MissWings misswi...@lorettotel.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I for one agree with adding the guideline about proofreading posts before sending them to the list, because good communication skills are important, especially for us when we're dealing with sighted people. I'll admit I never actually read a post of mine, but I'm also a very good speller and know how to punctuate things well, so grammar and spelling aren't as much of an issue for me. I say include the guideline though, and if someone doesn't like it, it's their loss. The guideline would only be used to help people, not as a criticism, in my opinion. Jessica At 08:49 AM 12/17/2011, you wrote: Hi Jeremy, Yes, you definitely raise some very good points in your message. As you pointed out the biggest problem in communicating with sighted developers and the public at large is ignorance on their part. Most sighted people have never met a blind person before, and even if they have there is no way of knowing what their experience was if any. Its our job to correct their impressions through by educating them a step at a time, and to do it in a way that makes us look like intelligent, competent, and mature individuals who have something worthwhile to say
Re: [Audyssey] Are we Done Yet
While I agree with some of your post, I think this was not an attempt to turn things into grammar school or blast people. True, it's gotten a bit out of hand, but there is a point to it... sure bad grammar is the norm on the web, but there's a limit... and while this list isn't a professional list, it is one that reaches out to a wide audience, some of whom English is not a first language and may find it harder to understand misspelled words or incorrect punctuation which makes their screen reader read things in a way that may sound unnatural. And while I agree with a lot of the points, I agree with you that the thread should be closed, and hopefully a lesson learned. Though I wouldn't've put it quite the way you did. (smile) - Original Message - From: Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 8:17 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Are we Done Yet I come back to the Audyssey list after a few days, and we're flooded with messages which appear to have been spawned as a result of a few of you getting your shorts in a twist over typos. Seriously people? And you want to put proper grammar in the guidelines? Tongue in cheek note: one of the biggest proponents of doing so is a staunch conservative! You should be arguing for less moderation, not more. So look. First and foremost, typos, bad spelling, and bad grammar are not endemic to blind people. Examples, even websites, abound of typos made by the Average Joe on a daily basis. I checked. I don't think I need tell you--though I'm going to anyway because I like the view from my high horse--that since blind people make up one third of one percent of this country, there's a 99.7% chance those typos were made by the sighted. In fact, just as I finished typing the previous sentence, this came across my Twitter feed: Username posted I do believe the customer service rep at my bank meant I need to add a recipient on my account, not a reciprocant. Case, meet point. You guys should go grab a cup of coffee or something. Get to know each other. So why are we getting so thoroughly riled up about this business of hard to understand posts? It seems to me that one of the following methods should solve your problem nicely. 1. Delete posts from people you can't stand to read. I'm going to come right out and say that there are about six people on this who I flatly refuse to read posts from, either because they're posts are downright hard to read or because they contribute nothing to any discussion.* You should try it. You'd be amazed how much time and frustration you'll save yourself. *The first clause of that paragraph's first sentence contained a hanging preposition. Sorry about that, but I'm too lazy to fix it. Please don't start a new thread over it. 2. Take your frustration off list. If you're tired of poorly-composed emails and you want something done about it, try approaching the offender off list with an offer of help. Publically blasting them for their shortcomings just makes you look petty. Which leads me to point 3. 3. GET OVER IT! This is my favorite method of dealing with the problem, and you wouldn't believe how much it has cut down on the stress in my life. There are things in life that are worth getting worked up over, and there are things that are not. Having a bird flap down to the rock you're chained to and eating your liver every day should piss you off. Reading poorly-written emails should not. I'm going to pick on Dark for a minute because I respect the guy, I know he can take it, and because he has said himself that he has a lax attitude toward spelling in informal communication. His lack of properly-doubled letters used to piss me off to no end, and I would get thoroughly angry when I read his posts. At some point, though, I realized that, in spite of the occasional hiccups he gave my speech synthesizer, his writings contained a great deal of well-reasoned, intelligent material and were worth reading, warts and all. Are proper spelling and grammar important? Absolutely--on tests, job applications, cover letters, grant requests, and any number of other professional documents. But this list is not a professional document; it's a hobby.* Treat it as such. Enjoy it. Have fun with it. Don't use it as a place to vent your frustrations on blind people with poor literacy skills. *except for those of you who write 30 posts a day. For you, it's a way of life. When Jeremy Hartley started the Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? thread, he dispensed some excellent advice about working with the sighted public, specifically mainstream developers. Since then, the thread has been high jacked by people who insist on turning the blind gamers list into grammar school. If those of you who are guilty of this really want to help fix the situation, see method 2 above and keep your criticisms off the list. And if you still can't get over it, go shoot a zombie in the face.
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Don't flame michael and I will not flame you. My screen reader read the post fine so you need to stop letting the shark bite you in the butt. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Actually, he was right, or at least in part. Stop to consider this: You can sometimes get a screen reader to give a correct pronunciation of a word by purposely misspelling it. Since this list is primarily for blind people who, for the most part, use a screen reader, this would probably be OK to do. Have you noticed the way your screen reader pronounces that word you used instead of you alls? Be creative if you must to get the meaning across. I give this as an example: You were trying to say Yall's. And your flaming is not necessary, nor is it appreciated. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Joseph Weaver jweaver1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? You failed my test and did exactly what I thought you would. I am a southerner so that word is pretty common. Now that your done judging me and my friend michael who he and I live in the same town since we were kids. I am going to use my freedom is speech to tell you, your correction to my message and possibly this one, that you are a pompous Jackass that needs to quit judging and stacking your own people. Your words don't hurt me, but if you try mine may hurt you. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:22 PM, Christopher Bartlett themusicalbre...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, this thread emerged from Michael's post concerning his interaction with a developer, from which many folk have drawn the idea that his careless construction of messages possibly contributed to the negative aspect of that interaction. It is entirely appropriate to comment specifically on that aspect of his post, since we all have an interest in having developers not already in the know about our community take us seriously. You have seen the comments of more than one sighted developer about how discouraging such things are initially. To their credit and our gain, they overcame that discouragement and have gone on to provide us with some games. By the way, for clarity, that should have read y'all's, the possessive, rather than a bastardized, non-standard plural that happens also to screw up screen readers. And your deliberate error is amusing, and telling. Don't like my commentary, then go elsewhere. Chris Bartlett -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Weaver Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:21 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? You guys need to quit targeting michael and get off your high horses, it seems like you only discuss this issue after his posts, I don't have any trouble understanding them. Y'alls problem is that you love to complain to much, now of you don't understand maybe next time he should speak in first grade terms an really slow for you. (NWA) no winning aloud, if you don't like the grammar get over it. Ps. That word is misspelled. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2011, at 6:34 PM, MissWings misswi...@lorettotel.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I for one agree with adding the guideline about proofreading posts before sending them to the list, because good communication skills are important, especially for us when we're dealing with sighted people. I'll admit I never actually read a post of mine, but I'm also a very good speller and know how to punctuate things well, so grammar and spelling aren't as much of an issue for me. I say include the guideline though, and if someone doesn't like it, it's their loss. The guideline would only be used to help people, not as a criticism, in my opinion. Jessica At 08:49 AM 12/17/2011, you wrote: Hi Jeremy, Yes, you definitely raise some very good points in your message. As you pointed out the biggest problem in communicating with sighted developers and the public at large is ignorance on their part. Most sighted people have never met a blind person before, and even if they have there is no way of knowing what their experience was if any. Its our job to correct their impressions through by educating them a step at a time, and to do it in a way that makes us look like intelligent, competent, and mature individuals who have something worthwhile to say about their products and services. Its for that reason every time I see a poorly written message on Audyssey or some other access list I inwardly cringe. I can't tell you how many blind individuals just shoot off a message filled with poor grammar, lack of proper punctuation, and spelling
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If you have been reading messages that I have posted, you would have seen that on at least 2 occasions, I have very clearly stated that there are people who do not use English as their first language, and I have no problem with that reason. If you have been following this thread, you also have noticed that I am not the only one on the list who is of the same opinion I have. And, as for starting my own list?, I do co-own a list of general chat, assistance with blind related issues, kidding around, and what ever else as long as it is family oriented. One of the guidelines is that you check your messages for understandability before sending them, and we do not have any of the problems discussed in this thread, and the guideline does not offend one! single! member! that we are aware of. The main reason, though, that I am responding to your message is that I figure that, seeing as you blast me unnecessarily for all the list to see, I think that they should all see my response. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? One question, is this a gaming list or English list. Just because Charles gets his nose bent on reading email by people in other countries. Don't mean we put this crap in the guidelines. If you want that rule Charles. Then start your own list and you will be happy to know. Your the only member! Back to games if this still is a gaming list. At 05:09 AM 12/18/2011, you wrote: I completely concure on the points suggested, such as putting proofreading elements in the guidelines. However, I think we are all probably taking this a little too far, although I could be wrong. I just don't want people posting to the list and having to check several things, and thus getting borred of doing this every time they have to send a message. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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While I appreciate the fact that you are trying to defend your friend... we have not flamed him, merely given him suggestions. I suggest we all just let this thread drop... the discussion is over... and as shown by the post below now it's gone to rude comments and insults flying around. - Original Message - From: Joseph Weaver jweaver1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Don't flame michael and I will not flame you. My screen reader read the post fine so you need to stop letting the shark bite you in the butt. Sent from my iPhone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Charles, while checking for understandability is all well and good... there's a fine line between lack of that and simple spelling errors. Unless it is a major one, you can still understand the post. Punctuation is the same thing... a couple of missing punctuation points aren't the problem. And we originally started this thread as blind people not having the best communication skills to them... and while I think we should enforce that, turning this into a list of messages with perfect spelling and punctuation sounds too much like a police state. I'm all for good spelling and punctuation and grammar, but... there's a limit to how much that should be enforced. See what I there in the last sentence? Should that one sentence mean my entire message is banned, or that I have to resend the whole thing again simply because of that one error? - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? If you have been reading messages that I have posted, you would have seen that on at least 2 occasions, I have very clearly stated that there are people who do not use English as their first language, and I have no problem with that reason. If you have been following this thread, you also have noticed that I am not the only one on the list who is of the same opinion I have. And, as for starting my own list?, I do co-own a list of general chat, assistance with blind related issues, kidding around, and what ever else as long as it is family oriented. One of the guidelines is that you check your messages for understandability before sending them, and we do not have any of the problems discussed in this thread, and the guideline does not offend one! single! member! that we are aware of. The main reason, though, that I am responding to your message is that I figure that, seeing as you blast me unnecessarily for all the list to see, I think that they should all see my response. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? One question, is this a gaming list or English list. Just because Charles gets his nose bent on reading email by people in other countries. Don't mean we put this crap in the guidelines. If you want that rule Charles. Then start your own list and you will be happy to know. Your the only member! Back to games if this still is a gaming list. At 05:09 AM 12/18/2011, you wrote: I completely concure on the points suggested, such as putting proofreading elements in the guidelines. However, I think we are all probably taking this a little too far, although I could be wrong. I just don't want people posting to the list and having to check several things, and thus getting borred of doing this every time they have to send a message. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
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Do we seriously have to have this bash michael party every few month. This is why I don't play your games or talk much because you guys are just looking for people to tear down. That's why I will only ever play Jims games. Cause as a developer he is the nicest guy I've met. You guys need to quit being hatefully to the people who support you. I think if moderators were doing their jobs the topic would have done been closes and changed. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with both Thomas and charles. I'm on so many lists that if I see an email I know I won't be able to read without taking a lot of time, I won't bother. As I said earlier, it isn't exactly the hardest thing in the world to proofread an email as you go. This makes yourself look better, and it takes less effort for others to understand you, which means they'll be more likely to want to listen to what you have to say. And to Joseph... this was never meant to insult Michael, simply our reaction to his complaint about Mario's bad response to his continuous emails about Silversword accessibility, which has lead to a discussion as well as an attempt to educate some people on list who seem to have the same problem when they post here. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? I receive a few hundred Emails on most days, and there are some Emails that, when I see that they are written by certain people, I hit the delete key. I already know that I won't be able to understand them because of their lack of communication skills. It's not because they don't use English as their native language. It's because they write horribly. I, and others, used to try to help them become more understandable, but all they did was to get mad, and no improvements were made. It's not because they can't, but because they! won't! They just don't care. As a result, even if I could help them through a spot in a game, or if I could help them with a problem with their computer, or if I could give them tips on how to barbecue, I'll never even see their questions, because they refuse to do even minor work on being understood. It's their loss, not mine. Sad, but true. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Hi Chris, All good points. I'd like to add that I'm on a number of technology lists and forums, and I largely read and respond to e-mails based on reputation. By reputation I mean weather the person can write clearly, if there aren't a lot of grammar and spelling errors, and weather or not the e-mails use proper punctuation. Is that unfair? No. Even using a screen reader like Jaws, NVDA, or Window-Eyes things like spelling errors, grammatical errors, and lack of punctuation make it difficult to listen to a poorly written e-mail. Lack of punctuation means the screen reader won't pause properly between natural sentense breaks and it makes it difficult to listen to the message. Spelling and grammar errors will cause the screen reader to say things incorrectly forcing me to stop the speech and review the line word by word to get the context of the message. If I have to do that with x number of e-mails waiting for me to read I'm just going to throw out and skip anything that requires extra time and effort to read. So my point here is it isn't just a case of sighted people doing this, but there are blind people such as myself who quickly toss out anything that isn't immediately clear from the start as well. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Nope not till they apologize to michael and last I checked it's still a free country. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2011, at 2:06 AM, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello Joseph, People here are only trying to help Michael and give him better advice here on this mailing list. I see know harsh comments directed at Michael here, and I think you should take the js comment back and apologise to the mailing list. I may not be a moderator of this list, but I know the js word is a foul word, so please refrain from using language like that on this mailing list. I am only trying to help you here. - Original Message - From: Joseph Weaver jweaver1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? You failed my test and did exactly what I thought you would. I am a southerner so that word is pretty common. Now that your done judging me and my friend michael who he and I live in the same town since we were kids. I am going to use my freedom is speech to tell you, your correction to my message and possibly this one, that you are a pompous Jackass that needs to quit judging and stacking your own people. Your words don't hurt me, but if you try mine may hurt you. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:22 PM, Christopher Bartlett themusicalbre...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, this thread emerged from Michael's post concerning his interaction with a developer, from which many folk have drawn the idea that his careless construction of messages possibly contributed to the negative aspect of that interaction. It is entirely appropriate to comment specifically on that aspect of his post, since we all have an interest in having developers not already in the know about our community take us seriously. You have seen the comments of more than one sighted developer about how discouraging such things are initially. To their credit and our gain, they overcame that discouragement and have gone on to provide us with some games. By the way, for clarity, that should have read y'all's, the possessive, rather than a bastardized, non-standard plural that happens also to screw up screen readers. And your deliberate error is amusing, and telling. Don't like my commentary, then go elsewhere. Chris Bartlett -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Weaver Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:21 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? You guys need to quit targeting michael and get off your high horses, it seems like you only discuss this issue after his posts, I don't have any trouble understanding them. Y'alls problem is that you love to complain to much, now of you don't understand maybe next time he should speak in first grade terms an really slow for you. (NWA) no winning aloud, if you don't like the grammar get over it. Ps. That word is misspelled. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2011, at 6:34 PM, MissWings misswi...@lorettotel.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I for one agree with adding the guideline about proofreading posts before sending them to the list, because good communication skills are important, especially for us when we're dealing with sighted people. I'll admit I never actually read a post of mine, but I'm also a very good speller and know how to punctuate things well, so grammar and spelling aren't as much of an issue for me. I say include the guideline though, and if someone doesn't like it, it's their loss. The guideline would only be used to help people, not as a criticism, in my opinion. Jessica At 08:49 AM 12/17/2011, you wrote: Hi Jeremy, Yes, you definitely raise some very good points in your message. As you pointed out the biggest problem in communicating with sighted developers and the public at large is ignorance on their part. Most sighted people have never met a blind person before, and even if they have there is no way of knowing what their experience was if any. Its our job to correct their impressions through by educating them a step at a time, and to do it in a way that makes us look like intelligent, competent, and mature individuals who have something worthwhile to say about their products and services. Its for that reason every time I see a poorly written message on Audyssey or some other access list I inwardly cringe. I can't tell you how many blind individuals just shoot off a message filled with poor grammar, lack of proper punctuation, and spelling errors. Like it or not if a sighted person reads those messages we will be judged one and all as not very intelligent, as lacking communication skills, etc. Bottom line, if we want the mainstream public's respect we have to work for it, and not forgo proper
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I disagree you all do this to him all the time. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2011, at 12:08 PM, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: While I appreciate the fact that you are trying to defend your friend... we have not flamed him, merely given him suggestions. I suggest we all just let this thread drop... the discussion is over... and as shown by the post below now it's gone to rude comments and insults flying around. - Original Message - From: Joseph Weaver jweaver1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Don't flame michael and I will not flame you. My screen reader read the post fine so you need to stop letting the shark bite you in the butt. Sent from my iPhone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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As far as I'm aware... this is the first time this's happened. so no, we don't seriously have to flame him every few months.. because it doesn't happen. - Original Message - From: Joseph Weaver jweaver1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Do we seriously have to have this bash michael party every few month. This is why I don't play your games or talk much because you guys are just looking for people to tear down. That's why I will only ever play Jims games. Cause as a developer he is the nicest guy I've met. You guys need to quit being hatefully to the people who support you. I think if moderators were doing their jobs the topic would have done been closes and changed. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with both Thomas and charles. I'm on so many lists that if I see an email I know I won't be able to read without taking a lot of time, I won't bother. As I said earlier, it isn't exactly the hardest thing in the world to proofread an email as you go. This makes yourself look better, and it takes less effort for others to understand you, which means they'll be more likely to want to listen to what you have to say. And to Joseph... this was never meant to insult Michael, simply our reaction to his complaint about Mario's bad response to his continuous emails about Silversword accessibility, which has lead to a discussion as well as an attempt to educate some people on list who seem to have the same problem when they post here. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? I receive a few hundred Emails on most days, and there are some Emails that, when I see that they are written by certain people, I hit the delete key. I already know that I won't be able to understand them because of their lack of communication skills. It's not because they don't use English as their native language. It's because they write horribly. I, and others, used to try to help them become more understandable, but all they did was to get mad, and no improvements were made. It's not because they can't, but because they! won't! They just don't care. As a result, even if I could help them through a spot in a game, or if I could help them with a problem with their computer, or if I could give them tips on how to barbecue, I'll never even see their questions, because they refuse to do even minor work on being understood. It's their loss, not mine. Sad, but true. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Hi Chris, All good points. I'd like to add that I'm on a number of technology lists and forums, and I largely read and respond to e-mails based on reputation. By reputation I mean weather the person can write clearly, if there aren't a lot of grammar and spelling errors, and weather or not the e-mails use proper punctuation. Is that unfair? No. Even using a screen reader like Jaws, NVDA, or Window-Eyes things like spelling errors, grammatical errors, and lack of punctuation make it difficult to listen to a poorly written e-mail. Lack of punctuation means the screen reader won't pause properly between natural sentense breaks and it makes it difficult to listen to the message. Spelling and grammar errors will cause the screen reader to say things incorrectly forcing me to stop the speech and review the line word by word to get the context of the message. If I have to do that with x number of e-mails waiting for me to read I'm just going to throw out and skip anything that requires extra time and effort to read. So my point here is it isn't just a case of sighted people doing this, but there are blind people such as myself who quickly toss out anything that isn't immediately clear from the start as well. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via
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Hello all, I may not be the moderator for this mailing list, but this has to stop right now. People are accusing each other or flaming each other on this mailing list, you name it. Also, rude insults are being traded around, like the foul word that one of the list members has used on the audyssey list today to a member on this mailing list. Clearly, insulting people is a sign of immaturity to one another, and it will not get anyone anywhere in life. Charles, Bryan, Thomas and various other list members are not attempting to bash Michael, Joseph, they are only trying to help him communicate in a much more clearer manner so he would not get into a situation like this ever again.If I am not mistaken, and if my knowledge is correct, Thomas Ward, a moderator for this list, has clearly stated that constructive criticism and rude criticism are two different things. We all learn from our mistakes, and we are only trying to help Michael with his own communications skills. I suggest that you, Joseph, do refrain from insulting other people and using foul language on this mailing list. In fact, writing like this will not get you anywhere in life, you need to be more civil when you write to other people, it does not matter weather they are on a mailing list or not. - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? While I appreciate the fact that you are trying to defend your friend... we have not flamed him, merely given him suggestions. I suggest we all just let this thread drop... the discussion is over... and as shown by the post below now it's gone to rude comments and insults flying around. - Original Message - From: Joseph Weaver jweaver1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Don't flame michael and I will not flame you. My screen reader read the post fine so you need to stop letting the shark bite you in the butt. Sent from my iPhone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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First of all, now you're just being unreasonable... second, I haven't had anything to do with what you call flaming Michael... have simply tried to help as best I can. Third... in some places, this would be known as trolling on your part. But that's beside the point. If you don't like seeing what you read, then don't read it... it's that simple. Throwing around insults doesn't help anyone, least of all yourself. - Original Message - From: Joseph Weaver jweaver1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? I disagree you all do this to him all the time. Sent from my iPhone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hasn't it already been stated that perfection is not expected and that a few mistakes are OK? It's the blatancy that should be curtailed. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Charles, while checking for understandability is all well and good... there's a fine line between lack of that and simple spelling errors. Unless it is a major one, you can still understand the post. Punctuation is the same thing... a couple of missing punctuation points aren't the problem. And we originally started this thread as blind people not having the best communication skills to them... and while I think we should enforce that, turning this into a list of messages with perfect spelling and punctuation sounds too much like a police state. I'm all for good spelling and punctuation and grammar, but... there's a limit to how much that should be enforced. See what I there in the last sentence? Should that one sentence mean my entire message is banned, or that I have to resend the whole thing again simply because of that one error? - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? If you have been reading messages that I have posted, you would have seen that on at least 2 occasions, I have very clearly stated that there are people who do not use English as their first language, and I have no problem with that reason. If you have been following this thread, you also have noticed that I am not the only one on the list who is of the same opinion I have. And, as for starting my own list?, I do co-own a list of general chat, assistance with blind related issues, kidding around, and what ever else as long as it is family oriented. One of the guidelines is that you check your messages for understandability before sending them, and we do not have any of the problems discussed in this thread, and the guideline does not offend one! single! member! that we are aware of. The main reason, though, that I am responding to your message is that I figure that, seeing as you blast me unnecessarily for all the list to see, I think that they should all see my response. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? One question, is this a gaming list or English list. Just because Charles gets his nose bent on reading email by people in other countries. Don't mean we put this crap in the guidelines. If you want that rule Charles. Then start your own list and you will be happy to know. Your the only member! Back to games if this still is a gaming list. At 05:09 AM 12/18/2011, you wrote: I completely concure on the points suggested, such as putting proofreading elements in the guidelines. However, I think we are all probably taking this a little too far, although I could be wrong. I just don't want people posting to the list and having to check several things, and thus getting borred of doing this every time they have to send a message. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
If that was stated then I appologize. I may have missed it... but I do agree with that statement. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Hasn't it already been stated that perfection is not expected and that a few mistakes are OK? It's the blatancy that should be curtailed. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Charles, while checking for understandability is all well and good... there's a fine line between lack of that and simple spelling errors. Unless it is a major one, you can still understand the post. Punctuation is the same thing... a couple of missing punctuation points aren't the problem. And we originally started this thread as blind people not having the best communication skills to them... and while I think we should enforce that, turning this into a list of messages with perfect spelling and punctuation sounds too much like a police state. I'm all for good spelling and punctuation and grammar, but... there's a limit to how much that should be enforced. See what I there in the last sentence? Should that one sentence mean my entire message is banned, or that I have to resend the whole thing again simply because of that one error? - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? If you have been reading messages that I have posted, you would have seen that on at least 2 occasions, I have very clearly stated that there are people who do not use English as their first language, and I have no problem with that reason. If you have been following this thread, you also have noticed that I am not the only one on the list who is of the same opinion I have. And, as for starting my own list?, I do co-own a list of general chat, assistance with blind related issues, kidding around, and what ever else as long as it is family oriented. One of the guidelines is that you check your messages for understandability before sending them, and we do not have any of the problems discussed in this thread, and the guideline does not offend one! single! member! that we are aware of. The main reason, though, that I am responding to your message is that I figure that, seeing as you blast me unnecessarily for all the list to see, I think that they should all see my response. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? One question, is this a gaming list or English list. Just because Charles gets his nose bent on reading email by people in other countries. Don't mean we put this crap in the guidelines. If you want that rule Charles. Then start your own list and you will be happy to know. Your the only member! Back to games if this still is a gaming list. At 05:09 AM 12/18/2011, you wrote: I completely concure on the points suggested, such as putting proofreading elements in the guidelines. However, I think we are all probably taking this a little too far, although I could be wrong. I just don't want people posting to the list and having to check several things, and thus getting borred of doing this every time they have to send a message. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hello Charles, I agree with what you have said as well. - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? If that was stated then I appologize. I may have missed it... but I do agree with that statement. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Hasn't it already been stated that perfection is not expected and that a few mistakes are OK? It's the blatancy that should be curtailed. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Charles, while checking for understandability is all well and good... there's a fine line between lack of that and simple spelling errors. Unless it is a major one, you can still understand the post. Punctuation is the same thing... a couple of missing punctuation points aren't the problem. And we originally started this thread as blind people not having the best communication skills to them... and while I think we should enforce that, turning this into a list of messages with perfect spelling and punctuation sounds too much like a police state. I'm all for good spelling and punctuation and grammar, but... there's a limit to how much that should be enforced. See what I there in the last sentence? Should that one sentence mean my entire message is banned, or that I have to resend the whole thing again simply because of that one error? - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? If you have been reading messages that I have posted, you would have seen that on at least 2 occasions, I have very clearly stated that there are people who do not use English as their first language, and I have no problem with that reason. If you have been following this thread, you also have noticed that I am not the only one on the list who is of the same opinion I have. And, as for starting my own list?, I do co-own a list of general chat, assistance with blind related issues, kidding around, and what ever else as long as it is family oriented. One of the guidelines is that you check your messages for understandability before sending them, and we do not have any of the problems discussed in this thread, and the guideline does not offend one! single! member! that we are aware of. The main reason, though, that I am responding to your message is that I figure that, seeing as you blast me unnecessarily for all the list to see, I think that they should all see my response. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? One question, is this a gaming list or English list. Just because Charles gets his nose bent on reading email by people in other countries. Don't mean we put this crap in the guidelines. If you want that rule Charles. Then start your own list and you will be happy to know. Your the only member! Back to games if this still is a gaming list. At 05:09 AM 12/18/2011, you wrote: I completely concure on the points suggested, such as putting proofreading elements in the guidelines. However, I think we are all probably taking this a little too far, although I could be wrong. I just don't want people posting to the list and having to check several things, and thus getting borred of doing this every time they have to send a message. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Compare your own message content to that of others, with an open mind, and you answer is right there for you to see. You have given not one bit of constructive criticism. Others have, and given their reasons for doing so. You gripe, complain, curse, flame, and most of what the list guidelines don't allow. Others have sent intelligent posts to the list. Michael has not been targeted other than as someone who has been helped and been given suggestions on how to improve. Keep in mind that when you point a finger at someone, the other 3 are pointing back at you. As far as not choosing to play the games developed by anyone other than Jim Kitchen, that's your choice. Your reasoning, however, is not based on fact, but on an opinion based on the fact that you don't pay attention to what has been said. As for your gaming enjoyment, I'm sorry that your choices will be so limited based on your wrong opinions. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Joseph Weaver jweaver1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Do we seriously have to have this bash michael party every few month. This is why I don't play your games or talk much because you guys are just looking for people to tear down. That's why I will only ever play Jims games. Cause as a developer he is the nicest guy I've met. You guys need to quit being hatefully to the people who support you. I think if moderators were doing their jobs the topic would have done been closes and changed. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with both Thomas and charles. I'm on so many lists that if I see an email I know I won't be able to read without taking a lot of time, I won't bother. As I said earlier, it isn't exactly the hardest thing in the world to proofread an email as you go. This makes yourself look better, and it takes less effort for others to understand you, which means they'll be more likely to want to listen to what you have to say. And to Joseph... this was never meant to insult Michael, simply our reaction to his complaint about Mario's bad response to his continuous emails about Silversword accessibility, which has lead to a discussion as well as an attempt to educate some people on list who seem to have the same problem when they post here. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? I receive a few hundred Emails on most days, and there are some Emails that, when I see that they are written by certain people, I hit the delete key. I already know that I won't be able to understand them because of their lack of communication skills. It's not because they don't use English as their native language. It's because they write horribly. I, and others, used to try to help them become more understandable, but all they did was to get mad, and no improvements were made. It's not because they can't, but because they! won't! They just don't care. As a result, even if I could help them through a spot in a game, or if I could help them with a problem with their computer, or if I could give them tips on how to barbecue, I'll never even see their questions, because they refuse to do even minor work on being understood. It's their loss, not mine. Sad, but true. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Hi Chris, All good points. I'd like to add that I'm on a number of technology lists and forums, and I largely read and respond to e-mails based on reputation. By reputation I mean weather the person can write clearly, if there aren't a lot of grammar and spelling errors, and weather or not the e-mails use proper punctuation. Is that unfair? No. Even using a screen reader like Jaws, NVDA, or Window-Eyes things like spelling errors, grammatical errors, and lack of punctuation make it difficult to listen to a poorly written e-mail. Lack of punctuation means the screen reader won't pause properly between natural sentense breaks and it makes it difficult to listen to the message. Spelling and grammar errors will cause the screen reader to say things incorrectly forcing me to stop the speech and review the line word by word to get the context of the message. If I have to do that with x number of e-mails waiting for me to read I'm just going to throw out and skip anything that requires extra time and effort to read. So my point here is it isn't just a
[Audyssey] Sunday's Out of Sight events
Here are the events scheduled for Sunday, December 18th: From the Pulpit 11:00 AM eastern Hosted by Lee Location: House of Our Lord Come listen to a live service, which will include, worship, music, preaching, and special singing. Zilch 4:00 PM eastern Hosted by Roger Location: Game Zone Roll the dice and take your chances! Try to snag as many points as possible but you better know when to quit otherwise, you'll lose it all and Zilch out! Drop by for some fun and excitement because you never know who will win until the final dice roll! No software to download and it only takes a few minutes to get the hang of the game. Polished Zilch players and new folk are most welcome! From the Pulpit Evening Service 6:30 PM eastern Hosted by Lee Location: House of Our Lord Come listen to a live service, which will include, worship, music, preaching, and special singing. Connect Three 8:00 PM eastern Hosted by Suzy B. Location: Game Zone Join Suzy for a new game we like to call connect three. It is somewhat like Tri bond for those of you who have played the game. We will give you three words and you give us the answer that connects the 3 words. See you there! Have a nice day! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Are we Done Yet
Hi, I'd love to know why you're being conservatism into this discussion. I too am a conservative, and I can say that part of the philosiph of convertaism relates to not being lazy. As was previously stated, many people who end up with horrible grammar and speling erros are native English speakrs, and it is only due ot sheer laziness that they refuse to attempt to type with better grammar. I do't think we should all have to know how to use who and whom, but... Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Strunk Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:18 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Are we Done Yet I come back to the Audyssey list after a few days, and we're flooded with messages which appear to have been spawned as a result of a few of you getting your shorts in a twist over typos. Seriously people? And you want to put proper grammar in the guidelines? Tongue in cheek note: one of the biggest proponents of doing so is a staunch conservative! You should be arguing for less moderation, not more. So look. First and foremost, typos, bad spelling, and bad grammar are not endemic to blind people. Examples, even websites, abound of typos made by the Average Joe on a daily basis. I checked. I don't think I need tell you--though I'm going to anyway because I like the view from my high horse--that since blind people make up one third of one percent of this country, there's a 99.7% chance those typos were made by the sighted. In fact, just as I finished typing the previous sentence, this came across my Twitter feed: Username posted I do believe the customer service rep at my bank meant I need to add a recipient on my account, not a reciprocant. Case, meet point. You guys should go grab a cup of coffee or something. Get to know each other. So why are we getting so thoroughly riled up about this business of hard to understand posts? It seems to me that one of the following methods should solve your problem nicely. 1. Delete posts from people you can't stand to read. I'm going to come right out and say that there are about six people on this who I flatly refuse to read posts from, either because they're posts are downright hard to read or because they contribute nothing to any discussion.* You should try it. You'd be amazed how much time and frustration you'll save yourself. *The first clause of that paragraph's first sentence contained a hanging preposition. Sorry about that, but I'm too lazy to fix it. Please don't start a new thread over it. 2. Take your frustration off list. If you're tired of poorly-composed emails and you want something done about it, try approaching the offender off list with an offer of help. Publically blasting them for their shortcomings just makes you look petty. Which leads me to point 3. 3. GET OVER IT! This is my favorite method of dealing with the problem, and you wouldn't believe how much it has cut down on the stress in my life. There are things in life that are worth getting worked up over, and there are things that are not. Having a bird flap down to the rock you're chained to and eating your liver every day should piss you off. Reading poorly-written emails should not. I'm going to pick on Dark for a minute because I respect the guy, I know he can take it, and because he has said himself that he has a lax attitude toward spelling in informal communication. His lack of properly-doubled letters used to piss me off to no end, and I would get thoroughly angry when I read his posts. At some point, though, I realized that, in spite of the occasional hiccups he gave my speech synthesizer, his writings contained a great deal of well-reasoned, intelligent material and were worth reading, warts and all. Are proper spelling and grammar important? Absolutely--on tests, job applications, cover letters, grant requests, and any number of other professional documents. But this list is not a professional document; it's a hobby.* Treat it as such. Enjoy it. Have fun with it. Don't use it as a place to vent your frustrations on blind people with poor literacy skills. *except for those of you who write 30 posts a day. For you, it's a way of life. When Jeremy Hartley started the Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? thread, he dispensed some excellent advice about working with the sighted public, specifically mainstream developers. Since then, the thread has been high jacked by people who insist on turning the blind gamers list into grammar school. If those of you who are guilty of this really want to help fix the situation, see method 2 above and keep your criticisms off the list. And if you still can't get over it, go shoot a zombie in the face. It will be much more productive, and it will save the rest of us the clutter. Now if you'll pardon me, I'm getting saddle sores. Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] Are we Done Yet
Ryan, The real reason that this thread grew is because of an incident involving an external game developer, who may very well be less likely to consider accessibility for his games in the future. Personally, I could go either way on list moderation, but when it comes to off-list communication with developers, the standards are different. A lot of the thread was specific to that topic. Just FYI. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote: I come back to the Audyssey list after a few days, and we're flooded with messages which appear to have been spawned as a result of a few of you getting your shorts in a twist over typos. Seriously people? And you want to put proper grammar in the guidelines? Tongue in cheek note: one of the biggest proponents of doing so is a staunch conservative! You should be arguing for less moderation, not more. So look. First and foremost, typos, bad spelling, and bad grammar are not endemic to blind people. Examples, even websites, abound of typos made by the Average Joe on a daily basis. I checked. I don't think I need tell you--though I'm going to anyway because I like the view from my high horse--that since blind people make up one third of one percent of this country, there's a 99.7% chance those typos were made by the sighted. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Just starting out on SoundRTS.
That's really dependent on the map your playing. If you could give a few more details that would be great. - Original Message - From: Lindsay Cowell lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 03:43:55 + Subject: [Audyssey] Just starting out on SoundRTS. Hi guys, I have just started playing SoundRTS and am looking for strategies to get through it. Does anyone have any advice for beginners? Lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Proofreading Guidelines was Blind Gamers Being TakenSeriously?
I honestly don't care one way or the other what the decision about proofreading guidelines are going to be. I think it's important that people proof their emails in general. Writing messages off list to those who might have stated a particular sentence unclearly may come off as condescending, and again, it's putting an awful lot of work on yourselves. Personally, I think just a simple guideline asking people to proof their emails would be more than sufficient. Just my 0.02, which may become a dollar with inflation. Meka - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:28 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Proofreading Guidelines was Blind Gamers Being TakenSeriously? Hi Meka and all, Back when we were discussing the proofreading guidelines for the list we were considering something very basic that most people should be able to follow without too much explanation. For example, let's take punctuation. Now, we know there are some more advanced punctuation rules such as using colons, semi-colons, and dashes that may be unfamiliar to some of our list members. We would be willing to overlook things like that because there are plenty of people who are sighted that aren't sure where to put a colon or where a semi-colon should be used instead of a comma. However, everyone blind or sighted should be able to know where and when to use basic punctuation rules like periods, questions, and exclamation points. We base this on the fact that anyone over 10 years old in the United States should be able to recognize the difference between a declarative sentence, exclamatory sentence, or question. In fact, my son is only seven years old and he can tell you when and where to put a period or question mark. So its not unreasonable to ask list members---who are likely older than seven---to complete sentences with a period or question mark at a bare minimum. As far as spelling goes it is usually pretty obvious when someone doesn't attempt to proofread a message for spelling errors. One or two can be overlooked but if a message is full of several mistakes its going to be rather obvious that the person has not made any effort to proofread the message before sending. Most e-mail clients such as Thunderbird, Windows Live Mail, Microsoft Outlook, etc come with spell checkers so there really isn't an excuse not to spell check a document to get a reasonable amount of accuracy on the final draft. The same holds true for grammar. Its a given certain words can be very confusing for a blind user. The English language is full of words that sound alike but have totally different meanings such as: to, too, two, there, their, they're, sale, sail, here, hear, stake, steak, where, and wear.Some spell checkers will catch the grammatical mistake, but some won't. In a case like that a moderator would overlook the mistake as long as the message was otherwise pretty free of errors. Trust me when I say we understand how something like that could be confusing if a person is using speech instead of braille or visual reinforcement. If it is something more obvious like a double negative the moderator could write the person off list suggesting how to restate the sentence so it is more grammatically correct. The purpose wouldn't be to put the person down but merely to instruct them how to improve there language/communication skills. For example, let's assume someone writes, I didn't find no ammo in Shades of Doom. Some people might not realize that is a double negative, is grammatically incorrect, and might just need a reminder how to restructure that sentence to read, I didn't find any ammo in Shades of Doom. That doesn't mean we--the moderators---would hound people, but would merely make recommendations and suggestions that would improve their communication skills. I for one can't see it as anything other than being helpful and an improvement for the person. Of course, a lot depends on if the person wants the help, wants to change, or continue to compose poorly written messages. In a case like that if a person continues to write messages that are difficult to read the moderators would then go to the next step by moderating or banning them from the list until the quality of their posts improves. However, we wouldn't take a serious action like banning them without giving them a number of chances to correct the problems first. Cheers! On 12/17/11, Meka White, LMP m...@melodicmassage.com wrote: I would hope that this would be more of a guideline encouraging people to proofread their emails rather than a hard and fast rule, because where do you draw the line on coming down on someone? One mispelled word? Two? A misused comma? Don't get me wrong, I am a huge proponent of proofing what you write. it's a good, courteous habit to start laying down, but do you really want to create that much more work for yourselves? Warmly, Meka
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
You have been the only person in this entire thread to engage in flaming behavior. Check yourself before you go doing it again. You are the only person who has been specifically warned by a moderator. Again, check yourself. Chris Bartlett -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Weaver Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 12:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? I disagree you all do this to him all the time. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2011, at 12:08 PM, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: While I appreciate the fact that you are trying to defend your friend... we have not flamed him, merely given him suggestions. I suggest we all just let this thread drop... the discussion is over... and as shown by the post below now it's gone to rude comments and insults flying around. - Original Message - From: Joseph Weaver jweaver1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Don't flame michael and I will not flame you. My screen reader read the post fine so you need to stop letting the shark bite you in the butt. Sent from my iPhone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
Shard Workshop was born 11.11.11. Tonight you are all witnesses of its real initiation in the world of audiogaming. Shard Workshop is proud to annouce that its first audiogame, Zero Sight, has been released just now. You can find all the details at http://www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight We strongly advise you to try the demo before buying the game, just to be 100% that it works on your machine. If you happen to have technical problems write on the official support thread, http://www.shardworkshop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=50 We know that this is just the first of a long series of releases and audiogames that will really change the way you play. Remember, this is just the beginning of the audiorevolution... Good luck, pilots.. and let us know what you think. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Are we Done Yet
That's my point you don't know michael yet your judging him. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I'd love to know why you're being conservatism into this discussion. I too am a conservative, and I can say that part of the philosiph of convertaism relates to not being lazy. As was previously stated, many people who end up with horrible grammar and speling erros are native English speakrs, and it is only due ot sheer laziness that they refuse to attempt to type with better grammar. I do't think we should all have to know how to use who and whom, but... Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Strunk Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:18 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Are we Done Yet I come back to the Audyssey list after a few days, and we're flooded with messages which appear to have been spawned as a result of a few of you getting your shorts in a twist over typos. Seriously people? And you want to put proper grammar in the guidelines? Tongue in cheek note: one of the biggest proponents of doing so is a staunch conservative! You should be arguing for less moderation, not more. So look. First and foremost, typos, bad spelling, and bad grammar are not endemic to blind people. Examples, even websites, abound of typos made by the Average Joe on a daily basis. I checked. I don't think I need tell you--though I'm going to anyway because I like the view from my high horse--that since blind people make up one third of one percent of this country, there's a 99.7% chance those typos were made by the sighted. In fact, just as I finished typing the previous sentence, this came across my Twitter feed: Username posted I do believe the customer service rep at my bank meant I need to add a recipient on my account, not a reciprocant. Case, meet point. You guys should go grab a cup of coffee or something. Get to know each other. So why are we getting so thoroughly riled up about this business of hard to understand posts? It seems to me that one of the following methods should solve your problem nicely. 1. Delete posts from people you can't stand to read. I'm going to come right out and say that there are about six people on this who I flatly refuse to read posts from, either because they're posts are downright hard to read or because they contribute nothing to any discussion.* You should try it. You'd be amazed how much time and frustration you'll save yourself. *The first clause of that paragraph's first sentence contained a hanging preposition. Sorry about that, but I'm too lazy to fix it. Please don't start a new thread over it. 2. Take your frustration off list. If you're tired of poorly-composed emails and you want something done about it, try approaching the offender off list with an offer of help. Publically blasting them for their shortcomings just makes you look petty. Which leads me to point 3. 3. GET OVER IT! This is my favorite method of dealing with the problem, and you wouldn't believe how much it has cut down on the stress in my life. There are things in life that are worth getting worked up over, and there are things that are not. Having a bird flap down to the rock you're chained to and eating your liver every day should piss you off. Reading poorly-written emails should not. I'm going to pick on Dark for a minute because I respect the guy, I know he can take it, and because he has said himself that he has a lax attitude toward spelling in informal communication. His lack of properly-doubled letters used to piss me off to no end, and I would get thoroughly angry when I read his posts. At some point, though, I realized that, in spite of the occasional hiccups he gave my speech synthesizer, his writings contained a great deal of well-reasoned, intelligent material and were worth reading, warts and all. Are proper spelling and grammar important? Absolutely--on tests, job applications, cover letters, grant requests, and any number of other professional documents. But this list is not a professional document; it's a hobby.* Treat it as such. Enjoy it. Have fun with it. Don't use it as a place to vent your frustrations on blind people with poor literacy skills. *except for those of you who write 30 posts a day. For you, it's a way of life. When Jeremy Hartley started the Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? thread, he dispensed some excellent advice about working with the sighted public, specifically mainstream developers. Since then, the thread has been high jacked by people who insist on turning the blind gamers list into grammar school. If those of you who are guilty of this really want to help fix the situation, see method 2 above and keep your criticisms off the list. And if you still can't get over it, go shoot a zombie in the face. It will
Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
Brilliant. This are really wonderful news. I will try it out as soon as I have some free time. Cheers and many thanks for the game! I was dreaming for a game like this! Jorge Gonçalves jopo...@hotmail.com Skype: joport3 Twitter: www.twitter.com/goncalvesjorge Webpage: www.jorgegoncalves.com On 12/19/2011 12:01 AM, Shard Workshop wrote: Shard Workshop was born 11.11.11. Tonight you are all witnesses of its real initiation in the world of audiogaming. Shard Workshop is proud to annouce that its first audiogame, Zero Sight, has been released just now. You can find all the details at http://www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight We strongly advise you to try the demo before buying the game, just to be 100% that it works on your machine. If you happen to have technical problems write on the official support thread, http://www.shardworkshop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=50 We know that this is just the first of a long series of releases and audiogames that will really change the way you play. Remember, this is just the beginning of the audiorevolution... Good luck, pilots.. and let us know what you think. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Are we Done Yet
Hey, Joseph. Thanks for defending me. However people this whole thing needs to stop and let's get back to gaming! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Are we Done Yet
I agree this is all judgmental and elementary. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2011, at 7:43 PM, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: Hey, Joseph. Thanks for defending me. However people this whole thing needs to stop and let's get back to gaming! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
I am looking for the manual and I am unable to find it. I cannot find it on the website for in the program group in the start menu. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shard Workshop Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! Shard Workshop was born 11.11.11. Tonight you are all witnesses of its real initiation in the world of audiogaming. Shard Workshop is proud to annouce that its first audiogame, Zero Sight, has been released just now. You can find all the details at http://www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight We strongly advise you to try the demo before buying the game, just to be 100% that it works on your machine. If you happen to have technical problems write on the official support thread, http://www.shardworkshop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=50 We know that this is just the first of a long series of releases and audiogames that will really change the way you play. Remember, this is just the beginning of the audiorevolution... Good luck, pilots.. and let us know what you think. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
It is in the game folder. The default is c:\program files\shard workshop\zero sight. 2011/12/19 Reinhard Stebner raydar11...@yahoo.com I am looking for the manual and I am unable to find it. I cannot find it on the website for in the program group in the start menu. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shard Workshop Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! Shard Workshop was born 11.11.11. Tonight you are all witnesses of its real initiation in the world of audiogaming. Shard Workshop is proud to annouce that its first audiogame, Zero Sight, has been released just now. You can find all the details at http://www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight We strongly advise you to try the demo before buying the game, just to be 100% that it works on your machine. If you happen to have technical problems write on the official support thread, http://www.shardworkshop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=50 We know that this is just the first of a long series of releases and audiogames that will really change the way you play. Remember, this is just the beginning of the audiorevolution... Good luck, pilots.. and let us know what you think. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] JAWS screen reader version 12 with MIRC
Hi everybody, I need some help with something, and even though this isn't exactly game specific, it's still game related and you all could probably help me. I play some online games and my buddies who play use IRC chat client to play. I downloaded the MIRC program that lends a more friendly user interface to IRC. I know that the MIRC program can be configured for better JAWS use, but I'm not sure how. Can any of you all help me out? I'm using JAWS version 12 and the latest MIRC version from www.mirc.com. Any help/suggestions on how I can better configurate JAWS to work with this would be much appreciated. I just need pointers in the right direction as I'm not even sure where to begin. /smiles/ Thanks all, Laurel and Stockard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
Hi yep will give it a try when i can not normely the kind of game i'm good at but really think i'll give the demmo a try then if i like it concidder buying it. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
Great! 2011/12/19 Ian McNamara ianandri...@googlemail.com Hi yep will give it a try when i can not normely the kind of game i'm good at but really think i'll give the demmo a try then if i like it concidder buying it. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Are we Done Yet
Hi, i've kept out of this as long as i can. i am sick of reading the flaming. i am going to make one point and one point only, then i'm saying no more on this subject. as it's gone way to far and turned in to a slanging match. it was at first giving constructive advice. Joseph it is true what people are saying, no one was intending to bash michael, they were just giving michael constructive advice on his actions. it was not any kind of bashing. I have been subject to that on list before now but took the problem to the person off list. From what i have read, you are the only person that is being abusive to people, no one has been abusive to michael. only trying to help him so that in the future when he sends an email to a developer for help he won't get the reaction that he got from mario. Now people as someone has already said before this subject turns in to a list war i vote that we leave it and get back to what this list is about gaming. I don't know about others but i don't want my inbox flooded for days with all this flaming. Please joseph i urge you to appolijise to the list for your languidge and abuse because as i say you are the only one that abused people on the list. I am not having a go just giving friendly advice. I've checked this email threw as well to check how it sounds on my screen reader. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
Hi Lorenzo, I ordered the game something like an hour ago, and it said I should've received an eMail within half an hour. Was it referring to the conformation eMail, or the eMail giving the actual order information? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shard Workshop Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 8:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! Great! 2011/12/19 Ian McNamara ianandri...@googlemail.com Hi yep will give it a try when i can not normely the kind of game i'm good at but really think i'll give the demmo a try then if i like it concidder buying it. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2108/4088 - Release Date: 12/18/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
Hi Lorenzo, Perhaps you might consider adding the manual to the program group? That tends to be the standard. And I just sent an eMail regarding my order: ignore it. It seems as if my download got sent before the confirmation eMail...lol Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shard Workshop Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:24 PM To: raydar11...@yahoo.com; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! It is in the game folder. The default is c:\program files\shard workshop\zero sight. 2011/12/19 Reinhard Stebner raydar11...@yahoo.com I am looking for the manual and I am unable to find it. I cannot find it on the website for in the program group in the start menu. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shard Workshop Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! Shard Workshop was born 11.11.11. Tonight you are all witnesses of its real initiation in the world of audiogaming. Shard Workshop is proud to annouce that its first audiogame, Zero Sight, has been released just now. You can find all the details at http://www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight We strongly advise you to try the demo before buying the game, just to be 100% that it works on your machine. If you happen to have technical problems write on the official support thread, http://www.shardworkshop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=50 We know that this is just the first of a long series of releases and audiogames that will really change the way you play. Remember, this is just the beginning of the audiorevolution... Good luck, pilots.. and let us know what you think. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2108/4088 - Release Date: 12/18/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] JAWS screen reader version 12 with MIRC
Hi, what kind of online games do you play? Just interested as i'm looking to play more on line stuff. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Are we Done Yet
Hi, I am not judging Michael. I didn't mean to infer that he was lazy, that's why I prefaced that with the question as to why conservatism remark got injected into the conversation. But I have to agree this has gotten crazily out of hand, so I don't want you to assume what I'm saying to be bashing you. I simply think you have taken things way out of proportion. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Weaver Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:35 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Are we Done Yet That's my point you don't know michael yet your judging him. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I'd love to know why you're being conservatism into this discussion. I too am a conservative, and I can say that part of the philosiph of convertaism relates to not being lazy. As was previously stated, many people who end up with horrible grammar and speling erros are native English speakrs, and it is only due ot sheer laziness that they refuse to attempt to type with better grammar. I do't think we should all have to know how to use who and whom, but... Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Strunk Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:18 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Are we Done Yet I come back to the Audyssey list after a few days, and we're flooded with messages which appear to have been spawned as a result of a few of you getting your shorts in a twist over typos. Seriously people? And you want to put proper grammar in the guidelines? Tongue in cheek note: one of the biggest proponents of doing so is a staunch conservative! You should be arguing for less moderation, not more. So look. First and foremost, typos, bad spelling, and bad grammar are not endemic to blind people. Examples, even websites, abound of typos made by the Average Joe on a daily basis. I checked. I don't think I need tell you--though I'm going to anyway because I like the view from my high horse--that since blind people make up one third of one percent of this country, there's a 99.7% chance those typos were made by the sighted. In fact, just as I finished typing the previous sentence, this came across my Twitter feed: Username posted I do believe the customer service rep at my bank meant I need to add a recipient on my account, not a reciprocant. Case, meet point. You guys should go grab a cup of coffee or something. Get to know each other. So why are we getting so thoroughly riled up about this business of hard to understand posts? It seems to me that one of the following methods should solve your problem nicely. 1. Delete posts from people you can't stand to read. I'm going to come right out and say that there are about six people on this who I flatly refuse to read posts from, either because they're posts are downright hard to read or because they contribute nothing to any discussion.* You should try it. You'd be amazed how much time and frustration you'll save yourself. *The first clause of that paragraph's first sentence contained a hanging preposition. Sorry about that, but I'm too lazy to fix it. Please don't start a new thread over it. 2. Take your frustration off list. If you're tired of poorly-composed emails and you want something done about it, try approaching the offender off list with an offer of help. Publically blasting them for their shortcomings just makes you look petty. Which leads me to point 3. 3. GET OVER IT! This is my favorite method of dealing with the problem, and you wouldn't believe how much it has cut down on the stress in my life. There are things in life that are worth getting worked up over, and there are things that are not. Having a bird flap down to the rock you're chained to and eating your liver every day should piss you off. Reading poorly-written emails should not. I'm going to pick on Dark for a minute because I respect the guy, I know he can take it, and because he has said himself that he has a lax attitude toward spelling in informal communication. His lack of properly-doubled letters used to piss me off to no end, and I would get thoroughly angry when I read his posts. At some point, though, I realized that, in spite of the occasional hiccups he gave my speech synthesizer, his writings contained a great deal of well-reasoned, intelligent material and were worth reading, warts and all. Are proper spelling and grammar important? Absolutely--on tests, job applications, cover letters, grant requests, and any number of other professional documents. But this list is not a professional document; it's a hobby.* Treat it as such. Enjoy it. Have fun with it. Don't use it as a place to vent your frustrations on blind people with poor
Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
Do you know if you will ever add mouse support? I think mouse support would give finer control of the airplane and there are several audio games using this type of control as well. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shard Workshop Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! Great! 2011/12/19 Ian McNamara ianandri...@googlemail.com Hi yep will give it a try when i can not normely the kind of game i'm good at but really think i'll give the demmo a try then if i like it concidder buying it. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
For my fellow blind pilot love to be. I've already down loaded the demo. Man do we have a lot to learn. SMILES. I think the best thing for us to do is to write some Braille reminders of the shortcut keystrokes and their functions so that we can at least get off of the ground. SMILES. So that's my opinion of the new hand to ear flight simulator at this time. -Original Message- From: Shard Workshop Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:01 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! Shard Workshop was born 11.11.11. Tonight you are all witnesses of its real initiation in the world of audiogaming. Shard Workshop is proud to annouce that its first audiogame, Zero Sight, has been released just now. You can find all the details at http://www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight We strongly advise you to try the demo before buying the game, just to be 100% that it works on your machine. If you happen to have technical problems write on the official support thread, http://www.shardworkshop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=50 We know that this is just the first of a long series of releases and audiogames that will really change the way you play. Remember, this is just the beginning of the audiorevolution... Good luck, pilots.. and let us know what you think. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states that a service dog beats a cane hands down any day of the week. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
yeah. its looking good. one idea though, for the developer. would it be possible to set the directions, as compass directions? as its quite disorienting to have degrees that don't match up to compass headings. like, 0 being north, not east, 90 being east, 180 being south, and 270 being west? this would be a lot easier for those of us used to working with such directions from other devices and games. Dallas On 19/12/2011 13:49, Ron Kolesar wrote: For my fellow blind pilot love to be. I've already down loaded the demo. Man do we have a lot to learn. SMILES. I think the best thing for us to do is to write some Braille reminders of the shortcut keystrokes and their functions so that we can at least get off of the ground. SMILES. So that's my opinion of the new hand to ear flight simulator at this time. -Original Message- From: Shard Workshop Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:01 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! Shard Workshop was born 11.11.11. Tonight you are all witnesses of its real initiation in the world of audiogaming. Shard Workshop is proud to annouce that its first audiogame, Zero Sight, has been released just now. You can find all the details at http://www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight We strongly advise you to try the demo before buying the game, just to be 100% that it works on your machine. If you happen to have technical problems write on the official support thread, http://www.shardworkshop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=50 We know that this is just the first of a long series of releases and audiogames that will really change the way you play. Remember, this is just the beginning of the audiorevolution... Good luck, pilots.. and let us know what you think. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states that a service dog beats a cane hands down any day of the week. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
I too would appreciate that. I was always taught the following. Look at a clock. Each number of the clock equaled thirty degrees. But both either 0 and or 360 was north. 090 degrees with east. 180 was south, and 270 degrees was west. One other recommendation Any chance of writing in USB game pad and or USB flight yoke support into the game. I think this would be easier than trying to remember all of the keyboard commands. Just a thought to make the new sim as close to realistic as possible. Ron and trusty four pawed copilot/first officer Leader Dog Boz. -Original Message- From: Dallas O'Brien Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:55 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! yeah. its looking good. one idea though, for the developer. would it be possible to set the directions, as compass directions? as its quite disorienting to have degrees that don't match up to compass headings. like, 0 being north, not east, 90 being east, 180 being south, and 270 being west? this would be a lot easier for those of us used to working with such directions from other devices and games. Dallas On 19/12/2011 13:49, Ron Kolesar wrote: For my fellow blind pilot love to be. I've already down loaded the demo. Man do we have a lot to learn. SMILES. I think the best thing for us to do is to write some Braille reminders of the shortcut keystrokes and their functions so that we can at least get off of the ground. SMILES. So that's my opinion of the new hand to ear flight simulator at this time. -Original Message- From: Shard Workshop Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:01 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! Shard Workshop was born 11.11.11. Tonight you are all witnesses of its real initiation in the world of audiogaming. Shard Workshop is proud to annouce that its first audiogame, Zero Sight, has been released just now. You can find all the details at http://www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight We strongly advise you to try the demo before buying the game, just to be 100% that it works on your machine. If you happen to have technical problems write on the official support thread, http://www.shardworkshop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=50 We know that this is just the first of a long series of releases and audiogames that will really change the way you play. Remember, this is just the beginning of the audiorevolution... Good luck, pilots.. and let us know what you think. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states that a service dog beats a cane hands down any day of the week. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states that a service dog beats a cane hands down any day of the week. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
Hi, I was wondering about that myself. The good thing is with the navigator, and with the help of your radar, things are a little easier to work with. Still, though, it would be nice to have those line up. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! yeah. its looking good. one idea though, for the developer. would it be possible to set the directions, as compass directions? as its quite disorienting to have degrees that don't match up to compass headings. like, 0 being north, not east, 90 being east, 180 being south, and 270 being west? this would be a lot easier for those of us used to working with such directions from other devices and games. Dallas On 19/12/2011 13:49, Ron Kolesar wrote: For my fellow blind pilot love to be. I've already down loaded the demo. Man do we have a lot to learn. SMILES. I think the best thing for us to do is to write some Braille reminders of the shortcut keystrokes and their functions so that we can at least get off of the ground. SMILES. So that's my opinion of the new hand to ear flight simulator at this time. -Original Message- From: Shard Workshop Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:01 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! Shard Workshop was born 11.11.11. Tonight you are all witnesses of its real initiation in the world of audiogaming. Shard Workshop is proud to annouce that its first audiogame, Zero Sight, has been released just now. You can find all the details at http://www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight We strongly advise you to try the demo before buying the game, just to be 100% that it works on your machine. If you happen to have technical problems write on the official support thread, http://www.shardworkshop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=50 We know that this is just the first of a long series of releases and audiogames that will really change the way you play. Remember, this is just the beginning of the audiorevolution... Good luck, pilots.. and let us know what you think. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states that a service dog beats a cane hands down any day of the week. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2108/4088 - Release Date: 12/18/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
Hi, How could you possibly get finer control? Fractional degree markings? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Reinhard Stebner Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:49 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! Do you know if you will ever add mouse support? I think mouse support would give finer control of the airplane and there are several audio games using this type of control as well. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shard Workshop Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! Great! 2011/12/19 Ian McNamara ianandri...@googlemail.com Hi yep will give it a try when i can not normely the kind of game i'm good at but really think i'll give the demmo a try then if i like it concidder buying it. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2108/4088 - Release Date: 12/18/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] need a volunteer for a test
Hi there. I need a volunteer to help me out with a game test.. no, I am not developing, though that'd be fun. lol Email me offlist for further details if you meet the criteria: -- someone who knows how to play mainstream fighting games -- has a good computer optomized for gaming, preferably with a good video and sound card -- someone who doesn't mind downloading a decent-sized file with no guarantee of a 100% success rate. lol That's about it. Sorry to be specific, but it's a specific problem I'm having... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Monday's Out of Sight events
Here are the events scheduled for Monday, December 19th: Zilch 8:00 PM eastern Hosted by Patti W. Location: Game Zone Roll the dice and take your chances! Try to snag as many points as possible but you better know when to quit otherwise, you'll lose it all and Zilch out! Drop by for some fun and excitement because you never know who will win until the final dice roll! No software to download and it only takes a few minutes to get the hang of the game. Polished Zilch players and new folk are most welcome! OOS News 9:15 PM eastern Hosted by Rick Location: Entertainment Center Join Rick in the Entertainment Center room, Monday nights at 9:15 PM eastern for inter active discussions on news and other issue's that are important to us all. There will be a variety of subjects discussed to include the weeks biggest news, the stock market and how it affects us all. New medical findings, Medicare, Social Security and any other topics of interest. Have a great day! --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
when i take off can't seem to climb pressing down arrow is sending my nose up i know that, but i can't get the z key to make altitude climb. also i just seem to be flying around aimlessly in the free flight mode is this where no enemies are concerned? what will be the difference between option 2, map mode, and option 3, free flight, if i buy the game? also the overlapping announcements are confusing to be honest. On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:02 AM, Ron Kolesar wrote: I too would appreciate that. I was always taught the following. Look at a clock. Each number of the clock equaled thirty degrees. But both either 0 and or 360 was north. 090 degrees with east. 180 was south, and 270 degrees was west. One other recommendation Any chance of writing in USB game pad and or USB flight yoke support into the game. I think this would be easier than trying to remember all of the keyboard commands. Just a thought to make the new sim as close to realistic as possible. Ron and trusty four pawed copilot/first officer Leader Dog Boz. -Original Message- From: Dallas O'Brien Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:55 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! yeah. its looking good. one idea though, for the developer. would it be possible to set the directions, as compass directions? as its quite disorienting to have degrees that don't match up to compass headings. like, 0 being north, not east, 90 being east, 180 being south, and 270 being west? this would be a lot easier for those of us used to working with such directions from other devices and games. Dallas On 19/12/2011 13:49, Ron Kolesar wrote: For my fellow blind pilot love to be. I've already down loaded the demo. Man do we have a lot to learn. SMILES. I think the best thing for us to do is to write some Braille reminders of the shortcut keystrokes and their functions so that we can at least get off of the ground. SMILES. So that's my opinion of the new hand to ear flight simulator at this time. -Original Message- From: Shard Workshop Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:01 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! Shard Workshop was born 11.11.11. Tonight you are all witnesses of its real initiation in the world of audiogaming. Shard Workshop is proud to annouce that its first audiogame, Zero Sight, has been released just now. You can find all the details at http://www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight We strongly advise you to try the demo before buying the game, just to be 100% that it works on your machine. If you happen to have technical problems write on the official support thread, http://www.shardworkshop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=50 We know that this is just the first of a long series of releases and audiogames that will really change the way you play. Remember, this is just the beginning of the audiorevolution... Good luck, pilots.. and let us know what you think. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states that a service dog beats a cane hands down any day of the week. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states that a service dog beats a cane hands down any day of the week. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
[Audyssey] Moderator Let's Get Back on Topic
Hi everyone, I know being taken seriously is a major concern for many of us, but I think we've pretty much talked the topic into the ground at this point. So with that said let's begin winding the thread down and get things back on topic here. There seems to be plenty of other subjects we could discuss that would be more constructive. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
Hello, Is there a way to turn down the background main menu music? Some of the information being displayed is a little hard for me to understand. I hope that the game will continue to improve steadily with each update. Alfredo --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released!
Just downloading the demo now... can't wait... I genuinely couldn't sleep for excitement... Ben. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Alfredo_The_Music_maker Sent: 19 December 2011 07:02 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! Hello, Is there a way to turn down the background main menu music? Some of the information being displayed is a little hard for me to understand. I hope that the game will continue to improve steadily with each update. Alfredo --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1890 / Virus Database: 2108/4688 - Release Date: 12/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1890 / Virus Database: 2108/4688 - Release Date: 12/18/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hi. I've found that I also tend to do the proofreading as I write. I'll usually write a sentence, line or maybe a whole paragraph, then try to read it carefully to see what I did. I never type with keyboard echo turned on except on my MBook since it's keyboard is so much smaller I feel it's a good idea to have constant info on which buttons I'm hitting, at least for now. I find it less distracting to type on my computer with no typing echo. Especially since I type so fast I really don't get to hear what letters I actually hit anyway, except on that MBook I mentioned earlier. I think it was Thomas that mentioned colons, semi colons and dashes being semi acceptable errors. I hope so since I never really use them myself. Very occasionally I will try to use a dash to add a tidbit onto the end of a sentence, but I'm not really sure if I'm getting it right so usually I just find a way to make a new sentence out of it. One thing I notice a lot is messages where none of the word I's are capitalized. i think people usually do that when they type on something that speaks with a speech synthesizer besides Eloquence which doesn't read the word I differently than the letter i. i really find it difficult to understand sentences when Eloquence does strange inflections because of that. I think someone named Ian, please excuse if I'm using the wrong spelling for the name, who types on his iPhone is doing that a lot. I understand totally given the extra step to hit the shift key on all the uppercase letters. I try to take the time to do it myself. I can legitimately keep this one on topic because truthfully the reason I replied to your message was because of how I found out I really do proofread, while I write, rather than doing it, as you say, after the fact. Hmm think I used too many commas there. Anyway, when I play Alter Aeon, I use Monkey Term as my mud client of choice. Well, it doesn't do this on any other computer, or for any other players who use it- at least as far as I know, but when I do say line with JAWS to read my command before I hit enter to send it in, my carrot gets moved to the beginning of the line. That stinks because often I will read what I've got so far, then add a few more things onto the end, oops, beginning or perhaps somewhere in the middle, but certainly not the end, of the sentence. I've never seen that happen any where else but goodness it's annoying. Here I am typing a command, and I want to check what I have so far before I type too much to be able to read the beginning of the command, but that means when I type again my remaining part of the command gets put on the beginning. *ouch!* Oh, That reminds me. Those of you who'd like practice typing, and want to have fun while practicing, I suggest playing a mud like Alter Aeon. You have to type a lot to play, and if you socialize you'll be typing that much more. You'll eventually become faster too. You know, I just realized after I wrote that that there really aren't that many poor typers on there. Plenty of spelling errors and silly screw ups do to going too fast but the punctuation usually goes in some semblance of the right place. You should have heard me on my MBook earlier though. I was having a bad time of it, and trying to hurry to boot. I typed something to my clannies and hit enter. I swear I have no idea what I tried to write. It was only three words but I have no clue what those words were supposed to be- none of them were words I ever heard. Typos are funny to me as long as they don't get seen by the wrong people. I've managed to make the most amazing sounds by accident before. I use that Tiny Spell program someone mentioned on here earlier myself. Mostly I use it to try and make sure I don't mutilate anything when I'm writing room descriptions and stuff like that for Cyber Assault, where I'm a builder. Everybody simply has to know I write emails with Thunderbird given my persistent signature. I keep the option to spell check messages before sending turned on. When I hit ctrl+enter to send, I land in the spellchecker- assuming I made any typos that is, and I either go through the process of a good spell check or just hit alt+s to go ahead and send it. I saw some flaming going on regarding this subject. It was funny though that the flaming was all from people who didn't really take part in the discussion in any other way. Speaking of the discussion, it was a good one. I feel it was conducted in an unusually mature manner. I hope this kind of attitude remains apparent in the future when the list starts gnawing on a new subject with an ever lengthening thread. And that's that, another one of my long messages. Why do I always start writing whoppers at 2 in the morning. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.14 portable. On 12/18/2011 10:14 AM, Clement Chou wrote: While I don't disagree, it should be simple courtesy to check an email as you go for maximum
Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Let's Get Back on Topic
Hi. Whoops, I read a whole bunch of messages waiting to see if a moderator had closed the topic before I commented, but it looks like either I missed it or you closed it while I was writing my whopper. Apologies for that. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.14 portable. On 12/19/2011 1:59 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi everyone, I know being taken seriously is a major concern for many of us, but I think we've pretty much talked the topic into the ground at this point. So with that said let's begin winding the thread down and get things back on topic here. There seems to be plenty of other subjects we could discuss that would be more constructive. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] JAWS screen reader version 12 with MIRC
Hi. If those games are mud games, you can probably use a mud client like Vip Mud or Mush Client or Monkey Term and have an easier time of it. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.14 portable. On 12/18/2011 9:12 PM, Laurel wrote: Hi everybody, I need some help with something, and even though this isn't exactly game specific, it's still game related and you all could probably help me. I play some online games and my buddies who play use IRC chat client to play. I downloaded the MIRC program that lends a more friendly user interface to IRC. I know that the MIRC program can be configured for better JAWS use, but I'm not sure how. Can any of you all help me out? I'm using JAWS version 12 and the latest MIRC version from www.mirc.com. Any help/suggestions on how I can better configurate JAWS to work with this would be much appreciated. I just need pointers in the right direction as I'm not even sure where to begin. /smiles/ Thanks all, Laurel and Stockard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Let's Get Back on Topic
Hi Valiant, Well, just as long as you know the topic is closed now we are cool. I would have closed the topic much sooner, but I took the day off to watch movies with my family, go Christmas shopping, etc and didn't get back in until late. By the time I read my e-mail the topic had degenerated from a civil conversation to finger pointing and was quickly getting out of hand. So, yes, the topic is definitely officially closed for all who is concerned. Cheers! On 12/19/11, Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com wrote: Hi. Whoops, I read a whole bunch of messages waiting to see if a moderator had closed the topic before I commented, but it looks like either I missed it or you closed it while I was writing my whopper. Apologies for that. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.14 portable. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
