Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
Hi shaun, well this is probably a let-down for you, but after searching his Linked-In profile and following him on Twitter, I remembered that I'd contacted Justin some years ago so thought I would search my hard drive for his name. I came up empty but I did find a note from someone else whom had CC'ed him so there we go. I tried that email addie and bingo! :) So it just took a little creativity!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:36 PM, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I have no idea how to go about looking for someone's email if they don't want you to have it. true if its somewhere I may be able to hack the website but its never that simple. how did you do it. At 12:52 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Not to steal some of Josh's fire here :) but again, this touches on my point as well. While I personally would like to see these games stay supported for the community, I have to wonder, what in the world many people here expect of developers? Why is it right to treat Justin with such negativity? This is the sort of thing I'm getting at. Can we not offer positive support and suggestion here rather than constant and obnoxious criticism and derision? Why would anyone want to be involved with a community of insistent nay-sayers when all we need do is approach this another way? For myself, rather than argue and complain, I searched out Justin's email address, first by asking people and then, when that failed, I kept looking on my own and finally I found it. I contacted him and politely / positively brought up the consideration of selling the company or rights to the games so that they can continue to be supported. I don't even play Windows games. I did this for this community… This is what I'm suggesting when I mention getting involved. Rather than complain, take initiative for ourselves, and do something positive. Even if it's only a little thing but make a situation better not worse. Just do the best you can… -Make sense?… Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: We're still basically having to purchase them again as well as other products not everybody's going to be interested in. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:35 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… You could only say you're being forced to re-purchase products you already own if he was charging the full price…but he isn't. Not even close. You're effectively getting the majority of the products for free. But regardless, I've said my piece. I didn't expect many to agree with me. Carry on. :) On Apr 18, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: A little. It's one thing to offer the games and other programs he's written at ridiculously reduced prices. But it's quite another to basically force those who've already purchased said titles to basically purchase them again, as well as programs they may not necessarily want just so that they can get the code generator in order to keep playing their favorite titles on new machines. I myself would happily pay, if I could be assured of getting only those titles that I wanted, those being the code generator and possibly Day-by-Day Professional, because I already purchased the five major titles. It's not the fact that we have to pay that's got most of us upset so much as the fact that we're having to repurchase titles we purchased years ago on top of any new products we might want. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Draconis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… Hi all, BSC was a pioneer in the early days of accessible audio games for modern platforms. There are a handful of companies and developers without whom the industry would not exist as it does today, and Justin is one of those. I'm disappointed, but not really surprised, to see some of the sentiments being batted around on list. Essentially, like always, everyone wants something for nothing, and never mind the time, effort or trouble that Justin put into the games over the past dozen years, whether or not he has released anything new recently. The shortsightedness of the community is to its detriment. Kids won't be kids forever. Perhaps Justin is reserving the right to return to creating and/or updating these games eventually, when his kids are grown. Perhaps he just wants to be fairly compensated for the hours he
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi I to would like to see a accessible lord of the rings game where you can pick who you want to be and go through the game as that person say for instence Gandalf or Frodo or Golum. and I like the idea of a side scroler or fps lord of the rings game. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Interesting idea, but if not a roll playing game what kind of game would your ideal Lord of the Rings game be. Would it be a side-scroller, FPS, what? Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
Thomas, yes! these are the sorts of ideas we need more of! :) This is what I'm talkin' about! :) I think Shaun actually also brought this up as a possibility and it crossed my mind too but you two beat me to it! :) So thank you for suggesting this. I think something like this would be a terrific idea. Sure it would be great to have one of us own the company but community driven would even be better… If we all chipped in a little bit we might be able to not only raise the $75 but perhaps even make it worth Justin's consideration of making the code available. -Just a thought… I wonder if the community would be interested in this?… Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara Another option is Audyssey.org could start a Paypal account where everyone would donate x amount of money until the $75 is reached and then we could handle all free key replacements for BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com as a free service for the community. In that sense the games and the generator would be community property rather than belonging to any developer or company. Since Audyssey.org is a non-prophet organization we would maintain product keys and technical support as a community service free of charge. So might be the perfect solution to this problem if efforts to buy Blindsoftware.com falls through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi all. on the topic of the narnia books and if they are christion yes they in deed are. I once red a book I think it was cald the man who created narnia and it was a byography but in that book the author took each narnia book and broke it down to show the christion ellaments for instence he would say something like azlind dieing on the stone table is the same as christ dieing on the cross. to me that just killd the books for me right there. I couldn't read them any more with out feeling like the christion message was beaing shuvd down my throte. so that is what I have to say about that. now as for a lord of the rings game I would love to see a lord of the rings game. maybe using clips from the movies. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format nOw charles what a grilliant idea and a version of the hobbit as well. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] lord of the rings game thought - Re: Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Not sure. A side scroller, maybe even a 3 D one, would be interesting, especially when you get to Mordor. Maybe something along the lines of Ark of Hope. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Interesting idea, but if not a roll playing game what kind of game would your ideal Lord of the Rings game be. Would it be a side-scroller, FPS, what? Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
I like that second option. Not sure if a joint purchase among developers would succeed, but I know that hasn't been done very often. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey]BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… Hi Cara, It makes perfect sense, and I for one agree with you. We could use a lot less negativity and a little more constructive thought how we might keep these games alive for posterity. I for one have also have emailed Justin and have asked him if he'd be willing to sell the rights to Blindsoftware.com. So hopefully he will get back with you or I on that issue and be willing to sell his source to someone else who will carry the torch for BSC Games. Another option is Audyssey.org could start a Paypal account where everyone would donate x amount of money until the $75 is reached and then we could handle all free key replacements for BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com as a free service for the community. In that sense the games and the generator would be community property rather than belonging to any developer or company. Since Audyssey.org is a non-prophet organization we would maintain product keys and technical support as a community service free of charge. So might be the perfect solution to this problem if efforts to buy Blindsoftware.com falls through. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Not to steal some of Josh's fire here :) but again, this touches on my point as well. While I personally would like to see these games stay supported for the community, I have to wonder, what in the world many people here expect of developers? Why is it right to treat Justin with such negativity? This is the sort of thing I'm getting at. Can we not offer positive support and suggestion here rather than constant and obnoxious criticism and derision? Why would anyone want to be involved with a community of insistent nay-sayers when all we need do is approach this another way? For myself, rather than argue and complain, I searched out Justin's email address, first by asking people and then, when that failed, I kept looking on my own and finally I found it. I contacted him and politely / positively brought up the consideration of selling the company or rights to the games so that they can continue to be supported. I don't even play Windows games. I did this for this community… This is what I'm suggesting when I mention getting involved. Rather than complain, take initiative for ourselves, and do something positive. Even if it's only a little thing but make a situation better not worse. Just do the best you can… -Make sense?… Thanks, Cara :) --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
also if someone can purchase the rights to the titles can they be ported to mac and iOS for example? Draconis claim they are having IOS tiles, why not pipe 2 and troopanum for mac and IOS therefore for example, expanding the community options for these titles and revive them with new content perhaps? On 19 Apr 2013, at 08:11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I like that second option. Not sure if a joint purchase among developers would succeed, but I know that hasn't been done very often. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey]BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… Hi Cara, It makes perfect sense, and I for one agree with you. We could use a lot less negativity and a little more constructive thought how we might keep these games alive for posterity. I for one have also have emailed Justin and have asked him if he'd be willing to sell the rights to Blindsoftware.com. So hopefully he will get back with you or I on that issue and be willing to sell his source to someone else who will carry the torch for BSC Games. Another option is Audyssey.org could start a Paypal account where everyone would donate x amount of money until the $75 is reached and then we could handle all free key replacements for BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com as a free service for the community. In that sense the games and the generator would be community property rather than belonging to any developer or company. Since Audyssey.org is a non-prophet organization we would maintain product keys and technical support as a community service free of charge. So might be the perfect solution to this problem if efforts to buy Blindsoftware.com falls through. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Not to steal some of Josh's fire here :) but again, this touches on my point as well. While I personally would like to see these games stay supported for the community, I have to wonder, what in the world many people here expect of developers? Why is it right to treat Justin with such negativity? This is the sort of thing I'm getting at. Can we not offer positive support and suggestion here rather than constant and obnoxious criticism and derision? Why would anyone want to be involved with a community of insistent nay-sayers when all we need do is approach this another way? For myself, rather than argue and complain, I searched out Justin's email address, first by asking people and then, when that failed, I kept looking on my own and finally I found it. I contacted him and politely / positively brought up the consideration of selling the company or rights to the games so that they can continue to be supported. I don't even play Windows games. I did this for this community… This is what I'm suggesting when I mention getting involved. Rather than complain, take initiative for ourselves, and do something positive. Even if it's only a little thing but make a situation better not worse. Just do the best you can… -Make sense?… Thanks, Cara :) --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
True. The way it was worded was basically tat it sounded like you basically have to bu all our other existing stuff in order to keep our titles alive. That's what had me upset. Now thhat I think about it I guess it makes sense but it doesn't make me any happier since I won't be able to keep my current titles alive due to a lack of 75 bcks to forkover. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Scott Chesworth Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing Somewhat hilariously, I'd say he's made things difficult for himself with that spammy style of email. If it'd been as straight forward as folks, the company is shutting up shop because of this that and the other on this date in May, but you can grab our key generator for $75 and keep your existing titles alive after we're gone, I think there'd be 75% less griping going on here. Way to shoot yourself in the foot Mr D! Just a thought. It probably won't even make a dent. Scott On 4/19/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Here is the complete Email that I was sent. While it doesn't list everything that was produced, I think most are mentioned. It also is what Justin is going to be doing, what he is offering, and why: of high intention, sincere effort, intelligent direction, and skillful execution! - Original Message - From: Justin Daubenmire from BlindSoftware.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:37 Subject: BlindSoftware.com is closing forever! BlindSoftware.com - your place on the net for software for the blind and visually impaired. supp...@blindsoftware.com Thursday, April 18, 2013 It is Justin Daubenmire, founder of BlindSoftware.com. I hope this email finds you well. I'm sending you this email because you either signed up for my newsletter a while ago or you recently purchased a program from my website. I have some good news that I wanted to share with you so get ready! Over the next month, I am going to be closing BlindSoftware.com forever. That's right, forever. And you are thinking. and that is good news? Actually, yes it is. keep reading! When I opened up BlindSoftware.com back in 2001 , I was 28 years old and single. Today, I am 40 years old, married, and have 4 children all under the age of 11! So what exactly does that mean? Well, not only am I blind, but being a father of 4 lovely children (and a dog) has also caused me to go bald! The joke in my home is that dad is bald and beautiful! Lol. Simply put, now that I am a father and husband I just do not have enough time to devote to the company anymore so I am going to close it. However, before I close the doors on it, I wanted to contact you with a very special offer that I think you will appreciate. The software that I currently offer through BlindSoftware.com includes: Games a.. Classic Pipe - a $24.95 value b.. Classic Troopanum - a $24.95 value c.. Troopanum in Spanish - a $24.95 value d.. Hunter - a $34.95 value e.. Blast Chamber - a $34.95 value f.. Troopanum 2.0 - a $34.95 value g.. Word Strain Volume 1 - a $14.99 value h.. Word Strain Volume 2 - a $14.99 value Ok, as if that isn't enough. here are more programs (not games) that I offer on the site too: a.. Day By Day Professional Calendar/Appointment/reminder program - a $29.99 value b.. BSC Talking Clock and reminder program - a $19.99 value c.. Pulse MP3 player - a $14.99 value Wow. that is a ton of games and software if I might say so myself! Collectively, if you were to purchase every single program I just listed, it would cost you a hefty $285 (including tax). But, I am not in this to get wealthy. I make my living as a computer programmer working for a large corporation in the United States. So, before I close BlindSoftware.com forever, I want to help you have all these programs for your personal enjoyment and entertainment. So, I'm not going to ask $285 of you - In fact, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised to find that I'm not even going to go anywhere NEAR that. By taking action today, you can get all of this. everything mentioned above for the low, one time investment of only. $200.no - $150.no - $100. no - $90. no - $75. Yes, that's right. If you order today, you will be guaranteed the incredibly low one time price of just $75 for all of the games and programs offered on BlindSoftware.com. *** Free Bonuses (valued at over $85 *** When you make the smart decision to grab your own copy of all the BlindSoftware.com programs, you'll also receive these Thank You gifts, valued at over $85. Your bonuses include. Free Bonus # 1 Value $57 BSC Unlock Code Generator Program: Create Your Own Unlock Codes This powerful program will allow you to generate your own unlock codes for all of the games and programs that you purchase. Even though the BlindSoftware.com company is closing down forever, you can use this program to continue to create your own unlock
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
I wouldn't hold my breath. Most of the LOTR games out there aren't that good. There was one for the Super Nintendo that, while it featured an excellently Tolkien-ish soundtrack, was in ever other way a total mess. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Lisa Hayes Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:24 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format nOw charles what a grilliant idea and a version of the hobbit as well. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
And that would give new audio gamers wo discover our little niche only after the ct-off date the chance to try these amazing and classic games. And now tat I've had time to think abouut it that more than anything is what upsets me most about tis. Had I the 75 dollars I would ided fork it over, but it's highly unlikely that I ill even next month. So I'm going to miss te opportunity. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Hi Cara, Well, I guess in time it would certainly pay for itself. After all I am getting an unlimited number of unlock codes for every piece of software on the site and $75 for that is a deal when I stop to consider the total value of the package. Of course, I'd pay double that if I could have his source code which I could convert to newer programming languages and turn around and resell. :D Cheers! On 4/18/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Thomas, in this case though, If one spends the $75 you get the benefit of having even just a single game on as many systems as you choose for as long as the games are playable. -Not even mentioning the other titles… So even this would surely balance out the price tag. Yes? Thanks, Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
I think it was a case of poor wording in the Email. If he'd just said he was offering a code generator that ulocks all our products I'm sure most of us would have been less upset LOL. As I say I another Email I'd now happily fork over the 75 if I had it, but of course being on a fixed income with many other bills o pay tat's not appening. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:59 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey]BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… Hi Cara, It makes perfect sense, and I for one agree with you. We could use a lot less negativity and a little more constructive thought how we might keep these games alive for posterity. I for one have also have emailed Justin and have asked him if he'd be willing to sell the rights to Blindsoftware.com. So hopefully he will get back with you or I on that issue and be willing to sell his source to someone else who will carry the torch for BSC Games. Another option is Audyssey.org could start a Paypal account where everyone would donate x amount of money until the $75 is reached and then we could handle all free key replacements for BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com as a free service for the community. In that sense the games and the generator would be community property rather than belonging to any developer or company. Since Audyssey.org is a non-prophet organization we would maintain product keys and technical support as a community service free of charge. So might be the perfect solution to this problem if efforts to buy Blindsoftware.com falls through. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Not to steal some of Josh's fire here :) but again, this touches on my point as well. While I personally would like to see these games stay supported for the community, I have to wonder, what in the world many people here expect of developers? Why is it right to treat Justin with such negativity? This is the sort of thing I'm getting at. Can we not offer positive support and suggestion here rather than constant and obnoxious criticism and derision? Why would anyone want to be involved with a community of insistent nay-sayers when all we need do is approach this another way? For myself, rather than argue and complain, I searched out Justin's email address, first by asking people and then, when that failed, I kept looking on my own and finally I found it. I contacted him and politely / positively brought up the consideration of selling the company or rights to the games so that they can continue to be supported. I don't even play Windows games. I did this for this community… This is what I'm suggesting when I mention getting involved. Rather than complain, take initiative for ourselves, and do something positive. Even if it's only a little thing but make a situation better not worse. Just do the best you can… -Make sense?… Thanks, Cara :) --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
I would prefer it follow the books more than the movies. Oh I love the movies, don't get me wrong, but Peter Jackson did make some changes that explicitly went against Tolkien's writings. That scene with Faramir for one thing. And I didn't entirely care for the way he remade Aragorn. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Mich Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:01 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi all. on the topic of the narnia books and if they are christion yes they in deed are. I once red a book I think it was cald the man who created narnia and it was a byography but in that book the author took each narnia book and broke it down to show the christion ellaments for instence he would say something like azlind dieing on the stone table is the same as christ dieing on the cross. to me that just killd the books for me right there. I couldn't read them any more with out feeling like the christion message was beaing shuvd down my throte. so that is what I have to say about that. now as for a lord of the rings game I would love to see a lord of the rings game. maybe using clips from the movies. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format nOw charles what a grilliant idea and a version of the hobbit as well. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
wEll i won't hold myu breath, but it's worth dreaming and who knows someday one of our good developers might just do a lord of the rings or hobbit game. Hint HInt thomas. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I wouldn't hold my breath. Most of the LOTR games out there aren't that good. There was one for the Super Nintendo that, while it featured an excellently Tolkien-ish soundtrack, was in ever other way a total mess. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Lisa Hayes Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:24 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format nOw charles what a grilliant idea and a version of the hobbit as well. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Agreedd Brian i'd like any game to follow the books, the potter movies did for the most part, but the ending of movie three was strange. id love to see harry potter games, but how hard they'd be firstlyy to get copy right and secondly how complex to write. Just my lisaerish thoughts. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would prefer it follow the books more than the movies. Oh I love the movies, don't get me wrong, but Peter Jackson did make some changes that explicitly went against Tolkien's writings. That scene with Faramir for one thing. And I didn't entirely care for the way he remade Aragorn. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Mich Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:01 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi all. on the topic of the narnia books and if they are christion yes they in deed are. I once red a book I think it was cald the man who created narnia and it was a byography but in that book the author took each narnia book and broke it down to show the christion ellaments for instence he would say something like azlind dieing on the stone table is the same as christ dieing on the cross. to me that just killd the books for me right there. I couldn't read them any more with out feeling like the christion message was beaing shuvd down my throte. so that is what I have to say about that. now as for a lord of the rings game I would love to see a lord of the rings game. maybe using clips from the movies. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format nOw charles what a grilliant idea and a version of the hobbit as well. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] mush z problem updating
Hello Np anytime let me just start off by saying that I've tried other mud clients and hands down mush-z is my fav. Thank u 4 working so hard on it and making a great client. Bfn James a. k. a. Caspero --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Same with LOTR. You'd have to get a copyright license or whatever. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Lisa Hayes Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 5:56 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Agreedd Brian i'd like any game to follow the books, the potter movies did for the most part, but the ending of movie three was strange. id love to see harry potter games, but how hard they'd be firstlyy to get copy right and secondly how complex to write. Just my lisaerish thoughts. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would prefer it follow the books more than the movies. Oh I love the movies, don't get me wrong, but Peter Jackson did make some changes that explicitly went against Tolkien's writings. That scene with Faramir for one thing. And I didn't entirely care for the way he remade Aragorn. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Mich Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:01 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi all. on the topic of the narnia books and if they are christion yes they in deed are. I once red a book I think it was cald the man who created narnia and it was a byography but in that book the author took each narnia book and broke it down to show the christion ellaments for instence he would say something like azlind dieing on the stone table is the same as christ dieing on the cross. to me that just killd the books for me right there. I couldn't read them any more with out feeling like the christion message was beaing shuvd down my throte. so that is what I have to say about that. now as for a lord of the rings game I would love to see a lord of the rings game. maybe using clips from the movies. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format nOw charles what a grilliant idea and a version of the hobbit as well. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
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Hello Yes I myself would love 2 b apart of that. That sounds like a great plan. Bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi tom. the issue of language specifically hasn't come up on audiogames.net yet, since mostly all the games we've seen that have bad language in them (particularly very offensive bad language), have been adult rated anyway. if however someone devised a game such as the old robocop arcade game which, under one settings had a mode where enemies said shit shit ! when robocop gunned them down, but was otherwise a fairly standard action game I'd probably put a warning, indeed I do as much for the gorey deaths in swamp or shades. Hmmm, the only game I can think of currently that fits that standard for language would be 3D velocity, so maybe it's worth me writing such a warning into the description just so people know what they're getting, I know it has some swearwords, since I had to reccord some myself during the course of the voice acting for the game, though that's sort of par for the course for a megalomaniacle insane dictator who wants to rule the world :D. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi charlse. I'm not sure about a none rpg lotr game simply because of the subject matter. yes, there are now brawlers and other games based on the films, but those are heavily based around the battle sequences which peter jaxon heavily extended, indeed the battle of the hornburg in the two towers (or the battle of helms deep as most film fans know it), takes a grand total of ten pages in the entire book, does not feature the elves, and is over relatively quickly, particularly considdering that in the book only the fighting force of the rohirim was at the hornburg, not everyone else (theoden really comes across as an idiot in the films). Anyway, if we get on to film/book differences I could be hear all day, my point is that most of the games based on lotr that are not! rpgs are pretty battle exclusivee and thus really just fairly standard games as games go just with a lotr flavour. Myself, I'd like to see either A, a full on exploration rpg that let you walk the really large world of middle earth, or B, a strategic game set in the eldadays similar to castaways in which you could play either the first elves, dwarves, dunedain or easterlings and have to forge a home in the world under the depradations of Morgoth's creatures. Indeed that could be especially interesting since significant events, particularly the creation of the sun and moon, the return of the Noldor to middle earth and the war of wrath could have an affect on your settlement. the best lotr game I've played recently is the rpg adventure for the eamon system Thror's ring, written by Tom zuchowski, since the writting, the puzzles, the combat everything just really worked! to give you a good impression of Moria. i've also played a good few more by Sam Ruby (one of the most famous eamon rpg authors), and while those were lots of fun, some were simply combat fests and skimped a little on the description in some places which was a trifle disappointing. Still, if you want a good accessible rp game of lotr, I'd advise Eamon deluxe. Beware the Grue!¬ Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi Bryan. Even by rpg standards that is bad. Plus, annoyingly enough that is apparently one spc set that cannot be wripped from the cartridge, so while it has a wonderful soundtrack I've never heard it in full, (if you know where I might get it please tell me). Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi Lisa. we already have a harry potter game actually in the form of the very good sarah and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry, go to www.pcsgames.net and have a look. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
I think she means a true Harry Potter game. But thou must! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:37 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Lisa. we already have a harry potter game actually in the form of the very good sarah and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry, go to www.pcsgames.net and have a look. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I only wish I knew. I'd love to get a copy myself. I've only seen two midi files of music from that game. Both were versions of the Hobiton theme. And one was quite off the mark and in any case was incomplete. But thou must! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:36 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Bryan. Even by rpg standards that is bad. Plus, annoyingly enough that is apparently one spc set that cannot be wripped from the cartridge, so while it has a wonderful soundtrack I've never heard it in full, (if you know where I might get it please tell me). Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Mich and all, That would be interesting although I'm not too sure where the copyrights stand. I believe the books are themselves in the public domain, but since Warner Brothers has made the movies a few years back certainly the music, movie dialog, and some other stuff like that are copyrighted up the wazoo. The reason I point this out if I were to write a game like this I'd love to have the iconic music and movie clips from the films myself which probably wouldn't be possible do to copyrights. Still, a Lord of the Rings game would be cool. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: Hi all. on the topic of the narnia books and if they are christion yes they in deed are. I once red a book I think it was cald the man who created narnia and it was a byography but in that book the author took each narnia book and broke it down to show the christion ellaments for instence he would say something like azlind dieing on the stone table is the same as christ dieing on the cross. to me that just killd the books for me right there. I couldn't read them any more with out feeling like the christion message was beaing shuvd down my throte. so that is what I have to say about that. now as for a lord of the rings game I would love to see a lord of the rings game. maybe using clips from the movies. from Mich. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Dark, Agreed. A lot of the LOTR brawlers and action games out there simply go from battle to battle and are based on Peter Jackson's re envisioning of LOTR for the movies. That makes sense given that game developers are interested in producing an action game and a lot of the books were simply spent wandering from one place to another. So all the action games are about are fighting in one location or another. I think myself I'd prefer a roll playing game, either text or Sapi driven, where you could actually walk around Middle Earth and take on quests and adventures. That way you wouldn't have to be tied directly into the quest of taking the ring to Mount Doom or follow a set path. In a roll playing game it could be set in any time and anywhere. :D \Cheers! On 4/19/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi charlse. I'm not sure about a none rpg lotr game simply because of the subject matter. yes, there are now brawlers and other games based on the films, but those are heavily based around the battle sequences which peter jaxon heavily extended, indeed the battle of the hornburg in the two towers (or the battle of helms deep as most film fans know it), takes a grand total of ten pages in the entire book, does not feature the elves, and is over relatively quickly, particularly considdering that in the book only the fighting force of the rohirim was at the hornburg, not everyone else (theoden really comes across as an idiot in the films). Anyway, if we get on to film/book differences I could be hear all day, my point is that most of the games based on lotr that are not! rpgs are pretty battle exclusivee and thus really just fairly standard games as games go just with a lotr flavour. Myself, I'd like to see either A, a full on exploration rpg that let you walk the really large world of middle earth, or B, a strategic game set in the eldadays similar to castaways in which you could play either the first elves, dwarves, dunedain or easterlings and have to forge a home in the world under the depradations of Morgoth's creatures. Indeed that could be especially interesting since significant events, particularly the creation of the sun and moon, the return of the Noldor to middle earth and the war of wrath could have an affect on your settlement. the best lotr game I've played recently is the rpg adventure for the eamon system Thror's ring, written by Tom zuchowski, since the writting, the puzzles, the combat everything just really worked! to give you a good impression of Moria. i've also played a good few more by Sam Ruby (one of the most famous eamon rpg authors), and while those were lots of fun, some were simply combat fests and skimped a little on the description in some places which was a trifle disappointing. Still, if you want a good accessible rp game of lotr, I'd advise Eamon deluxe. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi Dark, Right. We haven't had a lot of games with swearing, but it was merely my point that informing parents that this or that game contains offensive language rather than rating a game for T for Teen makes a whole lot more sense to me. As it explains why this or that game was rated the way it was rated rather than telling parents here is what age we think your child has to be to play this game. Cheers! On 4/19/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. the issue of language specifically hasn't come up on audiogames.net yet, since mostly all the games we've seen that have bad language in them (particularly very offensive bad language), have been adult rated anyway. if however someone devised a game such as the old robocop arcade game which, under one settings had a mode where enemies said shit shit ! when robocop gunned them down, but was otherwise a fairly standard action game I'd probably put a warning, indeed I do as much for the gorey deaths in swamp or shades. Hmmm, the only game I can think of currently that fits that standard for language would be 3D velocity, so maybe it's worth me writing such a warning into the description just so people know what they're getting, I know it has some swearwords, since I had to reccord some myself during the course of the voice acting for the game, though that's sort of par for the course for a megalomaniacle insane dictator who wants to rule the world :D. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi Lisa, There is the rub as usual. Any extremely popular series like Harry Potter is copyrighted to the max, and there is no way a small time developer like myself can come close to affording the royalties for it. Then, in order to actually do the game justice we would need actors and actresses to do the voice overs for Harry, Ron, Hermione, Draco, and anyone else we chose to use in the game. That could get expensive unless we got a good cast of volunteers which may or may not work out. Copyrights will forever be a problem for accessible game developers since we simply don't have the kind of funding to license this stuff from the copyright holders legally. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net wrote: Agreedd Brian i'd like any game to follow the books, the potter movies did for the most part, but the ending of movie three was strange. id love to see harry potter games, but how hard they'd be firstlyy to get copy right and secondly how complex to write. Just my lisaerish thoughts. Lisa Hayes --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Lisa, Hint taken, but as I said before copyrights are a factor. The LOTR books themselves may be in the public domain, I'm not sure, but if not I could seriously get fried by some copyright holder if I wrote a game assuming it was OK and Warner Brothers or someone took me to court over it. :D Cheers! On 4/19/13, Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net wrote: wEll i won't hold myu breath, but it's worth dreaming and who knows someday one of our good developers might just do a lord of the rings or hobbit game. Hint HInt thomas. Lisa Hayes --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi tom. Just as a correction, the copywrite for lotr was actually renewed In I believe 2001, and is now owned by tolkien's grand daughter. This is also why Christopher tolkien comparatively recently released a new translation of Children of Hurin which he'd peaced together from tolkien's notes, so even the books are not quite copywrite. that being said, as with starwars I'm generally of the opinion that why not! it's not as if warner brothers make lots of accessible lotr games anyway so your hardly taking money from them, and as we said when discussing makingg starwars or startrek games, it'd likely be better to brave the beasty than just not have at all. After all, Phil managed in case of Sarah and the result is fantastic. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Tom. I agree completely. It's actually for this reason I'm looking forward to seeing some of Sam ruby's other lotr eamon games converted to Eamon deluxe. i've played some of them, such as one in which you must enter mirkwood and rescue aragorn from the fortress of Dol guldur, but while his early works were basically action rpgs, his later games became a lot more free form. For instance, he created one game called Haradwaith, in which you must enter the lands of the haradrim and obtain their army's land and sea battle plans. this not only meant going to parts of middle earth which Tolkien didn't visit in lotr, but also some other tasks, such as equipping an expedition to cross a desert, and even engaging in a sea battle ship to ship. Middle earth is such a big and diverse world when you considder all the different locations, as well as the close to 18 thousand years of detailed history, that there are so many places and locations to set games, even if you wished to stay firmlywithin established cannon. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Tom and all. as a huge lotr fan my self I would very much welcome a audio game of lotr. I can even pervide the bbc radio play if needed for sounds etc. I also really loved the lotr movies but not the hobbit movie so much. I to say go for it. as for what Dark said it is true. Tolkien's son isn't giving peater Jackson any rights to film any more of Tolkien's works so no silmorillion or anything like that. I personally couldn't get through that book anyways even though I did give it a really good try but found it very boring and dull. from Mich. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games Hi tom. Just as a correction, the copywrite for lotr was actually renewed In I believe 2001, and is now owned by tolkien's grand daughter. This is also why Christopher tolkien comparatively recently released a new translation of Children of Hurin which he'd peaced together from tolkien's notes, so even the books are not quite copywrite. that being said, as with starwars I'm generally of the opinion that why not! it's not as if warner brothers make lots of accessible lotr games anyway so your hardly taking money from them, and as we said when discussing makingg starwars or startrek games, it'd likely be better to brave the beasty than just not have at all. After all, Phil managed in case of Sarah and the result is fantastic. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi Tom. I agree, particularly given as we've said the often very arbitrary catagorizations that are usedd to determine what is wrated as teen etc. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Will also just say there are various interactive fiction format versions of the original, stand-alone IF game, the hobbit out there, including one joke version, where Gandalf smokes certain things, etc. etc. - that one's called something like The hobbit, the true story - but, some of them are in fact real copies/versions of the original game I played quite a lot in old days on an old XT PC, in something like late 80's of last century. Stay well Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:43 PM Subject: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games Hi Mich and all, That would be interesting although I'm not too sure where the copyrights stand. I believe the books are themselves in the public domain, but since Warner Brothers has made the movies a few years back certainly the music, movie dialog, and some other stuff like that are copyrighted up the wazoo. The reason I point this out if I were to write a game like this I'd love to have the iconic music and movie clips from the films myself which probably wouldn't be possible do to copyrights. Still, a Lord of the Rings game would be cool. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: Hi all. on the topic of the narnia books and if they are christion yes they in deed are. I once red a book I think it was cald the man who created narnia and it was a byography but in that book the author took each narnia book and broke it down to show the christion ellaments for instence he would say something like azlind dieing on the stone table is the same as christ dieing on the cross. to me that just killd the books for me right there. I couldn't read them any more with out feeling like the christion message was beaing shuvd down my throte. so that is what I have to say about that. now as for a lord of the rings game I would love to see a lord of the rings game. maybe using clips from the movies. from Mich. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Thomas, The LOTR books are still copyrighted. The Dungeons and Dragons books got around copyright by calling their half sized humanoids Halflings instead of hobbits. Other creatures like Elves and Gnomes are generic names that have been used for centuries and thus can't be copyrighted. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
I found an audio version of that joke Hobbit game. Pretty funy. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Jacob Kruger Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:47 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games Will also just say there are various interactive fiction format versions of the original, stand-alone IF game, the hobbit out there, including one joke version, where Gandalf smokes certain things, etc. etc. - that one's called something like The hobbit, the true story - but, some of them are in fact real copies/versions of the original game I played quite a lot in old days on an old XT PC, in something like late 80's of last century. Stay well Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:43 PM Subject: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games Hi Mich and all, That would be interesting although I'm not too sure where the copyrights stand. I believe the books are themselves in the public domain, but since Warner Brothers has made the movies a few years back certainly the music, movie dialog, and some other stuff like that are copyrighted up the wazoo. The reason I point this out if I were to write a game like this I'd love to have the iconic music and movie clips from the films myself which probably wouldn't be possible do to copyrights. Still, a Lord of the Rings game would be cool. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: Hi all. on the topic of the narnia books and if they are christion yes they in deed are. I once red a book I think it was cald the man who created narnia and it was a byography but in that book the author took each narnia book and broke it down to show the christion ellaments for instence he would say something like azlind dieing on the stone table is the same as christ dieing on the cross. to me that just killd the books for me right there. I couldn't read them any more with out feeling like the christion message was beaing shuvd down my throte. so that is what I have to say about that. now as for a lord of the rings game I would love to see a lord of the rings game. maybe using clips from the movies. from Mich. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Now that would be cool - to hear actual character voices for those versions of some of the guys...LOL! Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games I found an audio version of that joke Hobbit game. Pretty funy. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Jacob Kruger Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:47 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games Will also just say there are various interactive fiction format versions of the original, stand-alone IF game, the hobbit out there, including one joke version, where Gandalf smokes certain things, etc. etc. - that one's called something like The hobbit, the true story - but, some of them are in fact real copies/versions of the original game I played quite a lot in old days on an old XT PC, in something like late 80's of last century. Stay well Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:43 PM Subject: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games Hi Mich and all, That would be interesting although I'm not too sure where the copyrights stand. I believe the books are themselves in the public domain, but since Warner Brothers has made the movies a few years back certainly the music, movie dialog, and some other stuff like that are copyrighted up the wazoo. The reason I point this out if I were to write a game like this I'd love to have the iconic music and movie clips from the films myself which probably wouldn't be possible do to copyrights. Still, a Lord of the Rings game would be cool. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: Hi all. on the topic of the narnia books and if they are christion yes they in deed are. I once red a book I think it was cald the man who created narnia and it was a byography but in that book the author took each narnia book and broke it down to show the christion ellaments for instence he would say something like azlind dieing on the stone table is the same as christ dieing on the cross. to me that just killd the books for me right there. I couldn't read them any more with out feeling like the christion message was beaing shuvd down my throte. so that is what I have to say about that. now as for a lord of the rings game I would love to see a lord of the rings game. maybe using clips from the movies. from Mich. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
Hi Bryan, I agree. In hindsight I think Justin should have said he was selling a key generator that unlocks all of your products for $75 and that probably would have been the end of it.. As it is I think he wanted to sweeten the deal by making it sound like we are buying all this great stuff when in reality all we are buying is the key generator and downloading any and all programs we want from Blindsoftware.com. :D Cheers! On 4/19/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: I think it was a case of poor wording in the Email. If he'd just said he was offering a code generator that ulocks all our products I'm sure most of us would have been less upset LOL. As I say I another Email I'd now happily fork over the 75 if I had it, but of course being on a fixed income with many other bills to pay that's not happening. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Will, In theory yes. Unfortunately, I just got done talking to Justin about that very issue and unfortunately he says he no longer has the source code to any of the programs on the Blindsoftware.com site. That means although it would be nice to port these games to Mac OS, the Apple iPhone, and other such devices a developer such as myself would literally have nothing to start with or use as a basis of comparison. The games would have to be rewritten from the ground up anyway to run on Mac OS or iOS, but there is critical information in the source code like the timers, hit point information, scoring for the various enemy ships, and so on that would now have to be reinvented from scratch as well. So I think it would probably be a better idea in the long run just to write a new Space Invaders clone for those platforms than to try and recreate Classic Troopenum or Troopenum 2.0. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Will will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote: also if someone can purchase the rights to the titles can they be ported to mac and iOS for example? Draconis claim they are having IOS tiles, why not pipe 2 and troopanum for mac and IOS therefore for example, expanding the community options for these titles and revive them with new content perhaps? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
Hi Charles, Well, we can still raise the money to buy the key generator and games and host them on Audyssey, but from the sounds of it getting the source code and continuing development of these games is a done deal. I got a message from Justin a couple hours ago where he explained he no longer had the source code for any of the games and programs on Blindsoftware.com. As a result if we want to upgrade these programs we literally have to start over from scratch. Not cool. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I like that second option. Not sure if a joint purchase among developers would succeed, but I know that hasn't been done very often. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
Yeah. Like I said I wouldn't mind paying for it but like a lot of folks I just don't have the cash and more than likely won't before te cut-off date. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:20 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey]BSC Games shutting down, and reactions… Hi Bryan, I agree. In hindsight I think Justin should have said he was selling a key generator that unlocks all of your products for $75 and that probably would have been the end of it.. As it is I think he wanted to sweeten the deal by making it sound like we are buying all this great stuff when in reality all we are buying is the key generator and downloading any and all programs we want from Blindsoftware.com. :D Cheers! On 4/19/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: I think it was a case of poor wording in the Email. If he'd just said he was offering a code generator that ulocks all our products I'm sure most of us would have been less upset LOL. As I say I another Email I'd now happily fork over the 75 if I had it, but of course being on a fixed income with many other bills to pay that's not happening. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
Hi Cara, Yeah, I think community driven would be better. If we could get someone to donate the key generator to Audyssey.org I'd be happy to host the setup files for the games, and generate keys for the public as a free service. As you said yourself we the community have to help each other in order to make this community not only to survive but to thrive in the face of adversity. In this case the entire community can chip in to help these games. If I can figure out how to crack the blasted security on the sounds and music for the various games we could actually write free open source versions of the games and port them to Mac, iOS, and Linux as well as produce new versions for Windows 7/Windows 8. By releasing them as open source everyone can help with the coding if they want and if not can use them as educational materials. The only question would be what language to write them in. I think for all practical purposes writing them in C# .NET and then using the Mono Framework would be the best way to develop them as thanks to Mono C# .NET code is very cross-platform portable these days. There is even a version of Mono for iOS I believe. Although, it isn't free as the versions for Windows, Mac, and Linux are. Alternatively writing them in C++ wouldn't be as portable as C# .NET, but might actually run better and wouldn't require that .NET or Mono be installed on the host machine. All that would be needed is porting them to Object C for iOS which isn't too complicated I've heard. Any thoughts? Cheers! On 4/19/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Thomas, yes! these are the sorts of ideas we need more of! :) This is what I'm talkin' about! :) I think Shaun actually also brought this up as a possibility and it crossed my mind too but you two beat me to it! :) So thank you for suggesting this. I think something like this would be a terrific idea. Sure it would be great to have one of us own the company but community driven would even be better… If we all chipped in a little bit we might be able to not only raise the $75 but perhaps even make it worth Justin's consideration of making the code available. -Just a thought… I wonder if the community would be interested in this?… Thanks, Cara :) --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Dark, Exactly. A Sapi driven or text based RPG could cover so much more than a side-scroller or FPS which tend to be linier in nature. The typical action game simply goes from level to level without a lot of option to explore the world as it were and travel from town to town, level up skills, and select adventures. Plus if we had say a side-scroller you wouldn't get the same detailed descriptions of what the towns, forests, or enemies looked like. I think in a fantasy setting like Middle Earth an audio game cheapens the experience somewhat. Cheers! On 4/19/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I agree completely. It's actually for this reason I'm looking forward to seeing some of Sam ruby's other lotr eamon games converted to Eamon deluxe. i've played some of them, such as one in which you must enter mirkwood and rescue aragorn from the fortress of Dol guldur, but while his early works were basically action rpgs, his later games became a lot more free form. For instance, he created one game called Haradwaith, in which you must enter the lands of the haradrim and obtain their army's land and sea battle plans. this not only meant going to parts of middle earth which Tolkien didn't visit in lotr, but also some other tasks, such as equipping an expedition to cross a desert, and even engaging in a sea battle ship to ship. Middle earth is such a big and diverse world when you considder all the different locations, as well as the close to 18 thousand years of detailed history, that there are so many places and locations to set games, even if you wished to stay firmlywithin established cannon. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Phil, Right. Yeah, I forgot about that. Of course, I think an audio game developer could do essentially the same thing as the Dungeons and Dragons books by borrowing generic fantasy elements of Lord of the Rings such as goblins, trolls, gnomes, etc and instead of call the Hobbits Hobbits use half lings etc. Its just that a developer couldn't use any of the copyrighted components directly unless they were willing to run the risk of copyright infringement. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net wrote: Hi Thomas, The LOTR books are still copyrighted. The Dungeons and Dragons books got around copyright by calling their half sized humanoids Halflings instead of hobbits. Other creatures like Elves and Gnomes are generic names that have been used for centuries and thus can't be copyrighted. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
The problem I have with an RPG is the extensive set of rules. Those I have encountered seem to have been so lengthy! I don't enjoy a game that uses a large book of exceptions to a lengthy set of rules. This is why I would prefer a side scroller. There would be room for exploration if the game were designed, although I would think that it would quite an undertaking. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games Hi Dark, Exactly. A Sapi driven or text based RPG could cover so much more than a side-scroller or FPS which tend to be linier in nature. The typical action game simply goes from level to level without a lot of option to explore the world as it were and travel from town to town, level up skills, and select adventures. Plus if we had say a side-scroller you wouldn't get the same detailed descriptions of what the towns, forests, or enemies looked like. I think in a fantasy setting like Middle Earth an audio game cheapens the experience somewhat. Cheers! On 4/19/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I agree completely. It's actually for this reason I'm looking forward to seeing some of Sam ruby's other lotr eamon games converted to Eamon deluxe. i've played some of them, such as one in which you must enter mirkwood and rescue aragorn from the fortress of Dol guldur, but while his early works were basically action rpgs, his later games became a lot more free form. For instance, he created one game called Haradwaith, in which you must enter the lands of the haradrim and obtain their army's land and sea battle plans. this not only meant going to parts of middle earth which Tolkien didn't visit in lotr, but also some other tasks, such as equipping an expedition to cross a desert, and even engaging in a sea battle ship to ship. Middle earth is such a big and diverse world when you considder all the different locations, as well as the close to 18 thousand years of detailed history, that there are so many places and locations to set games, even if you wished to stay firmlywithin established cannon. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi Dark and Brian. A good place for soundtracks of all flavours is Galbadia Hotel, http://gh.ffshrine.org though I don't know whether they'll have the game soundtrack you specifically want, their collection is very extensive. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: Bryan Peterson Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:43 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I only wish I knew. I'd love to get a copy myself. I've only seen two midi files of music from that game. Both were versions of the Hobiton theme. And one was quite off the mark and in any case was incomplete. But thou must! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:36 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Bryan. Even by rpg standards that is bad. Plus, annoyingly enough that is apparently one spc set that cannot be wripped from the cartridge, so while it has a wonderful soundtrack I've never heard it in full, (if you know where I might get it please tell me). Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
They don't. I checked. That particular soundtrack is apparently unrippable. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Ibrahim Gucukoglu Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:12 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark and Brian. A good place for soundtracks of all flavours is Galbadia Hotel, http://gh.ffshrine.org though I don't know whether they'll have the game soundtrack you specifically want, their collection is very extensive. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: Bryan Peterson Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:43 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I only wish I knew. I'd love to get a copy myself. I've only seen two midi files of music from that game. Both were versions of the Hobiton theme. And one was quite off the mark and in any case was incomplete. But thou must! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:36 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Bryan. Even by rpg standards that is bad. Plus, annoyingly enough that is apparently one spc set that cannot be wripped from the cartridge, so while it has a wonderful soundtrack I've never heard it in full, (if you know where I might get it please tell me). Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi tom. another problem with generic conceptsparticularly in fantasy settings, is that they miss out on all the history, linguistic beauty and world that middle earth contains, and can often basically appear just as the standard DD world with nothing really creatively new about it. While I completely enjoy standard fantasy games (though I wouldn't say the same about generic fantasy books), if I am going! to play a fantasy game, I'd prefer it to be in a world and setting that is unique and interesting to that game in particular rather than just pinching stuff and renaming. For example, lets take the setting of moria. Moria is an interesting setting for a game because it used to be a beautiful dwarf city, but has been abandoned for years due to the dwarves their unearthing the balrog, making it more than just the standard DD underground dungeon. Another interesting fact about Moria, is that of Balins' expedition to retake the caves just before lotr (and tolkien implies that other efforts existed in the past), thus a very legitimate way to create magical weapons, and maybe even friendly ally characters you meet along the way. I could imagine a generic game set in an underground city,and depending upon the good quality of the descriptions such a game might even be fun, but it would have neither the history, nor the logical reason for meeting allies etc that moria does, - something I have to say Tom Zuchowski's eamon adventure Thror's ring does extremely well, particularly since it is such a generic and over used setting in other works of fantasy. for an original game I'd much rather it had an original setting. for instance, suppose instead of the ruined city having been abandoned, we state the inhabitants (who were not dwarves but powerful wizards), became more and more paranoid about outside attack and eventually voluntarily sunk their city under the ground by magical means. This lead to a civil war, meaning that by the time the game happens, only a few of the oldest and most powerfull wizards have survived. All the creatures in the game are either wildlife of the underground, or direct creations of the wizards, and the game might even involve allying with one wizard against another, perhaps with the final twist at the end being that all! the wizards are pretty much as bad as each other and by knocking off several of them and leaving one alone in control of the city and all the magic there in the heroes have created further problems. thus, we have a similar! setting to moria, but with quite a different history and evolving story throughout the game. No, this would not be a middle earth story, but equally it wouldn't be just a general copy either. while I'd love to play a legitimate lotr game, if this wasn't possible I'd much rather play an interesting original work that someone had seriously thought about the history and setting, than just a cheap copy. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi charlse. This is a design issue with rpgs, however if they are properly! designed then you shouldn't have to read through the rules accept as reference occasionally, or maybe have a short introduction. Again, this is something great about eamon, since the system is so simple to understand you can just pick it up and play it. As to a side scroller with exploration, even speaking from the perspective of someone who plays huge! low vision accessible full side scrollers like turrican and metroid, I'm not really convinced you could get anything that would contain enough teretory or diversity to really fit even a tenth of middle earth, since a side scroller is limited in it's setting, you can just throw anything in in terms of trees, standing stones, landscape etc, much less have enough diverse locations or locations that were far enough apart. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi Ibrahim. I've known about galbadia for a while and have got various soundtracks from them, though last I checked they didn't have the snes lotr game, but I do know stuff gets uploaded frequently so it might be worth checking again. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
Thomas, You may want to ask Justin how he feels about the key generator and files being community released like you're proposing. His distribution rights allow him to limit that, and it will definitely cut into his revenue to promise that the community will buy one copy and share it all over the place for free. He might be more comfortable with some kind of embargoed system, where yes, the community makes it available for free, but not until one or two years have passed since the company closing. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Cara, Yeah, I think community driven would be better. If we could get someone to donate the key generator to Audyssey.org I'd be happy to host the setup files for the games, and generate keys for the public as a free service. As you said yourself we the community have to help each other in order to make this community not only to survive but to thrive in the face of adversity. In this case the entire community can chip in to help these games. If I can figure out how to crack the blasted security on the sounds and music for the various games we could actually write free open source versions of the games and port them to Mac, iOS, and Linux as well as produce new versions for Windows 7/Windows 8. By releasing them as open source everyone can help with the coding if they want and if not can use them as educational materials. The only question would be what language to write them in. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Quality verses quantity of games.
Hi Shaun, Well, that idea might work for some games, but not others. What I mean by that depending on how the game is designed it might not be able to be broken up into modules or separate components like that. For example, take the game Shades of Doom. You couldn't break that game up into separate modules because its a linier design from Area 1 to Area 9. You can't just write the first four or five levels, sell that as a starter game, and then sell levels 6 through 9 as an add-on pack. Since the game would be incomplete without the extra levels. That would be ethically questionable. However, the way ESP Pinball Extreme is designed its perfect for what you suggest. You buy the basic game with a starter set of tables and then can buy any number of expansion sets of tables that you want. Its the type of game you can do that sort of thing with and no one will have reason to complain since the starter game is a complete game in itself. The expansion pack is just that. An addition to the game you don't have to have. Still, the concept of designing more games with the ability to have expansion packs is a good one. It would help audio game developers raise money for their companies, and not be quite as time consuming as writing new games from scratch. A small $5 or $10 expansion pack for a game now and then would be a relatively inexpensive way to keep new game content coming while not taking that long to complete. For instance, I recall all of the original Tomb Raider games for the PC has expansion packs that essentially adds little mini games to the full game. You would have the original 15 levels, and then a mini game that you could buy and play for a fraction of the cost of the full game. Something like that model could be done in audio games, and a game like Judgment Day is a prime example of that in action. When you buy Judgment Day you of course get the game itself, but you get a few mini games as well as some extra scenes. I don't see why something like that game couldn't be expanded with a few more mini games and extra content here and there if a developer wanted to take that route. The mini games wouldn't have to be very expensive say $5.00 each or perhaps three for $15.00. Either way it would expand an existing game and not be expensive to obtain the new content. Cheers! On 4/18/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well I'd be happy to pay a lot for a large game, one idea I had, instead of paying say 100 bucks for a game have the game selling for 20-30 bucks maybe even 15 bucks. Don't develop the full game, just do it in bits, you buy 1 bit, and slowly buy more and more launching bits as you go. Or you could keep the price low and make the player have to find more bits to play somehow. I remember games in the old dos days, you brought a simple game with the game in it. you could then buy the full game or play the simple game and hunt for it every time you finnished a section you had to hunt for the next one, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions…
Hi Dennis, I certainly intend to do that. At this point using the key generator as community property was merely an idea and isn't set in stone. Obviously, Audyssey.org is here to do things legally, by the book so to speak, so we are in communication with Justin to try and see what can and can't be done with these games. Getting his written permission to use the ke generators after Blindsoftware.com closes is vital to doing all this legally. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com wrote: Thomas, You may want to ask Justin how he feels about the key generator and files being community released like you're proposing. His distribution rights allow him to limit that, and it will definitely cut into his revenue to promise that the community will buy one copy and share it all over the place for free. He might be more comfortable with some kind of embargoed system, where yes, the community makes it available for free, but not until one or two years have passed since the company closing. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Cara, Yeah, I think community driven would be better. If we could get someone to donate the key generator to Audyssey.org I'd be happy to host the setup files for the games, and generate keys for the public as a free service. As you said yourself we the community have to help each other in order to make this community not only to survive but to thrive in the face of adversity. In this case the entire community can chip in to help these games. If I can figure out how to crack the blasted security on the sounds and music for the various games we could actually write free open source versions of the games and port them to Mac, iOS, and Linux as well as produce new versions for Windows 7/Windows 8. By releasing them as open source everyone can help with the coding if they want and if not can use them as educational materials. The only question would be what language to write them in. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Charles, I don't think Dark or I was suggesting anything quite as complex as you are talking about below. You are thinking of something like Dungeons and Dragons, which is indeed pretty extensive, but a roll playing game does not have to be nearly as complex and heavily based on rules as that. In fact, the Aemon adventures, for example, only has some very basic stats like health, melee rating, etc which is all you need for a basic roll playing game. Plus what is nice about Aemon is that unlike traditional interactive fiction the parser commands are very simple and basic too. You type commands like get candle, use candle, and drop candle which is about as basic as you can get. So don't let the idea of a roll playing game make you think it has to be some complex game that needs volumes and volumes of rules or a game with a million different commands. It does not have to be that complex at all. What I was thinking was something more like a text adventure with basic commands, perhaps a menu if people would like that better, where you have a handful of stats like health, a melee/attack rating, strength, whatever and would go on adventures and so on. It wouldn't be nearly as complex as Dungeons and Dragons because it would be a straight up adventure game more or less. However, unlike a straight up text adventure you could pick a character to play which would have all their stats already determined by the developer so there would be no need to roll the dice and pick this skill or that skill before hand. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The problem I have with an RPG is the extensive set of rules. Those I have encountered seem to have been so lengthy! I don't enjoy a game that uses a large book of exceptions to a lengthy set of rules. This is why I would prefer a side scroller. There would be room for exploration if the game were designed, although I would think that it would quite an undertaking. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Dark, Agreed. I sincerely doubt any side-scroller could cover the whole of Middle Earth unless a developer wanted to dedicate the rest of his life to writing the game. For one thing you are limited to a 2d format where the only directions are left, right, up, and down. There isn't any north, south, east, and west so right there you couldn't lay out the location of towns, rivers, woods, and other aspects of the world in anything remotely realistic. About the best you could do is have a linier progression where you start in Hobbiton, walk right until you reach Buckleberrry Fairy, continue right until you reach Riven Dale, and so on. Its OK, but not very flexible since you only can continue east with no opportunity to go north or south along your journey. The other issue Charles probably hasn't considered is that of sounds. If I am writing a roll playing game or text adventure I can certainly get sounds for swords, axes, spears, as well as for rivers, farms, woods, etc, but can use Sapi to describe everything that isn't audible as well as give details of the world around you. With a side-scroller or FPS style game I have to come up with a sound for every single person, place, and thing in the game world. That would not only be expensive but I think would be unnecessary to boot since there are easier ways around this problem. Plus as you said I think Charles has the wrong idea about what constitutes a roll playing game in the first place. He is talking about design issues that are more specific to straight up table top roll playing like Dungeons and Dragons where it doesn't have to be nearly that complex. The Eamon system, as you mentioned, is a lot more realistic for something like this than anything else. Cheers! On 4/19/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi charlse. This is a design issue with rpgs, however if they are properly! designed then you shouldn't have to read through the rules accept as reference occasionally, or maybe have a short introduction. Again, this is something great about eamon, since the system is so simple to understand you can just pick it up and play it. As to a side scroller with exploration, even speaking from the perspective of someone who plays huge! low vision accessible full side scrollers like turrican and metroid, I'm not really convinced you could get anything that would contain enough teretory or diversity to really fit even a tenth of middle earth, since a side scroller is limited in it's setting, you can just throw anything in in terms of trees, standing stones, landscape etc, much less have enough diverse locations or locations that were far enough apart. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
Silly man throwing away his source code At 02:38 AM 4/20/2013, you wrote: Hi Charles, Well, we can still raise the money to buy the key generator and games and host them on Audyssey, but from the sounds of it getting the source code and continuing development of these games is a done deal. I got a message from Justin a couple hours ago where he explained he no longer had the source code for any of the games and programs on Blindsoftware.com. As a result if we want to upgrade these programs we literally have to start over from scratch. Not cool. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I like that second option. Not sure if a joint purchase among developers would succeed, but I know that hasn't been done very often. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Dark, I take your point, and agree with it in principle. I would feel the same way if someone took something like Star Trek and renamed all the ships, technology, and alien races in order to avoid copyrights and by doing so lose all the history, main characters, and pretty much everything else that makes Star Trek Star Trek. In the same way just using generic fantasy races, settings, etc from Lord of the Rings would take away everything that makes Lord of the Rings what it is. So clearly its a case of all or nothing, and I understand that perfectly well. Besides I'd prefer that anyway from a developer's point of view. Its a lot easier to write a game when someone else has done all the hard work creating the characters, history, language, and the world they inhabit rather than to try and come up with all that from scratch. /Its hard enough writing the game itself let alone spend months perhaps years coming up with a story as interesting and as feature filled as LOTR. For example, it wouldn't have occurred to me to come up with a storyline like the one you did with the wizards who sank their city below the ground. Although, I can be a creative person at times I don't think I could have came up with anything that original. It would be easier IMO just to use the Mines of Moria as they are and use the existing history and facts we know about them as a starting place for an adventure for me at least. In any case I agree. I'd rather have a completely new fantasy world, or LOTR itself rather than some cheap copy. A cheap copy just wouldn't be the same thing and would never live up to its potential. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi tom. I deffinately agree on the text adventure and parza idea, however one problem with character picking is balancing the game. Lets say you made a lotr game. Well doing hobbiton to rivendell would be relatively easy, provided aragorn was an npc since your four principle characters are the four hobbits, so are pretty evenly matched. Admittedly to make life interesting you might make some changes, frodo for instance would naturally have higher int and maybe some boarderline magic abilities from his translations of elvish, Sam would be less intelligent but stronger and a far better warrior, while pipin would make sense as a good ranged attacker (remember the tooks were traditionally the hobbit hunters), and Merry would probably do better in constitution, journeying and mounted combat (the brandybooks being more well travelled than most hobbits). however, once you got to rivendell things would become much harder. Someone like arragorn for instance, who is 83 years old, has masses of battle experience, was tutored by Elrond and also has some hereditory abilities such as long life from his heritage is just not on the same league as the hobbits. Gandalf, who is for all intents and purposes a miner deity and could if he wished be as powerful as Sauron in his own right is different again. heck, I remember a very crazy lotr brawler in which you could play as either aragorn, gimly or galadriel! which is just plane loopy! If you were to make a straight up lotr game, i'd recommend just limiting players to the four hobbits only and having the rest of the fellowship as powerfull npc allies, since the fellowship of the ring while great characters do not really sute an rpg. A better idea personally might be to invent some characters which suted your game and setting better but in the middle earth style. for example, in his adventure thror's ring, and his later sequal (yet to be converted to Eamon deluxe), Dolni keep, Tom Zuchowski introduced two allies who go on the quest with you. These are an elf called galahir, and a dwarf called Gorim, supposedly one of Thrain's brothers. galahir is naturally a very fast attacker and a bow expert, while gorim is tough and strong and uses an axe, and can also read dwarf runes (which as you'd imagine being in moria is pretty useful). I'd personally advise doing this sort of thing, creating several middle earth characters and suting them to your game. Even if you wanted to retell the quest for Mordor and the ring, have more appropriate characters involved, indeed in his Eamon versions of lotr, Sam ruby assumes that you ie, your eamon character is the ring barer, and other people such as golum, frodo and sam etc yyou meet along the way. while I can see an advantage to various characters, or indeed to a class system ssince it gives choice and replay, I'm just not sure the lotr cast are really suted to this if you know your middle earth history. After all, many of the sterriotypes we have about characters come from dD which was long after Tolkien's time, I think tolkien himself would be quite surprised if you faced him with the glass cannon, strengthless wizard, or the thick as a brick meat shield warrior that are such standards of DD type systems. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
I'm thinking that this would be a game I would have to try. Not that I like only easily learned games, but having never encountered an RPG other than Dungeon and Dragons and one other that was sort of similar, I've figured that they are mostly along the same idea, and I have been mistaken. A simple RPG dealing with a subject matter I'm interested in, such as the Harry Potter or LOTR series, would be a good way to possibly start working with other role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games Hi Charles, I don't think Dark or I was suggesting anything quite as complex as you are talking about below. You are thinking of something like Dungeons and Dragons, which is indeed pretty extensive, but a roll playing game does not have to be nearly as complex and heavily based on rules as that. In fact, the Aemon adventures, for example, only has some very basic stats like health, melee rating, etc which is all you need for a basic roll playing game. Plus what is nice about Aemon is that unlike traditional interactive fiction the parser commands are very simple and basic too. You type commands like get candle, use candle, and drop candle which is about as basic as you can get. So don't let the idea of a roll playing game make you think it has to be some complex game that needs volumes and volumes of rules or a game with a million different commands. It does not have to be that complex at all. What I was thinking was something more like a text adventure with basic commands, perhaps a menu if people would like that better, where you have a handful of stats like health, a melee/attack rating, strength, whatever and would go on adventures and so on. It wouldn't be nearly as complex as Dungeons and Dragons because it would be a straight up adventure game more or less. However, unlike a straight up text adventure you could pick a character to play which would have all their stats already determined by the developer so there would be no need to roll the dice and pick this skill or that skill before hand. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The problem I have with an RPG is the extensive set of rules. Those I have encountered seem to have been so lengthy! I don't enjoy a game that uses a large book of exceptions to a lengthy set of rules. This is why I would prefer a side scroller. There would be room for exploration if the game were designed, although I would think that it would quite an undertaking. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Sound creation sure would be time consuming, and the north/south restrictions would be even worse, and unrealistic. And you're most likely right about the RPGs not being as I thought. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games Hi Dark, Agreed. I sincerely doubt any side-scroller could cover the whole of Middle Earth unless a developer wanted to dedicate the rest of his life to writing the game. For one thing you are limited to a 2d format where the only directions are left, right, up, and down. There isn't any north, south, east, and west so right there you couldn't lay out the location of towns, rivers, woods, and other aspects of the world in anything remotely realistic. About the best you could do is have a linier progression where you start in Hobbiton, walk right until you reach Buckleberrry Fairy, continue right until you reach Riven Dale, and so on. Its OK, but not very flexible since you only can continue east with no opportunity to go north or south along your journey. The other issue Charles probably hasn't considered is that of sounds. If I am writing a roll playing game or text adventure I can certainly get sounds for swords, axes, spears, as well as for rivers, farms, woods, etc, but can use Sapi to describe everything that isn't audible as well as give details of the world around you. With a side-scroller or FPS style game I have to come up with a sound for every single person, place, and thing in the game world. That would not only be expensive but I think would be unnecessary to boot since there are easier ways around this problem. Plus as you said I think Charles has the wrong idea about what constitutes a roll playing game in the first place. He is talking about design issues that are more specific to straight up table top roll playing like Dungeons and Dragons where it doesn't have to be nearly that complex. The Eamon system, as you mentioned, is a lot more realistic for something like this than anything else. Cheers! On 4/19/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi charlse. This is a design issue with rpgs, however if they are properly! designed then you shouldn't have to read through the rules accept as reference occasionally, or maybe have a short introduction. Again, this is something great about eamon, since the system is so simple to understand you can just pick it up and play it. As to a side scroller with exploration, even speaking from the perspective of someone who plays huge! low vision accessible full side scrollers like turrican and metroid, I'm not really convinced you could get anything that would contain enough teretory or diversity to really fit even a tenth of middle earth, since a side scroller is limited in it's setting, you can just throw anything in in terms of trees, standing stones, landscape etc, much less have enough diverse locations or locations that were far enough apart. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Dark, True enough. However, it is still none-the-less a personal risk. Weather anything comes of it or not is anyone's guess. That said, there is still quite a bit of wiggle room when it comes to copyrights. There are some gray areas such as fan fiction that is seriously challenging the big money hungry companies when it comes to absolute control over copyrights and trademarks, and it is to this niche we as audio game developers can attempt to squeeze into. What it comes down to is the intention of the laws, and how they have slowly changed over the years. When the U.S. Copyright Act was originally written the basic intention was to keep someone from profiting from a work or idea created by someone else. If I wrote a book, for example, you couldn't just copy it word for word and sell it to another party because it was copyrighted. Then, that basic idea was extended to include specific things in the book such as people, places, and things that were unique to that book. However, these days it seems the companies are pushing the boundaries of those laws, and insisting on things that were never intended by the original copyright laws and is largely unenforceable. For example, if you download an audio book from Audible you'll probably get some standard warning to the effect not to transmit this audio book via email, Internet download, not to stream the recording, or play this recording in front of a live audience. Its to this latter point that I find a bit disturbing. As I don't see anything wrong with buying an audio book and playing it with a bunch of friends or in front of a class of students. Yet, according to the copyright notice that sort of public use is impermissible, and I think could be challenged if push came to shove. When I was a student in grade school our V.I. teacher use to get audio books from the National Library Service and play a chapter or so every day after lunch. All the kids would gather around and listen to the book, and then answer questions about it the teacher asked. I think this is a pretty fair use of the audio book, and even if it were obtained from Audible instead of NLS I think they shouldn't have the right to restrict someone like a school teacher from playing an audio book in front of her class. That seems to me to be a perfectly fair use of that audio recording. However, it sounds like the companies that produce books on tape, CD, and for digital download have other ideas of what is and is not fair use of that recording. The reason I am saying all of this is to point out that over the years the intended use of the copyright laws have changed, and corporations with lots of money invested in their products have used copyright laws to beat people over the head and beat them into submission. In some cases what the corporations demand isn't even entitled to them under the current copyright laws, and since most people don't know their rights they often get run over by the greedy companies who want to control everything, and squeeze every dime they can out of their customers one way or another. Now, though, thanks to the rise of the Internet companies are having problems holding onto their copyrights and many people, common people, are willing to test the boundaries of copyright law. Fan fiction is one area where we see this happening. There are a number of fan fiction sites where people can submit stories on Star Wars, Harry Potter, Batman, or whatever and have it read by the rest of the world. Some publishers have taken the fan fiction sites to court only to get their butts royally kicked for their efforts. So thanks to the efforts of fan fiction people are beginning to take back their rights, and telling Warner Brothers and other companies like them we are not going to give them absolute control over this content. That the community has some rights under the fair use clause of the U.S. Copyright Act and we will darn well use them. Basically, I think if a developer, such as myself, decides to create a LOTR game as long as it was free, I wasn't making a profit off of it, I could probably claim it is a type of fan fiction. As such I could use the same fair use clause they use to legally keep running fan fiction sites even though it makes the copyright holders madder than a crazy rat with his tail on fire. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi tom. It's also worth noting that as far as rules and rpgs go, if you've got a good m, you don't even need to be a rules master for tabletop games either. i played six months of our mutants and masterminds campeigne before our gm bought me a copy of the rules in pdf format as a christmas present, and even then i didn't read them all through start to finish but just checked specific stuff, neither do I have any of the extra books that various people use, indeed much of what we do in mutants is based on rp, rather than dice mechanics, or at least we work out what to do first then the gm! converts it into numbers :D. As regards side scrollers, I will point out A, that just because something is a side scroller that doesn't mean it can't have background doors. mega man zero for instance had a full and complex layout for it's main 2D base, by employing doors in the background you could choose to enter. Also, remember that by clever tricks of mapping you can simulate many terrain types. for example, say instead of having a hill facing the player, ie, you just start at the bottom and move up to the top in a diagonal, I do as super marrio brothers 2 (the one where you pick up and chuck vegies), did, and have the hill essentially in the background facing the player. players could! climbe up the left side to the top, but they could also walk straight along the bottom then jump up ledges above their heads, essentially going up the front of the hill, or indeed go to the far right and then climb back up and left. While I agree that you cannot have a full four directional map in side scrollers, you can still! use a lot of terrain tricks to up the complexity of your layout, especially on a very large map, which was of course something which the sorts of side scrollers i most enjoy, the large exploration ones like metroid and turrican took full advantage of, though of course middle earth would still! be too large as a side scroller. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
I was going to buy it at the end of the month if the budgit allowed it, but if you've already done it... Shane -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing Hi. I have a copy of the complete package, I purchased it this morning as I for the most part enjoyed the classic BSC games. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: Pitermach Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:44 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing here's what I just posted in the form of an audioboo, which I think I should throw out here as well... I don't have the $75 myself. The BSC games, I think, were a big part of what made audiogames are today, and that we should preserve them for newcomers to the audiogame idea and let those that legally bought the games be able to play them on new computers they might own. SO I think we should all throw something like $5 and eventually I think we can get the $75 we need. Then someone with the server space can host everything. Now I realise this isn't exactly right and why people didn't do this with, say, the NVDA vocalizer driver which is still available for purchase, but considering all of these games are just going to disappear completely in mid May I seriously think we should do this. It does look like no one I know currently has the money to do this on his/her own, and if no one takes advantage of the offer, the games will just disappear. And even though there are cracks for the newer games (might as well admit it since bs will close), the older editions of pipe and troup, and the word games don't have one, neither does the software so that will just leave them unplayable for many people. On 2013-04-17 18:18, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Bryan, I know. I don't have the $75 right now or I would buy it and then share the key generator with everyone who can't afford it so that we could keep those games alive. Hopefully someone somewhere will share the key gen so those of us who can't whip out the $75 in the next month can continue to play Pipe and troopenum without letting them go dead. Cheers! On 4/17/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Especially since not everybody wo owns those games will be able to pay 75 dollars for the unlock code geerator. Guess I won't be putting those gaes on my new computer, whenever it is that I end up getting one. Disappointing since they were pretty much the first audio games I ever played and evennow I enjoy them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi tom. well I don't mind generic fantasy concepts in games, but history and background can mean so much more. There are plenty of Eamon games (and others), which basically take the form of adventurer going into generic undergorund dungeon full of goblins, rats etc, grabbing treasure and getting out. i enjoy these for what they are, but I do feel I miss the history and it's certainly something that would add to the game for me considderably, likewise, a simply irect copy of lotr, say a game in which you entered a ruined dwarf city called mordin and fought a demon on a narrow bridge would be even less enjoyable than a generic underground dungeon with no explanation at all, since it'd would feel! like a cheap copy. This is in fact one reason I hate terry brooks, but his sword of shanara particularly, since the plot, the characters, the world, are so blatantly thefts from tolkien it's unbelievable. while I don't particularly wrate any of his other books either since they are pretty much standard DD fair, (I found I could put a class on every character just by their description), Sword of shanara annoygs me particularly because it is such! a direct copy of tolkien. As to the creative process, well to be honest I'm the other way around. Programming rather baffles me, but ideas for plots, settings, characters, ideas for game design come very easily to me for some reason as you might have noticed. indeed, if you would like to work on an rpg collaboratively in some form, let me know off list, (I also love writing history and background for fantasy kingdoms as well). Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
HI Charlse. It sounds as if you got a bad intro to rpgs really, especially if your DD gm didn't give you a full introduction. i'd recommend taking a look at some of the gamebooks around the net on sites like fighting fantasy project or project.aon, or maybe games like sryth, plus if you have easy access to a 32 bit windows 7, maybe trying eamon deluxe too. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Dark, Lol! Yeah, I think Tolkien would be pretty surprised at such Dungeons and Dragons type characters, because they were designed for a special game system and not really to tell a story the way the characters in LOTR were. None of the wizards in LOTR are strengthless wimps, and none of the warriors are thick as a brick meet shields. :D In any case I agree the main characters for LOTR are really unsuited for an RPG game. It would be better to create new and original characters that tell their own story, choose their own adventure in Middle Earth, and that through the course of their adventures meet Aragon, Gandalf, and so on. There are two good reasons for this. First, you can claim your game is fan fiction. You are not outright basing it on Tolkien's works, but only using his world and characters as a setting for your own story. Second, you have the freedom to step outside of accepted cannon to tell new stories and have new adventures not covered by the original saga. Since this is a game I'd assume people wouldn't mind having some new content that isn't strictly cannon, but sticks to cannon when and where possible. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Numbers in emails Re: BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
He writes emails like he's writing text messages. So, he uses 2 instead of to or too and b instead of be. I'm certainly no grammar cop or anything, but that's just lazy 2 me. Just kidding. To me. -- Raul A. Gallegos Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/18/2013 9:19 AM, Bryan Peterson wrote: What's with all those numbers? LOL. But thou must! -Original Message- From: James Bartlett Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:14 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing Hi So where do I send my $5 to. I have 2 imit I have never played 1 of there games, but games r like books 2 me, and we need 2 hold on and keep them safe. Not only 4 ower gen but 4 ower kids and there kids and so on and so on. In order 2 know where u r going u have 2 know where u have been. I wouldn't wont a book 2 die and I don't wont a game 2 die ether. Bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Tom. You are right, coorporations these days just think they can push people around and exact money, despite whether it is reasonable or not. For instance, some cinemas have started disallowing people from taking their own sweets and drinks in, despite the fact that the cinema charges about three times the price you'd pay on a highstreet. The result? people simply put stuff in their bags, and in britain at least nobody has had the gaul to try and search patrons for food not perchiced on the premises (there would be a real! legal stink about that one), indeed most of my local cinemas don't even try anymore even if you do walk in bltantly carrying a bottle of coke or a bag of popcorn from the local supermarkit. certainly, as you said yourself, a free game is like a fanfic, so there is no arguement there, indeed various retro remakes exist of games like starwars, doctor who etc, (and of course plenty of freeware remakes of commercial games using original graphics), not to mention youtube vids and the like. Even with paying for a game, I still think there is a chance since A, Phil has managed fine with sarah which is a commercial harry potter game, and B, it's not as if warner brothers, paramount etc create a hole bunch of accessible games. They cannot claime that an audio game is taking money away from them, since it's not as if they are producing anything even in the same genre. while i know you got a cease and desist letter over monti, my brother, who is a solicitor, frequently says such letters are basically sent by solicitors to scare people into compliance, even when there is no case. For example, we once got a letter from the solicitor of the garrage at the back of my parents house saying your fense is on our property, move it!), which was complete rubbish since we have the original deeds, they were just trying it on. while I can appreciate you not wanting to pay court costs etc, I do wonder how far that actually would've gone if you had! fought the case, and I think the same could apply to starwars, startrek etc.After all can you imagine the headlines? Warner brothers leaves blind gamers in the dark! Myself, I'd say on a free game you've got every chance, and even if you did! want to make the game commercial, your likely okay. indeed, one way around this might be to simply make the game free and accept donations as developers like Dennis and Aprone do for their games. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Sound creation alone for such a game might be tough since you'd have to score areas from Hobbiton to Rivendell to Moria, Cirith Ungol, etc. As I said the Super Nintendo game, which was based on Fellowship of the Ring, did ann excellent job at least as far as the music went. In every other respect though the game was a total mess. You had to mind not just one but eight! characters which in a straight action game can be difficult enough. But the AI was quite frankly horrible since it didn't occur to Interplay, the game's developer, simply to have one character be controlled at a time and let the player switch between them as needed depending on the situation. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:41 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games Sound creation sure would be time consuming, and the north/south restrictions would be even worse, and unrealistic. And you're most likely right about the RPGs not being as I thought. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games Hi Dark, Agreed. I sincerely doubt any side-scroller could cover the whole of Middle Earth unless a developer wanted to dedicate the rest of his life to writing the game. For one thing you are limited to a 2d format where the only directions are left, right, up, and down. There isn't any north, south, east, and west so right there you couldn't lay out the location of towns, rivers, woods, and other aspects of the world in anything remotely realistic. About the best you could do is have a linier progression where you start in Hobbiton, walk right until you reach Buckleberrry Fairy, continue right until you reach Riven Dale, and so on. Its OK, but not very flexible since you only can continue east with no opportunity to go north or south along your journey. The other issue Charles probably hasn't considered is that of sounds. If I am writing a roll playing game or text adventure I can certainly get sounds for swords, axes, spears, as well as for rivers, farms, woods, etc, but can use Sapi to describe everything that isn't audible as well as give details of the world around you. With a side-scroller or FPS style game I have to come up with a sound for every single person, place, and thing in the game world. That would not only be expensive but I think would be unnecessary to boot since there are easier ways around this problem. Plus as you said I think Charles has the wrong idea about what constitutes a roll playing game in the first place. He is talking about design issues that are more specific to straight up table top roll playing like Dungeons and Dragons where it doesn't have to be nearly that complex. The Eamon system, as you mentioned, is a lot more realistic for something like this than anything else. Cheers! On 4/19/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi charlse. This is a design issue with rpgs, however if they are properly! designed then you shouldn't have to read through the rules accept as reference occasionally, or maybe have a short introduction. Again, this is something great about eamon, since the system is so simple to understand you can just pick it up and play it. As to a side scroller with exploration, even speaking from the perspective of someone who plays huge! low vision accessible full side scrollers like turrican and metroid, I'm not really convinced you could get anything that would contain enough teretory or diversity to really fit even a tenth of middle earth, since a side scroller is limited in it's setting, you can just throw anything in in terms of trees, standing stones, landscape etc, much less have enough diverse locations or locations that were far enough apart. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
That's one thing I like about Sryth. The GM clearly put a lot of thought into his world and the creatures and people who live in it. But thou must! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:57 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games Hi tom. well I don't mind generic fantasy concepts in games, but history and background can mean so much more. There are plenty of Eamon games (and others), which basically take the form of adventurer going into generic undergorund dungeon full of goblins, rats etc, grabbing treasure and getting out. i enjoy these for what they are, but I do feel I miss the history and it's certainly something that would add to the game for me considderably, likewise, a simply irect copy of lotr, say a game in which you entered a ruined dwarf city called mordin and fought a demon on a narrow bridge would be even less enjoyable than a generic underground dungeon with no explanation at all, since it'd would feel! like a cheap copy. This is in fact one reason I hate terry brooks, but his sword of shanara particularly, since the plot, the characters, the world, are so blatantly thefts from tolkien it's unbelievable. while I don't particularly wrate any of his other books either since they are pretty much standard DD fair, (I found I could put a class on every character just by their description), Sword of shanara annoygs me particularly because it is such! a direct copy of tolkien. As to the creative process, well to be honest I'm the other way around. Programming rather baffles me, but ideas for plots, settings, characters, ideas for game design come very easily to me for some reason as you might have noticed. indeed, if you would like to work on an rpg collaboratively in some form, let me know off list, (I also love writing history and background for fantasy kingdoms as well). Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Tom. that is one reason I don't particularly like the DD character system. it worked for dungeons and dragons, but I always think it's interesting to see it changed. for example, in one varient of the roguelike Angband there is a really interesting barbarian class. As a barbarian they are extremely strong and tough, but are limited to large, two handed weapons like axes and spears. they can throw weapons well, but don't have any skills with bows or crossbows. Since they live close to nature and spirits of their tribes, they can use some of the nature type spells, especially those for battling and harming enemies, and while not very intelligent have lots of wisdom so can resist magical traps and illusions, but with a low intelligence and stealth get hit rather frequently by mechanical ones. That to me is an interesting! class, and not anything like the DD barbarians, indeed if you read the original Conan stories by Robbert E howard, conan is represented ass a gifted traveller who is extremely intelligent, indeed the first story Howard wrote was about King conan writing a treaty with a neighboring kingdom, not the musclehead we expect. getting bac to lotr however, I do like your idea of characters that meet gandalf, aragorn etc. one other advantage I see of this (particularly for lotr fans), is the chance to explore places and take side trips not in the books. for example, in the hobbit, Gandalf says that the dwarves must travel through! mirkwood to reach the lonely mountain, because round the forest to the north were the grey mountains full of goblins, hob goblins and Orcs, (the only time hob goblins are mentioned by tolkien), while to the south the forest went close to the necromancer's laire in Dol guldur (the necromancer who of course turned out to be Sauron). A game however would be the perfect opportunity to explore those places rather closer, perhaps even choosing those routes over the forest with the giant spiders. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Bryan. i agree on sryth, the world and setting are great, for all I really don't! like where the gm decided to take things after such a promising start with all the adventurer tocan sinks, need to donate to the game etc. Still, the world is beautifully worked out and when the gm bothers to write is well described too. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Numbers in emails Re: BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
And it confuses screen readers. I'd hate to see that in a text adventure game LOL. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:08 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Numbers in emails Re: BlindSoftware.com Is Closing He writes emails like he's writing text messages. So, he uses 2 instead of to or too and b instead of be. I'm certainly no grammar cop or anything, but that's just lazy 2 me. Just kidding. To me. -- Raul A. Gallegos Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/18/2013 9:19 AM, Bryan Peterson wrote: What's with all those numbers? LOL. But thou must! -Original Message- From: James Bartlett Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:14 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing Hi So where do I send my $5 to. I have 2 imit I have never played 1 of there games, but games r like books 2 me, and we need 2 hold on and keep them safe. Not only 4 ower gen but 4 ower kids and there kids and so on and so on. In order 2 know where u r going u have 2 know where u have been. I wouldn't wont a book 2 die and I don't wont a game 2 die ether. Bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Does anyone have Rauls game recordings?
Hi, I'm looking for Rauls game recordings. Since his website still seems to be offline, I wanted to ask if someone here on list maybe has his recordings archived and can upload them on dropbox or sendspace or something? I honestly thought I saved them myself, but I can't find them anywhere, so I suppose I either lost them or actually never saved them. Lol. So, if anyone could help me out, this would be great. It's just that at the moment I'd rather listen to someone play games than to play them myself. *grins* Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone have Rauls game recordings?
The only one I have now is his Review of Blast chamber. I used to have a few of them. Curt Taubert skype: curt_taubert twitter: curt78Curt Taubert On 4/19/2013 5:49 PM, Sarah Haake wrote: Hi, I'm looking for Rauls game recordings. Since his website still seems to be offline, I wanted to ask if someone here on list maybe has his recordings archived and can upload them on dropbox or sendspace or something? I honestly thought I saved them myself, but I can't find them anywhere, so I suppose I either lost them or actually never saved them. Lol. So, if anyone could help me out, this would be great. It's just that at the moment I'd rather listen to someone play games than to play them myself. *grins* Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Cyber assault query
I'm not sure I understand your question fully, but I'll give it a shot. At the moment, almost everything in the game is accessable to all classes. This is going to change in the near future, and has already begun to do so. As far as commands go, the help system ingame can be quite useful if you know what you want to look up. If you're still having trouble, you might try asking around on gossip for help; if anybody is active they'll be more than willing to give you a hand. - Original Message - From: Keith ks.steinbac...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:23:37 -0500 Subject: [Audyssey] Cyber assault query Hi, have a cyberassault mud question. Besides the game's webpage, which gives a description of the classes (example, crazies, borgs, mercenaries, stalkers, predators, and callers), the information is pretty lacking. Game commands, if all classes can tap all skills in the game, etc. Is there some other way of gaining such info? Thanks Keith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp with a trackpad.
Thanks for catching the tap to click. That was my major issue with the game, and in hindsight I really should have remembered it, heh. My personal solution was to open the right-click menu for my mouse's system tray icon, and there was an option for tap-to-click. I'm not sure if this is universal, but it might be worth a try. - Original Message - From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:18:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp with a trackpad. Ok. Let's just step back a bit and work from the beginning. You are firing your gun when you don't mean to because of a setting called tap to click. This is a very common, almost universal setting on a touchpad. Your touch pad will be unique to itself, because manufacturers love not integrating their settings into a defacto settings sheme like Control Panel, though maye you can find out something about tap to click in your Mouse settings area. If you can find a way to disable tap to click, then you will find Swamp much easier to play. I will, however, second the motion to play around with sensitivity. I play with my sensitivity all the way up or on the next setting, depending on which character I'm on at the time, but that's not for everyone. Also, make sure your screen orientation is proper. I found out the hard way that if my screen orientation is sideways or whatever, Swamp doesn't work right in terms of mouse movements. I play exclusively with the track pad, to the point that I have tried using a mouse and failed epically. It's convenient to the keyboard, and it feels rather natural to me. plus, I started out on a touchpad, and that's all I've really used. I've heard good and bad things about the use of a track pad, but I'm a firm believer that it can work quite well. If there's anything else I can help you with, please let me know. I've got tremendous track pad experience. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone have Rauls game recordings?
Hi, yeah, I have this review too, because it comes with the game. I'm looking for the others, there was a whole bunch of them on his website. Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone have Rauls game recordings?
Hi, yeah, I have this review too, because it comes with the game. I'm looking for the others, there was a whole bunch of them on his website. Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone have Rauls game recordings?
Let me check on my desktop. I think I still have several of them their. Curt Taubert skype: curt_taubert twitter: curt78Curt Taubert On 4/19/2013 6:19 PM, Sarah Haake wrote: Hi, yeah, I have this review too, because it comes with the game. I'm looking for the others, there was a whole bunch of them on his website. Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Dark, Now, that is probably doable. Taking donations for sounds, music, etc but releasing he game as free fan fiction would probably not raise a stink with anyone over copyrights. I might be able to get away with selling a Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, or Star Trek game, but I don't know if I want to run the risk. That said, your brother is absolutely right. A lot of times the cease and desist letters are the lawyers way of attempting to scare the other party into backing down and complying with what the company perceives as their rights even when they don't have a case. For example, a while back a company called Audyssey Technology wrote Raul and I to say that we were violating their trademark and wanted us to turn the Audyssey.org domain over to them etc. Well, by that time I was a good more educated about copyright law than I was when I got hit over the head with a cease and desist letter regarding Monte and chose not to back down. Raul and I wrote them back explaining that the Audyssey Magazine was started in 1996, with no knowledge of Audyssey Technology and no intend to infringe, and the Audyssey site is merely a non-profit extension of the Audyssey Magazine. Audyssey Technology backed down in a hurry, and we have never been bothered by them again. So, yes, these companies really don't want to pay expensive court costs if they don't have to. Most of the time they are paper tigers trying to scare people into submission unless its something they know they can win, and moreover if there is profit in it for them. If there is no money in it to sue another party over copyrights chances are slim to none they won't do it. That is why if I did do a Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Star Trek, Batman, or similar game I probably wouldn't charge for it. If I claim no money was taken for the product they can't claim I made thousands of dollars in ill gotten gains of their intellectual property and sue me over it. They are less likely to sue someone over a free game than someone who creates a game and charges $30 for x number of copies. However, that's just my point of view. Its always possible I could make a Lord of the Rings game, sell several copies, and no one will bother me over it. If so that's great, but what if they do decide to press the issue. Then, I will have to have the funds to fight it in court if they take it that far. :D Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone have Rauls game recordings?
Hi. I have his faull walkthrus for superliam, Shades, gma tank commander, pipe2, hunter and the 17 original lone wolf missions. I'm at my parents right now, while the walkthrus are on my laptop back in my flat where I will be on thursday, but if nobody has found them by then I can always bang them on sendspace. i will say though that it would be great if raul could still host these himself, as well as his storm8 podcasts. i really like raul's reviews and walkthroughs, they're clear, well explained and he's got a wonderfully casual manner making them great to listen to so it'd be a shame both if his past ones vanished, and also if he didn't do anymore. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Dark, Exactly my point. In a text adventure/RPG system there is more than one route a person could take. They could travel north through the Gray Mountains, they could travel straight through Mirkwood, or to the south through Guldor. Either way would offer different adventures and different side trips not specifically mentioned in the Hobbit or Lord of the Rings books. The more I think about it the more I am interested in looking into something like this. Perhaps if you would write the stories and game descriptions I could do the coding. :D Cheers! On 4/19/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. that is one reason I don't particularly like the DD character system. it worked for dungeons and dragons, but I always think it's interesting to see it changed. for example, in one varient of the roguelike Angband there is a really interesting barbarian class. As a barbarian they are extremely strong and tough, but are limited to large, two handed weapons like axes and spears. they can throw weapons well, but don't have any skills with bows or crossbows. Since they live close to nature and spirits of their tribes, they can use some of the nature type spells, especially those for battling and harming enemies, and while not very intelligent have lots of wisdom so can resist magical traps and illusions, but with a low intelligence and stealth get hit rather frequently by mechanical ones. That to me is an interesting! class, and not anything like the DD barbarians, indeed if you read the original Conan stories by Robbert E howard, conan is represented ass a gifted traveller who is extremely intelligent, indeed the first story Howard wrote was about King conan writing a treaty with a neighboring kingdom, not the musclehead we expect. getting bac to lotr however, I do like your idea of characters that meet gandalf, aragorn etc. one other advantage I see of this (particularly for lotr fans), is the chance to explore places and take side trips not in the books. for example, in the hobbit, Gandalf says that the dwarves must travel through! mirkwood to reach the lonely mountain, because round the forest to the north were the grey mountains full of goblins, hob goblins and Orcs, (the only time hob goblins are mentioned by tolkien), while to the south the forest went close to the necromancer's laire in Dol guldur (the necromancer who of course turned out to be Sauron). A game however would be the perfect opportunity to explore those places rather closer, perhaps even choosing those routes over the forest with the giant spiders. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone have Rauls game recordings?
Hi Dark, ok, sounds like you have most of them. It would be great if you could upload them if noone else has them by thursday then, thanks for that! You are right, it would be good if these files could be hosted somewhere. I like all his recordings too, and of course I'd like to hear new ones too. *smiles* Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Tom. well donations would be fine with me, and I can understand you not taking the risk though I am reasonably certain they wouldn't take it through the legal system anyway simply because of how ridiculous it'd look, and which thousands of dollars couldd they claime for from an audio game anyway :D. still, there's no real arguing with donations anyway as you said yourself so that strikes me as a great way to go. indeed, you could considder building the game in such a way that the game would begin! as sapi, but the more donations you got, the more sounds you added in, now there's! insentive :D. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Tom. well that sounds a fair arrangement to me, though I'd worry that I was getting all the fun :D. Seriously I would very much like to help with that sort of thing since writing descriptively is one thing I can! do. the only thing that worries me in terms of you making a lotr game, is that this has also to go into the pile with your vampire idea, the wrestling game, raceway, another side scroller, that 3D game you want to make and everything else. while I'd love! to see a lotr game, i'd even more like to see actually a finished project of some sort from usa games. i know for instance you were! thinking of an rpg of some sort some years ago, but not whether any work went into that game at all or if it could be produced in a lotr setting. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone have Rauls game recordings?
Hi Sarah. i will certainly upload them if I can. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Sarah Haake ti...@gmx.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone have Rauls game recordings? Hi Dark, ok, sounds like you have most of them. It would be great if you could upload them if noone else has them by thursday then, thanks for that! You are right, it would be good if these files could be hosted somewhere. I like all his recordings too, and of course I'd like to hear new ones too. *smiles* Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
yeah, I know, I had the cash. It was steep as but I decided to get it. maybe after bsc closes who knows. At 11:01 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote: True. The way it was worded was basically tat it sounded like you basically have to bu all our other existing stuff in order to keep our titles alive. That's what had me upset. Now thhat I think about it I guess it makes sense but it doesn't make me any happier since I won't be able to keep my current titles alive due to a lack of 75 bcks to forkover. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Scott Chesworth Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing Somewhat hilariously, I'd say he's made things difficult for himself with that spammy style of email. If it'd been as straight forward as folks, the company is shutting up shop because of this that and the other on this date in May, but you can grab our key generator for $75 and keep your existing titles alive after we're gone, I think there'd be 75% less griping going on here. Way to shoot yourself in the foot Mr D! Just a thought. It probably won't even make a dent. Scott On 4/19/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Here is the complete Email that I was sent. While it doesn't list everything that was produced, I think most are mentioned. It also is what Justin is going to be doing, what he is offering, and why: of high intention, sincere effort, intelligent direction, and skillful execution! - Original Message - From: Justin Daubenmire from BlindSoftware.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:37 Subject: BlindSoftware.com is closing forever! BlindSoftware.com - your place on the net for software for the blind and visually impaired. supp...@blindsoftware.com Thursday, April 18, 2013 It is Justin Daubenmire, founder of BlindSoftware.com. I hope this email finds you well. I'm sending you this email because you either signed up for my newsletter a while ago or you recently purchased a program from my website. I have some good news that I wanted to share with you so get ready! Over the next month, I am going to be closing BlindSoftware.com forever. That's right, forever. And you are thinking. and that is good news? Actually, yes it is. keep reading! When I opened up BlindSoftware.com back in 2001 , I was 28 years old and single. Today, I am 40 years old, married, and have 4 children all under the age of 11! So what exactly does that mean? Well, not only am I blind, but being a father of 4 lovely children (and a dog) has also caused me to go bald! The joke in my home is that dad is bald and beautiful! Lol. Simply put, now that I am a father and husband I just do not have enough time to devote to the company anymore so I am going to close it. However, before I close the doors on it, I wanted to contact you with a very special offer that I think you will appreciate. The software that I currently offer through BlindSoftware.com includes: Games a.. Classic Pipe - a $24.95 value b.. Classic Troopanum - a $24.95 value c.. Troopanum in Spanish - a $24.95 value d.. Hunter - a $34.95 value e.. Blast Chamber - a $34.95 value f.. Troopanum 2.0 - a $34.95 value g.. Word Strain Volume 1 - a $14.99 value h.. Word Strain Volume 2 - a $14.99 value Ok, as if that isn't enough. here are more programs (not games) that I offer on the site too: a.. Day By Day Professional Calendar/Appointment/reminder program - a $29.99 value b.. BSC Talking Clock and reminder program - a $19.99 value c.. Pulse MP3 player - a $14.99 value Wow. that is a ton of games and software if I might say so myself! Collectively, if you were to purchase every single program I just listed, it would cost you a hefty $285 (including tax). But, I am not in this to get wealthy. I make my living as a computer programmer working for a large corporation in the United States. So, before I close BlindSoftware.com forever, I want to help you have all these programs for your personal enjoyment and entertainment. So, I'm not going to ask $285 of you - In fact, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised to find that I'm not even going to go anywhere NEAR that. By taking action today, you can get all of this. everything mentioned above for the low, one time investment of only. $200.no - $150.no - $100. no - $90. no - $75. Yes, that's right. If you order today, you will be guaranteed the incredibly low one time price of just $75 for all of the games and programs offered on BlindSoftware.com. *** Free Bonuses (valued at over $85 *** When you make the smart decision to grab your own copy of all the BlindSoftware.com programs, you'll also receive these Thank You gifts, valued at over $85. Your bonuses include. Free Bonus # 1 Value $57 BSC Unlock Code Generator Program: Create Your Own Unlock Codes This powerful program will allow you to generate your own unlock codes for all of the games and programs that you purchase. Even
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
not necessarily, they will apear publically at some point, it just would be nice of justin officially did the permition thing but they will appear reguardless of what happens. and if you know what to do there are ways even now. At 11:07 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote: And that would give new audio gamers wo discover our little niche only after the ct-off date the chance to try these amazing and classic games. And now tat I've had time to think abouut it that more than anything is what upsets me most about tis. Had I the 75 dollars I would ided fork it over, but it's highly unlikely that I ill even next month. So I'm going to miss te opportunity. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions. Hi Cara, Well, I guess in time it would certainly pay for itself. After all I am getting an unlimited number of unlock codes for every piece of software on the site and $75 for that is a deal when I stop to consider the total value of the package. Of course, I'd pay double that if I could have his source code which I could convert to newer programming languages and turn around and resell. :D Cheers! On 4/18/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Thomas, in this case though, If one spends the $75 you get the benefit of having even just a single game on as many systems as you choose for as long as the games are playable. -Not even mentioning the other titles So even this would surely balance out the price tag. Yes? Thanks, Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
well as it stands my funding issues are not as bad as I thought they would be, sertainly cheaper than expected. Never the less I have just used my software upgrade budget for this year and then some. At 11:10 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote: I think it was a case of poor wording in the Email. If he'd just said he was offering a code generator that ulocks all our products I'm sure most of us would have been less upset LOL. As I say I another Email I'd now happily fork over the 75 if I had it, but of course being on a fixed income with many other bills o pay tat's not appening. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:59 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey]BSC Games shutting down, and reactions Hi Cara, It makes perfect sense, and I for one agree with you. We could use a lot less negativity and a little more constructive thought how we might keep these games alive for posterity. I for one have also have emailed Justin and have asked him if he'd be willing to sell the rights to Blindsoftware.com. So hopefully he will get back with you or I on that issue and be willing to sell his source to someone else who will carry the torch for BSC Games. Another option is Audyssey.org could start a Paypal account where everyone would donate x amount of money until the $75 is reached and then we could handle all free key replacements for BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com as a free service for the community. In that sense the games and the generator would be community property rather than belonging to any developer or company. Since Audyssey.org is a non-prophet organization we would maintain product keys and technical support as a community service free of charge. So might be the perfect solution to this problem if efforts to buy Blindsoftware.com falls through. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Not to steal some of Josh's fire here :) but again, this touches on my point as well. While I personally would like to see these games stay supported for the community, I have to wonder, what in the world many people here expect of developers? Why is it right to treat Justin with such negativity? This is the sort of thing I'm getting at. Can we not offer positive support and suggestion here rather than constant and obnoxious criticism and derision? Why would anyone want to be involved with a community of insistent nay-sayers when all we need do is approach this another way? For myself, rather than argue and complain, I searched out Justin's email address, first by asking people and then, when that failed, I kept looking on my own and finally I found it. I contacted him and politely / positively brought up the consideration of selling the company or rights to the games so that they can continue to be supported. I don't even play Windows games. I did this for this community This is what I'm suggesting when I mention getting involved. Rather than complain, take initiative for ourselves, and do something positive. Even if it's only a little thing but make a situation better not worse. Just do the best you can -Make sense? Thanks, Cara :) --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
there is a lord of the rings well in a shorter version. its one of the eamon deluxe adventures. At 11:54 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote: wEll i won't hold myu breath, but it's worth dreaming and who knows someday one of our good developers might just do a lord of the rings or hobbit game. Hint HInt thomas. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I wouldn't hold my breath. Most of the LOTR games out there aren't that good. There was one for the Super Nintendo that, while it featured an excellently Tolkien-ish soundtrack, was in ever other way a total mess. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Lisa Hayes Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:24 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format nOw charles what a grilliant idea and a version of the hobbit as well. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Charles, Yes, I think starting with a simple roll playing game based in a fantasy story or world you are familiar with would be the way to go. As Dark pointed out usually all the rules, stats, and whatever is handled by the game master anyway and isn't usually up to the player to begin with. In this case any stats or rules would be handled by the software and not by you just like as it would be in a side-scroller, FPS, etc. For example, lets say you are playing a Harry Potter game and Harry and Draco decide to have a duel in the trophy room like in the first book. Harry tries to stun Draco with his wand. Well, The game would automatically roll the d20 die, and then add or subtract your skill points to come up with the final score. Let's say your roll is 12 and Draco rolls a 9. The damage to Draco is 3 and is reduced from his stamina. While all that sounds pretty complex remember that the game is doing all this rolling, adding, and subtracting behind the scenes so all you ever see from the game is something like this. Harry aims his wand at Draco, and it emits a bright green flash of light. Draco yells in pain as he loses 3 stamina points. See what I mean? All that complexity you are thinking of is primarily specific to tabletop roll playing games like Dungeons and Dragons and really doesn't apply to games like Sryth or Eamon that handles all the game mechanics behind the scenes. I could tell you right now if I was writing a roll playing game based on Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings most of the complexity would be self-contained in the game software itself. All you would have to do is make decisions like attack, defend, or flee. :D Cheers! On 4/19/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I'm thinking that this would be a game I would have to try. Not that I like only easily learned games, but having never encountered an RPG other than Dungeon and Dragons and one other that was sort of similar, I've figured that they are mostly along the same idea, and I have been mistaken. A simple RPG dealing with a subject matter I'm interested in, such as the Harry Potter or LOTR series, would be a good way to possibly start working with other role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reactions.
well if you are meaning the community project, I am willing to allow full access to the community after blindsoftware closes. I have payed the 75 bucks us for the games. now if justin wants to charge a bit for the source, there is that much less for the community to fork. I am perfectly happy to do this. reguardless of this I plan to share with those that ask after 15th, however I would be interested in a community project. we really do need projects to pull the community together, this is surely the next step, we have all seen what eventually will happen to single developers, and it may be time to start moving as a group on things. At 01:00 AM 4/20/2013, you wrote: Hello Yes I myself would love 2 b apart of that. That sounds like a great plan. Bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
Hi Dark, Lol! There is the rub. I am so far behindit seems I will never catch up. I was pretty sick a lot last year so didn't do much programming on anything for close to 10 months so if I did a LOTR game it would just end up on the pile of evrything else to do. That's not to say I'm not interested though. Cheers! On 4/19/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. well that sounds a fair arrangement to me, though I'd worry that I was getting all the fun :D. Seriously I would very much like to help with that sort of thing since writing descriptively is one thing I can! do. the only thing that worries me in terms of you making a lotr game, is that this has also to go into the pile with your vampire idea, the wrestling game, raceway, another side scroller, that 3D game you want to make and everything else. while I'd love! to see a lotr game, i'd even more like to see actually a finished project of some sort from usa games. i know for instance you were! thinking of an rpg of some sort some years ago, but not whether any work went into that game at all or if it could be produced in a lotr setting. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BSC Games shutting down, and reacti ons
what would be needed to donate the entire lot to audyssey. again I stress, I was going to put things up on my dropbox to share I need to share for backup reasons to myself anyway. after blindsoftware closes I intend to upload the games and share them with everyone. on the other hand if this is and official project, I will happily donate everything. I don't ask for much, my main thing these days is searching for old computer sound card demo audio cds midi cds and other old things. sounds well whatever. Its how I have shared sounds and other software with friends, I have swapped old computers for music cds so. At 04:53 AM 4/20/2013, you wrote: Hi Cara, Yeah, I think community driven would be better. If we could get someone to donate the key generator to Audyssey.org I'd be happy to host the setup files for the games, and generate keys for the public as a free service. As you said yourself we the community have to help each other in order to make this community not only to survive but to thrive in the face of adversity. In this case the entire community can chip in to help these games. If I can figure out how to crack the blasted security on the sounds and music for the various games we could actually write free open source versions of the games and port them to Mac, iOS, and Linux as well as produce new versions for Windows 7/Windows 8. By releasing them as open source everyone can help with the coding if they want and if not can use them as educational materials. The only question would be what language to write them in. I think for all practical purposes writing them in C# .NET and then using the Mono Framework would be the best way to develop them as thanks to Mono C# .NET code is very cross-platform portable these days. There is even a version of Mono for iOS I believe. Although, it isn't free as the versions for Windows, Mac, and Linux are. Alternatively writing them in C++ wouldn't be as portable as C# .NET, but might actually run better and wouldn't require that .NET or Mono be installed on the host machine. All that would be needed is porting them to Object C for iOS which isn't too complicated I've heard. Any thoughts? Cheers! On 4/19/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Thomas, yes! these are the sorts of ideas we need more of! :) This is what I'm talkin' about! :) I think Shaun actually also brought this up as a possibility and it crossed my mind too but you two beat me to it! :) So thank you for suggesting this. I think something like this would be a terrific idea. Sure it would be great to have one of us own the company but community driven would even be better If we all chipped in a little bit we might be able to not only raise the $75 but perhaps even make it worth Justin's consideration of making the code available. -Just a thought I wonder if the community would be interested in this? Thanks, Cara :) --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] LOTR Games was Children's Games
what about writing lotr and hobbit as tactical battle maps? true its not a full game but its less fiddling round. At 05:12 AM 4/20/2013, you wrote: Hi Phil, Right. Yeah, I forgot about that. Of course, I think an audio game developer could do essentially the same thing as the Dungeons and Dragons books by borrowing generic fantasy elements of Lord of the Rings such as goblins, trolls, gnomes, etc and instead of call the Hobbits Hobbits use half lings etc. Its just that a developer couldn't use any of the copyrighted components directly unless they were willing to run the risk of copyright infringement. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net wrote: Hi Thomas, The LOTR books are still copyrighted. The Dungeons and Dragons books got around copyright by calling their half sized humanoids Halflings instead of hobbits. Other creatures like Elves and Gnomes are generic names that have been used for centuries and thus can't be copyrighted. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] reactions
I believe, but cannot confirm, that there was something on audiogames.net talking about various sound file decrypting. A common method seemed to be an archive file type, something used on a gaming platform? A lot of the above is pretty vague, but I'm pretty sure the info is out there somewhere. I remember seeing multiple references to a program called PSound. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 12:53:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey]BSC Games shutting down, and reactions Hi Cara, Yeah, I think community driven would be better. If we could get someone to donate the key generator to Audyssey.org I'd be happy to host the setup files for the games, and generate keys for the public as a free service. As you said yourself we the community have to help each other in order to make this community not only to survive but to thrive in the face of adversity. In this case the entire community can chip in to help these games. If I can figure out how to crack the blasted security on the sounds and music for the various games we could actually write free open source versions of the games and port them to Mac, iOS, and Linux as well as produce new versions for Windows 7/Windows 8. By releasing them as open source everyone can help with the coding if they want and if not can use them as educational materials. The only question would be what language to write them in. I think for all practical purposes writing them in C# .NET and then using the Mono Framework would be the best way to develop them as thanks to Mono C# .NET code is very cross-platform portable these days. There is even a version of Mono for iOS I believe. Although, it isn't free as the versions for Windows, Mac, and Linux are. Alternatively writing them in C++ wouldn't be as portable as C# .NET, but might actually run better and wouldn't require that .NET or Mono be installed on the host machine. All that would be needed is porting them to Object C for iOS which isn't too complicated I've heard. Any thoughts? Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Quality verses quantity of games.
true my idea was to have a game which would cost a small ammount, the next section would cost the same. each section say an adventure would end on a cliff hanger of sorts or something, so you would buy it in bits. my thought was that every piece you had would load the next so once you have finnished 1 piece you got the next piece. For starters, you would always get the first piece free, as a enticer and the next pieces would be payed with a small ammount, something like 10 bucks or even 5 bucks eventually you could get a completed story for 30 bucks or buy it as you went. yeah some games are not designed that way but oh well. At 06:58 AM 4/20/2013, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, that idea might work for some games, but not others. What I mean by that depending on how the game is designed it might not be able to be broken up into modules or separate components like that. For example, take the game Shades of Doom. You couldn't break that game up into separate modules because its a linier design from Area 1 to Area 9. You can't just write the first four or five levels, sell that as a starter game, and then sell levels 6 through 9 as an add-on pack. Since the game would be incomplete without the extra levels. That would be ethically questionable. However, the way ESP Pinball Extreme is designed its perfect for what you suggest. You buy the basic game with a starter set of tables and then can buy any number of expansion sets of tables that you want. Its the type of game you can do that sort of thing with and no one will have reason to complain since the starter game is a complete game in itself. The expansion pack is just that. An addition to the game you don't have to have. Still, the concept of designing more games with the ability to have expansion packs is a good one. It would help audio game developers raise money for their companies, and not be quite as time consuming as writing new games from scratch. A small $5 or $10 expansion pack for a game now and then would be a relatively inexpensive way to keep new game content coming while not taking that long to complete. For instance, I recall all of the original Tomb Raider games for the PC has expansion packs that essentially adds little mini games to the full game. You would have the original 15 levels, and then a mini game that you could buy and play for a fraction of the cost of the full game. Something like that model could be done in audio games, and a game like Judgment Day is a prime example of that in action. When you buy Judgment Day you of course get the game itself, but you get a few mini games as well as some extra scenes. I don't see why something like that game couldn't be expanded with a few more mini games and extra content here and there if a developer wanted to take that route. The mini games wouldn't have to be very expensive say $5.00 each or perhaps three for $15.00. Either way it would expand an existing game and not be expensive to obtain the new content. Cheers! On 4/18/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well I'd be happy to pay a lot for a large game, one idea I had, instead of paying say 100 bucks for a game have the game selling for 20-30 bucks maybe even 15 bucks. Don't develop the full game, just do it in bits, you buy 1 bit, and slowly buy more and more launching bits as you go. Or you could keep the price low and make the player have to find more bits to play somehow. I remember games in the old dos days, you brought a simple game with the game in it. you could then buy the full game or play the simple game and hunt for it every time you finnished a section you had to hunt for the next one, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Quality verses quantity of games.
just putting in something i forgot. a lot of games in mainstream you pay for have free or payed for downloadable content. in some cases the game iteself is free but extra stuff would be payed for. At 06:58 AM 4/20/2013, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, that idea might work for some games, but not others. What I mean by that depending on how the game is designed it might not be able to be broken up into modules or separate components like that. For example, take the game Shades of Doom. You couldn't break that game up into separate modules because its a linier design from Area 1 to Area 9. You can't just write the first four or five levels, sell that as a starter game, and then sell levels 6 through 9 as an add-on pack. Since the game would be incomplete without the extra levels. That would be ethically questionable. However, the way ESP Pinball Extreme is designed its perfect for what you suggest. You buy the basic game with a starter set of tables and then can buy any number of expansion sets of tables that you want. Its the type of game you can do that sort of thing with and no one will have reason to complain since the starter game is a complete game in itself. The expansion pack is just that. An addition to the game you don't have to have. Still, the concept of designing more games with the ability to have expansion packs is a good one. It would help audio game developers raise money for their companies, and not be quite as time consuming as writing new games from scratch. A small $5 or $10 expansion pack for a game now and then would be a relatively inexpensive way to keep new game content coming while not taking that long to complete. For instance, I recall all of the original Tomb Raider games for the PC has expansion packs that essentially adds little mini games to the full game. You would have the original 15 levels, and then a mini game that you could buy and play for a fraction of the cost of the full game. Something like that model could be done in audio games, and a game like Judgment Day is a prime example of that in action. When you buy Judgment Day you of course get the game itself, but you get a few mini games as well as some extra scenes. I don't see why something like that game couldn't be expanded with a few more mini games and extra content here and there if a developer wanted to take that route. The mini games wouldn't have to be very expensive say $5.00 each or perhaps three for $15.00. Either way it would expand an existing game and not be expensive to obtain the new content. Cheers! On 4/18/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well I'd be happy to pay a lot for a large game, one idea I had, instead of paying say 100 bucks for a game have the game selling for 20-30 bucks maybe even 15 bucks. Don't develop the full game, just do it in bits, you buy 1 bit, and slowly buy more and more launching bits as you go. Or you could keep the price low and make the player have to find more bits to play somehow. I remember games in the old dos days, you brought a simple game with the game in it. you could then buy the full game or play the simple game and hunt for it every time you finnished a section you had to hunt for the next one, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] for Sarah and, anyone else who might want these
I happened to find a few on my vista computer. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44174816/tutorial%202.zip -- Curt Taubert skype: curt_taubert twitter: curt78Curt Taubert --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
