Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi, At the moment I wasn't planning on it. However, let's actually get a game up and working before we begin adding extra force powers and abilities to the game. Smile. On 12/13/10, ryan chou ryan.chou1...@gmail.com wrote: hey thomas, just wondering, but will mara be able to use force blast? that's a cool move --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
hey thomas, just wondering, but will mara be able to use force blast? that's a cool move On 12/13/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Muhammed, No offense but you really need to ged a bit more background on Star Wars. I've never heard of a Light sabre using wind energy. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Darren Duff Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 2:20 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Same here -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 3:06 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Muhammed, Ummm...Speaking strictly as a Star Wars purest hear, why on earth would you want to ruin the game by doing something like that? I mean when I actually sink my teeth into Mysteries of the Sith I'm going to be trying my best to recreate the original game in an accessible format with maybe a few miner changes or details thrown in. For example, the original Mysteries of the Sith game didn't feature Mara's force bubble ability, and I plan to add that to the game since it is one of her widely documented force abilities. In a case like that it enhances the game play as it makes it more ttrue to the Star Wars universe. What you are suggesting, however, is so far off the mark it would absolutely kill the game. At least it would ruin it for a purest like me. Cheers! On 12/13/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: If Thomas does that, I'd make up my new one. Lite saber. Its one with a wind force and energy. Basically, you swing it with a good smack! Then, if it makes contact, wind and energy shoot at the same time, making your enemy fly through the air. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5700 (20101213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5700 (20101213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Fair enough -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 10:08 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi, Not this game. My purpose here would be to try and to recreate the original game, Mysteries of the Sith, so obviously I'd want as little end user suggestions as possible. Anything that would stray too far away from the original game would be undesirable. Its one thing to change keyboard commands for ease of use or to add access keys, and quite another to begin changing story elements, game levels, etc not knowing what the game is about. On 12/12/10, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: This is true. I wonder if you could add building your own light saber to the game I've always been fascinated with that --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5698 (20101213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5698 (20101213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi, Yes, it was. I believe it was Jedi Academy or something like that where one of your tasks was to construct your own light saber before you could become a Jedi Knight. However, that was a different storyline and different game altogether. On 12/13/10, Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk wrote: Adding into the game would be a very interesting feature - building your own saber was a feature of a later game I believe... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
If Thomas does that, I'd make up my new one. Lite saber. Its one with a wind force and energy. Basically, you swing it with a good smack! Then, if it makes contact, wind and energy shoot at the same time, making your enemy fly through the air. - Original Message - From: Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth This is true. I wonder if you could add building your own light saber to the game I've always been fascinated with that -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi, Yeah, but there seams to be some disagreement between Star Wars sources weather or not a light saber works under water. In the Jedi Knight games they would fail under water, and you had to depend on hand to hand combat or force ability to fight the dianogas and other sea creatures underwater. In the Phantom Menice Obi-Won drops his light saber in the swamp just after they escape the Trade Federation ship at the beginning of the movie and his light saber temperarily gets shorted out. So there is something of a case that can be made they generally don't work underwater. That's not to say perhaps Luke Skywalker or anyone else built a better design that does work underwater. In fact, building your own light saber is one of the tests of a Jedi Knight. On 12/12/10, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think light sabers do work under watter. Have you read splinter of the minds eye? IN that book there was a seen where luke used his saber under the water. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
That wouldn't fit into the Star Wars universe. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth If Thomas does that, I'd make up my new one. Lite saber. Its one with a wind force and energy. Basically, you swing it with a good smack! Then, if it makes contact, wind and energy shoot at the same time, making your enemy fly through the air. - Original Message - From: Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth This is true. I wonder if you could add building your own light saber to the game I've always been fascinated with that -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi, Yeah, but there seams to be some disagreement between Star Wars sources weather or not a light saber works under water. In the Jedi Knight games they would fail under water, and you had to depend on hand to hand combat or force ability to fight the dianogas and other sea creatures underwater. In the Phantom Menice Obi-Won drops his light saber in the swamp just after they escape the Trade Federation ship at the beginning of the movie and his light saber temperarily gets shorted out. So there is something of a case that can be made they generally don't work underwater. That's not to say perhaps Luke Skywalker or anyone else built a better design that does work underwater. In fact, building your own light saber is one of the tests of a Jedi Knight. On 12/12/10, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think light sabers do work under watter. Have you read splinter of the minds eye? IN that book there was a seen where luke used his saber under the water. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi Muhammed, Ummm...Speaking strictly as a Star Wars purest hear, why on earth would you want to ruin the game by doing something like that? I mean when I actually sink my teeth into Mysteries of the Sith I'm going to be trying my best to recreate the original game in an accessible format with maybe a few miner changes or details thrown in. For example, the original Mysteries of the Sith game didn't feature Mara's force bubble ability, and I plan to add that to the game since it is one of her widely documented force abilities. In a case like that it enhances the game play as it makes it more ttrue to the Star Wars universe. What you are suggesting, however, is so far off the mark it would absolutely kill the game. At least it would ruin it for a purest like me. Cheers! On 12/13/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: If Thomas does that, I'd make up my new one. Lite saber. Its one with a wind force and energy. Basically, you swing it with a good smack! Then, if it makes contact, wind and energy shoot at the same time, making your enemy fly through the air. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Same here -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 3:06 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Muhammed, Ummm...Speaking strictly as a Star Wars purest hear, why on earth would you want to ruin the game by doing something like that? I mean when I actually sink my teeth into Mysteries of the Sith I'm going to be trying my best to recreate the original game in an accessible format with maybe a few miner changes or details thrown in. For example, the original Mysteries of the Sith game didn't feature Mara's force bubble ability, and I plan to add that to the game since it is one of her widely documented force abilities. In a case like that it enhances the game play as it makes it more ttrue to the Star Wars universe. What you are suggesting, however, is so far off the mark it would absolutely kill the game. At least it would ruin it for a purest like me. Cheers! On 12/13/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: If Thomas does that, I'd make up my new one. Lite saber. Its one with a wind force and energy. Basically, you swing it with a good smack! Then, if it makes contact, wind and energy shoot at the same time, making your enemy fly through the air. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5700 (20101213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5700 (20101213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi Muhammed, No offense but you really need to ged a bit more background on Star Wars. I've never heard of a Light sabre using wind energy. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Darren Duff Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 2:20 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Same here -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 3:06 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Muhammed, Ummm...Speaking strictly as a Star Wars purest hear, why on earth would you want to ruin the game by doing something like that? I mean when I actually sink my teeth into Mysteries of the Sith I'm going to be trying my best to recreate the original game in an accessible format with maybe a few miner changes or details thrown in. For example, the original Mysteries of the Sith game didn't feature Mara's force bubble ability, and I plan to add that to the game since it is one of her widely documented force abilities. In a case like that it enhances the game play as it makes it more ttrue to the Star Wars universe. What you are suggesting, however, is so far off the mark it would absolutely kill the game. At least it would ruin it for a purest like me. Cheers! On 12/13/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: If Thomas does that, I'd make up my new one. Lite saber. Its one with a wind force and energy. Basically, you swing it with a good smack! Then, if it makes contact, wind and energy shoot at the same time, making your enemy fly through the air. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5700 (20101213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5700 (20101213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
A lightsaber will always be that. Light. lol. At 10:31 AM 13/12/2010, you wrote: If Thomas does that, I'd make up my new one. Lite saber. Its one with a wind force and energy. Basically, you swing it with a good smack! Then, if it makes contact, wind and energy shoot at the same time, making your enemy fly through the air. - Original Message - From: Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth This is true. I wonder if you could add building your own light saber to the game I've always been fascinated with that -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi, Yeah, but there seams to be some disagreement between Star Wars sources weather or not a light saber works under water. In the Jedi Knight games they would fail under water, and you had to depend on hand to hand combat or force ability to fight the dianogas and other sea creatures underwater. In the Phantom Menice Obi-Won drops his light saber in the swamp just after they escape the Trade Federation ship at the beginning of the movie and his light saber temperarily gets shorted out. So there is something of a case that can be made they generally don't work underwater. That's not to say perhaps Luke Skywalker or anyone else built a better design that does work underwater. In fact, building your own light saber is one of the tests of a Jedi Knight. On 12/12/10, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think light sabers do work under watter. Have you read splinter of the minds eye? IN that book there was a seen where luke used his saber under the water. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Exactly. That's what i said. It doesn't fit. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Muhammed, Ummm...Speaking strictly as a Star Wars purest hear, why on earth would you want to ruin the game by doing something like that? I mean when I actually sink my teeth into Mysteries of the Sith I'm going to be trying my best to recreate the original game in an accessible format with maybe a few miner changes or details thrown in. For example, the original Mysteries of the Sith game didn't feature Mara's force bubble ability, and I plan to add that to the game since it is one of her widely documented force abilities. In a case like that it enhances the game play as it makes it more ttrue to the Star Wars universe. What you are suggesting, however, is so far off the mark it would absolutely kill the game. At least it would ruin it for a purest like me. Cheers! On 12/13/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: If Thomas does that, I'd make up my new one. Lite saber. Its one with a wind force and energy. Basically, you swing it with a good smack! Then, if it makes contact, wind and energy shoot at the same time, making your enemy fly through the air. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Your right. But would you implement a feature that which will allow Mara to use her fists? Maybe I could launch some cool attacks with the mouse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I am with you there. I've been doing this whole gaming thing (with a keyboard) since I was about... well... 10 or so, then realized the potential of ps consoles, with when I was about 12. Then my life changed. Now I'm streetfightering (is that even a word or am I just neologising?) m king, tekkening, and wooping my dad's ass in every way under the sun! its so much fun, especially using the mouse, but the ps3 controller itself (if anyone wants drivers and instructions to make this possible) can be used with around 6 of our games already, making it possible to get a more mainstream feel, with top speed 2 expecially! Give it some thought people. Ben. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 12 December 2010 03:07 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Clement, Oh, I know. Isn't it amazing how resistant this comunity is to new ideas/concepts? I mean on one hand developers have been hearing this common thread that more VI gamers want to play mainstream games or games similar to the mainstream. They want something right up their with the latest titles for XBox, Play Station, and PC. However, the second they try to do so by adding a device like the mouse into the mix to add some of the features of mainstream games we come up against this rock solid resistance that says in effect, we want to use the keyboard and just make the mouse or joystick optional. Sorry, to tell those people sometimes that is simply not realistic. The keyboard is very limited in what it can do, and the reason we are seeing advanced conttrollers like the Wii-Motes, for example, is because they are not only more natural they allow you to do so much more than a keyboard could ever do on a good day. So the question is do these people really and truly want games equal to the mainstream games or do they want to sit back and play games like Uno, Monopoly, and BopIt the rest of their lives? These people need to realise if they want mainstream games then they are going to have to change and adapt to the way sighted people do things. At least to some degree. Their resistance to joysticks, mice, etc is only holding them back from experiencing new concepts and ideas that will improve their gaming experience not hinder it. Obviously, if I couldn't use a mouse in games I wouldn't bother supporting one, but that isn't the case at all. Cheers! On 12/11/10, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Tom for saying what's been on my mind for the last little while. Why complain about something that is obviously only going to help us grow as a gaming community? Half the mainstream games for PC these days are based around mouse control, anyway.. including fps games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Exactly! You rereleased jq? Have not got that one. Whats the mouse for now -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: 12 December 2010 01:56 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Thomas; I whole-heartedly agree! -Not only has mouse support been the first input method I've set up for the current Draco projects, but when developing Jedi Quake, I'd incorporated improved accessible mouse support to the latest couple of JQ releases to not only help people break out of the keyboard-only blind access thing but also just because I personally really like smooth, graceful motion. Using a keyboard to control a realtime simulation is just so herky-jerky and coarse. If people can just stop fearing the mouse and learn to work with it, it can be a really comfortable and fast way to game. Incidentally, this is exactly the same sort of complaining and arguing people were getting into, a couple of years ago when many were fighting the idea of the iPhone / touch screens on phones both for access and gaming alike. Like the touch screen, at least for the visually impaired market, the mouse is still essentially almost an untapped resource. I.E. It will just take some creative coders to incorporate it nicely into game designs so that VI people realize that it's cool and viable and everything will change, just like it has / is doing, with the iDevices and touch screens in general. We're only limited by our own imaginations! :) If we can conceive it it can happen! So if we want new / innovative gaming / VR experiences, then we need to bring new and innovative mindsets to them. the experiences will then be new and innovative!. :) Have a great evening / weekend All and chat witcha on the flip!. Smiles, Cara :) On Dec 11, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list
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Hi, I also love the mouse as a gaming device. For example, if it allows you to turn by moving the mouse around, sometimes it just can be hours faster than with the keyboard. Kevin - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 11:07:56 - Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Your right. But would you implement a feature that which will allow Mara to use her fists? Maybe I could launch some cool attacks with the mouse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well I like the mouse myself. At 12:51 a.m. 13/12/2010, you wrote: Hi, I also love the mouse as a gaming device. For example, if it allows you to turn by moving the mouse around, sometimes it just can be hours faster than with the keyboard. Kevin - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 11:07:56 - Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Your right. But would you implement a feature that which will allow Mara to use her fists? Maybe I could launch some cool attacks with the mouse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, No pointin using fists...I can just see it now: Jedi is engaged in hand-to-hand combat against Darth Tyrannus! Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:08 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Your right. But would you implement a feature that which will allow Mara to use her fists? Maybe I could launch some cool attacks with the mouse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Jedi have been known to use hand-to-hand combat... Obi-Wan gives Jango Fett a pretty good run for his money with no lightsaber. At 12:11 PM 12/12/2010, you wrote: Hi, No pointin using fists...I can just see it now: Jedi is engaged in hand-to-hand combat against Darth Tyrannus! Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:08 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Your right. But would you implement a feature that which will allow Mara to use her fists? Maybe I could launch some cool attacks with the mouse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Hmmm...this is true. Though I wasn't exactly talking about a bounty hunterhere either... Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Clement Chou Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 2:31 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Jedi have been known to use hand-to-hand combat... Obi-Wan gives Jango Fett a pretty good run for his money with no lightsaber. At 12:11 PM 12/12/2010, you wrote: Hi, No pointin using fists...I can just see it now: Jedi is engaged in hand-to-hand combat against Darth Tyrannus! Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:08 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Your right. But would you implement a feature that which will allow Mara to use her fists? Maybe I could launch some cool attacks with the mouse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make
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Hi Hayden, On the contrary several of the Jedi Knight games feature hand to hand combat as well as light sabers, blasters, and the usual weaponry you would expect. In fact at the beginning of Jedi Knight I Kyle isn't even armed at the beginning of the game. You get your first weapon by grabbing the blaster from behind the bar, and then picking off the Rodian with the blastech pistol in the ceiling fan. Of course, you might have to use some hand to hand combat, smack a few heads in the Cantina, before getting that first blaster. Other times it comes in handy are the areas that are underwater were a blaster or light saber won't work. As for Jedi Knight Mysteries of the Sith I don't ever recall having a real need for fists, but the feature was most certainly available. It always just seamed I could use force powers to get what needed to be done without resorting to lesser means like beating up the enemy. I could usually force blind or stun the enemy and make a quick escape instead of sticking around fighting hand to hand with them. That especially holds true for the area with the prison block level where Mara is disarmed and locked in a jail cell below Ka'pa the Hut's palice. Once you escape the jail cell you have one big ugly rancor to fight and like Luke's encounter with the rancor she isn't armed when she does it. Best tactic there is to blind it, distract it, or whatever you can with the force and make good your escape and find Mara's saber elsewhere in the palice. If you want to settle the score with the rancor you can always go back and finish the job, but using fists definitely isn't going to work there. Lol! On 12/12/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, No pointin using fists...I can just see it now: Jedi is engaged in hand-to-hand combat against Darth Tyrannus! Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Muhammed, That feature already is built in by default. It was added to the game engine a long time ago, and are you forgetting it is now a core feature of the engine? Anyway, even if hand to hand combat wasn't a part of the engine I'd add it just because it was a feature of Mysteries of the Sith. I'm planning doing my best to recreate the original game as best as I can. Although, there will be some changes such as better sounds, maybe a slight change in force powers, different keyboard layout, and other modifications, but esssentually it will be the same. On 12/12/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Your right. But would you implement a feature that which will allow Mara to use her fists? Maybe I could launch some cool attacks with the mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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But if Jedi are experienced in hand-to-hand combat, doesn't that theoretically mean sith would be, as well? Amd Mara definitely knows hand-to-hand combat... lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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You know, as weird as this sounds, I like to run around beating enemies up. If an area has more enemies than are necessary, I tend to kill all of them just for fun... but I think fists wouldn't be a bad idea. At 01:03 PM 12/12/2010, you wrote: Hi Hayden, On the contrary several of the Jedi Knight games feature hand to hand combat as well as light sabers, blasters, and the usual weaponry you would expect. In fact at the beginning of Jedi Knight I Kyle isn't even armed at the beginning of the game. You get your first weapon by grabbing the blaster from behind the bar, and then picking off the Rodian with the blastech pistol in the ceiling fan. Of course, you might have to use some hand to hand combat, smack a few heads in the Cantina, before getting that first blaster. Other times it comes in handy are the areas that are underwater were a blaster or light saber won't work. As for Jedi Knight Mysteries of the Sith I don't ever recall having a real need for fists, but the feature was most certainly available. It always just seamed I could use force powers to get what needed to be done without resorting to lesser means like beating up the enemy. I could usually force blind or stun the enemy and make a quick escape instead of sticking around fighting hand to hand with them. That especially holds true for the area with the prison block level where Mara is disarmed and locked in a jail cell below Ka'pa the Hut's palice. Once you escape the jail cell you have one big ugly rancor to fight and like Luke's encounter with the rancor she isn't armed when she does it. Best tactic there is to blind it, distract it, or whatever you can with the force and make good your escape and find Mara's saber elsewhere in the palice. If you want to settle the score with the rancor you can always go back and finish the job, but using fists definitely isn't going to work there. Lol! On 12/12/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, No pointin using fists...I can just see it now: Jedi is engaged in hand-to-hand combat against Darth Tyrannus! Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, Ah...cool. Just didn't seem like a Jedi-esk minouver. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 3:03 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Hayden, On the contrary several of the Jedi Knight games feature hand to hand combat as well as light sabers, blasters, and the usual weaponry you would expect. In fact at the beginning of Jedi Knight I Kyle isn't even armed at the beginning of the game. You get your first weapon by grabbing the blaster from behind the bar, and then picking off the Rodian with the blastech pistol in the ceiling fan. Of course, you might have to use some hand to hand combat, smack a few heads in the Cantina, before getting that first blaster. Other times it comes in handy are the areas that are underwater were a blaster or light saber won't work. As for Jedi Knight Mysteries of the Sith I don't ever recall having a real need for fists, but the feature was most certainly available. It always just seamed I could use force powers to get what needed to be done without resorting to lesser means like beating up the enemy. I could usually force blind or stun the enemy and make a quick escape instead of sticking around fighting hand to hand with them. That especially holds true for the area with the prison block level where Mara is disarmed and locked in a jail cell below Ka'pa the Hut's palice. Once you escape the jail cell you have one big ugly rancor to fight and like Luke's encounter with the rancor she isn't armed when she does it. Best tactic there is to blind it, distract it, or whatever you can with the force and make good your escape and find Mara's saber elsewhere in the palice. If you want to settle the score with the rancor you can always go back and finish the job, but using fists definitely isn't going to work there. Lol! On 12/12/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, No pointin using fists...I can just see it now: Jedi is engaged in hand-to-hand combat against Darth Tyrannus! Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Actually, I think light sabers do work under watter. Have you read splinter of the minds eye? IN that book there was a seen where luke used his saber under the water. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 4:03 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Hayden, On the contrary several of the Jedi Knight games feature hand to hand combat as well as light sabers, blasters, and the usual weaponry you would expect. In fact at the beginning of Jedi Knight I Kyle isn't even armed at the beginning of the game. You get your first weapon by grabbing the blaster from behind the bar, and then picking off the Rodian with the blastech pistol in the ceiling fan. Of course, you might have to use some hand to hand combat, smack a few heads in the Cantina, before getting that first blaster. Other times it comes in handy are the areas that are underwater were a blaster or light saber won't work. As for Jedi Knight Mysteries of the Sith I don't ever recall having a real need for fists, but the feature was most certainly available. It always just seamed I could use force powers to get what needed to be done without resorting to lesser means like beating up the enemy. I could usually force blind or stun the enemy and make a quick escape instead of sticking around fighting hand to hand with them. That especially holds true for the area with the prison block level where Mara is disarmed and locked in a jail cell below Ka'pa the Hut's palice. Once you escape the jail cell you have one big ugly rancor to fight and like Luke's encounter with the rancor she isn't armed when she does it. Best tactic there is to blind it, distract it, or whatever you can with the force and make good your escape and find Mara's saber elsewhere in the palice. If you want to settle the score with the rancor you can always go back and finish the job, but using fists definitely isn't going to work there. Lol! On 12/12/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, No pointin using fists...I can just see it now: Jedi is engaged in hand-to-hand combat against Darth Tyrannus! Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I think that depends on the author. because in the phantom menace, when Obi-wan dives into the water with his lightsaber on, it dies, reportedly. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Yeah, but there seams to be some disagreement between Star Wars sources weather or not a light saber works under water. In the Jedi Knight games they would fail under water, and you had to depend on hand to hand combat or force ability to fight the dianogas and other sea creatures underwater. In the Phantom Menice Obi-Won drops his light saber in the swamp just after they escape the Trade Federation ship at the beginning of the movie and his light saber temperarily gets shorted out. So there is something of a case that can be made they generally don't work underwater. That's not to say perhaps Luke Skywalker or anyone else built a better design that does work underwater. In fact, building your own light saber is one of the tests of a Jedi Knight. On 12/12/10, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think light sabers do work under watter. Have you read splinter of the minds eye? IN that book there was a seen where luke used his saber under the water. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I don't think it would then again thats not been tested, Though I guess it may. nothing says it won't. At 11:56 a.m. 13/12/2010, you wrote: Hi, Yeah, but there seams to be some disagreement between Star Wars sources weather or not a light saber works under water. In the Jedi Knight games they would fail under water, and you had to depend on hand to hand combat or force ability to fight the dianogas and other sea creatures underwater. In the Phantom Menice Obi-Won drops his light saber in the swamp just after they escape the Trade Federation ship at the beginning of the movie and his light saber temperarily gets shorted out. So there is something of a case that can be made they generally don't work underwater. That's not to say perhaps Luke Skywalker or anyone else built a better design that does work underwater. In fact, building your own light saber is one of the tests of a Jedi Knight. On 12/12/10, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think light sabers do work under watter. Have you read splinter of the minds eye? IN that book there was a seen where luke used his saber under the water. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Ben, if you edit some initialization files for Audio quake, it's possible to re-enable the mouse (which was intentionally disabled for AQ) along with the usual keyboard controls. This way, instead of rotating in little 22.5 degree increments and not being able to easily look up or down, you can simply use your mouse to smoothly move your view / aim anywhere you'd like. The downside of this may be that one whom can't see may not have an easy time re-centering their view. This can cause probs when trying to then walk forward if you're looking down, as you'd essentially then be told that you are scraping against a wall. (which is really the floor) and your movement would be slowed. This also can interfere with your aim, as if you're looking upward, you may still hear someone in front of you, but not be able to hit them as you'd be shooting over them, or at the ceiling. So I added a very simple command to instantly center your view and face you north. This way if one gets confused one can fix it immediately which is really important in a game like Quake (or even moreso in Jedi Quake) which is very, very fast by comparison to any other audio games I know of. this is partially why the mouse can be such a great help in the game. One can simply flick their hand and instantly turn at least 180 degrees to catch someone sneaking up on them. Also you can get very fine precision of aim at a distance that you really can't get with the current keyboard implementation. 22.5 degrees is just too large a turn radius for very fine control, and way too small for very fast turns, but is an extremely good compromise. Anyway, I don't recall at the second how many JQ releases have the centering function but I'm thinking it's the last couple. HTH and have a lovely day!… Smiles, Cara :) On Dec 12, 2010, at 3:25 AM, Ben wrote: Exactly! You rereleased jq? Have not got that one. Whats the mouse for now -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: 12 December 2010 01:56 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Thomas; I whole-heartedly agree! -Not only has mouse support been the first input method I've set up for the current Draco projects, but when developing Jedi Quake, I'd incorporated improved accessible mouse support to the latest couple of JQ releases to not only help people break out of the keyboard-only blind access thing but also just because I personally really like smooth, graceful motion. Using a keyboard to control a realtime simulation is just so herky-jerky and coarse. If people can just stop fearing the mouse and learn to work with it, it can be a really comfortable and fast way to game. Incidentally, this is exactly the same sort of complaining and arguing people were getting into, a couple of years ago when many were fighting the idea of the iPhone / touch screens on phones both for access and gaming alike. Like the touch screen, at least for the visually impaired market, the mouse is still essentially almost an untapped resource. I.E. It will just take some creative coders to incorporate it nicely into game designs so that VI people realize that it's cool and viable and everything will change, just like it has / is doing, with the iDevices and touch screens in general. We're only limited by our own imaginations! :) If we can conceive it it can happen! So if we want new / innovative gaming / VR experiences, then we need to bring new and innovative mindsets to them. the experiences will then be new and innovative!. :) Have a great evening / weekend All and chat witcha on the flip!. Smiles, Cara :) On Dec 11, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point
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Hi, Well, not necessarily. I think this would be a case of skills of an individual person rather than weather or not all Jedi or all Sith would know hand to hand combat. Mara Jade is a special case in point as she was taken from her home at age 8 by the Emperor and trained from childhood to be a Sith assassin for the Empire. She was put through the Imperial academy, flight school, etc all skills that would enhance her later life as a Jedi for the New Republic. She would obviously have a lot of training and skills not shared by everyone at the Jedi academy, and possably why she quickly rose to the rank of Jedi master by the time of the New Jedi Order books. Also not just hand to hand skills, but it seams Jedi have special force skills too. For example, one of Mara Jade's special force abilities is a force bubble. She can surround herself with a blue bubble of force energy that deflects light sabers, blaster bolts, and has been used to hover a few feet off the ground. Not all the Jedi have the mental power or force skill to project a force bubble like Mara can.The only other Jedi in the NJO I know of who can do it is Jaina Solo, and that is only because Mara taught her the ability when Jaina was her apprentice. Cheers! On 12/12/10, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: But if Jedi are experienced in hand-to-hand combat, doesn't that theoretically mean sith would be, as well? Amd Mara definitely knows hand-to-hand combat... lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Oh ok... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Clement Chou Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:46 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth I think that depends on the author. because in the phantom menace, when Obi-wan dives into the water with his lightsaber on, it dies, reportedly. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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This is true. I wonder if you could add building your own light saber to the game I've always been fascinated with that -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi, Yeah, but there seams to be some disagreement between Star Wars sources weather or not a light saber works under water. In the Jedi Knight games they would fail under water, and you had to depend on hand to hand combat or force ability to fight the dianogas and other sea creatures underwater. In the Phantom Menice Obi-Won drops his light saber in the swamp just after they escape the Trade Federation ship at the beginning of the movie and his light saber temperarily gets shorted out. So there is something of a case that can be made they generally don't work underwater. That's not to say perhaps Luke Skywalker or anyone else built a better design that does work underwater. In fact, building your own light saber is one of the tests of a Jedi Knight. On 12/12/10, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think light sabers do work under watter. Have you read splinter of the minds eye? IN that book there was a seen where luke used his saber under the water. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Not this game. My purpose here would be to try and to recreate the original game, Mysteries of the Sith, so obviously I'd want as little end user suggestions as possible. Anything that would stray too far away from the original game would be undesirable. Its one thing to change keyboard commands for ease of use or to add access keys, and quite another to begin changing story elements, game levels, etc not knowing what the game is about. On 12/12/10, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: This is true. I wonder if you could add building your own light saber to the game I've always been fascinated with that --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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That's all very true. And I forgot about that force bubble til now... but it seems that the general principle of hand-to-hand combat is pretty widespread in the order. Every jedi I've sceen either in books or movies seems to know how to fight with their bare hands if they need it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, Didn't Yoda have a force bubble? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi, Well, not necessarily. I think this would be a case of skills of an individual person rather than weather or not all Jedi or all Sith would know hand to hand combat. Mara Jade is a special case in point as she was taken from her home at age 8 by the Emperor and trained from childhood to be a Sith assassin for the Empire. She was put through the Imperial academy, flight school, etc all skills that would enhance her later life as a Jedi for the New Republic. She would obviously have a lot of training and skills not shared by everyone at the Jedi academy, and possably why she quickly rose to the rank of Jedi master by the time of the New Jedi Order books. Also not just hand to hand skills, but it seams Jedi have special force skills too. For example, one of Mara Jade's special force abilities is a force bubble. She can surround herself with a blue bubble of force energy that deflects light sabers, blaster bolts, and has been used to hover a few feet off the ground. Not all the Jedi have the mental power or force skill to project a force bubble like Mara can.The only other Jedi in the NJO I know of who can do it is Jaina Solo, and that is only because Mara taught her the ability when Jaina was her apprentice. Cheers! On 12/12/10, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: But if Jedi are experienced in hand-to-hand combat, doesn't that theoretically mean sith would be, as well? Amd Mara definitely knows hand-to-hand combat... lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3311 - Release Date: 12/12/10 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Phil, No. Not that I'm aware of. In his battles such as the one featured in Attack of the Clones with Count Dooku and the one in Revenge of the Sith with Palpatine Yoda uses force deflect to block the force lightning attacks. This is a completely different force ability from the force bubble Mara uses from time to time in the books. Mara rarely uses the force bubble herself, because it is physically and mentally draining to perform for any length of time. For example, do you remember, I think it was, Bloodlines where Mara has to break in to Thrackan Sal-Solo's palice? The approach to the palace is heavily guarded with electronic security measures, and the only way for Mara to enter undetected is to litterally float over the sensors. However, since they also were infrared activated as well as pressure activated Mara casts a force bubble to conserve her body heat, and to keep her hovering over the ground so sshe wouldn't come into contact with the sensors directly. When she manages to get safely inside she lowers the force bubble but is physically and mentally drained from sustaining a force bubble for that length of time. The only other time I can recall Mara using a force bubble for any length of time is the time she and Jaina Solo combined their force powers to create a large force bubble to move debree away in one of the books, but at the moment I don't recall which book that was in. Cheers! On 12/12/10, Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Didn't Yoda have a force bubble? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Adding into the game would be a very interesting feature - building your own saber was a feature of a later game I believe... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: 12 December 2010 23:27 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth I don't think it would then again thats not been tested, Though I guess it may. nothing says it won't. At 11:56 a.m. 13/12/2010, you wrote: Hi, Yeah, but there seams to be some disagreement between Star Wars sources weather or not a light saber works under water. In the Jedi Knight games they would fail under water, and you had to depend on hand to hand combat or force ability to fight the dianogas and other sea creatures underwater. In the Phantom Menice Obi-Won drops his light saber in the swamp just after they escape the Trade Federation ship at the beginning of the movie and his light saber temperarily gets shorted out. So there is something of a case that can be made they generally don't work underwater. That's not to say perhaps Luke Skywalker or anyone else built a better design that does work underwater. In fact, building your own light saber is one of the tests of a Jedi Knight. On 12/12/10, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think light sabers do work under watter. Have you read splinter of the minds eye? IN that book there was a seen where luke used his saber under the water. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Could you give me some pointers as to how to edit and obtain the latest jq information and releases? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: 12 December 2010 23:44 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Ben, if you edit some initialization files for Audio quake, it's possible to re-enable the mouse (which was intentionally disabled for AQ) along with the usual keyboard controls. This way, instead of rotating in little 22.5 degree increments and not being able to easily look up or down, you can simply use your mouse to smoothly move your view / aim anywhere you'd like. The downside of this may be that one whom can't see may not have an easy time re-centering their view. This can cause probs when trying to then walk forward if you're looking down, as you'd essentially then be told that you are scraping against a wall. (which is really the floor) and your movement would be slowed. This also can interfere with your aim, as if you're looking upward, you may still hear someone in front of you, but not be able to hit them as you'd be shooting over them, or at the ceiling. So I added a very simple command to instantly center your view and face you north. This way if one gets confused one can fix it immediately which is really important in a game like Quake (or even moreso in Jedi Quake) which is very, very fast by comparison to any other audio games I know of. this is partially why the mouse can be such a great help in the game. One can simply flick their hand and instantly turn at least 180 degrees to catch someone sneaking up on them. Also you can get very fine precision of aim at a distance that you really can't get with the current keyboard implementation. 22.5 degrees is just too large a turn radius for very fine control, and way too small for very fast turns, but is an extremely good compromise. Anyway, I don't recall at the second how many JQ releases have the centering function but I'm thinking it's the last couple. HTH and have a lovely day!. Smiles, Cara :) On Dec 12, 2010, at 3:25 AM, Ben wrote: Exactly! You rereleased jq? Have not got that one. Whats the mouse for now -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: 12 December 2010 01:56 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Thomas; I whole-heartedly agree! -Not only has mouse support been the first input method I've set up for the current Draco projects, but when developing Jedi Quake, I'd incorporated improved accessible mouse support to the latest couple of JQ releases to not only help people break out of the keyboard-only blind access thing but also just because I personally really like smooth, graceful motion. Using a keyboard to control a realtime simulation is just so herky-jerky and coarse. If people can just stop fearing the mouse and learn to work with it, it can be a really comfortable and fast way to game. Incidentally, this is exactly the same sort of complaining and arguing people were getting into, a couple of years ago when many were fighting the idea of the iPhone / touch screens on phones both for access and gaming alike. Like the touch screen, at least for the visually impaired market, the mouse is still essentially almost an untapped resource. I.E. It will just take some creative coders to incorporate it nicely into game designs so that VI people realize that it's cool and viable and everything will change, just like it has / is doing, with the iDevices and touch screens in general. We're only limited by our own imaginations! :) If we can conceive it it can happen! So if we want new / innovative gaming / VR experiences, then we need to bring new and innovative mindsets to them. the experiences will then be new and innovative!. :) Have a great evening / weekend All and chat witcha on the flip!. Smiles, Cara :) On Dec 11, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can
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Hi Tom I thought of a cool idea for swinging the saber around. using the numpad keys 2 and 8 for up and down and 4 and 6 for left and right. Would this work? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Josh, Sorry, but no I can't do that. The shift keys are already mapped and asigned to things like step left/right and run forward. Keep in mind here we are talking full 3d environments so there are several more commands in these types of games than something like Shades of Doom. For Example, here is a basic list of MOTS 3d action commands and the keys I've mapped them to for the time being. Climb Down shift+control+down arrow Climb UP shift+control+up arrow Duck/Crouch d Jump Backward control+down arrow Jump Forward control+up arrow Look Down page down Look Up page up Next 90 shift+control+right arrow Previous 90 shift+control+left arrow Run Forward shift+up arrow Sidestep Left shift+left arrow sidestep right shift+right arrow Step Backward down arrow Step Forward up arrow Swim Down shift+control+down arrow Swim Up shift+control+up arrow Turn Around shift+down arrow Turn Left left arrow Turn Right right arrow As you can see these are just the basic day to day mmovement commands. There are sevral of them and I'm running out of modifier keys to actually do all this stuff. Of course, ti would help if I could disable the context menu and use the alt key in G3D which would free it up for more movement keys/actions. Cheers! On 12/10/10, Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi use left and right shift for attacks if players are gunna use the keyboard. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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NOT REALLY, SINCE LAPTOP USERS WOULD HAVE TO BUY AN EXTERNAL NUM PAD WHICH IS COMPLICATED TO FIND. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Greg Steel Sent: 11 December 2010 17:58 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Tom I thought of a cool idea for swinging the saber around. using the numpad keys 2 and 8 for up and down and 4 and 6 for left and right. Would this work? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Josh, Sorry, but no I can't do that. The shift keys are already mapped and asigned to things like step left/right and run forward. Keep in mind here we are talking full 3d environments so there are several more commands in these types of games than something like Shades of Doom. For Example, here is a basic list of MOTS 3d action commands and the keys I've mapped them to for the time being. Climb Down shift+control+down arrow Climb UP shift+control+up arrow Duck/Crouch d Jump Backward control+down arrow Jump Forward control+up arrow Look Down page down Look Up page up Next 90 shift+control+right arrow Previous 90 shift+control+left arrow Run Forward shift+up arrow Sidestep Left shift+left arrow sidestep right shift+right arrow Step Backward down arrow Step Forward up arrow Swim Down shift+control+down arrow Swim Up shift+control+up arrow Turn Around shift+down arrow Turn Left left arrow Turn Right right arrow As you can see these are just the basic day to day mmovement commands. There are sevral of them and I'm running out of modifier keys to actually do all this stuff. Of course, ti would help if I could disable the context menu and use the alt key in G3D which would free it up for more movement keys/actions. Cheers! On 12/10/10, Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi use left and right shift for attacks if players are gunna use the keyboard. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Not for Laptop users. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Greg Steel greegste...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Tom I thought of a cool idea for swinging the saber around. using the numpad keys 2 and 8 for up and down and 4 and 6 for left and right. Would this work? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Josh, Sorry, but no I can't do that. The shift keys are already mapped and asigned to things like step left/right and run forward. Keep in mind here we are talking full 3d environments so there are several more commands in these types of games than something like Shades of Doom. For Example, here is a basic list of MOTS 3d action commands and the keys I've mapped them to for the time being. Climb Down shift+control+down arrow Climb UP shift+control+up arrow Duck/Crouch d Jump Backward control+down arrow Jump Forward control+up arrow Look Down page down Look Up page up Next 90 shift+control+right arrow Previous 90 shift+control+left arrow Run Forward shift+up arrow Sidestep Left shift+left arrow sidestep right shift+right arrow Step Backward down arrow Step Forward up arrow Swim Down shift+control+down arrow Swim Up shift+control+up arrow Turn Around shift+down arrow Turn Left left arrow Turn Right right arrow As you can see these are just the basic day to day mmovement commands. There are sevral of them and I'm running out of modifier keys to actually do all this stuff. Of course, ti would help if I could disable the context menu and use the alt key in G3D which would free it up for more movement keys/actions. Cheers! On 12/10/10, Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi use left and right shift for attacks if players are gunna use the keyboard. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Well we're going to have to compromise somewhere.either get a keyboard or a mouse, is the way I see it. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:30 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Not for Laptop users. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Greg Steel greegste...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Tom I thought of a cool idea for swinging the saber around. using the numpad keys 2 and 8 for up and down and 4 and 6 for left and right. Would this work? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Josh, Sorry, but no I can't do that. The shift keys are already mapped and asigned to things like step left/right and run forward. Keep in mind here we are talking full 3d environments so there are several more commands in these types of games than something like Shades of Doom. For Example, here is a basic list of MOTS 3d action commands and the keys I've mapped them to for the time being. Climb Down shift+control+down arrow Climb UP shift+control+up arrow Duck/Crouch d Jump Backward control+down arrow Jump Forward control+up arrow Look Down page down Look Up page up Next 90 shift+control+right arrow Previous 90 shift+control+left arrow Run Forward shift+up arrow Sidestep Left shift+left arrow sidestep right shift+right arrow Step Backward down arrow Step Forward up arrow Swim Down shift+control+down arrow Swim Up shift+control+up arrow Turn Around shift+down arrow Turn Left left arrow Turn Right right arrow As you can see these are just the basic day to day mmovement commands. There are sevral of them and I'm running out of modifier keys to actually do all this stuff. Of course, ti would help if I could disable the context menu and use the alt key in G3D which would free it up for more movement keys/actions. Cheers! On 12/10/10, Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi use left and right shift for attacks if players are gunna use the keyboard. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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They are not that hard to find Check out your local stables or office depo. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 1:27 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth NOT REALLY, SINCE LAPTOP USERS WOULD HAVE TO BUY AN EXTERNAL NUM PAD WHICH IS COMPLICATED TO FIND. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Greg Steel Sent: 11 December 2010 17:58 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Tom I thought of a cool idea for swinging the saber around. using the numpad keys 2 and 8 for up and down and 4 and 6 for left and right. Would this work? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Josh, Sorry, but no I can't do that. The shift keys are already mapped and asigned to things like step left/right and run forward. Keep in mind here we are talking full 3d environments so there are several more commands in these types of games than something like Shades of Doom. For Example, here is a basic list of MOTS 3d action commands and the keys I've mapped them to for the time being. Climb Down shift+control+down arrow Climb UP shift+control+up arrow Duck/Crouch d Jump Backward control+down arrow Jump Forward control+up arrow Look Down page down Look Up page up Next 90 shift+control+right arrow Previous 90 shift+control+left arrow Run Forward shift+up arrow Sidestep Left shift+left arrow sidestep right shift+right arrow Step Backward down arrow Step Forward up arrow Swim Down shift+control+down arrow Swim Up shift+control+up arrow Turn Around shift+down arrow Turn Left left arrow Turn Right right arrow As you can see these are just the basic day to day mmovement commands. There are sevral of them and I'm running out of modifier keys to actually do all this stuff. Of course, ti would help if I could disable the context menu and use the alt key in G3D which would free it up for more movement keys/actions. Cheers! On 12/10/10, Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi use left and right shift for attacks if players are gunna use the keyboard. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5694 (20101211) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5694 (20101211) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http
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Hi, You're correct...they really aren't. Also, some laptops do come withnumpads on their keyboards. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Darren Duff Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:44 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth They are not that hard to find Check out your local stables or office depo. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 1:27 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth NOT REALLY, SINCE LAPTOP USERS WOULD HAVE TO BUY AN EXTERNAL NUM PAD WHICH IS COMPLICATED TO FIND. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Greg Steel Sent: 11 December 2010 17:58 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Tom I thought of a cool idea for swinging the saber around. using the numpad keys 2 and 8 for up and down and 4 and 6 for left and right. Would this work? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Josh, Sorry, but no I can't do that. The shift keys are already mapped and asigned to things like step left/right and run forward. Keep in mind here we are talking full 3d environments so there are several more commands in these types of games than something like Shades of Doom. For Example, here is a basic list of MOTS 3d action commands and the keys I've mapped them to for the time being. Climb Down shift+control+down arrow Climb UP shift+control+up arrow Duck/Crouch d Jump Backward control+down arrow Jump Forward control+up arrow Look Down page down Look Up page up Next 90 shift+control+right arrow Previous 90 shift+control+left arrow Run Forward shift+up arrow Sidestep Left shift+left arrow sidestep right shift+right arrow Step Backward down arrow Step Forward up arrow Swim Down shift+control+down arrow Swim Up shift+control+up arrow Turn Around shift+down arrow Turn Left left arrow Turn Right right arrow As you can see these are just the basic day to day mmovement commands. There are sevral of them and I'm running out of modifier keys to actually do all this stuff. Of course, ti would help if I could disable the context menu and use the alt key in G3D which would free it up for more movement keys/actions. Cheers! On 12/10/10, Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi use left and right shift for attacks if players are gunna use the keyboard. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5694 (20101211) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5694 (20101211) information _ This message was checked
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True. And next time I have to get a new laptop I would like to try and find one. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi, You're correct...they really aren't. Also, some laptops do come withnumpads on their keyboards. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Darren Duff Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:44 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth They are not that hard to find Check out your local stables or office depo. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 1:27 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth NOT REALLY, SINCE LAPTOP USERS WOULD HAVE TO BUY AN EXTERNAL NUM PAD WHICH IS COMPLICATED TO FIND. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Greg Steel Sent: 11 December 2010 17:58 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Tom I thought of a cool idea for swinging the saber around. using the numpad keys 2 and 8 for up and down and 4 and 6 for left and right. Would this work? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Josh, Sorry, but no I can't do that. The shift keys are already mapped and asigned to things like step left/right and run forward. Keep in mind here we are talking full 3d environments so there are several more commands in these types of games than something like Shades of Doom. For Example, here is a basic list of MOTS 3d action commands and the keys I've mapped them to for the time being. Climb Down shift+control+down arrow Climb UP shift+control+up arrow Duck/Crouch d Jump Backward control+down arrow Jump Forward control+up arrow Look Down page down Look Up page up Next 90 shift+control+right arrow Previous 90 shift+control+left arrow Run Forward shift+up arrow Sidestep Left shift+left arrow sidestep right shift+right arrow Step Backward down arrow Step Forward up arrow Swim Down shift+control+down arrow Swim Up shift+control+up arrow Turn Around shift+down arrow Turn Left left arrow Turn Right right arrow As you can see these are just the basic day to day mmovement commands. There are sevral of them and I'm running out of modifier keys to actually do all this stuff. Of course, ti would help if I could disable the context menu and use the alt key in G3D which would free it up for more movement keys/actions. Cheers! On 12/10/10, Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi use left and right shift for attacks if players are gunna use the keyboard. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail
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Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi, Well we're going to have to compromise somewhere.either get a keyboard or a mouse, is the way I see it. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:30 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Not for Laptop users. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Greg Steel greegste...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Tom I thought of a cool idea for swinging the saber around. using the numpad keys 2 and 8 for up and down and 4 and 6 for left and right. Would this work? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Josh, Sorry, but no I can't do that. The shift keys are already mapped and asigned to things like step left/right and run forward. Keep in mind here we are talking full 3d environments so there are several more commands in these types of games than something like Shades of Doom. For Example, here is a basic list of MOTS 3d action commands and the keys I've mapped them to for the time being. Climb Down shift+control+down arrow Climb UP shift+control+up arrow Duck/Crouch d Jump Backward control+down arrow Jump Forward control+up arrow Look Down page down Look Up page up Next 90 shift+control+right arrow Previous 90 shift+control+left arrow Run Forward shift+up arrow Sidestep Left shift+left arrow sidestep right shift+right arrow Step Backward down arrow Step Forward up arrow Swim Down shift+control+down arrow Swim Up shift+control+up arrow Turn Around shift+down arrow Turn Left left arrow Turn Right right arrow As you can see these are just the basic day to day mmovement commands. There are sevral of them and I'm running out of modifier keys to actually do all this stuff. Of course, ti would help if I could disable the context menu and use the alt key in G3D which would free it up for more movement keys/actions. Cheers! On 12/10/10, Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi use left and right shift for attacks if players are gunna use the keyboard. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have
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Now I think we're making things needlessly complicated. If you're a laptop user and wish to game, I'm pretty sure a cheap external keyboard wouldn't be hard to find. And I don't think we should criticize or comment on anything before we even have a chance to play the game yet. Let Tom do his job, people. Otherwise this is going to start sounding like a gamefaqs forum thread... and those usually turn out to be nothing but long strings of complaints and whining. Let's not start that here... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Clement, Yes, you can say they critecyse the laptops and stuff. I have never ever been on gamefax forms, but still, its not good to get into that line. Also guys, I am not the moderator, but isn't this laptop discussion off topic for the list? I mean, you don't have to use a laptop number pad, you could just use the normal keys. And the windows key or the function key wouldn't be good, either, because some laptops don't have a windows key if I'm correct. I reckon that control left or right arrow key is better to swing the saber with a good smack, because its much more easier. But in my honest opinion, its Thomas's choice. A good energyed smack in the face! Lol! - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Now I think we're making things needlessly complicated. If you're a laptop user and wish to game, I'm pretty sure a cheap external keyboard wouldn't be hard to find. And I don't think we should criticize or comment on anything before we even have a chance to play the game yet. Let Tom do his job, people. Otherwise this is going to start sounding like a gamefaqs forum thread... and those usually turn out to be nothing but long strings of complaints and whining. Let's not start that here... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, I actually think all laptops have those; if not I haven't see one. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Clement, Yes, you can say they critecyse the laptops and stuff. I have never ever been on gamefax forms, but still, its not good to get into that line. Also guys, I am not the moderator, but isn't this laptop discussion off topic for the list? I mean, you don't have to use a laptop number pad, you could just use the normal keys. And the windows key or the function key wouldn't be good, either, because some laptops don't have a windows key if I'm correct. I reckon that control left or right arrow key is better to swing the saber with a good smack, because its much more easier. But in my honest opinion, its Thomas's choice. A good energyed smack in the face! Lol! - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Now I think we're making things needlessly complicated. If you're a laptop user and wish to game, I'm pretty sure a cheap external keyboard wouldn't be hard to find. And I don't think we should criticize or comment on anything before we even have a chance to play the game yet. Let Tom do his job, people. Otherwise this is going to start sounding like a gamefaqs forum thread... and those usually turn out to be nothing but long strings of complaints and whining. Let's not start that here... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Greg, Yes and no. If a person is on a desktop with a full sized keyboard that's no big problem. However, if a person happens to be using a laptop with no built in keypad, like me, then it wouldn't work obviously. I'd have to plug in an extra keypad which is about $20 from Wal-mart, Staples, Best Buy, etc which still wouldn't give me the range of movement and complexity of a mouse. If I'm going to pay that money for a numeric keypad for playing a game why not pay for a really good external optical mouse that is much more flexable? As I briefly mentioned to Muhammed a moment ago its much more than just moving left, right, up, and down we are talking about here. A device like a mouse can allow you to perform more complex fighting moves like spinning a saber in a circle, then quickly reversing that circle, doing a diagnle slash, and other things like that. You simply can not, will not, and never will be able to get that kind of complex fighting style out of a keyboard. Keyboards are limited in lots of ways, and why most serious gamers prefer alternative devices like mice and joysticks because you can do more with them. Let's take a joystick for example. I happen to have a Philips 2909 game pad sitting here. What's nice about this device is it has a POV hat that allows you to look left, right, up, down etc. It also has two thumb sticks which allows you a wide range of movements. In this case I could program the left thumb stick to turn, walk foward/backward, and use the right thumb stick to move the saber around at the same time. Since a thumb stick can be in any position in a 360 degree angle you can ttheoretically control the/position of the light saber in relation to your body. If you want the blade to be high-left move the thumb stick to -45 degrees. Want it to high-right move it to 45 degrees. You can't do that on a keyboard without asigning extra keys to do essentially what a joystick/mouse already naturally can do by default. Smile. On 12/11/10, Greg Steel greegste...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi Tom I thought of a cool idea for swinging the saber around. using the numpad keys 2 and 8 for up and down and 4 and 6 for left and right. Would this work? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Thank you Tom for saying what's been on my mind for the last little while. Why complain about something that is obviously only going to help us grow as a gaming community? Half the mainstream games for PC these days are based around mouse control, anyway.. including fps games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Thomas; I whole-heartedly agree! -Not only has mouse support been the first input method I've set up for the current Draco projects, but when developing Jedi Quake, I'd incorporated improved accessible mouse support to the latest couple of JQ releases to not only help people break out of the keyboard-only blind access thing but also just because I personally really like smooth, graceful motion. Using a keyboard to control a realtime simulation is just so herky-jerky and coarse. If people can just stop fearing the mouse and learn to work with it, it can be a really comfortable and fast way to game. Incidentally, this is exactly the same sort of complaining and arguing people were getting into, a couple of years ago when many were fighting the idea of the iPhone / touch screens on phones both for access and gaming alike. Like the touch screen, at least for the visually impaired market, the mouse is still essentially almost an untapped resource. I.E. It will just take some creative coders to incorporate it nicely into game designs so that VI people realize that it's cool and viable and everything will change, just like it has / is doing, with the iDevices and touch screens in general. We're only limited by our own imaginations! :) If we can conceive it it can happen! So if we want new / innovative gaming / VR experiences, then we need to bring new and innovative mindsets to them. the experiences will then be new and innovative!… :) Have a great evening / weekend All and chat witcha on the flip!… Smiles, Cara :) On Dec 11, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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What about using the mouse for movement? This would give you mouse buttons as well as well as the mosue movement itself. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:57 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Josh, Sorry, but no I can't do that. The shift keys are already mapped and asigned to things like step left/right and run forward. Keep in mind here we are talking full 3d environments so there are several more commands in these types of games than something like Shades of Doom. For Example, here is a basic list of MOTS 3d action commands and the keys I've mapped them to for the time being. Climb Down shift+control+down arrow Climb UP shift+control+up arrow Duck/Crouch d Jump Backward control+down arrow Jump Forward control+up arrow Look Down page down Look Up page up Next 90 shift+control+right arrow Previous 90 shift+control+left arrow Run Forward shift+up arrow Sidestep Left shift+left arrow sidestep right shift+right arrow Step Backward down arrow Step Forward up arrow Swim Down shift+control+down arrow Swim Up shift+control+up arrow Turn Around shift+down arrow Turn Left left arrow Turn Right right arrow As you can see these are just the basic day to day mmovement commands. There are sevral of them and I'm running out of modifier keys to actually do all this stuff. Of course, ti would help if I could disable the context menu and use the alt key in G3D which would free it up for more movement keys/actions. Cheers! On 12/10/10, Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi use left and right shift for attacks if players are gunna use the keyboard. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I have railracer and used the mouse for that. I still have it though now you need to buy the code again I don't know if I will actually bother. I am sertainly not playing it anymore. I don't have the space to run a mouse really but I have none for a sticke neither. At 02:23 p.m. 12/12/2010, you wrote: Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I have a laptop but I have an external desktop board so I don't wear out the internal during gaming. At 02:46 p.m. 12/12/2010, you wrote: Hi Greg, Yes and no. If a person is on a desktop with a full sized keyboard that's no big problem. However, if a person happens to be using a laptop with no built in keypad, like me, then it wouldn't work obviously. I'd have to plug in an extra keypad which is about $20 from Wal-mart, Staples, Best Buy, etc which still wouldn't give me the range of movement and complexity of a mouse. If I'm going to pay that money for a numeric keypad for playing a game why not pay for a really good external optical mouse that is much more flexable? As I briefly mentioned to Muhammed a moment ago its much more than just moving left, right, up, and down we are talking about here. A device like a mouse can allow you to perform more complex fighting moves like spinning a saber in a circle, then quickly reversing that circle, doing a diagnle slash, and other things like that. You simply can not, will not, and never will be able to get that kind of complex fighting style out of a keyboard. Keyboards are limited in lots of ways, and why most serious gamers prefer alternative devices like mice and joysticks because you can do more with them. Let's take a joystick for example. I happen to have a Philips 2909 game pad sitting here. What's nice about this device is it has a POV hat that allows you to look left, right, up, down etc. It also has two thumb sticks which allows you a wide range of movements. In this case I could program the left thumb stick to turn, walk foward/backward, and use the right thumb stick to move the saber around at the same time. Since a thumb stick can be in any position in a 360 degree angle you can ttheoretically control the/position of the light saber in relation to your body. If you want the blade to be high-left move the thumb stick to -45 degrees. Want it to high-right move it to 45 degrees. You can't do that on a keyboard without asigning extra keys to do essentially what a joystick/mouse already naturally can do by default. Smile. On 12/11/10, Greg Steel greegste...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi Tom I thought of a cool idea for swinging the saber around. using the numpad keys 2 and 8 for up and down and 4 and 6 for left and right. Would this work? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Cara, Couldn't agree with you more. The mouse is so much smoother, graceful, and precise in real time simulations that I find it hard to believe that many VI gamers outright refuse to try one let alone except the fact keyboards are just not that good as a gaming device when it comes to this type of game. There are times when a different and more specific gaming device becomes an important part of a gamers accessories. For example, a couple of years ago I got Rail Racer from Blind Adrenaline. Now, anyone who has played that game knows trying to get good lap times etc with a keyboard is next to impossible. You just can't take the turns quite right or lean properly because the keyboard is to slow and clunky to put a not too fine point on it. However, not long after I got RR I got a USB Logitec racing wheel. The minute I hooked that baby up, started RR, I shaved 5 seconds off my lap times just in the first try. After a little practice I shaved more than two seconds off that lap time etc. The fact was that a racing wheel ggave me more control over the racer and could do precision turns and lean properly in that particular game. Therefore the racing wheel became a necessary investment in order to improve my over all performance with the game.Had Che followed the advice or complaints of the anti-joystick and anti-mouse group the game wouldn't been half as challenging or enjoyable because I'd have to contend with a clunky input device that simply can not and will not give precision turns and leans like that. Once again, we are facing just that kind of fundimental issue. I don't know if it is the fact many blind gamers are afraid of using a mouse or joystick because of possible access issues, or they just don't like the idea of spending money to obtain a new input device. Perhaps it could be a combonation of both. Whatever the reason they need to realise their stubern resistance to change is holding them and us as a group back from experiencing more complex gaming and more natural human interfaces that translate real world concepts like sword fighting into practical and realistic gaming moves. Smile. On 12/11/10, Cara Quinn caraqu...@draconisentertainment.com wrote: Thomas; I whole-heartedly agree! -Not only has mouse support been the first input method I've set up for the current Draco projects, but when developing Jedi Quake, I'd incorporated improved accessible mouse support to the latest couple of JQ releases to not only help people break out of the keyboard-only blind access thing but also just because I personally really like smooth, graceful motion. Using a keyboard to control a realtime simulation is just so herky-jerky and coarse. If people can just stop fearing the mouse and learn to work with it, it can be a really comfortable and fast way to game. Incidentally, this is exactly the same sort of complaining and arguing people were getting into, a couple of years ago when many were fighting the idea of the iPhone / touch screens on phones both for access and gaming alike. Like the touch screen, at least for the visually impaired market, the mouse is still essentially almost an untapped resource. I.E. It will just take some creative coders to incorporate it nicely into game designs so that VI people realize that it's cool and viable and everything will change, just like it has / is doing, with the iDevices and touch screens in general. We're only limited by our own imaginations! :) If we can conceive it it can happen! So if we want new / innovative gaming / VR experiences, then we need to bring new and innovative mindsets to them. the experiences will then be new and innovative!… :) Have a great evening / weekend All and chat witcha on the flip!… Smiles, Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Well, sorry to say that's your loss. The fact you don't have or don't make room for another input device still doesn't mean a game developer can't make another input device as a primary controller. The way I see it if you really want to play that game bad enough you'll make the room. Your not having room for a mouse or joystick is no excuse to use a keyboard which is clunky, slow, and ill equipped for complex gaming. Smile. On 12/11/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I have railracer and used the mouse for that. I still have it though now you need to buy the code again I don't know if I will actually bother. I am sertainly not playing it anymore. I don't have the space to run a mouse really but I have none for a sticke neither. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Clement, Oh, I know. Isn't it amazing how resistant this comunity is to new ideas/concepts? I mean on one hand developers have been hearing this common thread that more VI gamers want to play mainstream games or games similar to the mainstream. They want something right up their with the latest titles for XBox, Play Station, and PC. However, the second they try to do so by adding a device like the mouse into the mix to add some of the features of mainstream games we come up against this rock solid resistance that says in effect, we want to use the keyboard and just make the mouse or joystick optional. Sorry, to tell those people sometimes that is simply not realistic. The keyboard is very limited in what it can do, and the reason we are seeing advanced conttrollers like the Wii-Motes, for example, is because they are not only more natural they allow you to do so much more than a keyboard could ever do on a good day. So the question is do these people really and truly want games equal to the mainstream games or do they want to sit back and play games like Uno, Monopoly, and BopIt the rest of their lives? These people need to realise if they want mainstream games then they are going to have to change and adapt to the way sighted people do things. At least to some degree. Their resistance to joysticks, mice, etc is only holding them back from experiencing new concepts and ideas that will improve their gaming experience not hinder it. Obviously, if I couldn't use a mouse in games I wouldn't bother supporting one, but that isn't the case at all. Cheers! On 12/11/10, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Tom for saying what's been on my mind for the last little while. Why complain about something that is obviously only going to help us grow as a gaming community? Half the mainstream games for PC these days are based around mouse control, anyway.. including fps games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Just look at the latest Little big Planet DLC. it requires the PS Move or, in the case of 360, the kinect or however you spell it. A friend downloaded it, didn't have a move, so unfortunately can't play it. Yet, it's there on his system, just waiting for the day he get's one. Orin orin8...@gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On Dec 11, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Clement, Oh, I know. Isn't it amazing how resistant this comunity is to new ideas/concepts? I mean on one hand developers have been hearing this common thread that more VI gamers want to play mainstream games or games similar to the mainstream. They want something right up their with the latest titles for XBox, Play Station, and PC. However, the second they try to do so by adding a device like the mouse into the mix to add some of the features of mainstream games we come up against this rock solid resistance that says in effect, we want to use the keyboard and just make the mouse or joystick optional. Sorry, to tell those people sometimes that is simply not realistic. The keyboard is very limited in what it can do, and the reason we are seeing advanced conttrollers like the Wii-Motes, for example, is because they are not only more natural they allow you to do so much more than a keyboard could ever do on a good day. So the question is do these people really and truly want games equal to the mainstream games or do they want to sit back and play games like Uno, Monopoly, and BopIt the rest of their lives? These people need to realise if they want mainstream games then they are going to have to change and adapt to the way sighted people do things. At least to some degree. Their resistance to joysticks, mice, etc is only holding them back from experiencing new concepts and ideas that will improve their gaming experience not hinder it. Obviously, if I couldn't use a mouse in games I wouldn't bother supporting one, but that isn't the case at all. Cheers! On 12/11/10, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Tom for saying what's been on my mind for the last little while. Why complain about something that is obviously only going to help us grow as a gaming community? Half the mainstream games for PC these days are based around mouse control, anyway.. including fps games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Yeah, and the cost of a PS Move or Microsoft Kinect device is far more expensive than a $15.00 generic USB mouse or a $19.00 game controller like the Philips 2909. So I'd say VI gamers have it easy. Smile. On 12/11/10, Orin orin8...@gmail.com wrote: Just look at the latest Little big Planet DLC. it requires the PS Move or, in the case of 360, the kinect or however you spell it. A friend downloaded it, didn't have a move, so unfortunately can't play it. Yet, it's there on his system, just waiting for the day he get's one. Orin orin8...@gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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My whole-hearted agreement, once again. I consider myself more a controller type, though that may be due to the fact that I play almost exclusively fighting games... but it's not that I'm unwilling to give things like the wii mote, playstation eye, etc... isn't because I don't like the idea. But for a fighting game like street fighter, marvel vs. capcom, often times moves have to be done with such precision that at this point there is no way that motion controllers can be that precise and accurate with timing that is often just a few frames apart, in games that run mostly at a smooth 60 at least frames per second. I think, like the touch-screen, it's people saying that they want to stick with what they know. While I'm not a big fan of touch-screens, I'll use them if I have to, and I'm not opposed to the idea. But I do agree... it's amazingly ironic that people want the games we see on modern consoles, yet the moment devs try to implement a feature of console gaming into an accessible game the indignity is so great it's almost funny. And to all those who wonder why I spend the majority of my time with fighting games... it isn't because I don't like other genres of fighting. Rock band, some sports games, and various others form a big part of my collection, I just think that fighting games are somewhat underrated these days... a lot of people pick it up and don't realize just how much depth there is in a good solid fighting game like Street Fighter 4 or Tekken 6. But that's for another topic. And I also agree with what Tom said... if you want to play a game that bad, chances are you'll make adjustments for it. Rock band is a fine example. The room needed for equipment, especially the drums, can be a hastle, but I love the game to bits... and move things aside for my RB drums all the time. lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
true I have just enough for the mouse At 03:52 p.m. 12/12/2010, you wrote: Hi, Well, sorry to say that's your loss. The fact you don't have or don't make room for another input device still doesn't mean a game developer can't make another input device as a primary controller. The way I see it if you really want to play that game bad enough you'll make the room. Your not having room for a mouse or joystick is no excuse to use a keyboard which is clunky, slow, and ill equipped for complex gaming. Smile. On 12/11/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I have railracer and used the mouse for that. I still have it though now you need to buy the code again I don't know if I will actually bother. I am sertainly not playing it anymore. I don't have the space to run a mouse really but I have none for a sticke neither. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi, Just press the key? I don't really like that. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:31 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi use left and right shift for attacks if players are gunna use the keyboard. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi Josh, Sorry, but no I can't do that. The shift keys are already mapped and asigned to things like step left/right and run forward. Keep in mind here we are talking full 3d environments so there are several more commands in these types of games than something like Shades of Doom. For Example, here is a basic list of MOTS 3d action commands and the keys I've mapped them to for the time being. Climb Down shift+control+down arrow Climb UP shift+control+up arrow Duck/Crouch d Jump Backward control+down arrow Jump Forward control+up arrow Look Down page down Look Up page up Next 90 shift+control+right arrow Previous 90 shift+control+left arrow Run Forward shift+up arrow Sidestep Left shift+left arrow sidestep right shift+right arrow Step Backward down arrow Step Forward up arrow Swim Down shift+control+down arrow Swim Up shift+control+up arrow Turn Around shift+down arrow Turn Left left arrow Turn Right right arrow As you can see these are just the basic day to day mmovement commands. There are sevral of them and I'm running out of modifier keys to actually do all this stuff. Of course, ti would help if I could disable the context menu and use the alt key in G3D which would free it up for more movement keys/actions. Cheers! On 12/10/10, Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi use left and right shift for attacks if players are gunna use the keyboard. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
