Agreed.
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From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mon
Hi Charles,
Agreed, but the point was the fastest game possible. Not necessarily
the smartest decisions when playing or what would be a good over all
strategy for a typical Monopoly game. The only goal being put forth by
the people in the article was seeing how fast they could finish a
Monopoly ga
Hi Dark,
Yes, Boardwalk and Park Place are the dark blue squares. Boardwalk is
right next to go and is the most expensive property on the board.
Cheers!
On 8/13/14, dark wrote:
> Lol, the amusing point is player 2 can't even get out of that scenario, if
> the fates decide that way he's dooomed
t 13, 2014 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] monopoly in 21 seconds
But being smart about your playing wasn't the idea behind this game; its
the *fastest* not smartest way to win that's being put forward.
- Original Message -
From: "Charles Rivard" I find this not very likel
But being smart about your playing wasn't the idea behind this game; its the
*fastest* not smartest way to win that's being put forward.
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From: "Charles Rivard" http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/06/how_to_win_monopoly_in_21_seco.html
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I find this not very likely. Here's why: When player 1 landed on Illinois
Avenue, it should have been bought. Not only is it the most expensive of
that group, but there is a card that tells a player to go directly to it.
This increases the odds of it being landed on. Then, Player 2: Roll: 5-
Lol, the amusing point is player 2 can't even get out of that scenario, if
the fates decide that way he's dooomed!
Of course, equally player one would be taking a damnable risk using such a
big chunk of her money that early in the game.
I assume "board walk" is the square I know in the British
Hi Shaun,
thanks for sharing this. Definitely quite interesting. The odds of
this ever happening in someone's life time are slim to none, but its
nice to know the game can be played and won so quickly if lady luck
happens to shine on the player at just the right time.
Cheers!
On 8/13/14, shaun
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- Original Message - From: "Jim Kitchen"
To: "Steve Cullen"
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Freezing up
Hi Steve,
I
So your game went to the dogs??
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- Original Message -
From: "Jim Kitchen"
To: "Steve Cullen"
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Audys
Hi Steve,
I'm sorry to hear that my Monopoly game is freezing up. It is not doing that
here. I am not sure what to say. But I did just happen to play a game against
the computer last night. It did not go well for me.
Jim player number 1. on North Carolina Avenue. Select
Roll Dice
You
done using their ears.
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To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical
questionsreg
Fair enough Tom.
I admit while I've briefly played a couple of the Wii sports games it's not
something I've done as frequently or know as much about as I do beatemups so
my assessment on the complexities of picking the thing up and playing
without sight might be off.
Beware the Grue!
Ark.
Well Darren, for sighted users beatemups don't have a complex interface in
terms of understanding what is going on. The problem tends to come in terms
of multiple block types, innumerable moves some of which counter others,
super moves, earning some bonuses from how you play that give you other
Hi Shaun:
Interesting. That sounds like it was real fun. I haven't had anything
like that lately either.
However, it goes back to what I said earlier on the list. It all
depends on the people you know and hang with. Some people really love
board games, others are into video games, and some don't
Hi Dark:
Exactly. Although, Wii Sports is arguable. I have played Wii Sports
with little difficulty so that game at least is arguably more
accessible than most games, but I take your point about most pick up
and play games are non-staarters if you are blind.
On 12/10/13, dark wrote:
> Hi Tom.
>
ers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark
> Sent: 10 December 2013 13:32
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions
> reguarding the Monopoly game
>
> Hi Tom.
>
> that is unfortunately tru
uld be the game
itself not the interface.
-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark
Sent: 10 December 2013 13:32
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions
reguarding the Monopoly game
H
Hi Tom.
that is unfortunately true, though one interesting fact in beatemup terms is
that for everyone the casual beatemup is sort of a thing of the past. After
all when I was growing up it was quite possible to walk into an arcade or a
friends house and pick up something like mortal combat, s
Well speaking of memmories tom, I was on holiday about 4 years back
with several friends.
At nights we would have monopoly tourniments lasting the entire holiday.
Games would go from 6 till midnight and beyond.
One day we got oup late due to one of such games having meals at
weird times only t
Hi Dark,
Well, you are absolutely right it all depends on the group in question
and the game at hand. I have never had the fortune of meeting anyone
in my area would sit down with me and play a game of Jim Kitchen's
Life or Monopoly, but I have been able to find some people who will
sit down and p
Well mar-dy have not been forthcoming with codes as of late but on a
more serious issue, though the game does run on my win7 machine in
admin mode I do get errors with html modules and game does not run right.
I wish I knew before I spent the cash on it.
At 03:47 AM 12/5/2013, you wrote:
One c
.
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From: "dark"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical
questionsreguarding the Monopoly gam
Hi tom.
while I agree that card and board games do have value as games to play with
others, at the same time computer games can have a similar feeling provided
you have a group of like minded individuals together and provided the game
is one that several people can have fun with rather than sa
Hi Charles:
I had a similar experience growing up. For many years my mom, some
family friends, and I would have game nights every Friday or Saturday
night where we would play one card or board game well into the night.
Especially during the winter when it was too cold to do anything
outside. We pl
Hi Curt,
One time I was on the phone and a friend used a rather long wav file for his
token. It worked just fine. Each turn took forever, but it worked. So as far
as I know there is no size limit for the token sound files. They do need to be
standard wav files though. You know, no mp3, og
Hi Folks,
Ever since Jim created his Monopoly game I've wanted to play with different
token sounds rather than the original walking sound.
Old timers will recognize some of them from my PCS Monopoly game for DOS.
The game gives you this text list and you hit enter to try the sound, which
plays
Hi Thomas,
Thank you very much for the information. I really never looked into it, but
was wondering. Thanks.
BFN
- Original Message -
Hi Jim,
No, it wouldn't. Older versions of Jaws worked differently than
current versions of Jaws. As of Jaws 8.0, I believe it was, Freedom
Scientif
Hi Phil,
I can only use standard wav files. That is all that DirectX 8.1 can play.
With a 0.175 time limit we are not going to get much of a train, dog, car or
whatever sound are we?
Thanks
BFN
- Original Message -
Hi Jim,
That Monopoly game was released in 1996, and sound modifying
Hi Rishi,
Thank you very much. I will keep your offer in mind.
BFN
- Original Message -
Also jim, If you want, I can help with all the sounds as well for your games
free of charge since your games are free of charge for the blind.
Rishi D Mack
Skype: zmackrishi
Email: cg...@live.com
F
Hi Thomas,
That is very cool that Quentin has written a rapper to the screen readers and
sapi5. What I was actually wondering was, if I use that rapper, or write my
own code, would it work with all versions of Jaws, all versions of Window Eyes,
all versions of Hal etc. Really just wondering
...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:33 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9
Hi Jim,
That Monopoly game was released in 1996, and sound modifying was not what it
is today with pitch shifting and compression of sounds.
I would be
Message -
From: "Jim Kitchen"
To: "Phil Vlasak"
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9
Hi Phil,
Cool, I'm glad to hear that you now have my monopoly game working
correctly. Thanks for letting me know.
I will think abou
Hi Phil,
Cool, I'm glad to hear that you now have my monopoly game working correctly.
Thanks for letting me know.
I will think about it, but I remember that when your monopoly game had a sound
for each of the tokens it took a long time for some of the tokens to move.
That is why I just went
Hi Rishi,
No, sorry, but my text to speech games all only use the sapi5 text to speech
engine. When I started writing the games I had no idea how to write directly
to Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal or NVDA. So I just went with the sapi5 speech engine
to make the games self voicing. Well actually NV
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9
Well sapi is fine but it can be general crap if you don't have a
highquality voice.
Ofcause that may not be in your budjet to get one.
The only reason I have a high quality realspeak is that a friend
gave me his jaws8 8 cd he didn't want.
El
D Mack
Skype: zmackrishi
Email: cg...@live.com
Feel free to contact me anytime :)
-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 1:13 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9
H
om: "rishi mack"
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'"
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9
I don't mean to be rude or bash sapi. but I don't like it that much. so
that's why I ask if it can be worked
lto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 1:13 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9
Hello Rishi,
All of Jim's games output spoken feedback using Microsoft Sapi so you
don't need Jaws or any other scree
Hi Jim,
The only thing I can come up with to account for this behavior would
be Microsoft User Account Control. Beginning with Vista onwards
Microsoft has changed the security restrictions on certain directories
such as C:\Program Files and while the option to explore directories
still exists it m
Hello Rishi,
All of Jim's games output spoken feedback using Microsoft Sapi so you
don't need Jaws or any other screen reader to play.
Cheers!
On 12/2/12, rishi mack wrote:
> Hi, can this also work with jaws? if so what do I need.
>
> Rishi D Mack
> Skype: zmackrishi
> Email: cg...@live.com
>
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly version 9
Hi Jim,
I just played your Monopoly game for the first time in a long time.
I remember you saying that you had to remove the list of boards from the
game but I thought you planned to add that feature in a future version.
As your board
ne as token1 you could then replace the
battleship sound with that of a jet plane sound.
You could still keep the MonopolyToken0.wav as the current walking sound.
Phil
- Original Message -
From: "Jim Kitchen"
To: "Phil Vlasak"
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:59
Hi Phil,
I don't know, I put monopoly version 9 out in December of 2008. It did then
and still does list and allow me to choose the board to play. Maybe some new
setting in Windows does not allow a program to explore the folder, or maybe you
held the enter key down too long and chose the def
Hi Jim,
I just played your Monopoly game for the first time in a long time.
I remember you saying that you had to remove the list of boards from the
game but I thought you planned to add that feature in a future version.
As your board file maker brings up the list, why doesn't the game itself?
I
;dark"
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Hi Tom.
that's bad news in my book. I'm afraid I strongly disagree on your
statement of a blind user "getting used to the way sighted users do things
for pu
Ok and how about MAC OS?
Now you told us how you think about Windows and Linux.
But where is MAC OS placed in this "picture"?
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I have another question.
If TTS is good for us and other business people who want to get something
read to them, why can't I buy loquendo voices in an online store (regardless
of the price), or several other voices like the Scansoft products?
OK, nextup.com offers Scansoft voices for TextAloud a
This might be the case, but why should be the new interface be better than
the old one?
I have seen a lot of XP computers where sighted people were working at a
time before Windows 7 and not everyone of said sighted persons found the new
start menu of XP better than the old one.
I also heard sev
Hi Denis.
that makes distinct economic sense, however remember when we're dealing with
disability we've gone beyond the realms of economics. As Tom said earlier,
thanks to Us law, access has to be a component in governmental systems.
So long as you have a belief that there is a principle tha
Dark,
While "equal effort" access might be a laudable ideal goal, don't
forget that all companies are subject to economies of scale, and that
blind users are a very small percentage. It's going to cost less per
user to focus on the 99% non-blind users than the 1% blind, and
there's pretty much no
Hi Tom.
that's bad news in my book. I'm afraid I strongly disagree on your statement
of a blind user "getting used to the way sighted users do things for purpose
of accessibility" simply on the basis of the deffinition of access.
It would be possible for a paraplegic to get out of his/her whe
Hi Dark,
Lol! Sorry, so far no dice. The copy of the consumer beta of Windows 8 I
have here does not let you customize the interface too much. Right now
what you see is what you get.
Its kind of funny but if you listen to the GW Micro podcast of Windows 8
and Window-Eyes someone in the audi
Hi Dark,
Grin. I think you hit the nail on the head so to speak. Your friend and
I are quite a lot alike because that's actually one of the reasons why I
became interested in programming. I get a satisfaction from being given
a task, and then trying to create that piece of software from scrat
Hi Tom.
Interesting about section 5.08. As I've said before disabled access is
always something I think the us government, along with other countries
like Scandinavia and the netherlands does far better than the Uk, sinse I've
found nothing about software access in any of the British acts
I aggree tom.
On that note and before this topic gets old as it will do sooner or
later, and going completely off topic for a second, I have a rather
largeish concern with the metro system.
gwmicro was doing a podcast on windoweyes on win8 and it looked like
one of the most unwieldy interfaces
Hi Michael,
Well, one of the major reasons why Windows comes with Narrator, Mac OS
with Voiceover, and Linux with Orca has to do with Section 508. In 2001
the U.S. American Disabilities Act, ADA, was amended so that all
software purchased by or used by the U.S. government had to meet certain
Hi Thomas,
I have a question.
I also read a test report for the latest version of Windows 8. It was made
by a sighted user and he called the new desktop and start menu "Metro".
Windows 8 apparently has two versions of Internet Explorer and Metro has its
own app store like Apple has.
But I also r
Hi Shaun,
Well, I agree that something like UI Automation is way over do, but it
doesn't do any good to spend time on should've, could've, or would'ive
because the fact of the matter is the technology is here now and we
should be glad its coming. Plus you must remember that these are
differe
mers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
>
> Hi Dark,
>
> Well, yes and no. Certainly I think UI Automation, the improved Sapi
> voices, improved speech recognition in the Windows 8 consumor beta are
> good things
ot;
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Hi Dark,
Well, yes and no. Certainly I think UI Automation, the improved Sapi
voices, improved speech recognition in the Windows 8 consumor beta are
good things However, the
Hi michael.
firstly some stats and corrections.
for your information while Usa games, gma, bsc, draconis, blind adrenalin
and 7-128 are located in the usa, blastbay is based in sweedan, as was the
old terraformers project, Vip gameszone is based in israil, audiogames.net
is run from the nethe
Hi Dark,
Well, yes and no. Certainly I think UI Automation, the improved Sapi
voices, improved speech recognition in the Windows 8 consumor beta are
good things However, the new user interface is so radically different
from XP, Vista, Windows 7, etc that a lot of blind Windows users,
especia
Hi Tom.
this makes perfect sense, and indeed is also the reason why I have never
investigated mac or lynux in further detail, simply because, while I know
there are probably technical advantages to either os, those advantages don't
matter a bit to me if they won't help me do what I do, part of
Ok, let's think about this the other way around:
Then if it is not in the companies interest to make DVD players or other
devices accessible due to financial reasons, why does Windows have Narrator
and Mac got VoiceOver included into the operating systems?
If it is (theoretically) not a good ide
Hi Michael,
Its really quite simple. Attempting to support more than one platform or
technology requires lots of time, money, and isn't easy to do. Even
though languages and technologies such as Java and Python have been
developed to help aid in cross-platform development there is no one size
I think there will always be a space for a desk computer, or at least
a computer on a desk, or a portable laptop type of system with full
keyboard of some description.
Maybe the desktop will be on the wall and most of our stuff will be
touch or voice like startrek but even in startrek they had d
well it looks at least from the gwmicro win8 podcast that ms is
intigrating all this internally for screen readers which in my view
should have done already!!
Msaa was ok but it only did ms spaciffic controls as far as I understand it.
Sapi was speech, intercepters were needed so the readers cou
Hi Dark,
Smile. Well, that's true enough. We do come at this entire issue from
different perspectives,and makes sense when we look at the reasons why
or how we use our computers.
You tend to look at this situation strictly as a consumer, an end user,
who only cares about playing his movies,
Hi Michael,
Yes, to develop games and apps for iOS devices you need a Mac with
XCode and the iOS SDK. That's why its so hard to develop for iOS
because its closed to non-Apple users and developers.
As far as the PS 3 its actually built using a modified Linux
distribution. Thit uses a Linux kernel
Hi Dark,
I am not familiar with MAC OS or IOS.
But what I last heard was that you need to run MAC OS to compile IOS apps.
I am not sure if that's still the case, but that was what I last heard.
And the question about operating system access is not only about blind
users.
Somewhere I once read th
ther less than generous decisions), but I'm not sure
on that one.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Gauler"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
If the desktop computer
If the desktop computer is not the all in one package, why do I hear people
saying that the IPhone or other mobile devices are the all in one package,
when it is obviously not true?
And, if consoles like the play station 3 are running their own operating
system with internet access and such, the
What I never got was the reason why screen readers had to use all the stuff
like video intercept and got so little result in using it.
If I can clone my graphics card virtually and the screen reader is
controlling the clone, then why does a screen reader need external OCR to
handle letters?
More
Hi tom.
That makes sense, and if the choice was vista vs 7 i'd probably agree,
however for me it's the compatibility issue that is the thing.
For instance, While I've tried both windows live mail, microsoft outlook and
thunderbird, nothing I thought was as good as outlook express.
yes, they
Hi Dark,
Sure. Again, it comes down to personal preference. Sometimes the
benefits to upgrading aren't always that obvious or seem all that
important at the time.
For example, when Windows 7 came out I really wondered myself if I
should invest in the upgrade. After all, I had a Compaq that
: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Hi Dark,
Alright, but here is where your argument actually falls apart. If you want
to talk about access on Windows 8 I can say access has actually impr
her than a laptop.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Hi Dark,
Well, like I've said before there isn't much use in upgrad
Hi Dark,
Alright, but here is where your argument actually falls apart. If you
want to talk about access on Windows 8 I can say access has actually
improved. There are a number of areas where access has actually
increased and not decreased in Windows, and is well worth noting.
First, UI aut
Hi Michael,
Simple. by adopting a universal interface, universal look and feel, a
developer will reduce complexity and the time it takes to learn the
software. The Basic principle behind the new user interfaces is that if
a customer learns an interface and a developer of a different product
Hi Michael,
Actually, we are very close to the full voice input and voice output
type system you are talking about. For the last few Windows versions
Microsoft has included speech recognition software as well as the
Narrator screen reader. From what I've seen of the Windows 8 versions
Narrat
Hi Shaun,
Hard to say, but the audio games industry will probably have to change
just like everything else. I can't say when, but the way hand-held
devices like the iPhones and Droid phones are selling we could do well,
as audio gamers, to think about targeting those devices as more and more
Hi Shaun,
That's correct. Windows 8 now uses UI Automation which has drastically
improved accessibility and has pretty much done away with the video
intercept drivers we've seen on prior versions of Windows. So access is
actually improving under Windows 8 not getting less accessible.
Cheers
Hi Dennis,
right. I think what is hard for people who are not in business, who are
not programmers, etc to understand is that older products like XP are no
longer making Microsoft money. They released it in 2001 and was selling
it up until 2010 or so. After a certain point they sold as many c
Hi Trouble,
Well, I've already seen some touchscreen displays. They are not
available for your average e-machine PCs, but if you look at some of the
higher end stuff $800 to $1,000 or better you'll see things like
touchscreen displays which is the next generation input device. Some of
the lo
t not his spirit...'
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From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Hi Dark,
Well, like I've said before there isn't much use in upgrading if it
doesn
Hi Dark,
Well, like I've said before there isn't much use in upgrading if it
doesn't offer anything new for you personally. However, I am someone who
likes to be on the bleeding edge, try new things, and I've always
enjoyed staying up to date when and where possible. So that's largely
where
est coorporation which is paying most of it's manual workers in
china and tyland a pittance.
Beware the grue!
dark.
- Original Message -
From: "Dennis Towne"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mono
That is coming, but for now they want to suck all the money out of
the public they can.
At 07:55 PM 3/13/2012, you wrote:
All of this might be true...
But I have several questions.
If mobile devices and new technologies are created and let's say
touchscreens are so great, why not take it up an
The more its alike the less sighted mousers have to learn. Learn one
system and you know them all.
At 07:59 PM 3/13/2012, you wrote:
And wwhere are the still existing computer or netbook and laptop
users whoose hardware doesn't have touchscreen capabilities?
Do they think at all?
Surely, andro
lot of us will be left in
the cold if the big companies get their way. Or should I say when
they get their way.
Amanda
-Original Message- From: dark
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:41 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Yep, once again why can't
And wwhere are the still existing computer or netbook and laptop users
whoose hardware doesn't have touchscreen capabilities?
Do they think at all?
Surely, android might look nice, but what is more important, the look or the
functionality?
And who exactly thinks that the visual design of Androi
All of this might be true...
But I have several questions.
If mobile devices and new technologies are created and let's say
touchscreens are so great, why not take it up another level and finally
create a computer system like the fictional LCARS from Star Trek, where you
have instant access to
Well tom I aggree with you, except for one ms has shown they don't or
won't want to put accessability in a phone.
If what you say is true, then in a few years or so we will all run
android os on our pcs and I look foreward to that day!!
Windows touch will not be as accessable as other tablet oses
there are at least a couple of pluses there albeit
small ones.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
- Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Hi Dark,
Yes, unfortunately a
nal Message- From: dark
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:41 AM
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
>
> Yep, once again why can't microsoft just continue xp? :D.
>
> Goodness knows what will happen with access tech and windows 8, it'
ch 13, 2012 11:41 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Yep, once again why can't microsoft just continue xp? :D.
Goodness knows what will happen with access tech and windows 8, it's a shame
after very stable access to xp that things are moving in this direction,
n his body, but not his spirit...'
- Original Message - From: "dark"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
I agree tom, prophiteering capitalist scumbags run things unfortunately.
Myself however I di
From: "dark"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
I agree tom, prophiteering capitalist scumbags run things unfortunately.
Myself however I disagree with your philosophy of "get it and get used to
for this reason, even if the ui does irritatingly
change.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Hi Dark,
Well, I think you know the an
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