> SkyWalking received all feedbacks from our mentors and committers.
> 1. Luke Han(mentor) asked for `step down`.
> 2. All committers accept the `Invitation with condition`[1]
Thanks Shen.
Everyone, here's the updated graduation proposal, the third version of "take2",
that includes the
Sheng Wu";
Date: Wed, Mar 6, 2019 11:58 AM
To: "general";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)
Hi
> My understanding, with discussions with Sheng, is that they presumed (2) was
> possible and currently are following that
their confirmation.
--
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108
-- Original --
From: "mck";
Date: Wed, Mar 6, 2019 11:34 AM
To: "general";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) a
> > > That can only be done if the committers have agreed to becoming
> > > members,
> >
> > That is correct, they need to be offered and they need to agree.
> >
> > > in which case you might as well add them to the PPMC before
> > > graduation.
> >
> > Since PPMC is an artificial construct that
On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 01:19, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 5:09 PM sebb wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 00:18, Dave Fisher wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi -
> > >
> > > > On Mar 5, 2019, at 3:55 PM, 吴晟 Sheng Wu wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Roman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In the
On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 5:09 PM sebb wrote:
>
> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 00:18, Dave Fisher wrote:
> >
> > Hi -
> >
> > > On Mar 5, 2019, at 3:55 PM, 吴晟 Sheng Wu wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Roman
> > >
> > >
> > > In the discussion, I started about inviting committers to PMC when
> > > graduation, shows
Dave
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> >
> > From Wu Sheng 's phone.
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From: roman
> > Date: Tue,M
---
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108
-- Original --
From: "Dave Fisher";
Date: Wed, Mar 6, 2019 08:17 AM
To: "general";
Cc: "roman";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWal
uated and infrastructure has moved the project LDAP.
Regards,
Dave
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>
> From Wu Sheng 's phone.
>
>
> -- Original ----------
> From: roman
>
.
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
From Wu Sheng 's phone.
-- Original --
From: roman
Date: Tue,Mar 5,2019 0:50 PM
To: general
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM Craig
ar 5, 2019 12:49 PM
To: "general";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM Craig Russell wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
> >> The c
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM Craig Russell wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
> >> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> >
> > This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
> >> It also means that the person is
> If possible can one of the PPMC members / mentors explain what these
> issue are in a little more detail.
All 7 items are resolved. The "Three most important issues to address in the
move towards graduation" section had been misread by all of us, as the list had
accumulated over time,
Hi,
> "Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> 1. IP clearance.
> 3. First ASF release. (SkyWalking 5.0)
> 3. Further ASF culture and processes.
> ...
> 7. Clear Brand issues with other ecosystem projects.“
>
> If possible can one of the PPMC members / mentors
Hi -
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 4, 2019, at 7:52 PM, Justin Mclean wrote:
>
> HI,
>
>> Removing those two initial PPMC that have since been quiet has not been
>> done, I'm waiting on confirmation on whether that is needed/requested.
>
> The PPMC should be able to discuss that and work
HI,
> Removing those two initial PPMC that have since been quiet has not been done,
> I'm waiting on confirmation on whether that is needed/requested.
The PPMC should be able to discuss that and work that out themselves and come
up with the right answer if they are ready for graduation.
I was
.
-- --
??: Kai Wang
: 2019??3??5?? 11:00
??: general
: private , dev
, sebb
: ??: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
HI, AllThe problem of subscribing to the private
Sebbaz:
> > I also can not subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org.
> >
> >
> > -- --
> > ??: "wu.sheng";
> > : 2019??3??4??(??) 7:26
> > ??: "Incubator General";"general"<
> > general@incubato
-- 原始邮件 --
>> 发件人: "John D. Ament";
>> 发送时间: 2019年3月4日(星期一) 晚上11:37
>> 收件人: "general";
>> 抄送: "dev"; "sebb";
>> 主题: Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
>> Apache Sky
"wu.sheng";
> > > 发送时间: 2019年3月4日(星期一) 晚上7:26
> > > 收件人: "Incubator General";"general"<
> > > general@incubator.apache.org>;"dev";
> > >
> > > 主题: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Gradu
too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Origi
;
: "dev"; "sebb";
: Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
Hi
There is another option to try if the email subscription isn't working.
You can access the whimsy portal (login using your ASF user
Wonderful!
> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>
>
>> May I see a link to the planned Graduation Resolution?
>
>
> The planned graduation resolution is in this DISCUSS thread above,
> specifically here:
>
- 原始邮件 --
> > 发件人: "wu.sheng";
> > 发送时间: 2019年3月4日(星期一) 晚上7:26
> > 收件人: "Incubator General";"general"<
> > general@incubator.apache.org>;"dev";
> >
> > 主题: Re: Problems subscribi
> May I see a link to the planned Graduation Resolution?
The planned graduation resolution is in this DISCUSS thread above, specifically
here:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/bf9512ac5441f602c41fe8fe7e11d9fa6121f04fc8d3f0cd39249b13@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
That includes the
> I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is
> the proposed PMC list accurate".
>
> The PMC members are responsible for governing the TLP and as such need
> to be familiar with what is expected of them. Governance activities are
> conducted on the PPMC private
Hi -
It is down to four people missing from the PPMC list. I don’t view this as a
problem. Clearly there are small operational issues. (Mick - SHOULD is used as
specifications and really means MUST. They really MUST because if not that
means that these PMC members can’t see discussion and
Hi,
> I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is the
> proposed PMC list accurate”.
Well the graduation was put off last time because the project was not correctly
recognising merit, and they have fixed that by voting more folks but but if
they are not active then
> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
>
> This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
>> It also means that the person is aware that the private@ list is
>> something they need to follow.
>
As
> > From: "John D. Ament";
> > Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:37 PM
> > To: "general";
> > Cc: "dev"; "sebb";
> > Subject: Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> > Graduate Apache SkyWalking (in
;> To:
>>> "general";"d...@skywalking.apache.org";
>>>
>>> Subject: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
>>> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> O
> 发件人: sebb
> 发送时间: 2019年3月5日 00:02
> 收件人: general , dev
> 主题: 回复：答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:53, 吴晟 Sheng Wu wrote:
> >
he SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From: "sebb";
> Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:47 PM
> To: "吴晟 Sheng Wu";
> Cc: "dev";
> "general";
> Subject:
, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
From Wu Sheng 's phone.
-- --
??: sebb
: 2019??3??5?? 00:02
??: general , dev
: ??: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
On Mon, 4
On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 11:32 PM Mick Semb Wever wrote:
> ...If this project description is to be updated in the graduation proposal,
> does it also need to be updated
> in the podling status file? and anywhere else?...
No, it's fine to have a slightly different description in the
graduation
ral";
Subject: Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:45, Sheng Wu wrote:
>
> Hi John
>
> I just try on that page, don't find skywalking-private in `Subsc
";
"general";
Subject: Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:26, Sheng Wu wrote:
>
> Hi Sebb
>
> I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may
lking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From: "John D. Ament";
> Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:37 PM
> To: "general";
> Cc: "dev"; "sebb";
> Subject: Re: 答复: Problem
g, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From: "吴晟 Sheng Wu";
> Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
> To: "sebb";
> Subject: Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Gradua
s like me. I assume you don't get them too.
>
>
> ------
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From: "sebb";
> Date: Mon, Ma
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From: "吴晟 Sheng Wu";
> Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21
wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From: "wang yao";
> > Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 07:39 PM
> > To:
> > "general";"d...@skywalking.apache.org";
> >
&
uot;sebb";
Subject: Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some, s
-- Original --
> From: "wang yao";
> Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 07:39 PM
> To:
> "general";"d...@skywalking.apache.org";
>
> Subject: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
> Apache Sk
subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
Ok, trying to subscribing again.
??
Yao Wang
Apache SkyWalking Committer, DaoCloud Labs
Twitter, @tinyallen16
??: Sheng Wu
: 2019??3??4?? 19:26
t; 发件人: "wu.sheng";
> 发送时间: 2019年3月4日(星期一) 晚上7:26
> 收件人: "Incubator General";"general"<
> general@incubator.apache.org>;"dev";
>
> 主题: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> SkyWalking
ngSphere, Zipkin
From Wu Sheng 's phone.
-- Original --
From: sebb
Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
To: general
Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
--
From: sebb
Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
To: general
Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>
>
> >
> > The cookies in t
,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
To: general
Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>
>
> >
> > The cookies in the moderator mails expir
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>
>
> >
> > The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> >
>
> This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
I see another person has subscribed to private, so it is possible to
subscribe, but it may depend
>
> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
>
This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
> It also means that the person is aware that the private@ list is
> something they need to follow.
Not getting any response at all is not an indication of
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>
>
> > Whimsy currently shows 6 PPMC members who are not subscribed.
>
>
> Digging into this more…
>
> It looks there's also been troubles subscribing from China, or more accurate
> receiving the confirm subscription emails from apache to
> Whimsy currently shows 6 PPMC members who are not subscribed.
Digging into this more…
It looks there's also been troubles subscribing from China, or more accurate
receiving the confirm subscription emails from apache to chinese inboxes. (And
it wouldn't surprise me if after creating a new
Hi,
> Whimsy currently shows 6 PPMC members who are not subscribed.
> It was 8 when I checked earlier, but two subscriptions were added earlier
> today.
It was 8 when I checked a few hours ago when I sent the email.
Thanks,
Justin
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 09:13, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>
>
> > I’m still not 100% sure that this project its ready to graduate.
> > Looking at the roster [1] only 1/2 the the proposed PMC members are
> > signed up to the projects private list. Some of the people suggested
> > have limited
Hi,
> I noticed this before we started this thread. We went through the roster and
> most of those "missing" are subscribed with other (non-apache) addresses.
I checked their names and email address list in the proposal as well not just
apache emails. Whimsey doesn’t report any other unknown
> I’m still not 100% sure that this project its ready to graduate.
> Looking at the roster [1] only 1/2 the the proposed PMC members are
> signed up to the projects private list. Some of the people suggested
> have limited interaction on the mailing list(s) and in a couple of
> cases have
When I was writing the graduation proposal for Fineract I explicitly asked
each PMC member for permission to put them on the list. One guy never
answered, so I removed him from the list. There's nothing really *wrong*
with having inactive PMC members, but you can at least start your project's
Hi,
I’m still not 100% sure that this project its ready to graduate. Looking at the
roster [1] only 1/2 the the proposed PMC members are signed up to the projects
private list. Some of the people suggested have limited interaction on the
mailing list(s) and in a couple of cases have never
--
From: "Justin Mclean";
Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 09:49 AM
To: "general";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)
Hi,
Yes and thanks for pointing this out.
> I have updated the document[1].
>
Have any other changes
Hi,
Yes and thanks for pointing this out.
> I have updated the document[1].
>
Have any other changes been made since last time?
Thanks.,
Justin
>
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108
-- Original --
From: "justin";
Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 04:56 AM
To: "general";
Cc: "dev";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating
Thanks Justin for the reminder, this came up during the first discussion too
and I completely skipped it.
The updated proposal is, including improvement from Sebb's feedback,
==
Establish the Apache SkyWalking Project
WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
Hi,
>> SkyWalking is making more consensus decisions via the ML, including
>> discussions and decisions on issue, test, release, new committer and
>> branding issues. Since the last graduation discussion, the community has
>> voted in 9 new committers, 3 of them also as PPMC members.
I assume
Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108
-- Original --
From: "sebb";
Date: Sun, Mar 3, 2019 10:04 PM
To: "general";
Cc: "dev";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP (take2)
On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 12:08, Mi
On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 12:08, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>
>
> Apache SkyWalking entered incubation in December of 2017. The SkyWalking
> community has learnt a lot about how to do things in The Apache Way.
>
> The first time graduation was raised for discussion, five months ago, the
> IPMC thought
Apache SkyWalking entered incubation in December of 2017. The SkyWalking
community has learnt a lot about how to do things in The Apache Way.
The first time graduation was raised for discussion, five months ago, the IPMC
thought SkyWalking was not yet ready because of issues around
Hi,
Thanks for your response it clears up a few things, but I’m still concerned
about community growth and in particular how merit is recognised and still
think, despite good progress being made, that it may be a little too early for
SkyWalking to leave the incubator.
> Well spotted.
>
> Although a mistake was also made in not first voting this person in as a
> committer.
Correction. A previous vote had occurred for committer role, as I wrote below
> Haoyang Liu was voted on to be a committer, and then later to PPMC.
Hi,
>> - A search of the private list show only one PPMC added past the initial
>> commuter list and they were added without NOTICE being sent (and only
>> corrected when I pointed it out).
> Yes, that is correct. The community decided to accept him. But number of
> contributors grows well,
Justin, answers inline…
> I think that perhaps that SkyWalking may need to stay a little longer in
> the incubator as:
> - There still doesn’t seem to be a lot of discussion on the development
> list.
> - The initial PMC list doesn’t include all fo the current PPMC and
> committers on the
HI,
> Who is not in the initial list?
First off all initial committers are usually PPMC members and that is not the
case here. There were 10 initial committers, the roster has 4 mentors, 5 PPMC
members and 6 committers (15 total), but the graduation proposal only mentions
9 people including
Date: Tue,Oct 30,2018 6:06 PM
To: general
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP
Hi Justin
From my personal perspective, I have some answers from the status I known.
- There still doesn??t seem to be a lot of discussion on the development list.
SkyWalking
--
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking
-- Original --
From: "justin";
Date: Tue, Oct 30, 2018 05:41 PM
To: "general";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP
Hi,
I think that perhaps that SkyWalking may need to stay a little lon
Hi,
Also I curious given that the number of new contributors was brought up in etc
graduation discussion [1] why haven’t more of these people been made committers?
Thanks,
Justin
1.
--- Original --
From: "justin";
Date: Tue, Oct 30, 2018 05:41 PM
To: "general";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP
Hi,
I think that perhaps that SkyWalking may need to stay a little longer in the
incubator as:
- There s
Hi,
I think that perhaps that SkyWalking may need to stay a little longer in the
incubator as:
- There still doesn’t seem to be a lot of discussion on the development list.
- The initial PMC list doesn’t include all fo the current PPMC and committers
on the roster (and I cannot see any
I am excited about SkyWalking is heading to graduation. Honored to be a part of
it.
--
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking
-- Original --
From: "mck";
Date: Tue, Oct 30, 2018 03:21 PM
To: "general";"dev";
Subje
Glad to see SkyWalking graduate soon. A good project and wonderful
community!
Good luck!
Regards,
-John (Zhang Liang)
Bertrand Delacretaz 于2018年10月30日周二 下午4:27写道：
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 8:21 AM Mick Semb Wever wrote:
> > ...RESOLVED, that the initial Apache SkyWalking PMC be and
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 8:21 AM Mick Semb Wever wrote:
> ...RESOLVED, that the initial Apache SkyWalking PMC be and hereby is tasked
> with the creation of a set of bylaws...
You should remove this paragraph - this needs to be clarified and
better documented but the current consensus is
Great News. Happy to see SkyWalking getting graduated.
On Tue 30 Oct, 2018, 14:21 Mick Semb Wever After discussion in the podling's community on the dev ML
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/4ee8894c99275ee0f14fcdb250a66ef9d22a7ba87742fa613897849f@%3Cdev.skywalking.apache.org%3E
>
> and on a
Great to see SkyWalking reach this stage. A good example for others!
Good luck for the graduation and will be watching!
Best,
-Adrian
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 4:21 PM Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>
> After discussion in the podling's community on the dev ML
>
After discussion in the podling's community on the dev ML
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/4ee8894c99275ee0f14fcdb250a66ef9d22a7ba87742fa613897849f@%3Cdev.skywalking.apache.org%3E
and on a github ticket
https://github.com/apache/incubator-skywalking/issues/1768
culminating with a positive
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