Stephane Bailliez typed the following on 09:42 AM 1/4/2002 +
We had that discussion once on Commons, and many people liked the
underscore convention.
I can understand why:
public void setSomething(Object something){
something = something;
}
It is one of my major source of error
-Original Message-
From: Kief Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
It is one of my major source of error when not using the '_' and I
have seen the error several times along with variable naming
gymnastics to avoid the this. people would use aSomething or
On 1/4/02 3:48 AM, Endre Stølsvik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
| It is amazing to me...with all the discussion about coding styles and
| following them, we still have people committing code that doesn't follow
| what rules we do have...
|
| on
On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:03:43 -0800, Sam Ruby wrote:
Let's all take a moment to review:
http://www.godwinslaw.com/
Amusing but not very pertinent to the discussion. No one exchanged
accusations of Nazism. Although I recognize that your goal was
probably to diffuse the tension.
As things
At 10:44 04.01.2002 +, you wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Kief Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
It is one of my major source of error when not using the '_' and I
have seen the error several times along with variable naming
gymnastics to avoid the this. people would use
Hey Jon,
It is not amazing. It is normal. The paragraph that you quoted says:
All Java Language source code in the repository must be written in
conformance to the Code Conventions for the Java Programming Language
as published by Sun. However, some projects may decide to override
As a point of order:
The use of this is recommended by the Elements of Java Style, which is
cited in the Commons charter.
Though, I have myself been victimized by the trap Ceki mentions.
-Ted.
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
People who repeatedly forget to type this represent a minority and
should
On 1/4/02 6:43 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:03:43 -0800, Sam Ruby wrote:
If some particular codebase under the Jakarta umbrella consistently
chose to take actions which were inconsistent with the Apache mission,
then I'm confident that the PMC would
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
For those of us (like me) that don¹t get it, can we do a quick review why
deviation from the One True But Sometimes Really Ugly Coding Standard as
defined by Sun Microsystems is such a threat to the ongoing health of
Jakarta? And if the above isn't really the
-Original Message-
From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[...]
People who repeatedly forget to type this represent a minority and
should perhaps look to exercise a different profession. The problem
You are right, but I think you know perfectly what kind of horrors you can
find
Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/projects.html
I'm nobody at ASF but I am on this mailling list. I think it's my
first post (or near). I just wanna say:
Jon, It's a really good job!
-- Arnaud, STE-Formations Informatiques, fapse, ULg, .BE
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On 1/4/02 7:23 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 06:46 04.01.2002 -0500, you wrote:
On 1/4/02 6:04 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jakarta does not have a benevolent dictator where the puck stops.
Recognizing this fact, we either:
[SNIP]
3) Keeps things as
At 06:57 04.01.2002 -0500, you wrote:
On 1/4/02 6:43 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:03:43 -0800, Sam Ruby wrote:
If some particular codebase under the Jakarta umbrella consistently
chose to take actions which were inconsistent with the Apache mission,
On 1/4/02 7:56 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 06:57 04.01.2002 -0500, you wrote:
On 1/4/02 6:43 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:03:43 -0800, Sam Ruby wrote:
If some particular codebase under the Jakarta umbrella consistently
chose to take
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:07, Ted Husted wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
For those of us (like me) that dont get it, can we do a quick review why
deviation from the One True But Sometimes Really Ugly Coding Standard as
defined by Sun Microsystems is such a threat to the ongoing health of
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:04, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
1) Elect a PMC with real power, power to intervene and take painful
decisions, until the next elections.
-1 power would be abused and misused. If power is what you want you are not
going to get it by donning a skippy badge but earning it through
Peter Donald wrote:
Thats nice for some codebases but not appropriate for all. For instance the
Ant codebase has got to have at least 10-15 different styles (probably way
way way more) because 70% of code is not written by the committers but by
members of community who have their own
At 08:01 04.01.2002 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
The debate about code conventions is just an excuse to ask the
following question, and it is a question:
Do we want to instate rules for the good of the larger community?
I think yes, but the prepositional phrase for the good of the
At 00:55 05.01.2002 +1100, you wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:04, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
1) Elect a PMC with real power, power to intervene and take painful
decisions, until the next elections.
-1 power would be abused and misused. If power is what you want you are not
going to get it by donning a
At 00:57 05.01.2002 +1100, you wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:23, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
The threat is to Jakarta's *nature* and it comes from our indecisiveness.
Real problems I see is
1) lack of focus,
Dont see this as a problem. Each project is usually focused on its dowmain
and the overall
Aside : does Sun use deviation from coding standards as an actionable HR
issue? ;)
On your resume, I see that you were terminated for cause at Sun?
Yes, I created too many classes with the opening brace on a separate
line...
I don't know about sun, but we would certainly warn employees
-Original Message-
From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 3:16 PM
...
Under the hood, I imagine that POI has more in common with things like
FOP than things like Lucene.
I fail to understand why you assume this. Why?
I do not see POI making
Ceci wrote:
The inability of the PMC to take initiative stems from the Apache
voting process
snip
The current system snip is inappropriate for managing large projects
like
Jakarta.
snip
I agree with this, I've only been a commiter since the end of last summer,
and have been surprised
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/source.html
All Java Language source code in the repository must be written in
conformance to the Code Conventions for the Java Programming Language as
published by Sun.
-jon
Sun ? ;-)
I thought it was agreed a long time ago that
At 10:32 04.01.2002 -0500, you wrote:
For reasons that are unknown to me, none of the e-mail that I have sent
over the last few days has made it out to the mailing lists. For all I
know, at some point in the distant future, it will all be unleashed and
make little sense out of context. :-(
Ted Husted wrote:
What would also help, I think, would be if we published more of our
statistics. I know Vincent was working on a download stats page once.
I've also seen people post interesting statistics about the posts to the
mailing lists. A snapshot of how many commits are being made
At 11:34 04.01.2002 -0500, you wrote:
Ted Husted wrote:
What would also help, I think, would be if we published more of our
statistics. I know Vincent was working on a download stats page once.
I've also seen people post interesting statistics about the posts to the
mailing lists. A snapshot
Hi,
skip/
Any democratic system is imperfect and hence flawed. Hitler was elected
democratically although he soon moved to dismantle the system that
brought him to power. D'oh, that damn Godwin's Law!
Nein ;), Hitler and his NSDAP gets only ~30%. He became Reichskanzler
because the other so
Gerhard,
Is it fair and accurate to say that he came to power
within the bounds and rules of a democratic system?
At 17:58 04.01.2002 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,
skip/
Any democratic system is imperfect and hence flawed. Hitler was elected
democratically although he soon moved to dismantle the
Sam Ruby wrote:
P.S. Food for thought: wouldn't it be nice if we could somehow merge xml
and Jakarta? Then discussions as to where POI should go would be moot.
Gump doesn't care about these arbitrary distinctions, why should we?
The thing with XML is that core products like Xerces are
In the process Hitler and his gang played a surprisingly high number of
dirty tricks. Surprising at least for a non German, since we only get
an overview of the WW2 history.
Since I work in Germany I have the benefit of the many documentaries
about the Nazi era played on TV (history is not
I am sure Gerhard can give a better answer, but IMHO he abused a lot
the system.
The truth is that it can happen anywhere if people are not very alert
and ready to fight for their rights.
It could even happen in the USA and it is quite dangerous to think
otherwise (because then you are not
Hi,
Gerhard,
Is it fair and accurate to say that he came to power
within the bounds and rules of a democratic system?
Yes and it should remind us, that the democratic system
is very imperfect! Even in the USA. A powerful President
with deep influence can slowly become more and more powerful
I am 100% for that.
Even because:
- How server specific is Ant?
- And BCEL?
- And Log4J?
- And ORO?
- And Regexp?
- And Xerces?
- And commons collections, DBCP, Beanutils...
And I could push it a bit more.
Of course that they are useful to build server stuff... as they could be
useful
Hi,
At 11:34 04.01.2002 -0500, you wrote:
Ted Husted wrote:
What would also help, I think, would be if we published more of our
statistics. I know Vincent was working on a download stats page once.
I've also seen people post interesting statistics about the posts to the
mailing lists. A
Ted Husted wrote:
I'm not sure if I'm ready for the equation
Jakarta != Java
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-tomcat-connectors/jk/native/common/
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-ant/src/main/org/apache/tools/ant/taskdefs/optional/dotnet/
Thinking about it more carefully, ...
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
+1 on the principle of merging Jakarta and XML. However, you realize
there are technical considerations such as the look and fell of the
merged web-site. More importantly, what would be the scope of the merged
XML+Jakarta?
The more important question is what is the
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
- Sam Ruby
P.S. Food for thought: wouldn't it be nice if we could somehow merge xml
and Jakarta? Then discussions as to where POI should go would be moot.
Gump doesn't care about these arbitrary distinctions, why should we?
+1 on the principle
From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
One thing I would like people to think about. I see viceral
reaction at times to putting things in commons. Or in
Avalon/Turbine/Struts, etc. And often there is lengthy
debates about whether something belongs in Jakarta or not.
Yet,
Sam Ruby wrote:
The more important question is what is the community model. As the XML
bylaws are clones of the Jakarta ones, I would venture to say that they are
fairly compatible.
What about TCL then?
I wouldn't actually care if there is one umbrella project or six. But it
seemed like
Hi
skip/
Here's a concrete example to illustrate the issue: I've always been under
the assumption that at some point a few people in Jakarta land would take a
sustained interest in contributing code to Gump, at which point, I would
propose it to be a formal subproject. At the present time, it
i'd just like to point out that i didn't write that bit of code (but
neither did i correct it).
personally speaking, i'm not going to risk having patches vetoed because i
try to correct the original author's coding style.
any committer who has the time and energy to fight is very welcome to
on 1/4/02 8:05 AM, Bob Jamison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
jakarta.apache.org != Sun
That isn't the comparison that we are making here.
-jon
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At 10:35 04.01.2002 -0800, you wrote:
on 1/4/02 3:28 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All Java Language source code in the repository must be written in
conformance to the Code Conventions for the Java Programming Language
as published by Sun. However, some projects may decide to
on 1/4/02 9:14 AM, Scott Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can agree with Paulo, POI is about generating/reading documents with a
particular foramt, and that is very useful to jakarta and xml. I
believe that if it came to Apache, if would belong under Jakarta, being
a Java tool, and more
Jon Stevens wrote:
I'm not interested in bringing new projects into Jakarta when we are as
fucked up as we are today. It is utter anarchy here and I don't think that
is good. People can't even follow the rules we have *defined*.
People, it isn't about code standards, that is just the
Sam Ruby wrote:
1) Perhaps we need to use the bug tracking system for PMC issues. That
would be a welcome improvement. Anybody care to take this one?
Makes sense to me -- Can we list it as PMC/Site2 ?
Do I have karma to add this to bugzilla myself?
-- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com,
I've been watching the recent 'discussion' on coding conventions with some
interest. I promised myself I'd stay out of it, but in the end I just
can't. I guess I'm weak that way.
When discussion coding conventions we first need to understand *why* they
are important. What are coding standards
Gerhard Froehlich wrote:
Nope. No karma for the Jakarta Site, only for the Avalon project.
Your turn ;-).
I did post an update this morning, but there apparently a problem with
anoncvs that's preventing me from copying the changes over to the main
site.
-- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com,
on 1/4/02 12:00 PM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2) Related to POI. As long as they know the current state of Jakarta and
can make an informed decision, and meet all the criteria described in
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html, then they have my +1.
After all, what good
Peter Donald wrote:
So I +1 on suggesting standards for external parts of project, -1 for forcing
it
uh, I jumped in the middle of a where to place the curly brace code
format pissing contest, how cool.
For those of you who weren't around, we had the first resolution of this
(what later
On 1/4/02 12:39 PM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's a concrete example to illustrate the issue: I've always been under
the assumption that at some point a few people in Jakarta land would take a
sustained interest in contributing code to Gump, at which point, I would
propose it to
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:34, Sam Ruby wrote:
Ted Husted wrote:
What would also help, I think, would be if we published more of our
statistics. I know Vincent was working on a download stats page once.
I've also seen people post interesting statistics about the posts to the
mailing lists. A
Rule #1 from The Elements of Java Style is:
Adhere to the style of the original
- Original Message -
From: robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Jakarta Commons Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:49
on 1/4/02 4:20 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They aren't even comparable, are they?
Of course not.
http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/dvsl/
When DVSL is integrated into Turbine's presentation layer and people are
using it, the comparison will definitely be Cocoon2 vs.
on 1/4/02 4:14 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That makes me wonder about the real causes of this whole fucking mess
and jakarta is fucked up today feelings of yours...
Of course. I forgot. I'm always wrong. Sorry.
-jon
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On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:19, Steve Downey wrote:
http://java.sun.com/docs/codeconv/html/CodeConventions.doc8.html#367
| Variable names should not start with underscore _ or dollar sign $
| characters, even though both are allowed.
The _instanceVariable and also the __staticVariable idea
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Erik Hatcher wrote:
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:27:52 -0500
From: Erik Hatcher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: More abuse of coding styles...
Rule #1 from The Elements of Java
on 1/4/02 4:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Conform to the recently agreed (on [EMAIL PROTECTED]) convention
of including the Apache License inside the JAR file, at
META-INF/LICENSE.txt
How about documenting that convention on the website?
-jon
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