At 23:30 24.05.2002 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
http://www.libertyforall.net/2002/archive/do-ocracy.html
The motivational power of appreciation cannot be underestimated. The
author is correct in emphasizing the point. What is not emphasized
enough is the need for direction. What's the use of having a
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On Sat, 25 May 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
If you are a commiter - you have the same rights with all other commiters.
If you don't want to exercise some rights - it's your choice.
Hola, you tend to forget a part I'm stressing out quite hardly...
Tim Vernum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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If you are a commiter - you have the same rights with all
other commiters.
If you don't want to exercise some rights - it's your choice.
But it's not just about exercising rights, it's also about
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-1, its not broken, it worked. I see little reason to fix it.
It is broken. We don't allow Sally Khudairi to be a member of this
community, nor James Gonzo Todd (ex employee at Sun), to leave his
employment and terminate his working (9 to 5)
Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.libertyforall.net/2002/archive/do-ocracy.html
Nice article, but that has little to do with the problem that I'm trying to
outline here (which is not a matter of freedom but of rights and
responsibilities).
Pier
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Ceki Gülcü wrote:
The motivational power of appreciation cannot be underestimated. The
author is correct in emphasizing the point. What is not emphasized
enough is the need for direction. What's the use of having a million
volunteers if they all pull in different directions?
Apache projects
Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
The motivational power of appreciation cannot be underestimated. The
author is correct in emphasizing the point. What is not emphasized
enough is the need for direction. What's the use of having a million
volunteers if they all pull in
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 02:04:24PM +0100, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
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On Sat, 25 May 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
If you are a commiter - you have the same rights with all other commiters.
If you don't want to exercise some rights - it's your choice.
Even though I am not a committer / member (I try to contribute code
however), I just needed to express my opinion ;).
I am a +1 on Piers proposal.
Especially the membership possibility for people who are not coding can
be very constructive for this community!
Designers, politicians,
Jeff Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
.. and thankful that people like Costin persevere in spite of rather
vicious abuse.
Vicious abuse? All I am proposing is to add greater flexibility to the
freedom of those who are involved with the Jakarta project.
All I'm proposing is to accept the idea
Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Designers, politicians, copywriters, lawyers, nannies, cleaning lady,
sys admins, people with great ideas (the thinkers) etc,etc.. A
community is more then just programming, although it is our core
business here. Others can give us a look at
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 10:44, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
Even though I am not a committer / member (I try to contribute code
however), I just needed to express my opinion ;).
I am a +1 on Piers proposal.
Especially the membership possibility for people who are not coding can
be very
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 10:17, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
The motivational power of appreciation cannot be underestimated. The
author is correct in emphasizing the point. What is not emphasized
enough is the need for direction. What's the
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 10:07, Sam Ruby wrote:
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
The motivational power of appreciation cannot be underestimated. The
author is correct in emphasizing the point. What is not emphasized
enough is the need for direction. What's the use of having a million
volunteers if they
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 09:13, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-1, its not broken, it worked. I see little reason to fix it.
It is broken. We don't allow Sally Khudairi to be a member of this
community, nor James Gonzo Todd (ex employee at Sun), to leave
Andy,
With this attitude nothing gets ever implemented I guess.
In this case Pier can hardly say : I am going to implement this and all
of you comply! So he can implement whatever he wants, as long as it it
still veto'd its no use investing spare time in.
I offered myself 2 times to jakarta as
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 07:35, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
At 23:30 24.05.2002 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
http://www.libertyforall.net/2002/archive/do-ocracy.html
The motivational power of appreciation cannot be underestimated. The
author is correct in emphasizing the point. What is not emphasized
enough
I fail to see the connection between what I said and what you stated.
I offered myself as installer of Scarab and it was accepted. I'll be
implementing that shortly. (Step 1. Drive Server to chapel hill, Step
2. Install Scarab on it for practice, Step 3. install here)
-Andy
On Sat,
On Sat, 25 May 2002, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
At 23:30 24.05.2002 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
http://www.libertyforall.net/2002/archive/do-ocracy.html
The motivational power of appreciation cannot be underestimated. The
author is correct in emphasizing the point. What is not emphasized
enough is the
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 17:16, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
I fail to see the connection between what I said and what you stated.
Then I fail to see your connection with my story too..
I'll Give it try anyway : If no one cares or just one person cares and
needs to vote of all to get things
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I fail to see the connection between what I said and what you stated.
I offered myself as installer of Scarab and it was accepted. I'll be
implementing that shortly. (Step 1. Drive Server to chapel hill, Step
2. Install Scarab on it for
My projects haven't come to a grinding halt. Only on general @ jakarta
But this isn't about your projects, it is about the community, and the
community is more important than the code. Do you even know why you are
here?
-Andy
-- jt (who is afraid Pier will do a mailing list search on him
On Sat, 25 May 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Jeff Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
.. and thankful that people like Costin persevere in spite of rather
vicious abuse.
Vicious abuse? All I am proposing is to add greater flexibility to the
freedom of those who are involved with the Jakarta
The converse: You all can vote all day long on what I'm to do, but what
are you going to do when my dissenting vote is cast by me not actually
doing it? Voting has NOTHING to do with what work gets done. Thats the
POWER of those who do.
We are talking about this proposal am I right not
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 11:38, James Taylor wrote:
My projects haven't come to a grinding halt. Only on general @ jakarta
But this isn't about your projects, it is about the community, and the
community is more important than the code. Do you even know why you are
here?
No.. how about
On Sat, 25 May 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-1, its not broken, it worked. I see little reason to fix it.
It is broken. We don't allow Sally Khudairi to be a member of this
community, nor James Gonzo Todd (ex employee at Sun), to leave his
James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-- jt (who is afraid Pier will do a mailing list search on him and
realize how little value he brings to the community =)
Sorry James, I just _had_ to do this! :) Nothing personal!!! :) :) :)
sarcasm
Just need to grep the right files... You are a good
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On Sat, 25 May 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-1, its not broken, it worked. I see little reason to fix it.
It is broken. We don't allow Sally Khudairi to be a member of this
community, nor James Gonzo
Being a committer (at least that's my idea), he doesn't only have the
right to vote, but also the due to vote...
This is one of the fundamental concepts of any good democratic country. Are
we undermining that?
you also have the right to abstain. Sometimes you speak loudest by not
Being a committer (at least that's my idea), he doesn't only have the
right to vote, but also the due to vote...
This is one of the fundamental concepts of any good democratic country. Are
we undermining that?
Hmm.. democracy is also having the right not to vote. Just don't
complain if
From: Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Being a committer (at least that's my idea), he doesn't only have the
right to vote, but also the due to vote...
This is one of the fundamental concepts of any good democratic country.
Are
we undermining that?
No, it isn't.
In a true democracy, one
Maven provides that functionality ;))
see http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/maven/activity-log.html
Mvgr,
Martin
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 18:28, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-- jt (who is afraid Pier will do a mailing list search on him and
realize how little
while one of the major
democracies of the world, the US, doen't surely have one of the highest
turnouts.
And a lot of people see that as a really bad thing. Turning in an empty
ballot is one thing, but not going to the polls because you can't tear
yourself away from 'Must See TV' is ignoring
No, it isn't.
In a true democracy, one has the right to abstain.
IMO that a good democracy doesn't need strong feelings: many dictators go to
power with a strong vote with a strong turnout, while one of the major
democracies of the world, the US, doen't surely have one of the highest
LOL ;-)
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 12:43, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
Maven provides that functionality ;))
see http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/maven/activity-log.html
Mvgr,
Martin
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 18:28, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-- jt (who is
Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Being a committer (at least that's my idea), he doesn't only have the
right to vote, but also the due to vote...
This is one of the fundamental concepts of any good democratic country.
Are we undermining
its a meritocracy.
Thanx to the Oxfort dictionary I know what it is.. But all democracies
are actually meritocracies according to the dictionary, they select you
to be able to vote when 18+. But this is getting way to Off-Topic I
guess... ;))
Mvgr,
Martin
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On Sat, 25 May 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Just need to grep the right files... You are a good committer, I see that
you have 2342 commits into the turbine CVS. Good.
I still beat you, overall I'm at 10717, Andy is at 2666 (Andy you're so
lazy), but hear hear, Costin has 25871, beating
From: Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Being a committer (at least that's my idea), he doesn't only have the
right to vote, but also the due to vote...
This is one of the fundamental concepts of any
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 12:53, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
its a meritocracy.
Thanx to the Oxfort dictionary I know what it is.. But all democracies
are actually meritocracies according to the dictionary, they select you
to be able to vote when 18+. But this is getting way to Off-Topic I
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 25 May 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Just need to grep the right files... You are a good committer, I see
that
you have 2342 commits into the turbine CVS. Good.
I still beat you, overall I'm at 10717, Andy is at 2666 (Andy you're so
lazy), but hear hear,
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 19:03, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
The action worthy of merit being: Surviving adolescence?
Too many words I need a dictionary for ;)) (it's hard to discuss stuff
you have to get out of a dictionary, so I will not try that)
I will conclude this day of way too little coding by
Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If commit numbers are not so important (and I agree), then why measure them
at all?
If commit numbers are not so important (and I agree), what is the way that
this community has to decide whether a person is a committer or not, given
that as it is
FYI, can someone with the right knowledge fix it? :)
Pier
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Hi,
I am sending this to the jakarta-general list because I hope that some of
you can help us to resolve the following issue.
As you might remember, Objectbridge was recently proposed as a
jakarta-subproject and accepted. This requires Objectbridge to change the
license to ASL, which is
Florian, I believe that this is more-or-less (or falls really close) to the
issue that XML-Axis is having (but I might be wrong, Sam?)
Maybe Jason (our liaison with the JCP) can give us some light on this topic?
Pier
Florian Bruckner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I am sending this to
From: Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If commit numbers are not so important (and I agree), then why measure
them
at all?
If commit numbers are not so important (and I agree), what is the way that
this community has to decide whether a person
bcel-dev is just not on mail-archive.com..
It has to be subscribed, which I am trying to do currently ;))
Mvgr,
Martin
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 19:58, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
FYI, can someone with the right knowledge fix it? :)
Pier
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Someone beat me to it ;)
Mvgr,
Martin
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 20:07, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
bcel-dev is just not on mail-archive.com..
It has to be subscribed, which I am trying to do currently ;))
Mvgr,
Martin
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 19:58, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
FYI, can someone
From: Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is the way that *any* community decides in voting?
You *are* a member of the community even if you do not have an account.
http://xml.apache.org/roles.html :
Developers
Developers are
From: Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It does have the right to vote, but it's not binding (at least this is
what
Stefano told me two weeks ago).
I don't want developers that are not committers to vote: a vote is
important
for the future
On Sat, 25 May 2002, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
I respect Craig mostly for the quality of his code ( even if I prefer
different solutions and we disagree on many other things ), I respect
Sam the most for keeping a low-key as 'PMC president' ( I never saw
him use the 'I'm the PMC chair'
On Sat, 25 May 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Nope, we shouldn't but we should give it to those who ARE interested in the
future of Jakarta, or XML, and _do_stuff_ for those project, but are not
bound to a particular codebase. We should change our meter from being
you contribute CODE to the
At 10:07 25.05.2002 -0400, you wrote:
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
The motivational power of appreciation cannot be underestimated. The
author is correct in emphasizing the point. What is not emphasized
enough is the need for direction. What's the use of having a million
volunteers if they all
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 18:22, Danny Angus wrote:
I think what I'm trying to say is that if we want to reconcile the
conflicting aims of having a small manageable group who can communicate, and
*reach**decisions* easily with encouraging large number of participants it
needs to be in some way
De: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Enviado el: sábado 25 de mayo de 2002 19:52
If commit numbers are not so important (and I agree), what is
the way that
this community has to decide whether a person is a committer
or not, given
that as it is today, you're not recognized as
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