Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Costin Manolache
Danny Angus wrote: ... the issue is *only* that The Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss implys that JBOSS is not only a contributor, but *the* major contributor. Fact is that JBoss is _a_ major contributor to tomcat. So is any company that have committers working full

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Costin Manolache
Davanum Srinivas wrote: Rémy, You will probably need to resend the CCLA...i can't find in the regular location where ccla's are recorded. - Can u please explain what you mean by current attitude? It's already 'explained' in various mailing list archives, including this thread :-) - Are u saying

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Costin Manolache
It's never bad to clarify things. For example ( honestly ! ) it's the first time I hear that the name of the project is Apache Tomcat. Someone should send a mail to tomcat-dev to inform them, the tomcat site is under the impression that it's called Apache Jakarta Tomcat - and almost all docs

Re: Jakarta - A study in self defeating projects

2004-10-18 Thread Costin Manolache
Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, The folks at JPackage.org already track several Jakarta projects and issue RPMs for them: for example, they've been doing this with Tomcat for a long time. We appreciate their work. We've spoken on the tomcat-dev list about issuing our own RPMs, and I think it was Costin

Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Costin Manolache
Noel J. Bergman wrote: What about starting by making sure Apache java projects _do_ work with the 2 open source JVMs that are mentioned in the article ? Which two? I've had a thought to try testing James under gcj at some point. RedHat has already done a whole bunch of Java-based Apache

Re: [VOTE] HiveMind as a Jakarta sub-project

2004-03-07 Thread Costin Manolache
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: [X] +1 I support this proposal [ ] -1 I don't support this proposal [ ] 0 I abstain from voting for or against this proposal Costin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

Extending the PMC ( was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status)

2004-01-05 Thread Costin Manolache
Ted Husted wrote: Right now, the only plan seems to be to nominate committers one-by-one on the PMC list. I'm just saying that we shouldn't play favorites. I believe all Jakarta committers have already earned membership in the PMC; we should tender the offer to every Jakarta committer and let

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Costin Manolache
Stephen Colebourne wrote: From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] What really saddens me is the idea of chasing them out the door. To use an analogy, its like being the parents of a family, where the children, aged from 4 to 40, are all living at home. It strikes me that it isn't healthy for

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Costin Manolache
I think I missed the VOTE thread where this proposal has been approved. So far I've seen 2 +1 and 2 -1 votes ( including mine ), this doesn't seem like a consensus. It's better to wait for the vote to finish ( and it would be nice to have a [VOTE] thread and a time limit ) before starting to do

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

2003-12-24 Thread Costin Manolache
Ted, I think we must focus on what we agree on - it seems nobody is against expanding the PMC to include most committers ( or all active committers who don't decline ). I'm not sure I understand Geir's current position, but I think he still agrees we need to include most people. I don't think

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

2003-12-23 Thread Costin Manolache
Ted Husted wrote: steward The proposal is to expand the role of the moderator, rather than invent an overlapping role with similar responsibilities. If the volunteer is not up to task, then another volunteer can be sought. (Hence, the language about the Chair appointing another volunteer.)

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Costin Manolache
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Vic, if you've been paying ANY attention, you'd know that what we are trying to do is just the opposite - get *every* committer in Jakarta onto the PMC, *eliminating* this needless boundary. While closing out everyone else. Like those who are not yet committers. I

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Radical view: allow the subprojects to send 1-2 delegates to the PMC and require each subproject to send one or die. This would size the PMC, assure that heart attack in the crowd syndrome doesn't take place and make the discussion more manageable. Have the sub projects

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Ted Husted wrote: Michael Davey wrote: Jakarta is the *brand*. It defines itself. Jakarta brand development. A brand can give a unique identity and grouping to an otherwise disparate and commodity range of goods and services. Apache is a brand too, and, IMHO, a much stronger brand than

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Bill Barker wrote: I'm sure that Craig or other will correct my mistakes (I haven't been here quite that long :). Jakarta started as Tomcat and friends after Sun donated Tomcat to the ASF (hence the name 'Jakarta' :). As the project grew (sign of success), Jakarta grew to include projects that

Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-12-07 Thread Costin Manolache
robert burrell donkin wrote: On 4 Dec 2003, at 22:35, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: snip From a Jakarta PMC perspective, I think that we should cease to support Sub-sub-projects with the exception of commons.* i think that it depends on what's meant by sub-sub-projects :) i'm happy for a

Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-12-06 Thread Costin Manolache
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 20:43, Daniel Rall wrote: Given Robert's description of his experience with the Incubator, I'm for the Jakarta Commons to gather some community (direct drop rather than sandbox route), with the goal of an eventual promotion to a full

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Costin Manolache
You did actually create a sourceforge project for this joke ? Costin Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Hi All, I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the incubator. I'd like for the Jakarta PMC/committers to vote a tacit approval of the project before we work on

Re: XDoclet, XJavaDoc, Apache and Licensing

2003-03-26 Thread Costin Manolache
Aslak Hellesøy wrote: The XDoclet project (http://xdoclet.sourceforge.net/) is considering applying for Jakarta/Apache membership. Glad to hear that ! We believe that these differences are sufficient in order to avoid potential licensing problems with Sun. I'm not sure I understand

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-11 Thread Costin Manolache
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: have meritocratic consensus based communities. The committers engaged in the legal agreement with sun cannot talk to the other committers about important decisions affecting the project and secondly the major decisions are made in the specification committee and not

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-11 Thread Costin Manolache
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Yeah, on second thought, its a great idea to remove choice in a project and instead submit it to a JSR committee and hence Suns conrol, take a few folks and put them on NDA so that they can't talk about certain decisions which will affect the project. I'm not

Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

2003-02-21 Thread Costin Manolache
robert burrell donkin wrote: one of the problems we have in the commons is the number of votes which spawn threads which go on for ever without any clear conclusion. that's why i think that announcing clearly when a vote is finished is a good thing. IMO all vote results should be at least

Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

2003-02-21 Thread Costin Manolache
Jeffrey Dever wrote: Vote results? It unclear even when a vote is taking place and who the nominees are. I thought we just finished a round on the 19th with an Sorry, my mistake - I was thinking about all vote results in general, i.e. whatever gets voted on various parts of jakarta. The

Re: PMC Nomination

2003-02-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Conor MacNeill wrote: purely PMC role. All releases of Jakarta sub-projects must be approved by the PMC. This isn't something that has been done in Jakarta to date, One good first step in this direction would be to at least Cc: the pmc list on all [Vote result] messages, so all pmc should be

Re: PMC Nomination

2003-02-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 12:18 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Jeffrey Dever wrote: I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members voting on releases to the exclusion of active committers. I'm the release prime for Commons HttpClient where all committers vote

Re: PMC Nomination

2003-02-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Jeffrey Dever wrote: I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members voting on releases to the exclusion of active committers. I'm the release prime for Commons It is not to the exclusion of active committers. Http-client is part of jakarta-commons - and acording to the charter any

Re: PMC Nomination

2003-02-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Pier Fumagalli wrote: ... Now, under Jakarta, there might be projects on which one might like to be involved and spend time on (therefore bearing the responsibilities of being a PMC member over _that_ particular code base), but there might be project that one don't want to be even remotely

Re: Licensing again.

2003-02-09 Thread Costin Manolache
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: ASF members that wish to be more directly involved in this issue can subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before anyone asks, yes, this is a subscriber moderated list. Note that I don't object to such a list being that way. :-) I do :-) ( last time I checked - it was

Re: [Fwd: Maven as a top-level apache project]

2003-02-06 Thread Costin Manolache
Jason van Zyl wrote: Gump _never_ used an object model, never. Gump was targeted at overall control by a small set of people (and it's still that way, no one outside of Jakarta/XML barely knows what it is) to build sources against CVS. That's not what Maven was ever targeted at, ever. Maven

Re: [Fwd: Maven as a top-level apache project]

2003-02-06 Thread Costin Manolache
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Costin, what's a 'maven-only' repository? There are at least 3 build tools in apache: ant is one of them, gump and maven ( there are more actually ). There are many projects whose releases will be in such a repositroy. The policy and the format of the descriptors

Re: [Fwd: Maven as a top-level apache project]

2003-02-06 Thread Costin Manolache
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, but let's not lose focus of what this is for. Distribution? Building? A company/individual can set up their own repository of jars (we all do) that they've accepted licenses for. The 'tools' should be able to work with that set up, similar to how Maven does

Re: Clear the air Re: ATTN: Maven developers [was: primary distribution location]

2003-02-05 Thread Costin Manolache
+1 ( a bit too long, but good !) Costin Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: okey, i'm wading in here, noting as i do the angels high-tailing it in the other direction.. :-) i'm ccing community@apache because i think portions of this discussion are important to the entire asf developer

Re: [Proposal] Jakarta Ruper

2003-02-05 Thread Costin Manolache
I'm +1 overall - but I have few sugestions and proposals. First: if it will be a jakarta project, I would like it to be all-jakarta, like gump - any jakarta ( apache ) committer should have access to it. I consider this an requirement ( I won't vote +1 without this ). I think that jakarta

Re: [Proposal] Jakarta Ruper

2003-02-05 Thread Costin Manolache
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: I would sugest proposing Version to ant. Why? It seems to me that versioning and resource updating-retriving is really tied together. Why Ant? If it gets included in ant1.5 - more people will have access to it by default, and more likely will be for other projects

Re: [Proposal] Jakarta Ruper

2003-02-05 Thread Costin Manolache
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I am not very happy with the maven layout - which includes only jars. If this is aproved - I would like it to require a layout that supports all project components. I assume ( hope ) that part of this project will be an effort to convert jakarta

Re: Proposal

2003-02-05 Thread Costin Manolache
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Can't do it. I will never collaborate on anything with Nicola Ken Barozzi. And if I have to say it in public I will. I would probably participate in anything but not with him. wow... :-( I don't know what wow means - but it is absolutely normal for any community.

Re: Logging strategy

2003-01-29 Thread Costin Manolache
The only problem is that Tapestry originally had a special, built-in web page for creating Log4J loggers (nee categories), and changing Log4J levels (nee priorities). This used addtiional methods in Log4J Logger for setting the level, and elsewhere for creating new loggers. The

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-22 Thread Costin Manolache
Stefan Hepper wrote: - Pluto is only the reference implementation for the Portlet API defined in the JSR 168 This is comparable with the tomcat being the servlet container and implementing the servlet API. Pluto itself is only a infrastructure component. All portal related functionality

RE: Forum Software.

2003-01-22 Thread Costin Manolache
James Mitchell wrote: So the suggestion is: All Users lists become forums. Developer lists stay. I will fight to my dying breath to make sure this DOESN'T happen (with what little persuation I can muster). I have come to rely deeply on these lists. +1 I spend my offline hours

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Costin Manolache
Alex McLintock wrote: At 17:41 21/01/03, you wrote: One more question: why not doing this as a subproject of JetSpeed ? It is an existing jakarta project, the scope matches - why creating a separate jakarta community instead of joining the existing one ? I assume that it would be a tool

Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

2003-01-17 Thread Costin Manolache
+1 for all. +1 for Glen Stampoultzis ( cutpasted last name :-) and Robert Burrel Donkin. Costin Sam Ruby wrote: Reorging the Jakarta PMC apparently has become an annual event. This year will be no different. I've had lengthy talks with the Apache Board, and this has caused me to

Re: Jakarta PMC report

2002-12-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: BTW - thanks for taking the time to fix the bugs in regexp, and congratulations to the jakarta-regexp team for completing the project ! :-) Thanks for being a complete idiot Costin. I meant it very seriously - I think every project should have a goal, and should

Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property

2002-12-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Sam Ruby wrote: Gump is now two years old. It has had contributions from over a dozen people, about a half-dozen this month alone. There seems to be a renewed interest in gump (some in response to a little nudging grin). Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the

Re: Jakarta PMC report

2002-12-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 2002/12/19 8:04 AM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant it very seriously - I think every project should have a goal, and should eventually reach the goal in a finite amount of time. The fact that jakarta-regexp just works and has met its goals

RE: Jakarta PMC report

2002-12-18 Thread Costin Manolache
Whenever you feel the time is right, you have my +1 :-) It would be great if it would be added in jakarta-commons. Costin Ara Abrahamian wrote: XDoclet (xdoclet.sf.net) also has some plans for moving to apache. I kept an eye on Tapestry's transition process. I'm not sure when it's the

Re: Jakarta PMC report

2002-12-18 Thread Costin Manolache
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 2002/12/18 7:36 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Such codebases (for example, regexp) are heavily depended upon and so interwoven into the fabric of many Jakarta subprojects that it is hard to imagine removing then from the ASF despite the somewhat

Re: The organization of xml.apache.org

2002-12-02 Thread Costin Manolache
On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 16:41, Sam Ruby wrote: Separate code bases with separate communities should be separate projects. Independent of the size of the codebase, if the size of the community is only a few people, then it is not an ASF project. Such efforts can be pursued outside of

Re: Mozilla mail filters

2002-11-21 Thread Costin Manolache
Pier Fumagalli wrote: Does it use the same mail verification program? Messages are delivered to my Qmail, will through SpamAssassin and McAfee for viruses, if that's what you're asking. Gmane uses a mail verification mechanism - they don't allow posting of any message until you confirm

Re: Mozilla mail filters

2002-11-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Hi Pier, Is this a feed from gmane ? Does it use the same mail verification program? Do you plan to take the whole feed ( including non apache lists )? Costin Pier Fumagalli wrote: Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vincent Massol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - how fresh are the

Re: Jakarta member seeking ASF membership

2002-10-23 Thread Costin Manolache
+1 ! While at the moment I don't seek ASF membership, I think it would be excelent if more jakarta commiters who are and have been active in this community send mail to the pmc and ask those who are members for nomination. Costin Morgan Delagrange wrote: Hi all, [from a previous thread

Re: Theft of authorship

2001-06-07 Thread Costin Manolache
I know the feeling... I don't think there is too much to do about it - the licence allows that, as long as they keep the Apache copyright. Costin --- Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jon, I am referring to otherwise honest people who choose to contribute their enhancements back to