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of how to participate for FREE:
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Above link should be enough.
More?
Some people are *boycotting* the chat conference because of issues since
about 2001(it appears that a individuals at Sun
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Sun is the final stages of collecting requirements
Sun is the final stages of collecting requirements for the releases that
will follow Tiger, which means the next 3 years. So here's your chance to
tell Sun what you would like to see in J2SE versions 6 and 7. Once we
gather all of the ideas, we can try to see if we can prioritize the list.
I
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It would have helped if I remembered to paste the link ...
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http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=20005
http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=19942
As per above I Quote:
though IBM and Motorola still voted no. There also appear to be some
disagreements within the JCP board about the licensing of these specs.
Sun
http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=20005
http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=19942
As per above I Quote:
though IBM and Motorola still voted no. There also appear to be some
disagreements within the JCP board about the licensing of these specs.
Sun
?thread_id=19942
As per above I Quote:
though IBM and Motorola still voted no. There also appear to be some
disagreements within the JCP board about the licensing of these specs.
Sun apparently plans to charge a Per unit royalty fee which will be
dependent on volume.
Doug Lea voted
they are even using the tigris style (http://style.tigris.org) CSS on
the project page (http://www.dev.java.net/servlets/ProjectList)
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
http://java.net/
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That's because it's powered by CollabNet/SourceCast, and CollabNet sponsors
Tigris. A lot of SourceCast is (or is going to be) built on top of Tigris
projects like Scarab and Subversion (IIUC).
-chris
Scott Tavares wrote:
they are even using the tigris style (http://style.tigris.org) CSS on
I'm at JavaOne following the fun around java.net and java.com.
This morning I learned more about the new developer portal
http://www.java.net. The site is edited by Tim O'Reilly and the chief
web dog is James. Tim describes himself as the Colonel Sanders of the
site, he jokes that it's really
Frank Cohen wrote:
I'm at JavaOne following the fun around java.net and java.com.
Lucky!
This morning I learned more about the new developer portal
http://www.java.net. The site is edited by Tim O'Reilly and the chief
web dog is James. Tim describes himself as the Colonel Sanders of the
Ya' i just noticed that...
Christopher Lenz wrote:
That's because it's powered by CollabNet/SourceCast, and CollabNet
sponsors Tigris. A lot of SourceCast is (or is going to be) built on
top of Tigris projects like Scarab and Subversion (IIUC).
-chris
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they are even
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On 10/06/2003 9:48 Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
or MS (http://www.gotdotnet.com/community/workspaces/directory.aspx)? Or
Sourceforge? Savannah?
Diversity is what keeps Darwin's sledgehammer away, IMHO.
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On 10/06/2003 9:48 Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
or MS (http://www.gotdotnet.com/community/workspaces/directory.aspx)? Or
Sourceforge? Savannah?
Diversity is what keeps Darwin's sledgehammer away, IMHO.
Darwin will take care of most such initiatives. But it looks like new
On 10/06/2003 13:38 Santiago Gala wrote:
Now, how does this affect our ecosystem?
*shrug*
I for one have just filed our own open source xReporter project to be
linked from java.net. I expect the requisite of having a _diverse_
community of developers doesn't exist over there, so it might be a
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On 10/06/2003 9:48 Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
or MS (http://www.gotdotnet.com/community/workspaces/directory.aspx)?
Or Sourceforge? Savannah?
Diversity is what keeps Darwin's sledgehammer away, IMHO.
Darwin will take care of most such initiatives. But
I agree. It's just like depending on a open source project on sourceforge (Gump builds
~60
projects from SF - http://cvs.apache.org/builds/gump/latest/modxref.html)
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On 10/06/2003 9:48 Nicola Ken
Vic Cekvenich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FYI: The rumor is from developers I know of a commercial J2EE
vendor that no one passes all the tests.
But since they pay, that makes you certified.
I worked for Sun Micro for almost two years, in the J2EE team, and unless
something changed
OK, when I worked for a J2EE company that got certified, developer group
I would have lunch with, they said J2EE had 2 or 3 thousand tests
or some silly #, and that hey had problems, and that test even were not
clear to the point they could not run it.
They told me that Sun said
On 28/05/2003 14:49 Erik Price wrote:
I'm genuinely curious where to draw the line between the project and the
business in this context.
... and I find your feelings to be strikingly similar to mine. After
reading the poor White whitepaper, I find the JBoss development
community to be quite
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't you think JBoss' huge success has something to do with Sun's
animosity? Every developer I know who has a say on the platform uses
JBoss: better product, better documentation, better support, lower
price.
Don't read me wrong: I'm on the
told no. Then they were told yes, but fork
up the cash. Since the money arrangements are under NDA we will never know
if IBM paid $5 and Jboss was told to cough up $100, but that's Sun. Its
funny they operate so much out of the Sun. ;-)
Shrug, but I think we're running off topic. The point
On 28/05/2003 16:09 Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
It was intended as something like one of Steven's community weather
reports (which I wish he did more often).
The more I go and check on the weather, the more I actually experience
it and want to be part of it. So rather than being a neutral weather
On Thu, 29 May 2003 12:26 am, Steven Noels wrote:
watcher, I'm becoming part of the wind itself. :-D
Yeah, prunes will do that.
Conor
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Yeah, prunes will do that.
LOL!
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FYI: The rumor is from developers I know of a commercial J2EE
vendor that no one passes all the tests.
But since they pay, that makes you certified.
Good?:
I like free software, pay for services model. It's better than pay us
for software, pay us to fix it model. Imagine all the budgeting
On 28/05/2003 9:47 Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Going back and looking at the past 5 years, actually, I think that in this
case, the guy from Sun actually has a point (Rudy? Who the hell is he?).
Oddly enough in the J2EE/JBoss saga, I don't see Sun as being the bad guys
(but ok, some of us and Mark go
At 08:47 AM 5/28/2003 +0100, you wrote:
On 28/5/03 0:26 Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good: http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=19500
Hm...
Evil:
http://www.shiftat.com/blog/page/werner/20030527#sun_reaffirms_no_jboss_at
Indeed... Mark Fleury _is_ evil.
He has
At 10:08 AM 5/28/2003 +0200, you wrote:
On 28/05/2003 9:47 Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Going back and looking at the past 5 years, actually, I think that in this
case, the guy from Sun actually has a point (Rudy? Who the hell is he?).
Oddly enough in the J2EE/JBoss saga, I don't see Sun as being
On 28/5/03 9:08 Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sun should be happy that people create cheap implementations of their
APIs. If their own implementations would be any better, they might also
be making money of them. ;)
Nothing against that, absolutely, but voices are saying that JBoss
understand Pier's reservations. This doesn't mean SunBE is
right on this, however. The fact a (pardon me) marketing lowlife
believes he can silently get away with that is once again a great
occasion to help such people see the cluetrain is arriving.
Do you think Sun Microsystems cares one bit about
do hope JBoss - the
project- can attract non-JBG LLC-funded committers.
Last week at NLUUG, there was a guy with no real liaison with JBoss
(http://www.josvisser.nl/), who gave a perfectly enjoyable talk on JBoss
- the project. In this particular case, I feel to see how Sun would not
want JBoss
away with that is once again a great
occasion to help such people see the cluetrain is arriving.
I *would* agree if the other vendors weren't being permitted. I fail to see
what compliance should have to do with it. Its a Javapolis not a J2EEpolis.
Do you think Sun Microsystems cares one
. In this particular case, I feel to see how Sun would not
want JBoss - the project - being presented at a (large) Java users
conference.
That¹s not really the point. A JUG wanted, Sun used a mallet. It shouldn't
be Sun's decision.
-Andy
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I fail to see what is the difference between JBoss Group LLC and any other
private/public corporation developing a J2EE solution...
Neither do i, provided that corporation gives you their j2ee server for free, with no
strings
attached; you don't
the posted link, I
found it strange that the talk was held at an alternate location
(normally NEJUG meetings are held at the nearby Burlington Sun campus).
Now I can take a guess as to why.
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Evil:
http://www.shiftat.com/blog/page/werner/20030527#sun_reaffirms_no_jboss_at
Glad these guys don't sponsor my JUG. I hope Apache can continue to assert
a high level of independence despite Sun's shift to a more Machiavellian
, such as SUN, in the real world, will always mean
that in order to build trust and communicate effective, that certain
things will be restricted to members@ or someother well identified body.
Dw
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On 3/04/2003 1:24 Roy T. Fielding wrote:
Does anyone know why JBoss isn't being granted the scholarship? I
read the Happiness is here today JCP 2.5 announcement
(http://java.sun.com/features/2002/10/new_jcp.html) again and it says
qualified achedemic, non-profit and opensource members.
I am
, non-profit and opensource members.
While I realize that this isn't an Apache opensource project, it was my
understanding that Apache had invested a great deal of effort in getting
Sun to open up the JCP and enact these reforms. I would hate to thing
and be very disappointed if they were not being
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Who is on the current scholarship board? Any apache folks? Are you
able to comment?
Yes, Apache is on the scholarship board.
If you want to discuss this further, you might consider joining the
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- Sam Ruby
Yes, Apache is on the scholarship board.
If you want to discuss this further, you might consider joining the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.
The problem is that I might inadvertantly receive information covered by
apache's non-disclosure agreements with Sun. This could limit my
economic
understanding that Apache had invested a great deal of effort in
getting Sun to open up the JCP and enact these reforms. I would hate
to thing and be very disappointed if they were not being applied
fairly.
We did. Under the old rules, JBOSS would not be allowed to implement
a compatible
-disclosure agreements with Sun. This could limit my
economic viability in the future should I wish to implement a
technology which competes with Sun. Would it be possible to have a
list set up for those who are either not members or whom do not wish
to be bound by such agreements to discuss
realize that this isn't an Apache opensource project, it was
my understanding that Apache had invested a great deal of effort in
getting Sun to open up the JCP and enact these reforms. I would hate
to thing and be very disappointed if they were not being applied fairly.
We did. Under the old rules
I've suggested this time and again, making a jcp-discussion list where
no NDA-covered information would be submitted, but there never is any
interest.
Okay.
If you are interested now - Sam, could you do the honors?
+1
geir
-Andy
- Sam Ruby
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Yes, Apache is on the scholarship board.
If you want to discuss this further, you might consider joining the
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The problem is that I might inadvertantly receive information covered by
apache's non-disclosure agreements with Sun. This could
We've been through this before. The list is has no Sun employees on
it. It has only Apache members. They make decisions on behalf of the
ASF. You can choose to no longer be a member of the ASF. You can
choose not to participate. At the moment, you have chosen the former
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
We've been through this before. The list is has no Sun employees on
it. It has only Apache members. They make decisions on behalf of the
ASF. You can choose to no longer be a member of the ASF. You can
choose not to participate. At the moment, you have chosen
On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 07:06 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
We've been through this before. The list is has no Sun employees on
it. It has only Apache members. They make decisions on behalf of
the ASF. You can choose to no longer be a member of the ASF. You
can
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
What should we call this proposed list?
jcp-open?
Done.
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such as say someone posts some NDA'd
spec for a VM as part of some JSR you're working on and I then go and
start working on Mono and Sun takes my house for disclosing..
(possibly without me even reading it)
That isn't possible. Even if you were to read secret information, you
cannot be sued
What should we call this proposed list?
jcp-public
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to port Java to a new platform?
Get special permission from Sun, and don't plan on having public
CVS (see the FreeBSD experience).
There's nothing open about that.
Jeff
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I don't really want or need to see Microsoft's code. What I
would like to see is their file formats
Excel open with 4 (yes
four) workbooks at one time...
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Yeah... Maybe they can make it not crash for reasonable
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 09:18, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Because its more stable and runs faster under Linux than Star/OpenOffice?
Sadly, MS Word under CrossOver Office is more stable on my Linux
workstation at work than OpenOffice. Hopefully this will change.
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support Sun, Open Source, and all good manufacturar in our nice world :)
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and buy another kid from the stors?!!
support Sun, Open Source, and all good manufacturar in our nice world :)
Why in the heck would I want to support Sun blindly? What's in it for
me? Why would I want to
support manufacturers ambivilently?
-Andy
-mohammad
Amen, Brother. Kill this thread!
At 01:50 AM 12/14/2002 +1100, you wrote:
Brian McCallister wrote:
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 09:18, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Because its more stable and runs faster under Linux than Star/OpenOffice?
Sadly, MS Word under CrossOver Office is more stable on my Linux
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 06:42:36PM +0200, mohammad nabil wrote:
support Sun, Open Source, and all good manufacturar in our nice world :)
Do you just not grasp that Sun's rigid control of Java is the
antithesis of Open Source, and _especially_ the Apache philosophy?
Try forking the Java
On 13/12/02 20:00 Jeff Schnitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 06:42:36PM +0200, mohammad nabil wrote:
support Sun, Open Source, and all good manufacturar in our nice world :)
Do you just not grasp that Sun's rigid control of Java is the
antithesis of Open Source
Sun is exactly what Microsoft would be if it were short a few billion
dollars. To think otherwise is to
significantly deceive ones self.
-Andy
Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 06:42:36PM +0200, mohammad nabil wrote:
support Sun, Open Source, and all good manufacturar in our
To suggest that Sun [t]here's nothing 'open' about Sun is not very
insightful. Compare them to Microsoft, for example. You need to speak in
ways that at least pass the laugh test. Sun deserves one hell of a lot of
credit.
At 02:44 AM 12/14/2002 +, you wrote:
On 13/12/02 20:00 Jeff
.
It briefly outlines how the JCP is screwing up the way that Sun manages
Java.
-jon
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12/10/02 08:26 AM
Did you guys see in the news that Office 11 will have standard compliant XML
schemas for Word and Excel files??? --DD
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Did you guys see in the news that Office 11 will have
standard compliant XML schemas for Word and Excel files??? --DD
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java if what they see is the same as what they do :)
Scott
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Did you guys see in the news that Office 11
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Yeah... Maybe they can make it not crash for reasonable
sized files...
That
would be compliant..
-Andy
Scott Sanders wrote:
Just like the news had Office 10, 9, 8, and 7 will all these XML
compliance features?
Office 11
I particularly liked what this judge had to say:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34tmpl=fcin=Techcat=Microsoft_Antitrus
t_Trial
-Scott-
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That they can use such a strategy at all is enough
Thats cool,
Makes the judge look like the kind of guy who only understands life by analogy with
sport though.
I suppose American judges aren't any less insane than ours then. ;-)
d.
I particularly liked what this judge had to say:
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That is funny James. I really wonder if Aaron can truly believe we
are so
dim-witted
cc:
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is Redhat Linux Professional Server any different
from what you can download for free. If so how can they get away
with that?
Funnily enough this is the second time I've been asked this in a month, and what I
reckon is...
It comes complete ready to install with tested kernel patches and
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I am sorry that you think of yourself as one to be believed as
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you have some issues you would like to talk about?. Isn't it ironic how
everyone continues bash MicroSoft because they
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12/10/02 08:26 AM
Hi Aaron,
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Asunto: Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
Geir,
I appreciate the intelligent response. I have a
question though, what
happens when you pour your heart and soul into building a
product, and make
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I'd also like to see all that provided royalty free and unencumbered by
patents, submarine or otherwise. I haven't really flirted with the whole
C#/.NET thing but this seems to remain a question mark over Mono and even
the ECMA standardization.
C# is just another language, without .NET and
The first boot from a heroin dealer is always free. 8^)
Chuck
i take care :D
also, if the community decided to make things in C# then you should give
Python, Eifel, COBOL, FORTRAN, ASSEMBLY, and any programming language
a try, and compile all programs into these languages too, heh we have
) in the November
Java Developers Journal that I suggest you read.
It briefly outlines how the JCP is screwing up the way that Sun manages
Java.
-jon
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i will leave Apache system if you used any Micro$oft products.
when you support Micro$oft you help in KILLING an open source project :'(
From someone using a msn.com email account...
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licensing java, that is just gravy, although they would like to start making more
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i will leave Apache system if you used any Micro$oft products.
when you support Micro$oft you help in KILLING an open source project :'(
From someone using a msn.com email
From : mohammad nabil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i will leave Apache system if you used any Micro$oft products.
when you support Micro$oft you help in KILLING an open source project
:'(
From someone using a msn.com email account...
-Vladimir
it is for free Mr.Colombo Holmez :)
why not?!! ;)
it is for free Mr.Colombo Holmez :)
why not?!! ;)
There are other free email accounts (like yahoo! - running on FreeBSD)
Don't you think that there is a correlation between the number of
msn.com users and how much M$ charges for ads on its msn.com website,
and reselling your address so that
Being involved with the JCP quite closely, yes, I tend to
agree... And since
now C# is also available for OS/X, well, I'm game! :-)
Me too, I may have to learn c# anyway to continue doing stuff for a client of mine who
is abandoning OS in favour of M$*.
Plus I'd be happy to help OS C#
At 04:31 PM 12/6/2002 +, you wrote:
Being involved with the JCP quite closely, yes, I tend to
agree... And since
now C# is also available for OS/X, well, I'm game! :-)
Me too. Not much else to do to protect oneself actually. I don't buy into
all the talk that Sun is being stupid
M$ clearly has financial motives. What they are should be clarified.
At 08:16 AM 12/6/2002 -0800, you wrote:
it is for free Mr.Colombo Holmez :)
why not?!! ;)
There are other free email accounts (like yahoo! - running on FreeBSD)
Don't you think that there is a correlation between the number
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