Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon dates

On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 08:31:47PM +0200, David Neary wrote: > > Carol wrote: > >perhaps Mr. Neary can publish a list of people he will "allow" to attend > >so that those people who are not allowed will not waste their time? > > Open to the public means open to the public. I'd love you to come, b

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon dates

Carol wrote: perhaps Mr. Neary can publish a list of people he will "allow" to attend so that those people who are not allowed will not waste their time? Open to the public means open to the public. I'd love you to come, but not as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ly

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon dates

On Wednesday 14 September 2005 04:16, Carol Spears wrote: > this is the first smile i have had this week which was not about the > tidyness of gimp workspaces. Where the tidiness value isn't necessarily positive? (-: Cheers; Leon -- http://cyberknights.com.au/ Modern tools; traditional dedi

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon dates

On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:42:56PM +0200, David Odin wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 12:07:25PM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 04:00:58PM +0200, David Odin wrote: > > > > > > The dates for the next GimpCon are march 17h-18th-19th 2006. > > > > > > Please have a look at ht

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon dates

On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 12:07:25PM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 04:00:58PM +0200, David Odin wrote: > > > > The dates for the next GimpCon are march 17h-18th-19th 2006. > > > > Please have a look at http://wiki.gimp.org/GimpCon and confirm if you > > will come as soon as p

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon dates

On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 04:00:58PM +0200, David Odin wrote: > > The dates for the next GimpCon are march 17h-18th-19th 2006. > > Please have a look at http://wiki.gimp.org/GimpCon and confirm if you > will come as soon as possible, > perhaps Mr. Neary can publish a list of people he will "allow"

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon dates

Hi! As I said, I am looking forward to come. I could give a talk about siox - whatever people want to hear about it. Regards, Gerald On 9/13/05, David Odin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > The dates for the next GimpCon are march 17h-18th-19th 2006. > > Please have a look at http://wiki.

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon dates

On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 04:00:58PM +0200, David Odin wrote: > Hi, > > The dates for the next GimpCon are march 17h-18th-19th 2006. > > Please have a look at http://wiki.gimp.org/GimpCon and confirm if you > will come as soon as possible, > Sorry, the correct link is http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp

[Gimp-developer] GimpCon dates

Hi, The dates for the next GimpCon are march 17h-18th-19th 2006. Please have a look at http://wiki.gimp.org/GimpCon and confirm if you will come as soon as possible, Cheers, DindinX -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] D[4],n,d,*T,l,L;main(i,v)char**v;{if(i<3)return;L=atoi(v[1]);l=atoi(v[2]);T= a

[Gimp-developer] GIMPCon 2004 in Norway

Hello gimp lists, We are getting close to have the GIMPCon 2004 in Norway and I would like to say that I am going to GIMPCon, at the same time I would like to ask who else is going to Norway? So now to the point of this mail. It would be good if we could have a small meeting conserning the websit

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMPCon

Hi, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: Well, I think we should discuss the road map (or whatever you prefer to call it) for the release to come after 2.2 (2.4? 3.0?). We need to talk about stuff like PDB rewrite, GEGL integration, next generation XCF, plug-in policies etc. Is anyone actually working on a

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMPCon

Dave Neary wrote: Hi all, In a mail I just sent off, I said we should have some information about what we plan to do at GIMPCon... What do we plan to do at GIMPCon? I'd like to say that, for the record I won't be able to attend GimpCon. I simply don't have the time or money at the moment (and

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMPCon

Hi, On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 11:06, Dave Neary wrote: > In a mail I just sent off, I said we should have some information about > what we plan to do at GIMPCon... > > What do we plan to do at GIMPCon? Well, I think we should discuss the road map (or whatever you prefer to call it) for the release

[Gimp-developer] GIMPCon

Hi all, In a mail I just sent off, I said we should have some information about what we plan to do at GIMPCon... What do we plan to do at GIMPCon? Cheers, Dave. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/li

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)

On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 12:00:51PM +0100, David Neary wrote: > I want to start a new thread to get this discussion (which I > consider important) back on track. > > LOCATION > > So far there are 5 propositions in various stages of development, > each of which has some + points and some - points.

Re: [Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)

Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: > I expect that 2004 will see another Hackmeeting but the webpage > doesn't mention a date nor a place yet: > http://www.hackmeeting.org/2003/history_en > Perhaps someone knows more about the plans for 2004. I heard a lot of > good things about past Hackmeetings and it woul

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)

Hi, Branko Collin wrote: > Sven suggested (IIRC), Hacking Extreme , the > follow-up event to Hackers At Large in 2001, but that is of course > still more than one and a half year away. The advantage, from what I > understood, and IIRC, was that it tied into a networked c

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)

David Neary wrote: Also, I think local LUGs and any GUG's should be invovled with our gimpcon. It would be a great place for user-developer exchange. And a great place to teach everyone more about using the gimp. This might increase your number estimates. FACILITIES What facilities do we ne

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:00:51 +0100, David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So far there are 5 propositions in various stages of development, > each of which has some + points and some - points. > 1) GUADEC > 2) Lyon > 3) London > 4) Dublin > 5) Chemnitz > > Are there others? We need volunteers.

Re: [Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)

Hi, David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In this case, what IT events do people know of in the timescale > we're looking at? GUADEC obviously fits, the Chemnitz event is a > little early for my tastes, but is certainly an option. What other > events are there that people know about? Well, t

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)

On 21 Nov 2003, at 12:00, David Neary wrote: > I want to start a new thread to get this discussion (which I > consider important) back on track. > > LOCATION > > So far there are 5 propositions in various stages of development, each > of which has some + points and some - points. 1) GUADEC 2) Ly

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)

Hi Henrik, thanks for the feedback. Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > > LOCATION > > Personally I think it would be best to piggy-back on an existing event > given that the organizers wouldn't mind, of course. This would give us > the benefit of an existing infrastructure. In this case, what IT ev

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)

Hi, On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 12:00, David Neary wrote: > I want to start a new thread to get this discussion (which I > consider important) back on track. Good idea. > LOCATION > > So far there are 5 propositions in various stages of development, > each of which has some + points and some - points

[Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)

I want to start a new thread to get this discussion (which I consider important) back on track. LOCATION So far there are 5 propositions in various stages of development, each of which has some + points and some - points. 1) GUADEC 2) Lyon 3) London 4) Dublin 5) Chemnitz Are there others? We nee

[Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004

Hi all, A while back (quite a while actually) I tried to start a discussion about where we might have next year's GimpCon. There were 2 main ideas - the first is to stage something more or less standalone - 20 odd people turn up somewhere and talk about the GIMP for 4 days. The second is to piggy-

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 3:33 PM -0400 8/14/03, Carol Spears wrote: So this combination would answer your LAB & CMYK issues and possibly my need to use a greater than 256 color palette then? No, it would not. ICC profiling is a VERY different thing that actual "raw" CMYK or Lab da

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

At 2:13 PM -0700 8/14/03, Manish Singh wrote: > Never implemented a file format, have you ;). What widely used formats have you implemented? :) Well, let's see... I'm responsible for the design & implementation of the StuffIt archive file format (.sit), MacBinary III, AppleSingle & AppleDoub

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

From: Leonard Rosenthol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Nathan Carl Summers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: The Gimp Developers' list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:40:51 -0400 At 8:45 AM -0700 8/12/03, Nathan Car

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:38:01AM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: > At 8:12 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: > >On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 10:53:14PM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: > > > At 6:51 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: > >> >Does TIFF support, for example, float16 data, or a CIE X

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

At 9:33 PM -0400 8/13/03, Carol Spears wrote: The last time I got the mng libraries, they came along with liblcms. Are you sure that liblcms does not do all of this? A quick reread of the PNG/MNG format reveals that you can use ICC profiles, but NOT CMYK, Lab or other color spaces. That's why

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 10:53:14PM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: > At 6:51 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: > >Does TIFF support, for example, float16 data, or a CIE XYZ colorspace? > > Yes to both... Hmm, got a reference to that? It wasn't immediately apparent in my reading of the

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

At 8:12 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 10:53:14PM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: > At 6:51 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: >Does TIFF support, for example, float16 data, or a CIE XYZ colorspace? Yes to both... Hmm, got a reference to that? It wasn't immedia

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 10:16:13AM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: > At 11:42 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: > >Supports IEEE floats, but not float16 (a 32-bit float cut in half). R&H > >added this to filmgimp since they had established this format in their > >workflow with other tools alrea

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

Carol Spears wrote: However, I read recently about artifacts appearing in compressed pngs, so this might not be the miracle fix I had hoped for. !!! Where did you see that? PNG uses a lossless compression scheme - if there are 'artifacts' in the image that were not there when the image was give

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

At 11:42 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: Supports IEEE floats, but not float16 (a 32-bit float cut in half). R&H added this to filmgimp since they had established this format in their workflow with other tools already. Why would you only use half of a 32bit float?? That reduces your accura

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 8:26 PM -0400 8/13/03, Carol Spears wrote: What about mng? It contains png and has layers and comments. Yes, but still has the limitations of no-CMYK (Lab, ICC, etc.) colorspaces (among other things) out of the box... Has anyone considered going to the PNG maint

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

At 6:51 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: Does TIFF support, for example, float16 data, or a CIE XYZ colorspace? Yes to both... I'm somewhat concerned with going with an externally standardized format, then running into a wall with it at some later point, and not being able to add a feature

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:33:50AM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: > >why would i want to save to a file format that would render my image > >that's built up of layer masks and vector text layers really badly > >if opened in a standard viewer > > Because at least you COULD open it up in a

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: > >I see fast loads as an absolute requirement. > > Then we need to also look at the GIMP itself and what can be > done there. Of course. > >Hopefully, GIMP's file handling will improve to the point where it will > >load thing on an as-needed ba

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

At 3:33 PM -0400 8/14/03, Carol Spears wrote: So this combination would answer your LAB & CMYK issues and possibly my need to use a greater than 256 color palette then? No, it would not. ICC profiling is a VERY different thing that actual "raw" CMYK or Lab data... Paletizing of an image is a

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:42:36 -0700, Manish Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:38:01AM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: > > At 8:12 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: > > >What's the turnaround time for that? Taking weeks or months isn't really > > >acceptable... > > >

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

At 3:03 AM + 8/14/03, Phil Harper wrote: the last thing Adobe wants to do is support XCF, it's a competing format belonging to a competing(and competatively priced) app. Actually, the fact that it comes from GIMP has NOTHING to do with. The fact that few (if any) of theirs users are asking

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

From: Leonard Rosenthol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Phil Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:54:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 At 11:42 PM + 8/13/03, Phil Harper wrote: well, it'

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 6:51 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: Does TIFF support, for example, float16 data, or a CIE XYZ colorspace? Yes to both... I'm somewhat concerned with going with an externally standardized format, then running into a wall with it at some later point, and

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 9:33 PM -0400 8/13/03, Carol Spears wrote: The last time I got the mng libraries, they came along with liblcms. Are you sure that liblcms does not do all of this? A quick reread of the PNG/MNG format reveals that you can use ICC profiles, but NOT CMYK, Lab or o

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: > At 11:42 PM + 8/13/03, Phil Harper wrote: > >well, it'd be interesting to see if Adobe added XCF to Photo$hop, > >after all, GIMP is the competition, it wouldn't be in their > >interests to support a multilayered image format that it controlled >

[Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

Several XCF formats have already been proposed; why should I propose another? It seems to me like the existing proposals have all missed the main point. While they have nice properties for certain extreme cases, they miss the boat when it comes to the main point of a graphics format, which is to

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 8:26 PM -0400 8/13/03, Carol Spears wrote: What about mng? It contains png and has layers and comments. Yes, but still has the limitations of no-CMYK (Lab, ICC, etc.) colorspaces (among other things) out of the box... The last time I got the mng libraries, they

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 11:42 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: GEGL uses XYZ as a native format. Why? Lab is a richer model esp. for handling chromanicity and is also a standard in the print world natively. Why limit to XYZ?? I am not sure what you mean by a "richer model." L

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

At 8:26 PM -0400 8/13/03, Carol Spears wrote: What about mng? It contains png and has layers and comments. Yes, but still has the limitations of no-CMYK (Lab, ICC, etc.) colorspaces (among other things) out of the box... Seems to be basically unmaintained. PNG/MNG/JNG is fully supported and m

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

Phil Harper wrote: From: Leonard Rosenthol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Nathan Carl Summers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: The Gimp Developers' list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:40:51 -0400 At 8:45 AM -0700 8/12/

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 08:54:55PM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: > At 11:42 PM + 8/13/03, Phil Harper wrote: > >as for TIFF, you wouldn't be able to do it in a standard readable TIFF, > > This, however, is wrong! We can represent EVERYTHING in > GIMP today, and EVERYTHING for GEGL (

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

At 6:13 AM -0700 8/14/03, Nathan Carl Summers wrote: AFAICT, there is nothing stopping Gimp developers from creating a potatoshop plugin that can read XCF. That is definitely true! Absolutely nothing prevents this - and certainly sounds like a great idea for someone... > You could get that ju

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

At 11:42 PM + 8/13/03, Phil Harper wrote: well, it'd be interesting to see if Adobe added XCF to Photo$hop, after all, GIMP is the competition, it wouldn't be in their interests to support a multilayered image format that it controlled by someone else(although they might support PSP, i don't

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

At 8:45 AM -0700 8/12/03, Nathan Carl Summers wrote: > Not necessarily. You should be able to do it with any format with a good catalog system, but some will be easier than others. How would you handle resizes? Either we could do immediate compaction or garbage collection. Both have their disa

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

Good to get some high-quality feedback. On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: > At 6:01 PM -0700 8/8/03, Nathan Carl Summers wrote: > >Let us start with an existing graphics format, for inspiration if nothing > >else. > > OK. > > > >The format I chose is PNG, because it is arguably th

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

At 6:01 PM -0700 8/8/03, Nathan Carl Summers wrote: Let us start with an existing graphics format, for inspiration if nothing else. OK. The format I chose is PNG, because it is arguably the best existing lossless portable graphics format available. Well, I would argue that TIFF has the "crown".

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

At 4:37 PM -0700 8/9/03, Nathan Carl Summers wrote: > Trees, yes - for things like layers. But why a graph?? GEGL supports graphs. If we use GEGL graphs, we'll need a representation ;) Ah... I haven't seen/used GEGL - just keep hearing about it here on the list as the new "imaging engine".