Re: [Gimp-developer] jpeg-exif continued

2005-01-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, William Skaggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven: What is akward about it? Passing, say, an ExifData struct to a plug-in is awkward. Calling a function and giving it a pointer is simpler, and much faster too. And then there's all the extra baggage of registering a plug-in etc. I agree

Re: [Gimp-developer] jpeg-exif continued

2005-01-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Robert L Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know I've been making a nuisance of myself about this, but PLEASE at least provide a way to turn this query off. Robert, we are at the very beginning of the development cycle and are discussing the basics. The query is off-topic right now.

[Gimp-developer] mbox archive of [gimp-devel] 2004 and 2005

2005-01-15 Thread Gerhard Gaußling
Hello, I subscribed today to gimp-developers, and I need at least the archives for January 2005 in mbox format (b- or gziped). http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer has got only the archives until 2003. Thank you Kind regards Gerhard Gaußling

Re: [Gimp-developer] jpeg-exif continued

2005-01-15 Thread William Skaggs
Sven: I agree that for a C plug-in a library is easier to use but we will also have to care about plug-ins written in other languages. Making the functionality available in the PDB solves this nicely. What we usually do is to provide wrappers that let the procedure call appear as a simple

Re: [Gimp-developer] mbox archive of [gimp-devel] 2004 and 2005

2005-01-15 Thread William Skaggs
Gerhard Gau�ling wrote: I subscribed today to gimp-developers, and I need at least the archives for January 2005 in mbox format (b- or gziped). http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer has got only the archives until 2003. It's broken. See

Re: [Gimp-developer] mbox archive of [gimp-devel] 2004 and 2005

2005-01-15 Thread Gerhard Gaußling
Am Samstag 15 Januar 2005 18:07 schrieb William Skaggs: It's broken.  See http://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html for other archives. Hello Bill, Thank you for the hint, but unfortunately there is nothing to find for downloading in mbox format :-( regards Gerhard

[Gimp-developer] Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Gerhard Gaußling
Sven Neumann wrote: If we don't convert the image at load time, all plug-ins that change colors would have to be aware of the color-space the image is in. Since this is not the case for the time being, it would probably be a bad idea to not convert the image. As soon as we go further down the

Re: [Gimp-developer] jpeg-exif continued

2005-01-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, William Skaggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree that for a C plug-in a library is easier to use but we will also have to care about plug-ins written in other languages. Making the functionality available in the PDB solves this nicely. What we usually do is to provide wrappers that let

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread David Neary
Hi Gerhard, Gerhard Gaußling wrote: I'm not a Programmer, but isn't it possible to make a plug-in which load's the icc information at a first step, to offer the user the ability to decide in which way he wants to handle the file regarding it's color space? It would be possible to do the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Gerhard Gauling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that the suggestions made by Hal V. Engel and Jan-Peter Homann (a well known color management consultant in Germany, afair also a member of the eci.org maillist, a very good resource for cms knowledge) are very important for a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...Sven has expressed a desire that color management be kept out of the core in the past. You misunderstood me then. Managing colors does of course belong into the core but I would like to keep the implementation out of the core. The idea is to be

[Gimp-developer] Re: Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Gerhard Gauling
Hello David, BTW: Using the gmane.org newsserver and a news client seems to be a good alternative to the mbox archive ;-). David Neary wrote: [...] Gerhard Gaußling wrote: I'm not a Programmer, but isn't it possible to make a plug-in which load's the icc information at a first step, to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Hal V. Engel
On Saturday 15 January 2005 13:21, David Neary wrote: Hi Gerhard, Gerhard Gaußling wrote: I'm not a Programmer, but isn't it possible to make a plug-in which load's the icc information at a first step, to offer the user the ability to decide in which way he wants to handle the file

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Gerhard Gauling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay, so I assume, that my (and Hal's and Jan-Peter's) suggestions have to wait for the release after GEGL? For a new rendering-engine further to GEGL? GIMP 3.0? Why? Almost everything you listed can already be done in GIMP. It's just a bit

[Gimp-developer] Re: Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Gerhard Gaußling
Sven Neumann wrote: You misunderstood me then. Managing colors does of course belong into the core but I would like to keep the implementation out of the core. The idea is to be able to use different color management systems and not to restrict ourselves to lcms. GEGL seems to offer just the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Hal V. Engel
On Saturday 15 January 2005 14:42, Gerhard Gaußling wrote: snip For example, if you convert from adobeRGB into sRGB and viceversa several times, you wouldn't receive the original color impression never more, it's lost, and there for in poor quality (comparable with the jpeg lossy

[Gimp-developer] Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Gerhard Gaußling
Hello Sven, thank you for your reply! Sven Neumann wrote: Gerhard Gaußling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay, so I assume, that my (and Hal's and Jan-Peter's) suggestions have to wait for the release after GEGL? For a new rendering-engine further to GEGL? GIMP 3.0? Why? Almost everything

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Alastair M. Robinson
Hi Gerhard, Gerhard Gaußling wrote: What kind of softproof is available? Hmm.. I can nothing similar find here. It took me a while to find it too - it's under the View - Display Filters. In the resulting dialog you can choose from a number of filters, including Colour Proof. When we were

[Gimp-developer] Re: Re: Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Gerhard Gaußling
Hal V. Engel wrote: snip For those that are new to color management and would like to understand this better from a CM users perspective I would like to recommend that a good starting point is http://www.normankoren.com/color_management_2.html#Implementation%3C/A%3EHere,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Gerhard Gauling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What kind of softproof is available? Hmm.. I can nothing similar find here. Go to View-Display Filters and enable the Display Proof filter. Please, I'm sorry for my sad english, and I hope this all doesn't sounds to rude. I wanted only spend

[Gimp-developer] Re: Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Gerhard Gaußling
Sven Neumann wrote: Go to View-Display Filters and enable the Display Proof filter. Thanks to you and Alastair to pointing that out, I'm quite impressed! Even the rendering intends are there! So I'm pleased that there is some work going on in this direction. In the GEGL TODO there is shown 0%

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Alastair M. Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When we were discussing colour management a few months back, I hacked the Colour Proof filter to do a normal working-profile - monitor-profile transform, and it worked pretty well. Yes, it's a shame that you never submitted this for

Re: [Gimp-developer] Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Gerhard Gaußling
Am Samstag 15 Januar 2005 23:42 schrieb Gerhard Gaußling: Photoshop lets pop up a dialog where the user can decide the kind of conversion he will do for the pasted/dragged image Of course only if the source color space of the imported (pasted/dragged) image is different from the working color

[Gimp-developer] Re: Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Gerhard Gaußling
Hello Sven, Sven Neumann wrote: - display profile should be adjusted _once_ systemwide (every time changeable by systemwide color preferences independant from the GIMP, as used by (e.g.)scribus [1], inkscape [2], sodipodi[3] wine e.g. for Photoshop and maaybeee by commercial apps available for

[Gimp-developer] Re: Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Gerhard Gaußling
Sven Neumann wrote: Stefan Döhla sent me a patch last year that implements this and I will probably base the changes on that. The settings he suggested are: - use CM or not - display profile - default workspace profile - default rendering intent for color conversion + from workspace to 

[Gimp-developer] Re: Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Gerhard Gaußling
Gerhard Gaußling wrote: + from workspace to printer (should default to us: webcoatedSWOP for ads (coated paper) and europe: isocoated.icc (also coated paper) Only as a suggestion, please keep it flexible! * perceptual for pictures * relative colorimetric for most other work) agreed,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Color Management was GEGL development/gimp integration

2005-01-15 Thread Hal V. Engel
On Saturday 15 January 2005 17:37, Sven Neumann wrote: snip Let's try to implement this in small steps then. As a first step I would like to add a couple of options to the preferences to allow users to define default locations for color profiles, to enable/disable color management and to set a