[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
George Farris wrote: On Thu, 2006-02-03 at 12:00 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, the new GTK open/save dialogue has been subject to many critics, in Gnome and in Gimp. Gimp developers have tried to implement fixes for most of the annoyances. But the dialogue is still quite bothering. However, the blame is to be put on the gnome HIG, not on Gimp developers. Just my 0.02 euro cents, as a user. I love the open/save dialogue. What specifically are people having trouble with? Having the places tied into these dialogs is great and I can add remove these bookmarks as I like. Is it the functionality or the UI? PS: This is just curiosity I'm not trying to start a war. Checking the mailing list shows that the two main complaints are: 1- the absence of the keyboard navigation with tab completion that was in 1.x. This can be actually activated by CTRL-L but no-one can actually find this shortcut naturally, so everyone will at least complain once about it. Also, the file name completion is different from before, and some may find it less practical but this is very subjective (I preferred the old one, and I think tab should definitely be used for file-name completion to have a consistent interface). 2- the lack of way to have the file type and other folder navigation portions of the dialogue always opened. It is quite bothering for many users to have to click every time on the little + in order to choose the file format or the file location. Users do not always want to have to remember the extensions for every file format around, neither they feel normal in a modern interface to have to type them. Simply making this a preference or remember the last state would probably solve the issue. From what I can gather of reading the mailing-lists for users, developers and windows port, while the gimp own part of the interface as much improved in the last years (preview for plugin / docks / window management / image window top-menu), the compliance to the HIG has raised a lot of bitterness in the community. But this is not a gimp issue. Linus Torvalds, in his own funny way, has pin-pointed the problem a few months ago. However, I have already said too much, this is flamewar material ;) Regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Tiling a picture
Hi! I would like to make a poster out of a picture, but not in one piece. I have many small frames hanging on a wall and I would like to place one part of the original image in each frame, in such a way that when all the frames are placed side by side the original picture would appear. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could split an image into an arbitrary number of pieces, specifying at the same time the size of those pieces? Thanx a lot! Vassilis. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Hi, Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From what I can gather of reading the mailing-lists for users, developers and windows port, while the gimp own part of the interface as much improved in the last years (preview for plugin / docks / window management / image window top-menu), the compliance to the HIG has raised a lot of bitterness in the community. Can you please stop spreading this nonsense? The GNOME Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) have not much, if anything, to do with the way the file chooser dialog looks and feels. Please read the guidelines before you talk about them. Making GIMP more HIG compliant has led to more consistent and more pleasantly looking dialogs and has substantially improved the usability of the application. I have not yet heard any valid complaints about this step. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: [GUG] Identifying Fonts
Hi, Colin Brace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another problem is is that there is no visible indication that a text object is selected. When a text layer is active, the text object is displayed with a box around it, whether it is selected or not. Every time I try to move a text object, 75% of the time I end up moving the underlying canvas, and I have to keep undoing and clicking on the text object until I succeed in selecting *just it*. I go through this every time I create text, since inevitably the text is not positioned where I want it when I first add it. Have you considered using the cursor keys to reposition the text layer? Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Hi, Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1- the absence of the keyboard navigation with tab completion that was in 1.x. This can be actually activated by CTRL-L but no-one can actually find this shortcut naturally, so everyone will at least complain once about it. Also, the file name completion is different from before, and some may find it less practical but this is very subjective (I preferred the old one, and I think tab should definitely be used for file-name completion to have a consistent interface). The new dialog IMO has better keyboard navigation than the old one. It is just different. And no, I am not speaking about the Ctrl-L dialog. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From what I can gather of reading the mailing-lists for users, developers and windows port, while the gimp own part of the interface as much improved in the last years (preview for plugin / docks / window management / image window top-menu), the compliance to the HIG has raised a lot of bitterness in the community. Can you please stop spreading this nonsense? The GNOME Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) have not much, if anything, to do with the way the file chooser dialog looks and feels. Please read the guidelines before you talk about them. Making GIMP more HIG compliant has led to more consistent and more pleasantly looking dialogs and has substantially improved the usability of the application. I have not yet heard any valid complaints about this step. Sven Sven, Complaints about the dialogue pop up every single month on the 3 mailing lists I have mentioned. You can refuse to read them, but then do not accuse people who read them to mention them when specifically ask to in a thread. And, for your information, I have read the HIG. Listen, Sven, could you also please read the mails you respond to? I have clearly stated twice in this thread that the interface is better now than before. So we do agree on this point. Best regards, Olivier. PS: If the HIG do not prevent improving the open/save dialogues, then I guess it _will_ be improved further. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Von: Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] From what I can gather of reading the mailing-lists for users, developers and windows port, while the gimp own part of the interface as much improved in the last years (preview for plugin / docks / window management / image window top-menu), the compliance to the HIG has raised a lot of bitterness in the community. Can you please stop spreading this nonsense? The GNOME Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) have not much, if anything, to do with the way the file chooser dialog looks and feels. Please read the guidelines before you talk about them. Making GIMP more HIG compliant has led to more consistent and more pleasantly looking dialogs and has substantially improved the usability of the application. I have not yet heard any valid complaints about this step. Complaints about the dialogue pop up every single month on the 3 mailing lists I have mentioned. You can refuse to read them, but then do not accuse people who read them to mention them when specifically ask to in a thread. You're claiming that the GIMP UI has improved, but following the HIG wasn't something that was welcomed in the community. But following the HIG was what has caused the improvements. Your claim, as written here, is quite generic, and it seems like you totally disagree with it. You should be more specific about the things you disagree with. HTH, Michael -- Bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten sparen: GMX SmartSurfer! Kostenlos downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Michael Schumacher wrote: Von: Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] From what I can gather of reading the mailing-lists for users, developers and windows port, while the gimp own part of the interface as much improved in the last years (preview for plugin / docks / window management / image window top-menu), the compliance to the HIG has raised a lot of bitterness in the community. Can you please stop spreading this nonsense? The GNOME Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) have not much, if anything, to do with the way the file chooser dialog looks and feels. Please read the guidelines before you talk about them. Making GIMP more HIG compliant has led to more consistent and more pleasantly looking dialogs and has substantially improved the usability of the application. I have not yet heard any valid complaints about this step. Complaints about the dialogue pop up every single month on the 3 mailing lists I have mentioned. You can refuse to read them, but then do not accuse people who read them to mention them when specifically ask to in a thread. You're claiming that the GIMP UI has improved, but following the HIG wasn't something that was welcomed in the community. But following the HIG was what has caused the improvements. Your claim, as written here, is quite generic, and it seems like you totally disagree with it. You should be more specific about the things you disagree with. HTH, Michael I disagree with your interpretation of my messages. :) So I will try to reformulate this in another way to avoid the misunderstandings: 1- Gimp UI has improved. I never said the opposite. Clear? 2- The new GTK file dialogue has raised many complaints. see for instance the thread called Bring back the keyboard. 3- Most of the complaints have been addressed (regarding point 2). 4- There are still some points which raise complaints. 2 are mentioned in the thread: a) the need of an obscure key combo to access the file completion navigation. b) the fact that the folder navigation (and perhaps) the file type chooser are not directly accessible. Please keep in mind the reason for my messages: One person asked for points he could discuss/investigate for an article about the UI. I suggested to show the improvements for previous version. Then I was asked what were the points still generating complaints. I listed what are the two most frequent one in my opinion. And gimp developers fall on me as if I had said that I preferred 1.2.x interface. I never said that. I said that there are areas where the new interface still has not reached the old one. That you and Sven do not agree with the complaints does not make those complaints disappear. I was asked what are the complaints. I listed them. My opinion is irrelevant. They exist. They pop up every once in a while. It is a stubborn fact. Best regards, Olivier PS: And in case it is not clear after me writing it 4 times now: The Gimp UI has improved since 1.2.x. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 14:36 +0100, Olivier Ripoll wrote: a) the need of an obscure key combo to access the file completion navigation. There is no key combo to access file completion. Just start typing. b) the fact that the folder navigation (and perhaps) the file type chooser are not directly accessible. Can you elaborate on this a little? I don't think I understand this one. cheers -- Jakub Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell, Inc. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Hi, Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Complaints about the dialogue pop up every single month on the 3 mailing lists I have mentioned. You can refuse to read them, but then do not accuse people who read them to mention them when specifically ask to in a thread. The only point that I have a problem with is that you make the Human Interface Guidelines responsible for the design of the file chooser. I don't see how the two are related except perhaps for small details like the amount of padding around the action buttons. The other problem is that this is the wrong list to discuss file chooser issues. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Jakub Steiner wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 14:36 +0100, Olivier Ripoll wrote: a) the need of an obscure key combo to access the file completion navigation. There is no key combo to access file completion. Just start typing. Indeed. You are right. This is recent, isn't it ? What is the use of CTRL-L now ? However, there is no visual hint that typing the filename will do something. Having the text entry field would make it clear. b) the fact that the folder navigation (and perhaps) the file type chooser are not directly accessible. Can you elaborate on this a little? I don't think I understand this one. Sure. It would be welcome that the select file type and browse for other folders be opened by default. Or that they would remember they last state or that this option could be selected by the user. cheers Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, [...] The other problem is that this is the wrong list to discuss file chooser issues. Sven This was not my aim. I wanted to suggest to Paul Bloch, that in his article about usability for OsNews, he mentions the fact that the UI of Gimp has improved from the 1.x time, and that continuous work is being done on it. Unfortunately, I dared to say that the present situation was not yet perfect, as the ML traffic could suggest. Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Von: Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] I disagree with your interpretation of my messages. :) Please keep in mind the reason for my messages: One person asked for points he could discuss/investigate for an article about the UI. I suggested to show the improvements for previous version. Then I was asked what were the points still generating complaints. I listed what are the two most frequent one in my opinion. PS: And in case it is not clear after me writing it 4 times now: The Gimp UI has improved since 1.2.x. Unfortunately you excluded the HIG issue in your reply. As you point out, this is most likely becoming the source for an article about the GIMP GUI. Should it then be that easy to get to a totally different interpretation of your message? I doubt that someone who doesn't know the HIG and the changes in the GIMP GUI that were caused by following these guidelines is able to understand your message correctly. The one issue you're complaining about is the file chooser - I know why you're doing this, I did so myself initially (I have changed my opinion in the meantime). But you made it sound like following HIG is a bad thing in general - I think it wasn't your intention, but as I wrote before, you avoided to give a straight answer to this yet. HTH, Michael -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! Feel free mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Hi, Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indeed. You are right. This is recent, isn't it? No, this has been the case starting with the very first version of the file chooser. And I keep pointing people to it over and over again. However, there is no visual hint that typing the filename will do something. Sure, discoverability of this feature is somewhat poor. But most GTK+ tree and list views allow to be navigated using typeahead. The file-chooser behaves consistently. Sure. It would be welcome that the select file type and browse for other folders be opened by default. Or that they would remember they last state or that this option could be selected by the user. When do you need to use Select file type? Perhaps we should just remove it, but then there are some very rare cases where it is needed. A solution would be to ask the user for the file-type in case it cannot be determined automatically. That would effectively move the file-type selection to an extra dialog that most users would never see. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sure. It would be welcome that the select file type and browse for other folders be opened by default. Or that they would remember they last state or that this option could be selected by the user. When do you need to use Select file type? Perhaps we should just remove it, but then there are some very rare cases where it is needed. A solution would be to ask the user for the file-type in case it cannot be determined automatically. That would effectively move the file-type selection to an extra dialog that most users would never see. Select file type is useful when: 1- when you want to save to a format, and do not know if gimp can open/save it. 2- you do not remember the extension of the file type. jpeg, tiff, png, gif and xcf are easy to remember, but what is the extension for exotic formats ? Actually, even jpeg and tiff are tricky. Is it jpeg or jpg ? tif or tiff ? In that case, the file type selector is practical. But I agree you can remove it. But if and only if the browse dialogue is opened. Because this dialogue contains its own drop-down that duplicates the functionality. However, if the browse dialogue is closed (I am talking about the save as window), there is no interface hint for the user of where/how to filter the file type. I know it is not the right place for it, but anyway, I will go if off-list-topic mode to describe what I think could be considered to improve the file selectors. The type-ahead could be improved greatly by - having the - key doing the same functionality as the return key. or having it doing file name completion (see next point). - having a completion of file names to the common part (that is, if I have foo1.jpg and foobar.jpg, I type f, then press the completion key and automatically foo is displayed). - displaying only the files corresponding to the typed string in the file list. I have 50 files, but as soon as foo is typed, only foo1.jpg, foobar.jpg and food.png are shown. another possible one: - having the - key going up in one directory in the tree. And additionally, at least on windows, typing .. or ..\ does not allow to go up in the directory tree (by up, I mean towards the root or C: directory). I cannot check yet on my linux computer at home. So it probably is a windows-only bug. So what is probably a gimp-relevant comment is: Making the open and save dialogue appearance persistent between sessions. I _always_ want to have the browse dialogue opened. I need it. The state is preserved within one gimp session. Why couldn't it be preserved as a preferences. And why are the dialogues for icm/icc profile selection (unstable gimp) and folders in the preferences using a different file selector (no file type drop-down, different window sizes) ? Sure it could be made more consistent. Best regards, Olivier PS: And by the way, the article in OSNews would be a perfect place to explain the interface. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Michael Schumacher wrote: Unfortunately you excluded the HIG issue in your reply. As you point out, this is most likely becoming the source for an article about the GIMP GUI. Should it then be that easy to get to a totally different interpretation of your message? I doubt that someone who doesn't know the HIG and the changes in the GIMP GUI that were caused by following these guidelines is able to understand your message correctly. The one issue you're complaining about is the file chooser - I know why you're doing this, I did so myself initially (I have changed my opinion in the meantime). But you made it sound like following HIG is a bad thing in general - I think it wasn't your intention, but as I wrote before, you avoided to give a straight answer to this yet. Hi Michael, The HIG in itself is not a bad thing in general. MacOS has one, KDE has one, Windows most likely has one. But it should be interpreted as guidelines and above all, as a work in progress itself. When an interface that results of several years of interaction user-developer differs from the HIG that has just a few years of existence, maybe the interface should be changed, maybe the HIG should be changed, or maybe to quote Captain Barbossa: - the Code is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules. Best regards, Olivier. HTH, Michael ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Open Save dialog
On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 02:53:11PM +0100, Jakub Steiner wrote: There is no key combo to access file completion. Just start typing. this can bite you though. here is the case where it fails miserably: the dialog shows up and the name in the location area is highlighted. expand the twisty for the advanced file location and move to a different location in your directories. once you and the file selector are where you want the image to be, start typing. a little box appears that accepts text and the highlighted text in the location area remains highlighted/unfocused. is it a search that is triggered by that? whatever happens, the dialog accepts the typed text in the new weird and slightly unintuitive (still, sorry) text window and after you have finished typing what you want the file to be named, the new area disappears with no saving having been accomplished. as a user, you say wtf! (to yourself since it is not correct procedure to express opinions about the designer). click in the location area. the highlighting goes away. rehighlight it and retype your file name. i like the new file selector. it is easy like that now. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Hi, Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And why are the dialogues for icm/icc profile selection (unstable gimp) and folders in the preferences using a different file selector (no file type drop-down, different window sizes) ? Sure it could be made more consistent. This is so silly. Why should a folder selection dialog have a file type drop-down and why should the dialog care about the size you have last used on your File-Open dialog? Please ignore the color profile choosers. They are supposed to be replaced by something completely different. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And why are the dialogues for icm/icc profile selection (unstable gimp) and folders in the preferences using a different file selector (no file type drop-down, different window sizes) ? Sure it could be made more consistent. This is so silly. Why should a folder selection dialog have a file type drop-down and why should the dialog care about the size you have last used on your File-Open dialog? Answer for the size: because of the bookmark list on the left. If you have some bookmarks there, the window that opens is too small to show all the bookmarks. Then you have a scrollbar or two appearing (one vertical, one horizontal). Bad for usability. If you use the same window+dialogue geometry as the open dialogue, then you have usually set this window to a sane geometry (no need for scrollbars in the bookmark area). Also, I think consistency is better if similar windows look the same. This would also apply to some plugins (lighting effects, imagemap, ...) but I do not have problems with the size of their dialogues. I have it with the export/import path dialogues though. Too small. Please ignore the color profile choosers. They are supposed to be replaced by something completely different. A flying circus ? Best regards, und shoenes wochenende für alles. Olivier Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest - Open Save dialog
On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 06:16 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed. You are right. This is recent, isn't it ? What is the use of CTRL-L now ? However, there is no visual hint that typing the filename will do something. Having the text entry field would make it clear. Not to put to fine a point on it but almost very application out there including GIMP has key combos that are not visible. Just a point of interest not meant to be flaming:-) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest - Open Save dialog
George Farris wrote: Indeed. You are right. This is recent, isn't it ? What is the use of CTRL-L now ? However, there is no visual hint that typing the filename will do something. Having the text entry field would make it clear. Not to put to fine a point on it but almost very application out there including GIMP has key combos that are not visible. Of course they do, and I don't think anyone objects to having them. The problem is that you need to use an undocumented and very non-obvious procedure to accomplish something that was easy and obvious before. The GTK team deserves credit for taking up the considerable challenge of making a more usable desktop. But in this case they've blown it: they fixed something that IMHO was not broken, for the sake of the non-technical users they hope to attract to the GNOME platform, and at the expense of *actual* users who, for the most part, have no trouble typing /path/to/whatever and would like to be able to do so with a minimum of fuss. -- Matt Gushee The Reluctant Geek: http://matt.gushee.net/rg/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Newbie alert - please be gentle!
At the risk of asking what is probably THE most obvious question of the year, here goes: I downloaded and installed GimpShop. I'm running Mac OS-X version 10.4.5. I also downloaded X11user.pkg from Apple and attempted to install it. However, during the install, I got a message stating You cannot install X11 on this volume. Newer Software already exists on your computer. However, using Spotlight to locate any X11 files only found com/ apple.x11.plist in my preferences. Attempting to launch GimpShop on the assumption that if some version of X11 was already installed, it should run, produced a Failed to start X11 message. Any and all clues gratefully accepted. Thanks, Paul North ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Newbie alert - please be gentle!
Am 03.03.2006 um 23:36 schrieb Paul North: At the risk of asking what is probably THE most obvious question of the year, here goes: I downloaded and installed GimpShop. I'm running Mac OS-X version 10.4.5. I also downloaded X11user.pkg from Apple and attempted to install it. However, during the install, I got a message stating You cannot install X11 on this volume. Newer Software already exists on your computer. However, using Spotlight to locate any X11 files only found com/ apple.x11.plist in my preferences. Attempting to launch GimpShop on the assumption that if some version of X11 was already installed, it should run, produced a Failed to start X11 message. despite you are asking at the completely wrong place (this is neither a gimpshop nor a OS X list), you should have a look into / Applications/Utilities/X11.app. If it's not there you whether never installed it, or trashed it somehow. In any case get your OS X install media and reinstall the X11 package. Then try again. If it does not work doublecheck with another X11 program like gimp (gimp- app.sf.net) and ask your preferred OS X community :) HTH lexA Any and all clues gratefully accepted. Thanks, Paul North ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user --- Live is like a chocolate box, you never know what you wanna get... GPG Signatur auf http://wernicke-online.net/Impressum/ prüfen PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Tiling a picture
On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 01:48:55PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I would like to make a poster out of a picture, but not in one piece. I have many small frames hanging on a wall and I would like to place one part of the original image in each frame, in such a way that when all the frames are placed side by side the original picture would appear. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could split an image into an arbitrary number of pieces, specifying at the same time the size of those pieces? the guillotine plug-in splits an image along guides that the user puts into place. if your question is about resizing, i think that would be a separate step. one of the problems with the guillotine plug-in is that all it does is split the image into many images. it does not save the pieces. gimp-perl and gimp-python each have an image slicer that slices the image, saves the pieces and writes some flavor of html or another. it is easier to answer the simple interpretation of your question. if this has failed, please expand your explanation some (even though the answer will probably be no, not yet). carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest - Open Save dialog
Hi, Matt Gushee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The GTK team deserves credit for taking up the considerable challenge of making a more usable desktop. But in this case they've blown it: they fixed something that IMHO was not broken, for the sake of the non-technical users they hope to attract to the GNOME platform, and at the expense of *actual* users who, for the most part, have no trouble typing /path/to/whatever and would like to be able to do so with a minimum of fuss. Have you ever tried to type /path/to/whatever into a GTK+ file-chooser dialog? Can there be any less fuss? Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest - Open Save dialog
Sven Neumann wrote: they fixed something that IMHO was not broken, for the sake of the non-technical users they hope to attract to the GNOME platform, and at the expense of *actual* users who, for the most part, have no trouble typing /path/to/whatever and would like to be able to do so with a minimum of fuss. Have you ever tried to type /path/to/whatever into a GTK+ file-chooser dialog? Can there be any less fuss? You mean GTK2? Okay, now I see that it works. But people like me who have been using GUIs since the mid-80s are accustomed to having a text entry widget to type into. When there is no such widget, people ... well, I don't know about 'people', but I tend to assume that text input is not allowed. So maybe the new dialog isn't so bad after all ... but how are users supposed to know they can type in a path? -- Matt Gushee The Reluctant Geek: http://matt.gushee.net/rg/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Gimp garbage cleaning query
Hello guys, How do I prevent gimp from saving thumbnails? Like the ones stored in: C:\Documents and Settings\User\.thumbnails\normal How can I delete recent files without going through them one by one in Document History? Is this stored somewhere where I can delete them as a batch? Where does Gimp store it's temporary files? Does Gimp autoclean/delete them? Thanks! -- Jed R. Mallen GPG key ID: 81E575A3 fp: 4E1E CBA5 7E6A 2F8B 8756 660A E54C 39D6 81E5 75A3 http://jed.flowhost.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Newbie alert - please be gentle!
Thanks, Robert. I'll have to install X11 from the Tiger DVD. I've already discovered that people are a bit sensitive about Gimpshop. Another Gimp-user poster wrote: I appreciate your help. Gimpshop is my first foray into the world of Gimp. I'm hoping to use it in place of an aging version of Photoshop, primarily for optimizing images for a website. Cheers! Paul On Mar 3, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Robert Citek wrote: Hello Paul, Welcome to the Gimp. On Mar 3, 2006, at 4:36 PM, Paul North wrote: Attempting to launch GimpShop on the assumption that if some version of X11 was already installed, it should run, produced a Failed to start X11 message. Any and all clues gratefully accepted. As you've discovered, in order to run Gimp (or GimpShop, which is based on Gimp) you first need to have X11 installed. If it is installed it will be in Applications Utilities X11.app. If it is not installed, it should be on the Tiger DVD that you got either with the machine or purchased separately. This is what worked for me: 1) insert Tiger DVD 2) click on Mac OS X Install DVD Optional Installs.mpkg 3) when you get to Installation Type, click on Applications X11 3b) While you're there you may also want to install the Gimp printer drivers: Printer Drivers Gimp Printer Drivers 4) click Upgrade 5) enter your user password (you must be in the Admin group) 6) click Close when you're finished You should be good to go after that. Let us know if that works for you and what you hope to do with Gimp. BTW, some folks here are a bit touchy about mentioning Gimpshop. So, if you ask a question, be sure to say Gimp instead. The answers you get will need to be adjusted for the difference in menu structure and key bindings, but otherwise things will work the same. Regards, - Robert http://www.cwelug.org/downloads Help others get OpenSource software. Distribute FLOSS for Windows, Linux, *BSD, and MacOS X with BitTorrent ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Tiling a picture
Not sure if this is exactly what you mean, but there's a tutorial at http://www.yorkspace.com/2005/08/28 on fitting digital pictures into one of those collage frames with a bunch of different sized holes in it. hth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I would like to make a poster out of a picture, but not in one piece. I have many small frames hanging on a wall and I would like to place one part of the original image in each frame, in such a way that when all the frames are placed side by side the original picture would appear. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could split an image into an arbitrary number of pieces, specifying at the same time the size of those pieces? Thanx a lot! Vassilis. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user -- Rob Russell http://rr.latenightpc.com/wp/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest - Open Save dialog
One other nit-pick: I can't just paste text for the path, I have to start typing first then I can paste. With a text widget, well, the path acts like any other text. Matt Gushee wrote: Sven Neumann wrote: they fixed something that IMHO was not broken, for the sake of the non-technical users they hope to attract to the GNOME platform, and at the expense of *actual* users who, for the most part, have no trouble typing /path/to/whatever and would like to be able to do so with a minimum of fuss. Have you ever tried to type /path/to/whatever into a GTK+ file-chooser dialog? Can there be any less fuss? You mean GTK2? Okay, now I see that it works. But people like me who have been using GUIs since the mid-80s are accustomed to having a text entry widget to type into. When there is no such widget, people ... well, I don't know about 'people', but I tend to assume that text input is not allowed. So maybe the new dialog isn't so bad after all ... but how are users supposed to know they can type in a path? -- Rob Russell http://rr.latenightpc.com/wp/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
