Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Dave H writes: Hello Dave, > There is one at Nabble - http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/ ? Thanks for the info, although my comment was just a joke...usually discussion of people not happy with the mailing lists turns into suggestion to create web forum as panacea for all the problems. :-D But, we won't feed this thread any more. ;) Sincerely, Gour -- Many, many births both you and I have passed. I can remember all of them, but you cannot, O subduer of the enemy! ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Gour, There is one at Nabble - http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/ ? Cheers Dave H. On 13 April 2018 at 01:57, Saša Janiška wrote: > George Riner writes: > > > I also am subscribed to about 20 email lists and Gnucash was the only > > one that did *not* have bracketed tag in the subject line. > > I still haven't seen list of mailing clients which are *not* capable to > perform filtering by List-Id and if it is really such a problem, maybe > the solution is to turn mailing lists into web forum? > > > Sincerely, > Gour > > -- > As fire is covered by smoke, as a mirror is covered by dust, > or as the embryo is covered by the womb, the living entity is > similarly covered by different degrees of this lust. > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
George Riner writes: > I also am subscribed to about 20 email lists and Gnucash was the only > one that did *not* have bracketed tag in the subject line. I still haven't seen list of mailing clients which are *not* capable to perform filtering by List-Id and if it is really such a problem, maybe the solution is to turn mailing lists into web forum? Sincerely, Gour -- As fire is covered by smoke, as a mirror is covered by dust, or as the embryo is covered by the womb, the living entity is similarly covered by different degrees of this lust. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 07:14:36AM -0700, George Riner wrote: > I also am subscribed to about 20 email lists and Gnucash was the only one > that did *not* have bracketed tag in the subject line. +1 -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/contact.php #include ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
I also am subscribed to about 20 email lists and Gnucash was the only one that did *not* have bracketed tag in the subject line. : George -- -- -- Sent by Droid. On April 12, 2018 1:34:08 AM PDT, "Saša Janiška" wrote: >William Bixby writes: > >> I'm surprised at the objections, as my experience is that mail lists >> adding the list ID in the subject is the 'norm' and very common. The >> few, like gnucash was, that don't are the outlier. > >I follow about 20 mailing lists and gnucash-users is the only one >having >prefix. > >For those which do not want or can't use Gmane, they ca filter either >locally or at the server level by using List-ID, so I simply do not see >the reason for this poor-man's filtering... > > >Sincerely, >Gour > >-- >While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person >develops attachment for them, and from such attachment lust >develops, and from lust anger arises. > >___ >gnucash-user mailing list >gnucash-user@gnucash.org >To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >- >Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
William Bixby writes: > I'm surprised at the objections, as my experience is that mail lists > adding the list ID in the subject is the 'norm' and very common. The > few, like gnucash was, that don't are the outlier. I follow about 20 mailing lists and gnucash-users is the only one having prefix. For those which do not want or can't use Gmane, they ca filter either locally or at the server level by using List-ID, so I simply do not see the reason for this poor-man's filtering... Sincerely, Gour -- While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops attachment for them, and from such attachment lust develops, and from lust anger arises. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 10:17:59 -0500 Adrien Monteleone wrote: > My questions were rhetorical as I noted in a later reply to him. I > knew what his mail client was and what its abilities are. (I could > see it in the header) My point was that if he wants to ‘filter’ his > mail, he has the tools to do so and they are not difficult to use. In > fact, in his reply, he noted that he does physically filter mail into > some 80 folders with about 154 different filtering rules. He just > doesn’t *feel* like doing it with the list. 'He' is obviously me, and you are misrepresenting my words. Neither truthful nor nice, Adrien. I do indeed filter this list. It is filtered into the same folder I filter all my other mailing lists into, heck I even have a dedicated email address just for mailing lists, it just doesn't get its own folder as I prefer it that way. This is a preference not laziness. I also prefer to buy my meat at a market rather than hunt my own dinner, even though I could easily do the latter: I have 'the tools to do so and they are not difficult to use' in your words. Would you have a problem with that preference, also? The prefix addition was a GOOD change. Leave it alone. Ralph ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
On 04/11/2018 11:17, Adrien Monteleone wrote: Seriously? Everyone has to have this tag added because *some* people either don’t know how or don’t *want* to use the features of their own e-mail client? even in our small group, you must have seen that some people want this feature to do the filtering. this very type of tag (id within brackets at start of subject) is used often in filtering. but according to you, the manner they are filtering (based on email subject) is not an acceptable way to use an email client. i would hope the email list would try to limit the barriers to people using any client they want in any manner they want. this is not extendable all the way down to each individual tweak: but this particular feature (subject tagging) is wanted by more than a single individual. Could you imagine what GnuCash would look like if the devs treated the app the same way? If they added (or removed) features, or re-arranged the UI simply because some people don’t *feel* like using it the way it was designed and intended to be used? first: why do you get to decide how email is "intended to be used?" (you don't) second: an email subject is not the same thing as an application (although there are some similarities) third: the gnucash dev[s] probably would like to make the application as useful to as many people as possible. this is a guess on my part as i am not one and do not in any way speak for them. of course, as volunteer devs, there are limits of time energy and interest that may prevent some of these changes from being implemented. again, this bracketed id in the email subject is a very common feature of very many email lists. it's never been used for gnucash (until now). people have responded that it's helpful to them. others have thought it's annoying or an example of people not using their email clients in the "correct" manner. so it becomes an issue among the members to decide for themselves how to use the list. to me the change offers benefits to many of the subscribers. and the downside (6 extra chars in subject [including space]) does not seem to take anything away from the functioning of the list to deliver news and conversation about gnucash. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17:59AM -0500, Adrien Monteleone wrote: > My questions were rhetorical as I noted in a later reply to him. I knew what > his mail client was and what its abilities are. (I could see it in the > header) My point was that if he wants to ‘filter’ his mail, he has the tools > to do so and they are not difficult to use. In fact, in his reply, he noted > that he does physically filter mail into some 80 folders with about 154 > different filtering rules. He just doesn’t *feel* like doing it with the list. > Another user seemed to imply that his mail client could not do filtering. I > found excerpts (and provided links) to the manual which described > specifically how to manage mailing-list mail. Perhaps he wasn’t aware of this > feature. I haven’t heard back. I was aware of it; but that is not how I wanted to see email from a list. I want the original sender preserved (that is sometimes relevant) but also an indication of which list -- the [GNC] does that very nicely - as does the equivalent on all other lists that I am subscribed to. > Seriously? Everyone has to have this tag added because *some* people either > don’t know how or don’t *want* to use the features of their own e-mail client? Different people want/do things differently. This list now works as most other lists do. If you dislike it that much - can you not get your MUA to remove it ? It is clear that consensus will not be reached - which is why I did not reply to you earlier. -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/contact.php #include ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Adrien: You have hit the nail on the head! Given all the time given to this thread, I think it is high time to end it. It has been a hugh distraction from what this list is all about. Just my $.02 worth. Les On 04/11/2018 10:17 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: I think this thread also illustrates that how people hit ‘reply/reply-all’ and to which message can break threads. So far I think it has at least 5 parts. I’d have to look at the archive page to be sure. Now we’re at a point where people are replying to broken off or stalled sections of the thread. My questions were rhetorical as I noted in a later reply to him. I knew what his mail client was and what its abilities are. (I could see it in the header) My point was that if he wants to ‘filter’ his mail, he has the tools to do so and they are not difficult to use. In fact, in his reply, he noted that he does physically filter mail into some 80 folders with about 154 different filtering rules. He just doesn’t *feel* like doing it with the list. Another user seemed to imply that his mail client could not do filtering. I found excerpts (and provided links) to the manual which described specifically how to manage mailing-list mail. Perhaps he wasn’t aware of this feature. I haven’t heard back. Seriously? Everyone has to have this tag added because *some* people either don’t know how or don’t *want* to use the features of their own e-mail client? Could you imagine what GnuCash would look like if the devs treated the app the same way? If they added (or removed) features, or re-arranged the UI simply because some people don’t *feel* like using it the way it was designed and intended to be used? On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:44 AM, johnny wrote: hi On 04/10/2018 17:17, Adrien Monteleone wrote: What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag mail? Can it not handle mailing-lists? isn't that up to each of us to decide what client to use? and how to manage our own email flows? shouldn't it be irrelevant to this discussion? or maybe this is "tech shaming" in some way to cloud the issue? (also revealing about humans that this issue generates the most traffic [although 3.0 upgrade was a big one too]) ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
I think this thread also illustrates that how people hit ‘reply/reply-all’ and to which message can break threads. So far I think it has at least 5 parts. I’d have to look at the archive page to be sure. Now we’re at a point where people are replying to broken off or stalled sections of the thread. My questions were rhetorical as I noted in a later reply to him. I knew what his mail client was and what its abilities are. (I could see it in the header) My point was that if he wants to ‘filter’ his mail, he has the tools to do so and they are not difficult to use. In fact, in his reply, he noted that he does physically filter mail into some 80 folders with about 154 different filtering rules. He just doesn’t *feel* like doing it with the list. Another user seemed to imply that his mail client could not do filtering. I found excerpts (and provided links) to the manual which described specifically how to manage mailing-list mail. Perhaps he wasn’t aware of this feature. I haven’t heard back. Seriously? Everyone has to have this tag added because *some* people either don’t know how or don’t *want* to use the features of their own e-mail client? Could you imagine what GnuCash would look like if the devs treated the app the same way? If they added (or removed) features, or re-arranged the UI simply because some people don’t *feel* like using it the way it was designed and intended to be used? > On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:44 AM, johnny wrote: > > hi > > > On 04/10/2018 17:17, Adrien Monteleone wrote: >> What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag mail? Can >> it not handle mailing-lists? > isn't that up to each of us to decide what client to use? and how to manage > our own email flows? shouldn't it be irrelevant to this discussion? > > or maybe this is "tech shaming" in some way to cloud the issue? > > (also revealing about humans that this issue generates the most traffic > [although 3.0 upgrade was a big one too]) > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
hi On 04/10/2018 17:17, Adrien Monteleone wrote: What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag mail? Can it not handle mailing-lists? isn't that up to each of us to decide what client to use? and how to manage our own email flows? shouldn't it be irrelevant to this discussion? or maybe this is "tech shaming" in some way to cloud the issue? (also revealing about humans that this issue generates the most traffic [although 3.0 upgrade was a big one too]) ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
hola On 04/10/2018 16:20, listreader wrote: The prefix is EXTREMELY useful to me. So add me to the 'approve' side of your tally. me too. and really- what is all this bitching about? 5 extra chars at the front of an email subject ... humans have a great ability to not see what is right in front of their faces. talk to some of your least favorite family members or acquaintances if you don't believe me. so just use those skills to ignore this filtering prefix that is widely used and appreciated and very helpful to many of the list readers. thank you ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
I also prefer keeping the subject prefix. Ray On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone < adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote: > Ralph, > > What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag mail? > Can it not handle mailing-lists? > > Regards, > Adrien > > > On Apr 10, 2018, at 3:20 PM, listreader wrote: > > > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 22:00:33 +0500 > > "David T. via gnucash-user" wrote: > > > >> I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far, > >> and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change. > >> > >> In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have > >> expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest > >> of objectivity, I am one of this group.] > >> > >> It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on > >> the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies > >> prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three > >> times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it. > > > > Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my > > experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' > > they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the > > same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater. > > > > I subscribe to around 20 very busy mailing lists, all intentionally > > sent to the same mailbox folder so as not to interfere with all my > > other more urgent business and personal mailbox folders, and all but > > GnuCash have always used a subject prefix. (including one which uses the > > useless/annoying '[Users]' as its prefix but that is another story). > > The prefix is EXTREMELY useful to me. So add me to the 'approve' side > > of your tally. > > > > Ralph > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
I can see the X-mailer header. I’m aware of Claws Mail. The questions were rhetorical, sorry. Interesting though that you have 154 filters shoveling mail into 80 folders (with 28 of them top level) yet you prefer to ‘filter’ gnucash-user without any of that... You’re right, this is ridiculous. Regards, Adrien > On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:10 PM, listreader wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 16:17:55 -0500 > Adrien Monteleone wrote: > >> What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag >> mail? Can it not handle mailing-lists? > > Hello Adrien... > > Mail clients are usually identified in the email header (X-mailer, > User-Agent, or etc) so I'm not sure why you are asking since mine is > right there in front of you but whatever. You can see that mine is > Claws Mail. And, yes, of course it can filter, tag, and/or handle > mailing lists. It is, in fact, likely the most configurable gui mail > client there is in any OS, though I myself hardly use it to it's maximum > capabilities. > > I'm an old timer, left over from arpanet days, so I 'live' in email > probably far more than most people nowadays. I use 3 mail servers: (1) > my cable isp, (2) a 'free mail' provider whose name doesn't start with > the letter 'g', and (3) my owned domain's mail server. > > I 'filter' at the server level, I have completely separate email > accounts for many of my contacts, a different address for each, and > where volume is low to a particular contact, I use aliases, again at > the server level. This is supplemented at the client level with 154 > additional filters (yeah, I actually just counted them for this > message), some of which have multiple if/or sub-filters, all ending up > in 28 main folders with additional sub-folders below some of those, 80 > folders in total, not counting archive and spam folders. I think > that's enough, thanks, don't need more. So I prefer to 'filter' the > mailing list folder with just my eyes. > > And this discussion is all now so ridiculously off-topic to this list's > purpose that maybe we need a new subject prefix '[GNC-OT]' for 'off > topic' discussions, so we can filter it out :-) > > Ralph > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 07:11:43 +0500 D wrote: > I am fully aware of the limitations of self-selected surveys and > their validity of gauging sentiment. I was not intending to submit my > research to any peer reviewed journals. I *will* note that the > replies to my own non-scientific survey continue to trend at about > three to one against, which, while not necessarily statistically > valid, nevertheless tends to indicate an overall negative view of the > decision. > > I am more concerned that these changes were implemented at the urging > of (at the time) a grand total of TWO individual requests, all > without any request for feedback from the rest of the readership. And > now, when it has been raised as an issue, I'm not hearing any > indication of a reversal. > > So, if I suggest that the list prefix should use emojis instead > (like, say, [👻👀]), and someone (perversely) agrees with that, will > that get implemented? It is distinctive, and one third shorter than > "GNC", after all. Hello David... I personally find the Prefix VERY useful, as explained in another post, but I could if I wished simply code a pre-processing of the incoming gnucash-user emails to add a '[GNC]' to the subject if it wasn't there, probably would take me a few seconds to do so, I just never thought to do so before. Likewise, you could write a pre-process that removes the '[GNC]' on your incoming emails if you so desired, assuming your email client supports it. IMHO, this is NOT a real issue to get aggravated about. Anyway, in my 'just a user' opinion this also isn't really the way to go about it. A technical mailing list is not a democratic institution. Take it up with the mailing list administrator directly, off list, and leave the list for actual GnuCash discussions. Just my 2 and 3/4 cents (inflation, you know...) Ralph ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 16:17:55 -0500 Adrien Monteleone wrote: > What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag > mail? Can it not handle mailing-lists? Hello Adrien... Mail clients are usually identified in the email header (X-mailer, User-Agent, or etc) so I'm not sure why you are asking since mine is right there in front of you but whatever. You can see that mine is Claws Mail. And, yes, of course it can filter, tag, and/or handle mailing lists. It is, in fact, likely the most configurable gui mail client there is in any OS, though I myself hardly use it to it's maximum capabilities. I'm an old timer, left over from arpanet days, so I 'live' in email probably far more than most people nowadays. I use 3 mail servers: (1) my cable isp, (2) a 'free mail' provider whose name doesn't start with the letter 'g', and (3) my owned domain's mail server. I 'filter' at the server level, I have completely separate email accounts for many of my contacts, a different address for each, and where volume is low to a particular contact, I use aliases, again at the server level. This is supplemented at the client level with 154 additional filters (yeah, I actually just counted them for this message), some of which have multiple if/or sub-filters, all ending up in 28 main folders with additional sub-folders below some of those, 80 folders in total, not counting archive and spam folders. I think that's enough, thanks, don't need more. So I prefer to 'filter' the mailing list folder with just my eyes. And this discussion is all now so ridiculously off-topic to this list's purpose that maybe we need a new subject prefix '[GNC-OT]' for 'off topic' discussions, so we can filter it out :-) Ralph ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
To be fair, and as I noted in another reply, not often around these parts. But I have seen it on other lists. The most likely case would be devs from other projects (maybe GTK) getting involved in a discussion on the gnucash-devel list. However, I see the dev list now has their own tag, which is quite odd since I’ve yet to see a developer chime in support of this. The ones I recognize so far are all not particularly keen on it. I sure hope no one posts to both -dev and -user for the same message. What will we get when replies start flying from and to each? Oh, I take that back, I just stopped to check that list, and it seems JohnR cross-posts release announcements to both. (And possibly -announce as well) Tick-tock... Regards, Adrien > On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Adrien Monteleone wrote: > >> I can see how cross-posted messages would turn into tag soup if every list >> followed this behavior. > > Adrien, > > Without intending to take the thread onto a different track, how common > are corss-posted messages? Where are they cross-posted? I've not seen any, > on any mail list to which I'm subscribed. > > Rich > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
My copy of that message shows Dave copied you directly, you’re probably looking at that version which is why there are no associated list headers. You don’t need three separate filters. I attached a screenshot of the rules I set way back earlier in the thread. (as have others) the tl;dr is you just set three ‘any’ conditions, one each on To, CC, and From ‘contains’ ‘gnucash-user’ then either tag or file away as desired. You could probably even manage something that pre-pends the [GNC] if you like. It’s not difficult. We’re all people using double entry accounting for crying out loud. If we can manage that, we can manage e-mail filtering and tagging. Regards, Adrien > On Apr 10, 2018, at 8:44 PM, William Bixby wrote: > > Interesting, in my emails from Gnucash I do not see any headers with tags > mailing-list > mailed-by > > On most of them I see a tag > List-id > But that is not a field I can filter on from my ISP > > In this message from Dave I see my email as the to: and > Gnucash Users > The only lists I see in my inbox today with a mailing-list tag are from > yahoo-groups. > > So the filters Dave suggests would be incomplete, a CC is also needed. > Maybe also a 'From' just to be sure? > > The emails from the list seem to have a variety of header forms, perhaps > depending on the mailers used for the reply, or the reply-to or reply-list or > reply-all forms. Seems hard to keep track of all the possibilities. > > Instead of requiring 2-3 or more filters for each list, the subject code > allows a single filter to do the job, consistently, never misses. > > On 04/10/2018 08:43 PM, Dave H wrote: >> The headers include :- >> to:Gnucash Users > <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> >> mailing list: gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> >> mailed-by: gnucash.org <http://gnucash.org> >> if those aren't sufficient to filter on what is :-) >> Cheers Dave H. >> On 11 April 2018 at 10:11, William Bixby > <mailto:wbi...@usa.net>> wrote: >>Adrien, my headers for your message show this email is from you, not >>the list: >>From: Adrien Monteleone ><mailto:adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net>> >>Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) >>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:17:55 -0500 >>To: Gnucash Users ><mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> >>Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix >>List-Id: General Accounting Discussions ><http://gnucash-user.gnucash.org>> >>On 04/10/2018 06:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: >>The mail already *is* from the list. >>This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and >>leaving the original senders in the mix. As this continues in >>the thread, individual e-mail addresses start bouncing around >>between To and CC and the list address usually gets relegated to >>CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter because one can always set >>their filters to include To, CC and From (if not also, or >>instead, reply-to) and there should be no issue. >>There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted >>messages (to other lists) or one-off participants who aren’t >>list members. This is pretty rare here. (Occasionally you’ll see >>a message posted on both -dev and -user but not often and so >>many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen any cross-postings to >>outside lists. On the off chance a non-member participates (with >>moderator approval) it would likely be obvious and you could >>include their personal address. >>Regards, >>Adrien >>On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach >>mailto:alspac...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix: >>Would having the email from be from the list >>(gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>) >>instead of the user (original sender) serve as well? >>This would also help with the "remember to reply to the >>list" issue. Reply, >>Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address. >>I believe the mailing list software would still put the >>original sender >>address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be >>possible. >>Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I >>believ
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
I stand corrected. I could have sworn it was ‘from’ the list, but alas... Regards, Adrien > On Apr 10, 2018, at 7:11 PM, William Bixby wrote: > > Adrien, my headers for your message show this email is from you, not the list: > From: Adrien Monteleone > Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:17:55 -0500 > To: Gnucash Users > Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix > List-Id: General Accounting Discussions > > > > On 04/10/2018 06:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: >> The mail already *is* from the list. >> This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and leaving the >> original senders in the mix. As this continues in the thread, individual >> e-mail addresses start bouncing around between To and CC and the list >> address usually gets relegated to CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter >> because one can always set their filters to include To, CC and From (if not >> also, or instead, reply-to) and there should be no issue. >> There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted messages (to >> other lists) or one-off participants who aren’t list members. This is pretty >> rare here. (Occasionally you’ll see a message posted on both -dev and -user >> but not often and so many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen any >> cross-postings to outside lists. On the off chance a non-member participates >> (with moderator approval) it would likely be obvious and you could include >> their personal address. >> Regards, >> Adrien >>> On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach wrote: >>> >>> Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix: >>> Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org) >>> instead of the user (original sender) serve as well? >>> >>> This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue. Reply, >>> Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address. >>> I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender >>> address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible. >>> >>> Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I believe that in >>> the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of the maintainers >>> and developers. >>> >>> Dale >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote: >>>> >>>> Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my >>>>> experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they >>>>> don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same >>>>> 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen >>>> mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't. >>>> Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time >>>> the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic. >>>> >>>> GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag >>>> makes >>>> no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming >>>> messages it could well be helpful. >>>> >>>> If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my >>>> opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device >>>> and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to >>>> scroll horizontally as well as vertically. >>>> >>>> Rich >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>> - >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>> >>> ___ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >&g
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Oh yes, I was looking at the detailed headers from my webmail version. only 4 tags displayed with details turned off, 43 header tags in detail. But no mailing-list, closest is list-id. Many of the tags are prefixed X- and appear to be tags added by the ISP's virus and spam processing or details of the message routing. examples X-Spam-Status X-Spam-Checker-Version: X-Virus-Status: X-USANET-Received X-USANET-Source X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Perhaps the ISP's Mailman translates the mailing-list tag to list-id. (and 5 other list- tags) If so, I wouldn't be surprised if other ISPs made comparable updates, so a general 'rule' to filter on mailing-list may not be as universal as suspected. No one filter plan works for all ISPs and mail agents and webmails, etc. Except for filtering by the subject line tag for the list. Hence for the preponderance of lists using subject line tags. On 04/10/2018 10:23 PM, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: 2018-04-10T21:44:15-0400 William Bixby wrote: Interesting, in my emails from Gnucash I do not see any headers with tags mailing-list mailed-by Depends on email reader software (or webmail if you use it), although good webmail also let's you inspect the message in raw form (which will of course show all header fields). On most of them I see a tag List-id But that is not a field I can filter on from my ISP In this message from Dave I see my email as the to: and Gnucash Users Note that since you don't see "List-id" it means that the email message came directly to the server of the email service provider you rely on --- that means it didn't pass over the mailing list at the time the message came to you ---, you should by now also have received a duplicated message that comes from the mailing list bouncer and which has the "List-id" header field. So the filters Dave suggests would be incomplete, a CC is also needed. Maybe also a 'From' just to be sure? The emails from the list seem to have a variety of header forms, perhaps depending on the mailers used for the reply, or the reply-to or reply-list or reply-all forms. Seems hard to keep track of all the possibilities. Instead of requiring 2-3 or more filters for each list, the subject code allows a single filter to do the job, consistently, never misses. Some filters allow you to match field names with a regular expression standard/syntax --- /e.g./: "^\(To\|Cc\|List-id\)" if they have separated space to match only the field *names*, or "^\(To\|Cc\|List-id\):.*gnucash-user@gnucash\.org" if they don't, both examples use GNU Emacs regular expressions but the email filter you use might require other syntax --- or the filter might also allow you to chain some condition checks --- /e.g./: ( To OR Cc OR List-id ) == "gnucash-user@gnucash.org". ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -- Bill Bixby Laconia NH ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
2018-04-10T21:44:15-0400 William Bixby wrote: > Interesting, in my emails from Gnucash I do not see any headers with tags > mailing-list > mailed-by Depends on email reader software (or webmail if you use it), although good webmail also let's you inspect the message in raw form (which will of course show all header fields). > On most of them I see a tag > List-id > But that is not a field I can filter on from my ISP > > In this message from Dave I see my email as the to: and > Gnucash Users So the filters Dave suggests would be incomplete, a CC is also needed. > Maybe also a 'From' just to be sure? > > The emails from the list seem to have a variety of header forms, > perhaps depending on the mailers used for the reply, or the reply-to > or reply-list or reply-all forms. Seems hard to keep track of all the > possibilities. > > Instead of requiring 2-3 or more filters for each list, the subject > code allows a single filter to do the job, consistently, never misses. Some filters allow you to match field names with a regular expression standard/syntax --- /e.g./: "^\(To\|Cc\|List-id\)" if they have separated space to match only the field *names*, or "^\(To\|Cc\|List-id\):.*gnucash-user@gnucash\.org" if they don't, both examples use GNU Emacs regular expressions but the email filter you use might require other syntax --- or the filter might also allow you to chain some condition checks --- /e.g./: ( To OR Cc OR List-id ) == "gnucash-user@gnucash.org". ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Yes please can we have emojis instead :-) Your concerns are also mine, it was requested by one person who didn't seem to be a regular reader/contributor and someone else that also looked to be a non-contributor to the mailing list followed up with a wow this is a great idea. Despite a few people at the time saying they didn't want it, Liz chose to implement it and we haven't heard a dicky bird from her since. I would have much preferred some sort of survey of the list to gauge support for the proposal before arbitrarily forcing it on everyone. Might as well go off to Nabble and read all about it :-) Cheers Dave H. On 11 April 2018 at 12:11, D via gnucash-user wrote: > Ralph, > > I am fully aware of the limitations of self-selected surveys and their > validity of gauging sentiment. I was not intending to submit my research to > any peer reviewed journals. > > I *will* note that the replies to my own non-scientific survey continue to > trend at about three to one against, which, while not necessarily > statistically valid, nevertheless tends to indicate an overall negative > view of the decision. > > I am more concerned that these changes were implemented at the urging of > (at the time) a grand total of TWO individual requests, all without any > request for feedback from the rest of the readership. And now, when it has > been raised as an issue, I'm not hearing any indication of a reversal. > > So, if I suggest that the list prefix should use emojis instead (like, > say, [👻👀]), and someone (perversely) agrees with that, will that get > implemented? It is distinctive, and one third shorter than "GNC", after all. > > David T. > > > > On April 11, 2018, at 1:20 AM, listreader wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 22:00:33 +0500 > "David T. via gnucash-user" wrote: > > > I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far, > > and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change. > > > > In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have > > expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest > > of objectivity, I am one of this group.] > > > > It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on > > the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies > > prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three > > times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it. > > Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my > experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' > they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the > same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater. > > I subscribe to around 20 very busy mailing lists, all intentionally > sent to the same mailbox folder so as not to interfere with all my > other more urgent business and personal mailbox folders, and all but > GnuCash have always used a subject prefix. (including one which uses the > useless/annoying '[Users]' as its prefix but that is another story). > The prefix is EXTREMELY useful to me. So add me to the 'approve' side > of your tally. > > Ralph > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Ralph, I am fully aware of the limitations of self-selected surveys and their validity of gauging sentiment. I was not intending to submit my research to any peer reviewed journals. I *will* note that the replies to my own non-scientific survey continue to trend at about three to one against, which, while not necessarily statistically valid, nevertheless tends to indicate an overall negative view of the decision. I am more concerned that these changes were implemented at the urging of (at the time) a grand total of TWO individual requests, all without any request for feedback from the rest of the readership. And now, when it has been raised as an issue, I'm not hearing any indication of a reversal. So, if I suggest that the list prefix should use emojis instead (like, say, [👻👀]), and someone (perversely) agrees with that, will that get implemented? It is distinctive, and one third shorter than "GNC", after all. David T. On April 11, 2018, at 1:20 AM, listreader wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 22:00:33 +0500 "David T. via gnucash-user" wrote: > I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far, > and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change. > > In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have > expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest > of objectivity, I am one of this group.] > > It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on > the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies > prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three > times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it. Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater. I subscribe to around 20 very busy mailing lists, all intentionally sent to the same mailbox folder so as not to interfere with all my other more urgent business and personal mailbox folders, and all but GnuCash have always used a subject prefix. (including one which uses the useless/annoying '[Users]' as its prefix but that is another story). The prefix is EXTREMELY useful to me. So add me to the 'approve' side of your tally. Ralph ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Interesting, in my emails from Gnucash I do not see any headers with tags mailing-list mailed-by On most of them I see a tag List-id But that is not a field I can filter on from my ISP In this message from Dave I see my email as the to: and Gnucash Users The only lists I see in my inbox today with a mailing-list tag are from yahoo-groups. So the filters Dave suggests would be incomplete, a CC is also needed. Maybe also a 'From' just to be sure? The emails from the list seem to have a variety of header forms, perhaps depending on the mailers used for the reply, or the reply-to or reply-list or reply-all forms. Seems hard to keep track of all the possibilities. Instead of requiring 2-3 or more filters for each list, the subject code allows a single filter to do the job, consistently, never misses. On 04/10/2018 08:43 PM, Dave H wrote: The headers include :- to: Gnucash Users <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> mailing list: gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> mailed-by: gnucash.org <http://gnucash.org> if those aren't sufficient to filter on what is :-) Cheers Dave H. On 11 April 2018 at 10:11, William Bixby <mailto:wbi...@usa.net>> wrote: Adrien, my headers for your message show this email is from you, not the list: From: Adrien Monteleone mailto:adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net>> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:17:55 -0500 To: Gnucash Users mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix List-Id: General Accounting Discussions http://gnucash-user.gnucash.org>> On 04/10/2018 06:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: The mail already *is* from the list. This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and leaving the original senders in the mix. As this continues in the thread, individual e-mail addresses start bouncing around between To and CC and the list address usually gets relegated to CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter because one can always set their filters to include To, CC and From (if not also, or instead, reply-to) and there should be no issue. There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted messages (to other lists) or one-off participants who aren’t list members. This is pretty rare here. (Occasionally you’ll see a message posted on both -dev and -user but not often and so many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen any cross-postings to outside lists. On the off chance a non-member participates (with moderator approval) it would likely be obvious and you could include their personal address. Regards, Adrien On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach mailto:alspac...@gmail.com>> wrote: Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix: Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>) instead of the user (original sender) serve as well? This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue. Reply, Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address. I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible. Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I believe that in the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of the maintainers and developers. Dale On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard mailto:rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>> wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote: Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater. Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't. Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic. GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a p
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
The headers include :- to:Gnucash Users mailing list:gnucash-user@gnucash.org mailed-by:gnucash.org if those aren't sufficient to filter on what is :-) Cheers Dave H. On 11 April 2018 at 10:11, William Bixby wrote: > Adrien, my headers for your message show this email is from you, not the > list: > From: Adrien Monteleone > Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:17:55 -0500 > To: Gnucash Users > Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix > List-Id: General Accounting Discussions > > > > > On 04/10/2018 06:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: > >> The mail already *is* from the list. >> >> This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and leaving the >> original senders in the mix. As this continues in the thread, individual >> e-mail addresses start bouncing around between To and CC and the list >> address usually gets relegated to CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter >> because one can always set their filters to include To, CC and From (if not >> also, or instead, reply-to) and there should be no issue. >> >> There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted messages (to >> other lists) or one-off participants who aren’t list members. This is >> pretty rare here. (Occasionally you’ll see a message posted on both -dev >> and -user but not often and so many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen >> any cross-postings to outside lists. On the off chance a non-member >> participates (with moderator approval) it would likely be obvious and you >> could include their personal address. >> >> Regards, >> Adrien >> >> On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach wrote: >>> >>> Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix: >>> Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org) >>> instead of the user (original sender) serve as well? >>> >>> This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue. >>> Reply, >>> Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address. >>> I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender >>> address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible. >>> >>> Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I believe that in >>> the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of the >>> maintainers >>> and developers. >>> >>> Dale >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote: >>>> >>>> Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my >>>> >>>>> experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they >>>>> don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same >>>>> 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a >>>> dozen >>>> mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't. >>>> Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only >>>> time >>>> the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic. >>>> >>>> GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag >>>> makes >>>> no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort >>>> incoming >>>> messages it could well be helpful. >>>> >>>> If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in >>>> my >>>> opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small >>>> device >>>> and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to >>>> scroll horizontally as well as vertically. >>>> >>>> Rich >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>> - >>>> Please remember to CC this
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Adrien, my headers for your message show this email is from you, not the list: From: Adrien Monteleone Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:17:55 -0500 To: Gnucash Users Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix List-Id: General Accounting Discussions On 04/10/2018 06:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: The mail already *is* from the list. This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and leaving the original senders in the mix. As this continues in the thread, individual e-mail addresses start bouncing around between To and CC and the list address usually gets relegated to CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter because one can always set their filters to include To, CC and From (if not also, or instead, reply-to) and there should be no issue. There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted messages (to other lists) or one-off participants who aren’t list members. This is pretty rare here. (Occasionally you’ll see a message posted on both -dev and -user but not often and so many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen any cross-postings to outside lists. On the off chance a non-member participates (with moderator approval) it would likely be obvious and you could include their personal address. Regards, Adrien On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach wrote: Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix: Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org) instead of the user (original sender) serve as well? This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue. Reply, Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address. I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible. Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I believe that in the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of the maintainers and developers. Dale On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote: Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater. Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't. Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic. GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag makes no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming messages it could well be helpful. If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to scroll horizontally as well as vertically. Rich ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -- Bill Bixby Laconia NH ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Adrien Monteleone wrote: I can see how cross-posted messages would turn into tag soup if every list followed this behavior. Adrien, Without intending to take the thread onto a different track, how common are corss-posted messages? Where are they cross-posted? I've not seen any, on any mail list to which I'm subscribed. Rich ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
The mail already *is* from the list. This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and leaving the original senders in the mix. As this continues in the thread, individual e-mail addresses start bouncing around between To and CC and the list address usually gets relegated to CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter because one can always set their filters to include To, CC and From (if not also, or instead, reply-to) and there should be no issue. There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted messages (to other lists) or one-off participants who aren’t list members. This is pretty rare here. (Occasionally you’ll see a message posted on both -dev and -user but not often and so many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen any cross-postings to outside lists. On the off chance a non-member participates (with moderator approval) it would likely be obvious and you could include their personal address. Regards, Adrien > On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach wrote: > > Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix: > Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org) > instead of the user (original sender) serve as well? > > This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue. Reply, > Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address. > I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender > address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible. > > Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I believe that in > the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of the maintainers > and developers. > > Dale > > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard > wrote: > >> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote: >> >> Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my >>> experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they >>> don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same >>> 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater. >>> >> >> Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen >> mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't. >> Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time >> the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic. >> >> GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag >> makes >> no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming >> messages it could well be helpful. >> >> If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my >> opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device >> and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to >> scroll horizontally as well as vertically. >> >> Rich >> >> ___ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> - >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
I do the same. I’ve noticed though that despite Mailman being set not to deliver duplicates if you are also in the To or CC fields, it does so anyway. I think it was Geert who did that as a test a few weeks back and I got two copies, one got filed (the list copy) and the other stayed in my inbox. (the one direct from him) I think the problem there is the list is going to send you at least one copy, but the individual sending the mail is including you in a To or CC field, which gets handled by their client and their mail provider - not the list. Thus there are still two independent routes. So I usually remove the personal addresses and move the list address up. While the tag it’s no skin off my nose, it is a tad annoying. It’s now visual clutter I have to filter out. (despite that I bother to filter the messages into their own folder) I can see how cross-posted messages would turn into tag soup if every list followed this behavior. And the real stickler for me on the whole topic, is this was added because some people don’t want to be bothered to configure their own mail client properly or don’t know how. (not to mention, it was added very quickly, even after the initial requestor withdrew the request!) I’ve yet to see the very few who like or asked for this change to give us an example of a mail client that can’t filter, tag or otherwise identify list mail. That’s my 2¢, or $1 factoring for inflation. Regards, Adrien p.s. - I wonder what will happen to some people’s threadings if I manually remove that [GNC] tag in the subject line after “Re:” ?? Certainly, a good mail client will thread off the message-id, but that’s not always the case. Will Mailman add it back? > On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Dale Alspach wrote: > >> Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix: Would having the email from >> be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org) instead of the user (original >> sender) serve as well? > > Dale, > > Doesn't matter to me, in most cases. When I reply to a message that has > both the sender's address and the list alpine puts the sender's address on > the To: line and the list address on the Cc: line. Before sending I delete > the former and move the latter up. > > There are times when a response to the individual rather than the list is > appropriate. This is when the response is off the thread and is either off > the mail list topic or is of a personal nature. Having both addresses > availalbe accommodates all situations. > >> This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue. >> Reply, Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address. I believe the >> mailing list software would still put the original sender address in the >> headers so that an off-list reply would be possible. > > When I respond to a message, such as this one, alpine asks me if I want to > respond to all. My fingers default to 'yes.' Often, both the sender and the > list are on the header and I adjust as desired, usually removing the > sender's address as they get a copy from the list in any case. > > All mail lists prefer threads to remain on the list so that future readers > can see the entire thread. > > I admit to not seeing where having [GNC] as a subject line prefix is > harmful to any list subscriber; perhaps that's because it is not an issue > for me either way. > > Regards, > > Rich > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Dale Alspach wrote: Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix: Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org) instead of the user (original sender) serve as well? Dale, Doesn't matter to me, in most cases. When I reply to a message that has both the sender's address and the list alpine puts the sender's address on the To: line and the list address on the Cc: line. Before sending I delete the former and move the latter up. There are times when a response to the individual rather than the list is appropriate. This is when the response is off the thread and is either off the mail list topic or is of a personal nature. Having both addresses availalbe accommodates all situations. This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue. Reply, Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address. I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible. When I respond to a message, such as this one, alpine asks me if I want to respond to all. My fingers default to 'yes.' Often, both the sender and the list are on the header and I adjust as desired, usually removing the sender's address as they get a copy from the list in any case. All mail lists prefer threads to remain on the list so that future readers can see the entire thread. I admit to not seeing where having [GNC] as a subject line prefix is harmful to any list subscriber; perhaps that's because it is not an issue for me either way. Regards, Rich ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix: Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org) instead of the user (original sender) serve as well? This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue. Reply, Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address. I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible. Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I believe that in the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of the maintainers and developers. Dale On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote: > > Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my >> experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they >> don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same >> 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater. >> > > Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen > mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't. > Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time > the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic. > > GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag > makes > no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming > messages it could well be helpful. > > If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my > opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device > and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to > scroll horizontally as well as vertically. > > Rich > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
I like the GNC prefix. I have 20 mail lists that I subscribe to. 17 use the subject prefix which results in precise filtering to my folders at my ISP level (I don't need to filter locally, so I can access the emails in the proper folders no matter which platform and therefore email client I use, Linux, Windows, phone, tablet, etc.). I try to filter the 3 lists without subject prefixes using the available sender, to, and CC options my ISP provides (list ID is not included, subject is available for the good lists that use a subject prefix). But within each list the emails have the list name/address in various positions, it is not consistent. Sometimes my ISP doesn't match the filters and then tags the email as junk. But in the majority of my mail lists that DO use the subject prefix I have never had emails flagged as junk. The filtering to folders is more precise. I'm surprised at the objections, as my experience is that mail lists adding the list ID in the subject is the 'norm' and very common. The few, like gnucash was, that don't are the outlier. It may not be a 'standard' requirement for mail lists, but when almost all do it it becomes a 'defacto' standard and should be followed. On 04/10/2018 04:48 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote: Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater. Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't. Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic. GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag makes no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming messages it could well be helpful. If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to scroll horizontally as well as vertically. Rich ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -- Bill Bixby Laconia NH ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Ralph, What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag mail? Can it not handle mailing-lists? Regards, Adrien > On Apr 10, 2018, at 3:20 PM, listreader wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 22:00:33 +0500 > "David T. via gnucash-user" wrote: > >> I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far, >> and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change. >> >> In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have >> expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest >> of objectivity, I am one of this group.] >> >> It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on >> the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies >> prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three >> times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it. > > Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my > experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' > they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the > same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater. > > I subscribe to around 20 very busy mailing lists, all intentionally > sent to the same mailbox folder so as not to interfere with all my > other more urgent business and personal mailbox folders, and all but > GnuCash have always used a subject prefix. (including one which uses the > useless/annoying '[Users]' as its prefix but that is another story). > The prefix is EXTREMELY useful to me. So add me to the 'approve' side > of your tally. > > Ralph > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote: Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater. Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't. Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic. GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag makes no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming messages it could well be helpful. If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to scroll horizontally as well as vertically. Rich ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
That's interesting Ralph. I have a similar need (4 or 5 busy lists) and I send each one to it's own subfolder of the "MailingLists" folder. I really like not having them jumbled up together, but that's just me. I vote against having them especially, as Geert pointed out, if you think about cross posted messages. Michael On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:23 PM, David Carlson wrote: > I vote against > > David C > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 2:13 PM Gary Holtum > wrote: > > > 25 against! > > > > -Original Message- > > From: gnucash-user > > [mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+diamondhranchqh=earthlink@gnucash.org] > On > > Behalf Of Alex Aycinena > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:01 PM > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix > > > > 24 against > > > > > > > > > > -- Forwarded message ---------- > > > From: Les > > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > Cc: > > > Bcc: > > > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:15:29 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix 23. > > > > > > > > > On 04/10/2018 12:40 PM, Mike Evans wrote: > > > > > >> 22 > > >> > > >> ___ > > >> gnucash-user mailing list > > >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > >> - > > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > >> > > > > > > > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
I vote against David C On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 2:13 PM Gary Holtum wrote: > 25 against! > > -Original Message- > From: gnucash-user > [mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+diamondhranchqh=earthlink@gnucash.org] On > Behalf Of Alex Aycinena > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:01 PM > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix > > 24 against > > > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > > From: Les > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > Cc: > > Bcc: > > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:15:29 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix 23. > > > > > > On 04/10/2018 12:40 PM, Mike Evans wrote: > > > >> 22 > >> > >> ___ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >> - > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >> > > > > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 22:00:33 +0500 "David T. via gnucash-user" wrote: > I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far, > and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change. > > In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have > expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest > of objectivity, I am one of this group.] > > It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on > the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies > prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three > times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it. Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater. I subscribe to around 20 very busy mailing lists, all intentionally sent to the same mailbox folder so as not to interfere with all my other more urgent business and personal mailbox folders, and all but GnuCash have always used a subject prefix. (including one which uses the useless/annoying '[Users]' as its prefix but that is another story). The prefix is EXTREMELY useful to me. So add me to the 'approve' side of your tally. Ralph ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
25 against! -Original Message- From: gnucash-user [mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+diamondhranchqh=earthlink@gnucash.org] On Behalf Of Alex Aycinena Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:01 PM To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix 24 against > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Les > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:15:29 -0500 > Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix 23. > > > On 04/10/2018 12:40 PM, Mike Evans wrote: > >> 22 >> >> ___ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> - >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
24 against > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Les > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:15:29 -0500 > Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix > 23. > > > On 04/10/2018 12:40 PM, Mike Evans wrote: > >> 22 >> >> ___ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> - >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
22 On 10 Apr 2018 at 11:28, Ronal B Morse wrote: > Make that 21. But, it's not a big issue for me. > > RBM > > On 04/10/2018 11:00 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am responding to the original email because there have been > quite a few responses to this thread. > > > > I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus > far, and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change. > > > > In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) > have expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the > interest of objectivity, I am one of this group.] > > > > It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based > on the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies > prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three > times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it. > > > > David T. > > > >> On Apr 6, 2018, at 6:08 AM, Steve Parry > wrote: > >> > >> Hi everyone (especially Admins). > >> > >> > >> > >> Just wondering if you can add an automatic Subject Prefix in > MailMan to all emails from this list (eg [GNC]) so that list emails > have a subject like "[GNC] This is a sample Subject". This will > enable faster identification of the mailing list emails (of which > there are many) when eye scanning and the option to have a mail > client rule to filter them into a separate folder. > >> > >> > >> > >> Just a thought! > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks for all your great work > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> ...Steve > >> > >> ___ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >> - > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
23. On 04/10/2018 12:40 PM, Mike Evans wrote: 22 ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Make that 21. But, it's not a big issue for me. RBM On 04/10/2018 11:00 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote: Hello, I am responding to the original email because there have been quite a few responses to this thread. I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far, and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change. In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest of objectivity, I am one of this group.] It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it. David T. On Apr 6, 2018, at 6:08 AM, Steve Parry wrote: Hi everyone (especially Admins). Just wondering if you can add an automatic Subject Prefix in MailMan to all emails from this list (eg [GNC]) so that list emails have a subject like "[GNC] This is a sample Subject". This will enable faster identification of the mailing list emails (of which there are many) when eye scanning and the option to have a mail client rule to filter them into a separate folder. Just a thought! Thanks for all your great work😊 Cheers ...Steve ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Hello, I am responding to the original email because there have been quite a few responses to this thread. I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far, and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change. In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest of objectivity, I am one of this group.] It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it. David T. > On Apr 6, 2018, at 6:08 AM, Steve Parry wrote: > > Hi everyone (especially Admins). > > > > Just wondering if you can add an automatic Subject Prefix in MailMan to all > emails from this list (eg [GNC]) so that list emails have a subject like > "[GNC] This is a sample Subject". This will enable faster identification of > the mailing list emails (of which there are many) when eye scanning and the > option to have a mail client rule to filter them into a separate folder. > > > > Just a thought! > > > > Thanks for all your great work😊 > > Cheers > > ...Steve > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Good point. Since filtering is a personal preference, I don’t think its method should be decided by the list. Regards, Adrien > On Apr 10, 2018, at 7:14 AM, Saša Janiška wrote: > > Alain Williams writes: > >> All very nice if you want to do that; some do, some don't. > > Personally I do not mind too much since I use Gmane, but isn't it > strange that *all* users are paying the 'price' for users that "don't > want to do that" (aka mail filtering) ? ;) > > > Sincerely, > Gour > > -- > As the ignorant perform their duties with attachment to results, > the learned may similarly act, but without attachment, for the > sake of leading people on the right path. > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Alain Williams writes: > All very nice if you want to do that; some do, some don't. Personally I do not mind too much since I use Gmane, but isn't it strange that *all* users are paying the 'price' for users that "don't want to do that" (aka mail filtering) ? ;) Sincerely, Gour -- As the ignorant perform their duties with attachment to results, the learned may similarly act, but without attachment, for the sake of leading people on the right path. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Is it possible to put [GNC] tag at the end of the subject. Those who filter on subject will still be able to use it and those who are disturbed by additional unnecessary tagging would be happy too. Amish. On Tuesday 10 April 2018 05:09 PM, Alain Williams wrote: The point is that different people choose different ones - for whatever reason. So: let's make it easy for people who are not using your chosen MUA to also distinguish GC/GNC email from the others in their mailbox. The price for those who do not need it on the Subject: line is a few characters - get over it! ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 08:31:32AM -0300, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: > 2018-04-06T11:08:57+1000 Steve Parry wrote: > > when eye scanning and the option to have a mail client rule to filter > > them into a separate folder. > > Some email clients, for example GNU Emacs Gnus, allows you to do email The clue to this is ''Some email clients''. The point is that different people choose different ones - for whatever reason. So: let's make it easy for people who are not using your chosen MUA to also distinguish GC/GNC email from the others in their mailbox. The price for those who do not need it on the Subject: line is a few characters - get over it! > splitting, in which you can make groups/directories that will hold email > messages that match a certain rule, and this can be done by testing for > the "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" email, or the corresponding bouncer. All very nice if you want to do that; some do, some don't. -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/contact.php #include ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
2018-04-06T11:08:57+1000 Steve Parry wrote: > when eye scanning and the option to have a mail client rule to filter > them into a separate folder. Some email clients, for example GNU Emacs Gnus, allows you to do email splitting, in which you can make groups/directories that will hold email messages that match a certain rule, and this can be done by testing for the "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" email, or the corresponding bouncer. -- - Formas de contato: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#vCard - Ativista do /software/ livre (não confundir com gratuito). Avaliador da liberdade de /software/ e de /sites/. - Membro do LibrePlanet Brasil: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Brasil - Comunicações sociais federadas padronizadas, onde o "social" permanece independente do fornecedor. - #DeleteWhatsApp. Use o pai dele, #XMPP, federado e com padrão internacional: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/XMPP.pt - #DeleteFacebook #DeleteInstagram #DeleteTwitter #DeleteYouTube. Use redes sociais federadas que suportam #ActivityPub, padrão internacional, como a rede Mastodon: https://joinmastodon.org/ - #DeleteNetflix #CancelNetflix. Evite #DRM: https://www.defectivebydesign.org/ - Quer enviar arquivos para mim? Veja: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#Arquivos - Quer doar para mim, ou me contratar? Veja: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#Suporte - Minhas contribuições: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#Contributions ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] RFC 2822; Re: GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
That would be annoying, but that's not normal behavior, as can be seen from this reply. Cheers...Steve -- Sent from my Nexus 5X Android device. Please excuse my brevity. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] RFC 2822; Re: GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Most likely because German users have this annoying habit of using Aw: instead of Re: when replying... ;-) -derek Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. On April 7, 2018 8:34:12 PM "Frank H. Ellenberger" wrote: Am 08.04.2018 um 01:56 schrieb Steve Parry: > Hi Frank. > Adding a prefix does not stop you continuing your method, and at the same time also meets the request of us "dinosaurs" 😊 > Cheers...Steve > We have this annoyimg prefix on Gnucash-de. And everytime you change the subject, it gets inserted again: [gnucash-de] Original Theme becomes [gnucash-de] More specific Theme; was: [gnucash-de] Original Theme then user inserts it's own tag [gnucash-de][SOLVED][gnucash-de] More specific Theme; was: [gnucash-de] Original Theme Ending with no longer showing the theme because of too many tags. From RFC 2822: Each line of characters MUST be no more than 998 characters, and SHOULD be no more than 78 characters, excluding the CRLF. Currently every reply moves the real content more to the right. ~Frank ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] RFC 2822; Re: GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
Am 08.04.2018 um 01:56 schrieb Steve Parry: > Hi Frank. > Adding a prefix does not stop you continuing your method, and at the same > time also meets the request of us "dinosaurs" 😊 > Cheers...Steve > We have this annoyimg prefix on Gnucash-de. And everytime you change the subject, it gets inserted again: [gnucash-de] Original Theme becomes [gnucash-de] More specific Theme; was: [gnucash-de] Original Theme then user inserts it's own tag [gnucash-de][SOLVED][gnucash-de] More specific Theme; was: [gnucash-de] Original Theme Ending with no longer showing the theme because of too many tags. From RFC 2822: Each line of characters MUST be no more than 998 characters, and SHOULD be no more than 78 characters, excluding the CRLF. Currently every reply moves the real content more to the right. ~Frank ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
James Triplett wrote: > On (06/04/18 11:08), Steve Parry wrote: >> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 11:08:57 +1000 >> From: Steve Parry >> To: 'Gnucash Users' >> Subject: Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix >> Reply-To: spa...@vidar.com.au >> >> Hi everyone (especially Admins). >> >> >> >> Just wondering if you can add an automatic Subject Prefix in MailMan to all emails from this list (eg [GNC]) so that list emails have a subject like "[GNC] This is a sample Subject". This will enable faster >> identification of the mailing list emails (of which there are many) when eye scanning and the option to have a mail client rule to filter them into a separate folder. >> >> > > I think it's a great idea. My email client makes this Subject Prefix stand out very nicely. > Yes, of course, I could design a filtering algorithm that could re-sort my mail, blah, blah, blah. > But the eye does it very nicely (in my INBOX of about a thousand items, receiving about 100 per day). > > cheers, > James > (email sysadmin but newbie GC user) I've put in GNC for this list, and GNC-dev for the development list. While others have mentioned filtering on the "To" field, it's also been necessary to filter on the "CC" field. Liz ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.