It's (La)valintine's day, so send a message of love to Pinarayi Vijayan :)
Vijayettan pinangaruthallo :)
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Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people
With Billu Barber becoming just Billu, this may come in handy when you are
in a crunch situation.
http://www.funny2.com/dictionary.htm
Guess a few entries could be added:
communist propaganda - political
You know, the Sene people were really saving the girls from the jihadis:
http://greathindu.com/2009/01/how-media-twisted-mangalore-attack-on-pub-girls/
I am sorry I could not get anybody who can match the academic credentials of
Sri Amaresh Mishra. I promise I will try. No guarantees, however.
What about the terror organizers of Samjhota express blasts... Who will
prepare the list of suspects and ask the other to handover? India or
Pakistan? Or will the list be prepared jointly?
The short answer is, India. The Samjhauta blast occurred at a place where
the jurisdiction of Indian
I agree with M J Akbar that India and Pakistan are not neighbors, just two
geographically contiguous states. I differ with him on the cause. It is not
the '65 war that brought about the division - if there was camaraderie
before, why did that war happen at all? Or the one before it? The truth is
My dear friend,
Till now, you or anybody else who commented in this thread haven't
addressed any of my points. No wonder of course, the Left's standard
response is to attack the person -insinuations, vilification and denigration
by association - rather than what he says. I understand your itch
It is for your benefit, my friend. Since you hate to read opinions
that differ from your own, it gives you a cop out. You have the choice
of not clicking the link. It saves you the trouble of working up
homicidal rage at people who do not honor your views :)
Cheers,
Murali
On Jan 17, 11:34 am,
It turns out that this Amaresh Misra is a gentleman whom even some
Lefties (by no means all or the majority, of course) can't stand. Here
are a few nice words Teesta Setalvad has to say about this gen'lman:
http://communalism.blogspot.com/2008/12/amaresh-mishras-web-of-lies.html
The people who
With all due respect to the learned academicians, may I ask one thing:
whom are they kidding?
Can they go beyond platitudes and motherhoods for some specifics? How
about asking the Pakistani government to hand over the terror
organizers to India? How about dismantling the terror infrastructure,
My dear Bobby,
There is a 50% chance that a Warrior will be in the Obama team:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jan2009/tc20090115_815265.htm?campaign_id=rss_daily
Here is business opportunity for you: verify her antecedents and
see whether her 41st cousin has lived near an
The Eminent Journalist has thrown down the gauntlet. Since my respect for
him is limitless, I have to take some time off to jot down a few things.
1) A nation's engagements with other nations should be conditioned on what
the relationship does to its interests. The danger of bringing in such
After reading the above message, I went into a little *gedankenexperiment*:
Imagine, in 1939, a group of French guys along with a few Germans organizing
a joint Franco-German signature campaign and a candle light vigil at the
Ouvrage Schoenenbourg on the Ligne Maginot, to protest the violence
This is important: ..RAW's covert wing was disbanded long ago by then prime
minister IK Gujral and that New Delhi has no capability to help the Baluchis
regain their stolen independence. Thank you I K Gujral for this great work.
We are now left without *any* option to do anything about Paki
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,599724,00.html
*Shouldn't they be allowed to think and say what they please? They believe
that jihad is their obligation. Isn't that freedom of opinion? he asks,
defending extremist rabble-rousers, who are sending more and more Koran
school
http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20081219fname=abhinavsid=1*
An Open Letter To Arundhati Roy *
* To call the foreign funded insurgency in Kashmir and the terror attacks
across the country as justified blowback for the failures of the Indian
state and civil society is both false and
http://specials.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/19slide1-understanding-the-mumbai-attacks.htm
*America has blindly poured billions of dollars into Pakistan after 9/11 and
it only strengthened Pakistan's jihadists, with the encouragement of the
previous President and military leader Pervez Musharraf, he
Article by Brahma Chellaney
http://www.asianage.com/presentation/leftnavigation/opinion/op-ed/pak-terror-is-bribe-ruse.aspx
*Pak terror is bribe ruse**
*
*By Brahma Chellaney*
Terrorists are still coming in from Pakistan, India's lumbering external
affairs minister lamented in Parliament last
Terrorists are anything but non-state actors
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24757395-5013460,00.html
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Liberty, if it means anything, is the right
Poor imagination.
Yes bobinson, imagination - that is what objective people lack. After all,
not everybody is a fiction writer like Arundhati Roy.
Cheers,
Murali
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*You* must be very imaginative, bobinson. You started criticizing the
article with 'poor imagination' and has now reached 'poor fiction' :) Way to
go!
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Liberty, if
Celebrate good times, come
on!http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/12/16/celebrate-good-times-come-on/
Shabba Goy, December 16th 2008, 6:22 pm
Philisophy Football and 21st Century Socialism magazine invite you to join
us for three special seasonal events.
First up, *Happy Honecker!*
[image: Happy
Political correctness run amok. Forget for the moment that Israel is one of
our most reliable and closest allies. Forget foreign policy. What about
basic human decency?
'In his speech to the UNSC asking for the world to ban the Jamaat-ud-Dawa,
Ahamed referred to pre-selected targets which
We should do something like this to Pakistan. I guess it is very well within
our capability :)
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/britain-unveils-plan-to-criticise-mugabe-out-of-office--200806231038/
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Dear Bobby,
If it is about a heart-warming personal story, let me tell you I
don't need one. I am myself a recipient of such warmth and friendship
from Pakistanis. In Nice, France. In 2001. It was indeed a great
experience to meet a Pakistani family in the vast shopping mall of
CAP3000, a
Let Mr Murali K.Warrier keep his efforts in teaching people here, until he
cares to unlearn himself!
Unfortunately, my power of imagination is not as good as Mr K M
Venugopalan's to include such juicy details as a Mossad-RSS nexus in the
Rabbi's killing, with a few agents of the RAW and the CIA
My dear Bobby,
A little less frothing at the mouth, please.
According to the principle of 'falsifiability', it is not possible to
prove a negative. So, it is easier for you to prove that I am a neo-nazi
than for me to prove that I am not one. Good luck!
By the way, the real neo-Nazis
It was an epiphany. A kind of a Eureka moment. I was thinking all evening
why all my 'engagements' with the Eminent Journalist - EJ for short, not
just because it rhymes with DJ/RJ, it also gives a nice feeling that the EJ
is actually somebody who does something useful like the former: as Dale
Fortunately, there are still a few people left who do not mind calling a
spade a spade (incidentally, the gruesome torture of Rabbi Holtzberg went
almost unnoticed, by the media and the 'commentators', that is):
Psychotic terrorists in search of a grievance
Dear Sanjeev,
your refernces dosent say anything abt gruesome torture mr murali.
is this what the west european psycho analysts call 'transfernce'?
it could be that u are transfering your sadistic desires onto the killings
at nariman house!
This is what I said: incidentally, the gruesome torture
I have a few more, my friend.
But seriously, dear Bobby, do you think that indiscriminate firing on
unarmed civilians in rail stations and hotels with automatic weapons
is the right way to highlight one's grievances, even legitimate
grievances? Why can't people talk about the Mumbai outrage
I see Sarwar's article as a part of a grand game-plan by the South-
Asianists.
The objective of the game plan is to get Pakistan 'off the hook'. It
is to prevent India from taking any retaliatory measures against the
Rogue State. It is advertised as a plan for peace.
The strategy is
Dear Ms Gouri,
Thanks for your complements. However, there is one thing I still am
unable to fathom, with all the intelligence you attribute to me: why
did Amaresh Misra's rants, which could beat the whackiest American UFO
lore hands down, get so much credence among Leftists? Is it the
. And the next... Sorry, I am
tired of this tripe about 'friendship'. I am tired of this endless
talk about the Mumbai spirit. I get infuriated by the conspiracy
mongering. I am irked by the candle holding. I can go on and on.
Best regards,
Murali
PS: About being a 'plant', no Bobby, Murali K
Reply to William Dalrymple, Yogi Sikander, Tariq Ali and other apologists of
terror. (Emphasis added)
http://blog.z-word.com/2008/11/the-mumbai-massacres-and-imperialist-states-of-mind/
The Mumbai Massacres And Imperialist States of
[For the last few months, I haven't been reading this forum but just
checked back the other day to see what the members here have to say
about the Mumbai terror strike. I didn't intend to write, but this one
forced my hand.]
There is a saying in Malayalam, which essentially translates to 'when
We would certainly do better without the empathy from the Wholesale
Manufacturers and Merchants of Terror.
On Nov 30, 9:12 am, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=44902
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Bobby Kunhuhttp://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/
And less 'people-to-people-contact' of the kind that was in
spectacular display for the last few days, please.
On Nov 30, 7:08 pm, Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We would certainly do better without the empathy from the Wholesale
Manufacturers and Merchants of Terror.
On Nov 30, 9
Thanks for the heart warming welcome, mate :) No, the financial
meltdown is still in the pipeline, as far as I am concerned.
I, as a citizen of this country is entitled to have any opinion about
our western neighbor. It is the duty of the people who run this
country to engage with it. After all,
Again, core competencies. Still I can suggest a few simple things
(amateurish at best):
1) Recognize the fact that our Western neighbor do not have our best
interests at heart
2) Don't bail them out with statements like 'they too are victims of
terror'. It is black karma after all.
3) Nothing
Are you advocating that we elect Modi as the next PM
No.
Will it be fair for us to assume that you were behind the Mumbai carnage
pal?
Hardly on evidence, my friend. Sorry :) But this seems to be the
'logic' used by many journalists ('eminent' or otherwise).
As a side note, I have been
for those people who landed on the Mumbai
shores on hijacked trawlers the other day?
All regards for you, mate :)
Murali
On Nov 30, 8:34 pm, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/11/30 Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You received
The Outlook article says *Arundhati Roy's first work of fiction since The
God of Small Things in 1997
*Means they haven't read her other great works of fiction like Algebra of
Infinite Justice, Greater Common Good etc? :)
Best regards,
Murali.
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Your monthly dose of undiluted neo-liberalism!
Enjoy maadi!
http://pragati.nationalinterest.in/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/pragati-issue16-jul2008-communityed.pdf
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This is so out to lunch that I am constrained to respond:
Islam preaches to respect others' feelings, religion and their gods.
If so, why so much disrespect is shown to others' feelings, religion and
gods in *practice*, almost everywhere Islam is in a powerful position? Or is
it that there is
the prestigious London Institute of South Asia international award
Irony? Or 'irony deficiency'? :)
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:13 PM, venukm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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C'mon, age is in the mind :) (or so console oneself :)
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:47 PM, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 7/1/08, Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Damodar,
Yep, I know the PDF is a bit heavy, especially *on older machines.*
;-)
There is a web
Yes, you are right.
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Afthab Ellath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The most appropriate point to start reading the Indian national
Interest...
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I believe we should let him talk, propaganda will always work on its own
terms and needs to be countered as such
Thank Bobby and the heavens for small mercies! :)
Best regards,
Murali
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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It should not be unethical in publishing things which might be hurtful to
any
community in this world.
Then the papers should contain only one column: for the weather. No, there
are enough touchies out there who would be offended by the weather report
too. Why not do away with newspapers
I can only thank you, mate :)
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
a half-ignorant propagandist is the best that can asked for to kill
something, so I will be always willing to oblige you Murali, as long as you
continue spewing inanities
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'Inflammatory discourse (as giving offense)' too should be covered under
freedom of speech. Isn't it easy enough to distinguish between offensive
speech and incitement to violence? The former is ok, the latter, not, of
course. Saying 'your religion sucks' is ok, but saying 'go out and kill put
Tell us how it worked for you
It didn't work for me for the simple reason that I never tried it!
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:55 AM, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Now I understand.
Tell us how it worked for you
damodar
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all the time educating the great unwashed from the Third World how nasty a
Satan Uncle Sam really is.
Not to mention how bad Capitalism really is - look at how we the unfortunate
ones condemned to live in the States are suffering. Never fall prey to the
seductions of this venomous ideology!
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do not
engage with debates with arrogantly meritorious upper caste fools,
please refrain from addressing mails to me
Thanks
On 28/05/2008, Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
Congrats to Illaiah and the translator too.
Any recognition is good. But for some of the pathologically skeptic, it may
not be. Of course, there is nothing illegal in breathing fire and brimstone
on Capitalism every living moment and then go on to enrich your pocket book
with a fat award from Man
As the commentators before rightly concluded, BJP's victory has more to do
with other parties' follies than their own communal campaign. In fact, the
BJP lost two important state elections immediately after the Babri
demolition. In Karnataka at least, there was absolutely no communal campaign
this
Nonetheless, I do not want to engage in an argument on this since you have
betrayed with this post your absolute lack of awareness (which forms part of
the privileged caste zeitgeist) on caste hegemony and the history of the
same in various parts of India
The blog's fundamental argument was
The blogger is right: the chatterati is maintaining a disturbing silence
over this. Even in this forum, which should have bee abuzz, there is not a
single discussion. Not even the usual charge of 'state terrorism' is being
thrown, in spite of the fact that dozens died in police firing in a BJP
If you think you can discuss reservations on a cost-benefit format without
understanding caste hegemonies (which I am doubly sure of now), you are
betraying your not just naivete, but arrogant naivete
Whether it is appropriate to 'discuss reservations on a cost-benefit format
without
Please do read local newspapers once in a while, where you might come
across Baba Budangiri in Chikmagalur or Idgah Maidan in Hubli
My reference was to this particular election. The communal campaign was
conspicuous by its absence. BJP owes its victory in a large measure to the
Gowda clan. The
Terrorism has a way of coming back to the people in whose name the movement
was started. The majority of victims in Punjab were Sikhs. More Muslims have
been killed in Kashmir than Hindus. The primary victims of Naxal terrorism
are Adivasis, the landless and the poor.
That should debunk the myth
Dear Bobby,
Thanks for the comments on the Constitution. Let me confess that not
being a lawyer or not having studied law even as a hobby, my knowledge in
these matters are very inferior.
I being a libertarian, believe in the dictum that consequences matter
more than intentions. Puniyani
Is it your contention that because you are a libertarian- whatever that
might mean to you, that your views are objective -
No. It should have been clear from whatever I wrote in the context, which is
about consequences vs intentions.
just to remind you that despite your confessed ignorance of
The Charmed Life of
Communismhttp://curmudgeonjoy.blogspot.com/2008/05/charmed-life-of-communism.html
It
should come as a surprise to no one by now to learn that one of the greatest
storms of barbarism the world has ever seen, in which much of the cultural
heritage of China was destroyed, was met
Constitution is not Gospel. However, Constitution also has checks and
balances, but no Constitution is as good as its implementation. However, a
belief in constitutional law is an absolute must, fortunately it exists in
this country. Otherwise, we would have become another Pakistan.
it forecasts
Salwa Judum, originally meant to be a solution, has become part of the
problem.
Salwa Judum is similar to the proposed 'social audit' in as much as it is an
outsourcing of state authority without accountability.
Best regards,
Murali
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Anivar Aravind [EMAIL
it is quite natural for the people who are socially, racially, politically
and economically enjoying the rights within the constitutional framework to
uphold the 'holiness' of the constitution.
Isn't it obvious that the socially, racially, politically and economically
disadvantaged require the
Terror apology of course comes in different shades. The branding of anybody
who questions the dominant politically correct view on terrorism as Hindu
fanatics has skewed the debate in favor of the real fanatics. After all, who
in his right senses want to be labeled a Hindutvavadi?
RSS might have
Please explain how criticizing the political position of the human rights
activists can be 'an outrageous measure of hate'? The conclusions arrived at
are based on the analysis of the statement by the 'human rights' activists
themselves. Nowhere does the blogger make any statements favouring
Is your problem with the State using violence or using unlawful or
unconstitutional violence?
If it is the first, I can't agree with you. The state has and only the State
has the normative right to use force against non-state actors (and
state-actors, if the need be), the application of which is
I find this statement of the professor interesting:
*One also recalls Supreme court decisions to shift the cases out of Gujarat,
indicating that all is not hunky and dory as far as our systems are
concerned.*
That also indicates that the system could correct itself, and is not
hopelessly
This 'liberal democratic' logic has got one intrinsic predicament: The
armed forces should not seize state power, but it's head can, *
constitutionally.
*So what? There is a long distance from 'can' to 'will', at least for India.
I think this debate lay bare the caste-community configuration of
but, somebody imagines the 'absolute' justice derived from the
constitution and advocates for the flawless police/ military actions
to maintain the law and order rejecting all civil society initiatives to
observe the accountability of the state, has clear dominant class-race
politics.
Where is
http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2008/05/15/after-terrorists-their-apologists-strike/#more-2897
After terrorists, their apologists
strikehttp://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2008/05/15/after-terrorists-their-apologists-strike/
*Can human rights activists be far behind?*
We know the routine.
It is indeed heartening to note that the UN Human Rights Council has taken
note of India's shameless treatment of alternative sexuality. It is good
that this august body has decided to slam India on this. We must also
thank the UN body for magnanimously sending their 'special rapporteur', Ms
Asma
Apparently not. That's why Ahmedinejad, the Hamas, Fidel Castro and Hugo
Chavez all become front runners in the 'anti-imperialistic' struggle. After
all, 'we were all Hezbollah' for a week or so, weren't we?
Best regards,
Murali
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:08 PM, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let me add this one comment, perhaps the last in this thread:
Sainath's problem is not that he frames issues in an ideological frame work.
Nor is it that he sensationalizes issues way beyond the limits. The issue is
that he dishes out wrong data and outright lies as eternal truth :
You dont need to read the NSS or Economic Survey of India or the annual
UNDP Human development report, just read any newspaper regularly and you
find stories of food crisis across the world post neo-liberalism. It hs
become acute especially now..
Again, where is the causality? Food crises and
To claim Swami Aiyar's credentials based on his Oxonian MA smacks of
colonial hangover and academic snobbery. To claim Swami Aiyar's credentials
based on his Oxonian MA smacks of colonial hangover and academic snobbery.
Sorry, you don't seem to have read what I wrote:
*At any rate, I value him
Afthab Sahib,
Forget for the moment that the Communist offenders make the Westerners
look like Gandhis. Why should the West's crime be a shield for Communist
atrocities?
Best regards,
Murali.
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Afthab Ellath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought I was listening
Neither - 'Communist offenders', I said.
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you suggesting that people should be tried for believing in communism
or trying to practice it? Sounds as dangerous as McCarthyism, witch-hunting
and the Crusades to me.
I didn't say that I don't know or have no comments, if that is what you
imply, but take any issue, there are sufficient number of 'well educated',
'computer literate' people who do not know a thing about it. This is from
personal experience.
I don't find any difference between 'you have to
Though not a direct answer to the question, the following comment from
Theodore Dalrymple on cultural Marxism, a.k.a Political Correctness is
illuminating:
*Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of
communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of
NGOistan is the abdication of the state, and EU is the superstate, that
imposes its own system through the back door. EU too in a way represents
abdication of the state. Both NGOistan and EU are non-democratic in nature,
though the latter has a parliament of sorts. However, the pernicious effects
I really don't understand what the objections against 'private postmortem'
are. Is it that bodies of the deceased are used as study tools without their
consent? Is it the concern that the postmortem results could be manipulated
somehow? What difference could postmortems conducted in government
Then it is not just denying justice, but is outright illegal.
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Post Mortem is a medico---legal action forming part of Police
action.as per criminal law, nobody other than Civil surgeon or doctors
entrusted by Government have
The gape is widening due to these aggressive neo-liberal
policies(argusengupta's report on unorganised sector).
I often smile it this kind of straw-man attacks on neo-liberalism, which is
a regular feature of Leftist discourse. The assumption here is that India
has instituted wide ranging
Without doubt, NGOistan is a bad idea. So are supra-governments like the EU.
Best regards.
Murali
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:12 AM, C.K. Vishwanath
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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While I am at a loss to understand how to do away with the values that
govern this development paradigm, the least I can hope is that mainstreaming
Dalits and Adivasis is going to seriously affect the 10% GDP growth (in any
case, its not a true representative of growth of the people)
Did you
I wonder who gave permission to the factory in the environmentally fragile
Palani hills. Hindustan Photo Films was similarly setup in an even more
fragile place like the Nilgiris. This is sheer madness.
If this had happened in the US, the top executives would be in jail and the
company would have
Just watched in Asianet, VS Achuthanandan's statement that the most people
involved in the struggle own land and houses. Why can't the government get
the right data on this with its machinery? Looks like it doesn't want to.
Best regards,
Murali
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Dileep Raj [EMAIL
People's March is an independent revolutionary paper. It supports all
revolutionary movements including the Maoist movements in India, Nepal and
elsewhere.
It is interesting that a weekly that supports anti-democratic, anti-national
terrorist movements like the Maoists is seeking refuge under
Finally a legal challenge to a law that forces every political party to
either swear by an indefensible ideology or to lie through their teeth:
http://www.livemint.com/2007/12/06001031/India8217s-socialist-mandat.html
Best regards,
Murali
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In the interests of balanced reporting, which The Hindu never ceases
to espouse...
I wonder where this gentleman got this impression from. The Hindu has never
espoused balanced reporting. The ideological blinkers had been in place all
along (at least since N Ram took over). For example, a recent
The only amusing thing in this sordid drama unfolding in Nandigram is the
rift in the Left 'parivar'. It's schadenfreude time for 'evil neo-liberals'
like me :) (with respect to the rift of course, not the gore).
What the scholars essentially say is that, it is ok to hush up Nandigram
because we
On the contrary, they disbelieve these stories just for the reasons you
mentioned; reasons originating from politics and ideology.
Does this mean that, the 'fact of the matter', logic etc. are secondary and
politics alone is the key? Thanks for pointing this out - that this indeed
is the case is
9% GDP growth is widely inclusive
*By Swaminathan S. Anklesaria Aiyar*
The leftist critics are right when they say India's record GDP grow-th is
bypassing rural millions. This tragedy arises from massive government
failure to provide decent education and infrastructure to every village
despite
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/230661.html*
*
*On terror, a policy of evasion*
**
Tavleen Singh
*Posted online: Sunday, October 21, 2007 at hrs IST *
It so happens that shortly before the terrorist attack on Benazir Bhutto's
homecoming procession in Karachi last week, I met a
Why are the acts of terror by the RSS not seen among the realities?
If you haven't noticed it, the article is about terrorism. The RSS's
activities, howsoever deplorable, doesn't come under the definition of
'terrorism'. Even the most rabid elements of the Bajrang Dal do not
manufacture bombs,
the maninderjit singh bitta that the above report mentions is the same
youth
congress leader who played an important role in facilitating SP
Gill's covert action against terrorism
So fighting and defeating terrorism in Punjab was a bad thing, right?
I am not a fan of Bitta - he is one of the
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