Regina Romsey still hanging on!
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> On Dec 19, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Viv Watkins wrote:
>
> Hello Susan
>
> As Catherine says there are several smocks in the V & A. This is their
> collections page - http://www.vam.ac.uk/page/t/the-collections/ You
I'm still here too and sad that it's gone. I tried the Facebook but nothing
comes thru. I'm discouraged and not a stupid user. I've been using computers
since ARPANET and Compuserve in the 1980s.
Regina
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> On Dec 17, 2015, at 8:48 AM, Kate Bunting
Lots of luck. My long term "guest". Took longer than planned to leave, I had
to really clean, repaint, and tell myself no! I don't have guest room!
Regina
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On Dec 17, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Wicked Frau wrote:
>>
>> I am still here. I have been waiting for
Try WorldCat, or ask your local research librarian. I have at least one
fabulous large format book on the subject but it's downstairs in my personal
library. Real books frequently have photos of original paintings and research
that isn't available on the web.
Regina
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On
Here among the lonely.
Regina Romsey
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On Jan 14, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Robert Pabinquit concertmast...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I still read the posts. As someone who makes clothing for Renaissance casts
there have been many times these posts have come through with a detail I
The authors of The Tudor Tailor series are offering a line of Pinking chisels I
would call them, recreated from original finds. www.tudortailor.com
Regina
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On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:26 AM, lili...@earthlink.net wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, Bonnie Booker wrote:
As far as a
The word fedora comes from an 1882 play by Victorien Sardou Princess Fedora
written for and performed by Sarah Bernhardt. During the play Bernhardt, a
notorious cross dresser wore a center creased soft hat that eventually became a
male affectation.
I'd look for Sarah Bernhardt pictures with
The book uses it to distinguish Short Timer or New rich from the families
who have been leading Venetian families for generations. Kat is from one of
the oldest families in Venice ang therefore her family is one of the. Casa
Longi. The only older family left is Marco's Valdosta clan whose
Considering everything is hand done I have suspicion that the tailor used the
thing that was readily available, his thumb. This is what I do in spacing for
cartridge pleats and it works for me. Simply the width of my thumb, even if I
am marking a flat piece.
Otherwise we know they used paper
Got one!
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On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:09 PM, Sigrid Briansdotter sigridki...@hotmail.com
wrote:
You may be in luck. There doesn't seem to be a limit on the $45 level now.
Regards,
Anne
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 18:11:33 -0800
From: mae...@gmail.com
To: h-cost...@indra.com
On the ones I have, both been gives and bought, a good final polish with fine
grade steel wool makes them smooth as glass. You want your loops to pull along
smoothly. I don't recommend the cheap ones cut with a hack saw from thin
plywood however. You may be putting a significant amount of
I tend to find these at my local Thrift stores too. Frequently the pants have
gotten separated from the rest of the outfit (found one pair in pajamas!).
Sometimes they never show, but the tunic is long and full enough that I wear it
as a dress and scarf anyway. Since I no longer have to
I would question the statement early Christians believed that the Virgin
Mary was impregnated thru the ear.. What evidence do they have for this, or
is it one of those made up see how stupid our ancestors were?
My experience with wimples is that they are very flattering. Also, castles and
Got The Basics of Corset Building. I have all the items. Now a body to
pattern and make one working corset for the 1890s. At 65 I want a real corset
for real clothing. The days of being a Vamp are long gone and totally
uninteresting :-). Anyone else drooling over the OMG That Dress
On 10/23/2011 6:31 AM, Marjorie Wilser wrote:
And your reply to any inquiries will be of course it's my own hair!
I paid for it myself. (or just omit the 2nd sentence)
The trick with any kind of hair bits and pieces (and I see from Fran's
books which I certainly recommend were used
On 10/19/2011 12:54 PM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote:
Good afternoon,
I'm putting the finishing touches on my Halloween costume - actually, a
dress from various Truly Victorian patterns.
I need ideas about what to do with my hair. It's long and very straight.
I need something easy that I can
be in-expensive enough to fool with?
Wanda Pease
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Bummer about the Tax. Live in California?
I wrote to my friend Ian Stevens at David Brown Book Company
(which the announcement said was carrying the book) and low he no longer
works there. Since he was my absolute favorite and successful book
pusher (I'm an addict the way other people
On 2/13/2011 7:16 AM, Charlene Charette wrote:
When the first book came out I ordered a dozen directly from the
publisher and got a really good discount. They sold so quickly I
regretted not getting more. If you have a group of friends who are
interested, you might consider gettting them from
On 2/13/2011 8:57 PM, Charlene Charette wrote:
Generally, I don't think publishers are very good at individual
orders. Bulk orders are more normal for them.
--Charlene
Maybe that was it. I couldn't understand why it was so hard to get them
to take my money by credit card, by Euro-check,
Did I miss this one, or has some mentioned that the companion volume to
the Eleonora of Toledo Moda a Firenzie book is coming out this
spring/Summer. I got a flyer in my Facebook of all places from David
Brown Book company. They are flogging it for $100 when the expected
cover price is $125.
of abbreviations. Nice to have. Nice to round out a
collection.
Regina Romsey
Dear Wanda Pease
We have just received the long-awaited Medieval Garments Reconstructed: Norse
Clothing Patterns from its publisher, Aarhus University Press, in Denmark.
The book is a companion volume to Woven
On 11/12/2010 4:55 AM, Nordtorp-Madson, Michelle A. wrote
: Snip Additionally, there are some museums that are unwilling to put
up details and hi-res photos up because of copyright issues.
Ah the dread Copyright issue and who actually owns historic items,
particularly those in publicly funded
I work for a museum. We have a grand total of 4 staff. We all wear so many hats
we can't keep track of them all. Personally, I'm responsible for the
collection, the exhibitions, all museum security, the desktop publishing,
supervising student fellows and work-studies, managing the climate
Sigh, can we call this a dead horse and stop beating it? If there was
anything interesting mingled with the comments that go on every year I
didn't see them. Just took the thread and related and deleted them.
Waste of bandwidth. Personally I am in a position to either buy the
book from a
On 3/27/2010 12:38 PM, Käthe Barrows wrote:
There is a magic in creating something that the SCA has lost a bit of since
I joined in 1979.
I should have mentioned that I am a Laurel in costuming, and have been
for some time. I understand the magic of trying to make something as
closely
I've been reading Mistress Blanche: Queen Elizabeth 1's Confidante. The
cover picture is the one titled: Queen Elizabeth greeting the Dutch
Emissaries. In the background there is a woman the author tentatively
identifies as Blanche standing next to a Gentleman in gray whom she
identifies as
I remember reading about immigrants to the US prior to about 1950. The very
first thing that they, or those that were coming up in the world did when
the family got a little money coming in to spend on Mom was to hire the
washing done. My brother has a collection of washing widgets (only one
or dry cloth or clothing. First you wring out the
cloth and dry it to a barely damp or dry condition with the wringer and
clothes line (ecologically friendly dryer). After the cloth is damp or dry
you use the Mangle to iron it flat.
One goes with the washer, the other is a large scale iron.
Wanda
I made the split skirt and was very happy with the way it went together and
the directions. I am a total incompetent when it comes to reading pattern
directions, which it why I drape my own or throw them away. I'm always
saying you want me to do WHAT! since they are written in a dialect of
Alexandria Doyle wrote:
I have a wool gown that I need to clean-up/freshen up for wear this
weekend. The last outing with this black wool 15th century kirtle was
at a dusty/windy camp ground. The skirt is covered with dried grass
and such. What is the quickest way to get all this grass and
otsisto wrote:
You can get everything you need from animal sources, even without wooly
sheep. Sinew makes a good cord, and NA's were known to use it. Bark was also
used, but I don't think in pounded form, such as you find in Africa and
Polynesia.
Kim
I remember one of the local Ranger Shows
I just opened a box of my mother's which must have been put away by her
mother not long after she married in 1900. It has several lace neck pieces.
There are collars, both stand up and smooth around the neckline, one
gorgeous one that is a high neck with points across the shoulders and one
down
Sorry, I'm confused. Are you looking for entire ruffs that are black. Made
from black fabric? Or are you looking for a ruff (colored or white) with
black edging? The edging would seem to be not uncommon, I just have never
seen portraits of anyone wearing a black ruff for the basis. What an
of items in private hands that aren't in
the books either.
Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey
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affect you if you accept it
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Saragrace,
I had the same problem while reading the article. I finally had to go
to
page 26 where there is a cutaway version of the entire bodice ensemble and
actually number them from the text. I think the biggest problem comes from
the fact that the innermost garment in period seems
I have a hard time when they give you a canned reasoned response about not
enough people sewing any more so they have to cut back on unprofitable
lines. I live in a small city (Portland, Oregon) I went to three of my
favorite fabric stores today on a quest to see where I could get what for a
Driven all the independent fabric stores out of business within a fair sized
radius by low-balling them and now THEY go out of the Fabric business?
Seems typical. Drive all other possible competition out and leave room only
for the cheap, Chinese stuff, made by people earning cents an hour with
This has been my wallpaper for a long time but with a much more grainy
version. I hope to be wearing something like one of the middle class gowns
(green with a red petticote this weekend!
Thanks you!
Regina
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I love Frog closures too but they don't seem to be standard on English
Elizabethans. However, there is a painting of Elizabeth in a white dress
with frogs, labeled Polish Dress and one of the fameous ones where she is
much older, holding gloves, the dress of a light color with orange frogging
Several people from here in AnTir (SCA Kingdom including the Pacific
Northwest/Northwet of the United States) intend to go to its unveiling in
Florence, Italy in September. The book has been long in the making. To the
point where many of us have gotten tired of the wait and worried about the
The Pacific NorthWet is pretty standard alternate for Pacific Northwest :-)
I'm in Portland, Oregon where it is currently hailing, raining, sunning all
in the same 5 minutes. Since my migraines are pressure triggered, I'm
pretty miserable even though I really love the green this produces as well
And do you have the sales figures on (a) what gangbusters consists of
in terms of both units sold and profits realized, and (b) how many of
these copies were actually sold to SCA members?
Do you? I can ask Ian Stevens when I see him tomorrow. Although I
doubt
that he has such
Well, there went my vow of poverty for the month.
Wanda
On Tuesday 29 April 2008, Robin Netherton wrote:
Just this minute I got my editor's copy of Medieval Clothing
and Textiles
vol. 4, so for those of you who have been asking me, I can now verify it
exists and is making its way over
I must admit that I love all the books you have mentioned with the addition
of A Tailor's Manuel from 1589 by Juan Alcega, translation by Ruth Bean. I
did manage to gather up all the rest of the books available from David Brown
books and they are spoken for or sold. However, I would be surprised
We are just lucky I guess. Most of us garb-and-research-types are
book-aholics. She/he who dies with the most books wins the love
and undying
affection of she/he who inherits the books. :-)
Monica
Truer words were never written :-) I have to watch my back around some of
my friends who
David Brown Book Company/Oxbow Books carries it too. I can't remember
what they're currently charging.
www.oxbowbooks.com
Arlys
David Brown's current listing if for $90 plus shipping (usually $5.00). You
need this book. Grab it before it goes out of print and availability
completely.
Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe
Is it only men's clothes?
Sharon
No. Both women's and men's clothing. Again, this is middle class Spanish,
not the Infanta's. Although they were probably similar in cut and
construction, Royal clothing certainly utilized
Blink, Blink! Hmmm. I see I wasn't as plain about this book as I should
have been if you aren't already familiar. This book was written by a
tailor, Juan Alcega, who worked in the 1580's in Spain. He produced the
Manual to help young tailor's with their art.
If you are thinking full sized
Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe
Can I just add that anyone who doesn't have a copy of this marvellous
book should really think about getting one as a standard reference if
they work on the 16th century, much like Janet Arnold's. I've had my
copy for about 8 years now, and it's
If the lady lives near London the answer is BOROVIC Street and Borovic
Fabrics. This is in the theater district or close to it. I was there years
ago (I know for a fact it is still there) and a new show was opening in a
couple of months. I was behind the set and costume people. They were
I lurk on this list which is for Professional Academics. They do tolerate
and take interest in those without the degrees and tenure tracks. They can
be some of our own Big League SCA members disguised as their Mundane selves
(Duke Finnvarr de Trahe, Sir Andrew of Riga, and more) who actually
I have one word for you: Enabler!!
Book is for Sale on Amazon for a mere (!) $54.00.
Regina
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Nearby motels, crash space, etc.? Being Eugene area I might try sleeping in
my car, but then again maybe not?
Regina Romsey
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Don't forget us completely Bjarne! You do exquisite work. Is there any way
you can remain able to post, but not be inundated by mail you don't want to
read? Maybe the digests so you could just hit delete?
In the meantime, Goodbye, Good Luck.
Wanda
Hi all,
I hate to do this, but i
snip Shrove
Sunday, after a goodly banket in the Parliament
Chamber at Westminster, a masque was presented in
which, amongst many other fancifully attired
personages (the King being one), there entered six
ladies, two of whom were in garments of crymosyne and
purpull, made like long slops,
If you can get a copy of Roy Strong's Elizabethan Icon book, there are
portraits of sisters that are wearing the same dress but in a mirror image
(one faces right, the other left). I think he suggests that paintings were
made of something like this and the face put in to order.
Regina (too lazy
It's from The Local - Sweden's News in English
http://www.thelocal.se/9950/20080211/
What a pity there are no pictures of the reconstruction!
Linda Walton,
(in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.)
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Pity there was absolutely no supporting documentation other than this
... is giving up.
Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey
Live your life so your children can tell their children
That you not only stood for something wonderful,
But that you acted upon it. Dan Zadra
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his garb by hand and being as period as
possible. Interpretation: Sewing machines scare him)
Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey
Live your life so your children can tell their children
That you not only stood for something wonderful,
But that you acted upon it. Dan Zadra
Since I don't do anything that requires plaids, I don't buy them. I do buy
the pure Cobalt Blues, the deep reds, and a full bolt of clear forest green.
Pendleton weaves things other than plaids, so don't count them out when you
are fabric shopping
Wanda
The Pendleton outlet in Redding, CA
(no light streaking) in the big plastic
tubs. I write what is actually on the core and the amount.
Ah! Life is Good!
Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey
Live your life so your children can tell their children
That you not only stood for something wonderful,
But that you acted upon it. Dan Zadra
Just so you know that Ruth isn't being the Dog in the Manger about this, the
book is currently in print and for sale. David Brown Books (look under
Oxbow books for those in the US) has:
Tailor's Pattern Book, 1589: Libro De Geometria, Pratica Y Traca
Go to www.oxbowbooks.com . Choose Click here for US Pricing. Put Alcega
into the Search box and you get:
Tailor's Pattern Book 1589
by Juan de Alcega
This book presents a facsimile of Juan de Alcega's Spanish tailor's guide
from the late 16th century, which `sets out the complicated calculations
produce a purse.
I'm a lot more likely to make one of these than a turn-shoe, worse luck.
Fascinating!
Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey
Live your life so your children can tell their children
That you not only stood for something wonderful,
But that you acted upon it. Dan Zadra
Sadly for me my hair is slowly becoming less thick and every time I get it
evened up it gets a bit shorter as well. I have had good luck back in the
days of thick, long hair, with taking 3 long bobby-pin tightly squeezed
not the loose U shape and put them as equidistant around the bun as I could.
Just an unasked piece of information. Daggers were used for a specific
purpose and it wasn't cutting up your food. All the actual eating knives I
have seen in European Museums and Marc de Gaukler's actual archeological
pieces look a lot like a common eating knife, or a paring knife. The top of
Way to go Karl I'm sure I'm leaving out his other titles, but at least
three of them are Master and Sir and Viscount Karl von Sussen. I bet he has
his own page in the East Kingdom OP.
He may be startled to hear this but He is one of the number Princes that I
respect the most. He is one of
did mention
that Queen Elizabeth's Closet was a pretty sure winner for those of us into
that age. I'm still kicking myself for only buying one of the mispriced
ones!
Wanda Pease
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I don't think those are too earthy at all! Except for the swaddling and
clothing for infants are things I'd really be interested in knowing. Given
the right book I'd probably be willing to spring for the baby stuff too.
Wanda
swaddling
clothing for infants and toddlers
underwear
aprons
I begged for my subscription to start with Volume 41. When I subscribed I
specifically asked to start with 41 because I knew it was the one I really
wanted. Ms. Hague was very nice and made sure I got the correct one to
start with.
You will always be surprised what you can get if you just ask.
Exhibitions
Study Day
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On 11/03/2007 12:47:05 PM, Wanda
Kathy,
This is an incredible collection and should be worth a lot. However the
pool of buyers who can actually pay what they are worth is small. It is
even smaller when you realize that these are garments meant to fit one
person. This means that the lovely lady of size 6 may have to
See you there Robin!!! My check went into the mail yesterday for both
sessions!
Regina/Wanda
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Only the Shadow knows...
Oh, I haven't heard that one in years. The horror of it all is that I
remember listening to it on the Big living room sized radio! Maybe that's
why I remember the horrors of the monthly Attack of the Slime Monster and
the attendant unpleasantness. However, those
ER... Bayreuth being near Nuremberg. Well, they are in much the same way
that LA is close to San Francisco. Always remember that any short-cut
that takes you off the Autobahn will double your travel time :-)
Regina (who lived there many years and just came back from a visit to what
had always
and Nuremberg are about 50 miles apart. I've
known people to drive farther than that for Krispy Kreme donuts! :)
Wanda Pease [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ER... Bayreuth being
near Nuremberg. Well, they are in much the same way
that LA is close to San Francisco
I am wondering where the cooling the linen before ironing
originated. Some
of you mentioned that your mothers taught you to do this. It makes me
wonder if this method was something that was passed down through the
generations. I checked in my 1894 Cole's Dictionary of Dry Goods and
I went in Costume to the book party but didn't get my book with the crowd at
the stroke of midnight! Big Mistake! My book didn't come until after 3pm
and my housemate's until the next day! I have to have that book read by
about 11am because I'm helping my son move his fiancee. She just
I may get banned for saying this, but I was so irritated at the liberties
they took with Umbridge that she grated on me the entire movie. She is so
particularly described as frog-like and wearing an Alice Band (a hair band
for those US types that never saw the Tennille drawings for Alice in
Julian/Matthew I envy you from the bottom of my heart!
Just got back from Germany with photos, Flea Market Stuff, and the worst
respiratory Virus I have every had and moved to tell about it. The trip
planners brought it especially from Old Virginia to infect the raging pack
of us. Lubeck to
Has anyone heard when these are coming? I pre-ordered, but seem to recall
some people saying they had already received theirs?
Sharon C.
I think those who mentioned they had gotten their copies had actually gotten
copies of the first printing. According to Ian Stevens of David Brown
details. Only thing I know now is this puppy is not a costume book but an
academic one more on the order of Queen Elizabeth's Closet. I.e. it isn't
going to be cheap.
Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey
...whatever you've done, whatever you've been, is all, totally, one
hundred percent, your own fault
Get it now! I don't think that there will be another printing as the two
companies that are bringing it out will probably feel that they have
saturated the market for such an expensive book.
Because Ian Stevens is My Man at Davis Brown books I made the same deal with
them and bought the book
, and where they came from by an expert in the field.
He does not expect them to be re-published.
Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey
...whatever you've done, whatever you've been, is all, totally, one
hundred percent, your own fault.
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Glad to hear that Michael Shamansky will also be carrying it. Considering
how quickly the first edition sold out, I don't think we are going to have a
bidding war going on between the two companies. I suspect that those I saw
looking wistfully at the last copy Pastiche had as I laid my plastic
I think we are going to have a better way of getting this book. David Brown
books contacted me because I suggested THEY carry it. That way they can do
all the work of getting it, pricing it (looks like about $99.50 but don't
quote me yet) and making it available. They speak English, they do
Robin,
I have an original bound copy. I'm just heading for work. If no one
else
comes back to you first, I should be about to get it to you in about 9
hours.
Regina Romsey (AnTir)
Does anyone on the list have in their own collection a copy of the
original editions of Herbert
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That looks like the big ones all right. The smaller 1 volume Pictorial
History was published in the US in English in 1964. This one will go onto
my new Optic Book scanner which only handles 8.5 x 11. The big 2 volume set
are too large to go on any xerox I have access to, so it will be a digital
I've got the smaller Pictorial History of Embroidery, 1969, US edition by
Marie Schuette and Sigrid Mueller-Christianson Frederick A. Praeger,
Publisher. It is all in English.
Multnomah County Library puts it this way:
A pictorial history of embroidery / [by] Marie Schuette [and] Sigrid
You didn't see it in the library because I'd had to consult it recently and
it was up by the computer. Now I have a new scanner I'm going to see if I
can scan it in without breaking the binding and have my very own CD/DVD
copy. I would expect that it would also manage to duplicate itself a few
Which is the 336pp., 11.5 x 8.5. (29 colour plates and 463 in
b/w). Praeger
1964 edition?
Beth
That's the little single volume one. I think the two volume tombstone size
books came out in about 1929. Some of the items shown in those books no
longer exist thanks to the Big war that swept
You know that lovely Italian/English book that we all wanted because of the
Eleonora of Toledo stuff? I suggested to Ian Stevens of David Brown Books
that maybe they could get hold of it and distribute it. Michael Shamansky
Art Books was the only place I managed to get mine a year ago. Here is
just go to the http://www.oxbowbooks.com website and click on the $ and do
the search for the Inventories. Warning, Warning Will Robinson. The books
that are on the same page are DANGEROUS to your pocketbook!
Wanda
Hi Wanda,
I am trying to get the Henry VIII book for my Christmas present
Dr. Who?.. or Fold Box from Glory Road
Issue 768
Tardis?
--Sue
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Goodness Gracious but I seem to be putting out a lot of grumpy posts lately.
Museums and many collections make the money to allow them to be open at
all from public donations, a tax stipend, or ticket sales. All of these
come out of the public pocket. Those who will not allow a member of that
; they are Scandinavian (okay, they might have
been Viking (job description not a people). Can Someone help Please!
Saint Phlip?
Wanda Pease
Everything is easy as long as someone else has to do it!
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http
Small Brag. There is a fairly large book with the exhibit, and some
paintings I understood they refused to loan outside of Europe. I have that
book because a friend drove from Frankfurt am Main to Brussels to get it for
me!
Ah, the days of Occupied Germany and 2 DF equaling $1.00! (Ah, the days
Does someone have access to:
Late Viking Age and Medieval Waterford: Excavations 1986-1992 (Hardcover)
by Maurice F. Hurley, Orla M.B. Scully, Sarah W.J. McCutcheon, S. Durack
(Illustrator), G. O'Neill (Illustrator) Institute of Public
Administration
(Oct 1997) ISBN: 1872002986
It is out
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