Podcast discussing many of its uses and benefits here (along with
transcript and show notes):
http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm#129
I find Steve very hard to listen to; stuttering, run on sentences, etc.
if, if the machine is on and allow it to, to properly synchronize
and, and, and
You must have a hard time with normal conversations then...most people
talk that way...when not making speeches
Al wrote:
Podcast discussing many of its uses and benefits here (along with
transcript and show notes):
http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm#129
I find Steve very hard to
At 10:06 AM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
You must have a hard time with normal conversations then...most
people talk that way...when not making speeches
No, Steve can be rather hard to listen to at times. And he is
sometimes factually wrong and sometimes doesn't fix the errors.
Thankfully; _most_ people don't fill in the spaces in their thoughts
with repetitive speech, at least to his degree.
Anthony Q. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You must have a hard time with normal conversations then...most people
talk that way...when not making speeches
Al wrote:
Thane Sherrington wrote:
At 10:06 AM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
You must have a hard time with normal conversations then...most
people talk that way...when not making speeches
No, Steve can be rather hard to listen to at times. And he is
sometimes factually wrong and
At 10:38 AM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
Thane Sherrington wrote:
At 10:06 AM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
You must have a hard time with normal conversations then...most
people talk that way...when not making speeches
No, Steve can be rather hard to listen to at times.
Hello Thane,
Tuesday, February 5, 2008, 9:14:38 AM, you wrote:
At 10:38 AM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
Once one gets used to Steve's style, he is engaging, and the podcasts
are a good starting point for a people who want to learn.
Yes, people could listen to worse.
e.g. We love
Thane Sherrington wrote:
At 10:38 AM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
Thane Sherrington wrote:
At 10:06 AM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
You must have a hard time with normal conversations then...most
people talk that way...when not making speeches
No, Steve can be rather
At 12:40 PM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
I don't know who Uwe Boll is! :)
You need to watch more crappy movies. :) Bloodrayne, for
instance. But don't pay for it. :)
I don't think one can hope to learn any kind of detailed info from
his podcast unless one is already very close
He tries to think and talk at the same time,
and does updates mid-sentence
Rick Glazier
From: Al
I find Steve very hard to listen to; stuttering, run on sentences, etc.
if, if the machine is on and allow it to, to properly synchronize
and, and, and
LOL Uwe's so bad his either infamous for being bad or
totally unknown!
Steve has always been controversial and like some of
the geekier geeks a bit
hard to listen to without good filters on the
listeners. I dig SN even if
there is not total accuracy I think they manage to
explain some tough
@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
You can make the case for home users to use Vista. I wouldn't, but
the case can be made. The problem is for business users. There is
not a single good reason for them to upgrade to Vista and in fact a
lot of bad reasons.
What improvements
V as in Via, go figure you'd have problems with any
brand of board! Now if you
had bought the A7N instead we would not be having this
conversation.
Asus may not be perfect but have made way more good
products than bad. Enough to
be considered a safe choice as one of the top
manufacturers IMHO.
Uh, those policies are pretty common, and it would cripple a citrix farm (for
example) if not...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:17:12 -0600
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
You clearly have not ever worked in a formal IT department
You clearly have no experience working in corporate IT. Corporate IT has
a responsibility to enforce policies set by the company.
Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
IT is generally charged with making sure corp. stuff works, not to lord
over employees like gods.
I personally know someone that had a problem where
they work by not watching the Employees close enough,
and/or catching their illicit activities faster.
All being run from (and on) the company computers.
For other reasons, they accidentally caught them running
some entire very illicit company
What gives you the right to attach non-company owned equipment to a
company owned PC? What happens if your flash drive caused a voltage
spike and ruined the USB ports on the machine? Who is responsible?
There are plenty of good reasons to not let people bring removable media
into work.
(only save expenses at best), so you prove your worth by
having the most streamlined, efficient shop set up. Having a wild wild west
network is just asking for trouble.
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:40:59 -0500
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP
: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:05:18 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
What gives you the right to attach non-company owned equipment to a
company owned PC? What happens if your flash drive caused a voltage
spike and ruined the USB ports on the machine
Mass-manufactured PC's suck in general!
Until you consider it's cheaper to replace one then it
is to debug/repair it
esp. if your corp. bought a large number of them at a
clip which elevates your
support level.
Joe User wrote:
OK... so we've had XP/Vista, 'The AV argument', next
is Dell vs.
What I like about them is a single vendor to go to for support.
If I have RAM go bad, I call up Dell and I have a replacement the next
day. If I have RAM go bad in a whitebox, I have to remember where I
bought the RAM, then either go to them (if it's generic) or go to
Crucial, Corsair,
Go to this page and sign the Save XP petition. Friends don't let
friends get stuck with Vista.
http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/
T
, January 15, 2008 8:19 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Save XP!
Go to this page and sign the Save XP petition. Friends don't let
friends get stuck with Vista.
http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/
T
Sherrington
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:19 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Save XP!
Go to this page and sign the Save XP petition. Friends don't let
friends get stuck with Vista.
http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/
T
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Brian Weeden
Technical
The Beave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is getting to be ridiculous. Yes, Vista is different.
Respectfully, I think the point is that there is room for both.
best,
al
.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:05 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
You can make the case for home users to use Vista. I wouldn't, but
the case can
. Frankly, the
interface is among the least interesting things about Vista for me.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:05 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
You
The Beave Lider
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http://www.myspace.com/dowbeave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:19 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Save XP
Greg,
Can we agree that IT administrators is a very small subset of total
expected/planned users? I do understand your focus, but let's look at
this just a bit more broadly. Thanks.
Best,
Duncan
At 13:05 01/15/2008 -0600, you wrote:
I disagree. There are a number of substantial improvements in
Bravo T !!
Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:19 AM
Subject: [H] Save XP!
Go to this page and sign the Save XP petition. Friends don't let
friends get stuck with Vista.
http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/
T
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane
Sherrington
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:19 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Save XP!
Go to this page and sign the Save XP petition. Friends don't let
friends get stuck with Vista.
http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/
T
, January 15, 2008 1:42 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
Greg,
Can we agree that IT administrators is a very small subset of total
expected/planned users? I do understand your focus, but let's look at
this just a bit more broadly. Thanks.
Best,
Duncan
At 13:05
Of DHSinclair
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:42 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
Greg,
Can we agree that IT administrators is a very small subset of total
expected/planned users? I do understand your focus, but let's look at
this just a bit more broadly. Thanks.
Best
Of DHSinclair
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:42 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
Greg,
Can we agree that IT administrators is a very small subset of total
expected/planned users? I do understand your focus, but let's look at
this just a bit more broadly
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.myspace.com/dowbeave
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:19 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Save XP!
Go to this page and sign
]
http://www.myspace.com/dowbeave
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:19 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Save XP!
Go to this page and sign the Save XP petition. Friends don't let
is especially
bad for IT admins.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DHSinclair
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:42 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
Greg,
Can we agree that IT administrators is a very
, 2008 1:42 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
Greg,
Can we agree that IT administrators is a very small subset of total
expected/planned users? I do understand your focus, but let's look at
this just a bit more broadly. Thanks.
Best,
Duncan
At 13:05
At 02:04 PM 15/01/2008, Brian Weeden wrote:
What improvements have Microsoft added to Vista? DX10 gaming, HD and
BluRay video playback (via HDCP and lots of DRM of course), cool
window animations and glassy effects. NONE of those should be used in
the average workplace and in fact if I were
to Brian's primary position that Vista is especially
bad for IT admins.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DHSinclair
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:42 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
Greg,
Can we agree
bad for IT admins.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DHSinclair
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:42 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
Greg,
Can we agree that IT administrators is a very small subset
Brian,
Is this true? Wow! Stevie is just a thief! $399? Even given it includes both
32-bit and 64-bit versions of Vista. To me, that is just robbery.
Even at $200 a pop. I accept that MS has a right to make money, but.
But then, I am retired now, so most every 'cost' I read is a big
OOps! I routed my reply to the wrong person. Please excuse me Tim.
I suppose I may still be learning Email also. :)_
Best,
Duncan
At 13:24 01/15/2008 -0800, you wrote:
snip
I have bought the complete DVD version of Vista Ultimate, includes 32-bit
and 64-bit versions of the OS for my
: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:59 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
OK. OK. Let's calm down a bit. I did not mean to step on any sore
nerves
(although there does seem to be lots of these with Vista).
My thought: An IT Admin is that person that works in a commercial
One of the big things I'm looking forward to is the new ability to block
hardware installation by device ID via GPO. I would absolutely love to
prevent people from attaching their iPods to machines on my network...\
You can't prevent people from attaching their iPods to their machines.
productivity, it becomes a whole new ball game...
Greg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:56 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
One of the big things
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
OK. OK. Let's calm down a bit. I did not mean to step on any sore
nerves
(although there does seem to be lots of these with Vista).
My thought: An IT Admin is that person that works in a commercial space
to
maintain his/her
So when Microsoft announces that it will be soon dropping all support
for Windows XP
If they don't want to support it then it's too bad that they can't
just release the code and make it open source!
Gee, wouldn't that be interesting!
One of the problems is that Windows is not made up of 100% Microsoft
code. Plus you'd need some sort of free compiler to build it - I don't
think gcc will build Windows.
Winterlight wrote:
So when Microsoft announces that it will be soon dropping all support
for Windows XP
If they don't
Yes you most certainly prevent people from attaching any sort of device
to a computer.
How is this playing God if these are corporate PC's? Users plugging in
ipods, flash drives, etc. is a security risk. End users should not be
using their company owned computers for anything but doing work.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DHSinclair
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:33 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
OOps! I routed my reply to the wrong person. Please excuse me Tim.
I suppose I may still be learning Email also
Well, yea. But, mostly only for the open source folks.
Doesn't blow my dress up at all here in the dining room
..after 7-9 versions of MS OS's.
I do get it though. I suppose that if they did, they would be
signing their own going out of business notice.
Best,
Duncan
At 15:16 01/15/2008
Thanks Ben,
That is really what I was trying to not so gracefully get to.
I agree with this totally. IT gets to be internet COP. That is what the
folks are paid for. Whether we like this or not is a separate discussion.
Best,
Duncan
At 18:24 01/15/2008 -0500, you wrote:
Yes you most certainly
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
OOps! I routed my reply to the wrong person. Please excuse me Tim.
I suppose I may still be learning Email also. :)_
Best,
Duncan
At 13:24 01/15/2008 -0800, you wrote:
snip
I have bought the complete DVD version of Vista Ultimate, includes 32-bit
and 64-bit
Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A few months back,
we spent a significant period of time troubleshooting Outlook issues that
turned out to be caused by an iTunes plugin that can sync with the iPod.
That's time we shouldn't have had to spend.
I can't agree with this more. Back when i
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
One of the big things I'm looking forward to is the new ability to
block
hardware installation by device ID via GPO. I would absolutely love
to
prevent people from attaching their iPods to machines on my
network...\
You can't
It is not always a security risk for a user to attach a flash drive.
What, you think everyone there is an idiot but you? Please explain how
connecting a flash drive to a PC means they are doing anything but
working? Get real people. ARe you glued to your work every minute you
are there? Do
IT is generally charged with making sure corp. stuff works, not to lord
over employees like gods.
DHSinclair wrote:
Thanks Ben,
That is really what I was trying to not so gracefully get to.
I agree with this totally. IT gets to be internet COP. That is what
the
folks are paid for. Whether
You can't prevent them from pluggin in the cables, though you can make
the PC not react to their actions.
I don't care if they plug them in. It won't do anything, and that's the
point.
Why do you have this god complex...I don't mind them bringing them in
and using them...just don't attach
place.
Greg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:08 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
IT is generally charged with making sure corp. stuff works
-Original Message-
From: Greg Sevart
You clearly have not ever worked in a formal IT department in
a corporate
environment. Frankly, if corporate executive management knew it was
possible, they'd have us implement software restriction
policies to only
allow Outlook, Excel,
-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:08 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
IT is generally charged with making sure corp. stuff works, not to lord
over employees like gods.
DHSinclair
Greg Sevart wrote:
You can't prevent them from pluggin in the cables, though you can make
the PC not react to their actions.
I don't care if they plug them in. It won't do anything, and that's the
point.
Well, say what you mean, Greg.
Why do you have this god complex...I don't
Absolutely true, though I have worked in corporate environments.
Companies that use such a limited set of apps and impose serious
restrictions also kill off creativity, too. Probably why corp America
is
such a mess these days.
Oh, make no mistake--I have no desire to clamp things down that
Greg Sevart wrote:
Absolutely true, though I have worked in corporate environments.
Companies that use such a limited set of apps and impose serious
restrictions also kill off creativity, too. Probably why corp America
is
such a mess these days.
Oh, make no mistake--I have no desire to
At 06:48 PM 15/01/2008, Greg Sevart wrote:
I admin (in a team) over 100 workstations and over 30 servers on a corporate
network. We deploy pretty nice machines--almost everybody has a dual-core
box with 2GB of memory and dual monitors. Vista should, from a hardware
perspective, do quite decent.
Anthony,
I was agreeing with you until this post.
Yes, a company, and its' IT department, can and should control their
machines, network, and what their employees do with same. The PC is a tool
to enable worker productivity. The machines, and all the bits and bytes on
them belong to the
Ben,
Yes, I know. I had very a very cordial relationship with my company's IT
folk. For a time I was one too, but that was before Windows! In a corp.
network, somebody has to be the cop. Tough job all around.
Hat's off to anyone who works a corp. IT job. JMHO.
Best,
Duncan
At 19:08
OK... so we've had XP/Vista, 'The AV argument', next is Dell vs.
Custom Built/White boxes...
DELL SUCKS.
DING!!! - Round ONE
--
Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
At 09:23 PM 15/01/2008, Joe User wrote:
OK... so we've had XP/Vista, 'The AV argument', next is Dell vs.
Custom Built/White boxes...
DELL SUCKS.
DING!!! - Round ONE
ROTFL!
Here's another Dell story: Customer brings in a Dell laptop that
won't boot. She's already talked to Dell who
ROTFLMAO
Waiting for round 2!
Best,
Duncan
At 19:23 01/15/2008 -0600, you wrote:
OK... so we've had XP/Vista, 'The AV argument', next is Dell vs.
Custom Built/White boxes...
DELL SUCKS.
DING!!! - Round ONE
--
Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
/dowbeave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DHSinclair
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:43 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
Wow! Still pretty expensive. Whatever. I still plan to wait or avoid.
Thanks Tim.
Best,
Duncan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DHSinclair
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:37 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
OK, really waiting for round 3
: [H] Save XP!
At 09:23 PM 15/01/2008, Joe User wrote:
OK... so we've had XP/Vista, 'The AV argument', next is Dell vs.
Custom Built/White boxes...
DELL SUCKS.
DING!!! - Round ONE
ROTFL!
Here's another Dell story: Customer brings in a Dell laptop that
won't boot. She's already
Hello Thane,
Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 7:28:18 PM, you wrote:
ROTFL!
Here's another Dell story: Customer brings in a Dell laptop that
won't boot. She's already talked to Dell who has told her that her
Windows is damaged and needs to be reinstalled. The Dell geniuses
have tested the
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