Foreman kings...@internode.com.au
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they
don't owe you anything.
I'm actually more annoyed at the people on the list who have changed it
into
what it is today rather then a useful list like it used to be. I don't
care
about your
So where else is it possible to have a discussion? The Steam forums?
Yeah, right.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM, sixtysixno...@hotmail.com wrote:
Well Said
-Original Message-
From: Kingsley Foreman kings...@internode.com.au
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer
of programming and software development.
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:12:41 -0500
From: richard@gmail.com
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
If Valve doesn't do everything we say, they suck. If Valve doesn't fix
everything now, they suck
: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
I agree.
Kveri
Blood Letter wrote / napísal(a):
If Valve completely ignores server operators who provide free servers,
without which their games would be useless, they suck.
If Valve lets long standing bugs, exploits, and security issues
mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they don't owe
you anything.
I've stayed quiet on this one but seriously i'm sick of the spam. If you
want to whine about Valve go create your own mail list and feel free to do
it all you want. [snip, for great justice
-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Foreman
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they don't owe
you anything.
I've stayed quiet on this one but seriously i'm
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
Agreed!
Jon
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[hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kveri [kv...@kveri.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:07 PM
To: Half-Life
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From: Jon cha...@trashedgamers.com
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hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
Agreed!
Jon
From: hlds-boun
...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:22 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they don't owe
you anything.
Posting 40, 50, and 60
@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they don't owe
you anything.
Before you make your post on a subject, please read what was posted and
not just assume you read it all. There was never anyone screaming about
a boycott or alike. It sounds like your rant is more
Well Said
-Original Message-
From: Kingsley Foreman kings...@internode.com.au
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they
don't owe you anything.
I'm actually more annoyed at the people on the list who have changed it
into
what it is today rather
?
-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
] On Behalf Of msleeper
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:22 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer
-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Foreman
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:41 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they don't
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they
don'toweyouanything.
Understood, Kingsley.
And the people suffering from this bug aren't asking for help at this
point. We're BEGGING for it. We want to know when this problem will be
fixed as it is a major problem that's causing
-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they
don't owe you anything.
Posting 40, 50, and 60 page threads with COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN
MADE
FOR WEEKS is spam though, Karl. We get it, you have your panties in a
wad
: Friday, January 09, 2009 8:27 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they
don'toweyouanything.
Understood, Kingsley.
And the people suffering from this bug aren't asking for help
with that. :)
-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:09 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer
Of msleeper
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:09 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they
don't owe you anything.
BUT DARREN THIS IS NOT HOW KARL WOULD RUN THINGS IF IT WERE HIS
COMPANY,
HE HAS BEEN WORKING
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
] On Behalf Of msleeper
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:09 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they
don't owe you anything.
BUT DARREN THIS IS NOT HOW KARL WOULD RUN
...@internode.com.au
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they
don't owe you anything.
I'm actually more annoyed at the people on the list who have changed it
into
what it is today rather then a useful list like it used to be. I don't
care
about your business, what
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
This is fairly obviously an unconstructive troll, but it also does a
nice
job of summing up why the situation is ridiculous - valve really
couldn't
care less about perfectly
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
This is fairly obviously an unconstructive troll, but it also does a
nice
job of summing up why the situation is ridiculous - valve really
couldn't
care less about perfectly
: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:50 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
This is fairly obviously an unconstructive troll, but it also does a
nice
job of summing up why the situation is ridiculous - valve really
couldn't
development.
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:12:41 -0500
From: richard@gmail.com
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
If Valve doesn't do everything we say, they suck. If Valve doesn't fix
everything now, they suck. If Valve doesn't kiss our
still supporting them
From: mikesti...@gmail.com
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:50:56 -0600
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
Thank you..
Really month after month it's the same complaints about Valve yet month
after month nothing
i ask valve add hud message display back into Counter-Strike Source about 1
year, they haven't do anything, just add few line into ClientScheme.res, how
difficult?
but Team Fortress 2 include hud message display, why Counter-Strike Source
can't, is it fair?
Yes it is fair if you have to ask.
Do you know how much developers get paid? - It wouldn't be worth the money
for them to pay one developer to work on this for an hour just so you can
have something that was never in the release.
You have paid for CS:S (hopefully) its provided 'as-is' anything
ya, HUD display something wrong in CS:S, but not in TF2 and HL2:DM
something wrong in old engine(HL2:DM,CS:S)?
something wrong in famous game(CS:S)?
if valve remove HUD display COMPLETELY from server side client side
forever, i want to see how many plugin will die
and i never say HUD display
Well said Richard!
I really wouldnt be suprised if we got an almighty mother of an update to
l4d fairly soon!
On 1/6/09, Richard Eid richard@gmail.com wrote:
If Valve doesn't do everything we say, they suck. If Valve doesn't fix
everything now, they suck. If Valve doesn't kiss our asses
The problem is that they add more bugs than they fix, I don't think
they test updates at all. It sad since TF2 was so polished in beta and
then there has been a lot of half bad changes and a bunch of bugs.
Some examples:
Since the recent engi update:
*Flame/backburn attack animation never stops
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
If Valve doesn't do everything we say, they suck. If Valve doesn't fix
everything now, they suck. If Valve doesn't kiss our asses every second of
every day, they suck. They don't care, they won't fix
, 6 Jan 2009 11:12:41 -0500
From: richard@gmail.com
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
If Valve doesn't do everything we say, they suck. If Valve doesn't fix
everything now, they suck. If Valve doesn't kiss our asses every
.
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:12:41 -0500
From: richard@gmail.com
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
If Valve doesn't do everything we say, they suck. If Valve doesn't fix
everything now, they suck. If Valve doesn't kiss our asses every
.
-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of SakeFox
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:04 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
it's been basically
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
If Valve completely ignores server operators who provide free servers,
without which their games would be useless, they suck.
If Valve lets long standing bugs, exploits, and security issues go
Comments about working over Christmas are hardly reasonable in this case. We're
paying customers, who pay additional money to support other paying customers'
ability to play the game. Since the game launched the Sourcemod team have
ported their API to L4D's engine and I've written plugins to
...@gmail.com
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
If you had ANY remote idea of how many hardware/os configurations there are
out there that could cause problems, you would be a little more lenient.
While some of valve's releases have been
...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Mike Stiehm
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:40 AM
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
It's like talking to a brick wall.. Let them spam the list
This is fairly obviously an unconstructive troll, but it also does a nice job
of summing up why the situation is ridiculous - valve really couldn't care less
about perfectly valid complaints about their game being broken as all hell.
They don't even reply to the list with we're looking at this
differences, as they are experienced by
all, and are repeatable.
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:12:15 +
From: oli...@gmail.com
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
If you had ANY remote idea of how many hardware/os configurations
David Kellaway wrote:
As an aside, if you're a developer and you or your company considers bug
reports to be 'spam', I'd love to know where you work so I can never buy any
of their products.
This is hardly a bug report.
The List: OMG! THIS DOESN'T WORK!!!11!!! VALVE IS THE SUXXORS!!!
Bug
They already have this from some 500 messages back.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Leonard L. Church
t...@mostdeadlygame.comwrote:
Bug Report: Steps to Reproduce, Detailed Machine stats, dxdiag report,
exact error message.
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Machine/Configuration: ANY
Error message: NONE
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:13:43 -0800
From: t...@mostdeadlygame.com
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
David Kellaway wrote:
As an aside, if you're a developer and you or your
-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
Yes.. Like that..
But I can't get it to reproduce.
I've actually haven't been dropped at all on servers that I play on
(Mostly vanilla, but some with a few mods). So it's something else
apparently
So how many of you are willing to shut down your servers for a week in
Protest?
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...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:54 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
Yes.. Like that..
But I can't get it to reproduce.
I've actually haven't been dropped at all on servers
server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
So how many of you are willing to shut down your servers for a week in
Protest?
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hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:54 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
Yes.. Like that..
But I can't get it to reproduce
...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:54 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
Yes.. Like that..
But I can't get
Of Clyde cide
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:18 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
So how many of you are willing to shut down your servers for a week in
Protest
dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
I doubt a boycott/shutdown would do anything significant.
Kind of like this current thread yeah?
On Jan 6, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Karl Weckstrom wrote:
We don't need anything that drastic - just some
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
This is fairly obviously an unconstructive troll, but it also does a nice
job of summing up why the situation is ridiculous - valve really couldn't
care less about perfectly valid complaints about their game being broken as
all hell
...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of David Kellaway
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:50 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
This is fairly obviously an unconstructive troll, but it also does
...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of David
Kellaway
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:50 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
This is fairly obviously an unconstructive troll
I posted this in another thread, but it wouldn't be good to steal it or really
bring that thread down so i thought i would just make a new one.
I don't know how many people will post in this or if it will go anywhere, but
it's time to make a post to tell valve how we feel. I used to defend and
mailing list
Subject: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
I posted this in another thread, but it wouldn't be good to steal it or
really bring that thread down so i thought i would just make a new one.
I don't know how many people will post in this or if it will go anywhere,
but it's time
...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rapp
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:51 PM
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
Hi SakeFox,
I don't think that this is the place to post
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