Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
And let this be a reminder to all of you that mentioning that any RAID level is negative emotional manner on a forum that technical people frequent, is just plain a bad idea, even if you are only saying that RAID 3 is bad. Jacob Hejl wrote: Just let your emailclient filter them out. /Jacob -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Michael Secord Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 12:27 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Aaron, While you have a good thought, that won't workthe list is controlled by email addresses...you could remove a person/email, but they could rejoin with a different one...making the initial removal pointless. People just need to grow up and actually act like adults... *shrugs* Just my $0.02. -Michael Aaron Rapp wrote: Valve...It would be very nice for you to get involved here. Remove these people from the list and implement moderators. It would do a huge amount of good to the quality of feedback you would get from this list. Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of f0rkz Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:10 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Oooor I can just sit here and see how long it takes for you to pull out of your drunken stuper. You were the one to start this and I am quite the stubborn ass when it comes to pricks like you. Maybe I should just unsubscribe from this list since its you waving your dick around at everyone that doesn't join your cool club. Oh pease can I become a self centered prick like you? Please? On Apr 30, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Well , when you unsubscribe, can you take sleeper with you too? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:59 PM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: Seeing as all you do is sit on here and bitch, yeah I am the real girl. I don't even know why I subscribe to the Win32 lists seems nothing but bullshit flying around. Mostly from your mouth. On Apr 30, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Yeah, im sorry F0rkz, your a decent girl and i dont wanna hurt your feelings. You and sleeper make a great couple. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Xtenz, Its unfortunate you got 'pwned' by msleeper there. What can can i say. He's just a l33t dick mouthing off as per usual. Dont worry though, no one likes him, we all think hes a total cock. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:22 AM, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: Would hardly call you a normal human being. But that's what makes it interesting. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:16:52 To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile device? Sent from my PC like a normal human being On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for mirrored (ex146GB) array. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose That's ok sir. The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is striped mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just requiring 2 disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes some vendors may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be a better solution in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar wise, but because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end capacity for a game server. Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Jake E jackac...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Rosewill. Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains most of it I guess. HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for rushing to conclusions. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: What kind is it? On 4/29/09, Jake E jackac...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. RAID is simple Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic RESTORE Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that polls all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update info for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 and used one for my system. It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and 10. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID
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I honestly think its funny how he can successfully get a rise from everyone on a day to day basis. It is almost like you look for his posts just to get your daily BP raise. On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:51 AM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Xtenz, Its unfortunate you got 'pwned' by msleeper there. What can can i say. He's just a l33t dick mouthing off as per usual. Dont worry though, no one likes him, we all think hes a total cock. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:22 AM, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: Would hardly call you a normal human being. But that's what makes it interesting. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:16:52 To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile device? Sent from my PC like a normal human being On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for mirrored (ex146GB) array. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose That's ok sir. The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is striped mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just requiring 2 disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes some vendors may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be a better solution in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar wise, but because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end capacity for a game server. Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Jake E jackac...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Rosewill. Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains most of it I guess. HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for rushing to conclusions. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: What kind is it? On 4/29/09, Jake E jackac...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. RAID is simple Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic RESTORE Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that polls all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update info for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 and used one for my system. It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and 10. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would
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Hehe, I was more enjoying the razing more than anything. I have been lurking, on and off, for the last couple of years and knew what to expect. I think msleeper was reffering to the 1hr it took for me to correct my foul simple math. It was a good call. Geek social interaction is not one of life's greatest graces...;) Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:17:59 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose I honestly think its funny how he can successfully get a rise from everyone on a day to day basis. It is almost like you look for his posts just to get your daily BP raise. On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:51 AM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Xtenz, Its unfortunate you got 'pwned' by msleeper there. What can can i say. He's just a l33t dick mouthing off as per usual. Dont worry though, no one likes him, we all think hes a total cock. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:22 AM, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: Would hardly call you a normal human being. But that's what makes it interesting. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:16:52 To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile device? Sent from my PC like a normal human being On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for mirrored (ex146GB) array. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose That's ok sir. The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is striped mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just requiring 2 disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes some vendors may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be a better solution in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar wise, but because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end capacity for a game server. Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Jake E jackac...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Rosewill. Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains most of it I guess. HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for rushing to conclusions. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: What kind is it? On 4/29/09, Jake E jackac...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. RAID is simple Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic RESTORE Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that polls all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update info for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 and used one for my system. It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and 10. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown
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Irrelevant to server administration. [FLASH] MjrNuT Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality www.flamesandash.com -Original Message- From: msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:16:52 To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile device? Sent from my PC like a normal human being ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Not everyone. Mostly just Patrick Shelley who obviously has some secret crush on msleeper. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:17 AM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I honestly think its funny how he can successfully get a rise from everyone on a day to day basis. It is almost like you look for his posts just to get your daily BP raise. On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:51 AM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Xtenz, Its unfortunate you got 'pwned' by msleeper there. What can can i say. He's just a l33t dick mouthing off as per usual. Dont worry though, no one likes him, we all think hes a total cock. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:22 AM, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: Would hardly call you a normal human being. But that's what makes it interesting. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:16:52 To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile device? Sent from my PC like a normal human being On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for mirrored (ex146GB) array. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose That's ok sir. The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is striped mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just requiring 2 disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes some vendors may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be a better solution in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar wise, but because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end capacity for a game server. Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Jake E jackac...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Rosewill. Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains most of it I guess. HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for rushing to conclusions. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: What kind is it? On 4/29/09, Jake E jackac...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. RAID is simple Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic RESTORE Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that polls all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update info for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 and used one for my system. It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and 10. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
Oh sorry, there seems to be some list members that actually enjoy sleepers rudeness - Add 2 more to the obnoxious sleeper fanclub - Dustin Wyatt and F0rkz You're up to 3 people on the list who like you sleeper!! Well done!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I can form my own opinions, thanks. Piss off. Also, being as I am one of sleeper's IRL coworkers and friends there is no fan club. So piss off there as well. You in fact have been nothing but rude yourself, and for that piss off. On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Oh sorry, there seems to be some list members that actually enjoy sleepers rudeness - Add 2 more to the obnoxious sleeper fanclub - Dustin Wyatt and F0rkz You're up to 3 people on the list who like you sleeper!! Well done!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Your just as bad as he is, troll On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I can form my own opinions, thanks. Piss off. Also, being as I am one of sleeper's IRL coworkers and friends there is no fan club. So piss off there as well. You in fact have been nothing but rude yourself, and for that piss off. On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Oh sorry, there seems to be some list members that actually enjoy sleepers rudeness - Add 2 more to the obnoxious sleeper fanclub - Dustin Wyatt and F0rkz You're up to 3 people on the list who like you sleeper!! Well done!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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And you're a fucking prick. On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Your just as bad as he is, troll On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I can form my own opinions, thanks. Piss off. Also, being as I am one of sleeper's IRL coworkers and friends there is no fan club. So piss off there as well. You in fact have been nothing but rude yourself, and for that piss off. On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Oh sorry, there seems to be some list members that actually enjoy sleepers rudeness - Add 2 more to the obnoxious sleeper fanclub - Dustin Wyatt and F0rkz You're up to 3 people on the list who like you sleeper!! Well done!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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lol, lovers. f0rkz wrote: I can form my own opinions, thanks. Piss off. Also, being as I am one of sleeper's IRL coworkers and friends there is no fan club. So piss off there as well. You in fact have been nothing but rude yourself, and for that piss off. On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Oh sorry, there seems to be some list members that actually enjoy sleepers rudeness - Add 2 more to the obnoxious sleeper fanclub - Dustin Wyatt and F0rkz You're up to 3 people on the list who like you sleeper!! Well done!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Yo Pattycake, you DID egg him on you know. Which in effect makes YOU the troll. And because I have to point this out to you, it in effect makes ME a troll. Thanks Patty. 3 -mauirixxx -Sent from a morning of PDF editing hell. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:34 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Your just as bad as he is, troll On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I can form my own opinions, thanks. Piss off. Also, being as I am one of sleeper's IRL coworkers and friends there is no fan club. So piss off there as well. You in fact have been nothing but rude yourself, and for that piss off. On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Oh sorry, there seems to be some list members that actually enjoy sleepers rudeness - Add 2 more to the obnoxious sleeper fanclub - Dustin Wyatt and F0rkz You're up to 3 people on the list who like you sleeper!! Well done!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Damn it...I wish this list had moderators. No post gets sent to the list, unless a moderator approves it. That's the way to do it. Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kitteny Berk Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:37 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose lol, lovers. f0rkz wrote: I can form my own opinions, thanks. Piss off. Also, being as I am one of sleeper's IRL coworkers and friends there is no fan club. So piss off there as well. You in fact have been nothing but rude yourself, and for that piss off. On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Oh sorry, there seems to be some list members that actually enjoy sleepers rudeness - Add 2 more to the obnoxious sleeper fanclub - Dustin Wyatt and F0rkz You're up to 3 people on the list who like you sleeper!! Well done!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Hey guys can we get back to talking about servers and pointless RAID setups or is this going to continue to be the msleeper mailing list. On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 09:37 -1000, Rick Payton wrote: Yo Pattycake, you DID egg him on you know. Which in effect makes YOU the troll. And because I have to point this out to you, it in effect makes ME a troll. Thanks Patty. 3 -mauirixxx -Sent from a morning of PDF editing hell. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:34 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Your just as bad as he is, troll On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I can form my own opinions, thanks. Piss off. Also, being as I am one of sleeper's IRL coworkers and friends there is no fan club. So piss off there as well. You in fact have been nothing but rude yourself, and for that piss off. On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Oh sorry, there seems to be some list members that actually enjoy sleepers rudeness - Add 2 more to the obnoxious sleeper fanclub - Dustin Wyatt and F0rkz You're up to 3 people on the list who like you sleeper!! Well done!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Ok RiCk, fAiR cOmMeNt On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Rick Payton r...@mai-hawaii.com wrote: Yo Pattycake, you DID egg him on you know. Which in effect makes YOU the troll. And because I have to point this out to you, it in effect makes ME a troll. Thanks Patty. 3 -mauirixxx -Sent from a morning of PDF editing hell. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:34 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Your just as bad as he is, troll On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I can form my own opinions, thanks. Piss off. Also, being as I am one of sleeper's IRL coworkers and friends there is no fan club. So piss off there as well. You in fact have been nothing but rude yourself, and for that piss off. On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Oh sorry, there seems to be some list members that actually enjoy sleepers rudeness - Add 2 more to the obnoxious sleeper fanclub - Dustin Wyatt and F0rkz You're up to 3 people on the list who like you sleeper!! Well done!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I promise to ***TRY** my hardest to ignore him and his girlfriend F0rkz ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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The Linux mailing list is so much nicer. -Mike On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Patrick Shelley sidest...@gmail.comwrote: Ok RiCk, fAiR cOmMeNt On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Rick Payton r...@mai-hawaii.com wrote: Yo Pattycake, you DID egg him on you know. Which in effect makes YOU the troll. And because I have to point this out to you, it in effect makes ME a troll. Thanks Patty. 3 -mauirixxx -Sent from a morning of PDF editing hell. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:34 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Your just as bad as he is, troll On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I can form my own opinions, thanks. Piss off. Also, being as I am one of sleeper's IRL coworkers and friends there is no fan club. So piss off there as well. You in fact have been nothing but rude yourself, and for that piss off. On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Oh sorry, there seems to be some list members that actually enjoy sleepers rudeness - Add 2 more to the obnoxious sleeper fanclub - Dustin Wyatt and F0rkz You're up to 3 people on the list who like you sleeper!! Well done!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Seriously?? Piss off. Aren't you the drunkard that apologized for being a drunk asshat on here? Yeah I think that is right. Go do some shots and flame some more because thats all it will amount down to. You being a prick and us just dealing with you being a prick. On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: I promise to ***TRY** my hardest to ignore him and his girlfriend F0rkz ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Just stop. Seriously. You both could do this individually. Copy and paste the people you hate and their email address...and flame away. Otherwise, you're just annoying the rest of us. Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of f0rkz Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:33 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Seriously?? Piss off. Aren't you the drunkard that apologized for being a drunk asshat on here? Yeah I think that is right. Go do some shots and flame some more because thats all it will amount down to. You being a prick and us just dealing with you being a prick. On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: I promise to ***TRY** my hardest to ignore him and his girlfriend F0rkz ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Yeah, im sorry F0rkz, your a decent girl and i dont wanna hurt your feelings. You and sleeper make a great couple. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Seeing as all you do is sit on here and bitch, yeah I am the real girl. I don't even know why I subscribe to the Win32 lists seems nothing but bullshit flying around. Mostly from your mouth. On Apr 30, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Yeah, im sorry F0rkz, your a decent girl and i dont wanna hurt your feelings. You and sleeper make a great couple. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Well , when you unsubscribe, can you take sleeper with you too? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:59 PM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: Seeing as all you do is sit on here and bitch, yeah I am the real girl. I don't even know why I subscribe to the Win32 lists seems nothing but bullshit flying around. Mostly from your mouth. On Apr 30, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Yeah, im sorry F0rkz, your a decent girl and i dont wanna hurt your feelings. You and sleeper make a great couple. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Oooor I can just sit here and see how long it takes for you to pull out of your drunken stuper. You were the one to start this and I am quite the stubborn ass when it comes to pricks like you. Maybe I should just unsubscribe from this list since its you waving your dick around at everyone that doesn't join your cool club. Oh pease can I become a self centered prick like you? Please? On Apr 30, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Well , when you unsubscribe, can you take sleeper with you too? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:59 PM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: Seeing as all you do is sit on here and bitch, yeah I am the real girl. I don't even know why I subscribe to the Win32 lists seems nothing but bullshit flying around. Mostly from your mouth. On Apr 30, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Yeah, im sorry F0rkz, your a decent girl and i dont wanna hurt your feelings. You and sleeper make a great couple. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Valve...It would be very nice for you to get involved here. Remove these people from the list and implement moderators. It would do a huge amount of good to the quality of feedback you would get from this list. Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of f0rkz Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:10 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Oooor I can just sit here and see how long it takes for you to pull out of your drunken stuper. You were the one to start this and I am quite the stubborn ass when it comes to pricks like you. Maybe I should just unsubscribe from this list since its you waving your dick around at everyone that doesn't join your cool club. Oh pease can I become a self centered prick like you? Please? On Apr 30, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Well , when you unsubscribe, can you take sleeper with you too? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:59 PM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: Seeing as all you do is sit on here and bitch, yeah I am the real girl. I don't even know why I subscribe to the Win32 lists seems nothing but bullshit flying around. Mostly from your mouth. On Apr 30, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Yeah, im sorry F0rkz, your a decent girl and i dont wanna hurt your feelings. You and sleeper make a great couple. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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On this occassion im not drunk, but i find it sooo amusing to see you defend your boyfriend i almost cant stop. You didnt like it when i mocked him did you? But as he does it on a regular basis to other people i'll chime in and mock like he does to others. I think you need to get some perspective about being self centered, best off going to sleeper for that advice. The only selfishness im displaying here is a dis-courtesy to the others on the list by clogging them up with shite. I'll stop out of courtesy for the others, not because i dont want to spar with you all night. I wouldnt want to see you unsubscribe deary, or sleeper for that matter - after all, his contributions are as valuable as a chocolate tea pot. Go ahead, get the last word in - i'll let have that. Now is that being self centered? By the way, how does sleeper's ass taste these days? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I would agree with you Aaron. Ive thought many times about removing myself from the list as daily when i get home i see about 40 unread messages. 75% of which are pointless. Aaron Rapp wrote: Valve...It would be very nice for you to get involved here. Remove these people from the list and implement moderators. It would do a huge amount of good to the quality of feedback you would get from this list. Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of f0rkz Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:10 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Oooor I can just sit here and see how long it takes for you to pull out of your drunken stuper. You were the one to start this and I am quite the stubborn ass when it comes to pricks like you. Maybe I should just unsubscribe from this list since its you waving your dick around at everyone that doesn't join your cool club. Oh pease can I become a self centered prick like you? Please? On Apr 30, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Well , when you unsubscribe, can you take sleeper with you too? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:59 PM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: Seeing as all you do is sit on here and bitch, yeah I am the real girl. I don't even know why I subscribe to the Win32 lists seems nothing but bullshit flying around. Mostly from your mouth. On Apr 30, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Yeah, im sorry F0rkz, your a decent girl and i dont wanna hurt your feelings. You and sleeper make a great couple. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4047 (20090430) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4047 (20090430) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Aaron, While you have a good thought, that won't workthe list is controlled by email addresses...you could remove a person/email, but they could rejoin with a different one...making the initial removal pointless. People just need to grow up and actually act like adults... *shrugs* Just my $0.02. -Michael Aaron Rapp wrote: Valve...It would be very nice for you to get involved here. Remove these people from the list and implement moderators. It would do a huge amount of good to the quality of feedback you would get from this list. Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of f0rkz Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:10 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Oooor I can just sit here and see how long it takes for you to pull out of your drunken stuper. You were the one to start this and I am quite the stubborn ass when it comes to pricks like you. Maybe I should just unsubscribe from this list since its you waving your dick around at everyone that doesn't join your cool club. Oh pease can I become a self centered prick like you? Please? On Apr 30, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Well , when you unsubscribe, can you take sleeper with you too? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:59 PM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: Seeing as all you do is sit on here and bitch, yeah I am the real girl. I don't even know why I subscribe to the Win32 lists seems nothing but bullshit flying around. Mostly from your mouth. On Apr 30, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Yeah, im sorry F0rkz, your a decent girl and i dont wanna hurt your feelings. You and sleeper make a great couple. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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This is why we still can't have nice things. I almost wish Valve would go to a forum now so I wouldn't have to read all this crap in my inbox. People wonder why they were even considering it. I'd rather deal with the slowness of the forums than deal with this crap. Valve, can we get some administration here and terminate some failures from our (once) nice mailing list? Thanks! On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Patrick Shelley sidest...@gmail.comwrote: On this occassion im not drunk, but i find it sooo amusing to see you defend your boyfriend i almost cant stop. You didnt like it when i mocked him did you? But as he does it on a regular basis to other people i'll chime in and mock like he does to others. I think you need to get some perspective about being self centered, best off going to sleeper for that advice. The only selfishness im displaying here is a dis-courtesy to the others on the list by clogging them up with shite. I'll stop out of courtesy for the others, not because i dont want to spar with you all night. I wouldnt want to see you unsubscribe deary, or sleeper for that matter - after all, his contributions are as valuable as a chocolate tea pot. Go ahead, get the last word in - i'll let have that. Now is that being self centered? By the way, how does sleeper's ass taste these days? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I'm a noob when it comes to mailing lists, but is it possible to have a filter, so to speak, that a moderator would allow a message through or wouldn't allow it through? I know it sounds like a lot of work for a moderator, but if there were 3 or 4 per list...it might ease up. I just think it's gotten incredibly ridiculous lately. I have a rule set in my Outlook for all HLDS to go to one folder, but it's when it comes into my blackberry that things get bogged down with pointless messages. Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose This is why we still can't have nice things. I almost wish Valve would go to a forum now so I wouldn't have to read all this crap in my inbox. People wonder why they were even considering it. I'd rather deal with the slowness of the forums than deal with this crap. Valve, can we get some administration here and terminate some failures from our (once) nice mailing list? Thanks! On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Patrick Shelley sidest...@gmail.comwrote: On this occassion im not drunk, but i find it sooo amusing to see you defend your boyfriend i almost cant stop. You didnt like it when i mocked him did you? But as he does it on a regular basis to other people i'll chime in and mock like he does to others. I think you need to get some perspective about being self centered, best off going to sleeper for that advice. The only selfishness im displaying here is a dis-courtesy to the others on the list by clogging them up with shite. I'll stop out of courtesy for the others, not because i dont want to spar with you all night. I wouldnt want to see you unsubscribe deary, or sleeper for that matter - after all, his contributions are as valuable as a chocolate tea pot. Go ahead, get the last word in - i'll let have that. Now is that being self centered? By the way, how does sleeper's ass taste these days? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
I'm pretty sure they're using mailman or whatever it's called which is a generic mailing list software. I don't think there is a moderated mailing list package. The easy fix to not having hlds spam go to your phone is to stop mailing to/from your phone. Just throwing that out there. On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 15:37 -0700, Aaron Rapp wrote: I'm a noob when it comes to mailing lists, but is it possible to have a filter, so to speak, that a moderator would allow a message through or wouldn't allow it through? I know it sounds like a lot of work for a moderator, but if there were 3 or 4 per list...it might ease up. I just think it's gotten incredibly ridiculous lately. I have a rule set in my Outlook for all HLDS to go to one folder, but it's when it comes into my blackberry that things get bogged down with pointless messages. Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose This is why we still can't have nice things. I almost wish Valve would go to a forum now so I wouldn't have to read all this crap in my inbox. People wonder why they were even considering it. I'd rather deal with the slowness of the forums than deal with this crap. Valve, can we get some administration here and terminate some failures from our (once) nice mailing list? Thanks! On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Patrick Shelley sidest...@gmail.comwrote: On this occassion im not drunk, but i find it sooo amusing to see you defend your boyfriend i almost cant stop. You didnt like it when i mocked him did you? But as he does it on a regular basis to other people i'll chime in and mock like he does to others. I think you need to get some perspective about being self centered, best off going to sleeper for that advice. The only selfishness im displaying here is a dis-courtesy to the others on the list by clogging them up with shite. I'll stop out of courtesy for the others, not because i dont want to spar with you all night. I wouldnt want to see you unsubscribe deary, or sleeper for that matter - after all, his contributions are as valuable as a chocolate tea pot. Go ahead, get the last word in - i'll let have that. Now is that being self centered? By the way, how does sleeper's ass taste these days? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
I'm inclined to believe theres *at least* 5 people on this list who would be happy to moderate for the sake of the community and the integrity of this list. -- Brian Farrell Velocity Servers Inc. bfarr...@velocity-servers.net O: 800-518-9716 ext 102 M: 716-861-2235 - Original Message - From: Aaron Rapp r...@iz3d.com To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose I'm a noob when it comes to mailing lists, but is it possible to have a filter, so to speak, that a moderator would allow a message through or wouldn't allow it through? I know it sounds like a lot of work for a moderator, but if there were 3 or 4 per list...it might ease up. I just think it's gotten incredibly ridiculous lately. I have a rule set in my Outlook for all HLDS to go to one folder, but it's when it comes into my blackberry that things get bogged down with pointless messages. Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose This is why we still can't have nice things. I almost wish Valve would go to a forum now so I wouldn't have to read all this crap in my inbox. People wonder why they were even considering it. I'd rather deal with the slowness of the forums than deal with this crap. Valve, can we get some administration here and terminate some failures from our (once) nice mailing list? Thanks! On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Patrick Shelley sidest...@gmail.comwrote: On this occassion im not drunk, but i find it sooo amusing to see you defend your boyfriend i almost cant stop. You didnt like it when i mocked him did you? But as he does it on a regular basis to other people i'll chime in and mock like he does to others. I think you need to get some perspective about being self centered, best off going to sleeper for that advice. The only selfishness im displaying here is a dis-courtesy to the others on the list by clogging them up with shite. I'll stop out of courtesy for the others, not because i dont want to spar with you all night. I wouldnt want to see you unsubscribe deary, or sleeper for that matter - after all, his contributions are as valuable as a chocolate tea pot. Go ahead, get the last word in - i'll let have that. Now is that being self centered? By the way, how does sleeper's ass taste these days? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I am done pointing out faults in the fact that Patrick mr cool Shelley hunts down msleeper's posts just to sit there and flame. It is honestly pretty funny on a day to day basis. Anyhow, moderation would be awesome. Then I could see my ass moderated and kept in check. I blame my Irish heritage :) Also, enough with the gay jokes... Srsly? Thats all you got? On Apr 30, 2009, at 6:44 PM, msleeper wrote: I'm pretty sure they're using mailman or whatever it's called which is a generic mailing list software. I don't think there is a moderated mailing list package. The easy fix to not having hlds spam go to your phone is to stop mailing to/from your phone. Just throwing that out there. On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 15:37 -0700, Aaron Rapp wrote: I'm a noob when it comes to mailing lists, but is it possible to have a filter, so to speak, that a moderator would allow a message through or wouldn't allow it through? I know it sounds like a lot of work for a moderator, but if there were 3 or 4 per list...it might ease up. I just think it's gotten incredibly ridiculous lately. I have a rule set in my Outlook for all HLDS to go to one folder, but it's when it comes into my blackberry that things get bogged down with pointless messages. Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose This is why we still can't have nice things. I almost wish Valve would go to a forum now so I wouldn't have to read all this crap in my inbox. People wonder why they were even considering it. I'd rather deal with the slowness of the forums than deal with this crap. Valve, can we get some administration here and terminate some failures from our (once) nice mailing list? Thanks! On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Patrick Shelley sidest...@gmail.comwrote: On this occassion im not drunk, but i find it sooo amusing to see you defend your boyfriend i almost cant stop. You didnt like it when i mocked him did you? But as he does it on a regular basis to other people i'll chime in and mock like he does to others. I think you need to get some perspective about being self centered, best off going to sleeper for that advice. The only selfishness im displaying here is a dis-courtesy to the others on the list by clogging them up with shite. I'll stop out of courtesy for the others, not because i dont want to spar with you all night. I wouldnt want to see you unsubscribe deary, or sleeper for that matter - after all, his contributions are as valuable as a chocolate tea pot. Go ahead, get the last word in - i'll let have that. Now is that being self centered? By the way, how does sleeper's ass taste these days? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose (Aaron Rapp)
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Wow, trust google to save the day. Nice find! 2009/4/30 Mike O'Laughlen molaugh...@gmail.com I found this gmail feature helpful: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=47787 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Sent from Olly's SEGA Game Gear ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Same here. I find it interesting that hlcoders is quite quiet, and whatever is on there is useful 98% of the time. On this mailing list, its only about 30% of the time. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Brian Farrell brian.h...@velocity-servers.net wrote: I'm inclined to believe theres *at least* 5 people on this list who would be happy to moderate for the sake of the community and the integrity of this list. -- Brian Farrell Velocity Servers Inc. bfarr...@velocity-servers.net O: 800-518-9716 ext 102 M: 716-861-2235 - Original Message - From: Aaron Rapp r...@iz3d.com To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose I'm a noob when it comes to mailing lists, but is it possible to have a filter, so to speak, that a moderator would allow a message through or wouldn't allow it through? I know it sounds like a lot of work for a moderator, but if there were 3 or 4 per list...it might ease up. I just think it's gotten incredibly ridiculous lately. I have a rule set in my Outlook for all HLDS to go to one folder, but it's when it comes into my blackberry that things get bogged down with pointless messages. Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose This is why we still can't have nice things. I almost wish Valve would go to a forum now so I wouldn't have to read all this crap in my inbox. People wonder why they were even considering it. I'd rather deal with the slowness of the forums than deal with this crap. Valve, can we get some administration here and terminate some failures from our (once) nice mailing list? Thanks! On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Patrick Shelley sidest...@gmail.comwrote: On this occassion im not drunk, but i find it sooo amusing to see you defend your boyfriend i almost cant stop. You didnt like it when i mocked him did you? But as he does it on a regular basis to other people i'll chime in and mock like he does to others. I think you need to get some perspective about being self centered, best off going to sleeper for that advice. The only selfishness im displaying here is a dis-courtesy to the others on the list by clogging them up with shite. I'll stop out of courtesy for the others, not because i dont want to spar with you all night. I wouldnt want to see you unsubscribe deary, or sleeper for that matter - after all, his contributions are as valuable as a chocolate tea pot. Go ahead, get the last word in - i'll let have that. Now is that being self centered? By the way, how does sleeper's ass taste these days? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
Ya lets hire someone and have him sort through every email that we send to the list. It would be a full time job haha. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Aaron Rapp r...@iz3d.com wrote: Damn it...I wish this list had moderators. No post gets sent to the list, unless a moderator approves it. That's the way to do it. Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kitteny Berk Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:37 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose lol, lovers. f0rkz wrote: I can form my own opinions, thanks. Piss off. Also, being as I am one of sleeper's IRL coworkers and friends there is no fan club. So piss off there as well. You in fact have been nothing but rude yourself, and for that piss off. On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Oh sorry, there seems to be some list members that actually enjoy sleepers rudeness - Add 2 more to the obnoxious sleeper fanclub - Dustin Wyatt and F0rkz You're up to 3 people on the list who like you sleeper!! Well done!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
My blackberry software has a web interface that you can set filters so that mail with certain subjects and the such don't get sent to the phone. This is what I do to prevent spam/hlcoders stuff going to my phone. I just need to figure out how to make it play a cha-ching sound every time I get a paypal payment. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rapp Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:37 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose I'm a noob when it comes to mailing lists, but is it possible to have a filter, so to speak, that a moderator would allow a message through or wouldn't allow it through? I know it sounds like a lot of work for a moderator, but if there were 3 or 4 per list...it might ease up. I just think it's gotten incredibly ridiculous lately. I have a rule set in my Outlook for all HLDS to go to one folder, but it's when it comes into my blackberry that things get bogged down with pointless messages. Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose This is why we still can't have nice things. I almost wish Valve would go to a forum now so I wouldn't have to read all this crap in my inbox. People wonder why they were even considering it. I'd rather deal with the slowness of the forums than deal with this crap. Valve, can we get some administration here and terminate some failures from our (once) nice mailing list? Thanks! On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Patrick Shelley sidest...@gmail.comwrote: On this occassion im not drunk, but i find it sooo amusing to see you defend your boyfriend i almost cant stop. You didnt like it when i mocked him did you? But as he does it on a regular basis to other people i'll chime in and mock like he does to others. I think you need to get some perspective about being self centered, best off going to sleeper for that advice. The only selfishness im displaying here is a dis-courtesy to the others on the list by clogging them up with shite. I'll stop out of courtesy for the others, not because i dont want to spar with you all night. I wouldnt want to see you unsubscribe deary, or sleeper for that matter - after all, his contributions are as valuable as a chocolate tea pot. Go ahead, get the last word in - i'll let have that. Now is that being self centered? By the way, how does sleeper's ass taste these days? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
Just let your emailclient filter them out. /Jacob -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Michael Secord Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 12:27 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Aaron, While you have a good thought, that won't workthe list is controlled by email addresses...you could remove a person/email, but they could rejoin with a different one...making the initial removal pointless. People just need to grow up and actually act like adults... *shrugs* Just my $0.02. -Michael Aaron Rapp wrote: Valve...It would be very nice for you to get involved here. Remove these people from the list and implement moderators. It would do a huge amount of good to the quality of feedback you would get from this list. Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of f0rkz Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:10 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Oooor I can just sit here and see how long it takes for you to pull out of your drunken stuper. You were the one to start this and I am quite the stubborn ass when it comes to pricks like you. Maybe I should just unsubscribe from this list since its you waving your dick around at everyone that doesn't join your cool club. Oh pease can I become a self centered prick like you? Please? On Apr 30, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Well , when you unsubscribe, can you take sleeper with you too? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:59 PM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: Seeing as all you do is sit on here and bitch, yeah I am the real girl. I don't even know why I subscribe to the Win32 lists seems nothing but bullshit flying around. Mostly from your mouth. On Apr 30, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: Yeah, im sorry F0rkz, your a decent girl and i dont wanna hurt your feelings. You and sleeper make a great couple. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
That's the beauty of RAID5 - you're only in trouble if 2 HDDs fail at once. If you're worried about that, then that's what RAID10 is for. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Mike Stiehm Sent: Wednesday, 29 April 2009 8:22 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose One month after I sent my server to my colo I had a hd fail on me. Thank god for raid 5 Kenny Loggins ClanAO.com On Apr 28, 2009, at 3:22 PM, SmOoThEm ad...@righttorule.com wrote: Also, if you colo your servers like we do then a hd failure costs a lot of time and money to get the os reloaded vs replacing one disk and having no downtime. ;) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Adam Nowacki Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:42 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose msleeper wrote: Frankly I don't know why you would want to have a RAID setup for your game server anyway. Maybe you do something differently than I do but I don't keep any sensitive or un-backed up data on mine, and even then it can all be replaced pretty easily. Plugins can be redownloaded, maps can be reuploaded, configs can be replaced. Adding RAID is just complicating things unnecessarily. Because another disk is just so cheap compared to the total server price, and you get high reliability and better read performance almost for free. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4041 (20090428) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4041 (20090428) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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What happened to RAID 6? Noone liked those $3,000 controllers? On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com wrote: That's the beauty of RAID5 - you're only in trouble if 2 HDDs fail at once. If you're worried about that, then that's what RAID10 is for. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Mike Stiehm Sent: Wednesday, 29 April 2009 8:22 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose One month after I sent my server to my colo I had a hd fail on me. Thank god for raid 5 Kenny Loggins ClanAO.com On Apr 28, 2009, at 3:22 PM, SmOoThEm ad...@righttorule.com wrote: Also, if you colo your servers like we do then a hd failure costs a lot of time and money to get the os reloaded vs replacing one disk and having no downtime. ;) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Adam Nowacki Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:42 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose msleeper wrote: Frankly I don't know why you would want to have a RAID setup for your game server anyway. Maybe you do something differently than I do but I don't keep any sensitive or un-backed up data on mine, and even then it can all be replaced pretty easily. Plugins can be redownloaded, maps can be reuploaded, configs can be replaced. Adding RAID is just complicating things unnecessarily. Because another disk is just so cheap compared to the total server price, and you get high reliability and better read performance almost for free. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4041 (20090428) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4041 (20090428) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it comes to storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the server change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's not like they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished in time even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it would not be. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma pmadma...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read what's going on, scanning it for useful information. I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are better for the job. The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small mysql databases, and then of course mainly game servers. The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to another down the line, and it will then only run game servers. My Box Specs are 1U 2 x Quad Core Xeons 8GB DDR2 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives under load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade them to Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform quite well, but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on the upgrade path. I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, only to have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. Many Thanks Roy Jonas ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a simple RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, Disk Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you grow. You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my opinion and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or did I miss this in the thread? X Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current SAS/SCSI or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical uptime then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the shorter rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are 2 parity stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable writes required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use VMware to copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, downtime could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure point... Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Donnie Newlove donnie.newl...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it comes to storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the server change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's not like they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished in time even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it would not be. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma pmadma...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read what's going on, scanning it for useful information. I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are better for the job. The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small mysql databases, and then of course mainly game servers. The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to another down the line, and it will then only run game servers. My Box Specs are 1U 2 x Quad Core Xeons 8GB DDR2 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives under load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade them to Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform quite well, but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on the upgrade path. I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, only to have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. Many Thanks Roy Jonas ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http
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But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a simple RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, Disk Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you grow. You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my opinion and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or did I miss this in the thread? X Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current SAS/SCSI or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical uptime then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the shorter rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are 2 parity stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable writes required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use VMware to copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, downtime could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure point... Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Donnie Newlove donnie.newl...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it comes to storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the server change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's not like they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished in time even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it would not be. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma pmadma...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read what's going on, scanning it for useful information. I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are better for the job. The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small mysql databases, and then of course mainly game servers. The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to another down the line, and it will then only run game servers. My Box Specs are 1U 2 x Quad Core Xeons 8GB DDR2 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives under load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade them to Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform quite well, but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on the upgrade path. I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, only to have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. Many Thanks Roy Jonas ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list
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Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a simple RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, Disk Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you grow. You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my opinion and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or did I miss this in the thread? X Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current SAS/SCSI or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical uptime then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the shorter rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are 2 parity stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable writes required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use VMware to copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, downtime could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure point... Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Donnie Newlove donnie.newl...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it comes to storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the server change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's not like they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished in time even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it would not be. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma pmadma...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read what's going on, scanning it for useful information. I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are better for the job. The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small mysql databases, and then of course mainly game servers. The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to another down the line, and it will then only run game servers. My Box Specs are 1U 2 x Quad Core Xeons 8GB DDR2 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives under load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade them to Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform quite well, but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on the upgrade path. I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, only to have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. Many Thanks Roy Jonas ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit
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Depends on the controller really. Some are as easy as putting in the new hdd and hitting a button, but they're expensive. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a simple RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, Disk Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you grow. You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my opinion and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or did I miss this in the thread? X Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current SAS/SCSI or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical uptime then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the shorter rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are 2 parity stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable writes required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use VMware to copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, downtime could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure point... Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Donnie Newlove donnie.newl...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it comes to storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the server change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's not like they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished in time even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it would not be. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma pmadma...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read what's going on, scanning it for useful information. I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are better for the job. The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small mysql databases, and then of course mainly game servers. The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to another down the line, and it will then only run game servers. My Box Specs are 1U 2 x Quad Core Xeons 8GB DDR2 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives under load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade them to Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform quite well, but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on the upgrade path. I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, only to have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. Many Thanks Roy Jonas ___ To unsubscribe, edit
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Yes. RAID is simple Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic RESTORE Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that polls all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update info for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 and used one for my system. It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and 10. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a simple RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, Disk Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you grow. You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my opinion and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or did I miss this in the thread? X Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current SAS/SCSI or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical uptime then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the shorter rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are 2 parity stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable writes required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use VMware to copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, downtime could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure point... Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Donnie Newlove donnie.newl...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it comes to storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the server change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's not like they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished in time even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it would not be. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma pmadma...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read what's going on, scanning it for useful information. I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are better for the job. The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small mysql databases, and then of course mainly game servers. The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to another down the line, and it will then only run game servers. My Box Specs are 1U 2 x Quad Core Xeons 8GB DDR2 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. Should i be worried about the performance of these hard
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Indeed. Unplug drive, plug in drive. Drive rebuilds from exisiting parity/mirror. All of 10 seconds if your slow...;) Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:08:47 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a simple RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, Disk Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you grow. You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my opinion and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or did I miss this in the thread? X Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current SAS/SCSI or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical uptime then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the shorter rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are 2 parity stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable writes required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use VMware to copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, downtime could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure point... Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Donnie Newlove donnie.newl...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it comes to storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the server change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's not like they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished in time even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it would not be. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma pmadma...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read what's going on, scanning it for useful information. I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are better for the job. The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small mysql databases, and then of course mainly game servers. The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to another down the line, and it will then only run game servers. My Box Specs are 1U 2 x Quad Core Xeons 8GB DDR2 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives under load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade them to Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform quite well, but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on the upgrade path. I would hate to put all
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Expensive, as in the minumum amount of disks required for a RAID10 array and expensive as in the end disk capacity. I would not touch and RAID card that was $10 as it is, more than likey, gonna fail on rebuild, impact your server performance as it is offloading all commands to system processors and is made of lego. Not the good lego, but that lego that doesn't fit together. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Jake E jackac...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:37:16 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Yes. RAID is simple Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic RESTORE Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that polls all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update info for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 and used one for my system. It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and 10. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a simple RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, Disk Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you grow. You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my opinion and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or did I miss this in the thread? X Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current SAS/SCSI or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical uptime then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the shorter rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are 2 parity stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable writes required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use VMware to copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, downtime could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure point... Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Donnie Newlove donnie.newl...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it comes to storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the server change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's not like they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished in time even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it would not be. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma pmadma...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read
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What kind is it? On 4/29/09, Jake E jackac...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. RAID is simple Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic RESTORE Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that polls all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update info for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 and used one for my system. It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and 10. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a simple RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, Disk Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you grow. You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my opinion and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or did I miss this in the thread? X Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current SAS/SCSI or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical uptime then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the shorter rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are 2 parity stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable writes required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use VMware to copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, downtime could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure point... Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Donnie Newlove donnie.newl...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it comes to storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the server change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's not like they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished in time even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it would not be. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma pmadma...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read what's going on, scanning it for useful information. I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are better for the job. The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small mysql databases, and then of course mainly game servers. The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to another down the line, and it will then only run game servers. My Box Specs are 1U 2 x Quad Core Xeons 8GB DDR2 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm
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Rosewill. Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains most of it I guess. HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for rushing to conclusions. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: What kind is it? On 4/29/09, Jake E jackac...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. RAID is simple Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic RESTORE Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that polls all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update info for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 and used one for my system. It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and 10. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a simple RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, Disk Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you grow. You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my opinion and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or did I miss this in the thread? X Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current SAS/SCSI or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical uptime then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the shorter rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are 2 parity stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable writes required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use VMware to copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, downtime could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure point... Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Donnie Newlove donnie.newl...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it comes to storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the server change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's not like they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished in time even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it would not be. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma pmadma...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read what's going on, scanning it for useful information. I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running
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That's ok sir. The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is striped mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just requiring 2 disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes some vendors may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be a better solution in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar wise, but because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end capacity for a game server. Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Jake E jackac...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Rosewill. Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains most of it I guess. HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for rushing to conclusions. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: What kind is it? On 4/29/09, Jake E jackac...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. RAID is simple Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic RESTORE Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that polls all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update info for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 and used one for my system. It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and 10. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a simple RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, Disk Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you grow. You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my opinion and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or did I miss this in the thread? X Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current SAS/SCSI or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical uptime then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the shorter rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are 2 parity stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable writes required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use VMware
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Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for mirrored (ex146GB) array. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose That's ok sir. The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is striped mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just requiring 2 disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes some vendors may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be a better solution in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar wise, but because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end capacity for a game server. Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Jake E jackac...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Rosewill. Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains most of it I guess. HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for rushing to conclusions. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: What kind is it? On 4/29/09, Jake E jackac...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. RAID is simple Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic RESTORE Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that polls all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update info for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 and used one for my system. It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and 10. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a simple RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, Disk Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you grow. You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my opinion and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or did I miss this in the thread? X Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current SAS/SCSI or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical uptime then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the shorter
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Blackberries are easy to type on :) On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile device? Sent from my PC like a normal human being On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for mirrored (ex146GB) array. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose That's ok sir. The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is striped mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just requiring 2 disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes some vendors may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be a better solution in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar wise, but because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end capacity for a game server. Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Jake E jackac...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Rosewill. Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains most of it I guess. HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for rushing to conclusions. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: What kind is it? On 4/29/09, Jake E jackac...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. RAID is simple Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic RESTORE Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that polls all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update info for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 and used one for my system. It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and 10. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a simple RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, Disk Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you grow. You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my opinion and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or did I miss this in the thread? X Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt
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Dingleberries pwn all :p From: Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:13:04 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Blackberries are easy to type on :) On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile device? Sent from my PC like a normal human being On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for mirrored (ex146GB) array. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose That's ok sir. The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is striped mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just requiring 2 disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes some vendors may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be a better solution in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar wise, but because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end capacity for a game server. Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Jake E jackac...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Rosewill. Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains most of it I guess. HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for rushing to conclusions. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: What kind is it? On 4/29/09, Jake E jackac...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. RAID is simple Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic RESTORE Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that polls all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update info for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 and used one for my system. It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and 10. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a simple RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, Disk Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you grow. You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my opinion and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince
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Eeew :P On 4/29/09, Robert Whelan mrrjwhe...@yahoo.com wrote: Dingleberries pwn all :p From: Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:13:04 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Blackberries are easy to type on :) On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile device? Sent from my PC like a normal human being On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for mirrored (ex146GB) array. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose That's ok sir. The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is striped mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just requiring 2 disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes some vendors may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be a better solution in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar wise, but because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end capacity for a game server. Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Jake E jackac...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Rosewill. Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains most of it I guess. HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for rushing to conclusions. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: What kind is it? On 4/29/09, Jake E jackac...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. RAID is simple Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic RESTORE Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that polls all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update info for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 and used one for my system. It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and 10. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a simple RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, Disk Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you grow. You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just
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Yes they are. It only took me a couple minutes to rattle it off (big thumbs = repetitive Deletes...;) Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:13:04 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Blackberries are easy to type on :) On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile device? Sent from my PC like a normal human being On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for mirrored (ex146GB) array. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose That's ok sir. The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is striped mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just requiring 2 disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes some vendors may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be a better solution in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar wise, but because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end capacity for a game server. Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Jake E jackac...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Rosewill. Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains most of it I guess. HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for rushing to conclusions. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: What kind is it? On 4/29/09, Jake E jackac...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. RAID is simple Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic RESTORE Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that polls all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update info for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 and used one for my system. It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and 10. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a simple RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, Disk Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you grow. You can always add more
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Would hardly call you a normal human being. But that's what makes it interesting. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:16:52 To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile device? Sent from my PC like a normal human being On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for mirrored (ex146GB) array. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: xt...@shaw.ca Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose That's ok sir. The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is striped mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just requiring 2 disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes some vendors may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be a better solution in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar wise, but because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end capacity for a game server. Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Jake E jackac...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Rosewill. Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains most of it I guess. HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for rushing to conclusions. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: What kind is it? On 4/29/09, Jake E jackac...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. RAID is simple Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic RESTORE Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that polls all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update info for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 and used one for my system. It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and 10. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. On 4/29/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your hard drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a WD Black I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core Clovertown Processors) Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... From: xt...@shaw.ca xt...@shaw.ca To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent than what was asked. You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem the choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with disks or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a simple RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, Disk Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you grow. You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my opinion and opinions will vary upon everyones
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Frankly I don't know why you would want to have a RAID setup for your game server anyway. Maybe you do something differently than I do but I don't keep any sensitive or un-backed up data on mine, and even then it can all be replaced pretty easily. Plugins can be redownloaded, maps can be reuploaded, configs can be replaced. Adding RAID is just complicating things unnecessarily. On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 23:33 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: You're right, I'm retarded. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Matt Drzewiecki mjdrz...@mtu.edu wrote: What he meant to say is RAID 0 - Original Message - From: Lane Eckley l...@hypernia.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:19:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ok, I will bite, how does RAID 1 increase the chance of dataloss? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Yaakov Smith Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:14 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Raid1 increases the chance of data loss. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Adam Nowacki Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2009 12:56 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Just remember it is only a game server that will read some data every now and then (and almost entirely on map change), not a database server doing hundreds of transactions a second. Two 7200rpm drives in software raid1 will be more than enough and sit idle most of the time. mdma wrote: Thanks for your response too, all suggestions or ideas are welcome and greatly appreciated everyone. We are trying to future proof ourselves, and to minimise any hiccups that could be caused by slower SATA drives. Hence the question about fast 10krpm sata's or 15krpm SAS drives, we are still leaning towards SAS even though they are a bit expensive. If it means we run into less problems, down the track when the box does get more of a load on it, we 'll probably go for it(SAS hdd's now rather than later). I really cant see the point of spending more money now on sata's that will probably evenutally have to be upgraded to SAS drives. The money would be better spent now on just buying good quality fast drives and a nice 3ware controller. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Drzewiecki ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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striped to improve read/write times is the only reason to raid on a server box Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:25:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Frankly I don't know why you would want to have a RAID setup for your game server anyway. Maybe you do something differently than I do but I don't keep any sensitive or un-backed up data on mine, and even then it can all be replaced pretty easily. Plugins can be redownloaded, maps can be reuploaded, configs can be replaced. Adding RAID is just complicating things unnecessarily. On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 23:33 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: You're right, I'm retarded. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Matt Drzewiecki mjdrz...@mtu.edu wrote: What he meant to say is RAID 0 - Original Message - From: Lane Eckley l...@hypernia.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:19:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ok, I will bite, how does RAID 1 increase the chance of dataloss? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Yaakov Smith Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:14 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Raid1 increases the chance of data loss. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Adam Nowacki Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2009 12:56 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Just remember it is only a game server that will read some data every now and then (and almost entirely on map change), not a database server doing hundreds of transactions a second. Two 7200rpm drives in software raid1 will be more than enough and sit idle most of the time. mdma wrote: Thanks for your response too, all suggestions or ideas are welcome and greatly appreciated everyone. We are trying to future proof ourselves, and to minimise any hiccups that could be caused by slower SATA drives. Hence the question about fast 10krpm sata's or 15krpm SAS drives, we are still leaning towards SAS even though they are a bit expensive. If it means we run into less problems, down the track when the box does get more of a load on it, we 'll probably go for it(SAS hdd's now rather than later). I really cant see the point of spending more money now on sata's that will probably evenutally have to be upgraded to SAS drives. The money would be better spent now on just buying good quality fast drives and a nice 3ware controller. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Drzewiecki ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™ SkyDrive™: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_042009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http
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Oh you. 3 -Matt On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:25 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Frankly I don't know why you would want to have a RAID setup for your game server anyway. Maybe you do something differently than I do but I don't keep any sensitive or un-backed up data on mine, and even then it can all be replaced pretty easily. Plugins can be redownloaded, maps can be reuploaded, configs can be replaced. Adding RAID is just complicating things unnecessarily. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Yeah but as someone else pointed out, they do barely any read/write traffic. If you're game server is slow, the last thing to worry about is the drive read times. On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 15:30 -0400, Alec Sanger wrote: striped to improve read/write times is the only reason to raid on a server box Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:25:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Frankly I don't know why you would want to have a RAID setup for your game server anyway. Maybe you do something differently than I do but I don't keep any sensitive or un-backed up data on mine, and even then it can all be replaced pretty easily. Plugins can be redownloaded, maps can be reuploaded, configs can be replaced. Adding RAID is just complicating things unnecessarily. On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 23:33 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: You're right, I'm retarded. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Matt Drzewiecki mjdrz...@mtu.edu wrote: What he meant to say is RAID 0 - Original Message - From: Lane Eckley l...@hypernia.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:19:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ok, I will bite, how does RAID 1 increase the chance of dataloss? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Yaakov Smith Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:14 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Raid1 increases the chance of data loss. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Adam Nowacki Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2009 12:56 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Just remember it is only a game server that will read some data every now and then (and almost entirely on map change), not a database server doing hundreds of transactions a second. Two 7200rpm drives in software raid1 will be more than enough and sit idle most of the time. mdma wrote: Thanks for your response too, all suggestions or ideas are welcome and greatly appreciated everyone. We are trying to future proof ourselves, and to minimise any hiccups that could be caused by slower SATA drives. Hence the question about fast 10krpm sata's or 15krpm SAS drives, we are still leaning towards SAS even though they are a bit expensive. If it means we run into less problems, down the track when the box does get more of a load on it, we 'll probably go for it(SAS hdd's now rather than later). I really cant see the point of spending more money now on sata's that will probably evenutally have to be upgraded to SAS drives. The money would be better spent now on just buying good quality fast drives and a nice 3ware controller. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Drzewiecki ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http
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msleeper wrote: Frankly I don't know why you would want to have a RAID setup for your game server anyway. Maybe you do something differently than I do but I don't keep any sensitive or un-backed up data on mine, and even then it can all be replaced pretty easily. Plugins can be redownloaded, maps can be reuploaded, configs can be replaced. Adding RAID is just complicating things unnecessarily. Because another disk is just so cheap compared to the total server price, and you get high reliability and better read performance almost for free. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Also, if you colo your servers like we do then a hd failure costs a lot of time and money to get the os reloaded vs replacing one disk and having no downtime. ;) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Adam Nowacki Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:42 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose msleeper wrote: Frankly I don't know why you would want to have a RAID setup for your game server anyway. Maybe you do something differently than I do but I don't keep any sensitive or un-backed up data on mine, and even then it can all be replaced pretty easily. Plugins can be redownloaded, maps can be reuploaded, configs can be replaced. Adding RAID is just complicating things unnecessarily. Because another disk is just so cheap compared to the total server price, and you get high reliability and better read performance almost for free. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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That is why I use RAID, especially on servers in other states. Also remember don't go cheap on a RAID controller, make sure you get a hardware controller with built on memory. You will notice a performance increase. A built in battery is always a good idea as well. This might be a bit more costly but in the long run you will be happy. Last week I had a OS drive go bad, I just sent it back to manufacture and today it came in and I rebuilt the array without any downtime at all. Game server owners didn't even know the difference. RAID isn't a necessity to run game servers, but can really come in handy. Zach Tate -Original Message- From: SmOoThEm [mailto:ad...@righttorule.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:22 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Also, if you colo your servers like we do then a hd failure costs a lot of time and money to get the os reloaded vs replacing one disk and having no downtime. ;) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Adam Nowacki Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:42 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose msleeper wrote: Frankly I don't know why you would want to have a RAID setup for your game server anyway. Maybe you do something differently than I do but I don't keep any sensitive or un-backed up data on mine, and even then it can all be replaced pretty easily. Plugins can be redownloaded, maps can be reuploaded, configs can be replaced. Adding RAID is just complicating things unnecessarily. Because another disk is just so cheap compared to the total server price, and you get high reliability and better read performance almost for free. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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One month after I sent my server to my colo I had a hd fail on me. Thank god for raid 5 Kenny Loggins ClanAO.com On Apr 28, 2009, at 3:22 PM, SmOoThEm ad...@righttorule.com wrote: Also, if you colo your servers like we do then a hd failure costs a lot of time and money to get the os reloaded vs replacing one disk and having no downtime. ;) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Adam Nowacki Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:42 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose msleeper wrote: Frankly I don't know why you would want to have a RAID setup for your game server anyway. Maybe you do something differently than I do but I don't keep any sensitive or un-backed up data on mine, and even then it can all be replaced pretty easily. Plugins can be redownloaded, maps can be reuploaded, configs can be replaced. Adding RAID is just complicating things unnecessarily. Because another disk is just so cheap compared to the total server price, and you get high reliability and better read performance almost for free. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Solid State drives, or RAID5/10 -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of mdma Sent: Monday, 27 April 2009 8:50 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read what's going on, scanning it for useful information. I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are better for the job. The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small mysql databases, and then of course mainly game servers. The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to another down the line, and it will then only run game servers. My Box Specs are 1U 2 x Quad Core Xeons 8GB DDR2 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives under load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade them to Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform quite well, but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on the upgrade path. I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, only to have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. Many Thanks Roy Jonas ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4035 (20090425) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4035 (20090425) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Hi Yaakov, Thanks for the reply, but seriously who else here is running SSD's ? Also i forgot to mention it will be running a 4 disc RAID 5 array. I am looking at either SAS 15k drives or 10k Raptors, any help would be appreciated. And sorry if this is abit off topic, ive looked around at reviews but some really contradict themselves. I would love to get some real world answers from people who run game box's Regards Roy Jonas -- From: Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:34 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Solid State drives, or RAID5/10 -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of mdma Sent: Monday, 27 April 2009 8:50 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read what's going on, scanning it for useful information. I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are better for the job. The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small mysql databases, and then of course mainly game servers. The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to another down the line, and it will then only run game servers. My Box Specs are 1U 2 x Quad Core Xeons 8GB DDR2 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives under load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade them to Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform quite well, but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on the upgrade path. I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, only to have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. Many Thanks Roy Jonas ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4035 (20090425) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4035 (20090425) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I would go with 10k at least, or a good raid set up... Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: pmadma...@hotmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:20:51 +0930 Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Hi Yaakov, Thanks for the reply, but seriously who else here is running SSD's ? Also i forgot to mention it will be running a 4 disc RAID 5 array. I am looking at either SAS 15k drives or 10k Raptors, any help would be appreciated. And sorry if this is abit off topic, ive looked around at reviews but some really contradict themselves. I would love to get some real world answers from people who run game box's Regards Roy Jonas -- From: Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:34 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Solid State drives, or RAID5/10 -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of mdma Sent: Monday, 27 April 2009 8:50 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read what's going on, scanning it for useful information. I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are better for the job. The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small mysql databases, and then of course mainly game servers. The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to another down the line, and it will then only run game servers. My Box Specs are 1U 2 x Quad Core Xeons 8GB DDR2 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives under load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade them to Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform quite well, but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on the upgrade path. I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, only to have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. Many Thanks Roy Jonas ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4035 (20090425) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4035 (20090425) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile2_042009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
It is more the read speed that matters, which is basically the size of the platter times the rotational speed, but you should look up the spec yourself on the exact drives. The important thing is reading the maps quickly off the disk to reduce waiting time in between map changes. For the website and database, random access time is what matters, so the inverse of the rotational speed, which can be looked up in the spec sheets. For example a 3 platter 10k rpm drive 147 GB and a 4 platter 147 GB 15k rpm drive will have similar read and write speeds but the 15k rpm drive having a 50% increase in random access speed, while a 300 GB 10k rpm drive will have around a 50% increase in read/write performance over the 15k rpm drive. With the prices of 15k rpm drives you might want to look into doing a RAID 1 of small 15k rpm drives for the OS, database, and website, and a RAID 1 of large cheap, 7k rpm drives for the game servers, and use it also for local backups of the database and website. mdma wrote: Hi Yaakov, Thanks for the reply, but seriously who else here is running SSD's ? Also i forgot to mention it will be running a 4 disc RAID 5 array. I am looking at either SAS 15k drives or 10k Raptors, any help would be appreciated. And sorry if this is abit off topic, ive looked around at reviews but some really contradict themselves. I would love to get some real world answers from people who run game box's Regards Roy Jonas -- From: Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:34 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Solid State drives, or RAID5/10 -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of mdma Sent: Monday, 27 April 2009 8:50 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read what's going on, scanning it for useful information. I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are better for the job. The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small mysql databases, and then of course mainly game servers. The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to another down the line, and it will then only run game servers. My Box Specs are 1U 2 x Quad Core Xeons 8GB DDR2 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives under load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade them to Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform quite well, but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on the upgrade path. I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, only to have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. Many Thanks Roy Jonas ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4035 (20090425) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4035 (20090425) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
Just to keep things short.. If all you're doing is what you stated then I wouldn't really worry too much about going 'whole-hog' with your hard drive. What you have is more then sufficient to do what you want to do. Here is some food for thought though. It seems like Western Digital has better quality then Seagate as of late. I've been a Seagate fan for years now but been thinking about switching to Western Digital based upon comparative documents between the two that I read up on. If you were going to switch drives I would suggest the Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB. If you were not looking to switch to something comparative performance-wise and stick with the Seagate I would probably get a duplicate and at least mirror them so you have a backup if you experience any hardware failure. The same would go for the Western Digital drive as well. If money is no object then sure, go for it. But you've got a lot of machine there, and for what you are doing it ought to be more then sufficient. Just be sure you've got adequate cooling so you don't affect the life of your hardware more then it needs to be. ;-) -Matt On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 5:50 AM, mdma pmadma...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read what's going on, scanning it for useful information. I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are better for the job. The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small mysql databases, and then of course mainly game servers. The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to another down the line, and it will then only run game servers. My Box Specs are 1U 2 x Quad Core Xeons 8GB DDR2 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives under load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade them to Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform quite well, but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on the upgrade path. I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, only to have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. Many Thanks Roy Jonas ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
Good info thank you -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Chad Austin Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:37 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose It is more the read speed that matters, which is basically the size of the platter times the rotational speed, but you should look up the spec yourself on the exact drives. The important thing is reading the maps quickly off the disk to reduce waiting time in between map changes. For the website and database, random access time is what matters, so the inverse of the rotational speed, which can be looked up in the spec sheets. For example a 3 platter 10k rpm drive 147 GB and a 4 platter 147 GB 15k rpm drive will have similar read and write speeds but the 15k rpm drive having a 50% increase in random access speed, while a 300 GB 10k rpm drive will have around a 50% increase in read/write performance over the 15k rpm drive. With the prices of 15k rpm drives you might want to look into doing a RAID 1 of small 15k rpm drives for the OS, database, and website, and a RAID 1 of large cheap, 7k rpm drives for the game servers, and use it also for local backups of the database and website. mdma wrote: Hi Yaakov, Thanks for the reply, but seriously who else here is running SSD's ? Also i forgot to mention it will be running a 4 disc RAID 5 array. I am looking at either SAS 15k drives or 10k Raptors, any help would be appreciated. And sorry if this is abit off topic, ive looked around at reviews but some really contradict themselves. I would love to get some real world answers from people who run game box's Regards Roy Jonas -- From: Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:34 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Solid State drives, or RAID5/10 -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of mdma Sent: Monday, 27 April 2009 8:50 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read what's going on, scanning it for useful information. I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are better for the job. The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small mysql databases, and then of course mainly game servers. The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to another down the line, and it will then only run game servers. My Box Specs are 1U 2 x Quad Core Xeons 8GB DDR2 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives under load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade them to Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform quite well, but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on the upgrade path. I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, only to have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. Many Thanks Roy Jonas ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4035 (20090425) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4035 (20090425) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Anyway you can install more RAM? I find that my HD's don't work that hard other then the server itself first loading. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of mdma Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:50 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just read what's going on, scanning it for useful information. I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are better for the job. The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small mysql databases, and then of course mainly game servers. The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to another down the line, and it will then only run game servers. My Box Specs are 1U 2 x Quad Core Xeons 8GB DDR2 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives under load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade them to Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform quite well, but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on the upgrade path. I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, only to have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. Many Thanks Roy Jonas ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
CLAN RCR wrote: If you were going to switch drives I would suggest the Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB. http://dyski.cdrinfo.pl/dyski/806-Western-Digital-WD6400AAKS-Caviar-Blue-640-16-SATA-II 2 platter, probably the best wdc disk you can get now for that money ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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According to what I read, the black have a better life expectancy, and larger buffer then the blue thus the suggestion. Black specs: http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2534 Blue specs: http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1974 -Matt On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Adam Nowacki no...@xpam.de wrote: CLAN RCR wrote: If you were going to switch drives I would suggest the Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB. http://dyski.cdrinfo.pl/dyski/806-Western-Digital-WD6400AAKS-Caviar-Blue-640-16-SATA-II 2 platter, probably the best wdc disk you can get now for that money ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Wd black. Been using wd drives ever since the whole ibm death star... I mean deskstar fiasco. --Original Message-- From: CLAN RCR Sender: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list ReplyTo: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Sent: Apr 27, 2009 3:33 PM According to what I read, the black have a better life expectancy, and larger buffer then the blue thus the suggestion. Black specs: http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2534 Blue specs: http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1974 -Matt On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Adam Nowacki no...@xpam.de wrote: CLAN RCR wrote: If you were going to switch drives I would suggest the Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB. http://dyski.cdrinfo.pl/dyski/806-Western-Digital-WD6400AAKS-Caviar-Blue-640-16-SATA-II 2 platter, probably the best wdc disk you can get now for that money ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Sent via BlackBerry by ATT ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Thanks for taking the time out to reply everyone. Its definitely given me some food for thought. I will sort through all the suggestions and tips you guys have given me, many thanks again for you help. Regards Roy Jonas ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Just my opinion: Unless you are planning to run lots of servers (putting a lot of load on the bus) the disk probably won't impact performance too much. The main thing faster disk will help is in tying up the OS during disk activity, which could cause lag spikes for the servers. The best way to avoid this would be to run fast disks and use SAS not SATA. The read speed advantage itself is not really a big value, if you load a map file 1 second faster it's not really a big time savings. Instead it is all about keeping the server from hiccuping, that's where the SAS can help, but really it probably is not needed. mdma wrote: Thanks for taking the time out to reply everyone. Its definitely given me some food for thought. I will sort through all the suggestions and tips you guys have given me, many thanks again for you help. Regards Roy Jonas ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Hi Midnight, Thanks for your response too, all suggestions or ideas are welcome and greatly appreciated everyone. We are trying to future proof ourselves, and to minimise any hiccups that could be caused by slower SATA drives. Hence the question about fast 10krpm sata's or 15krpm SAS drives, we are still leaning towards SAS even though they are a bit expensive. If it means we run into less problems, down the track when the box does get more of a load on it, we 'll probably go for it(SAS hdd's now rather than later). I really cant see the point of spending more money now on sata's that will probably evenutally have to be upgraded to SAS drives. The money would be better spent now on just buying good quality fast drives and a nice 3ware controller. Regards Roy Jonas -- From: Midnight mido...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:53 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Just my opinion: Unless you are planning to run lots of servers (putting a lot of load on the bus) the disk probably won't impact performance too much. The main thing faster disk will help is in tying up the OS during disk activity, which could cause lag spikes for the servers. The best way to avoid this would be to run fast disks and use SAS not SATA. The read speed advantage itself is not really a big value, if you load a map file 1 second faster it's not really a big time savings. Instead it is all about keeping the server from hiccuping, that's where the SAS can help, but really it probably is not needed. mdma wrote: Thanks for taking the time out to reply everyone. Its definitely given me some food for thought. I will sort through all the suggestions and tips you guys have given me, many thanks again for you help. Regards Roy Jonas ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Just remember it is only a game server that will read some data every now and then (and almost entirely on map change), not a database server doing hundreds of transactions a second. Two 7200rpm drives in software raid1 will be more than enough and sit idle most of the time. mdma wrote: Thanks for your response too, all suggestions or ideas are welcome and greatly appreciated everyone. We are trying to future proof ourselves, and to minimise any hiccups that could be caused by slower SATA drives. Hence the question about fast 10krpm sata's or 15krpm SAS drives, we are still leaning towards SAS even though they are a bit expensive. If it means we run into less problems, down the track when the box does get more of a load on it, we 'll probably go for it(SAS hdd's now rather than later). I really cant see the point of spending more money now on sata's that will probably evenutally have to be upgraded to SAS drives. The money would be better spent now on just buying good quality fast drives and a nice 3ware controller. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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This is true, My drives sit idle for most of the time. Kenny Loggins ClanAO.com On Apr 27, 2009, at 9:56 PM, Adam Nowacki no...@xpam.de wrote: Just remember it is only a game server that will read some data every now and then (and almost entirely on map change), not a database server doing hundreds of transactions a second. Two 7200rpm drives in software raid1 will be more than enough and sit idle most of the time. mdma wrote: Thanks for your response too, all suggestions or ideas are welcome and greatly appreciated everyone. We are trying to future proof ourselves, and to minimise any hiccups that could be caused by slower SATA drives. Hence the question about fast 10krpm sata's or 15krpm SAS drives, we are still leaning towards SAS even though they are a bit expensive. If it means we run into less problems, down the track when the box does get more of a load on it, we 'll probably go for it(SAS hdd's now rather than later). I really cant see the point of spending more money now on sata's that will probably evenutally have to be upgraded to SAS drives. The money would be better spent now on just buying good quality fast drives and a nice 3ware controller. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
Raid1 increases the chance of data loss. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Adam Nowacki Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2009 12:56 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Just remember it is only a game server that will read some data every now and then (and almost entirely on map change), not a database server doing hundreds of transactions a second. Two 7200rpm drives in software raid1 will be more than enough and sit idle most of the time. mdma wrote: Thanks for your response too, all suggestions or ideas are welcome and greatly appreciated everyone. We are trying to future proof ourselves, and to minimise any hiccups that could be caused by slower SATA drives. Hence the question about fast 10krpm sata's or 15krpm SAS drives, we are still leaning towards SAS even though they are a bit expensive. If it means we run into less problems, down the track when the box does get more of a load on it, we 'll probably go for it(SAS hdd's now rather than later). I really cant see the point of spending more money now on sata's that will probably evenutally have to be upgraded to SAS drives. The money would be better spent now on just buying good quality fast drives and a nice 3ware controller. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
Ok, I will bite, how does RAID 1 increase the chance of dataloss? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Yaakov Smith Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:14 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Raid1 increases the chance of data loss. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Adam Nowacki Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2009 12:56 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Just remember it is only a game server that will read some data every now and then (and almost entirely on map change), not a database server doing hundreds of transactions a second. Two 7200rpm drives in software raid1 will be more than enough and sit idle most of the time. mdma wrote: Thanks for your response too, all suggestions or ideas are welcome and greatly appreciated everyone. We are trying to future proof ourselves, and to minimise any hiccups that could be caused by slower SATA drives. Hence the question about fast 10krpm sata's or 15krpm SAS drives, we are still leaning towards SAS even though they are a bit expensive. If it means we run into less problems, down the track when the box does get more of a load on it, we 'll probably go for it(SAS hdd's now rather than later). I really cant see the point of spending more money now on sata's that will probably evenutally have to be upgraded to SAS drives. The money would be better spent now on just buying good quality fast drives and a nice 3ware controller. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
2 hard drives. One failure = possible data loss. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Lane Eckley l...@hypernia.com wrote: Ok, I will bite, how does RAID 1 increase the chance of dataloss? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Yaakov Smith Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:14 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Raid1 increases the chance of data loss. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Adam Nowacki Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2009 12:56 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Just remember it is only a game server that will read some data every now and then (and almost entirely on map change), not a database server doing hundreds of transactions a second. Two 7200rpm drives in software raid1 will be more than enough and sit idle most of the time. mdma wrote: Thanks for your response too, all suggestions or ideas are welcome and greatly appreciated everyone. We are trying to future proof ourselves, and to minimise any hiccups that could be caused by slower SATA drives. Hence the question about fast 10krpm sata's or 15krpm SAS drives, we are still leaning towards SAS even though they are a bit expensive. If it means we run into less problems, down the track when the box does get more of a load on it, we 'll probably go for it(SAS hdd's now rather than later). I really cant see the point of spending more money now on sata's that will probably evenutally have to be upgraded to SAS drives. The money would be better spent now on just buying good quality fast drives and a nice 3ware controller. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
What he meant to say is RAID 0 - Original Message - From: Lane Eckley l...@hypernia.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:19:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ok, I will bite, how does RAID 1 increase the chance of dataloss? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Yaakov Smith Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:14 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Raid1 increases the chance of data loss. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Adam Nowacki Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2009 12:56 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Just remember it is only a game server that will read some data every now and then (and almost entirely on map change), not a database server doing hundreds of transactions a second. Two 7200rpm drives in software raid1 will be more than enough and sit idle most of the time. mdma wrote: Thanks for your response too, all suggestions or ideas are welcome and greatly appreciated everyone. We are trying to future proof ourselves, and to minimise any hiccups that could be caused by slower SATA drives. Hence the question about fast 10krpm sata's or 15krpm SAS drives, we are still leaning towards SAS even though they are a bit expensive. If it means we run into less problems, down the track when the box does get more of a load on it, we 'll probably go for it(SAS hdd's now rather than later). I really cant see the point of spending more money now on sata's that will probably evenutally have to be upgraded to SAS drives. The money would be better spent now on just buying good quality fast drives and a nice 3ware controller. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Drzewiecki ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
You're right, I'm retarded. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Matt Drzewiecki mjdrz...@mtu.edu wrote: What he meant to say is RAID 0 - Original Message - From: Lane Eckley l...@hypernia.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:19:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ok, I will bite, how does RAID 1 increase the chance of dataloss? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Yaakov Smith Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:14 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Raid1 increases the chance of data loss. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Adam Nowacki Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2009 12:56 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Just remember it is only a game server that will read some data every now and then (and almost entirely on map change), not a database server doing hundreds of transactions a second. Two 7200rpm drives in software raid1 will be more than enough and sit idle most of the time. mdma wrote: Thanks for your response too, all suggestions or ideas are welcome and greatly appreciated everyone. We are trying to future proof ourselves, and to minimise any hiccups that could be caused by slower SATA drives. Hence the question about fast 10krpm sata's or 15krpm SAS drives, we are still leaning towards SAS even though they are a bit expensive. If it means we run into less problems, down the track when the box does get more of a load on it, we 'll probably go for it(SAS hdd's now rather than later). I really cant see the point of spending more money now on sata's that will probably evenutally have to be upgraded to SAS drives. The money would be better spent now on just buying good quality fast drives and a nice 3ware controller. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Drzewiecki ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose
Oh sorry, I was thinking raid0. Ignore message plz. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Lane Eckley Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2009 2:20 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Ok, I will bite, how does RAID 1 increase the chance of dataloss? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Yaakov Smith Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:14 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Raid1 increases the chance of data loss. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Adam Nowacki Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2009 12:56 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Just remember it is only a game server that will read some data every now and then (and almost entirely on map change), not a database server doing hundreds of transactions a second. Two 7200rpm drives in software raid1 will be more than enough and sit idle most of the time. mdma wrote: Thanks for your response too, all suggestions or ideas are welcome and greatly appreciated everyone. We are trying to future proof ourselves, and to minimise any hiccups that could be caused by slower SATA drives. Hence the question about fast 10krpm sata's or 15krpm SAS drives, we are still leaning towards SAS even though they are a bit expensive. If it means we run into less problems, down the track when the box does get more of a load on it, we 'll probably go for it(SAS hdd's now rather than later). I really cant see the point of spending more money now on sata's that will probably evenutally have to be upgraded to SAS drives. The money would be better spent now on just buying good quality fast drives and a nice 3ware controller. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4038 (20090427) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
