Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

Thanks Mike! *Tyler Radford* Executive Director tyler.radf...@hotosm.org @TylerSRadford *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team* *Using OpenStreetMap for Humanitarian Response & Economic Development* web | twitter | facebook

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

Tyler, I just log my ideas/suggestions on github. Mike On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Tyler Radford wrote: > Phil, Robert, John, Mike, others have come up with some really great ideas > pertaining to Tasking Manager improvements. > > Please log them or add to already existing requests here s

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

A few months ago the Training Group was working on a short document "How to Map in 5 Easy Steps". It fell through the cracks. It described the basics of mapping in short sentences and used pictures, and included how to draw and square a building, how to draw a road and tag it, etc. If completed

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

Phil, Robert, John, Mike, others have come up with some really great ideas pertaining to Tasking Manager improvements. Please log them or add to already existing requests here so we don't lose them! https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues One of the big visions for the future Taskin

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

Thanks , Listened to you,Mike Thompson! On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: > Two situations that a new mapper may face: > 1) Task area with nothing, or very little, mapped. > This *should* be pretty easy. For example, in the case of buildings: draw > building, square it, tag i

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

Just a couple of comments about data quality, a week ago in Ethiopia there were 4,500 untagged ways or untagged with a comment, the most common is area=yes. These do not show up in the map so a user in the field wouldn't even know of their existence. To me this a data quality issue. Things have

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

Two situations that a new mapper may face: 1) Task area with nothing, or very little, mapped. This *should* be pretty easy. For example, in the case of buildings: draw building, square it, tag it as a building, don't draw two buildings over lapping each other. However, despite verbal instruction,

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

Greets! Sorry to barge in. ...but what Mr.Phil says is really true in the case of new mappers. Cheers:) Autre On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 7:08 PM, john whelan wrote: > ​I think we have to accept we need new mappers and we need them to be > motivated so mapping projects that do not seem importan

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

​I think we have to accept we need new mappers and we need them to be motivated so mapping projects that do not seem important ​may not be so motivating. The Statistics Canada project is interesting as in the longer term I think we should see a pool of experienced mappers coming out of that but it

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

"Having said that, I'd like to punt this back to Phil and Sev as I speak to people in the field, who use the data, on a regular basis. Data quality, so far, has almost never come up as an issue. Do you guys have different experience or feedback from field teams? It would be useful to know specif

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

. >> >> >> >> Let's say as a minimum you train folks on roads and residential area >> polygons - that might be level 1 (ID Editor) >> >> Level 2 could be after training for buildings, tracks, paths (ID or JOSM) >> >> Level 3 for

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

eople doing the tasks at hand. The task manager could also > only highlight jobs at their assigned level until they do the next level > training. > > > > You might even consider, as part of validation, dropping people from a > higher level to a lower level if they continually fail to

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

JOSM) >>>> >>>> Level 3 for validation (JOSM) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In this way HOT tasks simply get assigned at each level and you know >>>> you have the right people doing the tasks at hand. The task manager

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

e the right people doing the tasks at hand. The task manager could also >>> only highlight jobs at their assigned level until they do the next level >>> training. >>> >>> >>> >>> You might even consider, as part of validation, dropping people from a >>> h

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

Hi I want share with you my idea. In Madrid, during the IODC conference, I spoke with Heather. I think that we can imagine a system that, by starting from the login to http://tasks.hotosm.org/, calculates a value of "trust" of a contributor. As starting job we can use the wonderful work made by Pas

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

The future of HOT will be in more local mappers joining tasks, and we will definitely have to remain open to having greater number of first time OSM contributors with no prior experience and not fluent in English. The core of the problem is that contributors have access to powerful editing tools t

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

inue improving. Best Martin On 13/10/2016 08:57, hot-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: -- -- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 16:57:40 -0400 From: Dale Kunce To: Romain Bousson Cc: "hot@o

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

Hi all, As a pretty newcomer in the osm and hot communities, I personnaly had the feeling that the 3 first tabs "Description / instructions / Contribute" could be very easily enhanced, by just improving the text and its organisation. Today, as I see the new #2228 - Hurricane Matthew: Jereme Post Ev

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

Best wishes, Laura - Laura O'Grady, PhD la...@lauraogrady.ca > > > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 17:34:15 + > From: Severin Menard > To: "hot@openstreetmap.org" > Subject: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve > Message-

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t;> >>>> >>>> >>>> In this way HOT tasks simply get assigned at each level and you know >>>> you have the right people doing the tasks at hand. The task manager could >>>> also only highlight jobs at their assigned level until they do the ne

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

gt; You might even consider, as part of validation, dropping people from a >>> higher level to a lower level if they continually fail to produce results >>> at the desired consistency. >>> >>> >>> >>> Just my thoughts as a casual mapper. >&

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stency. > > > > Just my thoughts as a casual mapper. > > > > > > Cheers - Phil > > > > Thin Green Line Supporter <http://www.thingreenline.org.au/>, Volunteer > Mapper (GISMO) - Red Cross <http://www.redcross.org.au/volunteering.aspx> >

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alidation, dropping people from a >> higher level to a lower level if they continually fail to produce results >> at the desired consistency. >> >> >> >> Just my thoughts as a casual mapper. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers - Phil >> >>

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

gher level to a lower level if they continually fail to produce results >> at the desired consistency. >> >> >> >> Just my thoughts as a casual mapper. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers - Phil >> >> >> >> Thin Green Line Sup

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

at the desired consistency. >> >> >> >> Just my thoughts as a casual mapper. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers - Phil >> >> >> >> Thin Green Line Supporter <http://www.thingreenline.org.au/>, Volunteer >> Mapper (GISMO)

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s as a casual mapper. > > > > > > Cheers - Phil > > > > Thin Green Line Supporter <http://www.thingreenline.org.au/>, Volunteer > Mapper (GISMO) - Red Cross <http://www.redcross.org.au/volunteering.aspx> > > > > > > *From:* Severin Menar

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

rin.men...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 4:34 AM To: hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve The edits on hotosm.org job #2228 <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2228> have started and now happens what I feared. There is no mention of w

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

Could be a good idea John. Is there a GitHub issue? Mikel On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, 5:12 PM, john whelan wrote: A suggestion would be for these types of tasks disable the tasking manager from communicating with anything but JOSM its a bit drastic but where data quality matters it is a

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

A suggestion would be for these types of tasks disable the tasking manager from communicating with anything but JOSM its a bit drastic but where data quality matters it is a very simple but crude method of keeping the very inexperienced mappers away. The other suggestion is disable Tasking Manager

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

Thanks everyone. I agree that the task should be marked as appropriate for intermediate or advanced mappers. I also wanted to reiterate a point that Mikel made. Having two tasking managers, is not the greatest for more coordination. HOT's official tasking manager should be the only tasking manager

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

Hello, I noticed the same issues recently. All along the week, as the media coverage increased, the way that the projects and tasks were completing themselves changed. From large tiles completed by several users turn by turn, we came to big tiles directly divided into tiny tasks, being completed by

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

I think the main point here is that skill level required on that task should be higher, and that the task instructions should reflect that. I’ve alerted the HOT activation leads for Haiti, and expect that will be looked at soon.  On a related note I think there may be tasks overlapping the same a

[HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

The edits on hotosm.org job #2228 have started and now happens what I feared. There is no mention of what are the necessary skills and newbies are coming with a lot of enthusiasm but with almost no OSM experience. A quick analysis of the first 29 contributors