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Re: Dynamic Lnklst Changes

2009-11-03 Thread Peter Relson
If the risk could be isolated to the updated address space, that might be acceptable; The risk is isolated to the updated address space if you only update that address space. If you ask to update every address then you apply the risk to every address space. None of the appends has asked why do

Re: Dynamic Lnklst Changes

2009-11-03 Thread Shane
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 07:23 -0500, Peter Relson wrote: None of the appends has asked why do you want to use LNKLST UPDATE with JOB=*? Mmmm - you have to wonder. FWIW I've never found the need. I find if you say potential system exposure/compromise, most customers will opt for a better option.

problem w/ data stream to System Operator console at ipl

2009-11-03 Thread Bonno, Tuco
We have an ibm z9 mainframe. it is configured w/ 6 lpars: 3 test, and 3 production. the 3 test lpars all run z/os 1.9. Two of the production lpars are 1.9, the third is still 1.7. I myself do the ipl-s of the test lpars on an ad hoc basis and there is never any problem. The production lpars

LOGREC logstream question

2009-11-03 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi I while ago I have converted the LOGREC to LOGSTREAM. Seems to me no any recording to the LOGREC logstream, I see a feww entries from the time of the conversion to LOGSTREAM. No any error message in the console, the LOGREC medium is LOGSTREAM and is in CONNECTED status (z/OS 1.10) --

SV: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Thomas Berg
-Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] För Chris Craddock Skickat: den 3 november 2009 07:39 Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Ämne: Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal You and I have diametrically opposed perspectives of

Re: LOGREC logstream question

2009-11-03 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:43:25 +0100, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com wrote: Hi I while ago I have converted the LOGREC to LOGSTREAM. Seems to me no any recording to the LOGREC logstream, I see a feww entries from the time of the conversion to LOGSTREAM. No any error message

Re: LOGREC logstream question

2009-11-03 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi Thank you Mark. I don't think we have a well behaved system. I try to use via batch as //ACCIN DD DSN=SYSPLEX.LOGREC.ALLRECS, // SUBSYS=(LOGR,IFBSEXIT) I got back the records from the time I have converted to logstream (three monts ago) Currently not very important,

Re: LOGREC logstream question

2009-11-03 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com wrote in message news:listserv%200911030830458551.0...@bama.ua.edu... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:43:25 +0100, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com wrote: Hi I while ago I have converted the LOGREC to LOGSTREAM. Seems to me no any recording

Re: SV: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread P S
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Thomas Berg thomas.b...@swedbank.se wrote: Tsk, tsk. I think You should leave this matter to more persons with more knowledge. You see, this is a complicated matter, which You will maybe grasp when You have got some experience. And just how does this poorly

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Eric Chevalier
On 3 Nov 2009 06:37:12 -0800, thomas.b...@swedbank.se (Thomas Berg) wrote: Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] För Chris Craddock Skickat: den 3 november 2009 07:39 Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Ämne: Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal THAT my friends is

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:12:51 -0600 Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: :On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:50:17 +0200, Binyamin Dissen wrote: ::The suffix does not violate compatibility. A CVT bit could indicate the ::support for the suffix. ::So that a program that works with a long parm today, such

SV: SV: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Thomas Berg
-Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] För P S Skickat: den 3 november 2009 15:56 Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Ämne: Re: SV: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Thomas Berg

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Howard Brazee
On 2 Nov 2009 14:55:21 -0800, paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) wrote: First, as Shmuel notes, most programs don't differentiate between being CALLED and JCL LAUNCHED. They're oblivious, and it's pretty hard to tell; parameters is parameters. If a second parameter is present, it shall be

SMB work as designed

2009-11-03 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi Upset a little about the SMB server and the replies for the PMR's: 1) We wanted to use the SMB server in read only mode to look the dataset's from Windows The server allocates the PDS PDSE datasets with DISP=OLD work as designed said the IBM 2) We use the fastfilesize option to avoid, to

Re: LOGREC logstream question

2009-11-03 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:48:38 +0100, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com wrote: Hi Thank you Mark. I don't think we have a well behaved system. My statement was a joke of course. I would expect something in logrec - the minimum would be IPL records. I try to use via batch as

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread McKown, John
I still say dump the request for a change to PARM length max for JCL and/or the PARMX=. For __NEW__ functionality, implement POSIX environment variables into the JCL. Perhaps using the current SET syntax! Then __NEW__ programs can do an getenv() type call to grab the environment variable(s)

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Martin Kline
This does not have to be a 'all-or-none', or 'my-way-or-the-highway' issue. Assume the some programs can accept JCL-format parms of more than 100 bytes. Also assume that some programs cannot accept such parms. Also assume you don't want to force program changes. So what's the issue? In some

Re: problem w/ data stream to System Operator console at ipl

2009-11-03 Thread Hal Merritt
I wonder if you are being hit by one of the 'slow IPL' issues. Have the operator simply wait for a while. That is, the IPL sequence is progressing but there is no visible progress. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:33:01 -0600, McKown, John wrote: I still say dump the request for a change to PARM length max for JCL and/or the PARMX=. For __NEW__ functionality, implement POSIX environment variables into the JCL. Perhaps using the current SET syntax! Then __NEW__ programs can do an

Re: problem w/ data stream to System Operator console at ipl

2009-11-03 Thread Mark Zelden
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno, Tuco Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 7:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: problem w/ data stream to System Operator console at ipl Over the last couple of months, the remaining

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Kirk Wolf
I like John's idea. I think that this idea was discussed before with the suggestion that JCL PROC/SET variables be stored in a special ASASYMBM table. Re: Use of symbols in the operand of SET is not supported. - really? This works fine: // SET PRFX=SYS1 // SET MACLIB=PRFX..MACLIB // SET

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:06:23 +0200, Binyamin Dissen wrote: The API is defined as 100 byte maximum and programs are coded for that. Any change must respect the existing programs. New programs wishing to use a larger plist can be coded to use a new way to get to the data. The JCL manual does say,

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Howard Brazee
On 3 Nov 2009 08:29:39 -0800, m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com (Tom Marchant) wrote: To prevent possible errors, always use the count as a length attribute in acquiring the information in the PARM field. /quote It does not mention the 100 byte limit. No. But it does a CYA by telling us to program

Re: Internal DASD and ICKDSF

2009-11-03 Thread Joe Reichman
Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Mike Ross m...@corestore.org wrote: On 2 Nov 2009 08:37:54 -0800, ee...@us.ibm.com (John Eells) wrote: Mike Ross wrote: snip I can't find ANY doc on restoring the preinstalled system (OS/390 2.4) from tape (if anyone can point me to some doc

Re: Dynamic Lnklst Changes

2009-11-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In ofab5d85dd.e9f08605-on8525765d.0042ff46-8525765d.00442...@metlife.com, on 10/28/2009 at 08:24 AM, Andy White awh...@metlife.com said: We are debating within out department about doing dynamic changes with SET PROG LNKLST and wanted to know how other shops might be handling it. My approach

Re: problem w/ data stream to System Operator console at ipl

2009-11-03 Thread John Kelly
I'm at a lost about several things that you mention (other apparently understood), maybe you could clarify? snip drains the lpar, goes to the HMC (hardware management console) , finds the ?activate? colophon for that lpar, selects it /snip I don't understand how activate would work unless part

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:39:03 -0600, Chris Craddock wrote: The PARM interface is older than dirt and even though we can all agree with hindsight that it was a momentously stupid design, it is nevertheless a formal, documented interface and literally thousands of badly written programs work

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:56:19 -0600, Rick Fochtman wrote: -snip Wow! Do you have ANY idea of who you just challenged??? I see blood and the streets, and it won't be Chris'. ---unsnip---

Re: Internal DASD and ICKDSF

2009-11-03 Thread Bill Fairchild
On 2 Nov 2009 08:37:54 -0800, ee...@us.ibm.com (John Eells) wrote: 1. SADSS says the 3390-2 volume I created isn't big enough to restore the system pack (R1ASP4) - it has something like 08nn cylinders but wants 0Dnn - which seems too much. Something like 08nn cylinders is a 3390-2 and

Givesocket/Sendsocket multiple address spaces

2009-11-03 Thread Joe Reichman
Just realized accroding to the IBM doc It's not necessary to have Address space process a socket the Givesocket/Takesocket can work in different Address spaces that's probably what Edward Jaffe meant when same port number was used As long as it's one conversation Sent from my iPhone

Re: asynchronous file open?

2009-11-03 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: asynchronous file open? This is likely a crazy question. But I'm wondering if anybody has come up w=

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Frank Swarbrick
On 11/3/2009 at 9:04 AM, in message listserv%200911031004341010.0...@bama.ua.edu, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:33:01 -0600, McKown, John wrote: I still say dump the request for a change to PARM length max for JCL and/or the PARMX=. For __NEW__

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Howard Brazee
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:14:53 -0500, des...@verizon.net wrote: I find the whole issue of compatibility bogus. Existing programs are compatible with existing parms. Increasing the max is irrelevant to compatibility. Longer parms are a total waste of time though. They're too hard to code. Real

Re: Features of zOS 1.11

2009-11-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:33:53 -0500, McKown, John wrote: I love this one! quote Support for FTP access to UNIX-named pipes is planned for z/OS Communications Server V1.11. Both server and client support, in either read or write mode, is planned for the pipes (also known as first in, first out,

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In ts3ue5lagh91i16hlub6vm6poq4oc65...@4ax.com, on 11/02/2009 at 06:59 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said: Huh? Paul is referring to the documented[1] OS/360 convention that a main program is just another subroutine. The suffix does not violate compatibility. It breaks

Re: asynchronous file open?

2009-11-03 Thread Neil Duffee
On 2009-11-03 at 14:36 concerning Re: asynchronous file open?, John McKown joh..mck...@hea..mark...com wrote to IBM-Main : -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gerhard Postpischil Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 1:24 PM snip It's fairly simple to

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Stephen Y Odo
I still don't see why there would be a problem with just PARM= behaving just as it does now. and having a new PARMX= (or whatever) that sets up exactly the same thing except that the string can be up to whatever that two-byte length field allows (I don't remember if it's supposed to be signed or

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 6fh0f55c4lt4scbntma0r9udums736r...@4ax.com, on 11/03/2009 at 05:06 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said: The API is defined as 100 byte maximum There is no such formal API. The limitations of the R/I and C/I were just that, limitations. They were never a contract to the

Re: asynchronous file open?

2009-11-03 Thread Hal Merritt
I agree with some others: this is a management issue, not a technical one. I can think of a couple of things to try (such as a sub task, a timer pop, or a 'handle condition' ESTAE that hides the x22 abend), but this would be a lot of work and increases the fragility of the process. FWIW, I

asynchronous file open?

2009-11-03 Thread McKown, John
This is likely a crazy question. But I'm wondering if anybody has come up with a way to do what I will call an asynchronous open of a tape or disk file? Basically, what I want to do is an OPEN with an ECB= operand. When the OPEN completes, the ECB is posted with the return code from OPEN. Why?

Re: problem w/ data stream to System Operator console at ipl

2009-11-03 Thread Bonno, Tuco
management decided that operators would NOT use the load to do a normal ipl -- only ACTIVATE. and they don't change anything -- they just respond yes when prompted as to whether they really really want to do this. the process is the same for the other two lpars, and it works fine. it worked

Re: What SVCs are in use?

2009-11-03 Thread David Waldman
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:05:57 -0500, Baraniecki, Ray ray.baranie...@morganstanley.com wrote: If TASID can display this list then I'm sure any program (probably authorized) can do it. I think this should be the real question. How would a program display the list of SVCs? TASID is not

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Clark Morris
On 2 Nov 2009 13:22:56 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:16:42 +0100, Thomas Berg wrote: If we really go the new syntax road, I liked the suggestion, by someone I don't remember for the moment, that we introduce a new JCL operand: // PARM '...' I like that

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Howard Brazee
On 3 Nov 2009 09:58:50 -0800, rfocht...@ync.net (Rick Fochtman) wrote: Yes, compatability must be maintained, as ugly as it may be. Making a major change now, after 45+ years, could cause major chaos and discontent in MANY shops. Maybe in this case, the benefit wouldn't be worth the cost in

Re: Outlook Reply behaviour (Example: RE: SV: SV: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal)

2009-11-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In d173ec266418d84395b4b89759d861d403cf9...@usmdlmdowx025.dow.com, on 11/02/2009 at 05:21 PM, van der Grijn, Bart (B) bvandergr...@dow.com said: As far as I'm concerned everyone has the right to use whatever reply prefix they want There is an Internet convention to use re: in replies,

Re: Final Conlusions on Concurrenrt Server

2009-11-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:28:21 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: If the client is using multiple port numbers then it should be able to sustain multiple conversations with a single server. TCP/IP does not allow concurrent multiple conversations between a single src-IP:port dst-IP port pair. Of

Re: problem w/ data stream to System Operator console at ipl

2009-11-03 Thread Bonno, Tuco
Over the last couple of months, the remaining 1.9 lpar has started giving us problems, described as follows: the operator, per SOP drains the lpar, goes to the HMC (hardware management console) , finds the “activate” colophon for that lpar, selects it, responds to the various prompts

SET (was: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal)

2009-11-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:25:51 -0600, Kirk Wolf wrote: Re: Use of symbols in the operand of SET is not supported. - really? This works fine: // SET PRFX=SYS1 // SET MACLIB=PRFX..MACLIB // SET AMACLIB=PRFX..AMACLIB // SET LINKLIB=PRFX..LINKLIB Ah! Found it! (They hid it well): Linkname:

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4aef4550.4040...@ync.net, on 11/02/2009 at 02:47 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said: IIRC, the IBM compilers will also accept a *PROCESS statement that can be as long as necessary. The options on *PROCESS can't be specified in JCL; the options in PARM can. -- Shmuel

Re: problem w/ data stream to System Operator console at ipl

2009-11-03 Thread Bonno, Tuco
yes and I checked it out and I found that whenever we ipl that lpar, it goes into a disabled wait state 0020...878040. last time I had *that* problem, (a couple of years ago), I fixed it by putting an initsqa 0500k 1000k in the loadXX. I'll try that next sunday. thanks a

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 75pte5d4gbjq6ivuct5cia1svu0khlb...@4ax.com, on 11/02/2009 at 03:55 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said: Not at all. There's a compatibility problem with programs that currently use HW + characters as the first parameter and don't rquire the length to be less than 101. --

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Chris Craddock
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:39:03 -0600, Chris Craddock wrote: The PARM interface is older than dirt and even though we can all agree with hindsight that it was a momentously stupid design, it is nevertheless a formal,

Re: What SVCs are in use?

2009-11-03 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What SVCs are in use? On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:23:55 -0600, Andy Wood woo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:36:05 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote: The argument would be that if such a program fails only because it copies parmlength bytes to a 100-byte buffer without checking that the length does not exceed 100, it does not compromise MVS System Integrity, since the Integrity statement

Re: asynchronous file open?

2009-11-03 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
McKown, John wrote: This is likely a crazy question. But I'm wondering if anybody has come up with a way to do what I will call an asynchronous open of a tape or disk file? Basically, what I want to do is an OPEN with an ECB= operand. When the OPEN completes, the ECB is posted with the return

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:01:12 -0600, Chris Craddock wrote: When you call a batch job step program through another interface than EXEC PGM= you are taking responsibility for ensuring that the program's interface requirements are met. And you're right there are many such programs that can safely and

Re: Givesocket/Takesocket multiple address spaces

2009-11-03 Thread Joe Reichman
Thankx I think I got it -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 2:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Givesocket/Takesocket multiple address spaces Joe Reichman wrote: Just

Re: CA1 Enhancement Request for new CA1 Report for DELETE STATUS

2009-11-03 Thread Lizette Koehler
That is also an option. I just put this in because I know that CA has customers that do not have the staff to do the coding for this type of function. Lizette On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:27:47 -0500, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote: List - This is in-case anyone wants to tag along

VSAM RLS and CICS file statistics summary: EXCP counts

2009-11-03 Thread Moore, Ken
Hi, I'm having trouble reconciling some CICS EOD statistics for some of our VSAM RLS files, particularly EXCP counts. I am pursuing already what appears to be some serious flaws ust in the documentation regarding what counts as an EXCP for a VSAM RLS file as reported in the CICS statistics

Re: SISPZHFS

2009-11-03 Thread R Hey
Hi Robert, Thanks for your reply. Did you mount a file there, did any get mounted there, or did it go to the 'root'? Thanks, Rez -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: problem w/ data stream to System Operator console at ipl

2009-11-03 Thread van der Grijn, Bart (B)
Our standard procedure is to use LOAD rather then activate for a normal IPL, so I might be missing how this works. However, I always thought the Activate of an object does whatever it needs to do to get the object in the desired state, but nothing more. If nothing changes in your activation

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:20:36 -0500, Don Williams wrote: I have wanted to be able to pass long parms from JCL since the early 80's. I've have to use inventive ways to get around that restriction. I've listened to many people complain that 100 characters was too small. Something like PARMX has be

Re: problem w/ data stream to System Operator console at ipl

2009-11-03 Thread Bonno, Tuco
I don't understand how activate would work unless part of drain means to deactivate the LPAR. Why not reset clear and IPL? = drain means the operator begins to enter a series of commands at the operator console to stop/cancel the various jobs and stc-s that are running, culminating in the

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Thompson, Steve
SNIPPAGE This reminds me of PL/1. Designed and implemented by committee. How about writing it up, and if you are a SHARE member, submitting it for a vote. Let IBM decide how they are going to deal with it (they will any way, given my experience with JES2 development). But, this is just one

Re: What SVCs are in use?

2009-11-03 Thread Baraniecki, Ray
The command TASID can be used. Go to option 5 then SVC. You will get a list of SVCs that are in use. If TASID can display this list then I'm sure any program (probably authorized) can do it. I think this should be the real question. How would a program display the list of SVCs? Thanks,

Re: Final Conlusions on Concurrenrt Server

2009-11-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 01ca5b6c$532d3e30$f987ba...@net, on 11/01/2009 at 10:26 PM, Joe Reichman joereich...@optonline.net said: Here are my Final Conclusions These can only be one Active Conversation between a Client and Server on a port (if its between two different machines) If the client is using multiple

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Chris Craddock
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net shmuel%2bibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In 6fh0f55c4lt4scbntma0r9udums736r...@4ax.com, on 11/03/2009 at 05:06 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said: The API is defined as 100 byte maximum

Re: problem w/ data stream to System Operator console at ipl

2009-11-03 Thread Gibney, Dave
Does the HMC system messages icon start to blink? Does it show a wait state ? Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hal Merritt Sent: Tuesday,

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 3ukue5d024hvsqq36tesv225fu3lr0c...@4ax.com, on 11/02/2009 at 11:50 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said: Compatibility has its costs. This solution does not change the number of parameters and is completely compatible. No; it breaks compatibility with existing code that

CA1 Enhancement Request for new CA1 Report for DELETE STATUS

2009-11-03 Thread Lizette Koehler
List - This is in-case anyone wants to tag along with my DAR I had opened with CA1 - 18760498/2 Basically this DAR is a request for CA 1 to provide a utility for listing in a range of tapes those that are not in DELETE status. It stated: A suggestion for a new utility that would not only

Re: SISPZHFS

2009-11-03 Thread Johnston, Robert E
Hi Rez, I recently applied 0908 to 1.9 and had to make the directory and add the DDDEF. It was applied to my service root, which is probably what your /SR009A/usr... is. This is how it looks now after recreating Root from my service root. EUID=0 /usr/lpp/ispf/bin/IBM/ Type Filename

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In listserv%200911031148532643.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 11/03/2009 at 11:48 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: BTW, I wonder, which is older, Assembler CALL or JCL PARM? Neither; they were contemporaneous. Both were in the original OS/360 announcement, as was the principle that a main

Re: SET (was: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal)

2009-11-03 Thread Kirk Wolf
Maybe the only thing that is broken is the manual :-) On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:25:51 -0600, Kirk Wolf wrote: Re: Use of symbols in the operand of SET is not supported. - really? This works fine: // SET PRFX=SYS1 // SET

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:25:51 -0600, Kirk Wolf wrote: Re: Use of symbols in the operand of SET is not supported. - really? This works fine: // SET PRFX=SYS1 // SET MACLIB=PRFX..MACLIB // SET AMACLIB=PRFX..AMACLIB // SET LINKLIB=PRFX..LINKLIB Outdated information? I clearly remember a warning in

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Tom Marchant wrote: exceed 100 characters, but I wouldn't call that an API. The Assembler Services Guide describes the API. It reads, quote snipped? /quote It does not mention the 100 byte limit. It also does not mention that you could receive a four word list if called as a CP, or a

Re: CA1 Enhancement Request for new CA1 Report for DELETE STATUS

2009-11-03 Thread David Waldman
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:27:47 -0500, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote: List - This is in-case anyone wants to tag along with my DAR I had opened with CA1 - 18760498/2 Basically this DAR is a request for CA 1 to provide a utility for listing in a range of tapes those that are not in

Re: What SVCs are in use?

2009-11-03 Thread Richard Peurifoy
Thompson, Steve wrote: Actually, I was being quite literal and was thinking how I could determine this, without having to have an intercept in SVCFLIH. And then I started reading other people's answers and didn't say anything. In this case GTF may be the right answer as suggested, but you

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Don Williams
I have wanted to be able to pass long parms from JCL since the early 80's. I've have to use inventive ways to get around that restriction. I've listened to many people complain that 100 characters was too small. Something like PARMX has be desired for a very long time by many people. A solution is

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip Wow! Do you have ANY idea of who you just challenged??? I see blood and the streets, and it won't be Chris'. ---unsnip--- While I agree that Chris needs a better understanding

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In p06240805c71505a12...@[192.168.1.11], on 11/02/2009 at 04:58 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com said: When CALLED as opposed to JCL LAUNCHED, do these IBM Compilers accept a longer than 100 character PARM Entry (while also accepting DDNAME Overrides in Parms 2+)? Yes. They're not

Re: asynchronous file open?

2009-11-03 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Gerhard Postpischil Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 1:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: asynchronous file open? snip It's fairly simple to do, providing you're willing

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:46:26 -0600, Chris Craddock wrote: Au contraire. The 100 character limit has been documented since the beginning of time. An unknowably large number of programmers wrote an unknowably large number of (arguably incorrect) batch job step programs that functioned correctly ONLY

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread John P. Baker
If a program is APF-authorized and can be invoked from JCL and does not properly validate any parameter(s) provided to it by its invoker, then I would argue that the program is defective and that the lack of parameter validation is APAR'able. John P. Baker -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: What SVCs are in use?

2009-11-03 Thread Mark Zelden
Carlos, That still doesn't answer the original question nor my question. The OP's question was can someone point me to a manual or command that will show what SVCs are actually in use?. You answered use ISRDDN. How does browsing a module with ISRDDN show which SVCs are in use? While the

Re: problem w/ data stream to System Operator console at ipl

2009-11-03 Thread Hal Merritt
IIRC, there is a 'load upon activate' option in the activation profile. Check to see if that is selected or not. Our standard procedure is to Activate. An attempt to IPL an inactive LPAR ought to generate messages. However, an activate without the load option will just quietly complete much

Re: What SVCs are in use?

2009-11-03 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:23:55 -0600, Andy Wood woo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:16:26 -0600, Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com wrote: Carlos, That still doesn't answer the original question nor my question. The OP's question was can someone point me to a manual or command

Re: What SVCs are in use?

2009-11-03 Thread carlos roberto visconde
Mark, Using TSO ISRDDN you can find its location and browse the module: ex: M IGC0023B B IGC0023B 2009/11/2 larry macioce mace1...@gmail.com If you have CAs Datacom you can look it up using dbutlty mace On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com wrote: I

Re: asynchronous file open?

2009-11-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:20:05 -0600, McKown, John wrote: This is likely a crazy question. But I'm wondering if anybody has come up with a way to do what I will call an asynchronous open of a tape or disk file? Basically, what I want to do is an OPEN with an ECB= operand. When the OPEN completes,

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In b0c6f15b0911022239s3a22a2a2gf6404101562bb...@mail.gmail.com, on 11/03/2009 at 12:39 AM, Chris Craddock crashlu...@gmail.com said: The PARM interface is older than dirt and even though we can all agree with hindsight that it was a momentously stupid design, it is nevertheless a formal,

Re: Givesocket/Takesocket multiple address spaces

2009-11-03 Thread Edward Jaffe
Joe Reichman wrote: Just realized accroding to the IBM doc It's not necessary to have Address space process a socket the Givesocket/Takesocket can work in different Address spaces that's probably what Edward Jaffe meant when same port number was used As long as it's one conversation [Note:

Re: SV: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Chris Craddock
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Thomas Berg thomas.b...@swedbank.se wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Thomas Berg thomas.b...@swedbank.se wrote: Tsk, tsk. I think You should leave this matter to more persons with more knowledge. You see, this is a complicated matter, which

Re: What SVCs are in use?

2009-11-03 Thread Andy Wood
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:16:26 -0600, Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com wrote: Carlos, That still doesn't answer the original question nor my question. The OP's question was can someone point me to a manual or command that will show what SVCs are actually in use?. You answered use ISRDDN.

Re: What SVCs are in use?

2009-11-03 Thread Rob Scott
Ray, Any program (you do not have to be auth) can run the simple set of control blocks to show the SVCs, the ESR entries and even the SVCUPDTE information - it really is not too difficult : CVT : CVTABEND --- SCVTSECT : SCVTSVCT --- SVC table (mapped by IHASVC) Also : SCVTSECT : SCVTSVCR ---

Re: asynchronous file open?

2009-11-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005bde01...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 11/03/2009 at 12:20 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: This is likely a crazy question. But I'm wondering if anybody has come up with a way to do what I will call an asynchronous open of a tape or disk

Re: problem w/ data stream to System Operator console at ipl

2009-11-03 Thread Hal Merritt
This, IMHO, is a good thing. In some versions of the HMC/SE, LOAD gets its IPL parameters from one place and 'load upon activate' gets the parameters from another. By using only Activate, a potential operator error is averted. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Tony Harminc
2009/11/3 John P. Baker jbaker...@comporium.net: If a program is APF-authorized and can be invoked from JCL and does not properly validate any parameter(s) provided to it by its invoker, then I would argue that the program is defective and that the lack of parameter validation is APAR'able.

Re: Final Conlusions on Concurrenrt Server

2009-11-03 Thread Henry Willard
Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote: In 01ca5b6c$532d3e30$f987ba...@net, on 11/01/2009 at 10:26 PM, Joe Reichman joereich...@optonline.net said: Here are my Final Conclusions These can only be one Active Conversation between a Client and Server on a port (if its between two different

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In listserv%200911021027099979.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 11/02/2009 at 10:27 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com said: No. As I recall, Shmuel's original proposal was to provide a list somewhere, preferably in PARMLIB, of programs that could not handle the long parm. More precisely, a list

Re: An Alternative Modest PARM Proposal

2009-11-03 Thread Chris Craddock
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: snip You're inconsistent in your assumptions. You appear to believe that: o Some JCL programmers won't take responsibility ... but o All Assembler, Rexx, FORTRAN, COBOL, C, PL/I, ... can be presumed to take

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