Re: Interesting APAR OA27291 an undocumented change to GETMAIN Behavior in z/...

2009-02-06 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:01:37 EST (IBM Mainframe Discussion List) dasdbi...@aol.com wrote: :In a message dated 2/5/2009 12:04:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, :dennis.ro...@lmco.com writes: :I had always been taught that :the ONLY time storage is cleared is when RSM assigns a real page to a

Re: Interesting APAR OA27291 an undocumented change to GETMAIN Behavior in z/OS 1.10

2009-02-06 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 22:41:41 -0800 Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: :Binyamin Dissen wrote: : I wonder if VSM is smart enough to recognize that a paged out page is all zero : and to just mark it as not assigned yet so that a page fault will not require : a page in. :I seriously

Re: Interesting APAR OA27291 an undocumented change to GETMAIN Behavior in z/OS 1.10

2009-02-06 Thread Guy Gardoit
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.comwrote: ..snip To single out this one class of error as inexcusable or bad programming is absurd. That's my opinion. ..snip It's absurd to RTFM before you code a macro? Any ISV product that has this problem would make

Re: IBM Red Alert APAR OA27386 Top-Secret or ACF2

2009-02-06 Thread Knutson, Sam
PTF UA45540 is available for OA27386. The Red Alert was especially noteworthy for anyone running Top-Secret or ACF2. http://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1OA27386 http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/set2/sas/f/redAlerts/20081215.html Partial Release of VSAM Extended Format Data

Re: Interesting APAR OA27291 an undocumented change to GETMAIN Behavior in z/OS 1.10

2009-02-06 Thread Walt Farrell
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:02:42 -0700, Roach, Dennis (N-GHG) dennis.ro...@lmco.com wrote: I never knew about the 4096 or 8192 rules. I had always been taught that the ONLY time storage is cleared is when RSM assigns a real page to a virtual page that is not already backed by one in aux storage. I

Re: Interesting APAR OA27291 an undocumented change to GETMAIN Behavior in z/OS 1.10

2009-02-06 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Guy Gardoit wrote: For the life of me, I can't understand why this is such a surprise or problem. How many bad programmers were-there/are-there anyway? Sorry, but one who breaks the rules, end

Re: Interesting APAR OA27291 an undocumented change to GETMAIN Behavior in z/OS 1.10

2009-02-06 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John McKown On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:53:03 -0600, Chase, John wrote: snip This thread should also reinforce the notion, If you want it done right, do it yourself. IOW, if you want GETMAINed storage to be clean,

Re: How to CAP CPU CICS workload using resource GROUP in WLM

2009-02-06 Thread Tommy Tsui
yes ..I try to use subsystem instance group...but I seems doesn't work properly how comes?/ On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Kelman, Tom thomas.kel...@commercebank.com wrote: I'm not sure I understand. Are you wanting to put a CPU usage cap on your CICS regions? I would think that is one

Re: OAM RECALL objects to DB2 dasd...IMAGPLUS

2009-02-06 Thread Wissink, Brad [ITSYS]
Joel, We had to recall all our objects because our 3995 optical jukebox was going off support. I set up the CBROAM00 member as follows; SETOPT MOUNTWAITTIME(60) SETOSMC MAXRECALLTASKS(5) STORAGEGROUP(SGROUP00 RECALLOPTICAL(255))

Re: Interesting APAR OA27291 an undocumented change to GETMAIN Behavior in z/OS 1.10

2009-02-06 Thread Roach, Dennis (N-GHG)
This performance issue is what was fixed in LE at some point. IBM did have a well documented option that would make it work like it used to. Dennis Roach GHG Corporation Lockheed Marten Mission Services FDOC Contract 2100 Space Park Drive LM-15-4BH Houston, Texas 77058 Voice: (281) 336-5027

APAR OA25205 - SMF 42 for member add/del/rename

2009-02-06 Thread John McKown
Now this is interesting (to me). APAR OA25205. PROBLEM SUMMARY: * USERS AFFECTED: Users of DFSMS that use PDS or PDSE data * * sets that require an SMF audit trail at * * the member

z/Linux

2009-02-06 Thread Ron Wells
anyone know if SAS can run on z/Linux?? from what I gather SAS only supports it on Intel/amd platform -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally

Re: Interesting APAR OA27291 an undocumented change to GETMAIN Behavior in z/OS 1.10

2009-02-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
To single out this one class of error as inexcusable or bad programming is absurd. That's my opinion. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion. But, not initialising is the worst mistake a programmer can make! The first thing I was taught, in the early 1970's, was always ensure your data

Re: Interesting APAR OA27291 an undocumented change to GETMAIN Behavior in z/OS 1.10

2009-02-06 Thread Edward Jaffe
Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM wrote: What worries me is the fact that the fix sets default processing to UseZosV1R9Rules(Yes). You don't have to do anything to remain in the safe pre-1.10 mode, so many customers will probably overlook this 1.10 enhancement. The pre-1.10 mode is not safe--just a

Re: Copy SMF Records With Syncsort

2009-02-06 Thread Barry Merrill
You could also have corrected those records with just SAS, i.e., MXG not required: DATA _NULL_; INFILE SMF; INPUT @11 SYSTEM $EBCDIC4. @; IF SYSTEM='1234' THEN SYSTEM='5678'; ELSE ... change system to desired; FILE SMFOUT DCB=SMF; PUT _INFILE_ @11 SYSTEM $EBCDIC4. ; FILE LOG;

Re: z/Linux

2009-02-06 Thread Scott Barry
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:08:17 -0600, Ron Wells rwe...@agfinance.com wrote: anyone know if SAS can run on z/Linux?? from what I gather SAS only supports it on Intel/amd platform SAS does not currently run on zLinux. I would encourage all interested parties to formally contact SAS Support for

Re: Interesting APAR OA27291 an undocumented change to GETMAIN Behavior in z/OS 1.10

2009-02-06 Thread John McKown
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:53:03 -0600, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com wrote: snip This thread should also reinforce the notion, If you want it done right, do it yourself. IOW, if you want GETMAINed storage to be clean, then clean it yourself, every time you GETMAIN. -jc- I generally agree.

Re: How to CAP CPU CICS workload using resource GROUP in WLM

2009-02-06 Thread Kelman, Tom
I'm not sure I understand. Are you wanting to put a CPU usage cap on your CICS regions? I would think that is one are where you definitely don't want to use a cap. As far as defining the CICS regions to WLM using sub-system instance group, that is the VTAM APPLID. Tom Kelman Enterprise

Re: Interesting APAR OA27291 an undocumented change to GETMAIN Behavior in z/OS 1.10

2009-02-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
This thread should also reinforce the notion, If you want it done right, do it yourself. IOW, if you want GETMAINed storage to be clean, then clean it yourself, every time you GETMAIN. 100% in agreement. The first programme I wrote (1971 -- High School) was in FORTRAN, and we learned about DO

Re: Interesting APAR OA27291 an undocumented change to GETMAIN Behavior in z/OS 1.10

2009-02-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I generally agree. However, IIRC, the PL/I compiler did this type of operation long ago. And when somebody would specify large buffers, then the compiler would cause a large paging spike due to initializing a couple of meg(?) of storage to x'00'. With today's memory-rich environment, is this

Re: z/Linux

2009-02-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
anyone know if SAS can run on z/Linux?? from what I gather SAS only supports it on Intel/amd platform Why not go to www.sas.com and post this query? They can answer better than we can. Also, you could make a formal request to have it supported. - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: z/Linux

2009-02-06 Thread Mark Post
On 2/6/2009 at 11:08 AM, Ron Wells rwe...@agfinance.com wrote: anyone know if SAS can run on z/Linux?? from what I gather SAS only supports it on Intel/amd platform So far, SAS Institute has declined to put it on the market, although various beta testers among their customers were very happy

Re: APAR OA25205 - SMF 42 for member add/del/rename

2009-02-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
Do you think the MAN files will need to be increased in order to support this PTF? I like the idea about having an SMF record to go back and see who did what to whom, but it might put more stress on a busy PDS/PDSE updating system. Lizette Now this is interesting (to me). APAR OA25205.

Re: z/Linux

2009-02-06 Thread Ron Wells
Been to site and asked question and there list they gave me did not have z/Linux...so yes..I submitted interest..let's see if someone...someday---wakes up.. but then---there maybe less money for them Oh---forgot---we'll just bail them outor give them more money because they had to

Re: z/Linux

2009-02-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
there maybe less money for them. Why would there be less money? You can't charge for LINUX (except maybe support), but you can charge for products that run under LINUX. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN

Assembler Question

2009-02-06 Thread Ward, Mike S
Hello, all I have a question. I was just looking through the principle of ops guide on an instruction I had a question on and noticed a BAS instruction. I started reading about it and noticed that it said we should use the BAS, BASR type of instructions instead of the BAL and BALR types. I won't

Re: z/Linux

2009-02-06 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:34:56 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: there maybe less money for them. Why would there be less money? You can't charge for LINUX (except maybe support), but you can charge for products that run under LINUX. Yes, you can charge for Linux. In any case, Ron was talking about SAS.

Re: z/Linux

2009-02-06 Thread Mark Jacobs
Ted MacNEIL wrote: there maybe less money for them. Why would there be less money? You can't charge for LINUX (except maybe support), but you can charge for products that run under LINUX. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! Not exactly true. You can charge for LINUX, the

Re: DD DEST=(MS Windows machine)

2009-02-06 Thread Carlos Cordero
An option is use the FTP utility over the EXEC statement; then, after the DDs definition, (DSN to be transfered, otuput, ReturnCodes, etc) becomes the ftp sentences to signin,, this step declares the IP, user and password for the server (whatever of kind) and multiple FTP options Keep in

Re: APAR OA25205 - SMF 42 for member add/del/rename

2009-02-06 Thread Walt Farrell
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:08:17 -0600, John McKown joa...@swbell.net wrote: Now this is interesting (to me). APAR OA25205. PROBLEM SUMMARY: * USERS AFFECTED: Users of DFSMS that use PDS or PDSE data * * sets

Re: Interesting APAR OA27291 an undocumented change to GETMAIN Behavior in z/OS 1.10

2009-02-06 Thread Marna WALLE
FWIW...the z/OS R10 Migration book has been recently refreshed and is available on the z/OS R10 bookshelves. The reason I mention this, is because we added a migration action for OA27291. There's some good information in there also, I daresay. (Here's a link to the BOOK:

Re: z/Linux

2009-02-06 Thread Gibney, Dave
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL So, my question still stands. Why would SAS Institute not make a profit on z/LINUX SAS? PS: I'm aware of the terms and conditions of the GPL. - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: APAR OA25205 - SMF 42 for member add/del/rename

2009-02-06 Thread Bob Rutledge
The PTF for that APAR breaks macro IGWSMF, at least in HDZ1190. We have a PMR open and fixing APAR has been promised. Bob John McKown wrote: Now this is interesting (to me). APAR OA25205. PROBLEM SUMMARY: * USERS AFFECTED:

Re: z/Linux

2009-02-06 Thread John McKown
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:57:31 -0500, Mark Jacobs mark.jac...@custserv.com wrote: Not exactly true. You can charge for LINUX, the question is will anyone pay for it. True. But we do pay for it. Why? Not for Linux, per se, but for the support. And the support only comes when you buy that vendor's

Output to SYSOUX FILE

2009-02-06 Thread Howard Brazee
I know we've talked about this before, but I can't find in my notes how to simultaneously make output go to SYSOUX and to a file? I tried going to a file first and copying it, but when the program Abended, I looked at the file and it was from a previous run.

Re: DD DEST=(MS Windows machine)

2009-02-06 Thread Walt Farrell
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 07:50:57 -0800, Don Russell russell@gmail.com wrote: I'm toying with different ideas of how to send data to an MS Windows server from MVS (1.9) Right now I have step one produce a sequential, plain text file on DASD, and step 2 uses FTP to send it to the PC, translating

Re: z/Linux

2009-02-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Not exactly true. You can charge for LINUX, the question is will anyone pay for it. There is nothing in the GPL license that prevents you from making your own distribution and charging for it. You just have to supply the source code and not prevent anyone from doing whatever they want with

Re: Bruce Black passed away

2009-02-06 Thread Hawley, Scott R
I keep BB in my address book, out of respect for the guru, RIP Bruce! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of R Hey Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Bruce Black passed away To my

Re: Interesting APAR OA27291 an undocumented change to GETMAIN Behavior in z/OS 1.10

2009-02-06 Thread Don Leahy
Assumptions about the state of uninitialized storage can bite the best of us. Last year we ran into a problem with the Cobol code generated by the SQL Coprocessor using Enterprise Cobol 3.3 under DB2 V8. In the SQL---PLIST it was generating the following FILLER area: 02 SQL---STMT-NUMPIC

Re: z/Linux

2009-02-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Because 1. The pricing scheme would be expected to be cheaper Why? Oracle is not cheaper under z/LINUX. 2. Therefore many would drop their z/OS (expensive) license They're already cheaper under UNIX Windows. 3. Thus SAS Institute total revenue might suffer. Might! NOT will. And, I

Re: z/Linux, Was SAS, now Oracle

2009-02-06 Thread Gibney, Dave
I may be wrong, but I thought Oracle was still a per processor license, even under z/Linux. A dozen Oracles on a zprocessor is cheaper than the same on dedicated Intel boxen. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State Univsersity -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: How to APPLY FMID's again

2009-02-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:44:49 -0800, Skip Robinson wrote: I'm not sure what Gil means by 'exportable'. There was a period some years ISV's point of view. I was wondering whether BUILDMCS might be a technique for (re-)packaging a function for distribution to customers in the field. Clearly, now

Re: Changes to Shopz

2009-02-06 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
1) Who and how did IBM announce these changes to the process so we could of had this all in place rather than race to get it fixed. 2) We noticed on the website we see RSU is available to download for our z/OS system but no indication of PUT which we also download. Does anyone know will it

SHOWzOS 7.18 latest beta available

2009-02-06 Thread Roland Schiradin
Hi, what's new *$718RS1107 * Implement enhancements contributed by Roland Schiradin RS0908 * Display some System Rexx dataRS0209 * Fixed S0C7 using the TCP/IP client/server display func

Re: DD DEST=(MS Windows machine)

2009-02-06 Thread A. Harry Williams
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 07:50:57 -0800 Don Russell said: I'm toying with different ideas of how to send data to an MS Windows server from MVS (1.9) Right now I have step one produce a sequential, plain text file on DASD, and step 2 uses FTP to send it to the PC, translating ebcdic to ascii along the

Re: DD DEST=(MS Windows machine)

2009-02-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 07:50:57 -0800, Don Russell wrote: Note: The PC is not a user workstation, it's a server that watches the directory the FTP process writes to, and then processes the file when the size stops changing. (Seems a little hokey to me... but there it is) Considerably hokey. I'd

Re: z/Linux, Was SAS, now Oracle

2009-02-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I may be wrong, but I thought Oracle was still a per processor license, even under z/Linux. A dozen Oracles on a zprocessor is cheaper than the same on dedicated Intel boxen. Yes, you are correct. But, aside from being accurate, what does this have to do with SAS licensing, under z/LINUX, which

Re: CA-1 TO RMM CONVERSION: RDS

2009-02-06 Thread Mike Wood
Avner, If you have no RDS you do not need to run EDGJSRDS, except when you are using special keyword EXPDT values in JCL and want those to be continued to be used under rmm. The dates are extracted in EDGJ5LDR and merged with any RDS entries in EDGJSRDS. If you need to handled the special

Re: z/Linux, Was SAS, now Oracle

2009-02-06 Thread P S
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: I may be wrong, but I thought Oracle was still a per processor license, even under z/Linux. A dozen Oracles on a zprocessor is cheaper than the same on dedicated Intel boxen. Yes, you are correct. But, aside from being

estae/frr/sdwa ?

2009-02-06 Thread Paul Schuster
Hello: I have an ESTAE coded, but discovered it isn't doing its job correctly. (It is essentially being bypassed.) So, 1) from a dump, is it possible to tell if an SDWA was being passed to the ESTAE routine? and 2) is it possible to tell if an FRR got control instead of my ESTAE? (During

Re: z/Linux, Was SAS, now Oracle

2009-02-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
You're assuming that you can only run ONE copy of Linux on a CPU. I'm making no such assumption. Since you can run more than one, the net is that it's a lot cheaper to use Oracle on Linux on z than on the same horsepower of, say, Intel boxes. I'm well aware of this. More than one site has

Re: estae/frr/sdwa ?

2009-02-06 Thread Edward Jaffe
Paul Schuster wrote: Hello: I have an ESTAE coded, but discovered it isn't doing its job correctly. (It is essentially being bypassed.) So, 1) from a dump, is it possible to tell if an SDWA was being passed to the ESTAE routine? and 2) is it possible to tell if an FRR got control instead of