pax and autoconversion (was: MGET ERROR)

2013-08-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:20:43 -0500, Paul Gilmartin (yes, I) wrote: ... Does your waystation system support pax, or equivalently, tar? I've done things similar to (from memory; not verbatim tested): ssh waystation tar -cf - U01302168 | iconv -f IBM-1047 -t ISO8859-1 |# I

Re: USS Continuation (Was Coptying Unix Files)

2013-08-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:19:20 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote: Only IBM would see the wisdom in running TSO in batch in order to run a z/OS Unix shell :-) (Yah, but who other than IBM would have conceived of a z/OS Unix shell, EBCDIC based even, in the first place?) The rational way would be where the

Re: MGET ERROR

2013-08-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2013-08-20, at 07:35, Bob Shannon wrote: I dispense with making individual directories. lcd /u/mydir binary mget * (REPLACE mget SMPPTFIN/* (REPLACE mget SMPHOLD/* (REPLACE quit After the FTP is complete I rename the

Re: Man Pages for Ported Tools?

2013-08-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 11:16:35 -0500, John McKown wrote: export MANPATH=${MANPATH}:/usr/lpp/ported/man/%L Works for me, too. Thanks. Fairly Mysterious; I see: SPPG@MVS3:134$ ( cd /usr/lpp/ported/man amp; find . -ls ) 241 drwxr-xr-x 3 SSSV OMVS 288 Oct 2 2011 . 25

Re: USS Continuation (Was Coptying Unix Files)

2013-08-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:34:55 -0400, Neil Haley nha...@ca.ibm.com wrote: ... //*** //* Enter shell commands below, only need * //* SH on the first line, separate commands * //* with an ';' *

Re: Deleting Alias

2013-08-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:07:51 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: In any case, unless both the alias and the data set name resolve to the same user catalog, the alias is worthless. That is one of the dumber design decisions I have ever encountered. Simply, alias resolution should search for the RELATED

Re: Deleting Alias

2013-08-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 07:17:27 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: DEF TED.MY.FILE ALIAS RELATE(BOB.MY.FILE) then both BOB hlq and TED hlq must be in MYUCAT1 You can control which catalog the TED alias is created in, but if the catalogs are different you lose either way. If you create TED in BOB's

Re: Deleting Alias

2013-08-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:25:48 +0530, mf db wrote: But I am not able to create and relate with same alias and I get a duplicate dataset entry. Here the background is that I am trying to use this alias in one of our proclibs. If the alias has the same name as the related data set, it would seem

Re: SCRT question

2013-08-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 23:16:17 +, Mark Yuhas wrote: Has anybody successfully FTPd the SCRT report in a batch job to a zFS file? When I try it, I get a weird file. When I use a Windows, the file transfers without a problem. People will want much more information: o What are the attributes

Re: TRSMAIN

2013-08-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 19:39:31 -0500, Barry Merrill wrote: It's an easy JCL exercise to conduct an experiment to confirm what happens: TRSMAIN/AMATERSE will read a truncated tersed file and never detect it was truncated. Checksum is your friend. Here's how to generate one using standard z/OS

Re: DCBs and DCBEs - Could IBM have done it any worse?

2013-08-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 01:10:42 -0500, Klaus Stanislawiak wrote: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:41:11 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: I prefer to be told when I make a programming error. When did I say that? It looks that they are going to tell us soon. Please see APARs OA42701, OA43000 and OA43037

Re: Attention: PuTTY users - serious security flaw

2013-08-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:24:05 -0500, John McKown wrote: According to Gentoo at http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/159880?rdf quote Description === Multiple vulnerabilities have been discovered in PuTTY. Please review the CVE identifiers referenced below for details. Impact

Re: Listing hidden ALIASes in a PDS/E?

2013-08-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:55:48 -0500, John McKown wrote: ... The output shows all of the external, long, names as HIDDEN and I can't see those aliases in an ISPF directory listing. Is there any way to see the aliases at all? Am I missing some option in ISPF? Will AMBLIST show aliases? I

Re: Listing hidden ALIASes in a PDS/E?

2013-08-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:28:19 -0400, John Gilmore wrote: Whether WAD, 'working as designed', or BAD, 'broken as designed', is perhaps moot. The problem of selecting one among several modules of the same name in different PDS[E]s for inclusion in an executable is much better addressed by using a

Re: SCRT question

2013-08-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:17:21 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: On 8/24/2013 10:06 AM, John Gilmore wrote: A preoccupation with having a first PDS member begin on a notional track boundary of an emulated device strikes me as misplaced, even bizarre; but it would be my guess that it is also

More geometry (was: SCRT ...)

2013-08-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 16:25:42 -0400, John Gilmore wrote: ... What, for example, does 'track oriented' mean when the underlying architecture is FBA? When the underlying architecture is random-access storage? What effect does the allocation BLKSIZE have on a PDSE Program Object library? I'd be

Re: Enterprise COBOL execution POSIX(ON) LE parm.

2013-08-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:06:14 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: Not COBOL, but ... I have a rather large STC written in C++. I had done it all POSIX(OFF) for no particular reason except if it ain't broke ... I needed to support GSK which requires POSIX(ON). There were a *lot* of little surprises. Lots

Re: Rexx Execio to PDS

2013-08-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:21:18 -0400, George Shedlock wrote: Gentle Listers; I am trying to write a Rexx routine that takes in 3 arguments. First is DSN, second is Member name, third is a string of text. The string of text is the concatenation of lines delimited by a ;. (ex. line1;line2;line3).

Re: Rexx Execio to PDS

2013-08-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2013-08-26 13:41, Lizette Koehler wrote: First, there is a REXX Newsgroup that might be more helpful. To sign up - if you have not done so - go to the bottom of this webpage: http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?TSO-REXX Second, why use EXECIO instead of ISPF LM functions? What

Re: Rexx Execio to PDS

2013-08-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:43:46 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: I would suggest that you read up on EXECIO * DISKW and stems You will figure it out if you look at the file that got the E37 Kind of a snarky RTFM, but I suppose I was similarly Socratic in my followup. So, I RTFM; Title: z/OS V1R13.0

Re: Rexx Execio to PDS

2013-08-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2013-08-26 17:03, Gerhard Adam wrote: When EXECIO writes an arbitrary number of lines from a list of compound variables, it stops when it reaches a null value or an uninitialized variable (one that displays its own name). ** * Top of Data

Re: Rexx Execio to PDS

2013-08-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 21:27:42 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote: And although this change would not be needed for the code to work, for consistency and to actually use the outstem.0 value as a constraint the EXECIO should probably be changed to EXECIO outstem.0 DISKW Pdsout (STEM outstem. FINIS That way

Re: Enterprise COBOL execution POSIX(ON) LE parm.

2013-08-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 02:07:08 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote: Tom Ross wrote: COBOL does really suppport multithreading, but you need to use the THREAD compiler option to get that support. And lose ability to use some elements (example: SORT statement). :-(

Re: Rexx Execio to PDS

2013-08-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 01:51:54 -0500, Karl-Heinz Doppelfeld wrote: your code is right except your inititialyze for 'outstem.=0'. This initialyze the complete stem 'outstem.' with '0' and than the execio tries to write many (I do not know how much) lines to your output file. When you initialyze

Re: Rexx Execio to PDS

2013-08-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:14:58 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: ... the description of FINIS suggest that you may want it in a separate EXECIO invocation. Can you explain? I've never had a problem with it. -- gil -- For

Re: Rexx Execio to PDS

2013-08-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:45:22 -0400, George Shedlock wrote: Paul:    You have noted one of the subtle differences in the way that Execio works in the CMS vs TSO environments. It seems that in CMS, the EXECIO * stops after the stem runs out. In TSO, it continues on forever resulting in my out of

Re: Rexx Execio to PDS

2013-08-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:02:03 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: on 08/26/2013 at 04:47 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: It should probably be stressed that EXECIO, unlike most Rexx utilities does not [substitute] the values of any simple symbols in the tail as described in 2.4.3, Unlike? How

Re: Dataset hold lock

2013-08-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 08:28:31 +, Chokalingam Thangavelu wrote: Is there a way to find out which jobs userids was Holding/Locking the dataset? One of our FTP job failed in July and need to find out the root cause of the failure. We have not seen any network failure, so need to find out

Re: Task to subtask communications

2013-08-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:48:25 -0400, Blaicher, Christopher Y. wrote: There are lots of ways to do this. Some of the questions you have to first ask are: 1) Are the tasks asynchronous to each other? 2) Can there be more than one slave task? 3) What are you attempting to accomplish with sub

Re: CBT tape files directly onto z/OS.

2013-08-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:10:51 -0500, John McKown wrote: 1) go to the CBTtape.org site to determine the URL of the CBTtape file you want. E.g. cbttape.org/ftp/updates/CBT897.zip 2) get to a z/OS UNIX shell and enter the following UNIX commands cd some-subdirectory curl -B

Re: UNIT=SEP still alive (?)

2013-08-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2013-08-29 14:56, John McKown wrote: SEP= was supposed to guarantee that the data sets were placed on SEParate volumes. Likely to enhance concurrent I/O overlap. This was probably most effective if yours was the only job running in the system at that instant. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:48

Re: UNIT=SEP still alive (?)

2013-09-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 10:53:19 -0400, DanD wrote: Device allocation for JES2 occurs at step initiation. Each step would allocate a single device. If RETAIN was coded AVR would recognize the mounted volume and reuse the same device for the next step. Let's talk about DYNALLOC. AFAICT, DYNALLOC

Re: UNIT=SEP still alive (?)

2013-09-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 17:05:23 -0500, efinnell15 wrote: IIRC still need referback incrementing label as you go for multivolume files. //DD1 LABEL=(1,SL) //DD2 LABEL=(2,SL),VOL=REF=DD1 //DD3 LABEL=(3,SL),VOL=REF=DD2 Yes, but I was trying to use DYNALLOC. POSITION is easy, but what's the SVC 99 TU

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:46:13 +0100, Martin Packer wrote: Doesn't SMF 14 / 15 help you here? Probably 15 as it's SORTWK etc. The problem will be identifying the actual sort work DD statement names. Maybe 30 can also do it - assuming it marks a DD as tape. And assuming that the job in question has

Re: RACF Database protection

2013-09-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:41:49 +0100, Costin Enache wrote: The password phrase hash can be split into blocks of 8 bytes, and each of them cracked independently, also in parallel. Sounds like a half-hearted implementation -- what would have been the additional cost of using larger blocks? So I

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:34:26 -0500, Eric Bielefeld wrote: Can't you use a program that will read the members of a pds and search for UNIT=TAPE on SORTWKnn DD statements? You should be able to search all of your production libraries fairly quickly to identify all of the jobs. Hopefully you have

Re: SYSIN in PROC -- technique

2013-09-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 19:42:16 +, Smith, Sean M wrote: Be aware, use of system symbols in JCL is supported in JES2 in z/OS 2.1, NOT JES3. Another good reason to upgrade to JES2. It's logically impossible for JES3 setup to exploit or even accommodate the newer features of JCL, even dating

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 17:04:10 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: Back 40 years ago we sorted the name address file everyweek and IIRC that was 40M records. Yes we used tape sort. It ran standalone (except for the onlines) they finally broke it down to several sorts and a merge as we didn't have tape/disk

Re: ACS routine question.

2013-09-04 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 14:58:05 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: I can check if a text keyword was not filled in in the allocation request, e.g.: WHEN(DATACLAS = ''). But this distingush between an explicitly coded DATACLAS='' and DATACLAS not coded, or likewise fail to distingush? (Or is the

Re: SYSIN in PROC -- technique

2013-09-04 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 11:27:32 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: on 09/03/2013 at 07:30 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: It's logically impossible for JES3 setup to exploit or even accommodate the newer features of JCL, even dating back to IF...THEN...ELSE...ENDIF. Nonsense. OK. At least

Re: Sortlessness?

2013-09-04 Thread Paul Gilmartin
(I'm trying to move this to IBM-MAIN; it really doesn't belong on ASSEMBLER-LIST. And not trimming quoted material as much as I usually would.) On 2013-09-04 10:29, Tony Harminc wrote: On 1 September 2013 00:51, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On 2013-08-31, at 08:55, John Gilmore wrote: ... They use

Re: Searching for a SUBMIT and WRITER tool

2013-09-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 14:58:11 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: Or the other way round: the users can get all the spoolspace they want, when they pay it. Only the sun rises for free, as we say here. Wouldn't it be nice to be able not to ABEND, but to checkpoint the job when it reaches the limlt

Re: timezone_name?

2013-09-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 16:13:07 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: 2. Does setting timezone_name to EST or PDT make sense? Is EST or PDT an appropriate sort of setting? To be POSIXly correct, you should follow: Title: z/OS V1R13.0 XL C/C++ Programming Guide Document Number: SC09-4765-12 8.4.1 Using the

Re: Where environment variables set for batch POSIX programs?

2013-09-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:43:50 -0500, John McKown wrote: LE parameters in PARMLIB. TZ is a Language Environment variable as well as UNIX. UNIX will inherit it from LE if not set elsewhere. But it won't govern the behavior of the TIME macro, will it? So much for DRY. -- gil

Re: timezone_name?

2013-09-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 15:38:05 +, Staller, Allan wrote: I haven't specifically looked, but IIRC, TZ can be specified as GMT plus/minus offset Does the code then need to be changed semiannually? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Dynamic Allocation in COBOL

2013-09-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 09:54:01 -0700, Alan Young wrote: I use BPXWDYN where I can. Unfortunately, with tape datasets all the needed parameters a sometimes not there. ... Bill Schoen has mentioned in MVS-OE that some parameters have been implemented but not yet documented. Guess? Search for

Re: Where environment variables set for batch POSIX programs?

2013-09-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 07:05:56 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: My question is what do I tell the customers that ask how come you don't get the time right without us telling you what to do with a parm or DD? Our MVS programs know what the local time is. What's wrong with your program? I want to be able

Re: timezone_name?

2013-09-08 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 08:04:35 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database Does tell you the offset, when to switch. And when to add or subtract leap seconds. z/OS is the only OS of which I know that accommodates leap seconds in its hardware clock (are there others?) I

Re: Destination z: Strolling Down Memory (Core) Lane

2013-09-08 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 09:58:29 -0700, Jon Perryman wrote: WOW. How did it use drum as main memmory? Did it have like 1K of real memory and have hardware to move from drum upon address resolution? Or is drum a similar architecture to ram? Nope. None of the above. The drum was real. From:

Re: timezone_name?

2013-09-08 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 16:22:53 -0400, John Gilmore wrote: I'm not sure I understand Paul's last post. z/OS does keep the current leap-second count at hand. This value changes at most twice a year, at the end of June and at the end of December; and ample advance notice, at least six months' notice

Re: OT: Obscurity Is Not Security... Or Is It?

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 08:47:20 -0500, Ray Overby wrote: There is a software product called z/Assure Vulnerability Analysis Product that will allow a z/OS installation to identify exposures/vulnerabilities in IBM, ISV, and installation written code. All of them? With this software product you can

Re: OT: Obscurity Is Not Security... Or Is It?

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:06:59 -0400, John Gilmore wrote: Strong encryption can, as a practical matter, ensure the safety of a message transmitted from computer S to computer T. Doesn't the imputed strength of most (all?) prevalent encryption schemes depend on their somewhat conjectural N-P

Re: OT: Obscurity Is Not Security... Or Is It?

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2013-09-09, at 08:11, R.S. wrote: On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 08:47:20 -0500, Ray Overby wrote: There is a software product called z/Assure Vulnerability Analysis Product that will allow a z/OS installation to identify exposures/vulnerabilities in IBM, ISV, and installation written code. I

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:39:37 -0500, Barry Merrill wrote: You have not lived until you have used a Texas Instruments Silent 700 at 300 baud to watch a Ah! Thermal paper? But that provided me the epiphany that computers could deal with mixed-case text. I have not turned back. But I've used a

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:38:27 -0500, Barry Merrill wrote: Did you have the same fun and games I had with Southwestern Bell, during the 70s-80, as each time I got a faster modem, I was the first customer with that speed, and their engineers had to come out and measure which of my 6 lines was

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 12:02:31 -0500, Norbert Friemel wrote: Anyway, DFSORT has a FTOV function. But I need an anyTOV type function. That is, it will read FB or VB and output VB. Use IEBGENER or IDCAMS-REPRO. No special option is needed. The output LRECL must be 4 bytes longer than the input LRECL

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:16:45 -0400, John Gilmore wrote: Peter, To me 'experimental' is never pejorative. An experiment queries the environment to make date-driven decisions. I might accommodate Peter by using adaptive or facultative in place of experimental. We do, however, disagree about the

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:03:03 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: on 09/09/2013 at 11:14 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: Then what went wrong? You used the wrong tool. Try ALLOCATE DD(SYSIN) DSN(*) Why would I do that for an interactive command? Try EDIT foo.text. RHETORIC Why does DSN(*) exist

Re: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 02:44:12 +, Gibney, Dave wrote: Yes, PDS/E shared outside of Sysplex is a problem if the sharing is not close to strictly read only. Specifically, address spaces with the PDS/E open in LPAR A will not like it after you update the PDS/E from LPAR B (we have 4 monplexes

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:41:56 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: On 9/9/2013 10:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Merely that it was the first time I saw a computer (it was a PDP-10) writing messages and column headings in mixed case. Thermal is irrelevant; merely an exclamation of recognition

Re: ADRDSSU DUMP and non-z/OS volumes

2013-09-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:00:30 -0500, Darth Keller wrote: In the recent past, we were using ADRDSSU to create backups of our zVM/Linnux volumes for our DR, but it required that we vary the volumes online. Recently we switched over to using FDR as we can do them while the volumes are offline.

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 10:52:03 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: I understand your point, but the ASR 33 always was a mono-case device. IIRC, it simply ignored the bit that selected upper/lower case. Folding was automatic. 1403 printers had a FOLD option bit, honored by the hardware. Normally

Re: DFSMShsm and backing up ZFS files

2013-09-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 07:24:23 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: z/OS V1R11.0 UNIX System Services Planning z/OS V1R11.0 GA22-7800-17 Unlike other non-VSAM data sets that can be opened and closed repeatedly throughout the day, some file systems are often mounted for several days or weeks at a

Re: NTP server with System z for PCI-DSS compliance

2013-09-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:12:14 -0500, John McKown wrote: The problem is that z/OS _cannot_ allow the TOD clock (hardware clock) to go backwards. The way that STP addresses this is that the STP software can speed up or slow down the TOD increment pulse (or whatever it's called). This is the hardware

Re: 1403 Printer components manual GA24-3073-3

2013-09-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:39:26 -0500, efinnell15 wrote: http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/140x/GA24-3073-8_1403_printer.pdf Found this on bitsavers. I remember the lid would come open when the paper ran out, normally right after the shift supervisor put their beverage cup on it. The

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-12 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2013-09-12, at 05:03, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: at 11:00 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: Sometimes it appears that you deliberately over-prune quoted material so you can refute something the previous poster never said. ... A program that is not written to do standard terminal I/O

Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)

2013-09-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:03:03 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote:. APAR Identifier .. OA41040 Last Changed 13/09/12 Ambiguous date. https://xkcd.com/1179/ Symptom .. NF FUNCTION Status ... CLOSED UR1 What's UR1? I suppose I should RTFM. Component

Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)

2013-09-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 22:52:14 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: APAR Identifier .. OA41040 Last Changed 13/09/12 d/m/y (European Date Format) - ie: September 13, 2012. LOL. I guess you're trying to prove Gil's point. :) It's a shame there are so many dots in there. Otherwise they

Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)

2013-09-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 05:59:59 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 9/14/2013 4:13 AM, David Crayford wrote: Are z/OS FBA services new or are IBM releasing internal services that have been used by the likes of media manager for years? All new. The new IOSFBA service is not for managing fixed-block data

Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)

2013-09-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:17:33 -0400, Gord Tomlin wrote: FBA Services are intended to allow a FBA device to be updated by both z/OS and other platforms. The API (IOSFBA) is all new, and is in no way related to the access methods we all know and love. Forget all about data sets, VTOCs, cylinders,

Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)

2013-09-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 19:10:08 +0200, Jan Vanbrabant wrote: Hi listers, The base IOS apar OA41040 has been closed. It contains now: ... *V1R13 SA22-7608 MVS Programming Authorized Assembler Services *Guide http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/zoslib/pdf/IOSFBASC_113.pdf *Chapter 32. z/OS

Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)

2013-09-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:41:33 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 9/16/2013 3:04 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: That sounds like Virtual Tape Libraries and not AIX or Linux disk file systems. I'm pretty sure the support is intended to access ordinary FBA disk files and has nothing whatsoever to do with tape. Is

Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)

2013-09-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:48:55 -0500, John McKown wrote: HFS UNIX filesystems are supported in the OMVS address space itself. zFS filesystems are supported in a colony address space called ZFS. Why not support another filesystem type, allocated on the unit record FBA device, in another colony

Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)

2013-09-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:57:55 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: On 9/16/2013 9:47 PM, John Gilmore wrote: I meant something a little more restrictive, to wit the regions that used to be [and in some measure still are] colo[u]red pink on world maps. The problem is worse than just regional. My

Re: DYNALLOC reusing DUMMY

2013-09-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 07:56:09 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: on 09/16/2013 at 04:34 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: So the free usurps the DDNAME in use by the caller. The ddname is a resource associated with the allocation. What do you expect to happen when you free a resource? I'd hardly

Re: CVTLSO, SMF, and RMF (was: Where environment variables ...)

2013-09-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:28:44 -0400, Charles Mills wrote: *Most* time fields are built by the individual record cutting product. If a product wants to record time as Latvian Summer Time expressed in Roman numerals in its SMF records it is free to do so. Thus one cannot say SMF time fields are

CVTLSO, SMF, and RMF (was: Where environment variables ...)

2013-09-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:08:26 -0400, Charles Mills wrote: Time Settings The zArchitecture hardware clock is (if your shop follows best practices) set to Universal Coordinated Time (UTC, similar to Greenwich Mean Time or GMT). I believe not. By best practice it is set (and steered by STP) to TAI

LOOKAT and 2.1

2013-09-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
Are we there yet? http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/zoslib/lookat?msgid=IEC141Irelease=ZOS%2FV2R1 ... gives me: Products Servers Enterprise Servers OS/390 LookAt LookAt - z/OS and OS/390 message help Message id

Re: LOOKAT and 2.1

2013-09-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:00:42 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: I see no 2.1, only up to 1.13. How did you entered at 2.1 (yes, I can type in that releas=ZOS... in to see where it jumps, but...)? It's magic!: #! /bin/sh zOSver=release=ZOS%2F${REL-V1R13} # Hammer and file to fit.

Re: IEBCOPY - MOVE

2013-09-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:52:02 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: Mark, I had a discussion at SHARE (long time ago grant you) with an IBM type. I think I remember this from the discussion. IEBCOPY is for copying COPY does not delete the input as it is a copy. The design was never meant for moving, ie copy

Re: DYNALLOC reusing DUMMY

2013-09-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:10:12 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: on 09/18/2013 at 01:52 PM, Thomas Berg said: OTOH, there is no dataset in action here. Just a ddname plus the dummy function... Equivalent to DSN('NULLFILE') The key point is reusing an allocation that is not marked as not

Re: IBM Information centers font size.

2013-09-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:05:35 -0400, Scott Ford wrote: All, Obvious someone mad a bad decision in regard to viewing manuals with small font. Especially us olde folks ..even with a 27 inch monitor... Has anyone mentioned the notice: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/ Note:

Re: Allocation test

2013-09-19 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 15:01:58 +0200, nitz-...@gmx.net wrote: IIRC the (pseudo) eof is only written for SMS managed PS datasets, so a PO dataset could well be allocated over old data which will then be readable. Can you force the problem PO dataset to anther place by making sure the space

Re: Allocation test

2013-09-19 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:07:48 -0500, Doug Henry wrote: This is true. In SC26-7407-07 DFSMS Implementing System-Managed Storage it says Ensured Data Integrity on New Allocations The system provides data integrity for newly allocated data sets that have not been written to. For these data sets,

Re: Allocation test

2013-09-19 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:06:25 -0500, Doug Henry wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:50:22 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: In any case, IBM should be persuaded to either produce a JCL error or modify the directory build to write an EOF. Of course their are methods to default the number of directory

Re: Allocation test

2013-09-19 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:45:02 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: On 9/19/2013 3:06 PM, Doug Henry wrote: Of course their are methods to default the number of directory blocks. One that easily comes to mind is dataclass. But isn't all of this something that occurs during allocation and open is

Re: Allocation test

2013-09-19 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:48:54 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: At a minimum, DSN=NULLFILE, unlike a plain DD DUMMY, can be used to carry more JFCB information to a program (volsers, DCBs, etc.). I use this when a program may allocate a file dynamically, and the DSORG and size are determined

Re: Allocation test

2013-09-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 08:41:56 +0200, nitz-...@gmx.net wrote: I agree with Gerhard on In any case, IBM should be persuaded to either produce a JCL error or modify the directory build to write an EOF. I tend to the second solution: Write the EOF in any case. (In setting up my testcases, I have

Re: Unused variables

2013-09-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 09:00:08 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote: It is a common and good practice to use Copy Books to define identical record layouts for record structures that are accessed by multiple programs, even if some of the programs only need to access a single field in the record or just

NULLFILE vs. DUMMY (was: Allocation test)

2013-09-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 12:01:44 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: On 9/19/2013 8:56 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: But I'll welcome a refutation, with accompanying test cases. (Un)fortunately, you won't get one. I just ran a number of tests, and in each case the DUMMY allocation produced both a TIOT

DSNAME Syntax (was: IEBCOPY - MOVE)

2013-09-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:08:25 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: ... And I think Mr. Gilmore had too many asterisks. The pattern I recall was to prepend *. until a unique name resulted (IIRC, giving things like *.*.*.jobname.other). I had a home-grown utility, run daily, that scratched temporary

Re: UNICODE to EBCDIC

2013-09-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 10:44:04 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote: On 9/23/2013 10:22 AM, John McKown wrote: If you mean a program, then the UNIX iconv command can do that. There is also the iconv set of C language subroutines if you want to write your own.

Re: Help with OpenSSH SFTP Batch

2013-09-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:48:32 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote: FYI - Slides and a recording of our June 12, 2012 webinar: IBM Ported Tools for z/OS OpenSSH: Key Authentication is available on our web site: http://dovetail.com/webinars.html (this is part 1 of a two part series; part 2 is Using Key Rings

Re: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5

2013-09-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:17:20 -0700, Tom Ross wrote: ... Step 6 when all code has been moved, the only programs in PDS should be unused, and the PDS datasets could be deleted If this plan was used, the COBOL V5 PDSE requirement would not be disruptive. My question, is it do-able? I believe

Re: UNICODE to EBCDIC

2013-09-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:56:46 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: Unicode is not a character set (or format) -- it's a whole family of character sets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode. If it's UTF-8 then you can do a 98% job if you just treat it as ASCII. If it's UTF-16 or UCS-2 you can do a 98%

Re: UNICODE to EBCDIC

2013-09-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 21:23:04 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: Not as obscure as it deserves to be. Never miss a chance on this one, do you Gil... As you know, I think UTF-EBCDIC was a great idea, and can't understand how it failed to catch on. Maybe there's just not much call for invoking legacy

Re: UNICODE to EBCDIC

2013-09-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:18:30 +0800, David Crayford wrote: The C++ committee wanted to deprecate trigraphs in the last standard http://tinyurl.com/n3nas3u. EBCDIC was the only tangible reason for keeping them alive. I've lost count of the amount of times I've had a C/C++ analysis tool choke

Re: DSNAME Syntax

2013-09-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 00:33:57 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: I was at least half-aware of the DOS-compatibility quote-framed DSNAME value loophole, but if I remember correctly there were even more limitations on the use of these quote-framed DSNAME values than Paul Gilmartin has set out

Trigraphs (was: UNICODE to EBCDIC)

2013-09-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:18:30 +0800, David Crayford wrote: The C++ committee wanted to deprecate trigraphs in the last standard http://tinyurl.com/n3nas3u. EBCDIC was the only tangible reason for keeping them alive. I've lost count of the amount of times I've had a C/C++ analysis tool choke

Re: Pissing contest(s)

2013-09-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
I had hoped I could resist contributing to this thread; alas, apparently not. On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 07:29:40 -0400, John Gilmore wrote: David, No. I in fact regret the lingering influence of 17th-century puritanism on English usage. In, say, Italian the cognate verb, pisciare, has always been

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