Yet another one here: http://hginit.com/00.html
http://hginit.com/00.htmlThe title says it all: Subversion re-education.
It is actualyy a somewhat neutral article even though the page is a
mercurial tutorial.
Regards,
David
http://hginit.com/00.html
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Larry
dukeofgaming wrote:
Yet another one here:http://hginit.com/00.html
http://hginit.com/00.htmlThe title says it all: Subversion re-education.
It is actualyy a somewhat neutral article even though the page is a
mercurial tutorial.
Actually this probably point up one of the fundamental
Its actually faster to use the command line when u have enough practice;
picture yourself merging branches or something more complicated, I think its
easier typing stuff as you think it than finding your way around a GUI,
command line reacts faster than a GUI too. I use the IDE integration though,
dukeofgaming wrote:
Its actually faster to use the command line when u have enough practice;
picture yourself merging branches or something more complicated, I think
its easier typing stuff as you think it than finding your way around a
GUI, command line reacts faster than a GUI too. I use the
Such IDE integration exists for mercurial, both for Eclipse and Netbeans,
also at shell level.
I really don't get why you say there is no easy way to rollback changes,
because there is. I do manage package updates and installations through
SVN (e.g. updating symfony, doctrine), I just don't use
dukeofgaming wrote:
Such IDE integration exists for mercurial, both for Eclipse and
Netbeans, also at shell level.
This has already been covered ... git and hg integration is only partially
functional. Git is a right pain in windows, while hg is at least functional
identically in both linux
On 12/2/10 5:33 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
Again you are missing the point here. CVS/SVN works nicely for managing
a master code base. DVCS does not naturally support that, and this is a
major area that needs to be managed by any project switching so that you
CAN manage a master codebase.
I used
hi,
I think we have enough feedback about this topic. We will come back
with a detailed proposal explaining how it could be done, which tools,
etc.
Thanks for the constructive replies,
Cheers,
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:41 PM, dukeofgaming dukeofgam...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I've never
On 2010-12-01, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
I think we have enough feedback about this topic. We will come back
with a detailed proposal explaining how it could be done, which tools,
etc.
I think it would be good to have people willing to help out with evaluating
certain DVCS.
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 10:01 -0500, David Soria Parra wrote:
On 2010-12-01, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
I think we have enough feedback about this topic. We will come back
with a detailed proposal explaining how it could be done, which tools,
etc.
I think it would be
On 01.12.2010 16:16, Johannes Schlüter wrote:
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 10:01 -0500, David Soria Parra wrote:
On 2010-12-01, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
I think we have enough feedback about this topic. We will come back
with a detailed proposal explaining how it could be done,
On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Johannes Schlüter wrote:
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 10:01 -0500, David Soria Parra wrote:
On 2010-12-01, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
I think we have enough feedback about this topic. We will come back
with a detailed proposal explaining how it could
thanks for remember me the obvious questions, anything else to add or?
2010/12/1 Johannes Schlüter johan...@schlueters.de:
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 10:01 -0500, David Soria Parra wrote:
On 2010-12-01, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
I think we have enough feedback about this
Hi,
I was following this path to push the adoption of a DVCS for the Joomla
project and I started to create the required documentation to make an
informed argument and evaluation, I made some diagrams to make the case for
their need for good team development and workflows, feel free to borrow any
The Drupal project's decision making process for moving to Git is documented
extensively here:
http://groups.drupal.org/node/48818
Just another data point.
--Larry Garfield
On Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:52:53 pm dukeofgaming wrote:
Hi,
I was following this path to push the adoption of
On Nov 29, 2010, at 4:19 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
I've not used git or hg much at all, but bzr has always satisfied my
needs for DVCS, and has recently gotten much faster and more space
efficient than it was in the past.
Sorry, but I think bzr is not a good fit. It's numerous changes to the
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Gwynne Raskind gwy...@darkrainfall.orgwrote:
On Nov 29, 2010, at 4:19 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
I've not used git or hg much at all, but bzr has always satisfied my
needs for DVCS, and has recently gotten much faster and more space
efficient than it was in
On Nov 30, 2010, at 5:10 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
I just wish I didn't have to also admit that Trac is a really great project
management system. Unless things have changed drastically since I was last
active, PHP still needs one. ^^;
just a little comment on the last statement:
do you know
Gwynne Raskind wrote:
*Googles.*
*Reads.*
Well... dang. Go Wez!!
Magic just what I was looking for as well.
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Hi, I've never participated on the lists, but this was a topic I could just
not look away from.
My take on this is that it all boils down to the statistics of the
developers and contributors, as Gwynne said, there is really no much merit
on technical aspects of the tools... but rather how the
On 2010-11-29, Clint Byrum cl...@ubuntu.com wrote:
On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 16:26 +, Lester Caine wrote:
I've not used git or hg much at all, but bzr has always satisfied my
needs for DVCS, and has recently gotten much faster and more space
efficient than it was in the past.
Sorry, but I
David Soria Parra wrote:
On 2010-11-29, Clint Byrumcl...@ubuntu.com wrote:
On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 16:26 +, Lester Caine wrote:
I've not used git or hg much at all, but bzr has always satisfied my
needs for DVCS, and has recently gotten much faster and more space
efficient than it was in the
On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 16:26 +, Lester Caine wrote:
At the end of the day however it probably has nothing to do with which DVCS
is
used for master copies. The interoperability now available does mean that we
can
safely ignore any 'choice' and simply use our own preference locally :) It
The DVCS migration path would not have to be as radical as the path
from cvs to svn. A single section of the overall svn repoistory can
be migrated to a DVCS. This pilot repo would serve two purposes:
determine if that DVCS is the correct choice and allow for a more
gradual learning curve.
Herman Radtke wrote:
The DVCS migration path would not have to be as radical as the path
from cvs to svn. A single section of the overall svn repoistory can
be migrated to a DVCS. This pilot repo would serve two purposes:
determine if that DVCS is the correct choice and allow for a more
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 21:46 -0800, Stas Malyshev wrote:
However, there are a lot of
practical challenges (auth, etc.) that need to be solved.
I think one of the biggest issues is PHP extension handling. All ways
for moving extensions in/out while keeping history are annoying. Doing
all in
I really like Git (much more than SVN actually) and I use it for all my
projects,
but I doubt moving to Git would solve anything.
IMO even CVS was quite enough for our development model.
On 11/25/2010 04:47 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
hi,
We have moved not too long ago and for what I see it gave
the branching/merging is much better, so if not anything, but could
solve/make thing easier, especially if we decide to work with more branches
(either for cherry picking, or multiple stable branches, for example the
suggested lts method)
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Antony Dovgal
GIT is realy nice!
git merging magic!
On 25/11/10 07:41, Lester Caine wrote:
Patrick ALLAERT wrote:
2010/11/25 Lester Caineles...@lsces.co.uk:
Have you used git on Windows Pierre ... It is a joke!
Yes one can get it to work, but only if you do not use anything that
the git
cygwin install destroys! And as yet there is no consensus
Nick Pope wrote:
Ultimately I'm a +1 for Git. The proper branching/merging would solve
so many issues that have been addressed recently on the mailing list
regarding the pollution of trunk with incomplete and broken features, as
well as BC breakage by feature removal...
I have been using
On 25/11/10 10:14, Lester Caine wrote:
Nick Pope wrote:
Ultimately I'm a +1 for Git. The proper branching/merging would solve
so many issues that have been addressed recently on the mailing list
regarding the pollution of trunk with incomplete and broken features, as
well as BC breakage by
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
( And installing msysgit broke ssh access to my customer sites from the
windows box. A couple of days working on fixing that produced no solution,
while simply un-installing it restored all of the broken functionality. It
On 25/11/10 11:47, Lester Caine wrote:
Nick Pope wrote:
I really couldn't make sense of this. Also - did you actually read my
last reply? The link I sent you linked to this:
http://www.eclipse.org/egit/
I've never used it. I can't vouch for it. But if that isn't some form of
integration, I
On 25/11/10 12:22, Pierre Joye wrote:
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Lester Caineles...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
( And installing msysgit broke ssh access to my customer sites from the
windows box. A couple of days working on fixing that produced no solution,
while simply un-installing it
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010, Pierre Joye wrote:
We have moved not too long ago and for what I see it gave some
opportunities to many of us to see what are the other tools on the
market, git and github in particular. I think 99% of the active
developers here are on github or use git in one way or
Derick Rethans wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010, Pierre Joye wrote:
We have moved not too long ago and for what I see it gave some
opportunities to many of us to see what are the other tools on the
market, git and github in particular. I think 99% of the active
developers here are on github or use
On 25 November 2010 07:16, Patrick ALLAERT patrickalla...@php.net wrote:
TortoiseGit
So, I now have TortoiseCVS, TortoiseSVN _and_ TortoiseGit. Gee! My
windows is slow enough ... now I'm pulling along 3 tortoises.
--
Richard Quadling
Twitter : EE : Zend
@RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html :
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
Derick Rethans wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010, Pierre Joye wrote:
We have moved not too long ago and for what I see it gave some
opportunities to many of us to see what are the other tools on the
market, git and github in
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
Derick Rethans wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010, Pierre Joye wrote:
Please not I'm not requesting to do it now and here, only trying to
get a feeling/poll about git usage.
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010, Philip Olson wrote:
Please not I'm not requesting to do it now and here, only trying to
get a feeling/poll about git usage.
The main reasons we moved to SVN and not Git include:
- Less of a learning curve, because SVN is like CVS
- Most of the CVS-SVN work was
I am not in favour; I will repeat what I just wrote to Davey:
DVCS is also a lot more egocentric thing, instead of
collaboration. You want your stuff exposed to as many developers as
possible instead of walled gardens. It might be easy enough to
share, but discovery is a lot harder.
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 16:28, Herman Radtke hermanrad...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not in favour; I will repeat what I just wrote to Davey:
DVCS is also a lot more egocentric thing, instead of
collaboration. You want your stuff exposed to as many developers as
possible instead of walled
On 2010-11-25, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010, Pierre Joye wrote:
We have moved not too long ago and for what I see it gave some
opportunities to many of us to see what are the other tools on the
market, git and github in particular. I think 99% of the active
On 2010-11-25, Andi Gutmans a...@zend.com wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 5:47 PM
To: PHP internals
Subject: [PHP-DEV] git anyone?
We have moved not too long ago and for what I see it gave some
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
weierophin...@php.net wrote:
It might be easy enough to share, but discovery is a lot harder.
Perhaps. But that's what mailing lists, issue trackers, and blogs are
for. I've had very little issue with discovery, to be honest.
And
Developers can already wall themselves off now with the github mirror.
No. People. Stop saying that. It simply isn't true.
The 'github mirror' hasn't been active for 6months.
It got killed because our box simply couldn't handle the job.
My mistake. The github mirror really isn't the point
On 2010-11-25, Herman Radtke hermanrad...@gmail.com wrote:
Developers can already wall themselves off now with the github mirror.
No. People. Stop saying that. It simply isn't true.
The 'github mirror' hasn't been active for 6months.
It got killed because our box simply couldn't handle the
As much as i might not have enough Karma to vote, being only involved
in tests, but i think git would be a great fit.
I agree with Phillip that we need to address the issues mentioned
before if we want to move over, but our community includes guys like
Travis Swicegood, who quite literally wrote
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 20:47, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
[snip]
Please not I'm not requesting to do it now and here, only trying to
get a feeling/poll about git usage.
You might recall several conversations on this during the period
where Gwynne was migrating us from CVS
On 25 November 2010 09:47, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
Please not I'm not requesting to do it now and here, only trying to
get a feeling/poll about git usage.
I would be +1 on this, where 1 is the biggest 1 possible without it
becoming 2. :)
git-svn is a reasonable alternative for
On Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:12:25 pm Daniel Brown wrote:
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 20:47, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
[snip]
Please not I'm not requesting to do it now and here, only trying to
get a feeling/poll about git usage.
You might recall several
Please not I'm not requesting to do it now and here, only trying to
get a feeling/poll about git usage.
The main reasons we moved to SVN and not Git include:
- Less of a learning curve, because SVN is like CVS
- Most of the CVS-SVN work was already finished
- A few old timers didn't want us
Hi!
We have moved not too long ago and for what I see it gave some
opportunities to many of us to see what are the other tools on the
market, git and github in particular. I think 99% of the active
developers here are on github or use git in one way or another.
My personal experience is that
-Original Message-
From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 5:47 PM
To: PHP internals
Subject: [PHP-DEV] git anyone?
hi,
We have moved not too long ago and for what I see it gave some opportunities
to many of us to see what are the
Pierre Joye wrote:
Please not I'm not requesting to do it now and here, only trying to
get a feeling/poll about git usage.
Have you used git on Windows Pierre ... It is a joke!
Yes one can get it to work, but only if you do not use anything that the git
cygwin install destroys! And as yet
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
Pierre Joye wrote:
Please not I'm not requesting to do it now and here, only trying to
get a feeling/poll about git usage.
Have you used git on Windows Pierre ... It is a joke!
I'm pretty sure, that Pierre uses
2010/11/25 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk:
Have you used git on Windows Pierre ... It is a joke!
Yes one can get it to work, but only if you do not use anything that the git
cygwin install destroys! And as yet there is no consensus on getting it
working cross platform in things like Eclipse.
2010/11/25 Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com:
hi,
We have moved not too long ago and for what I see it gave some
opportunities to many of us to see what are the other tools on the
market, git and github in particular. I think 99% of the active
developers here are on github or use git in one
Patrick ALLAERT wrote:
2010/11/25 Lester Caineles...@lsces.co.uk:
Have you used git on Windows Pierre ... It is a joke!
Yes one can get it to work, but only if you do not use anything that the git
cygwin install destroys! And as yet there is no consensus on getting it
working cross platform in
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