Re: [JAWS-Users] Outlook 2016

[Jim Pursley]

  Thanks.Yeh...works great.  Good reason to review JAWS commands from 
time to time!



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On 7/20/2018 1:13 PM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:

Kurt,

You could also use ctrl-ins-1-0 to hear the names of the colomns. In
listviews this is a handy option of jaws that works in more programs.
But alt-1-6 is more handy in this case.

Regards, Marten


On Fri, 20 Jul 2018 05:14:22 -0400 "Kurt Miller"  wrote:


Reed,
I never knew these commands. These are great. I always shift tabbed to find
this info. Thanks so much.
Kurt

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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Outlook 2016

Hi Steven,

Have you tried Alt+1 through Alt+6 to hear the From, Sent, To, CC, Subject
and BCC info?

Reed

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Sent: July 19, 2018 9:50 PM
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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Outlook 2016

Hi friends,

Using the latest JAWS 2018 and Microsoft Outlook 2016.
If I open an email, I don't seem to be able to change in to JAWS cursor and
read the top of the message heading where the to and cc fields are which is
how I would normally check this.
Has anyone had any similar issues?
The only way I can read the to and cc fields is to shift+tab back to them
and it is sometimes useful to use the JAWS cursor to read the top part of
the screen.






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Re: [JAWS-Users] Outlook 2016

[Jim Pursley]

I use the shift-tab combination; hadn't thought about using the JAWS 
cursor as I run with the numpad locked.  I don't know of another way to 
read the to and cc field information.


On 7/20/2018 1:50 AM, HICKS, Steven (ROYAL CORNWALL HOSPITALS NHS TRUST) 
wrote:

Hi friends,

Using the latest JAWS 2018 and Microsoft Outlook 2016.
If I open an email, I don't seem to be able to change in to JAWS cursor and 
read the top of the message heading where the to and cc fields are which is how 
I would normally check this.
Has anyone had any similar issues?
The only way I can read the to and cc fields is to shift+tab back to them and 
it is sometimes useful to use the JAWS cursor to read the top part of the 
screen.





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Re: [JAWS-Users] Have to get new MS office suite

[Jim Pursley]

We just upgraded to Office 365 from Thunderbird email client and Office 2010.  
I don't do much with Word, but with O365 I didn't need to uninstall anything.  
Just got a Microsoft account, bought the O365 home with 5 connections and so 
far it's running pretty smoothly.  I've never used Outlook, so I kept Tbird.  
After a few days (I'll read the FS tutorial on Outlook I bought recently) I can 
do everyday stuff like send, receive, forward, etc.  Bottom line, I've not 
found Office 2016 (which I downloaded) much different than 2010-especially for 
Excel which I constantly use.  I even see some benefits to Outlook over 
Thunderbird.  The exchange server we had to get with O365 works faster and more 
reliably than our former server of the POP variety.  So..kicking and screaming 
I upgraded and survived with a growing smile on my face.

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Casey
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 9:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Have to get new MS office suite

Hey Wayne.

I just upgraded from office 2010 32-bit to 2016 64-bit. I used 2016 before at 
my old work and found that it worked really well with jAWS 18 except for the 
semi-usual jAWS crashes, which I recently discovered seem less of an issue if 
you stick to good ole' Eloquence. I do find that certain things, like the 
spell-check, seems to work better in 2016.

I would upgrade to 2016 because it's the latest non-365 version and will 
continue to be supported for quite some time. 

I made a backup of my outlook data using the export feature. In the end, even 
though I had to uninstall Office completely in order to install the new 
version, those files were retained in my data folders and so I did not end up 
needing to use the backup. The same should be true for you, but just backup the 
folders anyway, just in case.



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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Have to get new MS office suite

Well, it is here. I am getting notices from Microsoft that my MS Office 2007 is 
no longer supported. I have basic needs and do not want to have to relearn 
everything again if I don't have to. I can upgrade through my school to 
something less than 365.  I could use some advice as to which MS Office is most 
constant with the older version. I have used 2010 and it worked reasonable 
well. I Have Windows 7 and JAWS 15 but I do have upgrades to current versions 
that I have not used. Any thoughts would be appreciated. On a related note I 
currently have my emails sent to my MS Outlook 2007. If I upgrade will the 
folders that I have created automatically export to say Outlook 2016?

 

Thanks for any help,

 

Wayne

 

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[JAWS-Users] Office 365

[Jim Pursley]

(somewhat) boldy going whereno Pursley has ever gone before.

We're upgrading to Office 365 from Thunderbird and Office 2010.  I'd 
appreciate any guidance you might have to ease the orientation process.


Thanks.




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Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft Excel 2018 Column Heading Reading

[Jim Pursley]

Earlier versions of Excel allow the user to specify column and row 
titles by the combination insert/alt control R for column titles and C 
for row titles.  The titles can be saved but occasionally wipe out and 
you have to re-do.


Hope this works for Excel 2018

Hail Sir Humphrey! (no comparison with the current NHS meant)

On 6/13/2018 3:44 PM, HICKS, Steven (ROYAL CORNWALL HOSPITALS NHS TRUST) 
wrote:

Hi friends,

I Wonder if someone can help me please?
I Have a spread sheet and across the top, there are headings so a1, a2, a3 and 
a4 are the headings of the columns going down with data in them.
Sometimes when I am half way down and moving from left to right, it would be 
useful to be able to press key key combination that would read the column 
heading that I am in so I don't have to keep remembering them, especially if I 
keep expanding the number of columns.
Does anyone know if there is a way to do this please?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Spell Check in MS Word 2016

[Jim Fettgather]

This is very interesting.
I am using Jaws 2018 with Word 2016, but I am using Office 365
version, so there could be incremental updates to the spell checker.
When pressing F7, Jaws says the misspelled word, I can then tab to
Read Sentence, and finally, a list of suggestions is shown, along with
synonyms, just so that you can make sure you are choosing the correct
word.  You can use up and down arros to navigate the list of
suggestions.
Then, after pressing enter, the next misspelled word is spoken, and I
can just tab to the list of choices again.
I find it to be a very seamless experience, and a vast improvement
over the spell check in Office 2013.

On 6/5/18, HICKS, Steven (ROYAL CORNWALL HOSPITALS NHS TRUST)
 wrote:
> I Would be interested in others comments on this as well, I have reasonable
> success with the spellcheck in Outlook 2016 which I understand to be the
> same one as Word 2016 but it does jump between English US and UK and stops
> speech some times which is frustrating.
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Spell Check in MS Word 2016
>
> Hello all- I had the chance to try out a PC with Windows 10 and Ms Word 2016
> and when I tried using the Spell Check feature, which used to be a simple
> task, it was a mess for me. In previous versions I simply pressed F7 and I
> was off going through my doc.  I have not tried using spell check lately so
> can anybody tell me if it has improved in 2016 or which version of Word I
> would need to use to have a working spell check? I do a lot of writing and I
> do not want spell or grammar check while I am writing and want to go back to
> correct and edit later without all sorts of extra options.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Some PDFs do not read properly

[Jim Pursley]

I occasionally experience the run on word issue you seem to be 
describing.  It clears up when you change the reading format to the read 
from the raw print stream option.  Control shift 5 gets you the reading 
format list.  Arrow where you want to go.   Tagged readin format 
sometimes does not behave properly either.


On 5/29/2018 11:02 AM, jmule wrote:

Hi all,


For a while now, I have noticed that some PDFs are not read properly 
by Jaws or NVDA. What happens is that multiple words are read as one 
long word, with no spaces between the words. This is not on all PDFs, 
just some. I have never encountered this problem with PDFs that I have 
created using either MS Word or PDF995. On the PDFs that have a 
problem, I have extracted them to text files and the problem will also 
show up in the text file. Someone had once suggested that the problem 
is related to the original font being used, but that does not make any 
sense. So, Can anyone shed a little light on this problem?



Here is a link to a PDF with the problem I have described (from last 
weeks Top Tech Tidbits newsletter):


http://bit.ly/2GKOuSC 




I am using Windows 7, Jaws 16/NVDA 2018.1 and Acrobat Reader DC 
2018.011.20040.



Thanks,

John



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Skipping through aYouTube video

[Jim Fettgather]

While playing a video, turn off the virtual cursor with insert Z.
Then, use K to pause or play the video, J to rewind, and L to fast forward.

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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Skipping through aYouTube video

Hello all- I have seen that sighted people can skip through a YouTube video
to get to a certain point. When the video is paused I can hear that there is
a type of bar that allows movement through the video. Is there a way that we
can skip through the video? I am using JAWS 15 with Windows 7 64bit.

 

Wayne 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Excel and JAWS 2018 Issue

[Jim Pursley]

I had an issue with Excel 2010 with the latest 2018 build involving 
arrowing up up down and across cells.  I am able to navigate with the 
arrow keys but there's an annoying delay.  Switching to JAWS 18 solves 
the problem  I have word from tech support taht my issue will be fixed 
in the next update expected before the end of May.  Similar issues are 
not exactly comparable of course, but both of our issues involve 
navigating by arrow.


On 5/12/2018 1:14 PM, Gary Ray wrote:

Gary Ray here.

  


A couple of friends of mine are having issues being able to read excel 2016
with a 365 subscription.  They are using JAWS 2018 with latest update. They
have new Lenovo laptops with 1709.

  


They tell me that when they open a spreadsheet, they cannot arrow around to
read cells. In my Excel 2010 using JAWS 2018 with the latest update and
1709, I am having no problems.

  


Can anyone give me any ideas of what to tell them to help them out.

  


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Re: [JAWS-Users] GodMode and Windows 10 Folder Title / Name ReadingProblems

[Jim Fettgather]

I am not sure, I had this exact same issue,  the folder would show up, but not 
have a folder name.
Jaws would read it as 24 of 24,  with no title, but when it was opened, all of 
the control panel items were there.

Maybe it is supposed to be a well kept secret!



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From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 3:20 PM
To: Jaws-Users
Subject: [JAWS-Users] GodMode and Windows 10 Folder Title / Name ReadingProblems

Hi All,

Running Windows 10 Pro latest 1803 & J16 thru J2018 latest.  There's a 
little so called trick you do called GodMode, and what this is, is a folder 
you create using the steps below to put all the Windows control panels 
within a single folder.  First the info, then my problem!

God Mode in Windows 10
Enable God Mode in Windows 10
1. Make sure your system account has administrative privileges
2. Right-click on the Windows 10 desktop and choose New > Folder
3. Name the folder:

GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}

 and hit enter/return to make it stick
You can actually name the folder anything you want like NinjaCat mode. 
Simply replace 'GodMode' before the {} characters to your liking.

My problem:
When I rename this New folder it remains empty / blank!  Jaws will not read 
the folder name / title, and even a sighted person does not see a name / 
title!  But, if you open the folder what ever I've named this folder can be 
read with the, Alt + D, address bar keystroke, and all the Windows control 
panels are there.  Does anyone have any idea why this folder, and only this 
folder, can be named / titled, but not read by a screenreader or by a 
sighted person?

Any and all advice / help will be greatly appreciated and graciously 
accepted!  Thanks mooy moocho.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Copying a Table from an Email to Word

[Jim Pursley]

Can you convert your email format to HTML?  In Thunderbird my emails 
come as HTML instead of plain text so copying is more accurate.


On 4/30/2018 1:55 PM, Brian Lee wrote:

Hello Pam,

There are a couple things you might want to try.

First, instead of using CTRL V to paste the text try pressing the
application key, use down arrow to the paste options menu item.  Use right
arrow and press enter key on the option to keep source formatting.  If that
doesn't work due to your settings in Word or Outlook, try pasting using Alt
with CTRL and V.  In the paste special dialog arrow down and choose to paste
as HTML.

I hope one of these methods work for you.

Take care.

Brian Lee
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Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: April 30, 2018 7:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Copying a Table from an Email to Word

Hi All,

I am trying to copy a large table from an email into a document in Word
2013.  Using JAWS 18, I am copying it with the F8 key, and then pasting it
into Word with control plus v.

My issue is that it is not keeping the table format when it is pasted into
Word.

Does anyone have any other suggestions for how I can keep it formatted as a
table?

Thanks,
Pam



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[JAWS-Users] Fwd: Re: trash in thunderbird

[Jim Pursley]

In the tree view only draft and in boxes show the number of emails they 
hold  I think that is because they are live in memory boxes as opposed 
to storage boxes.  Less memory used that way, I guess  I don't know of 
another way to count trash emails using JAWS or otehrwise..



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Subject:Re: [JAWS-Users] trash in thunderbird
Date:   Fri, 27 Apr 2018 10:07:41 -0400
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I would think it should read the same way it does for the In box,
when you are in the tree-view.

HTH,
Rick Justice

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From: "K M Davis" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 8:55 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] trash in thunderbird


Is there a way to have JAWS read the # of emails in the trashbin?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird and Updates

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Hit t for tools, o for options.  Tab once and go down the tree to 
security (arrow down).  Tab to updates.  Check if you want updates 
automatically. I think the default is yes.


I am using Tbird 52.7, I imagine the latest.

On 4/26/2018 6:28 PM, jerry martin wrote:

Afternoon all.

I was on the menu bar for the current version of thunderbird, and I 
did not find an option for updating the software. Does Mozilla send 
email notices for updates of the software? I am using JAWS 2018 and 
Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Folders in Thunderbird

[Jim Pursley]

When you boot up Thunderbird you should be in the in box..but it won't 
actuate.  Tab once and you will be in the tree view.  Tab twice and you 
will be in the list view of your in box where you can open messages, 
etc.  Use your arrow keys (down arrow probably because the in box is at 
the top of the tree) to find the folder you want and tab once to its 
list view.


On 4/19/2018 4:09 PM, jerry martin wrote:

Afternoon all.

Can anyone instruct me in the procedure for getting to my folders i.e. 
junk, trash, etc.? I am using the current version of Thunderbird, JAWS 
2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks for any assistance.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox reader view

[Jim Pursley]

I have no problem using reader to read New York Times, Washington Post 
and Financial Times articles.  Maybe that's because I maintain a 
subscription to each of them.  All 3 have varieties of pay walls.


By the way , I access reader with alt/control/r.  Alt/control/f does not 
activate for me.  As I recall, the short cut key alt/control/r is listed 
next to the reader view option in the Firefox top line menu.


On 4/11/2018 1:28 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

Don't know what to tell you. I use it all the time when reading articles in the 
New York Times.
Control plus alt plus R is probably my most used Firefox command. I use 
flexible web a lot less because of this.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:25 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox reader view

The New York Times comes to mind right away as a publication where reading view 
doesn't work, and I do have the full articles open. I'll try different websites 
as I encounter them.

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Pursley
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:14 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox reader view

It does seem strange to me taht the reader sometimesfails to read an article 
for me, though I can download the text and read it in the published format.  
The Economist is the only publisher I've encountered which reader does not 
read.  Adrian, what are some publications which don't format in reader for you? 
 Maybe there is a common thread, like a hard pay wall.  For sure, reader does 
not read truncated articles (continued,read more, etc.) for the most part. It 
usually in my experience requires a full article for it to open.

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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox reader view

Reader view will work on almost any article.

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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:30 PM
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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Firefox reader view

Hi, Jim. In your reply to a separate query, you mention the Firefox key combo 
control-alt-r, which I know you've done in the past. However, I can't find my notes on 
that thread. Is this Firefox's "reader view"? I've looked online, but the 
instructions don't seem to work for me. Also, I see an alternative key sequence of alt, 
v, r, but this doesn’t work either.

Would you explain reader view or point to an explanation, and maybe give a link 
to a page where it works?

Here's the webpage of instructions that I found:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-reader-view-clutter-free-
web-pages


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From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On
Behalf Of Jim Pursley
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 6:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Opening a second window in Firefox

I'm not much help here as I don't open new Firefox tabs.  I find that many of 
the sites I use work better with IE11 than Firefox.  My Fidelity Institutional 
site does not work at all with the current (ESL)Firefox version. I have Firefox 
as my default browser, mainly because I really like the alt/control/R function 
reader, which strips out extraneous information and often noxious audio inserts 
from articles I want to read.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox reader view

[Jim Pursley]

I am using Firefox ESL latest.  Reader works fine for me except in rare 
instances - The Economist for example.  I suspect the issue with those 
of you having difficulty may be in the subset of material that you read.


On 4/11/2018 10:12 AM, JM Casey wrote:

It doesn't work for me either, and although I could be wrong, I *think* this is 
because we are both using Firefox 52/ESR. The reader view was a feature 
introduced later; I'm not sure which version. I assume it works well with the 
new Quantum ones, but so far, if you want to use JAWS with those, I guess you 
are still out of luck, and versions between 52 and 57 are not supported by 
Mozilla.

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: April 11, 2018 8:49 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox reader view

Not on the articles I've been reading with Firefox.

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From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:25 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox reader view

Reader view will work on almost any article.

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Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Firefox reader view

Hi, Jim. In your reply to a separate query, you mention the Firefox key combo 
control-alt-r, which I know you've done in the past. However, I can't find my notes on 
that thread. Is this Firefox's "reader view"? I've looked online, but the 
instructions don't seem to work for me. Also, I see an alternative key sequence of alt, 
v, r, but this doesn’t work either.

Would you explain reader view or point to an explanation, and maybe give a link 
to a page where it works?

Here's the webpage of instructions that I found: 
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-reader-view-clutter-free-web-pages


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From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of Jim 
Pursley
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 6:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Opening a second window in Firefox

I'm not much help here as I don't open new Firefox tabs.  I find that many of 
the sites I use work better with IE11 than Firefox.  My Fidelity Institutional 
site does not work at all with the current (ESL)Firefox version. I have Firefox 
as my default browser, mainly because I really like the alt/control/R function 
reader, which strips out extraneous information and often noxious audio inserts 
from articles I want to read.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox reader view

[Jim Pursley]

It does seem strange to me taht the reader sometimesfails to read an 
article for me, though I can download the text and read it in the 
published format.  The Economist is the only publisher I've encountered 
which reader does not read.  Adrian, what are some publications which 
don't format in reader for you?  Maybe there is a common thread, like a 
hard pay wall.  For sure, reader does not read truncated articles 
(continued,read more, etc.) for the most part. It usually in my 
experience requires a full article for it to open.

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From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:25 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox reader view

Reader view will work on almost any article.

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Firefox reader view

Hi, Jim. In your reply to a separate query, you mention the Firefox key combo 
control-alt-r, which I know you've done in the past. However, I can't find my notes on 
that thread. Is this Firefox's "reader view"? I've looked online, but the 
instructions don't seem to work for me. Also, I see an alternative key sequence of alt, 
v, r, but this doesn’t work either.

Would you explain reader view or point to an explanation, and maybe give a link 
to a page where it works?

Here's the webpage of instructions that I found: 
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-reader-view-clutter-free-web-pages


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From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of Jim 
Pursley
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 6:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Opening a second window in Firefox

I'm not much help here as I don't open new Firefox tabs.  I find that many of 
the sites I use work better with IE11 than Firefox.  My Fidelity Institutional 
site does not work at all with the current (ESL)Firefox version. I have Firefox 
as my default browser, mainly because I really like the alt/control/R function 
reader, which strips out extraneous information and often noxious audio inserts 
from articles I want to read.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Opening a second window in Firefox

[Jim Pursley]

I'm not much help here as I don't open new Firefox tabs.  I find that 
many of the sites I use work better with IE11 than Firefox.  My Fidelity 
Institutional site does not work at all with the current (ESL)Firefox 
version. I have Firefox as my default browser, mainly because I really 
like the alt/control/R function reader, which strips out extraneous 
information and often noxious audio inserts from articles I want to read.


On 4/8/2018 6:25 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

Thanks, Jim. That's the answer to the question I asked. But now, when I open a 
new tab, instead of getting just a edit field for the URL, I get a lot of 
information through which I need to arrow up and down. Is that your experience, 
too?

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From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of Jim 
Pursley
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 4:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Opening a second window in Firefox

Hi, Adrian.  Control + N should open a new Window.  Control T opens a new tab.  
Using ESL, latest version of Firefox.

On 4/8/2018 4:01 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

My default browser is IE11. However, I'm having to use Firefox more and more. 
With IE, when I want to open a second window, I press control-t and enter the 
URL. However, although control-t seems to have the same function in Firefox, I 
can't get it to work. Can someone put me straight?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Opening a second window in Firefox

[Jim Pursley]

Hi, Adrian.  Control + N should open a new Window.  Control T opens a 
new tab.  Using ESL, latest version of Firefox.


On 4/8/2018 4:01 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

My default browser is IE11. However, I'm having to use Firefox more and more. 
With IE, when I want to open a second window, I press control-t and enter the 
URL. However, although control-t seems to have the same function in Firefox, I 
can't get it to work. Can someone put me straight?
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[JAWS-Users] test

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and audible.com

[Jim Pursley]

Just hit the library link.  Ignore the pass through key.


On 3/10/2018 1:40 PM, Arianna Calesso wrote:

Is anyone having trouble using the audible.com site?  I just signed up to use 
audible but am having a problem accessing library.  I'm told to use pass key 
through but still can't get into the library.

Can anyone help?

Arianna
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird

[Jim Pursley]

Thunderbird help apparently has a tutorial.  See the google search link 
below.

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp=5siDWsWVHMaKwgSp-4PgDA=Mozilla+thunderbird%2Ctutorial=Mozilla+thunderbird%2Ctutorial_l=psy-ab.3..0l3j0i22i30k1l4.4281.17208.0.17657.46.27.10.6.9.0.335.2509.6j12j1j1.20.00...1c.1.64.psy-ab..10.36.2716...0i22i10i30k1.0.i7EuKPtx2U4

You may want to do the google search yourself given the long link or 
copy it in  www.tinyurl.com or something like it.


Your top line menu has a help section, which I found useful.  You might 
also want to thoroughly familiarize yourself with the Options and 
Account areas of the Tools top line menu.


On 2/13/2018 7:11 PM, music_...@satx.rr.com wrote:

Now for example...how do you get to..inbox..or outbox..or whatever?
and. to reply?
I'd like to find a tutortial on this.
 "HICKS wrote:

You shouldn't really need any, it is a brilliant free application!
The only thing that I haven't been able to work out is how to create message 
rules or filters.


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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird

hi friends. Randy Tijerina here.
are there any scripts for thunderbird?
I got jaws2018.
I'll be heading for Austin  Texas for a few months. Those of you who have had 
to check mail from a web server know how frustrating it is.
May I ask for help to configure it?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Hotkey to get rid of ad on Youtube

[Jim Fettgather]

No hotkey of which I am aware, but you can subscribe to YouTube Red
for $10 a month, and bingo, no more adds!


On 2/13/18, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a hotkey to get rid of the ads in Youtube?
>
> Ed
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows update can't install a certain update

[Jim Pursley]

Adrian..is the update in question already in your system.  I've noticed 
a raft of updates this month - about four of them.  But all installed 
successfully.  In a case such as yours, I'd call Microsoft's 
accessibility line for help.  I have generally found them helpful.  
Sorry for the punt.


On 1/21/2018 1:12 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

Hi. I've been unable to install one of the recent Windows updates on my Windows 
7 machine. The others in that group installed successfully, but this one is a 
holdout. Does anyone have a suggestion? Here's the error message I receive:

Error(s) found:
Code 80073712 Windows Update encountered an unknown error.
Get help with this error

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com and screen readers

[Jim Fettgather]

Here's why I had found that Amazon phone number to be helpful.
For several weeks I had been attempting to purchase a single edition of a 
newspaper  from the site.
The radio buttons were such that they would trigger prematurely, causing me 
to purchase the incorrect edition.
For three weeks, I called that number, requested a refund for having 
purchased the wrong newspaper, explained the problem as best I could, and 
politely suggested, please please, this problem must be fixed.

It was fixed after my repeated phone calls.
Whenever accessibility is broken, This is not an ideal situation, but at 
least they eventually fixed the problem with purchasing single edition 
newspapers.




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Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com and screen readers

If I actually have to call Amazon it isn't accessible.  I feel that way
about any website, if I actually have to call them something is definitely
wrong with the site.  I have never called Amazon for anything in the past at
least 8 years.


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Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 12:17 PM
To: JFW List 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com and screen readers

I found this to be quite interesting and helpful. The Amazon web site
detects if you are using jaws, probably other screen readers as well. Anyway
when it detects jaws a screen overlay is also displayed giving phone number
contact information for people with disabilities.
The other day I needed to call and asked Karen to bring up the page on her I
pad. She told me that there is no such number. I came upstairs and there it
was. She since did a search and learned that it detects screen readers.
What great customer service.

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[JAWS-Users] Why doesn't Edge support visited links?

[Jim Slagle]

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Re: [JAWS-Users] thunderbird

[Jim Pursley]

Leonard nailed it.  Here's a wrinkle.  Just hitting enter defaults each 
addressee as a "to".  If you want an addressee to be a cc or a bcc just 
shift tab from the address line and arrow to the one you want.  I 
usually just enter down until I'm finished with addressees but sometimes 
I want a bcc to keep the addressee hidden from the others.  Bureaucratic 
tricks!


On 1/17/2018 8:14 AM, leonard morris wrote:
Dont' feel too bad because that use to frustrate me also. However, you 
really don't have to use the CC field. When you are on the to field 
put in the names press return until you have finished all the names. 
After that tab down to the subject line and then tab to the body of 
your message. That seems to work for me.



On 1/17/2018 1:24 AM, K M Davis wrote:
I am having a problem utilizing the cc and bc when sending a message 
in thunderbird email.  What are the steps?  I have no issue sending 
an email with only one recipient but when sending to multiple 
addresses it doesn't go to the original recipient, only to the those 
cc'd.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Forcing a form field to open

[Jim Pursley]

Does the form field show up in the form field list ins F5?  If so, hit 
enter on it (twice) and it may open.  Also, alt and the down arrow may 
open it - assuming you can land on the form field.




On 1/16/2018 2:34 PM, George Martinez Sr wrote:

Adrian,
Thanks for the ideas.  I will give them a try & report results.

George A. Martinez, CPA
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F-206.666.2589
C-602.368.5424
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the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it." attributed to
Andy Rooney

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Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 9:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Forcing a form field to open

Hi, George.

I don't have an answer to your specific question, but I do have some
thoughts.

First, once you've opened the page, try F5 to reload it and JAWS key+escape
to refresh. These two steps should ensure the page is stable.

You might also maximize the page with alt-spacebar followed by x.

You mention tabbing to get to the edit field. Tabbing will put you in the
edit field only if you're already in another edit field.

Finally, have you tried accessing the edit fields with another browser? I
was having a similar problem, only the reverse of yours. On a certain
website, I couldn't get into an edit field with IE11, but I could get there
with Chrome.

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Behalf Of George Martinez Sr
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 10:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Forcing a form field to open

Hello all,
I am using windows 10, 1709, JAWS 18 and Chrome.
I have gone to a web site I go to regularly and it normally lands on a
Username field then I go onto Password.
Today it is not in the Username and when I get there it will not accept
input.  I have tried Enter, Tabbing to the next field & Shift tabbing back,
also tried Alt + TAB and no joy on anything.
I also tried Ctrl + INS + HOME with no success.
I seem to remember that there is a JAWS command to force the field to
activate and accept input?  Is there such a command?
Thanks,
  
George A. Martinez, CPA

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

[Jim Pursley]

I recall a response from FS that the "clickable" ghost issue is a known 
item and they're working on a fix.  I've no further information, 
though.  When I switched to Firefox as my default browser about 6 months 
ago when IE insisted on opening pdf's in the browser, the everpresent 
clickable sound was a real nuisance. Now it's just a nuisance.  Humans 
have a wonderful talent for drowning out useless noise so long as it 
does not tweak the emotions.


On 1/10/2018 9:59 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hey everyone.

I know this topic came up here some time ago, but I'm afraid it wasn't
relevant to me at the time and wasn't a thread I took the time to read. So,
sorry for bringing it up again.

  


But yes, I was just wondering about this. I understand that there often *is*
"clickable" text on a webpage, and JAWS is trying to inform me of this fact.
But on many pages, every line will say "clickable", even though there is
nothing to click/nothing happens when you click. Why is this? And can I get
a happy medium somewhere? Obviously I don't want to miss important
information about a page, but when I'm reading a wikipedia article or IMDB
review or something and hear "clickable, clickable, clickable", on what
appears to be static text - that just seems like weird, excessive noise.

  


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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[Jim Pursley]

Indeed.  Firefox/Google captchas use the I am not a robot facility and 
lately when the captcha pops up the x is checked and I get a free pass.  
I am also finding that the audio rendition of the visual captcha is a 
lot more, well, audible, than it used to be.  So some improvement, anyway.


The I phone solution sounds marvelous - expanding the tool kit of 
techniques.


On 1/8/2018 3:13 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

I'm not sure about that, Dave. I was able to install it on Firefox, and it still appears 
in "Tools." However, it's been a very long time since I've encountered CAPTCHA 
and so needed to use Webvisum.

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Of Dave...Oregonian
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 12:08 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Appears that Webvizum is dead.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


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To: 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 08:53
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA


Anybody use web vism?

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 4:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

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Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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Re: [JAWS-Users] VFO's Pearl Camera offer

[Jim Pursley]

Hi, Adrian

I have the Pearl/Open Book combination.  I use the camera for physical 
scanning.  It scans faster than a flat or curved bed scanner but 
scanning books must be done face up, presenting a bit of a problem for 
pressing down securely to get a good scan read.  I resolved the press 
down issue by putting a piece of glass over the book to be scanned and 
pressing down.  Scanning is then pretty comparable to the larger 
flat/curved bed machines.   The camera is mounted on a tripod, which 
folds up for travel.  In all, I'm pleased with the setup.


On 12/16/2017 12:27 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

JAWS 2018 purchasers are being offered a deal on VFO's Pearl Camera. I'd be 
interested in any thoughts on the value of this device. For example, if I'm 
away from my PC, does taking a photo with the Pearl have any use? Also, how 
does the Pearl/JFW compare to the KNFB Reader or any other accessible OCR 
device? Thanks. If I'm not asking the right questions, please ask and answer 
them for me!!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird Keystrokes

[Jim Pursley]

Shift Control L, Adam, goes to the list (look on your top line menu when 
you have a message open.  Scroll over to messages and you'll see these 
options.


On 12/8/2017 10:03 PM, Adam Morris wrote:

Hi Mike and all,

When I use ctrl l the to field is blank.

I heard I think on the thunderbird forum that there is a bug with ctrl l.

When I reply to this message using ctrl r it just goes to Mike.

If I use ctrl shift r it goes to Mike and the list.

I went to the to field and deleted Mike so he doesn't get two copies.



On 09-Dec-17 08:18, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Jim,

Thank you for the correction.  I definitely read that table wrong, & 
Control

+ L is definitely the correct keystroke for replying to the list.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  
In the

end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Jim Pursley
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird Keystrokes


Control R responds to a single user message. Shift Control R responds
to all (the list and the sender in this case) and Control L responds to
the list.

On 12/8/2017 5:37 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi David,

Yes, that would be my guess as well but Thunderbird also has a 
keystroke

for
replying to a list,
Control, Shift, + L

I found this by checking out the URL Hareth posted,

 http://www.shortcutworld.com/en/win/Thunderbird_5.html

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  
In the

end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

- Original Message -
From: David Ferrin
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird Keystrokes


Making an educated guess I believe it would be the reply command not 
the

reply all command.

-Original Message-
From: Mike B.
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 1:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird Keystrokes

Hi Hareth,

What keystroke is used to reply to a message from a group / list 
such as

this one, so the reply only goes to this list & noone else?  I hope I'm
making sense.  Thank you very much for your help.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  
In the

end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Hareth
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird Keystrokes


Hi mike,
its:
Ctrl+R Reply to Message (sender only)
Ctrl+Shift+R Reply to all in Message

you may find this page useful:
http://www.shortcutworld.com/en/win/Thunderbird_5.html

TC

On 12/8/17, Mike B. <mike9...@gmx.com> wrote:

Hi All,

I would like to find out the reply to message only keystroke for 
Jaws &
Thunderbird for a fellow list member.  I have never used 
Thunderbird, so

I'm

not sure, & this will help this member not cross post / get their
messages
moderated wwhenever they reply or post.  Would someone please post the
send,

reply to current message, reply to all, & reply to sender  
keystrokes for
Jaws & Thunderbird?  All help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks 
much.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In
the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird Keystrokes

[Jim Pursley]

Control R responds to a single user message.  Shift Control R responds 
to all (the list and the sender in this case) and Control L responds to 
the list.


On 12/8/2017 5:37 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi David,

Yes, that would be my guess as well but Thunderbird also has a keystroke for
replying to a list,
Control, Shift, + L

I found this by checking out the URL Hareth posted,

http://www.shortcutworld.com/en/win/Thunderbird_5.html

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

- Original Message -
From: David Ferrin
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird Keystrokes


Making an educated guess I believe it would be the reply command not the
reply all command.

-Original Message-
From: Mike B.
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 1:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird Keystrokes

Hi Hareth,

What keystroke is used to reply to a message from a group / list such as
this one, so the reply only goes to this list & noone else?  I hope I'm
making sense.  Thank you very much for your help.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Hareth
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird Keystrokes


Hi mike,
its:
Ctrl+R Reply to Message (sender only)
Ctrl+Shift+R Reply to all in Message

you may find this page useful:
http://www.shortcutworld.com/en/win/Thunderbird_5.html

TC

On 12/8/17, Mike B.  wrote:

Hi All,

I would like to find out the reply to message only keystroke for Jaws &
Thunderbird for a fellow list member.  I have never used Thunderbird, so
I'm

not sure, & this will help this member not cross post / get their messages
moderated wwhenever they reply or post.  Would someone please post the
send,

reply to current message, reply to all, & reply to sender  keystrokes for
Jaws & Thunderbird?  All help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird Keystrokes

[Jim Pursley]

Control r.

On 12/8/2017 10:34 AM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi All,

I would like to find out the reply to message only keystroke for Jaws &
Thunderbird for a fellow list member.  I have never used Thunderbird, so I'm
not sure, & this will help this member not cross post / get their messages
moderated wwhenever they reply or post.  Would someone please post the send,
reply to current message, reply to all, & reply to sender  keystrokes for
Jaws & Thunderbird?  All help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] maximizing a window in IE?

[Jim Pursley]

Try from the desktop clicking on the IE icon, pressing the applications 
key, pressing R for properties and arrowing down toRun.  Tab and arrow 
to maximize.


On 11/15/2017 5:48 PM, Star Gazer wrote:

Hi. How do I minimize or maximize a window on IE using JFW 18.0?
Thank you


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[JAWS-Users] Microsoft Quietly Announces End of Last Free Windows 10 Upgrade Offer - Slashdot

[Jim Slagle]

 
 
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/11/03/1737219/microsoft-quietly-announces-end-of-last-free-windows-10-upgrade-offer
 
 
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[JAWS-Users] We Want More JAWS Webinars!

[Jim Slagle]

The live webinars and their archives are extremely useful. 
The rate of webinar production has been drastically reduced. 
Please give us more, many more, webinars! 
Jim Slagle

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[JAWS-Users] Jaws 2018 and OCR Results

[Jim Fettgather]

Just having installed Jaws 2018, Windows 10 Creators Edition, I had a
problem both with the built in scanning feature, and with an image
based PDF.
Using Insert Space, followed by O, followed by A, the scanner choices
came up, the scanner scanned a page, and the virtual viewer came up on
the screen.
Jaws indicated that the page was right side up.

I was informed that the text was there visually, and the virtual
cursor was active, but Jaws indicated, blank, blank, blank when trying
to read the content.
The exact same thing happened when I requested Jaws to recognize an
image based PDF, the text was apparently visual on screen, but not
read by Jaws using any cursor at all, just blank, blank, blank..
Any suggestions for this strange behavior?
Thanks.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox Quantum is coming, and it doesn't like screen-readers

[Jim Pursley]

The  fs blog is available for
rss subscription.

On 10/26/2017 1:20 PM, Cher Bosch wrote:

I think this is the article you referenced:


This blog post was just sent out by Freedom Scientific. If you use JAWS and
Firefox, you need to read this.

Important information for users of Mozilla Firefox

Jonathan Mosen October 25, 2017 0

Overview

On November 14, Mozilla is expected to release a new version of its Firefox
web browser. Firefox 57 represents such a significant technical and
performance change that it's going to be known as Firefox Quantum. Mozilla
and mainstream reviewers of the beta code agree, the browser is much faster
and more memory efficient.

The reason why mainstream users will see such a significant speed increase
with Firefox Quantum is that it is switching to a multiprocess methodology.
Unfortunately, Mozilla in their switch to multiprocess for Firefox has
chosen an accessibility approach in which each call for JAWS to obtain
information takes orders of magnitude more time.  We are disappointed that
Mozilla has not at this time adopted the highly performant approach that
Google took with Chrome to increase security while at the same time allowing
screen readers to access information at unparalleled speed without needing
to make any changes.

For now, we recommend switching to the Extended Support Release (ESR) of
Firefox as work on the accessibility issues continues, because even when you
are running assistive technology that supports Firefox Quantum, performance
with Firefox will be much worse than you are used to. We're working with
Mozilla to improve the situation and are hopeful of further improvement.

We appreciate that if you're a Firefox user, it's software you are likely to
use many times every day. We want by way of this post to explain the
situation as it currently stands and how we got here, plus what we're doing
about it and steps you can take so that in the short to medium term, you can
use Firefox with the same degree of responsiveness you're used to.

Short-term Work-around

For now, there is a way to avoid upgrading to Firefox Quantum while keeping
your browser updated with important security fixes. You can install Firefox
ESR (Extended Support Release). The Quantum changes are not scheduled to be
rolled out to this release until the second quarter of 2018, by which time
we hope the accessibility situation with Firefox Quantum will have improved.

Compatibility

While we cannot recommend Firefox Quantum at this time, we appreciate that
some people may be curious and want to experiment with it. Firefox Quantum
will not work in any fashion unless you are running the latest versions of
JAWS 2018, JAWS 18, ZoomText 11 and MAGic 14. Previous versions of our
assistive technology are not compatible with Firefox Quantum.

To ensure Quantum will run at all, please ensure you are running the most
current version of the above technologies. Please visit our downloads page
for the latest software.

If going current with your assistive technology isn't possible, the Firefox
ESR release discussed above will continue to work at this time with the
technology you have. This will not always be the case, so if using Firefox
is important to you, you should make plans to bring your technology
up-to-date over the next few months.

When it is installed, Firefox Quantum will be able to detect if older
assistive technology is running that is not compatible. When this is the
case, Firefox Quantum will alert you to this.

Performance

Unfortunately, even if you have an assistive technology product that has
been updated to accommodate Mozilla's new approach, you will notice a
serious deterioration in performance. We would go as far as saying that at
this point, you would not want to use Firefox Quantum for your daily
browsing. Pages will take a long time to load, and navigating pages will be
problematic.

The reason for this is that Firefox's implementation of multiprocess has
caused a marked deterioration in the speed of communication between the
browser and assistive technology.

As our users who browse with Google Chrome, which has been using
multiprocess for some time, can confirm, multiprocess browsers can provide a
highly responsive experience comparable with what Firefox users are
accustomed to, and it is still our hope that Mozilla might adopt a similar
approach.

The problem created by Firefox Quantum is a complex technical one, but we
believe all our users are entitled to an explanation, so here's our best
shot. To give you a browsing experience that is the most flexible available,
as well as being intuitive and accurate, JAWS behaves a bit like an
impatient child on a long car journey. It asks Firefox many questions on a
regular basis, including "are we there yet". In the past, Firefox had no
difficulty answering all our questions quickly and patiently, meaning we
could always give you up-to-the-second information about what was happening
on the web page. For our readers with some 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox Quantum is coming, and it doesn't like screen-readers

[Jim Pursley]

Helpful.  FSBlog a good resource.

On 10/26/2017 4:56 AM, Dennis Long wrote:

This should help.
http://blog.freedomscientific.com/2017/10/25/important-information-for-users
-of-mozilla-firefox/

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:00 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox Quantum is coming, and it doesn't like
screen-readers

Where do I get the ESR extended support?
Justin

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of cheez
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:00 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox Quantum is coming, and it doesn't like
screen-readers

it figures.  Every time you take 3 steps forward, they push you back 2.

Vince

- Original Message -
From: "Joseph Lee" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox Quantum is coming, and it doesn't like
screen-readers



Hi,
And Narrator won't work with it either.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of cheez
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox Quantum is coming, and it doesn't
like screen-readers

You think Windows Narrator will work, since Narrator works with Edge?

Vince

- Original Message -
From: "JM Casey" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:57 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Firefox Quantum is coming, and it doesn't like
screen-readers



So..

Has anyone Hey folks. Haven't seen any discussion about this yet. On
another list, someone posted an article about this, which I cannot
seem to find the URL for, but if people are interested I guess I
could cross-post it. In
brief: Firefox Quantum has a new "multiprocessing" approach that
means it will be twice as fast for everyone else, but it will not
play nicely with JAWS or other screen-readers. We're essentially at
the same stage now (or will be come November) as we are with Edge, in
that it's going to be a work in progress for quite some time, and
from what I've read, it may be difficult to continue implementing the
virtual buffer concept. This is, to me, annoying to say the least, as
I use Firefox all the time and have been really happy with it up til
now. I also think the virutal buffer a great innovation for web
browsing and would hate to give it up, unless a better alternative
was

developed.



Has anyone thoughts on this? I used to laugh at "old people" (in
quotes there, in case you have punctuation set to "some" or "none")
who moaned about things changing too fast and that they couldn't keep
up. Now, at 37, I'm feeling the bite. I'm happy to no longer be using
Windows XP, yet it seems like every month (since getting Windows 10
and JAWS 18 in particular), there's some new thing I have to fix that
wasn't broken before; some time I have to spend figuring a workaround
to one thing or another, or a doomful press release about how I won't
be able to use this-or-that once a certain update happens.



Fortunately, for us Firefox users, I guess we can still install the
ESR (Extended Support Release) of the browser, and get security
updates, without a Quantum upgrade, until sometime in 2018. Guess
I'll be doing that, then!





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Re: [JAWS-Users] adding accent marks with JAWS

[Jim Pursley]

Brilliant, Mike.  The Ins + 4 list is very handy but it does not have 
everything I need for Portuguese, like the circonflex and the tilde (or 
the uncle as they say here).


The Dodgers have turned murder's row from a batting context to a 
pitching context.  They did lose some 40-50 games during the regular 
season but it's hard to grasp when they'll lose their next playoff 
game.  It looks like L.A. and either New York or Houston.  The Yankees 
seem to have a reserve tank, winning when they must  .


On 10/18/2017 8:05 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Vicki,

If you want to add the accented letters manually you can access several from
the symbols list, Insert / Jaws key + 4, on the number row above the main
keyboard.  When you're typing a word & want to insert an accented letter, at
the spot you want to put the letter, open the symbols list, find the letter
/ symbol, & press enter.  Pressing enter on the symbol will put the selected
letter / symbol at the point where the cursor is located.

Here's a list of symbols that can be inserted using the numpad:
Key Commands for Spanish

Keyboard Commands for Accent Marks and Symbols

Make these accent marks and symbols by holding down the "Alt" key (by the
spacebar) and using the keypad at the right of the keyboard. Be sure the
"Num Lock" key/light is on or glowing. (For use in most word processing
applications/programs in Windows)

SPANISH

Alt 130 = é.
Alt 160 = á.
Alt 161 = í.
Alt 162 = ó.
Alt 163 = ú.
Alt 164 = ñ.
Alt 0209 = Ñ.
Alt 144 = É.
Alt 168 = ¿.
Alt 173 = ¡.
Alt 129 = ü.
Alt 148 = ö.

end

French

Windows users - Hold down the Alt key while typing the four digit code to
make special characters. (e.g. Alt+0252 = ü. You may have to use the number
pad to the right of your keyboard.)

Mac Users - Hold down the Option key, and press the character indicated
above, then release the option key and type the letter you need. (i.e.
Option + U [release] + u = ü)

end

GERMAN

Alt 0228 = ä.
Alt 0246 = ö.
Alt 0252 = ü.
Alt 0196 = Ä.
Alt 0124 = Ö.
Alt 0220 = Ü.
Alt 0223 = ß.

end

alt + 0191 ¿.
alt + 0192 À.
alt + 0193 Á.
alt + 0194 Â.
alt + 0195 Ã.
alt + 0196 Ä.
alt + 0197 Å.
alt + 0198 Æ.
alt + 0199 Ç.
alt + 0200 È.
alt + 0201 É.
alt + 0202 Ê.
alt + 0203 Ë.
alt + 0204 Ì.
alt + 0205 Í.
alt + 0206 Î.
alt + 0207 Ï.
alt + 0208 Ð.
alt + 0209 Ñ.
alt + 0210 Ò.
alt + 0211 Ó.
alt + 0212 Ô.
alt + 0213 Õ.
alt + 0214 Ö.
alt + 0215 ×.
alt + 0216 Ø.
alt + 0217 Ù.
alt + 0218 Ú.
alt + 0219 Û.
alt + 0220 Ü.
alt + 0221 Ý.
alt + 0223 ß.
alt + 0224 à.
alt + 0225 á.
alt + 0226 â.
alt + 0227 ã.
alt + 0228 ä.
alt + 0229 å.
alt + 0230 æ.
alt + 0231 ç.
alt + 0232 è.
alt + 0233 é.
alt + 0234 ê.
alt + 0235 ë.
alt + 0236 ì.
alt + 0237 í.
alt + 0238 î.
alt + 0239 ï.
alt + 0240 ð.
alt + 0241 ñ.
alt + 0242 ò.
alt + 0243 ó.
alt + 0244 ô.
alt + 0245 õ.
alt + 0246 ö.
alt + 0247 ÷.
alt + 0248 ø.
alt + 0249 ù.
alt + 0250 ú.
alt + 0251 û.
alt + 0252 ü.
alt + 0253 ý.
alt + 0254 þ.
alt + 0255 is a y with 2 dots above it and Jaws won't read it for some
reason.
Near as I can figure the alt 0255 is called a diæresis, at least according
to my research any way.  This is according to the research of David Ferrin.



Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Vicki W.
To: JAWS
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 2:44 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] adding accent marks with JAWS


Is there a way to have JAWS automatically add accent marks in a foreign
language word when writing in English?

For example, if I were to write the name Therese which is a French name but
I am writing the document in English, can the correct accent marks be either
added or automatically set to add any time I write the name?

If I need to add them manually, how can I locate them on the keyboard? Not
all of them are on the standard typing keyboard.

Hope this makes sense.

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] New JAWS 18 build

[Jim Pursley]

Thank you.

On 10/14/2017 8:19 PM, Eric Damery wrote:

I have been asking that support and Test staff spend more time on Thunderbird. 
Please continue to report your results with specifics on versions installed, 
OS, and exact steps with expected results.

Regards,
Eric Damery


On Oct 14, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Maria Campbell 
> wrote:

Uh huh.


lucky1i...@gmail.com

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On 10/14/2017 1:24 PM, cheez wrote:
Thunderbird wasn't mentioned in the fix.  I don't think there are many that use 
it.

Vince



- Original Message - From: "Maria Campbell" 
>
To: >
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] New JAWS 18 build


Really? And why would that be?


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On 10/11/2017 12:27 AM, cheez wrote:
I don't think they fix was for Thunderbird. Just Outlook.

Vince

- Original Message - From: "Maria Campbell" 
>
To: >
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 3:55 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] New JAWS 18 build


I see this build still did not fix the inability to read the amount of messages 
in Thunderbird folders by pressing insert plus num pad 3.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] making jaws work with thunder bird

[Jim Pursley]

    JAWS works fine for me on all versions of Thunderbird.  There's a 
catch, though.  JAWS 18 is the only version which will read the in box.  
Earlier versions of JAWS won't read the in box.  Google any questions 
you have about Thunderbird and an answer will likely pop up from the 
Thunderbird Forum or Thunderbird help.


On 9/23/2017 11:26 AM, joanne wrote:

My friend uses Jaws but for whatever reason her instructor wants her to learn 
Thunderbird.  The instructor isn't real familiar with Windows and said it 
looked like Jaws can't work with this email program.  He said another 
screenreader would work better but, like me, she wants to use Jaws for 
everything.  Are there scripts needed to make it work better?

Thanks.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] a way to shorten a link

[Jim Pursley]

I think it has to do with wrap around when copying a long link.  Can 
fragment.  I use www.tinyurl.com (which I think is the first of the 
species).


On 9/18/2017 2:00 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hey.
I have known about this for a while but never used it, and to be honest,
never really understood the purpose. Maybe I'm weird but when I see people
post links like this I always get kind of annoyed that I can't immediately
read the actual URL before going to the link. Is there a purpose to this
beyond some vague aesthetics? Something to do with a character limit for
posting, say on Twitter? Just chiming in out of curiosity mostly.



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Behalf Of Valiant8086
Sent: September 18, 2017 12:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] a way to shorten a link

Hi.


Paste the original link into the edit field at http://bit.ly. It'll spit out
a shortened link you can copy and distribute, and when the recipients click
on the shortened link it goes to the original URL. Is this what you're
asking?


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Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community -
http://valiantGalaxy.com;



On 9/18/2017 8:39 AM, james wrote:

is their a way to shorten a link that you are trying to open For
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Re: [JAWS-Users] stopping music

[Jim Pursley]

Here's an interesting workaround possibility.  I've noticed that when an 
add or  music starts from a web page and I switch to Firefox View (alt 
control R) the noise stops.  Fireffox view does not work on web pages 
that have security blocks but it works on the majority of them including 
the NYTimes and the Washington Post.


On 9/12/2017 4:01 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Internet Explorer has an option in its preferences to disable sounds in
webpages. You could also try that. I don't use iE myself anymore and I
haven't found this option in Firefox, but I haven't really looked into it
extensively. Some of these pages that autoplay music have a frame in them
with a series of buttons, including one that lets you stop or pause the
audio. So depending on the page, also try navigating to buttons using "b",
or even using the find feature to look for a word like "stop" sometimes
works.

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Behalf Of Valiant8086
Sent: September 12, 2017 2:46 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] stopping music

Sometimes hitting esc works. If your computer currently supportsx, is not
running the win 10 creaters update, you can make jaws fade away the
background music" pressing insert space, then uh, d?


Cheers:
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On 9/8/2017 2:36 PM, Vicki wrote:

How can I get the music to stop playing on a webpage when I open the page?

Moving away from the page and going back doesn't work.

Thank  you.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] List boxes

[Jim Pursley]

    I ran across the same issue with an audible download list box. Alt 
arrow and arrowing did nothing.  I did not stay with the issue because I 
was not really interested in the list box items and moved on to my 
download. But I too have encountred some hoakey list boxes.  Here's the 
following from a google search, leading me to a document on 
/Geocities.com which discussed JAWS and key strokes.  No date, 
unfortunately.

http://www.geocities.ws/jawsnotes/menus_shortcuts.htm

I have not yet tried the instructions.
Here's the relevant text on list boxes
A list box displays a list of choices in a rectangular box where you 
pick your choice from the list. There are two types, open and drop-down. 
An open list
box automatically displays all choices that will fit the box, while a 
drop-down list box displays one choice, and displays the rest by a 
mouse-user clicking

the list box or its arrow button.

There is probably some useful information in the JAWS Keystrokes list.
Arrow down to activate the list box. Then use up or down arrow to scroll 
through options.  The Home key will move the cursor focus to the first 
item in
the list.  The End key will move the focus to the last item.  Type the 
first letter of an option to move focus directly to it in the drop down 
list.


Spacebar selects an item in a list. When you have selected an item you 
can press INSERT + UP ARROW to read the selected item.


Tab selects the option in the List box which is read by Jaws and moves 
to next option in dialog box.


Ctrl Spacebar Selects another item in the list box in non-continuous 
mode.  The same as pressing Ctrl + left click.  Ctrl down or up arrow 
permits non-continuous
selection of items in a list box.  When used for the first time, the 
item that you move away from stays selected.   Shift down or up arrow 
continuous selection

of items in a list box.



On 9/11/2017 9:11 PM, Pam Mahuika wrote:

They aren't combo boxes and alt down arrow doesn't work on list boxes.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of michaeel's mail
Sent: Tuesday, 12 September 2017 11:52 a.m.
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] List boxes

Try alt plus down arrow on the combo boxes.
That should exspand them.
cheers Michael.

-Original Message-
From: Pam Mahuika
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 9:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] List boxes

Ok These list boxes are on the gmail web site when setting up a new Gmail
account.  They aren't  combo boxes and using arrows doesn't work so any more
suggestions would be appreciated.

Pam Mahuika

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Tuesday, 12 September 2017 11:08 a.m.
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] List boxes

If it is a conbo box, use alt down arrow to open it.  A normal list box
should just be able to be navigated with using the arrow kesy.


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Behalf Of Pam Mahuika
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] List boxes

How how do you navigate list boxes using jfw17 and 18?

Pam Mahuika


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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 2018 and Open Book

[Jim Pursley]

Try this.  In the pdf, hit control P.  A list of printers should come 
up.  Click on the Freedom Printer and an Open Book file will open with 
the pdf in it.  You can then save it to  various places including a Word 
document if you wish.


On 9/4/2017 3:39 PM, wayne smith wrote:

I have seen that printer listed when I go to print a document.  How do I use it 
to read a graphic pdf?

Wayne

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Of Jim Pursley
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 1:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 2018 and Open Book

Agree.  Open Book carries with it a handy "Freedom printer" which is able to 
open a secure graphically sent pdf so that I might read it.
Nothing else works, not even JAWS OCR.  I suppose that I could print to my HP 
printer, too, but I'd be using quite a bit of paper and would need to 
physically  scan each page.  So, Open Book is my buddy.



On 9/4/2017 1:31 PM, Valiant8086 wrote:

Hi.

According to Erik on the latest episode of the FSCast podcast, Open
book is still relevant. It gives you the 3 OCR engines in one package
for better accuracy, an easy to use self voiced interface, ability to
edit recognized content and a whole host of extra goodies enabling you
to really do a number on scanning that document or book and making it
as good as possible. It's for more serious occasions where JAWS
acquire image OCR capability is for the casual user who wants to check
mail or quickly read a book etc. You could of course acquire the text
of an image then copy and paste it out of the results viewer into word
pad or something similar and there's your editing capability. HJ Pad
for that matter.


So said, right now it doesn't sound like VFO is interested in
discontinuing Open Book in favor of using that OCR which is included
in JAWS.


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On 8/31/2017 5:58 PM, Blackwell, Clifford wrote:

Does anyone know if with the inclusion of the scanning features in
JAWS 2018 if VFO is intending to end support or development of Open
Book?  It has been quite a while since there were any
updates/improvements to Open Book and this new feature set would seem
to indicate a lack of interest in maintaining Open Book as a separate
product line.

If that is the case, does anyone know what OCR programs are being
used in JAWS 2018 to perform the recognition and will there be ways
to "tweek" the performance as there is in Open Book?

It's an interesting release and future developments will be interesting.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 2018 and Open Book

[Jim Pursley]

Agree.  Open Book carries with it a handy "Freedom printer" which is 
able to open a secure graphically sent pdf so that I might read it. 
Nothing else works, not even JAWS OCR.  I suppose that I could print to 
my HP printer, too, but I'd be using quite a bit of paper and would need 
to physically  scan each page.  So, Open Book is my buddy.




On 9/4/2017 1:31 PM, Valiant8086 wrote:

Hi.

According to Erik on the latest episode of the FSCast podcast, Open 
book is still relevant. It gives you the 3 OCR engines in one package 
for better accuracy, an easy to use self voiced interface, ability to 
edit recognized content and a whole host of extra goodies enabling you 
to really do a number on scanning that document or book and making it 
as good as possible. It's for more serious occasions where JAWS 
acquire image OCR capability is for the casual user who wants to check 
mail or quickly read a book etc. You could of course acquire the text 
of an image then copy and paste it out of the results viewer into word 
pad or something similar and there's your editing capability. HJ Pad 
for that matter.



So said, right now it doesn't sound like VFO is interested in 
discontinuing Open Book in favor of using that OCR which is included 
in JAWS.



Cheers:
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Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - 
http://valiantGalaxy.com;




On 8/31/2017 5:58 PM, Blackwell, Clifford wrote:
Does anyone know if with the inclusion of the scanning features in 
JAWS 2018 if VFO is intending to end support or development of Open 
Book?  It has been quite a while since there were any 
updates/improvements to Open Book and this new feature set would seem 
to indicate a lack of interest in maintaining Open Book as a separate 
product line.


If that is the case, does anyone know what OCR programs are being 
used in JAWS 2018 to perform the recognition and will there be ways 
to "tweek" the performance as there is in Open Book?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 2018

[Jim Pursley]

Sure.  Just keep JAWS 18 on your system, access via short cut key, close 
one and open the other.  You can't have both open at the same time.


On 8/31/2017 10:25 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:

I have a question about it?

Am I able to switch between jaws 18 and jaws 2018?

-Original Message- From: Dennis Long
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:49 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 2018

You can't make it  magically appear now? :)

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Behalf Of Eric Damery
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 2018

It will magically appear on Thursday, 8/31 at 10:00 AM Eastern Time. You
will find it at www.freedomscientific.com under the "News" heading.

Regards,
Eric

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727-803-8001 edam...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com


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Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 4:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 2018

The fscast stated that the beta of 2018 should be available about the 
time
of the podcast.  I have been unable to find the beta file to 
download.  Does

anyone have any idea where I can find this download?

Danny
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[JAWS-Users] Quick JAWS restart

[Jim Pursley]

Someone, I think Maria Campbell, gave the list keystrokes for quickly 
starting JAWS after it goes silent.  Possible to provide again?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox issue - sometimes links and buttons don't actuate

[Jim Pursley]

No, I don't use the No Scripts add on.

I'll pull together a couple of sites on which at least some links did 
not work, but have no time right now.  Thanks, all, for the response.  
As Christopher Robin said, Backson.


On 8/22/2017 8:26 PM, net bat66 wrote:

are you useing a add on called no script or simular?
many web pages use scripts for there links and controls. with the no 
script add on it will prevent many links and buttons from activateing 
unless you disable the scripts for virtually every web page you go to.


-Original Message- From: Jim Pursley
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Firefox issue - sometimes links and buttons 
don't actuate


Using Firefos 53, Win7 and JaWS 18 I'moccasionally (a lot more than I'd
like) experiencing buttons and links not actuating when I press the
various mouse substitutes available with JAWS. Sometimes these links
work from the links and buttons lists, sometimes not.  Most of the time
the links and buttons work on IE 11.    Anyone with insight on resolving
my issue other than to change browsers?



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

Hi Dave, you are wrong, I never said a blind person must use the Jaws virtual 
ribbons. They can use them or not use them, this is a personal choice. However, 
in my opinion, I think they would benefit, from using the Jaws virtual ribbons. 
You are the only person being dogmatic about not using the Jaws virtual 
ribbons. Let all members try using or not using the Jaws virtual ribbons for 
themselves. Quit putting words in my mouth. I said, in my humble opinion, I 
think new Jaws users would benefit from using the Jaws virtual ribbons and its 
simple layout, in all the office 365 products. So, seems to be your way or the 
highway. Why don't you give the virtual ribbons a try yourself? Smiles.

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Of Dave ...
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Rose,

Agree completely. It's fine for folks to tell of their experience with a 
particular feature, but to insist that a particular method is best for a blind 
person seems to be dogmatic.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


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From: <rosecomb...@cox.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:36
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


I am not sighted either, however, not being able to avail myself of
frequently used shortcut keys I have known since Word 97 is the reason I
turn off or never turn on this Jaws Feature.  Your mileage may vary which is
why I suggest anyone interested try each and do what feels best to them.
For newbies they are probably just made to order, but for me and many like
me, not having the ability to use key commands we have used from Word 97
forward is a definite disadvantage.

Individuals need to make informed choices and choose options to their
tastes, to tell them they must use something or cannot use something else
when Jaws has so many options seems counterproductive.  I turn off keyboard
echo when typing, have for years, and using Word echo drives me crazy also
but I'd never tell anyone out there they needed to work the same way I work.
I am totally annoyed with a new version of Jaws when it is set at defaults
to hear space every time I space, it is one of the first keys I mute even if
I switch the keyboard echo off.  However, I hate hearing the space, and I
turn off echo because it does not keep up with my typing speed but I'd never
tell any of you to work the same way I work.

Same goes for the ribbons issues, try working both ways if interested and
decide which works for you, not your mate, not your coworker but for you.


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Behalf Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can
see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where
you worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to
patiently say is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work
environment, I believe it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons
and the new tell me feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016
products work well with Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind
computer user, why not take advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I
am not sited, so why should I put to my memory, all the various office
shortcut keystrokes for using word, outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds
like a lot of extra work, that a blind user of office should not have to add
to the learning of how to use W-10 with Jaws. I did try that method for a
few years, but I did not like it. No hard feelings, we are just having a
friendly discussion on whether to use the
  Jaws virtual ribbons or not. No shame in using the Jaws virtual ribbons.
Just call me lazy, only so much room in this Pinhead of mine! LOL. No, I
don't believe the moderators will get upset, if we keep this topic as a
friendly discussion. I think it will benefit the group. Let me say, I meant
no disrespect to your views on not using the virtual ribbons in Jaws. So,
thanks and smiles for your friendly discussion on this topic.

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[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

Hi, Jim.

The reason I don't try the JAWS virtual ribbon is the one I gave you before.
To quote that part of my post: This is one area, however, where I believe
JAWS users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new
users 

[JAWS-Users] Firefox issue - sometimes links and buttons don't actuate

[Jim Pursley]

Using Firefos 53, Win7 and JaWS 18 I'moccasionally (a lot more than I'd 
like) experiencing buttons and links not actuating when I press the 
various mouse substitutes available with JAWS. Sometimes these links 
work from the links and buttons lists, sometimes not.  Most of the time 
the links and buttons work on IE 11.    Anyone with insight on resolving 
my issue other than to change browsers?


--

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Chief Investment Officer
Gaia Capital Management
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can 
see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where you 
worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to patiently say 
is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work environment, I believe 
it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons and the new tell me 
feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016 products work well with 
Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind computer user, why not take 
advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I am not sited, so why should I 
put to my memory, all the various office shortcut keystrokes for using word, 
outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds like a lot of extra work, that a blind 
user of office should not have to add to the learning of how to use W-10 with 
Jaws. I did try that method for a few years, but I did not like it. No hard 
feelings, we are just having a friendly discussion on whether to use the
  Jaws virtual ribbons or not. No shame in using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Just 
call me lazy, only so much room in this Pinhead of mine! LOL. No, I don't 
believe the moderators will get upset, if we keep this topic as a friendly 
discussion. I think it will benefit the group. Let me say, I meant no 
disrespect to your views on not using the virtual ribbons in Jaws. So, thanks 
and smiles for your friendly discussion on this topic.

-Original Message-From: JAWS-Users-List 
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, Jim.

The reason I don't try the JAWS virtual ribbon is the one I gave you before. To 
quote that part of my post: This is one area, however, where I believe JAWS 
users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new users 
need to know that this choice exists. I quickly became comfortable with the MS 
ribbons, as others on this list have. If they were too difficult, then I, too, 
would use the virtual ribbon. But since we have a true choice here, the 
question becomes whether I choose a method everyone else in the world uses or 
the one that only a few can.

I'll elaborate. I used to supervise a consumer protection mediation program 
where all my staff was sighted. As many middle-age people find, college 
students handle technology much more naturally than I did. If I had a problem 
using MS Word or some other application, one or other of my student interns 
would have an answer for me right away. If I'd been using the JAWS virtual 
ribbon, they could have given me no help. Besides, there were times when I knew 
how to solve a Word or other tech problem that no one else did, which helped 
ensure that I kept interacting with my staff on an even playing field. If I'd 
been using the JAWS virtual cursor, I would have been out of that loop.

So what I mean by a "philosophical" choice is that I chose interaction with the 
sighted world over the seemingly simpler JAWS virtual ribbon. As I wrote 
before, I would have used the JAWS virtual ribbon if the MS ribbons had been 
inaccessible, but they're extremely easy to use, thanks in large part to 
shortcuts, the applications key and the key tips. 

I hope this answers your question once and for all. I don't want to test our 
moderators' patience over a non-technical JAWS question.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

OK, just wondering, you say, I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual 
ribbon. So how do you know how the Jaws virtual ribbons work with the office 
365 products? I am not trying to start trouble, I am just curious as to your 
strong response against not using the Jaws virtual ribbons, if you have not 
tried using them. Again, I am speaking through experience from using the Jaws 
virtual ribbons with office 365 on a W-10 computer, running the Creators update 
with the latest Jaws 18 version. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, LeDon. If you use any Office application, such as Word or Outlook, chances 
are you already use the Microsoft ribbons and that you use  a number  of 
shortcuts. The thread is about the JAWS virtual cursor, which FS created in an 
attempt to simplify how visually impaired computer users manage these 
applications. I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual ribbon. If 
you're looking for information about that, listers 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

OK, just wondering, you say, I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual 
ribbon. So how do you know how the Jaws virtual ribbons work with the office 
365 products? I am not trying to start trouble, I am just curious as to your 
strong response against not using the Jaws virtual ribbons, if you have not 
tried using them. Again, I am speaking through experience from using the Jaws 
virtual ribbons with office 365 on a W-10 computer, running the Creators update 
with the latest Jaws 18 version. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, LeDon. If you use any Office application, such as Word or Outlook, chances 
are you already use the Microsoft ribbons and that you use  a number  of 
shortcuts. The thread is about the JAWS virtual cursor, which FS created in an 
attempt to simplify how visually impaired computer users manage these 
applications. I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual ribbon. If 
you're looking for information about that, listers who do use it will need to 
respond to your query. Note that the JAWS virtual ribbon prevents you from 
using shortcuts and first-letter navigation.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of LeDon
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

OK, I must confess, I have not followed this thread. So I am not a power user. 
I am wondering, how do you get to the ribbon? How do I learn the short cuts and 
hints you speak of? 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, Laura.

Rose previously posted a message that was critical of the JAWS virtual ribbon 
that I agree with. For one thing, it prevents you from using familiar 
shortcuts. In a bigger picture sense that might or might not matter to you, 
avoiding the regular Microsoft ribbon will make it more difficult to get 
sighted assistance, since they won't know anything about the JAWS virtual 
ribbon. For this and other reasons, I prefer to use the MS ribbons.

Each of us has a different way of learning the MS ribbons. Whenever possible, I 
will use a shortcut instead of delving into the ribbon. For example, I'll press 
control-d to get to the font dialog rather than go hunting for it in the 
ribbon. 

Another way of getting around the ribbons is to use the applications key, 
between the right Windows and control keys on most keyboards. This is where I 
go for the dialog that takes you through line-spacing, margins, etc. 

But then there are the times when you must use the ribbon. Here, you may find 
yourself remembering what are called key tips. For example, when I want to 
place the page number at a certain point on a page (top left, top middle, 
etc.), I press the following keys: alt+n together for "insert," and then n, u 
in quick succession. I'm immediately in the right dialog. 

When you explore the MS ribbons, listen carefully for these key tips. I find 
they aren't always easy to hear, but usually I can make them out. The example I 
just gave will be verbalized when you go through the "insert" part of the 
ribbon.

I'm not pretending to give you an exhaustive explanation of the MS ribbons, but 
I hope it might help you think about how to approach them. Shortcuts, 
applications key, key tips, in that order of simplicity. When I first faced the 
MS ribbons, I was intimidated. I shouldn't have been. Just learn what you need 
as the need arises. And never hesitate to post questions here.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hello,

 

When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner.
I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to 
learn how to navigate these ribbons.

 

Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more 
efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off?  I want and need to learn 
as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

Laura

  

 

 

   

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

Yes, I agree, thanks.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Vicki
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:14 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

I've followed this thread for awhile and I'm wondering why people don't just 
try it both ways and see what works best for them.

Some people, for whatever reason, age, time, ability to learn new things, etc., 
have trouble learning new things.

Others, however, learn quickly and love the challenge of learning anything and 
everything that is released in the latest technology, no matter what it is.

For me, I love trying new things but I don't always have the time right away 
and simply put it off until I do have the time. My mom, who is in her 80's, 
won't even touch a computer, while my neighbor, in her 90's, takes on the 
challenge of just about anything.

Vicki

- Original Message -
From: "David Ferrin" <ow...@jaws-users.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


> Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth 
> more or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach.
>
> -----Original Message- 
> From: Jim Flusche
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..
>
> No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we 
> should use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have 
> given their opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have 
> given good directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws 
> virtual ribbons activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special 
> keystrokes for word 2016, when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual 
> ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how this makes life much easier with using Word, 
> outlook, and excel. Again, I am not demanding from anyone that they must 
> do it this way. Each of us can decide for ourselves weather we use the 
> Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not single me out and say my 
> opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are all entitled to give 
> our own opinions out on this group unless things have changed that I am 
> not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
> Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..
>
> Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you 
> posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here 
> explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on 
> how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all.
> Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's 
> new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier 
> because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, 
> whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to 
> everyone and be part of the whole wide world.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dave ...
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..
>
> Adrian,
>
> I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the 
> keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said 
> "expanded".
> In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine 
> disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this
> Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled?
>
> Dave
> Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com>
> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..
>
>
> Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say.
> I've never done it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
> Behalf Of Laura Richardson
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

No problem, we all use whatever Jaws settings works best for us. No right or 
wrong answer in what option we choose to use with Jaws. In my opinion, I 
recommend using the Jaws virtual ribbons. I say this after using and testing 
the Jaws virtual ribbons for many years with the Microsoft products. Just my 
two cents worth! Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Jim, I carefully said "I think" you're wrong when saying the virtual cursor is 
easier. You're a valuable contributor to this list, and I've made notes from a 
number of your contributions. ON this particular issue, I disagree, and I 
explained why. I didn't do so out of disrespect or even to cause controversy, 
which is draining. This is one area, however, where I believe JAWS users have 
both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new users need to know 
that this choice exists. I quickly became comfortable with the MS ribbons, as 
others on this list have. If they were too difficult, then I, too, would use 
the virtual ribbon. But since we have a true choice here, the question becomes 
whether I choose a method everyone else in the world uses or the one that only 
a few can. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Thanks David, I like that, it takes all of us and our opinion working together 
to finish the beach. Thanks, and smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth more 
or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach.

-Original Message-----
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we should 
use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have given their 
opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have given good 
directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws virtual ribbons 
activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special keystrokes for word 2016, 
when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how 
this makes life much easier with using Word, outlook, and excel. Again, I am 
not demanding from anyone that they must do it this way. Each of us can decide 
for ourselves weather we use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not 
single me out and say my opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are 
all entitled to give our own opinions out on this group unless things have 
changed that I am not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you 
posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains 
it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid 
yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all.
Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new 
posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because 
shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever 
possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part 
of the whole wide world.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Adrian,

I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. 
It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded".
In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled 
in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this
Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Adrian Spratt&q

Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

Well I have been using the Jaws virtual ribbons for years now. I am using 
office 365, Freedom Scientific does a great job in keeping up with all the 
automatic updates in all the Microsoft products with Jaws. Any Jaws user is not 
missing out on anything by using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Again, this is just 
my opinion through much time in testing the Microsoft products with the Jaws 
virtual ribbons. They work great with Jaws. Thanks, and smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

That makes sense to me. As far as I understand the functioning of the virtual 
ribbons, too (someone correct me though if I am wrong), JAWS may not be keeping 
up with the frequent Windows 10 updates, so there's a chance you could actually 
lose functionality or miss out on features if you use these.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

For what it is worth I myself have never tried them at all because it occurred 
to me that it would not be moving forward with the learning curve that is 
Windows.

In other words how could you help somebody with such an animal IE ribbons in 
windows if you don't try them out for yourself?

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you 
posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains 
it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid 
yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all.
Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new 
posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because 
shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever 
possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part 
of the whole wide world.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Adrian,

I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. 
It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded".
In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled 
in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this
Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Adrian Spratt" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say.
I've never done it.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon?

Laura


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on 
them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use 
first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle 
down and just learn to use the ribbons.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Laura Richardson" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Hello,



When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner.
I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to 
learn how to navigate these ribbons.



Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more 
efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off?  I want and need to learn 
as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly 

[JAWS-Users] Thanks to a member for using the Taskbar in W-10 with Jaws

[Jim Flusche]

Hi group, I want to thank David Bailes, for reminding me about using first 
letter navigation in the taskbar of W-10 with Jaws, in his taskbar 10 guide. 
After pressing Windows key+T, just press the first letter of any pinned item to 
the taskbar to quickly jump to that item on the taskbar, and just press enter 
to open that taskbar item. I appreciate the time it took you David to write 
this guide. Thanks for reminding me about using first letter navigation with 
Jaws on the taskbar in W-10. God bless and smiles.


Your humble Pinhead!
Owner of the Windows 10 and Jaws group!

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

Thanks David, I like that, it takes all of us and our opinion working together 
to finish the beach. Thanks, and smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth more 
or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we should 
use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have given their 
opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have given good 
directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws virtual ribbons 
activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special keystrokes for word 2016, 
when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how 
this makes life much easier with using Word, outlook, and excel. Again, I am 
not demanding from anyone that they must do it this way. Each of us can decide 
for ourselves weather we use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not 
single me out and say my opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are 
all entitled to give our own opinions out on this group unless things have 
changed that I am not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you 
posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains 
it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid 
yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all.
Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new 
posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because 
shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever 
possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part 
of the whole wide world.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Adrian,

I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. 
It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded".
In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled 
in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this
Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say.
I've never done it.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon?

Laura


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on 
them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use 
first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle 
down and just learn to use the ribbons.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Hello,



When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner.
I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to 
learn how to navigate these ribbons.

Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

Hi Dave, I am sure we have all been wrong more than one time on any group. Just 
because you quit using the jaws virtual ribbons years ago, does not mean others 
cannot try them out for themselves. LOL. Yes, we are all entitled to give out 
our own opinions on the best ways of Using Jaws. Now if I am wrong about this 
may David F. correct me. But I think this is correct and OK for all of us to 
give out our own opinion here on the Jaws users list. I always try to find the 
easiest and simplest ways to use W-10 with Jaws. Thanks, and Smiles. Again, 
just my two cents worth, do whatever your heart desires.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Moi? Well, then either that was the one and only time I've been wrong, or as 
you say, things have changed. Take your pick.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Adrian Spratt" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:02
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you 
posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains 
it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid 
yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all.
Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new 
posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier 
because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, 
whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone 
and be part of the whole wide world.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Adrian,

I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the 
keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded".
In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine 
disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this
Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Adrian Spratt" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say.
I've never done it.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon?

Laura


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent
on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't
use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to
buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Laura Richardson" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Hello,



When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner.
I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to
learn how to navigate these ribbons.



Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more
efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off?  I want and need to
learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly
appreciated.



Thanks in advance,

Laura









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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we should 
use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have given their 
opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have given good 
directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws virtual ribbons 
activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special keystrokes for word 2016, 
when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how 
this makes life much easier with using Word, outlook, and excel. Again, I am 
not demanding from anyone that they must do it this way. Each of us can decide 
for ourselves weather we use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not 
single me out and say my opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are 
all entitled to give our own opinions out on this group unless things have 
changed that I am not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you 
posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains 
it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid 
yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. 
Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new 
posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because 
shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever 
possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part 
of the whole wide world. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Adrian,

I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. 
It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". 
In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled 
in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this 
Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. 
I've never done it.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon?

Laura


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on 
them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use 
first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle 
down and just learn to use the ribbons.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Hello,



When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner.
I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to 
learn how to navigate these ribbons.



Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more 
efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off?  I want and need to 
learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly 
appreciated.



Thanks in advance,

Laura









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[JAWS-Users] Using Word 2016 with Jaws

[Jim Flusche]

Hi Jaws users group. The following lesson for Using Word 2016 with Jaws 
includes the directions for how to use the Jaws virtual ribbons in word 2016, I 
hope this helps all of you.
Using Word 2016 with Jaws
This is a text tutorial, provided freely by The W-10 and Jaws group, anyone may 
freely share this file.
Author: Jim Flusche

This lesson is now updated to the W-10 Creators update.
**This lesson is on, Using Word 2016 with Jaws 18.
Some things have now changed in the Word 2016 options.
*For example, Office 365 now supports the use of office sounds in the office 
products.
If you wish to turn on the office sounds in your office 365 subscription, do 
the following.
1. Open word 2016.
2. Either press Enter on the blank document button, or press the Escape key to 
open a blank document, or if you are not using the Word start screen, you are 
already placed in a blank document.
*Tip, using Jaws, you may need to tab and shift+Tab again to see the blank 
document button on the start screen of Word 2016.
3. Press ALT+F, followed by pressing the letter T, opens word options.
4. Down arrow and highlight Ease of Access.
5. Tab to, Provide feedback with sound checkbox, press the Spacebar to check.
6. Tab again to, Provide feedback with animation check box not checked, if you 
have some site, you may still leave this checked I believe.
7. Tab to the OK button, press Enter.
8. You will now have office sounds for Word, Outlook, Excel and other Microsoft 
products.
*Tip, You will also see under the Ease of Access, Show the Start screen when 
this application starts check box checked, press the Spacebar to uncheck this 
if you do not wish to see the start screen when you open word 2016.
*Tip, when you first open word 2016 using the Start screen, just tab one time 
to see a list of all your word documents.
*Tip, if you decide not to use the Start screen, you will already be in a blank 
document.

*After pressing Enter on the Word 2016 icon, you land on a Start screen page.
*You will hear such items, as the following items as you use all four of the 
ArrowKeys on the new Start Screen in Word 2016, which is a grid.
Single spaced (blank) Button
Pin status: unpinned.
Crisp and clean resume, designed by MOO Button
Pin status: unpinned.
Polished cover letter, designed by MOO Button
Pin status: unpinned.
Spec design (blank) Button
Pin status: unpinned.
APA style report (6th edition) Button
Pin status: unpinned.
Event menu Button
Pin status: unpinned.
Personal letterhead Button
Pin status: unpinned.
Thank you cards Button
Pin status: unpinned.
Summer event flyer Button
Pin status: unpinned.
Blank document Button
Welcome to Word Button
Pin status: pinned.
**To open a blank document from the Start screen, press the Escape key.
**Or you can just press Enter, on the Blank document Button.
**On the Start screen, You can also Tab one time to see all your recent 
documents, use the Up and Down arrow keys to highlight a document, press Enter 
to open that selected document.
*Tip, you must check this checkbox in recent documents in word options first.
Check the following settings in Word 2016 options.
Press ALT+F, for file menu, followed by the letter T, for Word 2016 options.
Down arrow to the Advanced Tab, Tab many times to the following setting.
Show this number of Recent Documents edit spin box, 50.
Tab again to, Quickly access this number of Recent Documents check box checked.
Use the arrow key to change the numberr of recent documents Spin box, to show 
more or less items, and make sure the quickly access this number of recent 
documents check box is checked.
Tab to the OK button, press Enter.
Now the next time you open Word 2016, just Tab one time to the list of your 
recent documents.
**Press the Applications key on a selected document in your recent document 
list, you have many options, such as, pin the document, remove the document 
from the list, and other options.
*Tip, you can turn off this Start screen in the Word 2016 options page, under 
General options, or you can turn the start screen on/off now in Ease of Access.
To do this, press ALT+F, followed by the letter T.
Jaws incorrectly lands on Display the second item below General options, press 
the UpArrow one time to highlight General options.
Tab many times to, Show the Start screen when Word 2016 opens, this is a 
checkbox, if it is checked, the Start screen will show up when you open Word 
2016.
This Start screen is a cool new feature, to look at a lot of options for 
opening different documents formats.
If you find an item you like, you can pin that item to a list here on the Start 
screen, of Word 2016.
For example:
1. I highlighted, Single space blank button.
2. I pressed the Applications key.
3. I arrowed down to, Pin to list, press Enter.
**So now when I open Word 2016, using the Start screen.
I can just press Enter on, the Blank document Button, which is already 
highlighted, with Jaws you may need to press  Taband shift+tab  to highlight 
the blank document

Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

Hi Laura, I would not turn off the use virtual ribbons in Jaws if I were you. 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon?

Laura


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on 
them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use 
first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle 
down and just learn to use the ribbons.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Laura Richardson" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Hello,



When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner.
I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to 
learn how to navigate these ribbons.



Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more 
efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off?  I want and need to learn 
as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated.



Thanks in advance,

Laura









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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

I disagree, I would not tell new Jaws users to turn off the virtual ribbons in 
the jaws settings. You said you have not used them for years. Using the Jaws 
virtual ribbons makes the task of using the ribbons for word and outlook 2016 
so much easier. Also, the addition of the tell me feature, also helps to find 
what you are looking for much easier.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on 
them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use 
first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle 
down and just learn to use the ribbons.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Laura Richardson" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Hello,



When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner.
I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to
learn how to navigate these ribbons.



Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more
efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off?  I want and need to
learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly
appreciated.



Thanks in advance,

Laura









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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

Hi Laura, you did not say what version of word you are using. Yes, you should 
use the use virtual ribbons setting in Jaws. This makes getting around the 
ribbons in word and outlook much easier. I wrote this short lesson for using 
Word 2016 with Jaws below.
Using Word 2016 with Jaws
This is a text tutorial, provided freely by The W-10 and Jaws group, anyone may 
freely share this file.
Author: Jim Flusche

This lesson is now updated to the W-10 Creators update.
**This lesson is on, Using Word 2016 with Jaws 18.
Some things have now changed in the Word 2016 options.
*For example, Office 365 now supports the use of office sounds in the office 
products.
If you wish to turn on the office sounds in your office 365 subscription, do 
the following.
1. Open word 2016.
2. Either press Enter on the blank document button, or press the Escape key to 
open a blank document, or if you are not using the Word start screen, you are 
already placed in a blank document.
*Tip, using Jaws, you may need to tab and shift+Tab again to see the blank 
document button on the start screen of Word 2016.
3. Press ALT+F, followed by pressing the letter T, opens word options.
4. Down arrow and highlight Ease of Access.
5. Tab to, Provide feedback with sound checkbox, press the Spacebar to check.
6. Tab again to, Provide feedback with animation check box not checked, if you 
have some site, you may still leave this checked I believe.
7. Tab to the OK button, press Enter.
8. You will now have office sounds for Word, Outlook, Excel and other Microsoft 
products.
*Tip, You will also see under the Ease of Access, Show the Start screen when 
this application starts check box checked, press the Spacebar to uncheck this 
if you do not wish to see the start screen when you open word 2016.
*Tip, when you first open word 2016 using the Start screen, just tab one time 
to see a list of all your word documents.
*Tip, if you decide not to use the Start screen, you will already be in a blank 
document.

*After pressing Enter on the Word 2016 icon, you land on a Start screen page.
*You will hear such items, as the following items as you use all four of the 
ArrowKeys on the new Start Screen in Word 2016, which is a grid.
Single spaced (blank) Button 
Pin status: unpinned.
Crisp and clean resume, designed by MOO Button 
Pin status: unpinned.
Polished cover letter, designed by MOO Button 
Pin status: unpinned.
Spec design (blank) Button 
Pin status: unpinned.
APA style report (6th edition) Button 
Pin status: unpinned.
Event menu Button 
Pin status: unpinned.
Personal letterhead Button 
Pin status: unpinned.
Thank you cards Button 
Pin status: unpinned.
Summer event flyer Button 
Pin status: unpinned.
Blank document Button 
Welcome to Word Button 
Pin status: pinned.
**To open a blank document from the Start screen, press the Escape key.
**Or you can just press Enter, on the Blank document Button.
**On the Start screen, You can also Tab one time to see all your recent 
documents, use the Up and Down arrow keys to highlight a document, press Enter 
to open that selected document.
*Tip, you must check this checkbox in recent documents in word options first.
Check the following settings in Word 2016 options.
Press ALT+F, for file menu, followed by the letter T, for Word 2016 options.
Down arrow to the Advanced Tab, Tab many times to the following setting.
Show this number of Recent Documents edit spin box, 50.
Tab again to, Quickly access this number of Recent Documents check box checked.
Use the arrow key to change the numberr of recent documents Spin box, to show 
more or less items, and make sure the quickly access this number of recent 
documents check box is checked.
Tab to the OK button, press Enter.
Now the next time you open Word 2016, just Tab one time to the list of your 
recent documents.
**Press the Applications key on a selected document in your recent document 
list, you have many options, such as, pin the document, remove the document 
from the list, and other options.
*Tip, you can turn off this Start screen in the Word 2016 options page, under 
General options, or you can turn the start screen on/off now in Ease of Access.
To do this, press ALT+F, followed by the letter T.
Jaws incorrectly lands on Display the second item below General options, press 
the UpArrow one time to highlight General options.
Tab many times to, Show the Start screen when Word 2016 opens, this is a 
checkbox, if it is checked, the Start screen will show up when you open Word 
2016.
This Start screen is a cool new feature, to look at a lot of options for 
opening different documents formats.
If you find an item you like, you can pin that item to a list here on the Start 
screen, of Word 2016.
For example:
1. I highlighted, Single space blank button.
2. I pressed the Applications key.
3. I arrowed down to, Pin to list, press Enter.
**So now when I open Word 2016, using the Start screen.
I can just press Enter on, the Blank document Button, which is already

Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Pursley]

To zap the JAWS virtual ribbons option press ins and j.  Ah and arrow 
down to JAWS setup wizard Alt N to the third screen.  arrow down to turn 
on virtual ribbons and uncheck the box.  You can always recheck  the box 
if you wish.


On 8/20/2017 11:28 AM, Laura Richardson wrote:

Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon?

Laura


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent
on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't
use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to
buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Laura Richardson" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Hello,



When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner.
I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to
learn how to navigate these ribbons.



Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more
efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off?  I want and need to
learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly
appreciated.



Thanks in advance,

Laura









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Re: [JAWS-Users] getting office sounds for office 365

[Jim Flusche]

May be the old standalone office sounds is blocking the new included office 
sounds from working in office 365. Give Microsoft support a phone call to make 
sure of the correct steps to take to resolve this issue. I am sure the answer 
is simple. Because you do see the Ease of Access options in word 2016, you 
should be getting the office sounds. So, give them a call for help with this 
issue. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Fernando Gregoire
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 9:30 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] getting office sounds for office 365

Hi Jim,

Unfortunately, these Microsoft instructions aren't working for me as right as 
it should.
I have both 32 and 64-bit Office versions on different machines, and both were 
running the old Office Sounds add-in which users had to download and install 
manually.
While in 32-bit the update worked fine when it rolled to me, it is not the case 
on 64-bit, where sounds simply stopped working. Although I now have the Ease of 
Access options category on 64-bit and the Provide Feedback with Sound option 
which previously was in Advanced, the sounds simply don't work, and there's no 
combobox to choose a sound scheme. Office sound events in Windows Sounds 
Control Panel applet still remain, but they don't produce any sound.
Should I remove the add-in and run an Office online repair, or do you think 
there's a better alternative to test first?

Thanks in advance!

2017-08-17 14:35 GMT-03:00 Jim Flusche <pinhead2...@outlook.com>:

> This getting office sounds for office 365, is simply fantastic and 
> very easy to do.
> Now all subscribers to office 365 will eventually get the update for 
> office sounds as the update rolls out to all office 365 subscribers.
> *Tip, How to turn the office sounds on in office 365.
> 1. Open word 2016.
> 2. Press ALT+F, followed by pressing the letter T, opens word options.
> 3. Down arrow and highlight Ease of Access.
> 4. Tab to, Provide feedback with sound checkbox, press the Spacebar to 
> check.
> 5. Tab again to, Provide feedback with animation check box not 
> checked, if you have some site, you may still leave this checked I believe.
> 6. Tab to the OK button, press Enter.
> 7. You will now have office sounds for Word, Outlook, Excel and other 
> Microsoft products.
> Read the Microsoft article below for more information about sounds for 
> office 365.
>
> Getting started with Office Sounds
> This article region
> Applies To: Excel 2016Word 2016Outlook 2016PowerPoint 2016 This 
> article region end article Sound effects can enhance your productivity 
> in Microsoft Office by providing audio cues. For example, a sound cue 
> might notify you when options on the screen change. Or, a sound can 
> confirm that an action (such as send a mail, delete something, or 
> paste content) actually completed.
>
> Important: New Office 365 features are released gradually to Office 
> 365 subscribers, so your app might not have these features yet. To 
> learn how you could get new features faster, visit When do I get the 
> newest features in Office 2016 for Office 365?.
>
> Turn sound effects on or off
>
> Important: When you select or clear the Provide feedback with sound 
> check box, the setting affects all Microsoft Office programs that 
> support this option.
>
>
> list of 3 items
> 1.  In the File menu, select Options.
>
> 2.  On the Ease of Access tab, under Feedback Options, select or clear 
> the Provide feedback with sound checkbox.
>
> 3.  If you wish, you can use the original Office sound effects by 
> selecting the Classic theme from the Sound Theme drop-down.
> list end
>
> Turn sound effects on or off with the keyboard list of 3 items 1.  
> ?Navigate to the File menu, then select Options. You can use the 
> access keys Alt, then F, T.
>
> 2.  ?Once in the Options window, use the arrow keys to highlight Ease 
> of Access.
>
> 3.  ?Press Tab to move to the Provide feedback with sound checkbox, 
> then press Enter to select or clear the checkbox, which turns the 
> sounds on or off, respectively.
> list end.
>
> Your humble Pinhead!
> Owner of the Windows 10 and Jaws group!
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] getting office sounds for office 365

[Jim Flusche]

Works with all office 365 subscriptions.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] getting office sounds for office 365

Jim:

Will this work with Windows 7?

I currently have an office 365 subscription, and am looking forward to these 
new features.

Tom behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] getting office sounds for office 365

This getting office sounds for office 365, is simply fantastic and very easy to 
do.
Now all subscribers to office 365 will eventually get the update for office 
sounds as the update rolls out to all office 365 subscribers.
*Tip, How to turn the office sounds on in office 365.
1. Open word 2016.
2. Press ALT+F, followed by pressing the letter T, opens word options.
3. Down arrow and highlight Ease of Access.
4. Tab to, Provide feedback with sound checkbox, press the Spacebar to check.
5. Tab again to, Provide feedback with animation check box not checked, if you 
have some site, you may still leave this checked I believe.
6. Tab to the OK button, press Enter.
7. You will now have office sounds for Word, Outlook, Excel and other Microsoft 
products.
Read the Microsoft article below for more information about sounds for office 
365.

Getting started with Office Sounds
This article region
Applies To: Excel 2016Word 2016Outlook 2016PowerPoint 2016 This article region 
end article Sound effects can enhance your productivity in Microsoft Office by 
providing audio cues. For example, a sound cue might notify you when options on 
the screen change. Or, a sound can confirm that an action (such as send a mail, 
delete something, or paste content) actually completed.

Important: New Office 365 features are released gradually to Office 365 
subscribers, so your app might not have these features yet. To learn how you 
could get new features faster, visit When do I get the newest features in 
Office 2016 for Office 365?.

Turn sound effects on or off

Important: When you select or clear the Provide feedback with sound check box, 
the setting affects all Microsoft Office programs that support this option.


list of 3 items
1.  In the File menu, select Options.

2.  On the Ease of Access tab, under Feedback Options, select or clear the 
Provide feedback with sound checkbox.

3.  If you wish, you can use the original Office sound effects by selecting the 
Classic theme from the Sound Theme drop-down.
list end

Turn sound effects on or off with the keyboard list of 3 items 1.  ?Navigate to 
the File menu, then select Options. You can use the access keys Alt, then F, T.

2.  ?Once in the Options window, use the arrow keys to highlight Ease of Access.

3.  ?Press Tab to move to the Provide feedback with sound checkbox, then press 
Enter to select or clear the checkbox, which turns the sounds on or off, 
respectively.
list end.

Your humble Pinhead!
Owner of the Windows 10 and Jaws group!

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[JAWS-Users] getting office sounds for office 365

[Jim Flusche]

This getting office sounds for office 365, is simply fantastic and very easy to 
do.
Now all subscribers to office 365 will eventually get the update for office 
sounds as the update rolls out to all office 365 subscribers.
*Tip, How to turn the office sounds on in office 365.
1. Open word 2016.
2. Press ALT+F, followed by pressing the letter T, opens word options.
3. Down arrow and highlight Ease of Access.
4. Tab to, Provide feedback with sound checkbox, press the Spacebar to check.
5. Tab again to, Provide feedback with animation check box not checked, if you 
have some site, you may still leave this checked I believe.
6. Tab to the OK button, press Enter.
7. You will now have office sounds for Word, Outlook, Excel and other Microsoft 
products.
Read the Microsoft article below for more information about sounds for office 
365.

Getting started with Office Sounds
This article region
Applies To: Excel 2016Word 2016Outlook 2016PowerPoint 2016
This article region end
article
Sound effects can enhance your productivity in Microsoft Office by providing 
audio cues. For example, a sound cue might notify you when options on the
screen change. Or, a sound can confirm that an action (such as send a mail, 
delete something, or paste content) actually completed.

Important: New Office 365 features are released gradually to Office 365 
subscribers, so your app might not have these features yet. To learn how you 
could
get new features faster, visit
When do I get the newest features in Office 2016 for Office 365?.

Turn sound effects on or off

Important: When you select or clear the Provide feedback with sound check box, 
the setting affects all Microsoft Office programs that support this option.


list of 3 items
1.  In the File menu, select Options.

2.  On the Ease of Access tab, under Feedback Options, select or clear the 
Provide feedback with sound checkbox.

3.  If you wish, you can use the original Office sound effects by selecting the 
Classic theme from the Sound Theme drop-down.
list end

Turn sound effects on or off with the keyboard
list of 3 items
1.  ?Navigate to the File menu, then select Options. You can use the access 
keys Alt, then F, T.

2.  ?Once in the Options window, use the arrow keys to highlight Ease of Access.

3.  ?Press Tab to move to the Provide feedback with sound checkbox, then press 
Enter to select or clear the checkbox, which turns the sounds on or off,
respectively.
list end.

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Owner of the Windows 10 and Jaws group!

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Re: [JAWS-Users] excel reading headers.

[Jim Pursley]

The simplest way to mark row and column headers for JAWS reading is not, 
however, always a permanent one.  The process I use is so simple and 
quick that it's OK if I occasionally need to restate them.


Press the JAWS key (insert) but first make sure it's a sticky key so 
that it will stay actuated while you press other keys.  Then hold down 
the alt and control keys while pressing r, then c.  R marks the row 
headers and C marks column headers.  Before you press the short cut keys 
though you need to move the virtual cursor (speaking JAWS) to the 
intersection of rows and columns that you want to speak. Note you may 
mark either R, C or both as you need.  JAWS will speak the header as you 
cross it.


On 8/15/2017 2:52 AM, Micallef Michael at FITA wrote:

Dear jaws Users,

I'm just new user of Jaws, and previously I was using Window-Eyes. So Far So 
good, I manage to learn to use the most basic things in Jaws, but one thing is 
still give me hassle to learn how to do it, and this is how to setup Jaws to 
read the excel headers. I followed the manual but I manage to succeed once, but 
from then onwards I never to succeed to setup jaws to read excel headers.  And 
another point the manual sometimes make it difficult to understand every step, 
so it is possible that I'm missing something here. So can someone do me a great 
faviour and send me step by step instructions how I supposedly should program 
Jaws to read these excel headers.

Thanks in advance,
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Changing to Windows 10

[Jim Flusche]

Yes, but using Jaws 18 is better.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Pam Mahuika
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 10:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Changing to Windows 10

I have just purchased a new laptop and want to know if these instructions
will work using jfw17?

Kind regards
Pam Mahuika

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Monday, 14 August 2017 3:25 a.m.
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Changing to Windows 10

Yes, read the below guide for how to set up and customize W-10 with Jaws.
This will give you most of what you need to know. The following instructions
are for the W-10 creators update with Jaws.

Windows 10 and Jaws, Creators  update complete guide.
This is a text tutorial, provided freely by The W-10 and Jaws group, this
guide may be freely shared with anyone.
Author: Jim Flusche

This guide is now updated to the latest Creators update for W-10, using Jaws
18.

General Overview, Customizing, Navigation, and learning about w-10 with
Jaws.

Here is a Complete Index of this guide and what it covers.
All sections start with , that is four *'s in a row.
Important reminders.
Section, Cortana and search settings.
Section, Customizing Windows 10 with Jaws.
Setting default programs in w-10.
Changing your folder options, now called File Explorer Options, in w-10.
How to Turn off the background apps in w-10.
How to change how Windows updates are delivered.
Pinned Tiles list box.
All Apps list box.
How to put the, This PC, Icon on the Desktop.
How to put a shortcut to your user folders, on the Desktop.
Making Program shortcut Icons, on your Desktop.
How to put a shortcut, for iE on your Desktop and Taskbar.
Miscellaneous.
Making your W-10 desktop look like W-7.
The Notification area and the Notification Chevron button.
Tip for navigating the W-10 desktop:
W-10 Context Menu.
How to pin, Apps or pin Programs to the pinned Tiles list box, of the
Start area or to the Taskbar.
How to create a Desktop shortcut for a program in the All Apps list box.
How to uninstall Apps and Programs in W-10.
The Power button in the Start area of W-10.
Customizing the Start Area in W-10 with Jaws.
Personalizing the Start Area in W-10.
The all Apps list box.
The Power button under the Start list box, under the Start button area
of W-10.
Maintenance tips for Windows 10 with Jaws.
Using Quick Access in Windows 10 with Jaws
So, how do I set my W-10 computer to open using File explorer Quick
access.
How to pin items to Quick Access:
How to pin, This PC to Quick access.
How to pin Quick Access to the Start area.
How to create a desktop icon, for all the W-10 built-in app
How to update all your W-10 apps at one time.
Two ways of doing a Jaws repair on your W-10 computer.
Device Manager.
Devices and Printers.
Using and setting up OneDrive on your computer.
How to do a System Restore in W-10 with Jaws.
How to read or listen to bookshare books with F S Reader 2.0 and 3.0.


Important reminders.
*A Change to starting Narrator, Press Control+Windows+Enter, to turn/off
narrator in the Creators update.
There have been changes to how we use the Settings area, in the Creators
update to W-10.
After pressing Windows key+I, you now land in the search edit box of the
settings area.
With Jaws 18, just start typing an item you are looking for, press the Down
arrow key to hear the results.
After pressing Windows+I, Just tab one time to the main list of 11
categories.
Again after pressing enter on one of the 11 main categories, you land on the
search edit box, just tab one time to the list of sub-categories, for that
selected main category.
Remember the first sub-category is already highlighted for you, just begin
tabbing across the tab controls.
*Tip, always press the Insert+Tab keys, to make Jaws speak just the tab
control and its current setting.
*Tip, you can press Shift+PC curser to turn on the touch curser while in the
settings area, pressing the PC curser two times quickly turns the PC curser
back on.
*Remember, From the list of sub-categories, if you down arrow past the first
item, to any other sub-category, you must press the enter key first, to
highlight that sub-category, before you can begin tabbing across the tab
controls for that sub-category.
More reminders:
The Start button area.
After pressing the Windows key or pressing enter on the Start button.
1. You will land in the search edit box.
Just begin typing what you are looking for, use the arrow keys to find it,
press enter to open it.
2. Tab one time to,the Start list box, you will hear, Toggle Start
navigation menu items 1 of 6.
*Here you will find your account picture, folder shortcuts

Re: [JAWS-Users] One Drive

[Jim Flusche]

Hi Tom, these instructions should work the same way for W-7.
How to set up and use the OneDrive back up for yourself and how to share a 
folder with others.
*for windows 10, Open your personal folder link under the start area if you 
have it set up that way, go down to OneDrive, press enter.
*do this in Windows 7: Or, type OneDrive into the search edit box, press enter 
on OneDrive desktop app.
Or, if OneDrive is on your Taskbar, press enter on it there, or press  its 
shortcut keystroke windows key+the number of its order on the Taskbar.
*do this in windows 10, Or, press the windows key, up or down arrow to, All 
apps, press enter.
Press the letter O, down arrow to one drive, press the enter key, press enter 
on OneDrive.
Now you will be in a list of default OneDrive folders, that you can use, or you 
can create your own folders in OneDrive.
In this example, I will create my own folder under the main default folder list 
of OneDrive.
While you are in the list of default folders under the main OneDrive folder 
list.
1. Press Control+shift+N, for new folder.
2. In this example, I will type the name, "Jaws users", then press enter to 
create this new folder.
3. Copy the files or folders you wish to back-up, and paste them into this new 
Jaws Users folder.
Do the same thing if you wish to share this folder with others by a OneDrive 
link , copy and paste any files into this new folder to share them with others.
Now we need to sink our OneDrive folders if you wish too, you do not have to 
sink your OneDrive folders if you do not want too.
4. Highlight the new folder, in my case, Jaws users, do not press enter.
5. Press the applications key, down arrow to, Choose OneDrive folders to sink, 
press enter.
6. Now, you can choose a check-box to sink all folders.
Or, uncheck this, tab to the list view of folders, only check the folders you 
wish to sink to your computer by pressing the Spacebar on each folder.
After checking all the folders you wish to sink, tab to OK, press enter.
Now, How to share this new OneDrive folder and its contents, with others 
through a OneDrive link.
7. Now, highlight your new folder, in my case, Jaws users, do not press enter.
8. Press the Applications key, go down to, Share a OneDrive link, press enter.
By pressing Enter, This automatically pastes, a OneDrive link to this folder, 
that you can share with others, into the clipboard.
9. Now, open an email to the person you wish to give access to this OneDrive 
folder and all its content, in my case the Jaws users list.
10. Paste the OneDrive link into the email, this will give that person a link 
to access the folder you are sharing with them.
What does it mean to sink your OneDrive folders?
When you choose to sink your OneDrive folders on your computer.
You have a mirror copy of these files online, on your OneDrive page.
You also place a mirror copy of these files in your OneDrive folder on your 
computer.
Now, the advantage of doing it this way is:
When you are inside the OneDrive folder and inside a text file in one of your 
shared folders, for example.
Whatever changes you make to that text document on your computer, are 
automatically changed in the text document stored in OneDrive on line.
Can I use the default folders of OneDrive, to place my audio or text files into 
for back up, or for sharing with others?
Yes, you can use them the same way, as I explained above.
OneDrive is a cool and easy way, to share large audio or text files with others.
Microsoft gives each person a free 5 GB's of storage space on OneDrive.
*Tip, when you sink folders, you are taking up room in your OneDrive folder, 
what ever the size of the one drive folder on line is also taking up room on 
your C: drive as a mirror copy.
I am currently sharing two OneDrive links to two different folders on my 
OneDrive on my computer, with no issues.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 7:57 PM
To: 'Jaws users list' 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] One Drive

Hello, everyone.

 

I am looking for an easy-to-use program with which I can share files that are 
too large to send to people via normal e-mail.

 

I have had some very limited success with Dropbox, but someone has just 
suggested that I try One Drive, which I should have access to since I purchase 
an annual subscription to the Microsoft Office 365 suite of products.

 

Does anyone have some Jaws-friendly instructions for locating, and setting up 
one-drive, as well as  for easily transferring files to another person using 
that program?

 

Thank you!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Changing to Windows 10

[Jim Flusche]

Yes, read the below guide for how to set up and customize W-10 with Jaws. This 
will give you most of what you need to know. The following instructions are for 
the W-10 creators update with Jaws.

Windows 10 and Jaws, Creators  update complete guide.
This is a text tutorial, provided freely by The W-10 and Jaws group, this guide 
may be freely shared with anyone.
Author: Jim Flusche

This guide is now updated to the latest Creators update for W-10, using Jaws 18.

General Overview, Customizing, Navigation, and learning about w-10 with Jaws.

Here is a Complete Index of this guide and what it covers.
All sections start with , that is four *'s in a row.
Important reminders.
Section, Cortana and search settings.
Section, Customizing Windows 10 with Jaws.
Setting default programs in w-10.
Changing your folder options, now called File Explorer Options, in w-10.
How to Turn off the background apps in w-10.
How to change how Windows updates are delivered.
Pinned Tiles list box.
All Apps list box.
How to put the, This PC, Icon on the Desktop.
How to put a shortcut to your user folders, on the Desktop.
Making Program shortcut Icons, on your Desktop.
How to put a shortcut, for iE on your Desktop and Taskbar.
Miscellaneous.
Making your W-10 desktop look like W-7.
The Notification area and the Notification Chevron button.
Tip for navigating the W-10 desktop:
W-10 Context Menu.
How to pin, Apps or pin Programs to the pinned Tiles list box, of the Start 
area or to the Taskbar.
How to create a Desktop shortcut for a program in the All Apps list box.
How to uninstall Apps and Programs in W-10.
The Power button in the Start area of W-10.
Customizing the Start Area in W-10 with Jaws.
Personalizing the Start Area in W-10.
The all Apps list box.
The Power button under the Start list box, under the Start button area of 
W-10.
Maintenance tips for Windows 10 with Jaws.
Using Quick Access in Windows 10 with Jaws
So, how do I set my W-10 computer to open using File explorer Quick access.
How to pin items to Quick Access:
How to pin, This PC to Quick access.
How to pin Quick Access to the Start area.
How to create a desktop icon, for all the W-10 built-in app
How to update all your W-10 apps at one time.
Two ways of doing a Jaws repair on your W-10 computer.
Device Manager.
Devices and Printers.
Using and setting up OneDrive on your computer.
How to do a System Restore in W-10 with Jaws.
How to read or listen to bookshare books with F S Reader 2.0 and 3.0.


Important reminders.
*A Change to starting Narrator, Press Control+Windows+Enter, to turn/off 
narrator in the Creators update.
There have been changes to how we use the Settings area, in the Creators update 
to W-10.
After pressing Windows key+I, you now land in the search edit box of the 
settings area.
With Jaws 18, just start typing an item you are looking for, press the Down 
arrow key to hear the results.
After pressing Windows+I, Just tab one time to the main list of 11 categories.
Again after pressing enter on one of the 11 main categories, you land on the 
search edit box, just tab one time to the list of sub-categories, for that 
selected main category.
Remember the first sub-category is already highlighted for you, just begin 
tabbing across the tab controls.
*Tip, always press the Insert+Tab keys, to make Jaws speak just the tab control 
and its current setting.
*Tip, you can press Shift+PC curser to turn on the touch curser while in the 
settings area, pressing the PC curser two times quickly turns the PC curser 
back on.
*Remember, From the list of sub-categories, if you down arrow past the first 
item, to any other sub-category, you must press the enter key first, to 
highlight that sub-category, before you can begin tabbing across the tab 
controls for that sub-category.
More reminders:
The Start button area.
After pressing the Windows key or pressing enter on the Start button.
1. You will land in the search edit box.
Just begin typing what you are looking for, use the arrow keys to find it, 
press enter to open it.
2. Tab one time to,the Start list box, you will hear, Toggle Start navigation 
menu items 1 of 6.
*Here you will find your account picture, folder shortcuts, and the power 
button, go to Settings/personalization/ press enter on Start, to ajust the 
start area.
3. Tab a second time to, All Apps list box.
This is a list of all the apps and programs on your computer.
*Tip, after pressing the Windows key, or pressing Enter on the start button, 
press either the up/down arrow to open the All apps list box.
*while in the All apps list box, Press enter on any collapsed folder, to expand 
that folders content, press enter again to collapsed that folder.
First letter navigation works, you must have an app or program starting with 
that letter.
4. Tab a third time to, Pinned tiles list

Re: [JAWS-Users] Guide to the taskbar for Windows 10 creators update

[Jim Flusche]

Hi David, thanks for all your good work. I will share the link to this post 
with my group as well. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Bailes
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 10:05 AM
To: Jaws Users 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Guide to the taskbar for Windows 10 creators update

I've revised my guide to the Taskbar on Windows 10 for the creators update.
As before, it covers the Start menu, search, Cortana, the taskbar buttons, the 
notification area, and notifications. It is available here:
http://vip.chowo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/jaws/Taskbar-10-Guide.html

If I've got anything wrong, please let me know, David.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS & Fix It

[Jim Pursley]

Yep.  VFO ran a repair for me too yesterday using the method Adrian 
listed.  Happy camper.


On 8/8/2017 4:31 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Robin,

Read what's below & give it a try, it works well:

From: Adrian Spratt
Hi. I'm writing to explain the new JAWS repair method I learned today from
VFO. Previously, I'd taken the file of the currently running JAWS build, put
it in the C drive, copied the exact wording into a Windows run dialog, etc.
this procedure failed twice for me today. VFO seems to know about this
because when I called, they had me follow the procedure I'll detail below,
and it worked. I don't know why it is different, but somehow it is. So, here
goes.

First, make sure you have the .exe file on your system for the JAWS build
you're running. You can download it from the FS/VFO website.

Unlike before, it doesn't seem to matter where you keep it on your system.

Close all running apps.

Highlight the JAWS .exe file.

Press shift-F10.

Arrow up to "Copy as path." Press enter.

Open the run dialog with Windows key-r.

Press control-v, then spacebar, then / (the forward slash key), then the
word "type", spacebar, and then the word "repair."

Let me try that command line a different way. After pressing control-v
followed by the spacebar, continue with /type repair

Then press enter.

The process went more smoothly than any JAWS repair I can remember, and it
went all the way to the end.

I hope this is useful.
Adrian
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Robin
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:12 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS & Fix It


To Whom It May Concern:

Can someone, who is Knowledgeable as it pertains to The Steps
associated with Fixingg JAWS, Please provide me with The Steps?

I need The Steps to Fix My Copies of JAWS (JAWS14) & JAWS (JAWS15) on
My Windows7 PC. My JAWS14 & JAWS15 became Corrupt when I accidently
UpDated My JAWS16 WithOut activating JAWS16 & I was using JAWS14 at
the Time of the UpDate.

Your assistance is Very Much & Greatly appreciated!


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/




--

James C. Pursley
Chief Investment Officer
Gaia Capital Management
Underpinned by sustainably growing cash dividends from quality
 companies, we seek long term client account growth

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

[JAWS-Users] Issue with Thunderbird latest and pdfs resident on the web

[Jim Pursley]

I'm getting a buffering effect on Thunderbird when I scroll the inbox 
and write messages after reading pdf's resident on the internet - but 
not after reading pdf's which come as email attachments.  The key 
response delay happens intermittently, but often enough to be a bother 
until I reboot Windows and Tbird returns to its happy normal self.  
Windows task manager shows no untoward processes running, so I should 
have plenty of processing memory.


Running JAWS 18 latest build, Win7 and Firefox latest.  IE11 insists on 
opening pdf's in the browser no matter what I attempted (even looking 
for the add on to turn off)


FS email tech support suggests uninstalling JAWS 18 and reinstalling it, 
but I'm skeptical that it would accomplish anything.


Anyone else with this issue?

--

James C. Pursley
Chief Investment Officer
Gaia Capital Management
Underpinned by sustainably growing cash dividends from quality
 companies, we seek long term client account growth

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] Thanks for all your prayers

[Jim Flusche]

Amen. Thanks. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Cathy
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Thanks for all your prayers

Jim,

You will be in my prayers. I do believe that God, being our Creator, can do 
miracles. Hold tightly to His Hand.
I'd like to share something I read this evening, which ministered to me. 
Hope it will to you, too.

Looking to the Lord

As for me, I look to the LORD for help. I wait confidently for God to save me. 
Micah 7:7


Wait, with confidence.

Standing In The Gap,

Cathy Harris



- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Flusche" <pinhead2...@outlook.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Thanks for all your prayers


Thanks, before David and the moderators pop me upside my bald pinhead, let 
me change the subject line. Smiles. I thank all of you for your prayers as I 
continue to battle my bladder cancer. I had two cancer tumors removed last 
year from my bladder, but one has now returned this year. So I am in the 
hands of God. I have no worries, I am totally in his hand and will except 
his sovereign will for my future. So let me thank all of you again for your 
support and prayers for my health situation. My wife and  I, appreciate them 
very much. Smiles.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 2:44 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Hi Jim,
I shall be remembering you too, and hope that Wednesday will prove a day of 
good news.
All the best,
Takis

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of andy t
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 11:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Yes and I believe he can do that and you are in my prayers.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 3:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Thanks Andy, yes the bladder cancer is out of my control. But thank God I 
know the great physician who is able to heal my body and soul according to 
his will!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of andy t
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 2:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Hello Jim we will just have to make it go back where it came from and that 
is the devil's house you know his three purposes for us and that is to kill 
steal and destroy but like I always say, one of these days I will have the 
last laugh.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 12:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Just pin Jaws to the taskbar, press the windows key+ the number row number 
in order that Jaws is pinned to the taskbar. For example on my computer, 
pressing Windows key+8, starts Jaws 18 every time. Smiles. I desire all your 
prayers here on the Jaws users list. My bladder cancer has come back. I will 
find out more on Wednesday of this week. So please remember me. God bless 
and smiles.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:26 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Actually, my JAWS shortcut keeps disappearing. It's easy enough to fix, but 
puzzling.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 7:25 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Wow, that hot key really wasn't there. Thanks so much. I just did it. I was 
so sure I'd set it up but I think it was with old directions for an old 
version of Jaws.

Miriam

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 4:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Hi Miriam,
Do you have the shortcut setup for your Jaws? Here are the steps to do that.
1. Press windows + M to go to your desktop.
2. Press the letter J until you hear Jaws 18.
3. Press the application key and arrow up one time and press enter on 
properties.
4. Tab two  times and you should hear short cut key. If it says none then 
press the letter J
  If it says shortcut key ctrl+alt+J then just press the escape key.
6. Now tab until you hear ok, then press enter. Another dialog box may come 
up just

Re: [JAWS-Users] Thanks for all your prayers

[Jim Flusche]

Thanks David, I do appreciate all the prayers of the Jaws members on this list 
and on my group. Thank you all very much for caring. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 5:42 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Thanks for all your prayers

No worries mate.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 12:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Thanks for all your prayers

Thanks, before David and the moderators pop me upside my bald pinhead, let me 
change the subject line. Smiles. I thank all of you for your prayers as I 
continue to battle my bladder cancer. I had two cancer tumors removed last year 
from my bladder, but one has now returned this year. So I am in the hands of 
God. I have no worries, I am totally in his hand and will except his sovereign 
will for my future. So let me thank all of you again for your support and 
prayers for my health situation. My wife and  I, appreciate them very much. 
Smiles.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 2:44 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Hi Jim,
I shall be remembering you too, and hope that Wednesday will prove a day of 
good news.
All the best,
Takis

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of andy t
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 11:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Yes and I believe he can do that and you are in my prayers.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 3:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Thanks Andy, yes the bladder cancer is out of my control. But thank God I know 
the great physician who is able to heal my body and soul according to his will!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of andy t
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 2:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Hello Jim we will just have to make it go back where it came from and that is 
the devil's house you know his three purposes for us and that is to kill steal 
and destroy but like I always say, one of these days I will have the last laugh.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 12:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Just pin Jaws to the taskbar, press the windows key+ the number row number in 
order that Jaws is pinned to the taskbar. For example on my computer, pressing 
Windows key+8, starts Jaws 18 every time. Smiles. I desire all your prayers 
here on the Jaws users list. My bladder cancer has come back. I will find out 
more on Wednesday of this week. So please remember me. God bless and smiles.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:26 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Actually, my JAWS shortcut keeps disappearing. It's easy enough to fix, but 
puzzling.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 7:25 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Wow, that hot key really wasn't there. Thanks so much. I just did it. I was so 
sure I'd set it up but I think it was with old directions for an old version of 
Jaws.

Miriam

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 4:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Hi Miriam,
Do you have the shortcut setup for your Jaws? Here are the steps to do that.
1. Press windows + M to go to your desktop.
2. Press the letter J until you hear Jaws 18.
3. Press the application key and arrow up one time and press enter on 
properties.
4. Tab two  times and you should hear short cut key. If it says none then press 
the letter J
  If it says shortcut key ctrl+alt+J then just press the escape key.
6. Now tab until you hear ok, then press enter. Another dialog box may come up 
just press yes or continue then you should be done.

Now you should have a shortcut key so when you press ctrl+alt+J it should start 
Jaws. Now if you use the other hotkey that now should work.
Mr. Ed
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Miriam

Re: [JAWS-Users] Thanks for all your prayers

[Jim Flusche]

Thanks, yes I do pray for all of you. Yes I agree with keeping group subject 
lines matching the body of group emails. As a group owner myself, I stress this 
on my goup as well. Yes, using any version of Jaws we can read God's wonderful 
word. Have a great day! Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of wayne smith
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 12:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Thanks for all your prayers

Jim, thank you for your example of faith and trust in God and we will keep 
praying for you as I am sure that you pray for us.  As far as the moderators 
go, some have expressed their love of ice cream so I am guessing that there is 
some flexibility.  Can God be accessed through JAWS 15?

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 11:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Thanks for all your prayers

Thanks, before David and the moderators pop me upside my bald pinhead, let me 
change the subject line. Smiles. I thank all of you for your prayers as I 
continue to battle my bladder cancer. I had two cancer tumors removed last year 
from my bladder, but one has now returned this year. So I am in the hands of 
God. I have no worries, I am totally in his hand and will except his sovereign 
will for my future. So let me thank all of you again for your support and 
prayers for my health situation. My wife and  I, appreciate them very much. 
Smiles.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 2:44 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Hi Jim,
I shall be remembering you too, and hope that Wednesday will prove a day of 
good news.
All the best,
Takis

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of andy t
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 11:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Yes and I believe he can do that and you are in my prayers.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 3:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Thanks Andy, yes the bladder cancer is out of my control. But thank God I know 
the great physician who is able to heal my body and soul according to his will!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of andy t
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 2:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Hello Jim we will just have to make it go back where it came from and that is 
the devil's house you know his three purposes for us and that is to kill steal 
and destroy but like I always say, one of these days I will have the last laugh.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 12:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Just pin Jaws to the taskbar, press the windows key+ the number row number in 
order that Jaws is pinned to the taskbar. For example on my computer, pressing 
Windows key+8, starts Jaws 18 every time. Smiles. I desire all your prayers 
here on the Jaws users list. My bladder cancer has come back. I will find out 
more on Wednesday of this week. So please remember me. God bless and smiles.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:26 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Actually, my JAWS shortcut keeps disappearing. It's easy enough to fix, but 
puzzling.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 7:25 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Wow, that hot key really wasn't there. Thanks so much. I just did it. I was so 
sure I'd set it up but I think it was with old directions for an old version of 
Jaws.

Miriam

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 4:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Hi Miriam,
Do you have the shortcut setup for your Jaws? Here are the steps to do that.
1. Press windows + M to go to your desktop.
2. Press the letter J until you hear Jaws 18.
3. Press the application key and arrow up one time and press enter on 
properties.
4. Tab two  times

Re: [JAWS-Users] Thanks for all your prayers

[Jim Flusche]

Thanks, before David and the moderators pop me upside my bald pinhead, let me 
change the subject line. Smiles. I thank all of you for your prayers as I 
continue to battle my bladder cancer. I had two cancer tumors removed last year 
from my bladder, but one has now returned this year. So I am in the hands of 
God. I have no worries, I am totally in his hand and will except his sovereign 
will for my future. So let me thank all of you again for your support and 
prayers for my health situation. My wife and  I, appreciate them very much. 
Smiles.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 2:44 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Hi Jim,
I shall be remembering you too, and hope that Wednesday will prove a day of 
good news.
All the best,
Takis

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of andy t
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 11:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Yes and I believe he can do that and you are in my prayers.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 3:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Thanks Andy, yes the bladder cancer is out of my control. But thank God I know 
the great physician who is able to heal my body and soul according to his will!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of andy t
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 2:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Hello Jim we will just have to make it go back where it came from and that is 
the devil's house you know his three purposes for us and that is to kill steal 
and destroy but like I always say, one of these days I will have the last laugh.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 12:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Just pin Jaws to the taskbar, press the windows key+ the number row number in 
order that Jaws is pinned to the taskbar. For example on my computer, pressing 
Windows key+8, starts Jaws 18 every time. Smiles. I desire all your prayers 
here on the Jaws users list. My bladder cancer has come back. I will find out 
more on Wednesday of this week. So please remember me. God bless and smiles.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:26 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Actually, my JAWS shortcut keeps disappearing. It's easy enough to fix, but 
puzzling.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 7:25 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Wow, that hot key really wasn't there. Thanks so much. I just did it. I was so 
sure I'd set it up but I think it was with old directions for an old version of 
Jaws.

Miriam

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 4:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Hi Miriam,
Do you have the shortcut setup for your Jaws? Here are the steps to do that.
1. Press windows + M to go to your desktop.
2. Press the letter J until you hear Jaws 18.
3. Press the application key and arrow up one time and press enter on 
properties.
4. Tab two  times and you should hear short cut key. If it says none then press 
the letter J
  If it says shortcut key ctrl+alt+J then just press the escape key.
6. Now tab until you hear ok, then press enter. Another dialog box may come up 
just press yes or continue then you should be done.

Now you should have a shortcut key so when you press ctrl+alt+J it should start 
Jaws. Now if you use the other hotkey that now should work.
Mr. Ed
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 3:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Since Jaws has never restarted, it never popped up. I sit there and wait, and 
nothing happens.

Miriam

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of net bat66
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 3:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

it pops up automatically when jaws restarts. then you

Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

[Jim Flusche]

Thanks Andy, yes the bladder cancer is out of my control. But thank God I know 
the great physician who is able to heal my body and soul according to his will!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of andy t
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 2:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Hello Jim we will just have to make it go back where it came from and that is 
the devil's house you know his three purposes for us and that is to kill steal 
and destroy but like I always say, one of these days I will have the last laugh.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 12:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Just pin Jaws to the taskbar, press the windows key+ the number row number in 
order that Jaws is pinned to the taskbar. For example on my computer, pressing 
Windows key+8, starts Jaws 18 every time. Smiles. I desire all your prayers 
here on the Jaws users list. My bladder cancer has come back. I will find out 
more on Wednesday of this week. So please remember me. God bless and smiles.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:26 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Actually, my JAWS shortcut keeps disappearing. It's easy enough to fix, but 
puzzling.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 7:25 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Wow, that hot key really wasn't there. Thanks so much. I just did it. I was so 
sure I'd set it up but I think it was with old directions for an old version of 
Jaws.

Miriam

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 4:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Hi Miriam,
Do you have the shortcut setup for your Jaws? Here are the steps to do that.
1. Press windows + M to go to your desktop.
2. Press the letter J until you hear Jaws 18.
3. Press the application key and arrow up one time and press enter on 
properties.
4. Tab two  times and you should hear short cut key. If it says none then press 
the letter J
  If it says shortcut key ctrl+alt+J then just press the escape key.
6. Now tab until you hear ok, then press enter. Another dialog box may come up 
just press yes or continue then you should be done.

Now you should have a shortcut key so when you press ctrl+alt+J it should start 
Jaws. Now if you use the other hotkey that now should work.
Mr. Ed
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 3:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Since Jaws has never restarted, it never popped up. I sit there and wait, and 
nothing happens.

Miriam

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of net bat66
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 3:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

it pops up automatically when jaws restarts. then you are notified to send or 
send automatically without notifying you.;

-Original Message-
From: Tim Ford
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 12:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

How does one get the error report after doing that type of JAWS re-start?

Tim Ford


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 12:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Freedom said that the error reports sometimes really help them.
Justin

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Tim Ford
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 3:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Just amending the subject line since this string has gone on for some time with 
just "JAWS 18" as the subject.

Tim Ford


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of net bat66
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 11:34 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18

if it comes back at all it takes about 20 seconds with a error report most of 
the time. thats why i don't use it.

-Original Message-
From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 6:43 AM
To: jaws-users

Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

[Jim Flusche]

Just pin Jaws to the taskbar, press the windows key+ the number row number in 
order that Jaws is pinned to the taskbar. For example on my computer, pressing 
Windows key+8, starts Jaws 18 every time. Smiles. I desire all your prayers 
here on the Jaws users list. My bladder cancer has come back. I will find out 
more on Wednesday of this week. So please remember me. God bless and smiles.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:26 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Actually, my JAWS shortcut keeps disappearing. It's easy enough to fix, but 
puzzling.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 7:25 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Wow, that hot key really wasn't there. Thanks so much. I just did it. I was so 
sure I'd set it up but I think it was with old directions for an old version of 
Jaws.

Miriam

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 4:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Hi Miriam,
Do you have the shortcut setup for your Jaws? Here are the steps to do that.
1. Press windows + M to go to your desktop.
2. Press the letter J until you hear Jaws 18.
3. Press the application key and arrow up one time and press enter on 
properties.
4. Tab two  times and you should hear short cut key. If it says none then press 
the letter J
  If it says shortcut key ctrl+alt+J then just press the escape key.
6. Now tab until you hear ok, then press enter. Another dialog box may come
up just press yes or continue then you should be done.   

Now you should have a shortcut key so when you press ctrl+alt+J it should start 
Jaws. Now if you use the other hotkey that now should work.
Mr. Ed
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 3:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Since Jaws has never restarted, it never popped up. I sit there and wait, and 
nothing happens.

Miriam

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of net bat66
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 3:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

it pops up automatically when jaws restarts. then you are notified to send or 
send automatically without notifying you.;

-Original Message-
From: Tim Ford
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 12:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

How does one get the error report after doing that type of JAWS re-start?

Tim Ford


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 12:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Freedom said that the error reports sometimes really help them.
Justin

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Tim Ford
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 3:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re-starting Jaws 18

Just amending the subject line since this string has gone on for some time with 
just "JAWS 18" as the subject.

Tim Ford


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of net bat66
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 11:34 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18

if it comes back at all it takes about 20 seconds with a error report most of 
the time. thats why i don't use it.

-Original Message-
From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 6:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18

But Jaws doesn't appear to come back when I do it.

Miriam

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Justin Williams
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 11:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18

Actually, that keystroke shuts down jaws, and brings it back up automatically 
without having to toggle.
Justin

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 10:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18

Please tell me again, in detail, what to do when Jaws 18 disappears. I wrote 
down to press Jaws key plus windows key plus 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Irregular text sizes in Word

[Jim Fettgather]

After using control A to select all, You may use Alt+H, e, to clear
formatting.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of patti
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 6:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Irregular text sizes in Word

The shortcut key for this is?
1, select all, ctrl A
2, press Alt, shift, ctrl, S
3, press F6
4, enter on clear formatting
5, press F6 again
6, press ctrl space bar
7, up arrow to close
8, press enter, and that will put you back on your document
Patti

Hello- What Adrian says works quite well.  There is another option, if I am
in a document that has different formatting features that I don't want I
select the whole doc with Control a or I select a specific portion of a
document if the issue are related to only one part of the doc.  Then, I
press the Alt key and make sure I am on the Home menu. I arrow down once and
tab through the formatting choices until I get to "Clear formatting." I
press enter on the clear formatting choice and all formatting returns to
what the default is set for in MS Word.  At that point I can make any
changes I wish for the whole doc or portions of that doc.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 9:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Irregular text sizes in Word

Morning all.

Can anyone tell me if there is a way to change the font size in Word 2013,
if the original text is not uniform i.e., some of the text is a different
size than other parts of text? I want to enlarge text, and reduce text sizes
in a word document as a whole document; and not have to go through the
document and change the sizes one part at a time. I hope this makes sense. I
am using JAWS 17, Word 2013 (as stated before), Windows 10, and a dell
laptop. Many thanks in advance.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Saving online Adobe Document

[Jim Pursley]

When all else fails copy to word or notepad using Cntrl A and read/save 
there.


It sounds as if the save command is an unmarked graphic.  I think there 
is a way to custom mark graphics so they are "visible". Ins. F2 gets you 
jaws managers.  Arrow down to custom label to see if that makes the save 
command usable.


On 8/3/2017 10:32 AM, Vicki wrote:
Yes, it is set correctly, but there are certain PDF documents on 
certain websites that will only open on the webpage and then you can 
save them. This is one of those.



- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Pursley" 
<jim.purs...@gaiacapital.com>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Saving online Adobe Document


Is your adobe reader configured to read pdf's in the browser? You'll 
find the check box to do so or not do do so in the accessibility 
wizard in your adobe reader.  Alt v for the view menu and arrow down 
to accessibility. Right arrow and select accessibility wizard.  Just 
click next until you reach the last page and uncheck the box read in 
browser.  Online pdf's should read directly on your system.  This 
said, I had to switch to firefox as my default browser from ie11 as I 
could not find a way to get online pdf's to read on my system.


when in the browser navigation is nigh to impossible.

On 8/3/2017 1:33 AM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
Vicki, I wonder if pressing alt-s for save will work at the step 
where you wish to save. In other words, don't try to find the save 
option, but go right to it with the shortcut.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List 
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Vicki

Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 12:04 AM
To: JAWS
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Saving online Adobe Document

Good Evening,

I have had this problem for quite awhile since my bank changed its 
layout and I'm wondering, if with the updates to JAWS, there is a 
solution.


Here is my issue.

I want to save the Adobe .PDF document of my monthly bank statement 
from the website. Before, all I had to do was select the correct 
one, right click and save target as.


Now, however, I first have to select an item in each of the 
following combo boxes, name of the document, month and year for the 
document and then type of document.


Once that is finished, I then select a button "Get Document."

It then opens up the .PDF online and in the menu when right 
clicking, there are several options, one of them is "SAVE," which is 
not  visible to me. Others are, but not "Save."
  There is no other way to save this document to my computer without 
selecting the "Get Document" button and opening it first.


I have to have someone click on the "Save" button and then it takes 
me to the area where I can name the document, choose the 
destination, etc.


I have encountered this on a few other websites as well.

Does JAWS now offer some way of reading that grayed out area to save 
the document for these types of Adobe .PDF files.


I have found no other way of doing it.

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Saving online Adobe Document

[Jim Pursley]

Is your adobe reader configured to read pdf's in the browser? You'll 
find the check box to do so or not do do so in the accessibility wizard 
in your adobe reader.  Alt v for the view menu and arrow down to 
accessibility.  Right arrow and select accessibility wizard.  Just click 
next until you reach the last page and uncheck the box read in browser.  
Online pdf's should read directly on your system.  This said, I had to 
switch to firefox as my default browser from ie11 as I could not find a 
way to get online pdf's to read on my system.


when in the browser navigation is nigh to impossible.

On 8/3/2017 1:33 AM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

Vicki, I wonder if pressing alt-s for save will work at the step where you wish 
to save. In other words, don't try to find the save option, but go right to it 
with the shortcut.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Vicki
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 12:04 AM
To: JAWS
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Saving online Adobe Document

Good Evening,

I have had this problem for quite awhile since my bank changed its layout and 
I'm wondering, if with the updates to JAWS, there is a solution.

Here is my issue.

I want to save the Adobe .PDF document of my monthly bank statement from the 
website. Before, all I had to do was select the correct one, right click and 
save target as.

Now, however, I first have to select an item in each of the following combo 
boxes, name of the document, month and year for the document and then type of 
document.

Once that is finished, I then select a button "Get Document."

It then opens up the .PDF online and in the menu when right clicking, there are several options, 
one of them is "SAVE," which is not  visible to me. Others are, but not "Save."
  
There is no other way to save this document to my computer without selecting the "Get Document" button and opening it first.


I have to have someone click on the "Save" button and then it takes me to the 
area where I can name the document, choose the destination, etc.

I have encountered this on a few other websites as well.

Does JAWS now offer some way of reading that grayed out area to save the 
document for these types of Adobe .PDF files.

I have found no other way of doing it.

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] forwarding a message with thunderbird

[Jim Pursley]

I forward messages using the top line menus.  Alt M gets you the message 
menu and f gets you forward.  No need to remember hot keys. After 
hitting f a new email pops up with the forwarded text below it You 
should land right on the "To" line.  Many roads up Thunderbird mountain.


On 8/1/2017 9:23 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
Sorry disregard previous message.  After pressing control plus l, tab 
to main body of message and then press control plus enter.



lucky1i...@gmail.com
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 8/1/2017 6:44 PM, leonard morris wrote:
I am using  Thunderbird email client v45.8.0 latest jaws and windows 
seven. I was trying to forward an email using ctrl l to bring up 
forward which worked but when I used ctrl enter to send the message 
the email went nowhere. When I looked at the file menu the forward 
option was unavailable. I closed Thunderbird which gave me the option 
to save the message to draft. When I reopened Thunderbird and went to 
draft the message was there but again I could not forward it.






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Re: [JAWS-Users] how accessible is I tunes

[Jim Flusche]

Yes, should work fine.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 5:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] how accessible is I tunes

Jim:

Are your iTunes tutorial instructions good for Windows 7 as well?

I'm using Windows 7 and Jaws 18 here.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 4:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] how accessible is I tunes

Yes, Most of them should work, Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] how accessible is I tunes

Jim: Will the abovementioned instructions work with version17 as well, using 
Windows 10 on a Dell Laptop? Thanks. Jerry

-Original Message-
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 1:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] how accessible is I tunes

Hi Dennis, try reading the below guide I wrote for iTunes and see if it helps 
you with using it with Jaws.
Using iTunes 12 with Jaws 18.
This is a text tutorial, provided freely by The W-10 and Jaws group.
Author: Jim Flusche

**Press ALT+V, moves you to the View Tab in iTunes.
**After pressing ALT+V, you will see the following items.
*Tip, we need to go to the Column Browser sub menu first.
So Down arrow past the following items, on your way to the Column Browser sub 
menu.
Media Kind sub menu.
All Music checked.
Only Downloaded Music.
Sort By sub menu.
Show View Options Ctrl+J.
**Column Browser sub menu, press the Right arrow key one time.
If you hear, Show Column Browser, press Enter.
*Tip, you will need to press ALT+V, again, Arrow down and Right arrow back 
inside the Column Browser sub menu.
**Make sure you have the four items checked below, these four items have a * 
before them.
*Tip, Each time you press the Enter key, to check one of these items, you will 
need to press ALT+V, to go back inside the View tab, and go back to where you 
were.
Hide Column Browser Ctrl+Shift+B.
Genres.
*Artists checked.
*Albums checked.
Composers.
Groupings.
*Group Compilations checked.
*Use Album Artists checked.
Hide Column Browser Ctrl+Shift+B.
**Press the left arrow, from inside the Column Browser sub menu.
**You will hear, Column Browser sub menu.
**Now continue to Arrow down, you will hear the following items.
Show Up Next Ctrl+Shift+U.
Show Status Bar Ctrl+/.
Hide Sidebar Ctrl+S.
sideo Playback Unavailable sub menu.
Visualizer sub menu.
Full Screen Ctrl+Shift+F Unavailable.
Show MiniPlayer Ctrl+Shift+1.
Show Equalizer Ctrl+Shift+2.
Show Activity Window Ctrl+Shift+3.
Switch to MiniPlayer Ctrl+Shift+M.
Media Kind sub menu.
*Tip, you have now wrapped back to the top of the view tab.
**Pressing the Right arrow, and pressing the down arrow as you go through the 
Media Kind sub menu, you will see the following items.
*Tip, each item has a Control+Number row shortcut, to switch directly to that 
item.
**For example, for this lesson right now, I have Music checked.
Music Ctrl+1 checked.
Movies Ctrl+2.
TV Shows Ctrl+3.
Podcasts Ctrl+4.
iTunes U Ctrl+5.
Audiobooks Ctrl+6.
Apps Ctrl+7.
Tones Ctrl+8.
Internet Radio Ctrl+9.
*Tip, the three I use the most are:
**Control+1, for Music.
**Control+4, for Podcasts.
**Control+9, for Internet radio.
*Reminder, If you are in Music, press Control+9 on the number row, you will 
open and be placed in the Internet radio treeview list.
**Right arrow opens a Music category, Left arrow closes it.
**More about Internet radio later.
*Tip, in this lesson I will use the Search edit box, as the central place to 
show you how to, navigate through iTunes 12 with Jaws.
**We will use the F6, key quite a bit in navigating iTunes 12 with Jaws.
**Press the F6 key, several times until you hear Search edit.
**Press the F6 key, one more time from the Search edit box, you will land on, 
Library Sidebar Tree view, mine is set to Songs.
For example, press F6 until you hear, Search Edit Type in text.
**Press F6 one more time, you will hear, Library Sidebar Tree view Songs 5 of 
20.
**Now press the Home key, takes you to the top of the list.
As you press the Down arrow key, you will hear the following items.
**Pressing Insert+Up arrow, Jaws will say, Recently Added, this incorrectly 
says, 2 of 20, this is the first item.
On my computer, there are 16 items in the list, ignore the numbers.
Library Sidebar Tree view Artists 3 of 20 Albums, Sidebar Tree view, 4 of 20.
Library Sidebar Tree view Songs 5 of 20
Library Sidebar Tree view Genres 6 of 20 Videos Genius Purchased 90's Music 
Classical Music My Top Rated Recently Played Top 25 Most Played *Tip, the next 
three with a * before

Re: [JAWS-Users] how accessible is I tunes

[Jim Flusche]

Yes, Most of them should work, Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] how accessible is I tunes

Jim: Will the abovementioned instructions work with version17 as well, using 
Windows 10 on a Dell Laptop? Thanks. Jerry

-Original Message-
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 1:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] how accessible is I tunes

Hi Dennis, try reading the below guide I wrote for iTunes and see if it helps 
you with using it with Jaws.
Using iTunes 12 with Jaws 18.
This is a text tutorial, provided freely by The W-10 and Jaws group.
Author: Jim Flusche

**Press ALT+V, moves you to the View Tab in iTunes.
**After pressing ALT+V, you will see the following items.
*Tip, we need to go to the Column Browser sub menu first.
So Down arrow past the following items, on your way to the Column Browser sub 
menu.
Media Kind sub menu.
All Music checked.
Only Downloaded Music.
Sort By sub menu.
Show View Options Ctrl+J.
**Column Browser sub menu, press the Right arrow key one time.
If you hear, Show Column Browser, press Enter.
*Tip, you will need to press ALT+V, again, Arrow down and Right arrow back 
inside the Column Browser sub menu.
**Make sure you have the four items checked below, these four items have a * 
before them.
*Tip, Each time you press the Enter key, to check one of these items, you will 
need to press ALT+V, to go back inside the View tab, and go back to where you 
were.
Hide Column Browser Ctrl+Shift+B.
Genres.
*Artists checked.
*Albums checked.
Composers.
Groupings.
*Group Compilations checked.
*Use Album Artists checked.
Hide Column Browser Ctrl+Shift+B.
**Press the left arrow, from inside the Column Browser sub menu.
**You will hear, Column Browser sub menu.
**Now continue to Arrow down, you will hear the following items.
Show Up Next Ctrl+Shift+U.
Show Status Bar Ctrl+/.
Hide Sidebar Ctrl+S.
sideo Playback Unavailable sub menu.
Visualizer sub menu.
Full Screen Ctrl+Shift+F Unavailable.
Show MiniPlayer Ctrl+Shift+1.
Show Equalizer Ctrl+Shift+2.
Show Activity Window Ctrl+Shift+3.
Switch to MiniPlayer Ctrl+Shift+M.
Media Kind sub menu.
*Tip, you have now wrapped back to the top of the view tab.
**Pressing the Right arrow, and pressing the down arrow as you go through the 
Media Kind sub menu, you will see the following items.
*Tip, each item has a Control+Number row shortcut, to switch directly to that 
item.
**For example, for this lesson right now, I have Music checked.
Music Ctrl+1 checked.
Movies Ctrl+2.
TV Shows Ctrl+3.
Podcasts Ctrl+4.
iTunes U Ctrl+5.
Audiobooks Ctrl+6.
Apps Ctrl+7.
Tones Ctrl+8.
Internet Radio Ctrl+9.
*Tip, the three I use the most are:
**Control+1, for Music.
**Control+4, for Podcasts.
**Control+9, for Internet radio.
*Reminder, If you are in Music, press Control+9 on the number row, you will 
open and be placed in the Internet radio treeview list.
**Right arrow opens a Music category, Left arrow closes it.
**More about Internet radio later.
*Tip, in this lesson I will use the Search edit box, as the central place to 
show you how to, navigate through iTunes 12 with Jaws.
**We will use the F6, key quite a bit in navigating iTunes 12 with Jaws.
**Press the F6 key, several times until you hear Search edit.
**Press the F6 key, one more time from the Search edit box, you will land on, 
Library Sidebar Tree view, mine is set to Songs.
For example, press F6 until you hear, Search Edit Type in text.
**Press F6 one more time, you will hear, Library Sidebar Tree view Songs 5 of 
20.
**Now press the Home key, takes you to the top of the list.
As you press the Down arrow key, you will hear the following items.
**Pressing Insert+Up arrow, Jaws will say, Recently Added, this incorrectly 
says, 2 of 20, this is the first item.
On my computer, there are 16 items in the list, ignore the numbers.
Library Sidebar Tree view Artists 3 of 20 Albums, Sidebar Tree view, 4 of 20.
Library Sidebar Tree view Songs 5 of 20
Library Sidebar Tree view Genres 6 of 20 Videos Genius Purchased 90's Music 
Classical Music My Top Rated Recently Played Top 25 Most Played *Tip, the next 
three with a * before them, are my created playlist.
*Chill out
*Saxophone
*Work out
*Tip, first letter navigation does work in this list.
**Quickly type S,O, You will land on Songs, this is what you want set here for 
now.
**For example, you will hear, Library Sidebar Tree view Songs 5 of 20.
**Press F6 again, you will hear, Library Sidebar Tree view Library, leave this 
set to library.
**Press F6 again, you will hear list box.
*Tip, to make Jaws read correctly, press the Down arrow key, then press the Up 
arrow key, you will correctly hear.
All (388 Artists), shows up in my iTunes list.
**So we are at the top of the artist list, this is where iTunes 12 will open, 
after

Re: [JAWS-Users] how accessible is I tunes

[Jim Flusche]

Hi Dennis, try reading the below guide I wrote for iTunes and see if it helps 
you with using it with Jaws.
Using iTunes 12 with Jaws 18.
This is a text tutorial, provided freely by The W-10 and Jaws group.
Author: Jim Flusche

**Press ALT+V, moves you to the View Tab in iTunes.
**After pressing ALT+V, you will see the following items.
*Tip, we need to go to the Column Browser sub menu first.
So Down arrow past the following items, on your way to the Column Browser sub 
menu.
Media Kind sub menu.
All Music checked.
Only Downloaded Music.
Sort By sub menu.
Show View Options Ctrl+J.
**Column Browser sub menu, press the Right arrow key one time.
If you hear, Show Column Browser, press Enter.
*Tip, you will need to press ALT+V, again, Arrow down and Right arrow back 
inside the Column Browser sub menu.
**Make sure you have the four items checked below, these four items have a * 
before them.
*Tip, Each time you press the Enter key, to check one of these items, you will 
need to press ALT+V, to go back inside the View tab, and go back to where you 
were.
Hide Column Browser Ctrl+Shift+B.
Genres.
*Artists checked.
*Albums checked.
Composers.
Groupings.
*Group Compilations checked.
*Use Album Artists checked.
Hide Column Browser Ctrl+Shift+B.
**Press the left arrow, from inside the Column Browser sub menu.
**You will hear, Column Browser sub menu.
**Now continue to Arrow down, you will hear the following items.
Show Up Next Ctrl+Shift+U.
Show Status Bar Ctrl+/.
Hide Sidebar Ctrl+S.
sideo Playback Unavailable sub menu.
Visualizer sub menu.
Full Screen Ctrl+Shift+F Unavailable.
Show MiniPlayer Ctrl+Shift+1.
Show Equalizer Ctrl+Shift+2.
Show Activity Window Ctrl+Shift+3.
Switch to MiniPlayer Ctrl+Shift+M.
Media Kind sub menu.
*Tip, you have now wrapped back to the top of the view tab.
**Pressing the Right arrow, and pressing the down arrow as you go through the 
Media Kind sub menu, you will see the following items.
*Tip, each item has a Control+Number row shortcut, to switch directly to that 
item.
**For example, for this lesson right now, I have Music checked.
Music Ctrl+1 checked.
Movies Ctrl+2.
TV Shows Ctrl+3.
Podcasts Ctrl+4.
iTunes U Ctrl+5.
Audiobooks Ctrl+6.
Apps Ctrl+7.
Tones Ctrl+8.
Internet Radio Ctrl+9.
*Tip, the three I use the most are:
**Control+1, for Music.
**Control+4, for Podcasts.
**Control+9, for Internet radio.
*Reminder, If you are in Music, press Control+9 on the number row, you will 
open and be placed in the Internet radio treeview list.
**Right arrow opens a Music category, Left arrow closes it.
**More about Internet radio later.
*Tip, in this lesson I will use the Search edit box, as the central place to 
show you how to, navigate through iTunes 12 with Jaws.
**We will use the F6, key quite a bit in navigating iTunes 12 with Jaws.
**Press the F6 key, several times until you hear Search edit.
**Press the F6 key, one more time from the Search edit box, you will land on, 
Library Sidebar Tree view, mine is set to Songs. 
For example, press F6 until you hear, Search Edit Type in text.
**Press F6 one more time, you will hear, Library Sidebar Tree view Songs 5 of 
20.
**Now press the Home key, takes you to the top of the list.
As you press the Down arrow key, you will hear the following items.
**Pressing Insert+Up arrow, Jaws will say, Recently Added, this incorrectly 
says, 2 of 20, this is the first item.
On my computer, there are 16 items in the list, ignore the numbers.
Library Sidebar Tree view Artists 3 of 20
Albums, Sidebar Tree view, 4 of 20. 
Library Sidebar Tree view Songs 5 of 20
Library Sidebar Tree view Genres 6 of 20
Videos
Genius
Purchased
90's Music
Classical Music
My Top Rated
Recently Played
Top 25 Most Played
*Tip, the next three with a * before them, are my created playlist.
*Chill out
*Saxophone
*Work out
*Tip, first letter navigation does work in this list.
**Quickly type S,O, You will land on Songs, this is what you want set here for 
now.
**For example, you will hear, Library Sidebar Tree view Songs 5 of 20.
**Press F6 again, you will hear, Library Sidebar Tree view Library, leave this 
set to library.
**Press F6 again, you will hear list box.
*Tip, to make Jaws read correctly, press the Down arrow key, then press the Up 
arrow key, you will correctly hear.
All (388 Artists), shows up in my iTunes list.
**So we are at the top of the artist list, this is where iTunes 12 will open, 
after making all the changes above.
>From the top of the artist list, if you tab one time, you will be at the top 
>of the Albums list.
Press the Up and Down arrow to get Jaws to correctly read, in my iTunes on my 
computer it says, all 607 albums.
Now if you Tab again from the top of the Albums list, you will be on the songs 
list.
Press the Down arrow to highlight the first song, you must always do this when 
in any song list.
Press Insert+Up arrow, on the first song, on my computer, it says, List box 1 
of 18788.
Now press Shift+Tab two times, this will take you back to the Artis

Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and PDF?

[Jim Pursley]

If you have Open Book you'll find that you'll seldom use Convenient 
OCR.  You can read scanned and secure pdf's in Open Book as well as any 
other scanned material larger than a banner (convenient OCR may be 
better for small scans).  You might want to make a short cut  key for 
Open Book (I use O).   To access scanned material just hit Control P and 
your printers will pop up..Open Book is your Freedom printer.  Just 
click on the name and your doc will open in Open Book.  JAWS will now 
work in Open Book, so you don't need to suppress JAWS.  Open Book has a 
really good help section. Just use F6 to toggle.  You may need no 
training to use it.


Mike B. did a marvelous job of listing the preparations JAWS users need 
to make for Adobe DC (latest).  You will need to use the accessibility 
wizard and to uncheck some items in the preferences tree.  In adobe, 
just hit control K and the list will pop up.  Go to enhanced scecurity 
and uncheck protected view.  In the accessibility wizard you will also 
want to uncheck opening the pdf's in the browser.  I particularly like 
reading a whole document, not page by page - even long documents.  Most 
newer computers are fast enough to load even a 70 or so page pdf with 
some ease.


Tehre are of course more detailed instructions to give but you may be 
aable to complete your pdf orientation with the above suggestions.)


On 7/22/2017 8:17 PM, Michele Thredgold wrote:

Hi everyone. I'm still getting my head around JAWS 18. How do you access 
Convenient OCR? Also, I purchased OpenBook a few months ago and am still on the 
waiting list for training. Can anyone give me a few pointers to get started 
with PDFS?

Thanks

Michele

- Original Message -
From: Adrian Spratt  
To: "jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com"   
Date: Wednesday, 12 July 2017 5:56 am
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and PDF?



Hi, Vicky. I'll answer with a qualified yes. I'm assuming that JAWS 16 doesn't 
have the Convenient OCR feature, but I could be wrong. With convenient OCR, 
JAWS makes it easy to convert PDF files. The typical sequence of keystrokes is 
JAWS key+spacebar, then o for OCR, then d for document. You wait a while, not 
long at all for short documents and maybe a few minutes for longer ones, and 
then the text of the PDF file is displayed in a new window.

If you can live with those steps, the Convenient OCR feature is well 
worthwhile. I use it all the time.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:23 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and PDF?

Hi List, I am wondering if it is worth spending the money to upgrade to 18 from 
the latest 16.  If you say that it can read PDFs without going through 
recognition steps, then, it will be worth it for me.

Please let me know.

Sincerely, Vicky Vaughan
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Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

[Jim Flusche]

Yes, that is the question. I have heard it's a w-10 creators update issue, and 
I have also heard it's a Jaws issue. So take your choice. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of michaeel's mail
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 8:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Okay Jim but is it a win 10 issue or a jaws problem.
chees Michael.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Yes, this is an issue from time to time.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of michael fridey
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:55 PM
To: jaws help list <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Subject: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Hi guys i find jaws some times  at start up jaws will not see the log in screen.

I start naratter when jaws will not see the edit box.

Is anybody else finding that.

cheers Michael.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

[Jim Flusche]

Hi Rick, thank you, yes, that's  all I was saying. With so many computer 
models, with so many various programs installed on all of our computers. Each 
person will have a different experience with the performance of Jaws. I was 
just giving a positive report on my setup, so others would know. Thanks and 
smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Rick Ely
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:41 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

Hi All,
Please remember that simply because we are running the same Windows version, 
the same JAWS version and the same application does not mean that our computers 
are in any way identical. Over time, all kinds of junk can get installed that 
we are not aware of, lots of pieces of applications run in the background and 
unless we look at those, we don't know they are running. All of that makes it a 
challenge for tech support staff to figure out solutions. Lots of us have 
commented on JAWS going silent, most of us have stated what we have had to do 
to get the little guy talking again. Jim's statement was not meant to say that 
others of us were crazy or incompetent. His report was just one more bit of 
evidence for the Freedom sleuths to use to correct the issue.
Rick

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

Well, no point in being a smart-alec, I did not say the rest of us are just 
losing our minds. I was just reporting what was going on over here, like all of 
us do on this list. This way we all know what is happening on different 
machines. No, no issues using Internet Explorer at all on my machine. Sorry if 
this upsets you. Smiles.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of The Iowa Gal
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 12:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

So if you're not having the issue, the rest of us are just losing our minds, 
huh? Here's another vote for it being an I.E. problem.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

This is Not a Internet Explorer issue. I am running latest Jaws 18, the 
Creators update, office 365, current updates to all. I am having no issues.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 4:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

I always used to have these sorts of issues with iE...any version, of either 
JAWS or IE. I finally pretty much switched 100% to firefox and now everything 
works like a charm.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 4:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

Just to add to this, I have the same issue with Jaws 16 through 18 on a Win
7 Ultimate system.

It invariably seems to correlate to the use of IE 11.  It is not duplicatable, 
but it does happen with enough consistency that there's got to be a bug 
somewhere in the program.

When it happens, if I can get Jaws to stumble-and-bumble to the process 
manager, I can close IE and reload Jaws.  Oftentimes, Jaws is so sluggish i.e. 
not quite non-responsive -- that I end up loading System Access to go and 
close IE11 and Jaws.  Then, I can re-load Jaws and its happy.

If I use a competitive screen-reader, I've not encountered these issues.

Steve
- Original Message -
From: <mi...@orbitelcom.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing


> Hi Miriam,  The mysterious and annoying behavior you describe also
> happens to me on occasion.  Likewise, I have the latest JAWS 18 with
> Windows 7 and a 64 bit system.
> Short of rebooting the system, applying the hot key sequence I have
> assigned to JAWS 18 will sometimes return speech but it's all
> guesswork and when the hot key fails to return speech, I am forced to
> restart the system.  Lastly, it seems to happen when tabbing away from
> an open web site but beyond this pattern, I remain puzzled by this
> annoyance.  Mitch
>
> "The problem with quotes on the Internet
>is that people instantly believe they're real."
>
>-(Abraham Lincoln)
>
> -Original Message-

Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

[Jim Flusche]

Yes, this is an issue from time to time.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of michael fridey
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:55 PM
To: jaws help list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Hi guys i find jaws some times  at start up jaws will not see the log in screen.

I start naratter when jaws will not see the edit box.

Is anybody else finding that.

cheers Michael.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

[Jim Flusche]

Well, no point in being a smart-alec, I did not say the rest of us are just 
losing our minds. I was just reporting what was going on over here, like all of 
us do on this list. This way we all know what is happening on different 
machines. No, no issues using Internet Explorer at all on my machine. Sorry if 
this upsets you. Smiles.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of The Iowa Gal
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 12:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

So if you're not having the issue, the rest of us are just losing our minds, 
huh? Here's another vote for it being an I.E. problem.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

This is Not a Internet Explorer issue. I am running latest Jaws 18, the 
Creators update, office 365, current updates to all. I am having no issues.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 4:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

I always used to have these sorts of issues with iE...any version, of either 
JAWS or IE. I finally pretty much switched 100% to firefox and now everything 
works like a charm.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Steve
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 4:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

Just to add to this, I have the same issue with Jaws 16 through 18 on a Win
7 Ultimate system.

It invariably seems to correlate to the use of IE 11.  It is not duplicatable, 
but it does happen with enough consistency that there's got to be a bug 
somewhere in the program.

When it happens, if I can get Jaws to stumble-and-bumble to the process 
manager, I can close IE and reload Jaws.  Oftentimes, Jaws is so sluggish i.e. 
not quite non-responsive -- that I end up loading System Access to go and close 
IE11 and Jaws.  Then, I can re-load Jaws and its happy.

If I use a competitive screen-reader, I've not encountered these issues.

Steve
- Original Message -
From: <mi...@orbitelcom.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing


> Hi Miriam,  The mysterious and annoying behavior you describe also 
> happens to me on occasion.  Likewise, I have the latest JAWS 18 with 
> Windows 7 and a 64 bit system.
> Short of rebooting the system, applying the hot key sequence I have 
> assigned to JAWS 18 will sometimes return speech but it's all 
> guesswork and when the hot key fails to return speech, I am forced to 
> restart the system.  Lastly, it seems to happen when tabbing away from 
> an open web site but beyond this pattern, I remain puzzled by this 
> annoyance.  Mitch
>
> “The problem with quotes on the Internet
>is that people instantly believe they’re real.”
>
>-(Abraham Lincoln)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Miriam Vieni
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 6:52 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing
>
> Even after this latest update, Jaws occasionally and unexpectedly goes 
> silent when I change from one window to another. Jaws 18, Windows 7 .
> Office
> 365, 64 bit computer. None of the key strokes that have been 
> suggested, appear to work. I go to the desktop and wait. Nothing 
> happens. If I press the power  button lightly, just before the 
> computer turns off, Jaws starts to talk. But I can't, at that point, stop the 
> computer from turning off.
> It
> just happened to  me again. Very frustrating! Is this happening to 
> anyone else? What do you do when it happens?
>
> Miriam
>
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

[Jim Flusche]

This is Not a Internet Explorer issue. I am running latest Jaws 18, the 
Creators update, office 365, current updates to all. I am having no issues.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 4:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

I always used to have these sorts of issues with iE...any version, of either 
JAWS or IE. I finally pretty much switched 100% to firefox and now everything 
works like a charm.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Steve
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 4:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

Just to add to this, I have the same issue with Jaws 16 through 18 on a Win
7 Ultimate system.

It invariably seems to correlate to the use of IE 11.  It is not duplicatable, 
but it does happen with enough consistency that there's got to be a bug 
somewhere in the program.

When it happens, if I can get Jaws to stumble-and-bumble to the process 
manager, I can close IE and reload Jaws.  Oftentimes, Jaws is so sluggish i.e. 
not quite non-responsive -- that I end up loading System Access to go and close 
IE11 and Jaws.  Then, I can re-load Jaws and its happy.

If I use a competitive screen-reader, I've not encountered these issues.

Steve
- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing


> Hi Miriam,  The mysterious and annoying behavior you describe also 
> happens to me on occasion.  Likewise, I have the latest JAWS 18 with 
> Windows 7 and a 64 bit system.
> Short of rebooting the system, applying the hot key sequence I have 
> assigned to JAWS 18 will sometimes return speech but it's all 
> guesswork and when the hot key fails to return speech, I am forced to 
> restart the system.  Lastly, it seems to happen when tabbing away from 
> an open web site but beyond this pattern, I remain puzzled by this 
> annoyance.  Mitch
>
> “The problem with quotes on the Internet
>is that people instantly believe they’re real.”
>
>-(Abraham Lincoln)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Miriam Vieni
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 6:52 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing
>
> Even after this latest update, Jaws occasionally and unexpectedly goes 
> silent when I change from one window to another. Jaws 18, Windows 7 .
> Office
> 365, 64 bit computer. None of the key strokes that have been 
> suggested, appear to work. I go to the desktop and wait. Nothing 
> happens. If I press the power  button lightly, just before the 
> computer turns off, Jaws starts to talk. But I can't, at that point, stop the 
> computer from turning off.
> It
> just happened to  me again. Very frustrating! Is this happening to 
> anyone else? What do you do when it happens?
>
> Miriam
>
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Pinning and unpinning items from the taskbar in W-10.

[Jim Flusche]

Hi Rick, thank you for your positive and kind feedback. Just doing what I can 
do to help others. Yes, I personally love W-10. That's why only after using 
W-10 for about three weeks and seeing how well it worked with Jaws, I started 
the W-10 and Jaws group. Almost two years later, I still love W-10! There are 
many members of this list and members on my own group that know way more about 
using computers them me, but I do my best to help them to the best of my 
knowledge. I also want to thank David F, and all of his moderators on this 
list, who helped teach this pinhead how to use a computer with Jaws! So in a 
way, I am giving back to the blind community as well as helping others because 
of the kindness of many people who have helped me over the years! May God bless 
all of us for helping one another learn the computer using Jaws! Thanks. Smiles.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Rick Ely
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 8:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Pinning and unpinning items from the taskbar in W-10.

Jim,
What a great step by step. I have a folder with your lessons. It is so good to 
see someone with a clear understanding of Windows. When, in the long ago and 
far away, and teaching WindowEyes I told my students that so much of good use 
of a screen reader relied on knowing what was possible in the operating system 
and having a good group of shortcut keys in your OS between your ears. I was a 
GW guy back in the VocalEyes days and then a WE user and teacher. When WE went 
away, I dreaded the switch. All that dread has mostly vanished. Now if I can 
retrain my head to press the specific JAWS function keys. I will be in good 
shape. Motor memory is a wonderful thing until the task has its key combo 
altered.

Thanks from lots of us,
Rick

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 6:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Pinning and unpinning items from the taskbar in W-10.

Pinning and unpinning items from the taskbar in W-10.
OK, first of all, What Items are pinned to my Taskbar?
Second of all, What are the order of the pinned items on my Taskbar?
Third of all, Why does the pinned order of items on the Taskbar matter?
Fourth of all, How do I unpin items from the Taskbar?
Fifth of all, How do I pin items to the Taskbar?
**What Items are pinned to my Taskbar?
After pressing Windows key+T, and pressing the Right arrow key, I will hear the 
following Items.
Task bar Internet Explorer Button
Word 2016 Button
Notepad - 1 running window button menu
Outlook 2016 Button
Control Panel Button
Windows Defender Security Center Button
iTunes Button
JAWS 18 Button
**What are the order of the pinned items on my Taskbar?
1. Internet Explorer
2. Word 2016
3. Notepad
4. Outlook 2016
5. Control Panel
6. Windows Defender Security Center
7. iTunes
8. JAWS 18
**Why does the pinned order of items on the Taskbar matter?
Because, depending on the order of the pinned items to the Taskbar, this will 
determine the shortcut key that will start that program on your computer.
*For example:
on my computer pressing the windows key followed by a number on the numbers 
row, will start the following program or open the item pinned to the Taskbar.
Pressing Windows key+1, will open Internet Explorer.
Pressing Windows key+2, will open Word 2016.
Pressing Windows key+3, will open an untitled Notepad file.
Pressing Windows key+4, will open Outlook 2016.
Pressing Windows key+5, will open the control panel.
Pressing Windows key+6, will open Windows Defender Security Center.
Pressing Windows key+7, will open iTunes.
Pressing Windows key+8, will always start Jaws 18.
*Tip, if you have more than one of these windows open.
Pressing their windows key+number, will take you to that program.
*For example:
If you are in the Internet Explorer window, and you wish to go back to your 
open notepad file, just press Windows key+3, on my computer.
If you wish to start a new notepad file, Press Windows+shift+3, this will open 
a blank notepad file.
So as you can see this is a quick and fast way, to start your favorites 
programs on your W-10 computer including Jaws.
**How do I unpin items from the Taskbar?
As you are busy customizing your new W-10 computer, you should clear the pinned 
items off your Taskbar.
This way you can start from scratch, pinning your pinned items to the Taskbar 
in your own order.
*Press Windows key+T, you land on the first item pinned to your Taskbar.
Press the Applications key, up arrow to, unpin from Taskbar, press Enter.
Press Windows key+m or D, go to your desktop.
Press Windows key+T, returns you to the Taskbar, repeat the above directions 
until the Taskbar is empty.
Keep repeating these steps, until all the current items are unpinned from your 
Taskbar.
**How do I pin items

[JAWS-Users] Pinning and unpinning items from the taskbar in W-10.

[Jim Flusche]

Pinning and unpinning items from the taskbar in W-10.
OK, first of all, What Items are pinned to my Taskbar?
Second of all, What are the order of the pinned items on my Taskbar?
Third of all, Why does the pinned order of items on the Taskbar matter?
Fourth of all, How do I unpin items from the Taskbar?
Fifth of all, How do I pin items to the Taskbar?
**What Items are pinned to my Taskbar?
After pressing Windows key+T, and pressing the Right arrow key, I will hear the 
following Items.
Task bar Internet Explorer Button
Word 2016 Button
Notepad - 1 running window button menu
Outlook 2016 Button
Control Panel Button
Windows Defender Security Center Button
iTunes Button
JAWS 18 Button
**What are the order of the pinned items on my Taskbar?
1. Internet Explorer
2. Word 2016
3. Notepad
4. Outlook 2016
5. Control Panel
6. Windows Defender Security Center
7. iTunes
8. JAWS 18
**Why does the pinned order of items on the Taskbar matter?
Because, depending on the order of the pinned items to the Taskbar, this will 
determine the shortcut key that will start that program on your computer.
*For example:
on my computer pressing the windows key followed by a number on the numbers 
row, will start the following program or open the item pinned to the Taskbar.
Pressing Windows key+1, will open Internet Explorer.
Pressing Windows key+2, will open Word 2016.
Pressing Windows key+3, will open an untitled Notepad file.
Pressing Windows key+4, will open Outlook 2016.
Pressing Windows key+5, will open the control panel.
Pressing Windows key+6, will open Windows Defender Security Center.
Pressing Windows key+7, will open iTunes.
Pressing Windows key+8, will always start Jaws 18.
*Tip, if you have more than one of these windows open.
Pressing their windows key+number, will take you to that program.
*For example:
If you are in the Internet Explorer window, and you wish to go back to your 
open notepad file, just press Windows key+3, on my computer.
If you wish to start a new notepad file, Press Windows+shift+3, this will open 
a blank notepad file.
So as you can see this is a quick and fast way, to start your favorites 
programs on your W-10 computer including Jaws.
**How do I unpin items from the Taskbar?
As you are busy customizing your new W-10 computer, you should clear the pinned 
items off your Taskbar.
This way you can start from scratch, pinning your pinned items to the Taskbar 
in your own order.
*Press Windows key+T, you land on the first item pinned to your Taskbar.
Press the Applications key, up arrow to, unpin from Taskbar, press Enter.
Press Windows key+m or D, go to your desktop.
Press Windows key+T, returns you to the Taskbar, repeat the above directions 
until the Taskbar is empty.
Keep repeating these steps, until all the current items are unpinned from your 
Taskbar.
**How do I pin items to the Taskbar?
OK, let us start with pinning Jaws to the Taskbar.
Press the Windows key, followed by the down arrow key, you will land in the All 
Apps list box.
Press the letter J, you will land on JAWS 18.0 folder, Collapsed.
Press the Enter key to expand Jaws 18.
Highlight Jaws 18.
Press the Applications key, down arrow to, more sub menu, Right arrow to pin to 
taskbar, press Enter.
You now have Jaws 18 pinned to the Taskbar.
*Tip, remember if you have more than one version of Jaws installed on your 
computer, do the following.
After pressing Windows key, and pressing the down arrow, and pressing the 
letter J, you will land on the oldest version of Jaws first.
So just repeat the above steps for pinning all the versions of Jaws to the 
Taskbar, that are installed on your computer.
I always use this method for starting Jaws on my computer, instead of the old 
way of pressing Control+ALT+J, to start Jaws.
So because Jaws 18 is the eighth item pinned to the Taskbar, pressing Windows 
key+8, always starts Jaws 18 on my computer.
*How to find items like Internet explorer or notepad, to pin to my Taskbar?
Press Windows key, followed by the Down arrow, this lands you in, All Apps list 
box.
Press the letter W, down arrow to, Windows Accessories folder, Collapsed, press 
the Enter key to expand.
Highlight either Internet explorer or notepad.
Press the Applications key, Arrow down to, more sub menu, Right arrow to, pin 
to Taskbar, press Enter.
Now you have pinned either Internet explorer or Notepad to your Taskbar.
*How to find the Control panel, to pin it to the Taskbar?
Press the Windows key, followed by the Down arrow to open the All Apps list box.
Press the letter W, Down arrow to, Windows System folder, Collapsed, press 
Enter key to expand.
Down arrow and highlight Control panel.
Press the Applications key, Arrow down to more sub menu, Right arrow to pin to 
Taskbar, press Enter.
Now you have pinned the Control panel to the Taskbar.
*Other examples:
1. Press the Windows key, or Enter on the Start button.
2. Either press the up or down arrow or Tab two times to All apps list box,.
3. Use first letter navigation, or just Down 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft free giveaway for books.

[Jim Flusche]

Also Word.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jitendra Kumar
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft free giveaway for books.

As far as I know, multiple formats are available for download.
E.G. pdf, mobi, epub.
Remember that not all formats are available for all the books, see for yourself.

On 7/15/17, jyandt.mar...@comcast.net  wrote:
> Are these books ones that can be used only on devices such as Kindel 
> readers?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jitendra Kumar
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 7:04 AM
> To: jaws-users-list
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft free giveaway for books.
>
> This is the microsoft sharing nearly 250 books for free which are 
> paid, feel free to share this link with your friends, And Download for 
> you what you want.
> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/mssmallbiz/2017/07/11/largest-free-mi
> crosoft-ebook-giveaway-im-giving-away-millions-of-free-microsoft-ebook
> s-again-including-windows-10-office-365-office-2016-power-bi-azure-win
> dows-8-1-office-2013-sharepo/
> Thanks, J.
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] McAfee Removal

[Jim Flusche]

Hi Mike, go to programs and features, highlight the mcafee program, press enter 
to start the removal of mcafee. I believe you tab one time to enter the mcafee 
removal window, use your arrow keys, find where it says remove all mcafee 
components or something like that, make sure you check the checkbox with the 
spacebar, to remove the entire program. Staying on the same screen, you should 
see a message at top of the screen saying removing mcafee, please wait. When it 
is done, you will see at the bottom of the page, a restart is required to 
finish removing mcafee, press enter on the restart button at the bottom of the 
page. I did this to remove mcafee from my new computer, after I restarted my 
machine, Windows defender security center was activated. This is all you need 
for your anti-virus, no need in wasting money for other anti-virus programs, 
windows defender works just as well as any paid anti-virus programs that are 
out there. Now this is in reference to a computer running the W-10 
 creators update. But the steps above work on removing mcafee from your 
computer, no special tool needed. I just did a tandem with Jaws to remove 
mcafee from Ed's computer. I have now used the windows defender built-in free 
anti-virus program on both my computers for the last year, no issues at all on 
either of my computers. When people hear the word free and anti-virus, they 
think they are getting a weak product, this is not true anymore. Why waist your 
money on giant anti-virus programs that do not work well with Jaws, when you 
can use the free windows defender program that works well with Jaws. Again, I 
am speaking to those of you who are running W-10. If you are paying for a 
yearly subscription to an anti-virus program, in my humble opinion, you are 
wasting your money! Again I am speaking from experience, after using windows 
defender for one year on two computers. I used to use mcafee because it was one 
of the better anti-virus programs that used to work well with Jaws, not any m
 ore. Just my two cents worth! Smiles.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 12:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] McAfee Removal

Hi Glen,

Thank you very much!  Trying to get this program shutdown to remove it is a 
total pain in the A**, & its really ticking me off!  LOL Take care.  Mike.  Go 
Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end 
you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Dialup @ 56k
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] McAfee Removal


Hello Mike,
The only safe way to remove any of these weeds is to use the un install tool 
provided by the specific vendor.
In your case, it's called "McAfee Consumer Products Removal tool"; can't speak 
on it's accessibility at all.
HTH
Glen


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On 14-Jul-2017 12:57 pm, Mike B. wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Running Windows 7 Pro 64 bit with Jaws 15.  How the heck do you remove 
> McAfee?!  How do you shut the program totally down?!  I'm trying very 
> hard to remove McAfee, but it's becoming a real pain!  All advice will 
> be greatly appreciated!  Thanks much.
> Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
> Sent from my iBarstool.
> Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In 
> the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
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