Dear Aurelia,
I was not suggesting that we copy an existing jabot. It is simply the case
that some people have expressed concern about the jabot fitting the neck size
and such. Perhaps there are adjustable tabs on the back. My thought was to buy
an inferior jabot as a starting point in the desig
Interestingly, there is an American robe company which features several
judicial collars, but all seem to be for women. They have a rather simple
construction. You may click to see photos of them. I like the lacier ones.
http://www.judicialrobesonline.com/products/index.cfm?fuseaction=showaccess
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Why the President of the IOLI? Isn't this an Arachne idea after all? Of
course, if she is on Arachne at the time of the presentation it would be
appropriate.
Well, I guess it depends on who is clever eno
Fellow Spiders,
Let me draw your attention to the web-site of the Supreme Court Historical
Society http://www.supremecourthistory.org/index.html
Perhaps a source of info? Perhaps a co-sponsor?
Devon
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Thank you Karen for this interesting site regarding legal attire. It not only
tells the history of legal attire, something that will be needed for the
accompanying documentation that Aurelia refers to, but is a company that sells
legal attire.
It seems clear to me that it would be advantageous
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Who would present the lace?
I think a delegation.
The delegation should include whoever is president of the IOLI at that time
(could be years from now since the project is so time consuming) or her deputy,
A
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The first thing that came to mind was stars and strips or variations of
same. Chevrons, stars. I looked and there is a Swedish pattern that has
some very acceptable eagles.a suitable shield shoul
In addition to Ipswich, Native Americans were making lace, the Sybil Carter
lace. However, when it did not feature canoes and things, it was virtuallly
indistinguishable from Belgian Lace. We also had various lace making endeavors
such as the Italian Lace School here in New York which used immig
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Sandra Day O'Connor looks as if she might just have something lacy round her
throat
Be still my beating heart!
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A Supreme Court portrait contained at
http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/0203/June16_03/02_portrait.shtml
shows both female justices in jabots.
Eureka! Have you worked out the design yet Aurelia?
Devon
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If you will go to the following link you will see a picture of Supreme Court
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsbug wearing a jabot. It is not a lace jabot. However,
Ginsburg may represent the thin edge of the wedge in Aurelia's plan to subvert
the US judiciary to lace purposes.
http://search.eb.com/women/
Nine jabots is an awful lot of jabots. Maybe we could limit the honor to
female Supreme Court Judges. This would keep it to a much more manageable number,
she said cynically. I can see it now: The International Old Lacers salutes the
Judicial System in a ribbon across the special commemorative i
I received this answer to the framing question from a young woman at our
museum who has a degree in conservationally correct storage practices. I thought
it might be of interest to the list since obviously a lot of us have thought
about this issue.
That the lace needs to "breathe or it will dry
I am proud of any contribution that I have made in clarifying the role of the
French Bull Dog in the history of lace. Priceless moments such as the
bringing together of Sheila and John Mason, 7th generation machine lace manufacturers
from Nottingham, and Susan Lambiris, of Raleigh to discuss Fre
Judicial attire in the US is very boring possibly reflecting our
anti-aristocratical dogma and a perception that lace is soft and pretty and weak and
that
it ill-suits people who have the power and authority to sentence others to
death or a life-time in jail. However, I have noted that Judge Ju
I have received a question from a woman in New York regarding advice given
about framing her lace. She has a piece of lace that belonged to and may even
have been made by her grandmother. When she visited Brugge she received the
following advice.
"The folks in Brugge recommended that once the m
It seems odd, but many things go into valuation including the ease with which
a dealer can store and carry the item to shows and the ease with which it can
be displayed by the buyer. You often hear that machine made lace is not
valuable because it is mass produced, but Beanie Babies are mass pro
This is an interesting question. I am assuming that we are not talking about
machine made lace that one might like to use on clothing.
I cringe at the thought of cutting up large pieces of handmade lace which
will result in very few such lengths being available to future generations. On
the oth
Vis a vis the difficulty of distinguishing between Flemish and Italian tape
lace, Nora Andries had a very interesting comment. She said that she looks at
the stiches in the tapes and the fillings. (I am going to restate what I
remember here, but my memory is often faulty.) She looks to see if th
Wow! Good spotting Jeri. It is embarrassing to be directed to photos in books
I actually own, but haven't sufficiently studied!
The reference to the Queen Elizabeth portrait at Gripsholm was because an
article in a 1934 Met Bulletin said there was a portrait of Elizabeth there and
that she was w
An arachnid has been kind enough to send me some pictures of Czech lace. One
of them, does in fact have the kind of background that I was describing. It
resembles Valenciennes ground, but it is only made with two pairs, zig-zagging
back and forth and sewing in.
My corresondent says, however, th
There is a beautiful border which is described as being for a wedding apron
in the museum. It is thought to be Flemish dating from the 17th century. I have
been searching for a portrait of a woman wearing a lace or lace trimmed apron
from that era. I have found several aprons on children, but no
What era are we speaking of? Are we speaking of an entire lace dress or one
with a lot of lace on it, collars, flounces, etc? Are you trying to get the
detail of what the lace looks like, or a more vague Gibson Girl effect?
I actually don't know of a web-site with a huge selection of lace clothin
The only mention I have heard of this Masters Thesis is from the Tamara
Duvall e-mail in which she was just leaving for Prague. Perhaps when she gets back
Tamara could tell us how she obtained the Masters Thesis. Perhaps Michelle
Chase is on the list and could tell us how to obtain it.
Persona
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First, I got Michelle Chase's Master Thesis on American (as in: US)
Lacemaking; thanks, Michelle (sorry, I didn't have your e-address in my
addressbook, so couldn't send a private message). Michelle has don
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In an early period in Europe (in the case of the painting at the Met - 1720
in Milan), when printed books were expensive and rare and possibly not very
available to women, it was probably a real treat to have
Currently there is an exciting costume exhibit at the Met in which mannequins
in 18th century attire are set up in salacious poses in the period rooms of
the Wrightsman Galleries. The emphasis is on seeing the costumes and the
furniture together. However an opera designer assisted with it and al
Imagine my surprise when I entered the Metropolitan Museum of Art and saw a
painting of some lacemakers reproduced on a stancheon in the front hall. . To
see this promo picture, which unfortunately is only part of the painting go to
http://www.metmuseum.org/special/se_event.asp?OccurrenceId={983
If anyone is traveling to Belgium and the Netherlands as I have just done, I
will provide the following up to date info.
The Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam is only partially open and this will be the case
for some years. There is no lace to be seen there.
In Brugge, Arendshuis which is actually the sam
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It is a
> country
>with a tropical climate and hardly any places that are air conditioned,
>so I guess it is much too warm for lacemaking!
A woman who learned to make lace in Cuba in the 1960's told me that
My bulletin arrived yesterday to my great surprise because mine was about a
month late along with those of other people in New Jersey last time. Since
then, your hard-working editor Debra Jenny has had a heart-to-heart talk with
representatives at every level of the post office from the big guys
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The machine-made netting that Filet Lace by the Sea (Marie-Jo Quinalt)
sells is knotted. The knot used in both is a simple knot and as such
appears the same in both the hand-knotted and machine-made netting t
Toomer's Antique Lace: Identifying Tips and Techniques is one you could
probably order from your local bookstore. It is published by Schiffer books in
Atglen, PA. They have a website you can order it from www.schifferbooks.com. Go to
http://www.schifferbooks.com/antiques/fabricsandtextiles/07643
Of course, there is the large number of paintings on Lori Howe's lace fairy
site of lacemakers, some of whom are 17th century. This site is
www.lacefairy.com, click on "lacemaking", go to the column on the right hand side,
down at
the bottom under "graphics" and right under that click on "Lacem
I had heard that the entire painting collection of the American Wing is now
on the www.metmuseum.org web-site and it is in fact true. Someday when I have
some time, I should add some of these paintings to the gallery, or start a new
one just with American Paintings featuring lace. These painting
I have added the Keil lacemaker to My Met Gallery. This is a collection of
paintings that I have set up on the Met website for the lace inclined. You go to
www.metmuseum.org. You click to enter. Click on My Met Museum. Enter the name
"lace" followed by the password "lover". Then click on My Met
I haven't read it, but I think the novel by Jean Montupet called the
Lacemaker is one of the few to actually deal with the lives of lacemakers. However, I
believe they are French Needlelacers of the 18th century.
Since the person asked for a "depiction" does she mean a book or a picture?
At the
Since there has been little mail on arachne of late, perhaps bored people
would like to visit this site and enjoy the thumbnails. The e-mail is from Karen
Augusta who is a well known US lace dealer. She writes the descriptions for
the auction.
Devon
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An old issue of Lace (BLS) says that the Lace Room of the St. Carolus
Borromesukerk in Antwerp is open only on Wednesdays, and that tours are available by
advance appointment on Wednesday and Thursday. Does anyone know if this is
still the case, or how I could confirm that information, or for th
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Antwerp was the
source of Pottenkant, a straight lace with long symmetrical repeats which
featured a pot of flowers as the design. Aside from the design style the
grounds of Pottenkant were much the same (wit
The more I think about and read about Binche, the less I think I know what it
is. Only one thing seems to be clear: it wasn't made in Binche. Some people
seem to think it was made in Valenciennes. Bertha Van Doren (Lace Magazine)
seemed to think it was made in Antwerp. As a rule of thumb, I woul
There is a new quilt show that will be airing on PBS starting in June called
M'Liss's Worldof Quilts. The crew and star came to the Ratti Textile yesterday
to film it as a place of interest to quilters. Our boss asked me and Gunnel
to come in and examine some lace under the video microscope in o
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He took special pains to get all this work done for us despite the fact that
he is absolutely swamped with piles of other things to attend to. We are so
lucky to have him and his expertise!
Yes, we are. Three
Dear Susan,
Vis a vis your contention that the political system had no effect on lace
development in the Eastern Block: Will you deny that capitalism killed lace? Why
then should it seem a unlikely that an atmosphere in which market forces are
rejected and rendered null and void would be the onl
I was attempting to photograph some lace with my new digital camera
specifically bought for lace photography- can get within 1.3 inch. My problem was that
my shadow keeps marring the picture as I bend over the lace. How do others
deal with this?
Devon
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Elaine, I am sorry if I gave the impression that the Ratti Center is not
operating. You will be happy to know that we are still providing the access to our
computer data base of 36.000 textiles, 5,000 of them laces, as well as to any
items in the collection, 10 at a time, by appointment. When I
For those who want to know more about the doily art of Kiki Smith, go to
www.MOMA.org. Click on the Kiki Smith exhibit. Then click on the part of this web
presentation that deals with "anatomy" and proceed through it. ( I didn't
mention that Kiki Smith relates doilies to female anatomical parts
Since an earlier discussion involving the 6000 members of the Vologda Lace
Union, I have been wondering more and more about the development of lace and
especially modern lace in the Eastern Block countries. I have an exhibit catalog
La dentelle tcheque de l'Art Deco a nos jours dating from an ex
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My plans are solidifying. I learned there was more interest in such a
facility coming from Arachnes overseas, than from within the U.S.
Very sad.
Devon
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The Cone Sisters, donors to the Baltimore Museum, are a case in point about
how people who collect and people who are museum donors impact museums. The
other lesson to be learned is that when people who distinguish themselves as art
collectors collect lace, lace gets taken seriously.
A little p
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there is something that comes
along in terms of leadership or funding that makes it difficult or impossible
for
the public to have access to the wonders wrought by the people who came
before
us (mostly f
I like the way the seller assumes from the presence of the coin on which the
"back has been smoothed down and engraved "L Battery, R.H.A. Nery, Sept. 1,
1914". Battery" implies that the bobbin was given by a survivor of the battle
to his sweetheart. This is what separates the successful antique
Janet Gillies wrote a little article about this for the publication of the
New England Lace Guild, but I don't know if Janet is still a member.
Devon
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I was just going through my books and realized that there is a Liz Bartlett
who is teaching at the IOLI Convention and that the book "Lace Villages" was
written by a Liz Bartlett. Are they one and the same?
Quite a few years ago I think she had a slide show about the Lace Villages
that I despara
I am very interested to hear about how things are done in other countries. I
also prefer all day classes because you don't have to spend so much of the
class packing and unpacking equipment. I very much like the 24 hour classes at
the convention because when you reach the more difficult laces it
I have returned to the web page of the Keystone Lace Guild (having not yet
received my bulletin) and have found a few more things that I think might be
interesting.
1. There are a lot of teachers from outside the US. Personally, I like the
convention to feature teachers you don't see all the tim
I am sorry that Ruth was deterred by the paper work involved in the current
convention because I would like to meet her. But now, I am even more eager to
see how this convention turns out.
As workshop chairman of a local group for many years I had ample opportunity
to observe how a gifted and ta
Jeri wrote: A carefully-considered plan will help. How about this one?
Year one.
Target young person at convention. Laugh at her jokes. Ask about her
children. Provide advice about how to obtain lace supplies. Ask young person to write
up convention report for local newsletter. Praise her for h
I have been thinking some more about this year's format of the convention
which is clearly designed to make lace instruction available to people who work
and may not want to expend an entire week of vacation on it. It is entirely
possible that this will be successful and that there might be a hi
Although I have not received my Bulletin yet, I went to the Keystone site and
would like to point out three things that they are doing that I hope will be
picked up by future conventions.
1. They are taking credit cards
2. They are counting all registrations received before March 1 as having
arr
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Apparently the
IOLI Convention Committee is in an advisory capacity only,
and only if asked. I will propose a Bylaw change the next time I go to IOLI
Convention, you can be sure! We need Convention and Clas
The projected price is 180-250 of a currency denoted by a C with two cross
hatches. Is that Francs? Euros? What are they or were they expecting for this
Brussels applique fan with carnations?
Although accessories are in a different class than straight lace, I am
constantly asking myself whether
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http://www.coutaubegarie.com/php/catalogue/diaporama_vente.php?id_vente=236
Thanks for posting this site.
I'll take lot 262, thank you.
Devon
who has decided not to go into the Metropolitan today because of
As a glutton for recognition, I find that little kudos such as Janice's and
Tamara's drive me on to perform even more services for the IOLI Bulletin. No
doubt such recognition is also fueling others to exert themselves to make it a
better Bulletin. However, another way the Bulletin could be enco
Sorry. I posted a response to a message on lace-chat to lace. Actually, I
think the subject matter is legitimately lace, rather than lace-chat. So if
anyone is wondering which historical web-site I was referring to, it is:
http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/sfelshin/revwar/lace/lace.html
which a site
The author of this web-site made a visit to the Met last summer. I had
arranged a viewing of laces of the era for her and we also went running at top speed
through all the American oil paintings that dealt with the era while she
sketched and commented. However, if the last updated date June 2003
Thank you Tamara for the insiders view of collectivization. Very interesting.
I had sort of thought that the Vologda Lace Organization was not just an
excuse to drink tea and eat cookies like some lace organizations, but was more
production oriented. I suppose unlike our organizations where the
Going to the site about the Tonder Lace Festival, I read the description of
one of the workshops which contained this line:
"In 1883 the Maria School in St Petersburg was founded and then in 1917 the
Kalinin School in Moscow. It was also at that time that the Vologda Lace Union
was established. In
I also went to the web-site and searched lace in "collections" and got 69
hits. If in fact everything is on the website (not the case at the Met.) it is
not a very impressive collection. My own personal collection is better and I am
not a collector who spends that much money on it. I am not sur
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Textiles are showing signs of edging
their way into the limelight of "art." It's a fight, still; and in some
dim-witted sectors, the art-vs-craft contrast still carries weight. But
ever less so And there a
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So, perhaps, the George Washington panel is something that had been
made along the same lines? "Special", but "curtains" nevertheless?
I am not going to pretend that I understood what Mr. Mason was saying when
Jeri writes
I am very grateful that this panel went to a collector in a position to
preserve it in a fine collection that has been documented. Some of the
copies have
disappeared -- perhaps to fatal fates.
Yes, I think it was the panel that went to Winston Churchill that was later
found i
I guess that an aesthetic criteria for judging machine made lace is still
emerging as well. The Battle of Britain panel is certainly the gold standard for
machine made lace. What makes it special?
I like it because I think it is very interesting visually. Along each side
are great landmarks of L
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It would be difficult to find anyone who
would insure such an item unless solid information could be
produced regarding sales of similar items. And even if
someone could produce a receipt for the purchase of
When Sheila and John Mason visited the Ratti with the panel Mr. Mason
mentioned that Sheila was to appear on "Flog It". Mr. Mason's family has been machine
lace manufacturers in Nottingham for about 8 generations and he has a wealth
of information which he very kindly shared with us about machin
I have become interested in the lace collections that were formed during the
late 19th and early 20th century by wealthy collectors in America and Europe.
I find an interesting trend in that biographies written during that era often
mention the lace collecting of the individual whereas more rece
Although I have visited the lace museum on Burano, I thought I had heard that
a new lace museum had opened in Venice. A friend from the museum is going to
Venice and said she would check it out if I could give her some more details
about how to find it. Can anyone tell me more about it?
Devon
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> I don't think there are any lacemakers who are
> really "famous".
The only lacemakers I can think of that are famous are famous for things
other than lacemaking, for instance, Catherine of Aragon or Ma
I would also be interested in this information. As I stare at the lace in
our collection and wonder if it is actually 15th, 16th or 17th century or
whether it is 19th century, I have to think that an understanding of the thread is
the only way to ever figure this out. I am convinced that techni
Interestingly, we have a piece of lace in the Met's collection which is
supposedly made of human hair. It has been catalogued as something , maybe point
"tresse". I have only seen the catalogue card, not the piece. It is a piece of
needlelace. I think it is entirely white, although I recall see
Karen Thompson has asked me to inform arachne that the phone number to call
for the Smithsonian Lace Tour has changed. It is now: 202-633-3826.
Devon
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Since we are snowed in here, I have been amusing myself looking at the
catalogue for the upcoming Doyle auction which occurs on Dec. 10 and wondering
whether it is worth trying to go. The site is http://www.doylenewyork.com. Lot 982
is a tablecloth which is predicted to go for between $4000 and
I will make the admission that my first design attempt was based on the
Unicorn in Captivity tapestry. I used curly left over thread for the tail and I
placed it against a background of Virgin Ground, a joke that is wasted on
practically everyone. (Tradition has it that a unicorn can only be cap
I was fortunate to find myself in Washington, DC on the first Wednesday of
the month when it is possible, by advance registration made by calling (202)
343-1098 to take a Lace Tour of the Smithsonian. I was taken up to the textile
room where Sheryl DeJong read a script of the history of lace whi
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> We are encouraged, by our culture, to pat ourselves on the back for
> even the tiniest achievement -- and we *do*.
>
> We're used to being dominant (and act accordingly)
>
>
Frankly Tamara, although I
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> To investigate how the international lace industry has changed over the
> past 20 years and to identify those factors that make lace so much more
> popular in the US & Australia that don't occur in the
The first edition of Palliser in 1865 says that Barbara Uttman had the honor
of introducing Bobbin Lace to Germany, not that she invented it.
Devon
In unseasonably hot New Jersey
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I was in Bennington, VT last weekend and stopped in at the Grandma Moses
Museum. In addition to the Grandma Moses things the museum has a hodge podge of
old curiosities on the second floor. Imagine my surprise to see an entire case
full of lace related things. There was a pillow, a "lacemaker's
On October 24, at 2:00 Sheila Mason, author of Nottingham Lace 1760-1950,
owner of the Cluny Lace Co. of Nottingham, and custodian of the Mason collection
of machine-made lace will be coming to the Ratti Textile Center at the
Metropolitan Museum of Art for a viewing of about 10 pieces of machine
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> Considering that the population of Germany
> is less than the U.S. and the IOLI has 1600-1700 members, that means that
> the percentage of lacemakers in the population
I think the fact that the number o
> After Devon reminded me that there are other ways to buy used books
> than on ebay (thanks, Devon ;-) I found a copy of 'Chats on Old Lace
> and Needlework' here in Canada that was only $25 US (the ebay auction
> ended at $57 US!) so I bought it.
>
I think the ebay bidding often stops right a
Have you checked out www.Bookfinder.com? I bought my copy a little while ago,
but it has water damage, as well as other issues. As I recall I opted for the
cheapest one, and there were others at various levels of
intactness/decrepitude with an appropriate sliding price scale. If you are
disasse
As publicity chairman for the IOL convention, I was given the info that we
have, if I recall, 1628 members. Recently Gunnel Teitel turned over to me a
hoard of clippings from all over the country about lace over the last 25 years.
Many of them were reports of IOL Conventions. It was quite striki
There was an article about this lace in OIDFA within the last year or two.
The author could find very few examples of it, partially because some had burned
in the Windsor Castle fire. I looked it up in our catalogue in the Met and
found a number of pieces that had been there since the early 1900
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Dear Angharad,
Thank you for your reply.
Out of curiosity, how was the fiber analysis conducted. Was it necessary to
destroy any part of the lace? Was it done entirely with a mircroscope? Was
there chemical analysis involved? I am fortunate to be a volunteer in the lace
collection of the Metrop
I mistyped Howe for Rowe. Does anyone have an e-mail for him, or must I rely
on snail mail?
Devon
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Does anyone have an e-mail for Bill Howe so that we can discuss currency in
relation to the Battle of Britain panel book?
Devon
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How could I obtain a copy of "The Battle of Britain in Lace" by Bill Rowe?
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Are any of these Battle of Britain Lace panels in the US? If so, are they
accessible?
Devon
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