I have been using Zoom for teaching lace classes for quite a few weeks now,
trying to work out what was best for both myself and my students, not easy when
we all had different combinations of desktop/laptop computers and/or
mac/android devices. With the help of David (DH) I’ve now mounted a
Hi Elena
Re: teaching a left-hander
Being a left-hander, or as my father always put it âa southpawâ, I
frequently have to change hands. When this happens I make the movements
left-handed, watch myself making them and write down what I do. Then I change
the words left and right and work the
Well done Liz. Even though your student took a long time learning to make her
lace Iâm sure she values her ability to make it and will always remember you
with gratitude for the way you would repeatedly go over the same points.
Thatâs teaching and learning.
Happy lacemaking to you both
Alex
Thank you Noelen. As always, you have it exactly right.
Happy lacemaking
Alex
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Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:02 PM
To: 'Alex Stillwell' ; 'Arachne reply'
Subject: RE: [lace] teaching
Thanks for that line Teaching is teaching Alex
To: Jenny Brandis
Cc: Alex Stillwell ; The Lacebee
Subject: Re: [lace] teaching
Hmmm... Replying to a few I am teaching my first (2) students, and
they are bright and eager. One has more troubles than the other. Today,
they both had more problems than usual, and both confessed that they had
Hi fellow Arachnids,
As a retired geography teacher and a lace teacher for more years than I care to
remember (and having taught several other subjects as well during my working
life) I love this poem Noelene. I wholeheartedly agree with Alex and Noelene.
Happy lace making,
Joepie, East
I had a student once, who started out saying she had a learning problem, so
could not go in a regular class. I taught her one-on-one at home, and she
had to do each lesson for about 3 classes, before she 'caught on'. However
we worked away slowly, - and eventually by the end of 6 months or more,
It's still April 30 here in the US, also our National Poem in your Pocket
day! I just printed this out and put it in the drawer of my roller pillow.
Thank you for your writing Noelene!!!Â
As Always,Laura SandisonNew Mexico, USA
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Absolutely spot of Noelene.
Hugs
Jenny B
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Thanks for that line Teaching
Thanks for that line Teaching is teaching Alex, it prompted me to start
writing again.
Teaching Lacemaking.
Teaching is just teaching
Whatever subject might be sought
But if you become a teacher
By your pupils you'll be taught.
Take the task of teaching
Lacemaking from the start
You'll find
If I have answered the same question over five times then the problem is
that I have not answered in a way that that particular student can
understand, not that she has not tried to understand.
Keeping on asking means that she wants to understand and I have to keep on
looking for another way to
This past weekend, at a Society for Creative Anachronism event in Colorado,
USA, I taught my very first lace hands on needle lace class.
I only had two students, and due to the constraints of the event (so much
going on), I wasn't able to give the one lady the extra help she needed
(because she
Hi Arachnids
When I was chairman of the Education Sub-committee and working on the
assessment schedules we worked on the presumption that the Advanced standard
of the Lace Guild Assessments should be that suitable for a teacher. I then
suggested that the Advanced certificate should include the
I have followed the teacher evaluation and qualification thread with great
interest, both as a student and as a teacher.
Janice, I think it is a good idea to provide the evaluation form beforehand
to IOLI teachers - especially the new ones - and also give guidelines to
teachers as to how to deal
, 23 August 2014, 20:42
Subject: [lace] Teaching skills and lace
. Training and practice can only help.
While lace teachers undoubtedly know the subject matter, there is no teacher
training for lace teachers, nor is there the kind of feedback as to the
effectiveness of my teaching
So - maybe the City and Guilds teaching certificates could be more
widely advertised - I certainly enjoyed the experience of the courses,
and I am sure I learned a very great deal too.
are there any courses for 'City and Guilds' Lace making? I thought they
were not being run any more but
The city and guilds teaching certificate is called PTLLS. These days, in order
to take this qualification and use it to teach you are supposed to be qualified
in the subject that you intend to teach.
My understanding is that the city and guilds for lacemaking is no longer run as
as this was
My goodness I didn't mean to start such a debate/vent session. *blush*
My experience with the other lace maker was at a demonstration and I was
new to tatting. I had been taught by the president of our local guild just
a couple months before and I was doing my best to throw myself
wholeheartedly
With children who have good attention spans, I have successfully taught them
simple bobbin lace ( eg snakes, fish etc) at the age of 3.
Sue
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I have always taught beginners for basically the cost of my travel. For more
advanced tuition I charge a little more. I also encourage newbies to join the
local group to get support and offer a list of books to work with for
inspiration.
In addition, for the taster classes that I have been
I feel I must stop lurking and pass on my opinions on this topic.
The best teacher I ever had was the late Marjery Carter, who taught me Bucks
point. She had been a maths teacher, and her opinion was that if you could
teach one subject, then you could teach anything, because you had the
Harris ec...@cix.co.uk
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Subject: [lace] Teaching lace.
The worst teacher I have heard of was the one a friend of mine started with.
She did not let her students start or complete a piece themselves. She began
every piece, and finished every piece. My friend came out
Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net
Subject: [lace] Teaching lacemaking
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On Aug 22, 2014, at 3:14 PM, The Lace Bee thelace...@btinternet.com
wrote:
Just because we have not been trained as teachers is not proof that we are not
capable of being good teachers. There are several
I was very disappointed at first when our classes folded because of numbers
going down because they put the prices too high. But it was a blessing in
disguise, because before when I had a problem I just asked my tutor and she put
me right, but with no teacher I had to sort out my own problems
Well done Sue, but unfortunately not everyone is as positive and determined
as you.
I know that not all the people who were in my classes and who dropped out
one or two at a time, over several price raises, are still making lace. I am
still seeing many of the ones who were able to hang in
In any teaching situation, there are two requirements: knowledge of the
subject, and knowing how to transmit that knowledge to the student in the
most efficient way. It is the second part that is not necessarily as easily
developed as the first. Some have the teaching talent instinctually,
Hi All,
My first experience of a brilliant person who had difficulty passing on the
information she knew was one of my first teachers in Primary School. I need
to point out that the first 5 years of my education were by Correspondence (in
Australia now called Distance Education) so I was about
. Students do not pay
good money to be humiliated!
Catherine Barley
Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catherinebarley.com
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Subject: Re: [lace] Teaching antics
The teacher told us that all the instruction was printed on papers hanging
I hope everyone fills in the comment section of the forms which are handed out
to students at the end of the classes at IOLI conventions, whether good or
bad. Having been to almost all the conventions in the last 18 years, I have
written about poor teachers who did not spend time with all the
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wrote:
As a qualified business trainer who supports people taking their
qualifications for teaching at colleges who is married to a PTLLS holder (the
qualification for teaching vocational skills at collets
Clay,
My apologies and yes the joy of replying from an iPhone with a small screen and
predictive text does affect grammar and punctuation (and sometimes unique words
appear that I didn't mean) which coupled with the fact that as a child of the
70s British educational system I was not allowed
Hello everyone
I have to pipe up, the GBS line is He who can, does; he who cannot,
teaches. and one of many Shaw-isms from his play Man and Superman based
on the Don Juan theme.
Happily it is not in the context of lacemaking, lacemakers nor lace
teachers!
I like better the proverb One in three is
Sallie, I hope you reported the antics of that teacher who cut your bobbins.
What a horrific experience. No one has a right to treat anyone that way,
where one is not willfully being disruptive or uncooperative. I had one IOLI
instructor who appeared to have no interest in teaching me from the
took a class from her again, and needless to say, I do not have any
desire to learn that type of lace.
Becca
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Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:31:07 PM
Subject: [lace] Teaching antics
Sallie, I
What many teachers forget is that people are buying a service from them and as
such are their customers
If I was abused in a shop by the person I wasn't young from I would vote with
my feet and complain to the manager.
We are often too nice to those who bully or fail to provide the level of
I seem to remember it was said that people required a background check for
each class/group taught in different locations. This morning, in the church
coffee lounge I was told the system has changed. The conversation arose
because volunteers for the two summer clubs - one for children and one
That'd be about right volunteers would have to pay themselves I can
foresee people not bothering to volunteer at all!! School crossing patrols for
instance... only work 5 hours per week termtimes only and they'd have to
pay for the check?? Can we really see that working?
Back
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Subject: Re: [lace] Teaching lace - UK background checks
That'd be about right volunteers would have to pay themselves I can
foresee people not bothering to volunteer at all!! School crossing patrols
for
instance... only work 5 hours per week termtimes only
Hi Anna, thank you for your kind words.
This weekend is the local ag show and some of my girls have entered their work,
So it is an anxious time for them.
I enjoy being with them as they are such fun to be around! Tomorrow I will
check out how well they did and take photos of their work.
Jenny, having met you for the first time last year, I'm not at all
surprised that the munchkins keep coming back. You are an inspirational
teacher.
And surrogate grandmother how lovely. There are lots of very young
grandmothers
I must admit i have been surprised that the group has
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. A UNIFIED BACKGROUND CHECK FOR LACE TEACHERS!!
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Dear All
I have experienced this CRB checks and at one time could have papered
the little room with all the certificates for the different things I was
involved in. Not just for working with children but with Vulnerable
Adults. (This covers anyone who finds themselves in a vulnerable
I have been teaching children for 4 years (7-12 yrs old at the beginning) and
although I went and got the australian police clearance called 'working with
children' it has never been asked for.
I teach in my own home each Saturday afternoon and it is purely voluntary on
behalf of the kids. If
Hi all,
Just been catching up on the thread of recent digests and came across Joke
Lyn's messages regarding teaching children.
Lyn wrote: I apologize, but your posting struck me the wrong way. I'm
sitting here with tears of laughter running down my face, thinking, Rats,
my extensive criminal
Dear Lyn,
You gave me an excellent idea. I could use some slave labour to be able to
enter the 5 meter club :)
Just kidding!
It is sad they had to enforce these rules.
Joke
On 8 Jul 2013, at 23:20, lynrbai...@desupernet.net wrote:
Dear Joke,
I apologize, but your posting struck me the
Hi All
Been watching this thread with interest. I am enhanced CRB checked and do hold
a current certificate however here in the UK it would only cover me for
being a School Crossing Patrol! If I wanted to go into school to 'teach' then
I should be CRB checked for that... if I wanted to
I so agree Sue. Look at the cases in recent years where 'abusers' have had
the necessary CRB checks and passed just because they 'lied' or something.
I also believe it is basically a money making exercise. Retired people
have the time and energy to go and teach lacemaking to children in
, Pennsylvania, USA, where the background checks are portable,
says DH. Only need one.
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Sent: Jul 9, 2013 4:32 AM
To: Arachne lace@arachne.com lace@arachne.com
Subject: Re: [lace] Teaching children
Hi All
Been watching this thread
Although I don't agree that you *have to be* a mathematician or scientist etc
to be a good lacemaker, I am reasonably confident that a high percentage of
those people who are bobbin lacemakers do have those inclinations and this may
have been what Alex meant.
Many times I have asked around a
Hi Spiders,
This theme has made me think! I was lucky enough to teach lace at a private
school, in the after-school activities, and had so many children we had to have
a 'helper' for me! I taught the Textiles class, and when some of the parents,
children and staff knew I made lace (I made
by people to help persuade schools
to open the doors have been misunderstood.
Joepie in sunny Sussex, UK
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From: Clay Blackwell
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 1:57 AM
To: Anna Binnie
Cc: alexstillw...@talktalk.net ; Arachne reply ; Lyn Bailey
Subject: Re: [lace] Teaching
On Jul 7, 2013, at 8:00 PM, lynrbai...@desupernet.net wrote:
What skills does lacemaking develop
that will benefit school age children? If you have an idea, please
share.
Off the top of my head: concentration, following instructions, both written
and oral, hand-eye coordination, small
Hello everybody,
It would be lovely if children could have an afternoon to
get to know lacemaking. Unfortunately in the UK and I wouldn#x27;t be
surprised in a lot of other countries, all adults working with or teaching
children need to be CBR checked. This means the person in question has to
Hello Joke and everyone
Your comment says it for me, I notice this also at lace days and other lace
get-togethers:
...But when I look at the lace clubs I go to,
there is no reason for pessimism. Every year I see new faces ...
--
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island,
Dear Joke,
I apologize, but your posting struck me the wrong way. I'm sitting here with
tears of laughter running down my face, thinking, Rats, my extensive criminal
convictions will not let me teach lace to children... I know it's serious,
and probably expensive, but really, lacemakers going
Hello Lyn, and everyone
I volunteer with an out-reach program, visiting schools. As a matter of
course, we agreed to a criminal records check at the onset of volunteering
for the program. It probably helps that my program is sponsored by a
creditable arts institution that can cover the expense of
Joke wrote:
Also parents nowadays expect all adults, who work with children in
after school activities or clubs, to be CBR checked as well.
In Australia anyone who works with children needs to get a police check
done. It is standard for teachers, ancillary staff, volunteers and
sports
Hi Lyn
Re: Subject: [lace] Ancillary to Teaching Lace to Children
Teaching lace to children is part of the survival of lacemaking. I have
always thought that lacemaking, especially geometric Torchon, has the ability
to help the mind work mathematically..
I am sure you are right. The best
quickly.
From: alexstillw...@talktalk.net
alexstillw...@talktalk.net
To: Arachne reply lace@arachne.com
Cc: Lyn
Bailey lynrbai...@desupernet.net
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM
Subject: [lace] Teaching children
Hi Lyn
Re: Subject: [lace] Ancillary
quickly.
From: alexstillw...@talktalk.net
alexstillw...@talktalk.net
To: Arachne reply lace@arachne.com
Cc: Lyn
Bailey lynrbai...@desupernet.net
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM
Subject: [lace] Teaching children
Hi Lyn
Re: Subject: [lace] Ancillary
Dear Alex et al,
Precisely. It could be an 'in' at schools. I have not had any close
connection with school children for over 10 years, but girls especially are
not inclined to math. Presenting lacemaking, especially bobbin lacemaking
as a way to develop spatial thinking, (physics?) or
I was lucky enough to demonstrate with my local group at a recent 'county'
event. One of the group brought a 'have a go' pillow along and we asked anyone
passing if they would like to try lacemaking.
Adults and children alike tried the pillow. The adults would do a row and stop
but the
I am astonished that no one has challenged the notion that people with
superior math/science/computer programming skills make the best
lacemakers!! It may be that those who are making the claims happen to
have those skills, but being able to execute a lace pattern is not the
same as making it
I no longer have a child in school, but I was talking to an elementary
school teacher the other day. She made the interesting claim that now that
penmanship is being de-emphasized in favor of key boarding, she observes that
the children are not developing fine motor skills as in the past. In
Dear Clay, et al,
So, which horizons specifically would be broadened? If one is trying to
promote lacemaking as a skill capable of developing other capabilities of the
mind, to persuade educators and others to help with teaching children by
promoting the craft, providing space, all that, one
It seems as though Scandinavian schools, in the past at least, had a
crafts curriculum. When I was young a girl moved to our neighborhood from
Norway. She had a complete set of doll clothes that she had knitted. When I
asked
her about it, she said she had knitted them in school. Why don't
I wouldn't try to promote lacemaking as a way to develop other tangible life
skills. The outcome is entirely dependent on the individual. What excites
one person may drive another crazy. Don't let lacemaking go the same route as
the forced piano lessons of childhood!
Clay
Sent from
Hello Clay and everyone
Yes, learning to make lace is best by choice. I like this :
... Don't let lacemaking go the same route as the forced piano lessons of
childhood!
--
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada
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Yes, but didn't this start out as a conversation about how to make that
choice available to children in the face of an unsympathetic school district
that would not allow the posting of an A2 piece of paper announcing the
availability of children's lace lessons?
Devon
Hello Clay and
Good evening
I have spent the last two days demonstrating lacemaking at our local garden
centre which is really a converted greenhouse on what is probably the hottest
weekend on this year's English summer and am happy to say that not only did we
encourage one teenager yesterday to make a fish
Well done! I hope they do come to your group.
Joepie.
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Good evening
I have spent the last two days demonstrating lacemaking at our
Thanks to Lauren, who tipped me off that this discussion was going on! I
don't know if my experiences and thoughts might be useful, but here they
are, in no particular order:
I teach students to use computers in a small, private elementary school.
Because it is private, we are not tied to the
Dear Maureen,
Congratulations on a job well done. That took a lot of work, preparing and
then being there, enticing, saying the right thing, encouraging. That is the
way we will get our beloved craft/art to continue. Lyn
Maureen wrote:
I have spent the last two days demonstrating lacemaking
On 7/07/13 11:13 PM, Clay Blackwell wrote:
I am astonished that no one has challenged the notion that people with
superior math/science/computer programming skills make the best
lacemakers!!
I've just logged on and yes I was totally affronted with that statement
too. Let me put it in
Thanks, Anna!! I appreciate another voice who understands what I have
said!! Generalities just don't apply to those who are skilled at making
lace!
Clay
On 7/7/2013 8:03 PM, Anna Binnie wrote:
On 7/07/13 11:13 PM, Clay Blackwell wrote:
I am astonished that no one has challenged the
If we get the lacemaking club to be on a par with the chess club, we will
have succeeded beyond my wildest dreams. Probably beyond the wildest
dreams of anyone. Let's begin by getting schools to allow a poster
advertising a separate lace club. What skills does lacemaking develop
that will
In the past I taught dozens of children from about age 5 years through
teens to make bobbin lace. The most fun was with a group of 10 six grade
boys. The teacher said Good Luck and closed the door! These 12-year old
boys made their own lace tell and had great rhythm and were extremely proud
of
Hello All
Our group here in East Yorkshire have been demonstrating lace today and are
back again tomorrow, at a Garden Centre in Dunswell, just outside of Hull.
This morning we had a lady who was very interested, and we're keeping our
fingers crossed that she takes it further... while she
Well Done Sue!! Keep up the good work
Daphne Norfolk Uk
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Subject: [lace] Teaching at IOLI convention
Maria wrote:
Do you really mean she might be invited to teach in MN in 2012? Martina
would love to.
I would think that the hosts of the Minnesota convention have their teacher
list
Maria wrote:
Do you really mean she might be invited to teach in MN in 2012?
Martina
would love to.
For those interested in having a look at Martina´s
book, here is the link
http://www.wolter-kampmann.de/verlag.html
I wish you
all a nice weekend !
I would think that the hosts of the Minnesota
Hello Clay and everyone else
Clay you hit the nail on the head when you said you could possibly
show a beginner how to make lace.
Of course any of us can do that and it would keep the craft of lace alive if
each of us only ever taught one new lacemaker.
The rewards are tremendous, and
On 27/09/2010 10:12, Daphne Martin wrote:
Hello Clay and everyone else
Clay you hit the nail on the head when you said you could possibly
show a beginner how to make lace.
Of course any of us can do that and it would keep the craft of lace alive if
each of us only ever taught one
Just another thought... maybe this woman was so impressed that it was
more on
the line of lace being so much more impressive than *just* crafts.? Just
a thought.
bobbi
How infuriating to have our craft belittled like that. We often
travel
through Thornton le Dale so I may have to go
Unfortunately because of the shopping channels crafting seems to be
regarded as mainly card making with a bit of scrap booking thrown in and
any other craft is disregarded. Not that there's anything wrong with
either - I'm all for people doing something creative in any form - but I do
wish
It just goes to show.But they do have lace demonstrations in that
general area so she obviously wasnt 'in the know'!! There are classes all
around her!!!
Maureen
E Yorks
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Years ago I was told that each lacemaker should teach seven people. That way
there's a good chance that at least one of those seven will continue with the
art and teach others. Not everyone who learns the basic lessons becomes
addicted. G
Alice in Oregon who is addicted to lace and
Daphne,
You should have related that lacemaking is a fine art or fiber art. I, and
many lacemakers in the USA, consider crafts differently than lacemaking.
Cardmaking, wooden lawn orrnaments, box making, and the sort of things that can
be sold at craft fairs as crafts. Do lacemakers go to
Hello Betty Ann and everyone
They *could* - my introduction to lacemaking was seeing someone
demonstrating it at a craft fair! I signed up for lessons (c. 1987).
Some lacemakers make small lace items to sell for charity fund-raising.
The word 'craft' has taken on different meanings. Because I
We have in the past discussed whether lacemaking is art or craft.
For my two penn'th I'll suggest that it is craft when you are working a pattern
designed by someone else, or an adaptation of another pattern, but art when you
have designed and made the lace from scratch as a one-off piece.
pene piip wrote:
But Jo Edkin's has a wonderful site where you can learn all about
bobbin lace.
I know a tatter who has been teaching herself using this web-site.
Jo Edkins' Lace School: http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/index.htm
I love Jo's site. This is where I have learned most of the
Great idea, but not just for youngsters.
I live in Spain and belong to a group of English ladies (most of us
won´t see 60 again) who are all interested in crafts in general. Over
the last 7 years I´ve introduced quite a few ladies to lacemaking and
have developed a series of beginners
of learning bobbin lace. Since I don't do much lace teaching, but I do want
to encourage youngsters to learn lace making, I'm happy to teach them for
free, but I do ask them to join the local lace group, even if they can't
attend meetings at first. I want them to get connected with other resources
Dear Julie and all lace friends,
This is a laudable initiative and I congratulate you!
Let us know how to add the info on our local groups, so I can add the
Toronto Lacemakers' info and encourage the people from other groups
in my area to put their details on your resource website.
As to
But Jo Edkin's has a wonderful site where you can learn all about
bobbin lace.
I know a tatter who has been teaching herself using this web-site.
Jo Edkins' Lace School: http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/index.htm
Pene in Estonia
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Indeed, Jo's site is an excellent resource, and we should point people to
it. But it's a little different from the project I'm envisioning; it's more
aimed at the student, for one thing. I'm thinking more of a resource for
teachers, and especially one that is collaborative. The purposes overlap,
Dear Julie,
What country are you writing from? Or did I miss it somewhere?
Are you aware of the Young Lacemakers in the UK?
The Lace Guild in the UK has been working with young people for years.
April's minutes of the 34th Annual General Meeting gives the dues schedule
for Young
When I have groups of students at my school I begin with a sampler of
different stitches to analyse the structural qualities and visual effects of
each so that the students begin to build a vocabulary of stitches with which
they will express their own ideas. Then I pass immediately to an
Dear all,
Many thanks for all the helpful comments and suggestions on teaching bobbin
lace to beginners, both here on the list and via off-list e-mail. I will be
writing individually shortly, however I wanted to say a public thank you
first.
I just this minute got a copy of the Fouriscot book I
learning tool.
They can see just how each pair/thread moves.
Lorri
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Hi all,
I have two colleagues who have
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