withdrawing my bid even though I did know what I was
bidding on.
Jean Nathan
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Clay wrote:
Now help me out here... If you offer something for sale and
no one offers the price you want, don't you usually lower
the price? Is there something else going on here that I
don't understand?
Ah, but the first time the pillow was offered with a starting price of $50
it had an
I love bone bobbins, but the expression of my enthusiasm was curbed by a
vegetarian member of my lace class, who will not consider using or
collecting any bone items. Until then it hadn't occurred to me that anyone
could have an
objection to bone in general or even to bone from particular animals.
I love bone bobbins, but the expression of my enthusiasm was curbed by a
vegetarian member of my lace class, who will not consider using or
collecting any bone items. Until then it hadn't occurred to me that anyone
could have an
objection to bone in general or even to bone from particular animals.
Here's yet another item attributed to lacemaking - why is it always
lacemaking? Why not millinery or something like that?
My first thought was a spool, but I then rejected that idea unless it's a
spool holder for two spools of thread. Looks like it has a pointed end to
stick into something. But
I understand that crochet stitches, although worked the same, have different
names in the US and UK. Don't know which system is used in other countries:
US
UK
single crochet (sc)
double crochet (dc)
half double crochet (hdc)
half treble (htr)
double crochet (dc)
treble (tr)
treble or triple
Sharon wrote:
what's a Spanish fan?
The Spanish fan is also known as a fir tree fan. There's an example in a a
rather nice free torchon pattern to download on the Australian Lace Guild
Web site:
http://www.austlaceguild.org/pages/patterns.htm
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The members' email from Batsford, and curiosity as to which books I could
get a 15% discount and free shipping, was how I was led to find out that
Angela's book had been released.
The email also contained the statement:
If you no longer wish to receive monthly updates on your chosen subject
I learned something that I didn't realise a couple of days ago. Copyright
applies to paintings in just the same way as books. So if the artist has
been dead for more than 70 years both the painting and the artists's
signature are out of copyright and it's perfectly legal to have a copy made,
Does anyone know this book? I haven't come across it before. How does it
compare with other beginners torchon books.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3538973952category=112
4rd=1
or search for item number 3538973952
It's UK only, but with a start price of just 2 pounds fifty
The reason I flagged this book and asked if anyone could comment on it,
wasn't for myself. Having been making lace for 6 years now, I think I left
the beginner stage about two years ago :-) Yes really.
I thought that, at the price it was being offered, it might be useful for
someone starting out
A collection of 34 decorated bone bobbins on ebay. Start price $500 (reserve
not met) or buy them now for $2,000:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3234790883category=114
Although I've only got a couple of the simpler type, I dread to
think what my bobbins (or yours) are worth.
Untitled DocumentSorry to post this to both lists, but it is very important
for anyone who buys or sells on ebay and not everyone who does so is on both
lists. If anyone has any comments, please send them to lace-chat so as not
clog up lace with an off-topic discussion.
I received the following
This was once a very attractive item. the lace is not the colour it used
to be. is, I think, a bit of an understatement, but it's still an
interesting piece.
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I noticed a copy of the above on ebay. There are also several secondhand
copies available both in the US and UK, some extremely cheap. The cover
looks interesting, but what's inside? The description on ebay says You'll
be inspired to try your hand at wall hangings, lace blouses, belts,
necklaces,
Thanks for the opinions on the Kliot book. As I'm not into this modern
stuff ie unstructured, or made with anything other than a smooth cotton or
linen thread, I'll give it a miss.
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I've made three lace fans so far - just finished one which is just a torchon
edge strip with beads from La Encajera to get back into doing Torchon after
completing a couple of Milanese pieces.
I use Mighty Tacky Glue (might not be called exactly that, but it always has
tacky in the name). It's a
In her chapter on repairing fans, Nancy Armstrong in The Books of Fans
lists Durofix, Evostik, Cascamite, Aerolite, Copydex, Araldite, Calaton,
Cellofas and pastes such as Gripfix, as suitable adhesives either for
repairing or attaching paper fan leaves to sticks.
For lace fans, she suggests
This looks more like a toilet roll hold to me than a 'vintage sewing bobbin
thread winder':
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Barbara wrote:
2. British friends, what does wotcher mean?
It's a friendly way of saying Hello. Very slang. I think it might come
from What are you doing? because there's also Wotcher doin'? but I'm not
sure.
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Having finished the extension to my 22 inch round pillow, which works very
well (and having dropped it end-on on my foot), I'm now going back to the
Intermediate Torchon Assessment for the UK Lace Guild that I started last
year. I got a couple of samples done before it was interrupted by my
While thumbing through all my torchon books to get different slants on
coronet fans, I noticed a picture of bobbin winders on page 23 in 'Torchon
Lacemaking' by Elizabeth Wade with the caption A reproduction bobbin winder
kindly lent by Iona Thomas, and a modern nylon bobbin winder. The bobbins
Clay wrote:
Do any of you know of it? Is it a first
effort, or a reprint of something which had another name?
Bobbin Lacemaking was first published in 1983, and I have a 1985 reprint
with an orange colour, and I think that was the first cover design. There
have been at least two other cover
This is a bit different:
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Would have thought the appeal is a bit specialised.
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IMHO this book is well worth having:
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or search for item number 3543495034
By Bridget Cook, text in English, German, Dutch and French
Starts with a sample of 20 grounds and 24 different spiders, then a series
of
Michelle wrote:
Years ago someone on Arachne posted a clear picture and instructions
somewhere on the 'net about how to do the reef knot method with third hand,
when you have a broken thread.
Don't know if this is what your looking for - the diagram of the weavers
knot is certainly clear:
A small and useful item for removing dust and lint from pillows is the round
brush that fits in the palm of the hand intended for cleaning the compost
off mushrooms. Lakeland, at least, used to sell one.
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I know it's in the UK and not in Canada, but I got superb service from
Wolfin Textiles Ltd, who are currently advertising in 'Lace'. I actually
found them on the web. I was looking for something fine but stiff on which
to tack an old fan leaf to keep it stable. I emailed saying what I wanted to
do
There's a whole lot of information on making leaves and tallies from past
discussions on Arachne on Lori's web site:
http://lace.lacefairy.com/Gallery/Makingleaves.html
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Not being anything like an expert in telling hand-made from machine-made
lace. These two pieces just don't have the feel, if you know what I mean,
of hand made. The yardages being sold also make me suspicious.
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Katrina wrote:
RA destroys the synovial lining in the joints- this is
what leads to the deformity of the joints.
I've had RA for eleven years. For the first five it was one DMARD 3 times a
day, and then it started to get away. I have frequent flare-ups even on 2
different DMARDS,
I did a quick google, and it appears that 60 years is diamond, the next on
most sites is 75 years, but again diamond (just a bigger one). I did find
one that says that 70 years is platinum though.
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Annette wrote:
If I decide
to try a bolster pillow, does anyone know of a supplier in the UK?
Depends on the type of bolster you want. You *should*, but that doesn't
necessarily mean you can, buy a bolster in the UK since that was what the
old lacemakers in Buckinghamshire and Bedfordshire used
There are instructions for 2 methodsof making a bolster pillow at:
http://lace.lacefairy.com/PillowsBobbins/CradleBolsterPillow.html
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Arachne information is available on Lori's lace fairy site:
Do's and Don'ts
http://lace.lacefairy.com/Arachne/Arachne.html
FAQs on various aspects of lacemaking (but not on Arachne):
http://lace.lacefairy.com/FAQs.html
The Arachne web page is:
http://www.arachne.com/
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I was taught how to join lace when I did a City Guilds in Dressmaking and
Pattern Cutting, taught by a lady who, in 1934, worked on the hand-sewn
trousseau for the Princess Marina who died in the UK in 1968.
The method was to place right side to right side, and using a thread of a
colour to
The inner packet of cereal boxes used to be grease-proof paper (nice and
waxy), but now they all seem to be going for foil.
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This looks more like a fat stiletto to me rather than an honest
lacemakers' bobbin:
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It's not Bruges - the flowers, leaves and filling aren't typical of what I
know as Bruges.
I'd also say it's not Honiton - none of the elements, or fillings are right,
and it's much too coarse.
Wouldn't like to say what it is though, as my knowledge is limited.
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Clay wrote:
This looks like another piece of the same lace... and while
the seller calls it a collar, they also mention that The
very edges appear to have been slightly stiffened - may have
been to prevent drooping? I think it's from where it was
glued to the end sticks of a fan!
The inner
Clay wrote:
I realize that this book has been re-released, but for 3
pounds you could get the hardback!!
It appears that one of the prickings is missing in the hardback (might only
be one edition) - so my lace teacher and another member of the class say. So
when I got my softback, they
The bead shop off Regent Street was called Ells and Ferrer or Ells and
Ferrier. The beads, sequins and imitation jewels were georgous. They sold
bags of what they called sweeping - supposedly bags of mixed loose beads
that had escaped and been swept up off the floor but they were too clean for
On ebay there's a spiral bound copy of Introduction to Bobbin Lacemaking
by Rosemary Parkin located in Australia. Doesn't give the date of
publication. The braids on the front cover are the same as on the book of
the same name by Rosemary Shepherd, although the cover design is different.
Now I've had a bit more time to google, the name of the bead shop off Regent
Street was in fact Ells and Farrier (not Ferrier as I'd wrongly remembered).
They changed their name to Creative Beadcraft Ltd, and their web site for
mail order is:
http://www.creativebeadcraft.co.uk/
They still have
'Antique' in the UK is over 100 years old, so anything after 1903 is classed
as vintage, but I don't think there's any rule about how young something has
to be to be vintage. So something described as vintage could be last week's
vintage or as old as 99 years, although some eras have their own
Having been thinking about it during the day is an 'inverter' what we'd call
a 'transformer'? It transforms mains voltage of 220 volts down to lower
voltages like (for instance) the 9 volts you get from a battery. So my
laptop will either run from a battery or from the mains with a transformer
in
I always understood that it was infringement of copyright to reproduce
images of British stamps without permission of the Royal Mail. Don't know
about other countries stamps.
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Sorry, my previous email should have gone to chat, although the topic will
be appearing on lace. Kep you guessing til it does.
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There's an old pillow and some bobbins for sale on bay with a piece of lace
in the making. The pillow's interesting in that it's almost shaped like a
large football (soccer ball) and has a doughnut stand. But what I find
particularly interesting are the continental-style (in the loosest
Devon wrote:
I am also in a quandry
because many of these items from the 20's have negligible value, but they
are now
80 years old. What should people be doing with them? Should they use them,
in
which case, can anything 80 years old actually withstand washing, even let's
say 4 times a year after
The only problem with this book on ebay is that I think the person who
wanted it is in the UK, and the seller will only ship to the US and Canada.
Can be got round if the person wanting it can arrange for an Arachnean in
the US to take delivery and send it on. Paying in US dollars won't be a
In my first lace class there had been a lady who'd been making lace for
several years and who ,according to the rest of the class, was very
competent in several types of lace. She'd had to leave the class when she
moved out of the area, and the teacher in the class she then joined made her
go back
My publisher told me that the break-even point for book sales/publishing
costs is 300 copies, and they won't normally publish anything unless they
can sell at least that number. Obviously they want to sell more to make a
profit, but the philosophy of the company is that even a small interest
group
Marcie wrote:
A greedy (or uncaring)
publisher or uncaring (or hateful) relative could bury our work in much
the same way as Miss Channer's work is being buried... for nearly 3/4 of
a century after we die, or longer if a corporation can get hold of the
copyright! I appreciate Vivienne and other's
There are six copies of Lace Friends of Luton Museum Bobbin Lace pattern
book for sale on ebay at a 'Buy-it-now' price of just 70 pence plus postage.
Description:
Lace Friends of Luton Museum Bobbin Lace pattern book with a variety of
original patterns in Torchon, Bedfordshire, Honiton, Bucks
Jenny wrote:
Could replies be posted to the list, the dolphin leaping over a midland
bobbin is the emblem of my lace group (Moray Lacemakers)
Is there some significance in the relationship between the dolphin and
bobbin lacemaking? I ask because the emblem for Poole Bobbin Lace Circle is
a
YSandra wrote:
Fee is right
(depending on age $10.00 or $20.00 for the younger under 50 crowd- sometimes
it pays to be older).
Is that typical of the cost of lacemaking classes run by school districts in
the
adult education department?
Through adult education, I've got a choice of a 2 hour x 24
I always understood 'stroppy' to be short for obstreperous, which means
turbulent or unruly, but my dictionary says it's origin is unknown, and that
it means bad tempered or awkward to deal with (which means the same thing as
obstreperous).
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Poole used to charge anyone over 60 not working the senior citizen fee, but
since they had to give men over 60 half price bus travel cards, they've put
the sc charge for classes back up to 65 for men. Bournemouth has it still at
60 for both sexes.
Poole won't run a class if there are less than 12
There's a copy of the above on ebay, starting price 5 pounds. Seller will
post to the Uk only, but if anyone in the US or elsewhere is desperate, I'm
willing to take delivery and post on, but the postage from the seller to me
would be 2 pounds, and it will be a lot more to post on outside the UK.
If the pricking published by Ruth Bean is Patricia Bury's copyright, as it
looks like it is, then that puts a totally different complexion on things.
It will remain her copyright until 70 years after her death. If she has the
same type of contract that Rosemary Shepherd and Jane Atkinson had, and
I've had a quick search through the obvious places I might find a dolphin or
bobbin pricking, and found the following dolphins:
'Lace' No 78 (blue cover) April 1995 - 'Arion astride the Dolphin' by Freda
Bull
'Lace' No 99 July 2000 - two dolphions, one staight, one arched
'100 New Bobbin Lace
Doesn't look like the person who spangled these knows what spangles are for.
And what a price for 'a set' of plain bobbins and a book.
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I keep thinking about using a computer, but still haven't made up my mind
which way to go. I've got CorelDraw, but until someone tells me how to make
the page full size and put a dot on it (and I used to teach computing!!)
just to get me started, I don't seem to have time to start exploring that.
Tamara wrote:
The UK has long had one (the CG, I
think it's called?), which takes care of the UK lacemakers, and The
Lace Guild has developed a proficiency program for specific lacemakig
techniques (those log books?) which are available to *everyone*, no
matter where they're placed.
The UK
Aurelia wrote:
But it's also time we got past Miss Channer's mat! For the last 3 or 4
weeks I've been trying to get people to notice --other! more beautiful!
more challenging! less bobbin-laden!!-- pieces. F.i., Misses Sivewright
Pope (ed. Christine Springett)
I've not made any Bucks Point, but
Poole Bobbin Lace Circle had it's bi-monthly meeting last night. We had an
extremely interesting talk on Arab dress (loads of cross stitch) and
jewellery, which I thoroughly enjoyed.
The disappointment was that we had a bookseller present, and I didn't buy a
single book. Apart from Mrs Palliser
The problem with the word 'craft' is that to most people this means going
into somewhere like 'Hobbycraft' (who call themselves the 'craft superstore'
and you all apready know my opinion of what they sell) picking up a kit, or
loose materials if you really know what you're doing, and completing
Betty Ann - I recently bought a couple of these daisy winders (just because
I like these old things) from:
Miki's California Yarn Sales
9542 Hamilton at Bushard.
Huntington Beach, CA 92646
Tel:714-965-0018
Fax:714-964-4059
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shown on their web site page:
Hornsby's in the UK do sell gold tape described as lace tape for working
Brussels lace (otherwise known as Battenburg, Fagotting, Tape lace):
Type 5 silver 7 mm plain edge
Type 6 gold 7 mm plain edge
Type 9 silver 10 mm plain edge
Type 10 gold 10 mm plain edge
Type 11 silver 8 mm plain edge
Type
Yesterday I was talking to a bookseller in Lancashire who specialises in
selling books for the City and Guilds Embroidery course. He said that
applicants for the course used to be interviewed to see if they had the
necessary aptitude in design, colour and basic technical skills, and that
students
I've tried making sewing with a crochet hook, a latch hook, a straight lazy
susan, a bent lazy susan and the tool that Tim Parker sells (which is like a
crochet hook but has a round cup to pick up the thread rather than a
V-shape).
The only one I get on with is the bent lazy susan. It's a case of
As Binche is a Belgian lace, 'Witches Work' must be an English translation?
Finding the original words in their original context, and having a lacemaker
fluent in French look at them might provide a more detailed answer.
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A further thought.
Jeri quoted:
Once you have mastered this technique, you can design your own Point
de Fees, the fabled *Witches Work* which is the finest achievement of Binche
lace.
A quick goodle search came up with:
http://www.art-estherbrassac.com/anglais/tech_a/lace4.html
mentions
I sure would enjoy sitting just 9 inches off the ground on the 1780
lacemakers stool on ebay:
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Perhaps you sit with your legs straight out in front with your pillow
resting on them.
Or I suppose the seller could mean a footrest. Then why not say so. And of
course only lacemakers would need one.
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So presumably lacemakers could only make lace sitting on such a stool while
they could get down to sit on it and, more difficult, get up from it.
That would mean that I'd never have started lacemaking 7 years ago as I
haven't been able to get down that low for the past 10 years, or get up from
it
There's an example of silly bidding on ebay. The bidders obviously haven't
either tried or managed to find out what this pillow costs new. It's a wide
three block (11 and a half inch wide blocks) that looks as if it's the one
sold by SMP for 16 pounds as a kit without fabric, or 30 pounds
Sue wrote:
I'm just starting to work from Edna Sutton's book Bruges FLower Lace.
One
of the techniques shown is called Four-About-The-Pin edge. Is this the
same
as a footside?
Four about the pin is a footside, but it's not worked the same as a torchon
footside.
If you photocopy and colour in
This certainly isn't a lace bobbin - there's nowhere to wind the thread. I
don't think it's a stilleto because the point's rather short and the taper's
a bit steep. Thought there might be a stanhope (magnifying glass with tiny
pictures of scenes of a town or village) in the blunt end, but the
Sorry - forgot to say that Lullingstone Silk Farm used to be situated in
Lullingstome, Kent, but it was moved to the Worldwide Butterflies site at
Sherbourne and incorporated into it in 1978.
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I wonder if sales of lace stuff on ebay is any indication about what's going
on?
A year or so ago, anything lace sold well, especially books and bobbins of
any kind. Now books like Pam Nottingham's 'Technique of Bobbin Lace' and
Bridget Cooks' 'Torchon Lace Workbook', 'Modern Lace Design' by
I seem to have created the impression that I think it's odd for men to make
lace - I don't. I know at least three male lacemakers personally, and they
all make superior lace to me. It was the expression 'man made lace' that
tickled me, putting a gender on the maker
(so there should obviously also
The first time I used clear vinyl, I couldn't see where I'd cut the hole and
had to search for it. Then, having bought a large amount of the colourless
vinyl, I cut another one, but first stuck a circle of the matt blue film we
use to cover prickings onto the vinyl before cutting. Then I cut the
I was in Hobbycraft this afternoon (went to get a polystyrene head), and i
the section of the storeI was in, one of the assistants was putting House of
Crafts kits on the shelves, including their lacemaking kit, which I've said
before consists of a polystyrene roller which fits into a cut-out in
I think the black silk leaves and flowers in Chantilly lace are absolutely
gorgeous. Can anyone recommend a good instruction or pattern book -
hopefully that's still in print?
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Described as Antique Lace Sewing Bobbin Wood Ivory THING ! - has anyone
*any* idea what it is and what it's for?
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Well, here's a novel use for opening rings. We used to have these in various
sizes for hanging stirrup leathers, hay nets, etc on for display when we
sold horse tack back in the early 80s.
This person is saying they're for 'project threads together'. I assume she
means the flat plastic or card
I believe that spiral inscription bobbins that read from top to bottom or
from right to left are done that way deliberately and are called 'puzzle
inscriptions' because the natural instinct is to read from left to right and
from bottom to top, and until it's realised that they must be read the
DH, a former lecturer in engineering materials tells me that whether steel
rusts or not depends on whether there is free iron in it. Rust is oxidised
iron. Moisture and oxygen causes iron to rust. Steel is a carbon/iron alloy.
If the iron has been converted to austenite, the steel will not rust.
Marcie wrote:
Aren't most high-quality (modern) stainless pins nickel-coated to
inhibit rusting?
Tim Parker sells an extensive range of pins including yellow brass,
stainless steel, nickel plated steel and nickel plated brass. The nickel
plated steel won't be stainless steel (austenitic) which
David wrote:
A woman in the USA is crocheting my grandfather's baby bonnet and tells me
that over there Coats no longer make the thread I recommended, which was
Coats-Mercer crochet cotton #40.
It seems that Coats have renamed their crochet threads Floretta and
Eldorado. Details of current
I don't think Springetts lace college is currently functioning, but they
still do attend lace fairs like Havant. Don't know about workshops or
demonstrations.
Linda and Jeremy Fountain bought out the Springetts lacemaking supplies
business (bobbins, kits, books, videos, etc), but it's only Linda
Tamara wrote:
calling it treen (instead of just
plain wooden) doesn't make it old...
TV programmes about antiques have taken over from cookery programmes in that
there's at least one on every day (frequently two). They always refer to
wood as treen, so that's one of the things I meant about
This is going back a bit to when 'that mat' was being discussed, and
mention was made of the book by Christine Springett of prickings from the
works of Misses Sivewright and Pope. I referred to the pricking of the cape
(it was actually 'cope' in the book) and that there was no photograph of the
I'm happy to hear that CD2 is ready, and I was planning to order both CD1
and CD2, but the UK is just being hit by a postal strike. It's not in all
areas of the country at the moment, but it is spreading. The problem is with
post going through an area where the postal workers are already on
The postal workers have gone back to work, but it's estimated that it will
take several weeks to clear the back log. Having said that, I've had no
trouble with mail that I've posted being delivered, and I've received all
that's been posted to me as normal so far.
Jean in Poole
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Helen wrote:
I still don't think you can use Guild membership numbers as an accurate
guide to how popular lace is in a country.
I agree with this. Poole Bobbin Lace Circle has over a hundred members, but
probably less than half belong to the UK Lace Guild.
Jean in Poole
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I got mine from Homefree - they put booklets in magazines and are also
on-line at:
http://www.homefree.co.uk
Search for table or item number QA5876, and it's shown for use over a bed,
but it can be used with any chair as well, and it's called a 'table valet',
but it's only available from them
Here's an electric bobbing winder on ebay. Seems to have only one speed
and the seller says you stop it by putting your hand on the motor disc.
Might be difficult to wind spangled bobbins. Doesn't say what the voltage
is, but I assume that as he's in the UK, it's 220-240 volts.
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