From: Bev Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm all for labour-saving steps - I seldom pre-prick a pattern, but if I
do, it is when the pricking is in place on the pillow.
There are times it becomes pretty important. For example, I find it very
hard to get pins accurately placed on roller
From: Karen Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Similarly, the inexpensive polystyrene pillow I bought to try Honiton
developed a hole in the centre. It is still usable, with pieces of green
baize packing the hole, but as I've since bought a traditional Honiton
pillow, it is only used
From: Tamara P. Duvall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You don't view yor pricking from the same angle when you prick on a
corkboard set flat on a table and when you prick on a pillow; you're
less likely to be *accurate* when pricking on a pillow.
I'm not convinced this is necessarily so. May vary
From: Tamara P. Duvall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Some of the men associated with lacemaking were designers, and one of
them (Thomas Lester) could be considered famous, if only in lacemaking
circles...
One thing nobody's mentioned yet--in those days, it was rare for a woman to
own a company or
From: Patricia Dowden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
How do you all make nice graceful picots? Single thread, double thread,
Flanders? Would a larger pin make a better picot? Sigh . . .
Some people do use a larger (sometimes, much larger) pin, or two pins.
Robin P.
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA
From: Tamara P. Duvall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
But what if, instead of lifting the left, I were to raise the right? The
number of twists before and after might need to be adjusted, of course, but,
would it flip the lace so that one'd be facing the wrong side (flatter
gimp) instead of the right?
It's not that *corners* are all that modern an invention, just corners for
lace made on *non-square grids*. Corners are not as old as the oldest
laces, but corners on the laces that could be easily turned do go back a
ways.
Modern (last 50 years) lacemakers have designed corners for many of the
Welcome newbies, one and all! There's no proficiency requirement for
membership, just a love of lace in any of its forms. By all means, ask
questions (how else will you learn?) and post opinions and answers when you
have them.
Robin P.
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA
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From: Tamara P. Duvall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you like making lace, you might as well bite the bullet and make the
best investment of your life; buy Brenda Paternoster's booklet Threads
for Lace; edition 2
Many of the US lace suppliers have carried the first edition of Brenda's
book, so
From: Avital Pinnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Then I can send the commands directly to majordomo, instead of having to
download the latest subscription lists for a look or guessing at the various
permutations and hoping that one of them will work.
And most subscription changes we can do
From: Aurelia L. Loveman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh, I can't agree with you, Robin, that Christine Springett's spangles are
loose and floppy. I have dozens of her bobbins, and they are perfect. If
there were anything the matter with them (and there isn't), it would only
be that we amateur
From: Shirlee Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm thinking the answer might be do whatever makes you happy, but I'm
wondering if there should be a certain weight to the spangle or if the
weight matters at all ...
Weight does matter somewhat. Fine threads can be stressed by heavy
bobbins, and
From: Steph Peters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Put a glass of water in reach of where you sit to make lace (but not where
it could be spilled on the lace). Make an effort to remember to drink now
and then.
I use a soda bottle that has a screw-on lid. Granted, mine usually has soda
in it, which is
From: Janis Savage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cross Twist were denoted as X OIt makes a very neat shorthand when
taking down notes or explaining how to do a stitch.
It's all a matter of what works for the *notetaker*. For me, X would
forever be confused--is that a right-over-left X or a
Females can be color blind too. It is not as commen, but a female friend
of mine can only sees everything in shades of brown.
Tamara, you've been bemoaning the difficulty of using many colors, because
you have trouble distinguishing among them. Yet you also say not to worry
about the
From: Tamara P. Duvall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I had some problems deciphering that (could be because I'm not a
native speaker, and have to *stop and think* what the last letter of a
word might be)...
No, just straight memorization.
C= 2 over 3; N= 2 and 4 over 1 and 2. You don't need to
From: Bev Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
While colour coding might simplify matters for some, it complicates for
others. And woe is the colour blind ;)
That worried me, too. We'd be shutting a chunk of people out of lacemaking
if all our patterns stuck to a color code. Add to that the
From: Tamara P. Duvall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
an otherwise innocent honeycomb hole will have a CTCTT, instead of the CTT
before the first pin (afterwards, it's business as usual)... An all black
diagram -- unless it's a *thread by thread* one (and, personally, I don't
wanna go there g) will
From: Jane K. Griffin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Perhaps using a lower cast t' for turn and an upper case T for twist?
somewhat like writing out receipes using t for teaspoon and T for
tablespoon.
Or use the US Postal Service's strategy when making state abbreviations.
Use the last letter if the
I'm getting better at interpreting diagrams.
Great, because there are a whole lot more patterns with diagrams than with
verbal instructions. The sooner you can get comfortable with the diagrams,
the sooner the whole world of bobbin lace opens to you. Then you will
graduate to the patterns with
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is the same problem that we, in the UK have been moaning about for
ages. The hours of worm bandages that have to be made before you are
considered acceptable to move on to Torchon, then years of Torchon before
beds etc.
I have this argument
There's going to be a fair bit of duplication by adding membership of many
lace groups. Many of my friends belong to more than one local group,
because that gives them access to more teachers/workshops/lace days or
because they like the newsletter, and many belong to groups (local or
national)
Pat Hallam (Roseground) makes a travel pillow. Does it have a roller?
Robin P.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA
http://www.pittsburghlace.8m.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think that Rosemarie Robinson may do one - you can pick
From: Tamara P. Duvall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It can be applied to passing the gimp (though I still tend to lift the
left, except when in Flanders)
For me, passing gimp is always Twist Cross (plus whatever twists you want to
put on the pair before and after the passing). The phrase lift the
From: Helen Crews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
'thought you might like to see this. Don't know how they got my address,
but here it is.
Well, their bobbins are certainly inexpensive! They're very much like the
antique French bobbins that were on eBay a few months ago--stout. The
various designs
From: Lorelei Halley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
All British lacemakers (as far as I can tell) do half stitch CT. Most, but
no all, western Europeans do it CT. Most, but not all, central Europeans do
it TC. Nearly all eastern Europeans to it TC.
I took a Skansk (Sweden) workshop from Marji Suhm
Christine and David Springett used to have a lace supplier business. She
also designed patterns and taught, and he also turned bobbins. They ran a
lace school (English Lace College, or something like that) and made videos,
too.
A few years ago, they sold off the lace supplier business, to
From: bianca rosa bellomo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Im Bianca, a new Arachnid from Italy.. Hope to be useful in some way. My
field is needle lace but Im not an expert. Studying needle lace
(Aemilia Ars in Bologna) I met Elisa Ricci and now the life of E.R and
obviously lace history in the first
Wow! 1,000 pieces of bobbin lace from all over former Soviet Union? Sounds
like a spectacular exhibit. I wish I could go. Maybe some European
Arachneans will be able to see it and report back to us. I think static
may mean permanent, as opposed to a temporary or travelling exhibit.
Robin P.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, Mary's book is excellent. The first and possibly the only book devoted
to Flanders Lace, it was originally published by a subsidiary of Batsford's
and has been out of print for a long time. However, I understood that the
firm that bought out
Kathy's email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] but I don't know that she has a
catalog.
Robin P.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA
http://www.pittsburghlace.8m.com
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Can anyone give me the address for Shirley Gates Kathy Kirchner? I'd like
to get a catalog from
From: Tamara P. Duvall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
years ago, and ex-Arachnean (Penny Boston), who studied microbe life in
deep caves for NASA, took some pins with her and left them in one of
the caves, to see what effect constantly damp and chilly environment
would have on them. As I remember
I like to come up with ideas I have not seen yet, (I don't pretend to
know everything about all the laces so someone might have done that before),
but I am not sure how the lace community feels about innovation.
Well, the Milanese Lace Police can say it's not Milanese if you have an
innovation,
From: Tamara P. Duvall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What a sensible man Iain Biggins must be! Good on Him, I say!
Iain is not the only one.. Kenn Van Dieren (our own g) has also
learnt
And don't forget that we have male Arachneans! Some may be strictly bobbin
people, but others are lacemakers.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The pattern on my blog is one that takes up the entirity of my 24 pillow
and
moves really quickly - so it posed the problem of having to keep undoing and
moving the acetate.
That's another advantage of the vinyl circle over cover cloths or
1. Lenka Suchanek makes/sells bobbins for use with wire. They are the size
of travel bobbins (e.g., a good bit shorter than average) with a metal eye
screwed into the tip. I haven't used them, so can't comment on them.
However, they are designed specifically for wire. The others, I believe,
From: Janice Blair [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now that's a thought... I have two travel pillows that pack up like a small
bag and fit into tote bags but how about someone coming up with a backpack
design that you can just zip open and get on with your lace!!
I saw one (Sonja, are you still on
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The walk-in, store front option for lace vendors is one that they don't seem
to take advantage of in America to any large extent. Is there even one
vendor
with a store front and regular hours?
Yes, there is at least. The Lacemaker, in Warren,
From: W N Lafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have incorporated one of my old macrame rings (I knew I'd find a use for
them eventually) into my drawcloth.
What a neat idea! However, I still prefer the kind we got in a workshop
from Judy Zeiss. It's a clear vinyl circle with a small circle
I couldn't see the clear and pinned right on through it. You would think
I would notice that the vinyl wasn't pricked -- Oh well.
B-D ! They do make colored transparent vinyl. My friend has rose. She can
still see the design taking shape, but there's no mistaking where the cover
is! The one
For a long time it has been very difficult for a girl to express a wish
to do anything feminine. It has been OK if girls want to fly down mountain
cliffs at 60 miles an hour on a bicycle, but absolutely not OK if they want
to learn to crochet.
The fortunate flip side of this is that boys are
I found a brief description here:
http://www.irishlacemuseum.com/inishmacsaint.html
Wow! It's beautiful! It's reminiscent of Venetian Gros Point, with similar
florals and padded sections. I had no idea Ireland, which has other lovely
laces, also had this. Thanks for the info!
Robin P.
From: Annette Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can anyone tell me if silk is difficult to work with? I'm a beginner and was
wondering if it's slippery or difficult to control. Which type of silk works
best - spun, floss, filament?
In my opinion, silk is no harder to use than linen and cotton.
From: Patricia Dowden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Also, I have since discovered bug pins which would have made the whole
process much, much easier. The bug pins are small enough that I would not
have had the thread pinching problem.
One warning with insect pins--you *must* pre-prick your pattern.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
People ask to buy an article at which you may have sat and worked 100 hours.
I consider I am worth as a fairly skilled lacemaker at least 10 to 15 GB
pounds per hour. So that would make the piece in labour costs at least 1000
GBP. No-one would
From: Jane Partridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
But maybe there are ways we could make it easier for those who wish to
obtain a legal copy to identify who designed the pattern in the first place?
(And I know I'm a terror for often simply putting JP or JMP and the year on
my patterns!).
Well, if
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm more insulted by the term 'amateur lacemakers' - if they mean that I
don't get paid then that is only true if we mean in money and I don't charge
because no one could afford to pay me.
I'm perfectly happy to be called amateur. I make no effort whatsoever to
earn a
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
you know when you are demonstrating and someone says 'how do you know what
to do' this is how I explain it - you work a bit, run out of bobbins so you
work the bit you need to give you the bobbins.
The way I explain it is that I look for pinholes
From: Tamara P. Duvall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If the craft -- as in Mensa of the craft world -- is so odious, how
about Mensa of the Applied Arts instead? Jay Ekers kindly resurrected
the term for me (it'd gotten lost in memory) but Applied arts would be the
term that a book (at any rate, a
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
1) Present - it was just right for the person
2) Technical achievement - 'that looks like fun' theory of lace making.
I'd add:
3) Beauty - oh, that's so lovely, I have to make it!
Robin P.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA
From: Jean Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't know the best way of publicising, because 'lacemaking' doesn't only
cover bobbin lace. People need to know that (bobbin lace at least - I'll
never master tatting) is accessible to all at different levels from a simple
braid to complex work like
Does anybody have an email address for Kathy Kaufmann, the registrar for the
Finger Lakes Lace Guild Lace Day?
Robin
Robin K Panza
Section of Birds, Carnegie Museum of Natural History
4400 Forbes Ave.
Pittsburgh PA 15213 USA
phone: 412-622-3255
fax: 412-622-8837
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To
From: Whitham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I went to my thread collection and found linen Goldchilds Nel 80/3, Nm 50/3,
which at first I thought I could use until I decided that the B meant bomuld
(cotton). Now I am really confused. Why the 2 numbers on the thread? Are
linen and cotton threads
From: Bev Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I prefer to make my original designs available through lace magazines, for
the
price of buying the magazine.
OK, we've been exploring copyright law through the hypothetical example of
Miss Channer's mat. And Vivienne, I do believe most of the messages
From: Brenda Paternoster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On the subject of Miss Channer's mat; copyright is the right to exactly
reproduce. I believe that if you own a worked mat (from a purchased
pricking), and then re-drew it from scratch using a suitable grid you would
own the copyright on the new
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does one have to master a certain kind of lace before beeing allowed to
start with another? There was the question of Paris before Binche some
digests ago.
That is the basic question, and there are two aspects to the answer.
The first aspect has
From: Toni Hawryluk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
strength to the relatively fragile part, like steel rebar in
pre-stressed
if the pin was put in after it splinter the neck of the bobbin?
Either way - suppose the bobbin blank were to be soaked in water or oil,
You're still trying to make two
From: Bev Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Depending on the lace, you can allow it to dry on a clean metal surface
(place it dripping wet and at a slight angle to let the water drain away,
it should dry reasonably flat on the metal surface).
I would recommend glass instead of metal. The effect
How many of our English speaking countries publish catalogues or any
other work in German, French, Italian or any language other than our own?
And how many of us have learned another language? We rather arrogantly
expect everyone else to learn English and pander to us.
Speaking only for
From: Tamara P. Duvall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
They're not old, vintage or antique, but Ancient turned wood lace pillow
bobbin.
After nearly a week of living with people of 4 generations I've learnt that
what's ancient to one person, is my (teen) mother to another...
Applies, in spades, to the
From: Brenda Paternoster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Food used to account for a huge part of an ordinary worker's income, but
housing was relatively cheap. Nowadays we expect cheap basic foods but
accept that housing costs a great deal, especially for the younger
My favorite illustration of how
From: Nicole Gauthier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You are right, Tamara, Punto Fiandra di Gorizia is not Flanders. They
call the flander stitch the ribbon formed with 3 pairs of bobbins.
In Maltese lace there's a stitch called Punto Inglizi (spelling
approximate), or English stitch. Not like
From: Tamara P. Duvall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Since I make all my lace wrong side up (even the Russian which is
traditionally worked right side up), that includes tallies -- both the
plain raised (leaf overlay, as I tend to think of them) and the raised
and rolled ones.
I would think tallies
From: Ruth Budge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sue, can you describe what engineering felt looks like? I use something
called gasket paper for making my prickings - and I'm wondering if that's
what you're talking about.
I have something called Industrial Felt, which I think is the same thing
as
Pushing the pins down and/or covering them with a cloth are the methods I'd
use to prevent snags. Many teachers tell you to bring several cover cloths
for over the pins/worked areas. Personally, I like to see my work--I admire
what I've done while adding to it--so I like to use a clear plastic
From: Merlene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
When Antje talks about moving the lace she is unpinning the lace off of the
pattern and moving it to the top of the same pattern. The pattern does not
move.
When most of us talk about moving the lace we are putting the felt or
styrofoam under the last inch
Yesterday was the 10th annual lace day/tea by Buckeye Bobbins in
northeastern Ohio (USA). It was the first one I attended, and I have to say
I had a grand time. Thanks, Ginny and all your co-workers and assistants!
After a bit of delay getting the key to the Arts Center, we quickly made up
for
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