Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Ian Murray
Yeah one of my mates is in Clapham - looks horrendous. He posted a couple of vids. Said he witnessed some woman telling her kids to cover their face before they looted Argos. What the fck is going on? If it were football fans the fuzz woulda kicked the sht out of them by now. See it's spread

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2011-08-09 Thread Robert Heath
Just back to base in the deep South of France after an epic trip to Southampton. Haven't had time to read any emails, so I apologise if my views are repeating what's already been said. First thing.on the long drive back, I was not too downhearted. The last time I saw a season's

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Ian Murray
Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets.

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Anderson
We said that, if it was Millwall fans (local scum to me) the police would have beaten them kicked them but (PC filter off) if it's a black or Asian youngster they won't touch them because for some reason they are a community. We have to get tough and stamp this out. regardless of colour creed

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Anderson
Not sure about the army people seem to think it's some massive symbolic thing that the army should never set foot on the streets of mainland Britain but if they get out and do some damage to the scum its ok in my book. I know its barbaric but I really think a few serious kid casualties

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Anderson
not in the way I think you mean however 80% of the rioters are young black/ mixed race youths. It cant be an excuse though it's more a product of environment (slums of Tottenham, hackney) than actual skin pigmentation and traditionally the poorer areas have the immigrants or 2nd generation

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Mark Humphries
This is nothing to do with immigration or poor areas, it is all to do with fucking twats wanting to get stuff for free, and wanting to go round smashing and burning stuff for a laugh. Here's my plan; 1) Stop reporting this on the news, which basically acts like an advert to other twats who know

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread matt
In recent times yes. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Ed Morrish edmorr...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:11:41 To: Matt Andersonm...@leeds-united.net Reply-To: e...@morrish.org Cc: Leeds Listleedslist@gn.apc.org; Ian

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Tim Leslie
What's everyone getting worked up about? It's only London!!! On 9 Aug 2011, at 10:26, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: In recent times yes. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Ed Morrish edmorr...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:11:41 To: Matt

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread McWilliams, Brendan, VF-Group (bmcwill)
Still though, look on the bright side - it's great to see a more inclusive Orange Order opening its membership to all sectors of the community. (coat on, running) -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Humphries

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Eric B
hello fellow east germans, based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING.

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Mark Humphries
I said it wasn't racial. And our police have less powers than most, possibly all, other European countries so not sure what your point is. From: Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 August 2011 11:57 To: Ian Murray Cc: Mark Humphries; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots hello

Re: [LU] Bates protest Saturday

2011-08-09 Thread Leeds List
Betty, in an ideal world Bates dies in a fatal collision with Thatcher and the wrecked cars are hit by a plane carrying Bob Stokoe. Sent from my iPhone On 8 Aug 2011, at 21:38, John Boocock j...@boocock.net wrote: On 08/08/2011 18:59, Richard Walker wrote:

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread matt
I'm a missionary sent here to run businesses while the cockneys drive taxis, sell flowers by the roadside and run market stalls --Original Message-- From: Tim Leslie To: m...@leeds-united.net Cc: e...@morrish.org Cc: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Sent: 9 Aug 2011 11:06 What's

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread matt
We need guilliani style zero tolerance Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Eric B barl...@gmail.com Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:57:11 To: Ian Murrayianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Cc: Leeds Listleedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re:

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread matt
Its not racial but it will be made so. Its theft. Our police are pussycats, they have a few cameras, great! Why can you possibly think they have any power? Even the 200 caught will end up free. Again I ask what would have happened if that was Paris (couple of years ago) new york, beijing,

[LU] Transfer Latest

2011-08-09 Thread Graham . Farr
Tottenham have just signed Grabatelli ! *** NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it, may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the

Re: [LU] Bates protest Saturday

2011-08-09 Thread John Boocock
On 09/08/2011 12:12, Leeds List wrote: in an ideal world Bates dies in a fatal collision with Thatcher and the wrecked cars are hit by a plane carrying Bob Stokoe. maybe Stokoe's ashes :-) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options:

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread John Boocock
On 09/08/2011 12:35, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Even the 200 caught will end up free or even worse supposedly doing er, community service. I have two very close friends who have lost their livlihoods in North London thanks to the events of the past three nights. The people who did it

Re: [LU] Transfer Latest

2011-08-09 Thread Mark Humphries
And Liverpool are about to sign Nick O'Lorragea -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of graham.f...@yara.com Sent: 09 August 2011 13:04 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] Transfer Latest Tottenham have just signed

Re: [LU] Transfer Latest

2011-08-09 Thread McWilliams, Brendan, VF-Group (bmcwill)
Nick Allot surely? -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Humphries Sent: martes, 09 de agosto de 2011 15:02 To: graham.f...@yara.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Transfer Latest And Liverpool are about to

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Eric B
I was asking the person who asked if it was racial if that question could be substantiated. I think it was Matt A. that asked. How much power have police other countries got? Can you elaborate on this maybe? Its interesting. I woud have thought a police force that runs into a tube station and

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Anderson
Spot on, I dress to the left but am looking for a serious overreaction by Police Greenwich is being boarded up now, pictures on twitter, the new decent Turkish restaurant and the handbag shop, there is a mob gathering at Wetherspoons apparently. (classy) I know there are a couple of listers

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Anderson
There isn't a racial element but it will be made out to be one by the Guardian/Ken livingstone types. Every (non-elected) community leader is going to get his or her mug on TV now. In Clapham, Hackney, Woolwich the overwhelming majority of those filmed were black, however there were white kids

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Ted
Matt said Greenwich is being boarded up now, pictures on twitter, the new decent Turkish restaurant and the handbag shop, there is a mob gathering at Wetherspoons apparently. (classy) So, there's going to be a mean time in Greenwich? Ted H ___

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Anderson
Ha ha. Meantime is the name of the local brewery. Worth a try for you bitter drinking folk. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Ted Sent: 09 August 2011 14:56 To: leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Matt said

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Dr. Michael Benjamin.
I'll be off list for the next few days I'm off to sit in a field and ruminate. Bates out! Of your bed? :-) Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 9 Aug 2011, at 15:10, John Boocock j...@boocock.net wrote: On 09/08/2011 12:35,

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Dr. Michael Benjamin.
Someone asked about Police in other countries. My tuppence: I have been astonished at the massive presence with very little or no reason. It's quite intimidating. So its hard to see why they lost control. So I guess the propensity to violence must be higher. I do know that the Police reaction

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Nicholas Armit
left wing judiciary in the UK? Huh? From: Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com To: m...@leeds-united.net m...@leeds-united.net Cc: Leeds list leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org; Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Anderson
Well what Dr Mike said about liberalism is closer to the truth than bringing up stockwell. I used the road wars thing as an example the other way. There are still people banging on about needed to understand these kids and address the source of their behaviour. Fuck that! I’m sat in the

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
Maybe left was a bad choice. In fact it was. But there is a level of liberal activism which is effecting policies and actions in lots of spheres and walks of life. I am against it. Not because of the views that are forwarded but that the minute judiciary 'interfere' then the judiciary will be

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Eric B
Someone saying that justice is on the left or on the right is conflicting with justice and its principles/values. Justice is meant to sit bang in the middle of politics. Justice is meant to be non political. If policing is on the right then its probably good that justice sits on the left to even

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Ian Murray
I laughed at that but pretty much everywhere is left wing compared to Israel I guess. Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 16:48, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote: left wing judiciary in the UK? Huh? From: Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Ian Murray
Eric, you get justice in the next life. In this life you get the law. Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 17:49, Eric B barl...@gmail.com wrote: Someone saying that justice is on the left or on the right is conflicting with justice and its principles/values. Justice is meant to sit bang in

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Damian Walsh
There's been an astonishing amount of Colonel Blimp rubbish spouted on the list about these riots. Probably a good thing because at least it show how many more of us are now part of the establishment than was ever true before. All we have to do is get the next generation of potential rioters in

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Mark Humphries
If it needs to be out of balance it should be the other way round. No point in having vociferous policing (it isn't anyway) if after spending lots of taxpayers money they get to court and get a suspended sentence or 1 hours community service. In my opinion, if people are acting with anarchy in

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Mark Humphries
Damian, with respect that is bollocks. First, there are no apparently substantiated allegations, and second, to try and apportion blame to Boris is just ludicrous. If you really must politicise this then blame labour because these scumbags grew up, got their education and their values under a

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Eric B
When you introduce 27 criminal justice bills and over 3,600 new criminal offences in less than a decade, it will leave everyone confused. This could be part of the problem. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.comwrote: Eric, you get justice in the next life. In

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Mark Tuffey
The number of laws make no difference...the number of cops makes no difference...the party in power makes no difference...race makes no difference... all the while that accountability for ones actions cannot owned by the individual and instead his lack of accountability is projected onto other

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
Neither should sit anywhere. It is the start for the others to interfere. Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Ian Murray
I don't see how! The truth is these are mindless thugs - no question. It is daft to ignore the underlying social problems and disenfranchisement of so many chavs though. You could say they have had it too good too long or you could say that they know the government couldn't give a shit about

[LU] Brassiest

2011-08-09 Thread Steve Mosley
Nunez just did a Billy Painter impression... -- Steve Mosley BPharm MRPharmS ___ Registered Pharmacist tel: 07900492981 email: steve.mos...@darckense.commailto:steve.mos...@darckense.com web:http://www.stevemosley.eu

Re: [LU] Brassiest

2011-08-09 Thread Mark Tuffey
He had time to settle the ball Mark El Presidente Wisconsin Whites Leeds United Chicago Fire ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist

Re: [LU] Brassiest

2011-08-09 Thread Mark Tuffey
Clayton is looking well up for it and very sharp. Mark El Presidente Wisconsin Whites Leeds United Chicago Fire ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options:

Re: [LU] Brassiest

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Anderson
Bollox Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 20:13, Mark Tuffey wiscole...@hotmail.com wrote: He had time to settle the ball Mark El Presidente Wisconsin Whites Leeds United Chicago Fire ___ Leedslist

Re: [LU] Brassiest

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Anderson
Defensive shite again. Parker this time Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 20:13, Mark Tuffey wiscole...@hotmail.com wrote: He had time to settle the ball Mark El Presidente Wisconsin Whites Leeds United Chicago Fire

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Anderson
There is no link at all between 15 year old chavs nicking tvs and phones and the met's leadership or boris's holiday. That's nonsense. I bet 90% don't know who the mayor is Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 17:59, Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com wrote: There's been an astonishing

Re: [LU] Brassiest

2011-08-09 Thread Ian Murray
This is a disgrace. Bates will sack Grayson if this continues. Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 20:17, Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Defensive shite again. Parker this time Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 20:13, Mark Tuffey wiscole...@hotmail.com wrote: He

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Anderson
I agree in main but timeline starts with thatcher There was always scumbags rogues thieves since caveman times. But in 80s free enterprise worked... Or me me me became everything at a time when industries declined or were killed off. Those who couldn't adapt suffered. However these people on

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2011-08-09 Thread Brendan Osborne
Get in Nunez!!! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Mark Humphries
Again, bollox. The problem with this country is lack of personal responsibility - this attitude that the state controls everything and owes us all. The removal of competition at school, the removal of discipline at school. Being able to lead a comfortable life on the dole - still able to afford

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Verner Hanna (Jnr)
Well said fellano responsibility from anyone anymore...especially parents...but let's not let that get in the way of a good apologist festlet's blame Dame Thatcher for the sins of B-lair and Clown...oh and Bob Stokoe tooFFS! -Original Message- From: Mark Humphries

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Mark Humphries
I grew up on council estates. My parents always worked. We didn't have a phone in the house until 1981. We didn't own a car. My first pair of football boots were moulded studs, back in the day when moulded studs were the poor option. I didn't have my first pair of brand trainers until I

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Anderson
Try reading it. I blamed new labour. I forgot about major's existence and I think you are on thin ice and some sort of Tory boy revisionist if you deny thatcher destroyed communities by rationalising industries. As a matter of interest I voted fir boris to get rid of ken. I agree about the

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Anderson
Again... What email are you replying to because I agreed with you Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 22:00, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I grew up on council estates. My parents always worked. We didn't have a phone in the house until 1981. We didn't own a car.

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Steve Gillen
Wife was admitted to St James's Hospital this evening, and on my return home which was via Chapletown I saw at least 6 police vehicles heading at speed to different places with blue lights flashing - interestingly on one occasion in opposite directions on the same road. Saw no crowds and no

Re: [LU] Riots

2011-08-09 Thread Damian Walsh
Lots of responses to lots of points - its much easier down the pub ;) First of all, Steve - I hope your wife is OK and its nothing serious. Then the Met and the mayor: no leadership, who is handling these riots (looting without the rioting as far as we see from afar), Superindentants? Divisional