Re: [LU] Riots
Yeah one of my mates is in Clapham - looks horrendous. He posted a couple of vids. Said he witnessed some woman telling her kids to cover their face before they looted Argos. What the fck is going on? If it were football fans the fuzz woulda kicked the sht out of them by now. See it's spread to chapeltown road. I Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 00:10, Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Am surrounded by it in Greenwich. Woolwich on one side lewisham on the other. Police are all out, copters out too but it's everywhere. There are not enough police available Police frightened to tackle it in case they actually hurt a rioter and get dragged through European court of human rights. Someone said move challenge cup final forward to tomorrow as 9 northerners would sort it out Sent from my iPhone On 8 Aug 2011, at 19:45, Wayne ws.callag...@live.co.uk wrote: Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
[LU] Soton
Just back to base in the deep South of France after an epic trip to Southampton. Haven't had time to read any emails, so I apologise if my views are repeating what's already been said. First thing.on the long drive back, I was not too downhearted. The last time I saw a season's opening game, we lost 5-2 at Newcastle..and ended up getting promoted. Good omen then. And, this was a similar gamelast time that fat bastard Micky Quinn had 4 chances and buried them all; this time, Soton barely threatened us, but they put 3 chances away very well. We didn't play great, but we weren't that bad either. I said to my daughter that we need to get through the first 10 mins without concedingand they scored immediately. I think if they hadn't got that goal, we would have gone on to take control and we'd have nicked it 1-0. Plus points: Clayton. Loooks a really good player in the middle there. Brown: quality and experience, just what we hoiped for and need. Kisnorbo: I think he was at fault initially for the 2nd goal, but otherwise brought much more stability to the back 4. Max: brilliant at times in the 1st half. I worry that he is just too good for our league and ought to leave. Howson: very good. McCormack: lively and good movement. Minus points: Lonergan: Did i read that he fell out of favout at Hudds b/c he lost his confidence? Looked lacking in confidence to me. Should he have saved the 1st goal? Maybe he was unsighted. One good save just after the 2nd goal though. Connolly: Very poor on the ball. O Dear: Heard on the radio that Celtic's LB had smashed his leg up. Does that mean they'll be asking for him back? I hope so. Nunez: Gave the ball away twice in very dangerous places. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
We said that, if it was Millwall fans (local scum to me) the police would have beaten them kicked them but (PC filter off) if it's a black or Asian youngster they won't touch them because for some reason they are a community. We have to get tough and stamp this out. regardless of colour creed they are just a bunch of little chavs who are generally not interested in an actual fight, they throw things nick things and burn things but if a few rubber bullets or water cannons came out they would scuttle off home and think twice especially if a couple got killed or badly hurt. However with idiots like ken Livingstone launching his mayoral campaign last night by blaming Cameron and Boris and the tory cuts we will have to round them up and send them on holiday to think about what they have done. This country is pathetic, how would the Americans, the French, the Russians, deal with this? -Original Message- From: Ian Murray [mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com] Sent: 09 August 2011 07:49 To: Matt Anderson Cc: Wayne; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Yeah one of my mates is in Clapham - looks horrendous. He posted a couple of vids. Said he witnessed some woman telling her kids to cover their face before they looted Argos. What the fck is going on? If it were football fans the fuzz woulda kicked the sht out of them by now. See it's spread to chapeltown road. I Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 00:10, Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Am surrounded by it in Greenwich. Woolwich on one side lewisham on the other. Police are all out, copters out too but it's everywhere. There are not enough police available Police frightened to tackle it in case they actually hurt a rioter and get dragged through European court of human rights. Someone said move challenge cup final forward to tomorrow as 9 northerners would sort it out Sent from my iPhone On 8 Aug 2011, at 19:45, Wayne ws.callag...@live.co.uk wrote: Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1391 / Virus Database: 1520/3820 - Release Date: 08/07/11 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
Not sure about the army people seem to think it's some massive symbolic thing that the army should never set foot on the streets of mainland Britain but if they get out and do some damage to the scum its ok in my book. I know its barbaric but I really think a few serious kid casualties showing that police/army mean business ends it now and saves others -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Humphries Sent: 09 August 2011 07:59 To: 'Wayne'; 'Leeds List' Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1391 / Virus Database: 1520/3820 - Release Date: 08/07/11 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
not in the way I think you mean however 80% of the rioters are young black/ mixed race youths. It cant be an excuse though it's more a product of environment (slums of Tottenham, hackney) than actual skin pigmentation and traditionally the poorer areas have the immigrants or 2nd generation immigrants. It's always been the same. I remember reading about the slums of Wolverhampton in the 1860s full of Irish immigrants living 9 to a room in filthy conditions facing racism and hostility from the locals. History repeats itself, the communities eventually blend then some new group come in. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Ian Murray Sent: 09 August 2011 08:29 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1391 / Virus Database: 1520/3820 - Release Date: 08/07/11 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
This is nothing to do with immigration or poor areas, it is all to do with fucking twats wanting to get stuff for free, and wanting to go round smashing and burning stuff for a laugh. Here's my plan; 1) Stop reporting this on the news, which basically acts like an advert to other twats who know they can loot with impunity. 2) 9pm curfew for anyone under 20 3) Police armed with some way of spraying these louts with indelible ink so that.. 4) Army can find and round up the looters/arsonists 5) Anyone caught = conscription and a 6 month tour in Afghanistan to demonstrate that they aren't so fucking hard after all. They should also be asking the rest of us to be taking photos and videos when we see them at it, upload to a central website so they can pick people up over the next few months - however long it takes. -Original Message- From: Matt Anderson [mailto:m...@leeds-united.net] Sent: 09 August 2011 09:59 To: 'Ian Murray'; 'Mark Humphries' Cc: 'Leeds List' Subject: RE: [LU] Riots not in the way I think you mean however 80% of the rioters are young black/ mixed race youths. It cant be an excuse though it's more a product of environment (slums of Tottenham, hackney) than actual skin pigmentation and traditionally the poorer areas have the immigrants or 2nd generation immigrants. It's always been the same. I remember reading about the slums of Wolverhampton in the 1860s full of Irish immigrants living 9 to a room in filthy conditions facing racism and hostility from the locals. History repeats itself, the communities eventually blend then some new group come in. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Ian Murray Sent: 09 August 2011 08:29 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1391 / Virus Database: 1520/3820 - Release Date: 08/07/11 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
In recent times yes. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Ed Morrish edmorr...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:11:41 To: Matt Andersonm...@leeds-united.net Reply-To: e...@morrish.org Cc: Leeds Listleedslist@gn.apc.org; Ian Murrayianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [LU] Riots We said that, if it was Millwall fans (local scum to me) the police would have beaten them kicked them but (PC filter off) if it's a black or Asian youngster they won't touch them because for some reason they are a community. Yes, the police have been historically reticent to assault ethnic minorities, haven't they? Ed. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
What's everyone getting worked up about? It's only London!!! On 9 Aug 2011, at 10:26, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: In recent times yes. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Ed Morrish edmorr...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:11:41 To: Matt Andersonm...@leeds-united.net Reply-To: e...@morrish.org Cc: Leeds Listleedslist@gn.apc.org; Ian Murrayianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [LU] Riots We said that, if it was Millwall fans (local scum to me) the police would have beaten them kicked them but (PC filter off) if it's a black or Asian youngster they won't touch them because for some reason they are a community. Yes, the police have been historically reticent to assault ethnic minorities, haven't they? Ed. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
Still though, look on the bright side - it's great to see a more inclusive Orange Order opening its membership to all sectors of the community. (coat on, running) -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Humphries Sent: martes, 09 de agosto de 2011 11:18 To: 'Matt Anderson'; 'Ian Murray' Cc: 'Leeds List' Subject: Re: [LU] Riots ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
hello fellow east germans, based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.comwrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
I said it wasn't racial. And our police have less powers than most, possibly all, other European countries so not sure what your point is. From: Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 August 2011 11:57 To: Ian Murray Cc: Mark Humphries; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots hello fellow east germans, based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Bates protest Saturday
Betty, in an ideal world Bates dies in a fatal collision with Thatcher and the wrecked cars are hit by a plane carrying Bob Stokoe. Sent from my iPhone On 8 Aug 2011, at 21:38, John Boocock j...@boocock.net wrote: On 08/08/2011 18:59, Richard Walker wrote: === So what do folk think about the proposed Bates out protest on Satdi ? I can't help thinking its not a good thing so early in the season especially given our result at Southampton, however what else can the fans do ? Boycotting Bate's cash machines are the only thing that hurts Bates. It would take a superhuman effort by fans to do that as for many people it is impossible to separate the football from Bates. They see anything that hurts the club (even if it removes Bates) as being anathema. I think it will probably take the unlikely threat of something legal or a very stupid/clever bastard who manages to but him out. Looks like we will be waiting for an obit. in the Monaco Evening Post before we see this sorted and even then it'll be a mess. One thing I do know (and I think Bates doesn't, is that shrouds have deep pockets) Thatcher or Bates? Who will go first? And if you had the choice? Betty ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
I'm a missionary sent here to run businesses while the cockneys drive taxis, sell flowers by the roadside and run market stalls --Original Message-- From: Tim Leslie To: m...@leeds-united.net Cc: e...@morrish.org Cc: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Sent: 9 Aug 2011 11:06 What's everyone getting worked up about? It's only London!!! On 9 Aug 2011, at 10:26, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: In recent times yes. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Ed Morrish edmorr...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:11:41 To: Matt Andersonm...@leeds-united.net Reply-To: e...@morrish.org Cc: Leeds Listleedslist@gn.apc.org; Ian Murrayianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [LU] Riots We said that, if it was Millwall fans (local scum to me) the police would have beaten them kicked them but (PC filter off) if it's a black or Asian youngster they won't touch them because for some reason they are a community. Yes, the police have been historically reticent to assault ethnic minorities, haven't they? Ed. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
We need guilliani style zero tolerance Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Eric B barl...@gmail.com Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:57:11 To: Ian Murrayianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Cc: Leeds Listleedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Riots hello fellow east germans, based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.comwrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
Its not racial but it will be made so. Its theft. Our police are pussycats, they have a few cameras, great! Why can you possibly think they have any power? Even the 200 caught will end up free. Again I ask what would have happened if that was Paris (couple of years ago) new york, beijing, dubai, etc... Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:06:52 To: 'Eric B'barl...@gmail.com; 'Ian Murray'ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Cc: 'Leeds List'leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Riots I said it wasn't racial. And our police have less powers than most, possibly all, other European countries so not sure what your point is. From: Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 August 2011 11:57 To: Ian Murray Cc: Mark Humphries; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots hello fellow east germans, based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
[LU] Transfer Latest
Tottenham have just signed Grabatelli ! *** NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it, may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete the e-mail and attached documents. Thank you. *** ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Bates protest Saturday
On 09/08/2011 12:12, Leeds List wrote: in an ideal world Bates dies in a fatal collision with Thatcher and the wrecked cars are hit by a plane carrying Bob Stokoe. maybe Stokoe's ashes :-) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
On 09/08/2011 12:35, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Even the 200 caught will end up free or even worse supposedly doing er, community service. I have two very close friends who have lost their livlihoods in North London thanks to the events of the past three nights. The people who did it will be laughing their frocks off. As most of you will know I'm normally slightly to the left of Trotsky on most things, but fuck me, enough is enough. Trash the odd bank or a branch of the MU Store but a guy who repairs shoes and a washing machine spares shop. I'll be off list for the next few days I'm off to sit in a field and ruminate. Bates out! Betty ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Transfer Latest
And Liverpool are about to sign Nick O'Lorragea -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of graham.f...@yara.com Sent: 09 August 2011 13:04 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] Transfer Latest Tottenham have just signed Grabatelli ! *** NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it, may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete the e-mail and attached documents. Thank you. *** ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Transfer Latest
Nick Allot surely? -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Humphries Sent: martes, 09 de agosto de 2011 15:02 To: graham.f...@yara.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Transfer Latest And Liverpool are about to sign Nick O'Lorragea -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of graham.f...@yara.com Sent: 09 August 2011 13:04 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] Transfer Latest Tottenham have just signed Grabatelli ! *** NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it, may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete the e-mail and attached documents. Thank you. *** ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
I was asking the person who asked if it was racial if that question could be substantiated. I think it was Matt A. that asked. How much power have police other countries got? Can you elaborate on this maybe? Its interesting. I woud have thought a police force that runs into a tube station and gets away with murdering a foreigner is pretty powerful. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I said it wasn’t racial. ** ** And our police have less powers than most, possibly all, other European countries so not sure what your point is. ** ** *From:* Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 09 August 2011 11:57 *To:* Ian Murray *Cc:* Mark Humphries; Leeds List *Subject:* Re: [LU] Riots ** ** hello fellow east germans, ** ** based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? ** ** also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. ** ** erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ** ** ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
Spot on, I dress to the left but am looking for a serious overreaction by Police Greenwich is being boarded up now, pictures on twitter, the new decent Turkish restaurant and the handbag shop, there is a mob gathering at Wetherspoons apparently. (classy) I know there are a couple of listers round this way so keep out of the town centre for the time being -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of John Boocock Sent: 09 August 2011 13:10 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Riots On 09/08/2011 12:35, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Even the 200 caught will end up free or even worse supposedly doing er, community service. I have two very close friends who have lost their livlihoods in North London thanks to the events of the past three nights. The people who did it will be laughing their frocks off. As most of you will know I'm normally slightly to the left of Trotsky on most things, but fuck me, enough is enough. Trash the odd bank or a branch of the MU Store but a guy who repairs shoes and a washing machine spares shop. I'll be off list for the next few days I'm off to sit in a field and ruminate. Bates out! Betty ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3822 - Release Date: 08/08/11 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
There isn't a racial element but it will be made out to be one by the Guardian/Ken livingstone types. Every (non-elected) community leader is going to get his or her mug on TV now. In Clapham, Hackney, Woolwich the overwhelming majority of those filmed were black, however there were white kids too. I think chavs is the correct term. The tube station incident was totally different, that was terrorism, this is civil unrest. Eric how long have you lived in Britain? I suggest you watch Road Wars on Sky 1 and watch how tough we are on drug dealers, joyriders, max sentence is usually a caution and £50 fine! -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Eric B Sent: 09 August 2011 14:27 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots I was asking the person who asked if it was racial if that question could be substantiated. I think it was Matt A. that asked. How much power have police other countries got? Can you elaborate on this maybe? Its interesting. I woud have thought a police force that runs into a tube station and gets away with murdering a foreigner is pretty powerful. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I said it wasnt racial. ** ** And our police have less powers than most, possibly all, other European countries so not sure what your point is. ** ** *From:* Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 09 August 2011 11:57 *To:* Ian Murray *Cc:* Mark Humphries; Leeds List *Subject:* Re: [LU] Riots ** ** hello fellow east germans, ** ** based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? ** ** also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. ** ** erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ** ** ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3822 - Release Date: 08/08/11 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
Matt said Greenwich is being boarded up now, pictures on twitter, the new decent Turkish restaurant and the handbag shop, there is a mob gathering at Wetherspoons apparently. (classy) So, there's going to be a mean time in Greenwich? Ted H ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
Ha ha. Meantime is the name of the local brewery. Worth a try for you bitter drinking folk. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Ted Sent: 09 August 2011 14:56 To: leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Matt said Greenwich is being boarded up now, pictures on twitter, the new decent Turkish restaurant and the handbag shop, there is a mob gathering at Wetherspoons apparently. (classy) So, there's going to be a mean time in Greenwich? Ted H ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3822 - Release Date: 08/08/11 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
I'll be off list for the next few days I'm off to sit in a field and ruminate. Bates out! Of your bed? :-) Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 9 Aug 2011, at 15:10, John Boocock j...@boocock.net wrote: On 09/08/2011 12:35, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Even the 200 caught will end up free or even worse supposedly doing er, community service. I have two very close friends who have lost their livlihoods in North London thanks to the events of the past three nights. The people who did it will be laughing their frocks off. As most of you will know I'm normally slightly to the left of Trotsky on most things, but fuck me, enough is enough. Trash the odd bank or a branch of the MU Store but a guy who repairs shoes and a washing machine spares shop. I'll be off list for the next few days I'm off to sit in a field and ruminate. Bates out! Betty ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
Someone asked about Police in other countries. My tuppence: I have been astonished at the massive presence with very little or no reason. It's quite intimidating. So its hard to see why they lost control. So I guess the propensity to violence must be higher. I do know that the Police reaction and spontaneous reactions are governed by the cops fear of never being right in any complaint. (my daughters a cop). So if it's bad in Israel I am guessing that it's worse in the UK where the judiciary are very activist and left wing. They call it liberalism. It's the last thing they are. So if there's a general impression that I can get away with it and if I get caught nothing much will happen added to the lack of confidence of the cops and you get London burning. All that without taking into account just how easy it is to reach , mobilize and whip up wannabes and the ease of a deviant few manipulating the masses. Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 9 Aug 2011, at 14:35, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Its not racial but it will be made so. Its theft. Our police are pussycats, they have a few cameras, great! Why can you possibly think they have any power? Even the 200 caught will end up free. Again I ask what would have happened if that was Paris (couple of years ago) new york, beijing, dubai, etc... Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:06:52 To: 'Eric B'barl...@gmail.com; 'Ian Murray'ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Cc: 'Leeds List'leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Riots I said it wasn't racial. And our police have less powers than most, possibly all, other European countries so not sure what your point is. From: Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 August 2011 11:57 To: Ian Murray Cc: Mark Humphries; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots hello fellow east germans, based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Riots
left wing judiciary in the UK? Huh? From: Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com To: m...@leeds-united.net m...@leeds-united.net Cc: Leeds list leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org; Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Someone asked about Police in other countries. My tuppence: I have been astonished at the massive presence with very little or no reason. It's quite intimidating. So its hard to see why they lost control. So I guess the propensity to violence must be higher. I do know that the Police reaction and spontaneous reactions are governed by the cops fear of never being right in any complaint. (my daughters a cop). So if it's bad in Israel I am guessing that it's worse in the UK where the judiciary are very activist and left wing. They call it liberalism. It's the last thing they are. So if there's a general impression that I can get away with it and if I get caught nothing much will happen added to the lack of confidence of the cops and you get London burning. All that without taking into account just how easy it is to reach , mobilize and whip up wannabes and the ease of a deviant few manipulating the masses. Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 9 Aug 2011, at 14:35, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Its not racial but it will be made so. Its theft. Our police are pussycats, they have a few cameras, great! Why can you possibly think they have any power? Even the 200 caught will end up free. Again I ask what would have happened if that was Paris (couple of years ago) new york, beijing, dubai, etc... Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:06:52 To: 'Eric B'barl...@gmail.com; 'Ian Murray'ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Cc: 'Leeds List'leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Riots I said it wasn't racial. And our police have less powers than most, possibly all, other European countries so not sure what your point is. From: Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 August 2011 11:57 To: Ian Murray Cc: Mark Humphries; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots hello fellow east germans, based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's
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Well what Dr Mike said about liberalism is closer to the truth than bringing up stockwell. I used the road wars thing as an example the other way. There are still people banging on about needed to understand these kids and address the source of their behaviour. Fuck that! Im sat in the middle of a lock down with police cars flying up and down the main road. Every shop is boarded up in central Greenwich, the tourists have all been sent home and the Police have banned access to the park for the scum gathered in Greenwich because the twitter info is that they are looking to damage the Maritime Museum. On this occasion as Im sat in the middle of it I think I speak with a bit more authority than having an arse/opinion. From: Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 August 2011 16:30 To: Matt Anderson Cc: Mark Humphries; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Eric how long have you lived in Britain? I suggest you watch Road Wars on Sky 1 and watch how tough we are on drug dealers, joyriders, max sentence is usually a caution and £50 fine! its my third time here now, im into year 4. I d suggest there are better sources for info than SKY and that road war show. They are heavily narrated. This is a HIGHLY complex issue and I have not got the right skills to comment other things than my opinions. and yeah.. opinions, arses etc. we all got them. Cheers, Eric On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net wrote: There isn't a racial element but it will be made out to be one by the Guardian/Ken livingstone types. Every (non-elected) community leader is going to get his or her mug on TV now. In Clapham, Hackney, Woolwich the overwhelming majority of those filmed were black, however there were white kids too. I think chavs is the correct term. The tube station incident was totally different, that was terrorism, this is civil unrest. Eric how long have you lived in Britain? I suggest you watch Road Wars on Sky 1 and watch how tough we are on drug dealers, joyriders, max sentence is usually a caution and £50 fine! -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Eric B Sent: 09 August 2011 14:27 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots I was asking the person who asked if it was racial if that question could be substantiated. I think it was Matt A. that asked. How much power have police other countries got? Can you elaborate on this maybe? Its interesting. I woud have thought a police force that runs into a tube station and gets away with murdering a foreigner is pretty powerful. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I said it wasnt racial. ** ** And our police have less powers than most, possibly all, other European countries so not sure what your point is. ** ** *From:* Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 09 August 2011 11:57 *To:* Ian Murray *Cc:* Mark Humphries; Leeds List *Subject:* Re: [LU] Riots ** ** hello fellow east germans, ** ** based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? ** ** also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. ** ** erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To
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Maybe left was a bad choice. In fact it was. But there is a level of liberal activism which is effecting policies and actions in lots of spheres and walks of life. I am against it. Not because of the views that are forwarded but that the minute judiciary 'interfere' then the judiciary will be interfered with. And that is catastrophic. They must never loose their judicial independence. The same goes for journalism. A long way from the riots but the point I was making is that the police and rioters action are all influenced by new judicial norms. That is why what, for me, is massive presence and apparently little effect. Will someone burn down thew East Stand? [A joke] Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com On 9 August 2011 18:58, Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Well what Dr Mike said about liberalism is closer to the truth than bringing up stockwell. I used the road wars thing as an example the other way. There are still people banging on about needed to understand these kids and address the source of their behaviour. Fuck that! I’m sat in the middle of a lock down with police cars flying up and down the main road. Every shop is boarded up in central Greenwich, the tourists have all been sent home and the Police have banned access to the park for the scum gathered in Greenwich because the twitter info is that they are looking to damage the Maritime Museum. On this occasion as I’m sat in the middle of it I think I speak with a bit more authority than having an arse/opinion. From: Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 August 2011 16:30 To: Matt Anderson Cc: Mark Humphries; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Eric how long have you lived in Britain? I suggest you watch Road Wars on Sky 1 and watch how tough we are on drug dealers, joyriders, max sentence is usually a caution and £50 fine! its my third time here now, im into year 4. I d suggest there are better sources for info than SKY and that road war show. They are heavily narrated. This is a HIGHLY complex issue and I have not got the right skills to comment other things than my opinions. and yeah.. opinions, arses etc. we all got them. Cheers, Eric On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net wrote: There isn't a racial element but it will be made out to be one by the Guardian/Ken livingstone types. Every (non-elected) community leader is going to get his or her mug on TV now. In Clapham, Hackney, Woolwich the overwhelming majority of those filmed were black, however there were white kids too. I think chavs is the correct term. The tube station incident was totally different, that was terrorism, this is civil unrest. Eric how long have you lived in Britain? I suggest you watch Road Wars on Sky 1 and watch how tough we are on drug dealers, joyriders, max sentence is usually a caution and £50 fine! -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Eric B Sent: 09 August 2011 14:27 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots I was asking the person who asked if it was racial if that question could be substantiated. I think it was Matt A. that asked. How much power have police other countries got? Can you elaborate on this maybe? Its interesting. I woud have thought a police force that runs into a tube station and gets away with murdering a foreigner is pretty powerful. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I said it wasn’t racial. ** ** And our police have less powers than most, possibly all, other European countries so not sure what your point is. ** ** *From:* Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 09 August 2011 11:57 *To:* Ian Murray *Cc:* Mark Humphries; Leeds List *Subject:* Re: [LU] Riots ** ** hello fellow east germans, ** ** based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? ** ** also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. ** ** erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries
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Someone saying that justice is on the left or on the right is conflicting with justice and its principles/values. Justice is meant to sit bang in the middle of politics. Justice is meant to be non political. If policing is on the right then its probably good that justice sits on the left to even things out a bit. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote: left wing judiciary in the UK? Huh? From: Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com To: m...@leeds-united.net m...@leeds-united.net Cc: Leeds list leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org; Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Someone asked about Police in other countries. My tuppence: I have been astonished at the massive presence with very little or no reason. It's quite intimidating. So its hard to see why they lost control. So I guess the propensity to violence must be higher. I do know that the Police reaction and spontaneous reactions are governed by the cops fear of never being right in any complaint. (my daughters a cop). So if it's bad in Israel I am guessing that it's worse in the UK where the judiciary are very activist and left wing. They call it liberalism. It's the last thing they are. So if there's a general impression that I can get away with it and if I get caught nothing much will happen added to the lack of confidence of the cops and you get London burning. All that without taking into account just how easy it is to reach , mobilize and whip up wannabes and the ease of a deviant few manipulating the masses. Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 9 Aug 2011, at 14:35, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Its not racial but it will be made so. Its theft. Our police are pussycats, they have a few cameras, great! Why can you possibly think they have any power? Even the 200 caught will end up free. Again I ask what would have happened if that was Paris (couple of years ago) new york, beijing, dubai, etc... Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:06:52 To: 'Eric B'barl...@gmail.com; 'Ian Murray'ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Cc: 'Leeds List'leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Riots I said it wasn't racial. And our police have less powers than most, possibly all, other European countries so not sure what your point is. From: Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 August 2011 11:57 To: Ian Murray Cc: Mark Humphries; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots hello fellow east germans, based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org ] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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I laughed at that but pretty much everywhere is left wing compared to Israel I guess. Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 16:48, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote: left wing judiciary in the UK? Huh? From: Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com To: m...@leeds-united.net m...@leeds-united.net Cc: Leeds list leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org; Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Someone asked about Police in other countries. My tuppence: I have been astonished at the massive presence with very little or no reason. It's quite intimidating. So its hard to see why they lost control. So I guess the propensity to violence must be higher. I do know that the Police reaction and spontaneous reactions are governed by the cops fear of never being right in any complaint. (my daughters a cop). So if it's bad in Israel I am guessing that it's worse in the UK where the judiciary are very activist and left wing. They call it liberalism. It's the last thing they are. So if there's a general impression that I can get away with it and if I get caught nothing much will happen added to the lack of confidence of the cops and you get London burning. All that without taking into account just how easy it is to reach , mobilize and whip up wannabes and the ease of a deviant few manipulating the masses. Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 9 Aug 2011, at 14:35, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Its not racial but it will be made so. Its theft. Our police are pussycats, they have a few cameras, great! Why can you possibly think they have any power? Even the 200 caught will end up free. Again I ask what would have happened if that was Paris (couple of years ago) new york, beijing, dubai, etc... Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:06:52 To: 'Eric B'barl...@gmail.com; 'Ian Murray'ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Cc: 'Leeds List'leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Riots I said it wasn't racial. And our police have less powers than most, possibly all, other European countries so not sure what your point is. From: Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 August 2011 11:57 To: Ian Murray Cc: Mark Humphries; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots hello fellow east germans, based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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Eric, you get justice in the next life. In this life you get the law. Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 17:49, Eric B barl...@gmail.com wrote: Someone saying that justice is on the left or on the right is conflicting with justice and its principles/values. Justice is meant to sit bang in the middle of politics. Justice is meant to be non political. If policing is on the right then its probably good that justice sits on the left to even things out a bit. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote: left wing judiciary in the UK? Huh? From: Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com To: m...@leeds-united.net m...@leeds-united.net Cc: Leeds list leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org; Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Someone asked about Police in other countries. My tuppence: I have been astonished at the massive presence with very little or no reason. It's quite intimidating. So its hard to see why they lost control. So I guess the propensity to violence must be higher. I do know that the Police reaction and spontaneous reactions are governed by the cops fear of never being right in any complaint. (my daughters a cop). So if it's bad in Israel I am guessing that it's worse in the UK where the judiciary are very activist and left wing. They call it liberalism. It's the last thing they are. So if there's a general impression that I can get away with it and if I get caught nothing much will happen added to the lack of confidence of the cops and you get London burning. All that without taking into account just how easy it is to reach , mobilize and whip up wannabes and the ease of a deviant few manipulating the masses. Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 9 Aug 2011, at 14:35, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Its not racial but it will be made so. Its theft. Our police are pussycats, they have a few cameras, great! Why can you possibly think they have any power? Even the 200 caught will end up free. Again I ask what would have happened if that was Paris (couple of years ago) new york, beijing, dubai, etc... Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:06:52 To: 'Eric B'barl...@gmail.com; 'Ian Murray'ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Cc: 'Leeds List'leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Riots I said it wasn't racial. And our police have less powers than most, possibly all, other European countries so not sure what your point is. From: Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 August 2011 11:57 To: Ian Murray Cc: Mark Humphries; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots hello fellow east germans, based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org ] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe,
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There's been an astonishing amount of Colonel Blimp rubbish spouted on the list about these riots. Probably a good thing because at least it show how many more of us are now part of the establishment than was ever true before. All we have to do is get the next generation of potential rioters in too then there'll be no more problems. As for the Police. I think thay have much much more power than any of their continental European counterparts - the problem isn't there. Maybe it's more to do with the loss of the Mets senior leadership over the last few weeks plus a massive loss of confidence due to the apparently substansiated allegations of corruption at the highest levels of the Met. Where is the Mayor too? No leadership = vaccum (sp?) = field day for rioters Damian ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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If it needs to be out of balance it should be the other way round. No point in having vociferous policing (it isn't anyway) if after spending lots of taxpayers money they get to court and get a suspended sentence or 1 hours community service. In my opinion, if people are acting with anarchy in mind, then let them have anarchic justice when they get caught, and not be able to hide behind the very laws they don't want to obey. Send the fuckers to Afghanistan, I think you'll find that's a bit more of a deterrent than the current sentencing guidelines. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Eric B Sent: 09 August 2011 17:49 To: Nicholas Armit Cc: Leeds list; Leeds List; Dr. Michael Benjamin. Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Someone saying that justice is on the left or on the right is conflicting with justice and its principles/values. Justice is meant to sit bang in the middle of politics. Justice is meant to be non political. If policing is on the right then its probably good that justice sits on the left to even things out a bit. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote: left wing judiciary in the UK? Huh? From: Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com To: m...@leeds-united.net m...@leeds-united.net Cc: Leeds list leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org; Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Someone asked about Police in other countries. My tuppence: I have been astonished at the massive presence with very little or no reason. It's quite intimidating. So its hard to see why they lost control. So I guess the propensity to violence must be higher. I do know that the Police reaction and spontaneous reactions are governed by the cops fear of never being right in any complaint. (my daughters a cop). So if it's bad in Israel I am guessing that it's worse in the UK where the judiciary are very activist and left wing. They call it liberalism. It's the last thing they are. So if there's a general impression that I can get away with it and if I get caught nothing much will happen added to the lack of confidence of the cops and you get London burning. All that without taking into account just how easy it is to reach , mobilize and whip up wannabes and the ease of a deviant few manipulating the masses. Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 9 Aug 2011, at 14:35, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Its not racial but it will be made so. Its theft. Our police are pussycats, they have a few cameras, great! Why can you possibly think they have any power? Even the 200 caught will end up free. Again I ask what would have happened if that was Paris (couple of years ago) new york, beijing, dubai, etc... Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device -Original Message- From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:06:52 To: 'Eric B'barl...@gmail.com; 'Ian Murray'ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Cc: 'Leeds List'leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Riots I said it wasn't racial. And our police have less powers than most, possibly all, other European countries so not sure what your point is. From: Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 August 2011 11:57 To: Ian Murray Cc: Mark Humphries; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots hello fellow east germans, based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org ] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email
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Damian, with respect that is bollocks. First, there are no apparently substantiated allegations, and second, to try and apportion blame to Boris is just ludicrous. If you really must politicise this then blame labour because these scumbags grew up, got their education and their values under a Labour government. I personally believe you always get scumbags in society and the sooner we accept that and stop looking for excuses for them, the better. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Damian Walsh Sent: 09 August 2011 17:59 To: leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] Riots There's been an astonishing amount of Colonel Blimp rubbish spouted on the list about these riots. Probably a good thing because at least it show how many more of us are now part of the establishment than was ever true before. All we have to do is get the next generation of potential rioters in too then there'll be no more problems. As for the Police. I think thay have much much more power than any of their continental European counterparts - the problem isn't there. Maybe it's more to do with the loss of the Mets senior leadership over the last few weeks plus a massive loss of confidence due to the apparently substansiated allegations of corruption at the highest levels of the Met. Where is the Mayor too? No leadership = vaccum (sp?) = field day for rioters Damian ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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When you introduce 27 criminal justice bills and over 3,600 new criminal offences in less than a decade, it will leave everyone confused. This could be part of the problem. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.comwrote: Eric, you get justice in the next life. In this life you get the law. Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 17:49, Eric B barl...@gmail.com wrote: Someone saying that justice is on the left or on the right is conflicting with justice and its principles/values. Justice is meant to sit bang in the middle of politics. Justice is meant to be non political. If policing is on the right then its probably good that justice sits on the left to even things out a bit. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote: left wing judiciary in the UK? Huh? From: Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com To: m...@leeds-united.net m...@leeds-united.net Cc: Leeds list leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org; Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Someone asked about Police in other countries. My tuppence: I have been astonished at the massive presence with very little or no reason. It's quite intimidating. So its hard to see why they lost control. So I guess the propensity to violence must be higher. I do know that the Police reaction and spontaneous reactions are governed by the cops fear of never being right in any complaint. (my daughters a cop). So if it's bad in Israel I am guessing that it's worse in the UK where the judiciary are very activist and left wing. They call it liberalism. It's the last thing they are. So if there's a general impression that I can get away with it and if I get caught nothing much will happen added to the lack of confidence of the cops and you get London burning. All that without taking into account just how easy it is to reach , mobilize and whip up wannabes and the ease of a deviant few manipulating the masses. Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 9 Aug 2011, at 14:35, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Its not racial but it will be made so. Its theft. Our police are pussycats, they have a few cameras, great! Why can you possibly think they have any power? Even the 200 caught will end up free. Again I ask what would have happened if that was Paris (couple of years ago) new york, beijing, dubai, etc... Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:06:52 To: 'Eric B'barl...@gmail.com; 'Ian Murray' ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Cc: 'Leeds List'leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Riots I said it wasn't racial. And our police have less powers than most, possibly all, other European countries so not sure what your point is. From: Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 August 2011 11:57 To: Ian Murray Cc: Mark Humphries; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots hello fellow east germans, based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org ] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___
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The number of laws make no difference...the number of cops makes no difference...the party in power makes no difference...race makes no difference... all the while that accountability for ones actions cannot owned by the individual and instead his lack of accountability is projected onto other people, policies and history then society is only going to get worse and worse. Of course it's someone else's fault.whether you're a thug or a CEO. Cheers Mark El Presidente Wisconsin Whites Leeds United Chicago Fire ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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Neither should sit anywhere. It is the start for the others to interfere. Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com On 9 August 2011 19:49, Eric B barl...@gmail.com wrote: Someone saying that justice is on the left or on the right is conflicting with justice and its principles/values. Justice is meant to sit bang in the middle of politics. Justice is meant to be non political. If policing is on the right then its probably good that justice sits on the left to even things out a bit. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote: left wing judiciary in the UK? Huh? From: Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com To: m...@leeds-united.net m...@leeds-united.net Cc: Leeds list leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org; Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Someone asked about Police in other countries. My tuppence: I have been astonished at the massive presence with very little or no reason. It's quite intimidating. So its hard to see why they lost control. So I guess the propensity to violence must be higher. I do know that the Police reaction and spontaneous reactions are governed by the cops fear of never being right in any complaint. (my daughters a cop). So if it's bad in Israel I am guessing that it's worse in the UK where the judiciary are very activist and left wing. They call it liberalism. It's the last thing they are. So if there's a general impression that I can get away with it and if I get caught nothing much will happen added to the lack of confidence of the cops and you get London burning. All that without taking into account just how easy it is to reach , mobilize and whip up wannabes and the ease of a deviant few manipulating the masses. Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 9 Aug 2011, at 14:35, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Its not racial but it will be made so. Its theft. Our police are pussycats, they have a few cameras, great! Why can you possibly think they have any power? Even the 200 caught will end up free. Again I ask what would have happened if that was Paris (couple of years ago) new york, beijing, dubai, etc... Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:06:52 To: 'Eric B'barl...@gmail.com; 'Ian Murray' ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Cc: 'Leeds List'leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Riots I said it wasn't racial. And our police have less powers than most, possibly all, other European countries so not sure what your point is. From: Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 August 2011 11:57 To: Ian Murray Cc: Mark Humphries; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots hello fellow east germans, based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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I don't see how! The truth is these are mindless thugs - no question. It is daft to ignore the underlying social problems and disenfranchisement of so many chavs though. You could say they have had it too good too long or you could say that they know the government couldn't give a shit about them and they therefore couldn't give a shit about the law. Truth as always probably somewhere in the middle. MOT Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 18:39, Eric B barl...@gmail.com wrote: When you introduce 27 criminal justice bills and over 3,600 new criminal offences in less than a decade, it will leave everyone confused. This could be part of the problem. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Eric, you get justice in the next life. In this life you get the law. Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 17:49, Eric B barl...@gmail.com wrote: Someone saying that justice is on the left or on the right is conflicting with justice and its principles/values. Justice is meant to sit bang in the middle of politics. Justice is meant to be non political. If policing is on the right then its probably good that justice sits on the left to even things out a bit. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote: left wing judiciary in the UK? Huh? From: Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com To: m...@leeds-united.net m...@leeds-united.net Cc: Leeds list leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org; Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Someone asked about Police in other countries. My tuppence: I have been astonished at the massive presence with very little or no reason. It's quite intimidating. So its hard to see why they lost control. So I guess the propensity to violence must be higher. I do know that the Police reaction and spontaneous reactions are governed by the cops fear of never being right in any complaint. (my daughters a cop). So if it's bad in Israel I am guessing that it's worse in the UK where the judiciary are very activist and left wing. They call it liberalism. It's the last thing they are. So if there's a general impression that I can get away with it and if I get caught nothing much will happen added to the lack of confidence of the cops and you get London burning. All that without taking into account just how easy it is to reach , mobilize and whip up wannabes and the ease of a deviant few manipulating the masses. Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 9 Aug 2011, at 14:35, m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Its not racial but it will be made so. Its theft. Our police are pussycats, they have a few cameras, great! Why can you possibly think they have any power? Even the 200 caught will end up free. Again I ask what would have happened if that was Paris (couple of years ago) new york, beijing, dubai, etc... Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:06:52 To: 'Eric B'barl...@gmail.com; 'Ian Murray'ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com Cc: 'Leeds List'leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Riots I said it wasn't racial. And our police have less powers than most, possibly all, other European countries so not sure what your point is. From: Eric B [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 August 2011 11:57 To: Ian Murray Cc: Mark Humphries; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Riots hello fellow east germans, based on what thinking is it racial? As far as I can see its a mix of ethnicities and colors. have you got other information? also, give the police more powers yeah? they ve got all the fucking CCTVs in the world, they ve got extreme powers and what happens? NOTHING. Now they ll be asking for more powers. Mark my word. erich or whatever the east german version of eric is. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Do we think there's a racial element to this? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 07:59, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Water cannon with indelible ink, so they can get the fuckers over the next few weeks. I also think we should have the army on the streets. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org ] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: 08 August 2011 19:46 To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Riots Watching the London riots on TV.. can't believe the police are doing fck all. Shoot the cnuts... or at least set the water cannons on them. Regards Wayne ___ Leedslist mailing
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Clayton is looking well up for it and very sharp. Mark El Presidente Wisconsin Whites Leeds United Chicago Fire ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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Bollox Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 20:13, Mark Tuffey wiscole...@hotmail.com wrote: He had time to settle the ball Mark El Presidente Wisconsin Whites Leeds United Chicago Fire ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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Defensive shite again. Parker this time Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 20:13, Mark Tuffey wiscole...@hotmail.com wrote: He had time to settle the ball Mark El Presidente Wisconsin Whites Leeds United Chicago Fire ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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There is no link at all between 15 year old chavs nicking tvs and phones and the met's leadership or boris's holiday. That's nonsense. I bet 90% don't know who the mayor is Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 17:59, Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com wrote: There's been an astonishing amount of Colonel Blimp rubbish spouted on the list about these riots. Probably a good thing because at least it show how many more of us are now part of the establishment than was ever true before. All we have to do is get the next generation of potential rioters in too then there'll be no more problems. As for the Police. I think thay have much much more power than any of their continental European counterparts - the problem isn't there. Maybe it's more to do with the loss of the Mets senior leadership over the last few weeks plus a massive loss of confidence due to the apparently substansiated allegations of corruption at the highest levels of the Met. Where is the Mayor too? No leadership = vaccum (sp?) = field day for rioters Damian ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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This is a disgrace. Bates will sack Grayson if this continues. Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 20:17, Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net wrote: Defensive shite again. Parker this time Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 20:13, Mark Tuffey wiscole...@hotmail.com wrote: He had time to settle the ball Mark El Presidente Wisconsin Whites Leeds United Chicago Fire ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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I agree in main but timeline starts with thatcher There was always scumbags rogues thieves since caveman times. But in 80s free enterprise worked... Or me me me became everything at a time when industries declined or were killed off. Those who couldn't adapt suffered. However these people on benefits no hope no esteem still bred. Next generation born into poverty life. No aspiration from downtrodden parents these kids then bred often way too early and some of their kids have too so you effectively have every living relative coming from this situation and add in 13 years of new labour holding their hands paying for everything not expecting anything of them. Then add in immigration naturally into poor areas, first and second gen! Bingo Oh. And we are losing and it's shit Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 18:19, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Damian, with respect that is bollocks. First, there are no apparently substantiated allegations, and second, to try and apportion blame to Boris is just ludicrous. If you really must politicise this then blame labour because these scumbags grew up, got their education and their values under a Labour government. I personally believe you always get scumbags in society and the sooner we accept that and stop looking for excuses for them, the better. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Damian Walsh Sent: 09 August 2011 17:59 To: leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] Riots There's been an astonishing amount of Colonel Blimp rubbish spouted on the list about these riots. Probably a good thing because at least it show how many more of us are now part of the establishment than was ever true before. All we have to do is get the next generation of potential rioters in too then there'll be no more problems. As for the Police. I think thay have much much more power than any of their continental European counterparts - the problem isn't there. Maybe it's more to do with the loss of the Mets senior leadership over the last few weeks plus a massive loss of confidence due to the apparently substansiated allegations of corruption at the highest levels of the Met. Where is the Mayor too? No leadership = vaccum (sp?) = field day for rioters Damian ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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Again, bollox. The problem with this country is lack of personal responsibility - this attitude that the state controls everything and owes us all. The removal of competition at school, the removal of discipline at school. Being able to lead a comfortable life on the dole - still able to afford to run a car, to have sky, to smoke 40 tabs a day etc etc. The only people to blame for yobs on the streets are the fucking yobs on the street. How much money has been thrown at community improvement, community projects in poor areas of London? Yet they still take every opportunity to screw over the rest of us who work for a living. As I said before, this generation of yobs are entirely nurtured under Blair/Brown. Maybe if Blair didn't take us into an illegal war in Iraq we might have a few spare soldiers to get onto the streets and knock this shower of shit into shape? But no, lets blame Thatcher, lets blame Major, lets blame Cameron, lets blame Boris. Yawn. -Original Message- From: Matt Anderson [mailto:m...@leeds-united.net] Sent: 09 August 2011 20:38 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Damian Walsh; leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] Riots I agree in main but timeline starts with thatcher There was always scumbags rogues thieves since caveman times. But in 80s free enterprise worked... Or me me me became everything at a time when industries declined or were killed off. Those who couldn't adapt suffered. However these people on benefits no hope no esteem still bred. Next generation born into poverty life. No aspiration from downtrodden parents these kids then bred often way too early and some of their kids have too so you effectively have every living relative coming from this situation and add in 13 years of new labour holding their hands paying for everything not expecting anything of them. Then add in immigration naturally into poor areas, first and second gen! Bingo Oh. And we are losing and it's shit Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 18:19, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Damian, with respect that is bollocks. First, there are no apparently substantiated allegations, and second, to try and apportion blame to Boris is just ludicrous. If you really must politicise this then blame labour because these scumbags grew up, got their education and their values under a Labour government. I personally believe you always get scumbags in society and the sooner we accept that and stop looking for excuses for them, the better. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Damian Walsh Sent: 09 August 2011 17:59 To: leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] Riots There's been an astonishing amount of Colonel Blimp rubbish spouted on the list about these riots. Probably a good thing because at least it show how many more of us are now part of the establishment than was ever true before. All we have to do is get the next generation of potential rioters in too then there'll be no more problems. As for the Police. I think thay have much much more power than any of their continental European counterparts - the problem isn't there. Maybe it's more to do with the loss of the Mets senior leadership over the last few weeks plus a massive loss of confidence due to the apparently substansiated allegations of corruption at the highest levels of the Met. Where is the Mayor too? No leadership = vaccum (sp?) = field day for rioters Damian ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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Well said fellano responsibility from anyone anymore...especially parents...but let's not let that get in the way of a good apologist festlet's blame Dame Thatcher for the sins of B-lair and Clown...oh and Bob Stokoe tooFFS! -Original Message- From: Mark Humphries Sent: 09 August 2011 21:48 To: 'Matt Anderson' Cc: 'leedslist' Subject: Re: [LU] Riots Again, bollox. The problem with this country is lack of personal responsibility - this attitude that the state controls everything and owes us all. The removal of competition at school, the removal of discipline at school. Being able to lead a comfortable life on the dole - still able to afford to run a car, to have sky, to smoke 40 tabs a day etc etc. The only people to blame for yobs on the streets are the fucking yobs on the street. How much money has been thrown at community improvement, community projects in poor areas of London? Yet they still take every opportunity to screw over the rest of us who work for a living. As I said before, this generation of yobs are entirely nurtured under Blair/Brown. Maybe if Blair didn't take us into an illegal war in Iraq we might have a few spare soldiers to get onto the streets and knock this shower of shit into shape? But no, lets blame Thatcher, lets blame Major, lets blame Cameron, lets blame Boris. Yawn. -Original Message- From: Matt Anderson [mailto:m...@leeds-united.net] Sent: 09 August 2011 20:38 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Damian Walsh; leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] Riots I agree in main but timeline starts with thatcher There was always scumbags rogues thieves since caveman times. But in 80s free enterprise worked... Or me me me became everything at a time when industries declined or were killed off. Those who couldn't adapt suffered. However these people on benefits no hope no esteem still bred. Next generation born into poverty life. No aspiration from downtrodden parents these kids then bred often way too early and some of their kids have too so you effectively have every living relative coming from this situation and add in 13 years of new labour holding their hands paying for everything not expecting anything of them. Then add in immigration naturally into poor areas, first and second gen! Bingo Oh. And we are losing and it's shit Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 18:19, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Damian, with respect that is bollocks. First, there are no apparently substantiated allegations, and second, to try and apportion blame to Boris is just ludicrous. If you really must politicise this then blame labour because these scumbags grew up, got their education and their values under a Labour government. I personally believe you always get scumbags in society and the sooner we accept that and stop looking for excuses for them, the better. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Damian Walsh Sent: 09 August 2011 17:59 To: leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] Riots There's been an astonishing amount of Colonel Blimp rubbish spouted on the list about these riots. Probably a good thing because at least it show how many more of us are now part of the establishment than was ever true before. All we have to do is get the next generation of potential rioters in too then there'll be no more problems. As for the Police. I think thay have much much more power than any of their continental European counterparts - the problem isn't there. Maybe it's more to do with the loss of the Mets senior leadership over the last few weeks plus a massive loss of confidence due to the apparently substansiated allegations of corruption at the highest levels of the Met. Where is the Mayor too? No leadership = vaccum (sp?) = field day for rioters Damian ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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I grew up on council estates. My parents always worked. We didn't have a phone in the house until 1981. We didn't own a car. My first pair of football boots were moulded studs, back in the day when moulded studs were the poor option. I didn't have my first pair of brand trainers until I bought them myself, from my wages, and I had to save up for them. I didn't drink or smoke. They expect us to either think these chavs are poor, with their adidas tracksuits, calvin klein boxers, gold necklaces, diamond earrings, iphones etc etc, or it in some way excuses them for being cunts? Most NORMAL people, most POOR people, if they want something they save their money and buy it when they have saved up enough money. They don't think, fuck this, I cant afford a new phone, I will go and mug someone (who has saved up themselves to buy it). They don't think I know, I'll go and burn a fucking car because I cant afford a car like that. They don't think, I am going to break in to poundland. Poundland!! If that alone doesn't tell you everything about why they are doing this. Nothing to do with money, nothing to do with poverty, nothing to do with jobs or the economy, nothing to do with some kind of social revolution, just pure cheap thrills of nicking gear and smashing stuff up. No respect for other peoples property because they expect and demand society gives them everything, they think the state owes them everything. They have never had to save for anything, they just get given it or take it. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Matt Anderson Sent: 09 August 2011 20:26 To: Damian Walsh Cc: leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] Riots There is no link at all between 15 year old chavs nicking tvs and phones and the met's leadership or boris's holiday. That's nonsense. I bet 90% don't know who the mayor is Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 17:59, Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com wrote: There's been an astonishing amount of Colonel Blimp rubbish spouted on the list about these riots. Probably a good thing because at least it show how many more of us are now part of the establishment than was ever true before. All we have to do is get the next generation of potential rioters in too then there'll be no more problems. As for the Police. I think thay have much much more power than any of their continental European counterparts - the problem isn't there. Maybe it's more to do with the loss of the Mets senior leadership over the last few weeks plus a massive loss of confidence due to the apparently substansiated allegations of corruption at the highest levels of the Met. Where is the Mayor too? No leadership = vaccum (sp?) = field day for rioters Damian ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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Try reading it. I blamed new labour. I forgot about major's existence and I think you are on thin ice and some sort of Tory boy revisionist if you deny thatcher destroyed communities by rationalising industries. As a matter of interest I voted fir boris to get rid of ken. I agree about the personal responsibility thing. It's always someone else's fault But seriously.., are you replying tobacco different email? Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 21:48, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Again, bollox. The problem with this country is lack of personal responsibility - this attitude that the state controls everything and owes us all. The removal of competition at school, the removal of discipline at school. Being able to lead a comfortable life on the dole - still able to afford to run a car, to have sky, to smoke 40 tabs a day etc etc. The only people to blame for yobs on the streets are the fucking yobs on the street. How much money has been thrown at community improvement, community projects in poor areas of London? Yet they still take every opportunity to screw over the rest of us who work for a living. As I said before, this generation of yobs are entirely nurtured under Blair/Brown. Maybe if Blair didn't take us into an illegal war in Iraq we might have a few spare soldiers to get onto the streets and knock this shower of shit into shape? But no, lets blame Thatcher, lets blame Major, lets blame Cameron, lets blame Boris. Yawn. -Original Message- From: Matt Anderson [mailto:m...@leeds-united.net] Sent: 09 August 2011 20:38 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Damian Walsh; leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] Riots I agree in main but timeline starts with thatcher There was always scumbags rogues thieves since caveman times. But in 80s free enterprise worked... Or me me me became everything at a time when industries declined or were killed off. Those who couldn't adapt suffered. However these people on benefits no hope no esteem still bred. Next generation born into poverty life. No aspiration from downtrodden parents these kids then bred often way too early and some of their kids have too so you effectively have every living relative coming from this situation and add in 13 years of new labour holding their hands paying for everything not expecting anything of them. Then add in immigration naturally into poor areas, first and second gen! Bingo Oh. And we are losing and it's shit Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 18:19, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Damian, with respect that is bollocks. First, there are no apparently substantiated allegations, and second, to try and apportion blame to Boris is just ludicrous. If you really must politicise this then blame labour because these scumbags grew up, got their education and their values under a Labour government. I personally believe you always get scumbags in society and the sooner we accept that and stop looking for excuses for them, the better. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Damian Walsh Sent: 09 August 2011 17:59 To: leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] Riots There's been an astonishing amount of Colonel Blimp rubbish spouted on the list about these riots. Probably a good thing because at least it show how many more of us are now part of the establishment than was ever true before. All we have to do is get the next generation of potential rioters in too then there'll be no more problems. As for the Police. I think thay have much much more power than any of their continental European counterparts - the problem isn't there. Maybe it's more to do with the loss of the Mets senior leadership over the last few weeks plus a massive loss of confidence due to the apparently substansiated allegations of corruption at the highest levels of the Met. Where is the Mayor too? No leadership = vaccum (sp?) = field day for rioters Damian ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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Again... What email are you replying to because I agreed with you Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 22:00, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I grew up on council estates. My parents always worked. We didn't have a phone in the house until 1981. We didn't own a car. My first pair of football boots were moulded studs, back in the day when moulded studs were the poor option. I didn't have my first pair of brand trainers until I bought them myself, from my wages, and I had to save up for them. I didn't drink or smoke. They expect us to either think these chavs are poor, with their adidas tracksuits, calvin klein boxers, gold necklaces, diamond earrings, iphones etc etc, or it in some way excuses them for being cunts? Most NORMAL people, most POOR people, if they want something they save their money and buy it when they have saved up enough money. They don't think, fuck this, I cant afford a new phone, I will go and mug someone (who has saved up themselves to buy it). They don't think I know, I'll go and burn a fucking car because I cant afford a car like that. They don't think, I am going to break in to poundland. Poundland!! If that alone doesn't tell you everything about why they are doing this. Nothing to do with money, nothing to do with poverty, nothing to do with jobs or the economy, nothing to do with some kind of social revolution, just pure cheap thrills of nicking gear and smashing stuff up. No respect for other peoples property because they expect and demand society gives them everything, they think the state owes them everything. They have never had to save for anything, they just get given it or take it. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Matt Anderson Sent: 09 August 2011 20:26 To: Damian Walsh Cc: leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] Riots There is no link at all between 15 year old chavs nicking tvs and phones and the met's leadership or boris's holiday. That's nonsense. I bet 90% don't know who the mayor is Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 17:59, Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com wrote: There's been an astonishing amount of Colonel Blimp rubbish spouted on the list about these riots. Probably a good thing because at least it show how many more of us are now part of the establishment than was ever true before. All we have to do is get the next generation of potential rioters in too then there'll be no more problems. As for the Police. I think thay have much much more power than any of their continental European counterparts - the problem isn't there. Maybe it's more to do with the loss of the Mets senior leadership over the last few weeks plus a massive loss of confidence due to the apparently substansiated allegations of corruption at the highest levels of the Met. Where is the Mayor too? No leadership = vaccum (sp?) = field day for rioters Damian ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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Wife was admitted to St James's Hospital this evening, and on my return home which was via Chapletown I saw at least 6 police vehicles heading at speed to different places with blue lights flashing - interestingly on one occasion in opposite directions on the same road. Saw no crowds and no riots though ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
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Lots of responses to lots of points - its much easier down the pub ;) First of all, Steve - I hope your wife is OK and its nothing serious. Then the Met and the mayor: no leadership, who is handling these riots (looting without the rioting as far as we see from afar), Superindentants? Divisional comanders? No wonder there's copy cats springing uo all over the place. Who is in charge? And I hope it's not someone who has accepted bribes (apparently substantiated) from any media group who quite frankly have a vested interest in selling papers during August. As for personal responsibility. Yes. But it works both ways. You have to realise that someone may well be better off looting a Dixons than not looting a Dixons. Where is that person's responsibility? Treat him as a scumbag and he'll always riot given the opportunity, bring him into the system and he won't. Thatcher's ultimate response to Brixton Toxteth BW Farm was to rein in the police (repeal of Sus, racial profiling of Police action etc) and to throw money at those disaffected communities. It worked. The rolling back of those efforts under Blair Brown (especially including many more police powers) has exposed the limits. The lack of current leadership has made the problem worse. What do you do? Try and make things better for everyone? Or not? Damian PS Mark - respect appreciated and returned whole heartedly - shame we're not down the pub ;) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
