Re: log4j2 evangelism

Updated the Wikipedia page for Log4j some more. The Log Levels and Configuration sections are now up to date for Log4j 2, and show a Log4j 2 configuration example. On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:09 PM, Mikael Ståldal wrote: > > I updated the Apache Logging page to mention

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> I updated the Apache Logging page to mention that Log4j 1 is EOL. > I added the EOL announcement to the top of all main pages in the Log4j 1 site. Should we do the same for "Apache log4j 1 extras"? On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Remko Popma wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun

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On 07/05/2016 02:04 PM, Matt Sicker wrote: Oh, I like this idea of a more useful homepage. Great. Most of the time all I hear is crickets :) However, I don't think we can track download statistics all that well as most people download it straight from Maven Central. There's some data here:

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I've made a ticket to track the homepage improvements: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-1456 On 5 July 2016 at 12:50, Ole Ersoy wrote: > It may help if the performance chart for multiple threads were moved to > the index page, followed by simple code use and

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Oh, I like this idea of a more useful homepage. However, I don't think we can track download statistics all that well as most people download it straight from Maven Central. On 5 July 2016 at 12:50, Ole Ersoy wrote: > It may help if the performance chart for multiple

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It may help if the performance chart for multiple threads were moved to the index page, followed by simple code use and integration steps for other libraries. The front page could be less verbose and more informative / executive summary'ish. When looking for packages on NPM the first thing I

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We have benchmarks pretty prominently displayed: https://logging.apache.org/log4j/2.x/performance.html Also, SLF4J is comparable to log4j-api; both need a logging library to actually work such as log4j-core, logback, log4j 1.x, or java.util.logging. Personally, I've found async logging to be a

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I personally like log4j 2 a lot (Because of Java 8 lambda support, cleaner architecture, etc.) and switching for me was really easy because I use lombok annotations to generate the logger. But what would be the "Killer" reason to upgrade if say someone is using SLF4J? For example HikariCP

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So what sites are best to get syndicated on for this? I get a lot of my programming news from various subreddits for instance (r/programming, r/java, r/coding) along with Twitter. Otherwise, I learn about new things usually from java user groups or online presentations before digging into detailed

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On Jul 2, 2016 4:34 PM, "Remko Popma" wrote: > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2016/07/03, at 5:01, Ralph Goers wrote: > >> Personally, I don’t think talks do all that much. Articles are great, but IMO the best route is in trying to get other

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 11:52 PM, Remko Popma wrote: > In spite of the fact that Log4j 2 has a very compelling story in terms of > feature set and performance, I get the impression that adoption is quite > slow. I could be wrong, but how many open source projects use Log4j

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Actually I wanted to +1 the "let's get other OSS projects to use Log4j 2" part. I still think many people aren't even aware that Log4j 2 exists or when they do they dismiss it as too new, can't be stable yet. Talks and articles _will_ help. Remko On Sunday, 3 July 2016, Remko Popma

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Sent from my iPhone > On 2016/07/03, at 5:01, Ralph Goers wrote: > > Personally, I don’t think talks do all that much. Articles are great, but IMO > the best route is in trying to get other open source projects to use Log4j. +1 > Then people who start to use

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Personally, I don’t think talks do all that much. Articles are great, but IMO the best route is in trying to get other open source projects to use Log4j. Then people who start to use those other projects are forced to learn about Log4j. Ralph > On Jul 2, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Matt Sicker

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If we could get a talk in to something big like JavaOne, that might help adoption, though I have no idea what kind of talks they accept from non-Oracle people (if any). On 2 July 2016 at 08:57, Remko Popma wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 11:52 PM, Remko Popma

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 11:52 PM, Remko Popma wrote: > In spite of the fact that Log4j 2 has a very compelling story in terms of > feature set and performance, I get the impression that adoption is quite > slow. I could be wrong, but how many open source projects use Log4j

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Thanks! Sent from my iPhone > On 2016/06/23, at 3:55, Ralph Goers wrote: > > Please let me know if http://wiki.apache.org/logging/ManagingTheWebSite > doesn’t have the answers you are looking for. > > Ralph > >> On Jun 22, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Gary Gregory

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Please let me know if http://wiki.apache.org/logging/ManagingTheWebSite doesn’t have the answers you are looking for. Ralph > On Jun 22, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:34 AM,

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On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Remko Popma wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:30 PM, Remko Popma > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, 13 June 2016, Remko Popma wrote: >> >>> In spite of the fact that Log4j 2 has a very

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On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:30 PM, Remko Popma wrote: > > > On Monday, 13 June 2016, Remko Popma wrote: > >> In spite of the fact that Log4j 2 has a very compelling story in terms of >> feature set and performance, I get the impression that adoption

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On Monday, 13 June 2016, Remko Popma wrote: > In spite of the fact that Log4j 2 has a very compelling story in terms of > feature set and performance, I get the impression that adoption is quite > slow. I could be wrong, but how many open source projects use Log4j 2? Or >

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It would be 12:00 Central Time which would be midnight for you. In your case, though, doing a presentation on vJUG24 < http://www.meetup.com/virtualJUG/events/230866327/> might work rather well as it's international at all times of the day and night. On 18 June 2016 at 18:11, Remko Popma

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Great! Let me know when you'd be available to do one and I can start arranging this with IJUG. On 16 June 2016 at 00:08, Gary Gregory wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Matt Sicker wrote: > >> I've already asked Ralph and now Gary, but let me

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Matt Sicker wrote: > I've already asked Ralph and now Gary, but let me pose the question openly > instead. Would any of you be interested in doing an online presentation for > Illinois JUG? > I can do that sure. Gary Here's our meetup group:

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On Tuesday, 14 June 2016, Ralph Goers wrote: > The biggest complaints we seem to be getting are about the effort in > transitioning from Log4j 1.x to 2. To be fair, they would have the same > amount of effort to transition to anything. I believe someone created a >

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On Tuesday, 14 June 2016, Matt Sicker wrote: > Shall we add links to those on our site? > We should check that they actually work :-) but yes, that's a good idea. Maybe also add Logback Migration and JUL Migration pages. > > On 13 June 2016 at 12:57, Ralph Goers

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Shall we add links to those on our site? On 13 June 2016 at 12:57, Ralph Goers wrote: > http://log4j-props2xml.appspot.com/ > https://github.com/jroyals/log4j-properties-converter/ > > https://github.com/mulesoft-labs/log4j2-migrator > > Ralph > > > On Jun 13, 2016,

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http://log4j-props2xml.appspot.com/ https://github.com/jroyals/log4j-properties-converter/ https://github.com/mulesoft-labs/log4j2-migrator Ralph

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What would be neat would be a tool like this one: http://logback.qos.ch/translator/ On 13 June 2016 at 12:08, Gary Gregory wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Ralph Goers > wrote: > >> The biggest complaints we seem to be getting are

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: > The biggest complaints we seem to be getting are about the effort in > transitioning from Log4j 1.x to 2. To be fair, they would have the same > amount of effort to transition to anything. I believe someone

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The biggest complaints we seem to be getting are about the effort in transitioning from Log4j 1.x to 2. To be fair, they would have the same amount of effort to transition to anything. I believe someone created a tool to help convert Log4j 1.x configuration to Log4j 2 format. At the very

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And to make things worse, some Apache projects (in particular Zookeeper) even uses SLF4J with a specific binding (Log4j 1 in this case) as a dependency, which makes it a P.I.T.A. to use it with Log4j 2 (or with any other logging framework such as Logback for that matter). On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at

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I've already asked Ralph and now Gary, but let me pose the question openly instead. Would any of you be interested in doing an online presentation for Illinois JUG? Here's our meetup group: < http://www.meetup.com/illinoisJUGvirtual/>. I did a lightning talk about async logging (and a little bit

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I've done an in person preso at two JUG in Southern California that were well received. I did not think of recording them for YouTube though. Promoting within Apache and especially new projects would help IMO. I've also seen that folks do not know that Log4j 2 has a new modern architecture with

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Oh, another thing that would help is doing presentations on log4j. Myself and a few others run a virtual java user group (and an in-person one) in Illinois that accepts presenters from around the world for instance. Then there's the London VirtualJUG as well which is super popular. Plus any local

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I've noticed a big problem is that people don't realize you can use log4j-api the same way you would normally use slf4j-api. Plus it doesn't help that tons of Apache projects are using SLF4J which makes it a sort of tacit endorsement of it over log4j-api. Some attention on sites like Reddit or