Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 07:49:48AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > Yes, there _are_ always round it, but some people don't have the time > or knowledge to do that. You're more than welcome to snag this Java 1.1 SSH client at http://paulm.com/login/index.html http://paulm.com/login/mindtermfull.jar

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Dave Cross
At 17:37 22/05/2001, Roger Burton West wrote: >On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:23:32PM +0100, Cross David - dcross typed: > > >I've not actually seen the manifesto, but from what I'm told it really means > >If you can't be bothered to take a few minutes to look, why the hell are >you posting a

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Gareth Harper
From: "Dominic Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 03:06:39PM +0100, Barbie wrote: > > From: "Robert Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > From: Roger Burton West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > man 1 file > > > > man 5 magic > > > > less /usr/share/misc/magic # on

Re: [announce] Tie::Hash::Rank

2001-05-22 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 10:17:18PM +0200, Marcel Grunauer wrote: > Looks good. Also works with Attribute::TieClasses (once I had replaced > the '#!/usr/bin/perl -w' with 'use warnings', mysteriously). Perhaps because I have a 'no warnings' in T::H::R? -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ht

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 09:14:05PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: > On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 11:11:23AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: > > > > I *loathe* Exchange. > > > > But they fixed references in 6.0! No, wait, they just introduced a > > load of Thread-* headers :-( Fucking morons. > > They just i

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Alex Gough
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote: > hmmm .. I was tempted just to let it pass .. but I can't resist ;) > > What you need to remember is this : They will say ANYTHING to get your > vote .. ANYTHING. Even the truth? I'd very much doubt that. Alex Gough -- I don't believe that honesty l

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Paul Mison wrote: > On 22/05/2001 at 16:19 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: > > >the immediate feeling I get is to rent some cellars at the houses of > >parliament and invest in a number of big barrels of gunpowder .. oh hang > >on that ones been done before and had a distinctly

Re: [announce] Tie::Hash::Rank

2001-05-22 Thread Marcel Grunauer
On Tuesday, May 22, 2001, at 09:32 PM, David Cantrell wrote: > I've just put a complete version of Tie::Hash::Rank on my webshite for 'webshite'? shurely shome mishtake? > your enjoyment. I'd be grateful if some of you could download it and > test it before I submit it to CPAN. > > http://

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Martin Ling
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 11:11:23AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: > > I *loathe* Exchange. > > But they fixed references in 6.0! No, wait, they just introduced a > load of Thread-* headers :-( Fucking morons. They just innovated threading! Tell me you're joking. Martin

[announce] Tie::Hash::Rank

2001-05-22 Thread David Cantrell
I've just put a complete version of Tie::Hash::Rank on my webshite for your enjoyment. I'd be grateful if some of you could download it and test it before I submit it to CPAN. http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/tech/Tie-Hash-Rank-1.0.tar.gz It has what I hope is a comprehensive test suite anywa

Re: [OT] Food exports?

2001-05-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
"Barry Pretsell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > embargo has been due to foot and mouth, embargo is bi-directional and covers > meat as well. Any references to this? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.d

Re: [OT] Food exports?

2001-05-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
"Barry Pretsell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here's the leaflets given to travellers > > http://www.maff.gov.uk/animalh/int-trde/misc/foot/flyer.pdf oops :-) -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep

Re: [OT] Food exports?

2001-05-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Barry Pretsell wrote: > Here's the leaflets given to travellers > > http://www.maff.gov.uk/animalh/int-trde/misc/foot/flyer.pdf Strangely enough .. I have friends in North Wales who had reason to have speach (in welsh, unsurprisingly) with a local farmer the other day. Seem

Re: [OT] Food exports?

2001-05-22 Thread Barry Pretsell
Here's the leaflets given to travellers http://www.maff.gov.uk/animalh/int-trde/misc/foot/flyer.pdf - Original Message - From: "Dave Hodgkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: [OT] Food exports? > > Someone just laid what I

Re: [OT] Food exports?

2001-05-22 Thread Barry Pretsell
embargo has been due to foot and mouth, embargo is bi-directional and covers meat as well. - Original Message - From: "Dave Hodgkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: [OT] Food exports? > > Someone just laid what I think is a fre

[OT] Food exports?

2001-05-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Someone just laid what I think is a fresh urban myth on me, but is there any kind of embargo on comestibles going from England to France? Like even wrapped chocolate? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 06:49:01PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: > Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: > > > [SNIP!] > > Please fix your mailer to do proper In-Reply-To and References > headers. It's really really annoying. I *loathe* Exchange. But they fixed reference

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Martin Ling
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:25:36PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: > > Thanks, that's going in my sigfile. Your sigfile is a mighty repository of evil. Martin

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Leon Brocard
Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: > [SNIP!] Please fix your mailer to do proper In-Reply-To and References headers. It's really really annoying. Leon -- ... Money is the root of all wealth

Re: Happy Happy Joy Joy!

2001-05-22 Thread Philip Newton
David H. Adler wrote: > dha, who thinks the overseas copies got somehow shipped before the > domestic ones... I *think* I read once that that's their policy. It's a nice move, since overseas people have to wait longer anyway -- so if their copies are shipped earlier, they might just get them no m

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Philip Newton
Robert Thompson wrote: > This site contains info about the raw file formats of numerous graphic > types, including sig/header block formats. And there's always http://www.wotsit.org/ "The Programmer's File Format Collection". Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 22 May 2001, David H. Adler wrote: > > Hey, maybe it's one of those cheapo 'made in China' jobs. Of course, > > if it paid for a Martin or a Lowden or something else equally lovely, > > then well done Mr Adler. > > Ah, I wish... > > The truth is somewhere in between. I got a Burns Marq

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 22/5/01 5:26 pm, Robin Szemeti wrote: >> Errr... no PR yet for general elections! > > really .. are you sure ? .. I'm certain this lot said they were going > to do something about that ... how odd. It was part of the buttering-up in case of a need for a Lib-Lab pact. It's certainly been push

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:37:23PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: > If you can't be bothered to take a few minutes to look, why the hell are > you posting about it? But I wanna type, I wanna type, I wanna type! Roger, where we come from we have a word for people like that. -- I did write and

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:23:32PM +0100, Cross David - dcross typed: >I've not actually seen the manifesto, but from what I'm told it really means If you can't be bothered to take a few minutes to look, why the hell are you posting about it? The actual text is: "A future Conservative

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Chris Heathcote wrote: > on 22/5/01 4:19 pm, Robin Szemeti wrote: > > > thank goodness for > > proportioanl representation, it should make the next parliament a lot > > more representative of what people actually want, ratehr than a choice > > between 2 (and a half ) evils. >

RE: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Cross David - dcross
From: Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 4:03 PM > According to the Register ... > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19112.html > > the Tory's want to repeal IR35, I've not actually seen the manifesto, but from what I'm told it really means We're going to rep

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:16:41PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: >Labour were voted in on the basis of the Tories screw ups. Yes, so what you said about the party's previous record as, indeed, irrelevant. > Labour hasn't screwed up yet. Thanks, that's going in my sigfile. Oh, and fix your

Re: Eh up! Abysinnia!

2001-05-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 12:06 22/05/01 -0400, you wrote: >If you haven't guessed, i'm from the states. Ah. So 'Mars' wasn't too close. :-) -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 17:01 22/05/01 +0100, you wrote: >Right, yes, which is why we - sorry, you plural, I was way out of the country >at the time - elected Labour based on their fantastic performance last time >which lead to the General Strike and the Winter of Discontent. Sorry, a >nanosecond of thought would show

Eh up! Abysinnia!

2001-05-22 Thread Dan Packer
Greg McCarroll and his (extraordinarily) lovely wife have, for the time being, sufficiently brainwashed me as to convince me to for some indeterminate amount of time, muck-in this kooky kerfuffle. And lastly, in the tradition of me old beloved ny.pm, but not leastly (but yeastly), "BEER". The int

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:44:25PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: > We vote for the encumbent party until they screw up big time and then we > switch and repeat the process. Except we don't while they can arrange for elections to be when everyone's forgotten about their big screwups. Also, in fa

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-22 Thread David H. Adler
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 08:43:39AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: > Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > At 23:30 21/05/2001, David H. Adler wrote: > > >On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > > > > > > > > Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do,

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 22/5/01 4:46 pm, Simon Wistow wrote: > Simon Cozens wrote: > >> I've yet to hear a Labour MP talk eloquently about anything at all. Anyone >> ever talked - sorry, tried talking - to their MP about RIP? > > Harriet Harman tried to tell me that I didn't really know about > computers or the Int

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Paul Mison
On 22/05/2001 at 16:19 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: >the immediate feeling I get is to rent some cellars at the houses of >parliament and invest in a number of big barrels of gunpowder .. oh hang >on that ones been done before and had a distinctly negative outcome .. OK >.. perhaps someting more

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 16:31 22/05/01 +0100, you wrote: >On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:16:16PM +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote: >> From air-conditioned tubes, thru to RIPA, to cheap petrol, it's >> bandwagon-jumping. > >Ah, congratulations! You seem to have been completely politically >brainwashed; i The cynicism of the e

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Leon Brocard
Chris Heathcote sent the following bits through the ether: > It seems that every promise in the Tory manifesto is based on hearsay It'd be okay if they were based on shaggy or fat boy slim... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...h

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 22/5/01 4:19 pm, Robin Szemeti wrote: > thank goodness for > proportioanl representation, it should make the next parliament a lot > more representative of what people actually want, ratehr than a choice > between 2 (and a half ) evils. Errr... no PR yet for general elections! Slight aside,

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Wistow
Simon Cozens wrote: > I've yet to hear a Labour MP talk eloquently about anything at all. Anyone > ever talked - sorry, tried talking - to their MP about RIP? Harriet Harman tried to tell me that I didn't really know about computers or the Internet. Personally I don't believe a word anybody say

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 16:02 22/05/01 +0100, you wrote: >the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local >Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning that if >you pretend to be a teenager on the Net you can be jailed for 5 years >(bad luck bK). They are politicians. They

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: > According to the Register ... > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19112.html > > the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local > Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning that if > you pretend to be

Attributes galore

2001-05-22 Thread Marcel Grunauer
This is something like a request for comments. Playing around with attributes (as per Attribute::Handler), I've done several more attribute handlers and have also bundled a few into one module but am not quite sure what to call it. First, here are examples of those handlers: 1) Attribute::Tools

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:16:16PM +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote: > From air-conditioned tubes, thru to RIPA, to cheap petrol, it's > bandwagon-jumping. Ah, congratulations! You seem to have been completely politically brainwashed; it's become so de rigeur for parties to completely disregard the w

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 22/5/01 4:02 pm, Simon Wistow wrote: > the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local > Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning that if > you pretend to be a teenager on the Net you can be jailed for 5 years > (bad luck bK). It seems that every

tpj #20

2001-05-22 Thread Nathan Torkington
Nobody noticed that in my article's code examples I revealed my pick for sexiest slayer on Buffy. Pout. Nat

OT: Eiswein

2001-05-22 Thread Chris Heathcote
(because people were talking about it) http://just-drinks.com/news_detail.asp?art=12376&dm=yes ROME, May 21 (Reuters) - Canada has won the right to compete with Germany and Austria in supplying Europeans with "Icewine," a sugary dessert wine made from grapes harested in freezing temperatures. c

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:02:33PM +0100, Simon Wistow typed: >According to the Register ... > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19112.html > >the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local >Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning tha

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 03:06:39PM +0100, Barbie wrote: > From: "Robert Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > From: Roger Burton West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > man 1 file > > > man 5 magic > > > less /usr/share/misc/magic # on many systems > > > > > > > except anything written my MS of

RE: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Robert Thompson
This site contains info about the raw file formats of numerous graphic types, including sig/header block formats. All useful for anyone wanting to play with graphics. http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/~mxr/gfx/ Rob --- Any views expressed in t

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Barbie
From: "Robert Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > From: Roger Burton West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > man 1 file > > man 5 magic > > less /usr/share/misc/magic # on many systems > > > > except anything written my MS of course... Which is precisely what this install of ActivePerl sits on. Luc

RE: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Robert Thompson
> From: Roger Burton West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > man 1 file > man 5 magic > less /usr/share/misc/magic # on many systems > except anything written my MS of course... Rob --- Any views expressed in this message are those of

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 02:48:17PM +0100, Robert Thompson typed: >Open up the file, read in the first few bytes and grab the magic number. >Most types of binary file have a marker of some kind to designate what they >are. Any half decent book on graphics programming should be able to tel

RE: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Robert Thompson
> > > I don't know if you are parsing mail or something else, > > Isolated file. > > > If you are trying to figure it out magically based on just > the file format > or filename or > > something (e.g. just pointing it at a raw jpeg) I didn't > think MIME:: > would help. > > Unfortunately I ha

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Barbie
From: "Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I don't know if you are parsing mail or something else, Isolated file. > If you are trying to figure it out magically based on just the file format or filename or > something (e.g. just pointing it at a raw jpeg) I didn't think MIME:: would help.

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Barbie
From: "Dominic Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dunno about your MIME problem (sorry), but somebody on irc mentioned > trying cpan2.org instead. Ahh! Got it. Thanks. Found the following: "Due to nonuniqueness of MIME encodings, there is a very good chance that your output will not I resemble y

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 13:27 22/05/01 +0100, you wrote: I don't know if you are parsing mail or something else, but in the past I've had luck with MIME::Parser using the effective_type() method to get the mime type out of emails. If you are trying to figure it out magically based on just the file format or filenam

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 01:27:10PM +0100, Barbie wrote: > Using the code below, and calling the routine with a *.jpg file. Why does > the mime_type return "text/plain"? I've also tried using MIME::Head->read > with a filehandle and it returns the same. I would investigate CPAN further > for clues

MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Barbie
Using the code below, and calling the routine with a *.jpg file. Why does the mime_type return "text/plain"? I've also tried using MIME::Head->read with a filehandle and it returns the same. I would investigate CPAN further for clues (and the examples that ActivePerl decided not to include), but i

Re: penderel going down for a little while

2001-05-22 Thread AEF
On Mon, 21 May 2001, jo walsh wrote: > please wibble at me soon if this will cause you problems, or wibble at me > or alex tomorrow if there are things you feel you're missing. I don't seem to have my yacht or my large villa in Southern France. Is this your fault? Tony

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-22 Thread Piers Cawley
Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At 23:30 21/05/2001, David H. Adler wrote: > >On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > > > > > > Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then > > > they're in for a big shock. > > > >...and you can just imagine