[LUTE] Re: New cd by Anthony Bailes

2010-04-04 Thread chriswilke
Dear Ed, --- On Sun, 4/4/10, Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com wrote: From: Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com Subject: [LUTE] New cd by Anthony Bailes To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 2:47 AM The mensur is 76 cm (!!), quite

[LUTE] Re: HIP, was string tension of all things

2010-03-31 Thread chriswilke
Vance, Well said. About a year ago, I saw a documentary about ancient Greek artifacts. (I'm not an expert in the field, but I assume from the tone of the piece that content of the doc represents uncontroversial, mainstream science and common knowledge within archeology.) It seems the

[LUTE] Re: HIP, was string tension of all things

2010-03-28 Thread chriswilke
Ron, et al, --- On Sun, 3/28/10, Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: HIP, was string tension of all things To: vidan...@sbcglobal.net, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 7:36 AM For instance, he points out

[LUTE] Re: Falckenhagen Duo in F major

2010-03-28 Thread chriswilke
Manolo, It's in the Augsburg ms. Chris --- On Sun, 3/28/10, man...@manololaguillo.com man...@manololaguillo.com wrote: From: man...@manololaguillo.com man...@manololaguillo.com Subject: [LUTE] Falckenhagen Duo in F major To: Lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, March 28,

[LUTE] Re: String tension - HIP

2010-03-27 Thread chriswilke
Hi David, --- On Fri, 3/26/10, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: String tension To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 4:50 PM On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:17 PM, There

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti - date of Allemande....

2010-03-23 Thread chriswilke
What about the pieces in Goess? They have been brought up in this thread but I'm still not clear if there's any consensus about AM's authorship. Chris --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re:

[LUTE] Re: should i learn thumb-under technique?

2010-03-22 Thread chriswilke
Mark, --- On Sun, 3/21/10, terli...@aol.com terli...@aol.com wrote: The right hand fingerings commonly used by guitarists for the Carcassi studies are all derived for Llobet's fingering. Quite possibly, makes perfect sense. Unfortunately, Llobet did not become the standard in the last

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mozart ID

2010-03-19 Thread chriswilke
Thanks to all with your help in identifying the piece. If you at home guessed Rondo in D, K. 485, you win! The thing that threw me off in finding this piece was that Mozart used a different rhythmic notation in the first measure from Carulli - I must have flipped right past it in haste. He

[LUTE] Mozart identification help

2010-03-19 Thread chriswilke
Hello all, I know this is a little bit OT, but I could use some help with identifying a piece. On my 19th century guitar, I'm playing Carulli's duo arrangement of two pieces by Mozart which he has entitled Andante et Rondo de Mozart. The editors of this particular edition have given no other

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Mozart ID

2010-03-19 Thread chriswilke
Hello all, I know this is a little bit OT, but I could use some help with identifying a piece. On my 19th century guitar, I'm playing Carulli's duo arrangement of two pieces by Mozart which he has entitled Andante et Rondo de Mozart. The editors of this particular edition have given no other

[LUTE] Re: Mozart identification help

2010-03-19 Thread chriswilke
Thanks to all with your help in identifying the piece. If you at home guessed Rondo in D, K. 485, you win! The thing that threw me off in finding this piece was that Mozart used a different rhythmic notation in the first measure from Carulli - I must have flipped right past it in haste. He

[LUTE] Re: should i learn thumb-under technique?

2010-03-18 Thread chriswilke
Mark, Yes, but they don't make a habit of it in the same way. You'd never go from string 1 with p to the 6th string with i in CG. Nothing wrong with that, its just a different technique. I currently have a new lute student (an accomplished classical guitarist) who has no lute at the

[LUTE] Re: should i learn thumb-under technique?

2010-03-18 Thread chriswilke
Mark, With thumb-under, such a string crossing may very well be done p-i. Its very much like playing with a plectrum in which a downstroke on the 1st string may need to be followed by an upstroke on the 6th. The TU lute player actually has an advantage over the pick player in that while

[LUTE] Re: Modern lute recordings

2010-03-17 Thread chriswilke
(Back to commercial recordings, not folks' 'tube submissions) In my view, if you notice the reverb, its too much. I'm also a big advocate of close miking. This is another thing that is especially appropriate for a soft instrument like the lute, but is rarely done. Its funny, I've done a fair

[LUTE] Re: Modern lute recordings

2010-03-17 Thread chriswilke
Joe, A few reasons: A) Because you'll rarely listen to a recording with your ear stuck up against the speakers. The very nature of speakers adds an additional acoustical environment. (Headphones are the exception.) B) Because even the best microphone does not listen like a

[LUTE] Re: Modern lute recordings

2010-03-17 Thread chriswilke
Personally, aside from all talk of recordings, I'd much rather have a professional give me a private performance in my living room than the shared concert experience. If I could sit three feet away from Robert Barto, Nigel, Ronn, Hoppy, POD, etc, and listen to them play, I'd be in heaven

[LUTE] Re: Modern lute recordings

2010-03-17 Thread chriswilke
Joe, --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Mayes, Joseph ma...@rowan.edu wrote: Not to be argumentative, but... And why not? Its a discussion after all. A) you will also rarely listen to any performer with your ear pressed up against the strings. The very nature of recording subtracts ambience, what they

[LUTE] Re: should i learn thumb-under technique?

2010-03-17 Thread chriswilke
Morgan, --- On Wed, 3/17/10, morgan cornwall mcornw...@ns.sympatico.ca wrote: Question to all.  If thumb-under assists in playing the double courses simultaneously and without double striking, how did the baroque lutenists (or Dowland for that matter) avoid this problem when they switched

[LUTE] Re: Modern lute recordings

2010-03-15 Thread chriswilke
Ned, You're not alone at all. I'm in complete agreement with you. It seems to me that the ideal place to record a lute of all instruments, is a controlled environment like a recording studio where a touch of reverb can be added if wanted. The long decay of a cavernous cathedral might

[LUTE] Re: Caccini's theorbo

2010-03-05 Thread chriswilke
David, My guess is that is not what we would call a theorbo at all, but rather a bass lute probably tuned theorbo-like. All the strings would therefore be on one neck and those chromatic basses could be fingered. Whether the tuning was in A, G or something else and whether one or both of

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo arpeggiation

2010-02-28 Thread chriswilke
Martin, Very interesting! I had no idea that Torelli advocated the rest stroke technique, but I've been experimenting with it myself the past couple of months. My main reason for doing so is to try to get the arpeggio so fast as to seem like a strum. Clearly this is what Kapsperger

[LUTE] Re: Bach for two

2010-02-24 Thread chriswilke
David, You are a gentleman and a scholar - hearty thanks to you. (Entering general discussion mode, with no direct references to your Bach arrangements.) Your point is well taken about the clef changes being quite historical. The primary reason so many clefs existed back in the day was

[LUTE] Re: New frets

2010-02-19 Thread chriswilke
Martyn, --- On Fri, 2/19/10, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The continuing, if strange, fascination single loops seems to    defy historical evidence and practical experience. Time to wake up that sleeping dog! Once again I'll jump into hot water and point out that the

[LUTE] Re: Robert Spencer Collection

2010-02-12 Thread chriswilke
Fortunately for the soul, playing early music and being sexually active are often entirely mutually exclusive pursuits. ;-) Chris --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re: Robert Spencer Collection To:

[LUTE] Re: Robert Spencer Collection

2010-02-12 Thread chriswilke
Franz, --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Franz Mechsner franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk wrote: From: Franz Mechsner franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re: Robert Spencer Collection To: chriswilke chriswi...@yahoo.com, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu

[LUTE] Re: Robert Spencer Collection

2010-02-11 Thread chriswilke
Its another vanitas picture. The character in the back row next to the lovers - the one smiling while pointing to them and looking out at us - is obviously gaunt and skeletal. This person probably represents death or disease creeping into the midst of the group that is having such a good time

[LUTE] Re: Flying with a lute

2010-02-08 Thread chriswilke
Nancy, Yes, by no means bring up the matter to anyone if they don't ask you first! Even with my swan neck or theorbo, I carry it up vertically against my body to make it look as small and inconspicuous as possible whenever I'm in sight of gate personnel. (NOW who's laughing at the guy

[LUTE] Re: Flying with a lute

2010-02-07 Thread chriswilke
Ned, I don't know the state of things at the moment, but I'll tell you my experiences. Tell the folks at the counter that you want to check it at the gate (NEVER, EVER, have them put it on the conveyor belt at check in!!!). When you get to the gate, tell 'em you want to ask the flight

[LUTE] Re: Apology to the Lute List

2010-02-02 Thread chriswilke
Dan, No need to apologize. I tried to be as objective as I could. In using your text as a handy example, I did not mean to make an example out of you nor cause offense. In retrospect I can see how you might have gotten upset about my comments. I figured this was a friendly open debate

[LUTE] Re: Tr :Re: Objet : Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?

2010-01-31 Thread chriswilke
Anthony, --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote:         I have not read such blanket performance proclamations in this    thread. Sure you have. Many of them are almost at the subliminal level. I wish to bring them to the surface. One example: In the very email in

[LUTE] Re: Objet : Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?

2010-01-30 Thread chriswilke
Dan, --- On Fri, 1/29/10, Daniel Winheld dwinh...@comcast.net wrote: Well, Chris, I still advise reading Mimmo Peruffo's web page, The Lute in it's Historical Reality, at least for the information assembled by a truly dedicated lifetime player, researcher, string maker. I've read

[LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?

2010-01-28 Thread chriswilke
Gut strings must have been fantastic. Isn't it a pity none survived so that no one will never know how they actually sounded? Lucky we have these nice synthetics... Chris --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [LUTE]

[LUTE] Re: Arpegios

2010-01-27 Thread chriswilke
Bruno, For the first chord of a piece and other slow chords, I think it would be best to follow Frescobaldi's advice. Piccinini is careful to recommend the single blow technique in Chapter XXIX only in Correnti and in other places where fast movement is needed (nelle Correnti in altri

[LUTE] Re: Arpegios

2010-01-26 Thread chriswilke
Bruno, It doesn't refer to chords. He uses arpeggiare specifically to indicate a melodic ornament (tirate o passagi) played by alternating i and m over another part played by the thumb. Piccinini uses the word pizzicata to indicate broken chords. He goes into some detail explaining how

[LUTE] Re: Thumb rest stroke - 'lute stop' evidence

2010-01-22 Thread chriswilke
Howard, --- On Thu, 1/21/10, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: But I agree with Andrew (if indeed he meant to make this point) that it's a mistake to extrapolate lute tone from the names of harpsichord stops, as the opposite conclusions you could draw from the English lute stop

[LUTE] Re: Thumb rest stroke - 'lute stop' evidence

2010-01-21 Thread chriswilke
Andrew, This quote from John Gunn's The Art of Playing the German Flute (London, 1793) is very intriguing: The performers of the _old school_ had much more of what may be called _graces of the finger_, than the modern, which cultivates more the expression and powers of the bow, and

[LUTE] Re: Thumb rest stroke - 'lute stop' evidence

2010-01-20 Thread chriswilke
Martyn, --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:    Also note the 'lute stop' or 'theorbo stop' on the harpsichord which    was a row of jacks plucking closer to the bridge than the main and    gives a more brittle and brilliant sound. Yes. Also

[LUTE] Re: Thumb rest stroke

2010-01-19 Thread chriswilke
I've seen Paul O'Dette use repeated rest strokes in the bass, sometimes for fairly fast lines that I would take with p-i alternating (free) strokes. On the other hand, I've seen Robert Barto occasionally use rest strokes in the treble. There are an awful lot of paintings (especially, but

[LUTE] Re: Thumb rest stroke

2010-01-19 Thread chriswilke
Ron, Good points. I'm working on exactly this point. The main issue with true thumb-out is getting a decent and - far more importantly - _consistent_ sound out of the treble strings. There clearly was a marked aural difference between the too positions that the baroquenists admired.

[LUTE] Re: Thumb rest stroke

2010-01-19 Thread chriswilke
Danny --- On Tue, 1/19/10, Daniel Shoskes kidneykut...@gmail.com wrote:    Not sure about your nearly all our notable baroque luteniststs play    thumb under comment Ron. Barto started thumb in but now plays thumb    out, as do Richard Stone and Nigel North. I have seen Liddell and    

[LUTE] Re: constructive critical commentary

2010-01-15 Thread chriswilke
Ed, Right after I came out with my Hurel album, I received a private email from someone who regularly contributes to this list. This was one of the first comments I got about the project. In the rudest, most brusk manner, this person told me A) What an awful job I had done with the

[LUTE] Italian translations (ASAP)

2010-01-13 Thread chriswilke
Hi all, I'm in urgent need of some translations. Would anyone have and be able to send me translations for any of the following (in whole or part)? A) Kapsperger's own prefaces to the first and fourth theorbo books B) Pittoni's short prefaces to his Op. 1 and 2 sonatas C) Picinnini's

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Translations from Italian

2010-01-13 Thread chriswilke
Hi all, I'm in urgent need of some translations. Would anyone have and be able to send me translations for any of the following (in whole or part)? A) Kapsperger's own prefaces to the first and fourth theorbo books B) Pittoni's short prefaces to his Op. 1 and 2 sonatas C) Picinnini's

[LUTE] Re: constructive critical commentary

2010-01-12 Thread chriswilke
Franz, I like your style. On this list we tend to spend all day repeatedly talking until we're blue in the face about trivial matters such as gut vs. nylgut, whether one is allowed to perform 8 course lute music on a 10 course, which temperament is HIPest, etc, etc. Good. These are things

[LUTE] Re: constructive critical commentary

2010-01-12 Thread chriswilke
David, The word schrecklich is rarely helpful in constructive criticism. It may only be used correctly in brutally honest criticism, but not in your case! Nice job. Chris --- On Tue, 1/12/10, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com

[LUTE] Re: constructive critical commentary

2010-01-11 Thread chriswilke
Valery, My take on YouTube is that you take your chances when you post a video. Its an open forum and anyone can make suggestions whether they are constructive or not. (Yes, there are some jerks on there. Hopefully the folks on this list will be more respectful and helpful.) For

[LUTE] Re: Conradi Sonata

2010-01-10 Thread chriswilke
Hi Franz, I always try to include some positive constructive criticism when I comment on people's things. This is tough to do, though. Things must be worded very carefully in print or the most well-meaning advice can sound just mean. Of course, there's always a good glob of personal

[LUTE] Re: Transcription

2010-01-07 Thread chriswilke
Dana, --- On Thu, 1/7/10, dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: From: dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us Subject: [LUTE] Re: Transcription To: Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp Cc: Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com, LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu

[LUTE] Re: Transcription

2010-01-06 Thread chriswilke
Bruno, My opinion regarding theorbo notation is for one staff in bass clef. With only ten frets on the neck, you'll never have to go higher then three lines for the rare passages that go up that high; with nothing below the tenth course in this particular book, you'll only have one ledger

[LUTE] Re: Transcription

2010-01-06 Thread chriswilke
Bruno, Oops, sorry! I obviously mis-read your message and thought you meant the first theorbo book (this book uses 11 courses, anyway!). You clearly said lute book. The two staves for lute music always seems a bit superfluous for me. (Why do they do this? Is every single musicologist a

[LUTE] Re: Transcription

2010-01-06 Thread chriswilke
Ron, --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com wrote:    The conventional two-stave keyboard transcription is probably the most    useful and appropriate format for academic purposes. Sorry, but I disagree. Transcribing Kapsperger's music on two staves makes as much sense as

[LUTE] Re: Weiss Baroque Lute Comparison

2009-12-31 Thread chriswilke
Rob, et al, --- On Thu, 12/31/09, Rob MacKillop luteplay...@googlemail.com wrote:    Definitely the gut 11c. The 13c sound is very typical for today, but I    think in a decade or so it will be viewed in the same way we view the    1970s recordings with big booming basses, but this time

[LUTE] Holiday Theorbo Time!

2009-12-24 Thread chriswilke
Hi all, Its that time again - time for eggnog, fruitcake, extended time with extended family, desperate last minute trips to the mall... and of course, theorbo music! Here are two clips of (just in time) seasonal theorbo offerings: My arrangement of It Came Upon a Midnight Clear con variazione

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte

2009-12-23 Thread chriswilke
It's a guitar, as confirmed by Peter Autschbach's jazz recording. If you tried to do what he did on a real lute, the results would be entirely different. (I liked it, though.) On the other hand, I was disappointed that Contini's arciliuto forte recording didn't seem to be particularly louder

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte and guitars

2009-12-21 Thread chriswilke
OK, it has finally come to this ;-) First, check out this modern abomination of many guitars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ARQsw4ml8g (Note that one puny bongo drum, played lightly by an inexpert player, can easily cover up the sound of 50+ classical guitars.) Then there's this example of

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte

2009-12-21 Thread chriswilke
So... what's the magic tuning? --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte To: Eugene C. Braig IV brai...@osu.edu, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 10:29 AM Well, the problem

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte

2009-12-20 Thread chriswilke
Mark, --- On Sun, 12/20/09, terli...@aol.com terli...@aol.com wrote: From: terli...@aol.com terli...@aol.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 9:30 AM I write at the risk of being gummed to death by a horde of irate lutenists:

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte

2009-12-19 Thread chriswilke
Valery, --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Sauvage Valéry sauvag...@orange.fr wrote: Ok forte, we can hear it, but sounds like a guitar (single strung for the one he used). So why not play the guitar ? modern and loud instrument you can play with nails... Really? I've found the modern classical guitar

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-13 Thread chriswilke
Monsieur Mathias, Nothing to it. I don't know exactly how accurate my tuner is and I frankly don't care as long as it's in the ballpark. I never just go by the tuner; there's always some degree of adjustment by ear so technically I'm never strictly playing in any temperament. This is

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-13 Thread chriswilke
Mathias, No need to get testy. Ich äffe Sie nicht. I use my tuner to get my open strings and frets about right in Kirnberger III, then I adjust slightly according to what sounds good to my ear. What on earth would be funny about that? Herr Wilke --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Mathias Rösel

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-11 Thread chriswilke
I've found that Kirnberger III works pretty well. I used it for a while although I'm back to ET nowadays. Chris --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com wrote: From: Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy? To: Mathias

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance Metaphors

2009-12-09 Thread chriswilke
Donatella, It was called Acedia and was one of the seven deadly sins. Its usually translated as Sloth in English, but denotes a spiritual as well as physical listlessness. Chris --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Donatella Galletti do...@tiscali.it wrote: From: Donatella Galletti do...@tiscali.it

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance Metaphors

2009-12-08 Thread chriswilke
Ed, --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp wrote: No one is mentioned as having    caused the distress. Kind of like some blues in a way. Yes, blues is a great analog. I suppose much of it is melancholy of the hurts so good variety. Acting suitably bummed has been de

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance Metaphors

2009-12-04 Thread chriswilke
Gary, That's exactly what I said: Knowing this does not invalidate the repertoire. Just because the context occasionally isn't particularly serious doesn't mean the work itself isn't serious. Chris --- On Fri, 12/4/09, gary digman magg...@sonic.net wrote: From: gary digman

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance Metaphors

2009-12-03 Thread chriswilke
--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Peter Martin peter.l...@gmail.com wrote: From: Peter Martin peter.l...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance Metaphors To: Lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 9:54 AM    Reminds me of Starless and Bible Black.  King Crimson, via Dylan  

[LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise

2009-11-30 Thread chriswilke
Hi all, Just out of curiosity, what is the objection to the term brise? Although somewhat inelegant, it seems a fairly good and useful description of the the style. Luthe, while used in its own day, isn't very helpful to those of us today who want to know more about what the lute players

[LUTE] Re: Arabian past

2009-11-22 Thread chriswilke
Howard, --- On Sat, 11/21/09, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: Various lutes were played for millenia in the Mediterranean basin So Chris Wilkes still has a long way to go. ? I haven't been a part of this particular discussion. What exactly are you implying? (Or is

[LUTE] Re: Arabian past

2009-11-22 Thread chriswilke
--- On Sun, 11/22/09, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: That you have a long way to go before you can play a lute for millenia: Sorry Howard, that was from a different thread. Still, a long way to go... Chris To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: New ways

2009-11-21 Thread chriswilke
Andrew, I think the lute holding device is a valid option. I've thought of making or adapting a similar contraption myself. There needs to be something out there to help make things a bit more ergonomic and save the back after hours of practicing. For me, all manner of holds, straps,

[LUTE] Re: New ways OT

2009-11-20 Thread chriswilke
--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Eugene C. Braig IV brai...@osu.edu wrote: I'm so old-fashioned, I even have a CD copy of this that requires physical storage space on a shelf. What's a CD? Before my time I guess. Chris To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: lute tasting, was Greenwich festival

2009-11-15 Thread chriswilke
The thing that strikes me most at these lute tasting events is not how different the instruments sound, but how similar. All of the lutes played by Paul sound like Paul O'Dette playing a lute; all of the lutes played by Robert Barto sound like Barto; Nigel: Nigel; Ronn: Ronn, etc. This is the

[LUTE] Re: Greenwich festival

2009-11-14 Thread chriswilke
Jaroslaw, It was the same at the Boston Early Music Festival Exposition. The Lute Society of America had a stand with info and some recordings. There were lots of other instruments to see and try: viols, recorders, harpsichords, etc. Lute-wise, all I could find was a single very, very

[LUTE] Re: Gabbiani

2009-11-07 Thread chriswilke
Bernd, I don't know anything about the pic. From his looks, I might guess Dracula ;-). The classical guitar right hand is typical of very many pictures of baroque-era players. Chris --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de wrote: From: Bernd Haegemann

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: B-lute 6th course, with octave or no?

2009-10-26 Thread chriswilke
Dale, --- On Mon, 10/26/09, Dale Young dyoung5...@wowway.com wrote: There is the litho of the greatest lutenist/composer ever, Adam Falckenhagen with his lute. I was ready to have a beer with you until this. Its has been scientifically proven that Hagen is the greatest lute composer of all

[LUTE] Re: Brazilian duet a la Dowland

2009-10-22 Thread chriswilke
Great. This piece even outdoes Dowland: at one point the players switch their right hands so that each is plucking what the other is fingering with the left hand. Amazing coordination. I can't think of any colleagues I know with whom I'd feel comfortable spending the hours needed to practice

[LUTE] Re: A Tale of Three Vespers

2009-10-21 Thread chriswilke
David, Thanks for this. Very interesting. You've certainly borrowed a lot from that last guy. But keep practicing: you'll eventually get the hang of playing properly left-handed ;-). I'm curious about the cello, though. My understanding of the present consensus of scholarly

[LUTE] Re: The End of the Golden Age

2009-10-12 Thread chriswilke
Hi Ned, You should definitely listen to some new recordings. One of the things I find exciting about early music is that new information is constantly coming to light that makes us re-think the way we approach the music. Entire genres that were once dismissed as mere trifles can become

[LUTE] Re: The End of the Golden Age

2009-10-12 Thread chriswilke
Guy, There's a storm in somewhere in Hoppy's Vieux Gaultier CD taht they didn't bother to take out. One of my all time favorite lute CDs. Chris --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Guy Smith guy_m_sm...@comcast.net wrote: From: Guy Smith guy_m_sm...@comcast.net Subject: [LUTE] Re: The End of the

[LUTE] Re: The End of the Golden Age

2009-10-12 Thread chriswilke
Stuart, --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: But Crawford Young's ideas on plectra - on the face of it - seem to fundamentally different from just about all other plectra.. on  any instrument. It's a bit like saying of someone who plays the lute with gloves on:

[LUTE] Re: The End of the Golden Age

2009-10-11 Thread chriswilke
David, et al, Has anyone caught the irony of the fact that in our current musical culture, the (very commercial) rock music crowd is inherently mistrustful of recordings that sound too slick while we (very, very non-commercial) classical and early music types obsess over making our

[LUTE] Re: The End of the Golden Age

2009-10-11 Thread chriswilke
Ned, --- On Sun, 10/11/09, nedma...@aol.com nedma...@aol.com wrote: From: nedma...@aol.com nedma...@aol.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: The End of the Golden Age To: chriswi...@yahoo.com, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, vidan...@sbcglobal.net Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 10:50 AM    The rockers. . .view

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-05 Thread chriswilke
David, That's the biggest problem of all with this sort of stuff - dead seriousness. I forced myself to listen to all of this and found that there were actually a few interesting moments buried in there between vast canyons of superfluousness. Unfortunately the composer obviously took

[LUTE] Re: ET FunFest

2009-09-29 Thread chriswilke
--- On Tue, 9/29/09, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote:     Two other interesting things:  it appears that most people internalize     their native musical scale at around 9 months, the same time you     internalize the phoneme set of your native language.  And most people    

[LUTE] Re: Newbie needs to know - where buy a lute and what type?

2009-09-29 Thread chriswilke
Hey Luther, hang in there! I remember feeling the way you do when I first came to the lute after years of guitar playing. I was used to popping in a store and checking out their merchandise or getting a pack of strings off the rack. It took me a while to realize the the culture of the two

[LUTE] Re: ET FunFest

2009-09-26 Thread chriswilke
Regarding temperament, I've always what people with absolute pitch think of our various efforts. How would someone with perfect pitch perceive an Ab in F minor in 3rd, 4th, 6th, 11th, or 32.9567 comma meantone? Would this person hear a kind of real Ab, an out of tune Ab or some other species

[LUTE] Re: lute music, ET, etc

2009-09-26 Thread chriswilke
Ray, --- On Sat, 9/26/09, William Brohinsky tiorbin...@gmail.com wrote: On instruments, like and especially the lute, where the performer's fingers are on the strings and corrections can be made on-the-fly, nothing that fits the definition of temperament is really necessary. Instead,

[LUTE] Re: Jan Gruter's technique

2009-09-16 Thread chriswilke
Hi Ed, I was at the seminar in 2006 when Toyohiko talked about this technique. I believe he is on the right track, but still not quite all the way there. (I'm speaking in terms of re-creating as closely as possible the predominant historical technique, not the quality of hi work.) As

[LUTE] Re: Jan Gruter's technique

2009-09-15 Thread chriswilke
Ned, I've never seen any modern player do real thumb-out technique. Most people, even the big guys, do as Jan does in the video: a sort of half thumb that is neither in or out, but is more closely related to thumb-under in terms of technique and tone. This, in spite of the fact that

[LUTE] Re: Imbalance

2009-09-11 Thread chriswilke
David, This reminds me of the Guitar Foundation of America convention I attended in 2007. I went to a lecture with Greg Goodheart about the GFA's initiative to get classical guitar programs in elementary and high schools. One of the big obstacles mentioned was the fact that most of the

[LUTE] Re: Imbalance

2009-09-10 Thread chriswilke
Suzanne, --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Suzanne and Wayne angevin...@att.net wrote: Once you've been lurking on this list for awhile, you learn that it has a male geek bias. I can't believe this! I'm utterly shocked to be hearing this information for the first time! Well, OK, let's put this to the

[LUTE] Re: Edward Martin/who knows?

2009-08-26 Thread chriswilke
Omer, I'm not exactly sure what to make of this. On the one hand, I believe in an open discussion of ideas on this list. On the other hand, there are things that perhaps would be better handled in private. A lot of the issues you mentioned below deal with your personal preferences.

[LUTE] Re: cat will after kind

2009-08-21 Thread chriswilke
In our constant efforts to make the past seem less alien than it really is, we moderns take gleeful delight in finding sexual references in all possible places. (Note: all possible places is not meant to be taken sexually. Taken sexually is also not meant to be taken sexually.) But isn't it

[LUTE] Re: Campion

2009-08-14 Thread chriswilke
Jean-Michel, You are right about Fleury. Grenerin and Bartolomi also seem to take no regard for the re-entrant tuning of the theorbo, instead treating the top two courses like a lute. These tutors all came out in France at a time when the instrument was fairly new there. They all take

[LUTE] Re: Traveling with lute

2009-08-11 Thread chriswilke
Dan, Great idea. I think colleges/churches/concert venues should foot the bill like they do with pianos and organs. They should also provide us theorbenists with page turners like they do for keyboardenists. ;-) Chris --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Daniel Winheld dwinh...@comcast.net wrote:

[LUTE] Re: Traveling with lute

2009-08-10 Thread chriswilke
Ned, --- On Mon, 8/10/09, nedma...@aol.com nedma...@aol.com wrote: (That is, as sure as one can be; you're always at the    mercy of the attendants working your flight that day). More like the people working the gate. Usually the folks at the check-in counter don't care and will let

[LUTE] Re: Tab editor

2009-07-27 Thread chriswilke
Bruno, Fronimo does a decent job. It is specific for a lot of lute-related things, but is flexible enough for other uses. I used to use it for music (in modern notation) I arranged for the classical guitar ensemble I coached. Chris --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Bruno Correia

[LUTE] Re: Alto lute help

2009-07-20 Thread chriswilke
Franz, --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Franz Mechsner franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk wrote:    When I played the guitar, I often put a capo on 2nd (rarely 3rd) fret    for renaissance pieces transcribed from lute because I felt they    sounded better like that. I've seen a number of professional

[LUTE] Re: Falkenhagen's Angelique

2009-07-14 Thread chriswilke
David, By counting strings and nut groves on Adam's instrument, I count 8 strings on the fingerboard and 5 on the other pegbox. On the angelique on Roman's page I count 14 strings on the board and 10 off. That's 13 vs. 24 strings. It seems indeed that Falckenhagen's lute has only half

[LUTE] Re: [english 100%] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-11 Thread chriswilke
Roman, And stepwise from the fifth course on down? This would give Mr. Falckenhagen's thumb a bass of A, turning his C major chord into an Am7. A rather improbable and tasteless sonority for anyone wishing to be depicted as a galant gentilhomme. Chris --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Roman

[LUTE] Re: [english 100%] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-11 Thread chriswilke
Roman, In that case he would have fingered the chord with the much more graceful looking 1 and 2 or barre. Chris --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Subject: [LUTE] Re: [english 100%] Re: Erzlaute To:

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