also now copied my
recent email to the Baroque Lute list referencing R1575 to the Lute
List
MH
--- On Fri, 12/8/11, David Smith wrote:
From: David Smith
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo
To: "'R. Mattes'" , "'Mathias Roesel&
may have been a microfilm from BN Paris. I've also now copied my
recent email to the Baroque Lute list referencing R1575 to the Lute
List
MH
--- On Fri, 12/8/11, David Smith wrote:
From: David Smith
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo
To: "'
--- On Thu, 11/8/11, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
From: Martyn Hodgson
Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo
To: "Lute Dmth" , "baroque Lutelist"
, "howard posner"
Date: Thursday, 11 August, 2011, 17:16
Well, dea
now, that's 20-50 years of your dating (and that of the earliest De Visee
guitar
publication).
Yes. So what? Pls ask Gary R. Boye, the author of that page, for his
reasons.
I think Gary Boye has copied a lot of his information from RISM which isn't
very accurate. And he hasn't always c
> So, now that we seem to have traced down what manuscripts you are refering
> to, would you mind to elaborate a bit about
>
> > Paris BN 1575 and BN 25391 are two theorbo mss. that abound with music
> > by de Visee. Some concordances with Saizenay, but both mss.
> > seem to be much earlier than 1
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:19:58 +0200, Mathias Rösel wrote
> > Paris Ms. Fonds Conservatoire National Rés. 1106 has another marking on
> it's
> > front page: R 1575 (41035)
> >
> > David - one down, one to go
>
> Thank you, David! I only have the xeroxes. The other one possibly is
> Paris BN Vm7-62
NN simply is a gorgeous soloist.
Mathias
PS: My theorbo has 82 cm VSL, and it took a while until I got used to it, but
today I wouldn't say any more that 82 cm is large at all.
> -Original-Nachricht-
> > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Lute strings for theorbo > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011
> 1
On 12 August 2011 19:19, Mathias Rösel wrote:
>> Paris Ms. Fonds Conservatoire National Rés. 1106 has another marking on
> it's
>> front page: R 1575 (41035)
>>
>> David - one down, one to go
>
> Thank you, David! I only have the xeroxes. The other one possibly is Paris
> BN Vm7-6265. 86 pages, ma
h-freiburg.de]
> > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:42 AM
> > To: David Smith; 'Mathias Rösel'; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> > Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo
> >
> > On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:57:08 -0700, David Smith wrote
> >> Excuse me for what m
8 AM
To: R. Mattes
Cc: David Smith; "'Mathias Rösel'"; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo
The numbers 1575 and 25391 are the problem:
If you have a look on this link from "Sources manuscrites en tablature", you
will find as theorbo
ent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:42 AM
> To: David Smith; 'Mathias Rösel'; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo
>
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:57:08 -0700, David Smith wrote
>> Excuse me for what may be a stupid question but which manuscri
Message-
From: R. Mattes [mailto:r...@mh-freiburg.de]
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:42 AM
To: David Smith; 'Mathias Rösel'; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:57:08 -0700, David Smith wrote
> Excuse me for what may be a stup
> >> David Smith
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-
> >> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
> >> On Behalf Of Mathias Rösel Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:46 PM
> >> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE]
Thank's for the quote - from wich print is this? (sorry, I'm away from
my disk with faksimiles).
The quote is from Book 1 printed in 1682.
Not that would make Robert's intentions much clearer. Leaving out a
"sol" from the pitch name is possible (since it's redundant except,
every "d la" is
>
> Thank's for the quote - from wich print is this? (sorry, I'm away from
> my disk with faksimiles).
1682 Livre de guittarre
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Did De Visee write that part about the tenth fret?
"J'ay esté obligé de transposer les pieces de musique acause de l'estendüe
de la Guitare qui va jusques an D. la. re. en haut, il ne faut pas oublier
une octave a la quatrième corde, elle y est tres necessaire."
"at the tenth fret" is my clar
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:41:04 +0200, Andreas Schlegel wrote
> > Did De Visee write that part about the tenth fret? That would be
> > strange since that would shurely be a 'd la sol' (note: no re here!).
> > Otherwise high might refer to the guitar's lowest note, d (open
> > forth course), but that
>>
>>
>> "I have been obliged to transpose the pieces of music because the
>> compass of the guitar extends only to high D la re
>> [at the tenth
>> fret].
>
> Did De Visee write that part about the tenth fret? That would be
> strange since that would shurely be a 'd la sol' (note: no re her
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:56:43 +0100, Monica Hall wrote
> > A bit more than that, no? Exact transpositions of the same pieces, I'd
> > say.
> > Perhaps we won't be able to tell which was first (as in Lessing's Ring
> > Parable), but it's pretty clear that one _was_ first and the others are
> > adapta
A bit more than that, no? Exact transpositions of the same pieces, I'd
say.
Perhaps we won't be able to tell which was first (as in Lessing's Ring
Parable), but it's pretty clear that one _was_ first and the others are
adaptations.
I have only been following this discussion in a desultary manner
gt; David Smith
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
>> On Behalf Of Mathias Rösel Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:46 PM
>> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo
&
gt; On Behalf Of Mathias Rösel Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:46 PM
> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo
>
> > I would object to the idea that some
> > version is a "rewrite" of another version. I take all three version
> >
[mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Mathias Rösel
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:46 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo
> I would object to the idea that some
> version is a "rewrite" of another version. I take all three version
&
> I would object to the idea that some
> version is a "rewrite" of another version. I take all three version
> (guitar/theorbo/score) as renderings of the same compositional idea.
A bit more than that, no? Exact transpositions of the same pieces, I'd say.
Perhaps we won't be able to tell which was
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:05:19 +0200, Mathias Rösel wrote
> > > I was speaking of the "Pieces de Theorbe et de Luth, Mises en
> > > Partition Dessus et Basse", 1716 (facsimile Madrid, 1983). The guitar
> > > is not mentioned.
> >
> > I was speaking of the two printed guitar books from 1682 and 1686.
> > I was speaking of the "Pieces de Theorbe et de Luth, Mises en
> > Partition Dessus et Basse", 1716 (facsimile Madrid, 1983). The guitar
> > is not mentioned.
>
> I was speaking of the two printed guitar books from 1682 and 1686. No
theorbo
> mentioned in those.
That being so, it was off-topic
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:28:40 +0200, Mathias Rösel wrote
> I was speaking of the "Pieces de Theorbe et de Luth, Mises en Partition
> Dessus et Basse", 1716 (facsimile Madrid, 1983). The guitar is not
> mentioned.
I was speaking of the two printed guitar books from 1682 and 1686. No
theorbo menti
Chris,
Ralf,
I was speaking of the "Pieces de Theorbe et de Luth, Mises en Partition
Dessus et Basse", 1716 (facsimile Madrid, 1983). The guitar is not
mentioned. One might take this to suggest that de Visée himself viewed the
pieces as theorbo and lute music.
In his 1983 preface, Juan Marcos rem
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 05:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Christopher Wilke wrote
> Mathias,
>
> --- On Thu, 8/11/11, Mathias Rösel
> wrote:
>
> > The theorbo pieces of de Visée's publication en
> > musique stand a 4th
> > higher than the correspondent tablature versions.
> >
>
> Can the transposition of a 4th
Mathias,
--- On Thu, 8/11/11, Mathias Rösel
wrote:
> The theorbo pieces of de Visée's publication en
> musique stand a 4th
> higher than the correspondent tablature versions.
>
Can the transposition of a 4th "en musique" be because
deVisee was using his guitar pieces as his reference
point?
> "Historical practice" was tuning small theorbos in dm, although even this
is not
> very certain (it's mostly based on a few examples, like the pieces by
visee which
> exist in staff notation and theorbo tablature).
That's news to me, indeed. There is a theory that some theorbos were tuned
in D,
, 2011 12:57 AM
To: Martyn Hodgson; lute net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo
On 08/11/2011 09:30 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
Playing close to the bridge is a story in itself. It's not proved that it
was common practice on theorbo. It's logical however, but playing with nails
w
On 08/11/2011 09:30 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
Playing close to the bridge is a story in itself. It's not proved that
it was common practice on theorbo. It's logical however, but playing
with nails was perhaps also used, or both.
What you call "historical practice... only lower the first course.
On 08/10/2011 07:54 PM, David van Ooijen wrote:
Hi, I've the same type of S&S theorbo, but in a 7+7 setup. Indeed it's a
bit of searching for the right (5), 6 and 7th gutstringtype/diameter
with the relative short 76 cm. I'm using only a loaded gut on the G
(7th). This string behaves rather di
I have a great deal of experience with gut, but not theorbo. David
is very passionate about gut, as am I. I would trust his string
prescription, as he has had a great deal of experience with theorbos
with gut. I am sure he has "fine tuned" his stringing (pun intended).
ed
At 12:54 PM 8/10/2
David
I play a S&S theorbo like yours: 76/140cm, build for me in 1988.
Current set-up is 6+8. First two strings re-entrant, tuned in a.
415/440 as required with the same set of strings. I've had all sorts
of tensions over the years, but this is what it is at the moment:
All-gut, obviously.
76cm
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