Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread Graham Smith
Stephen > There was a version for LaTeX > http://www.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/info/latex4wp/latex4wp.pdf > > This looks useful, thanks. Graham

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread stephen's mailinglist account
On 23 March 2011 08:12, Graham Smith wrote: > One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed > at Word users. > > This has been done for R at > http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume > familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how thi

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread stephen's mailinglist account
On 23 March 2011 06:20, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tuesday 22 March 2011 23:27:45 David L. Johnson wrote: >> On 03/22/2011 10:58 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > >> > 3) Not WYSIWYG.  Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and >> > WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually exclusive. >> >> They are to a

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread stephen's mailinglist account
On 23 March 2011 23:01, Rich Shepard wrote: > However, > many in the Microsoft Word world just don't care. And, frankly, I don't want > them to switch unless they're willing to take the time to learn a different > paradigm and understand what is underneath what they do. with many of these user

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-25 Thread Rainer M Krug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/03/11 19:09, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thursday 24 March 2011 07:01:19 Rainer M Krug wrote: >> On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: >>> On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: > This is a wonderful idea. Now if we can only go the other direction..

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Rob Oakes
Hi Steve, > I'm not quite sure what you guys mean by "semantic import/export", but if you > mean exporting the text marked up with (empty) styles and the (empty) style > definitions so all I have to do with the MSWord file is fill in the styles, > then I'm on it like a squirrel on a tree. Let m

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Julien Rioux
On 24/03/2011 2:09 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Thursday 24 March 2011 07:01:19 Rainer M Krug wrote: On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: This is a wonderful idea. Now if we can only go the other direction... I think we should have "semantic" import/export f

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 24 March 2011 07:01:19 Rainer M Krug wrote: > On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: > > On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: > >> This is a wonderful idea. Now if we can only go the other direction... > > > > I think we should have "semantic" import/export filters in addition to > > "vi

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-24 Thread Ronen Abravanel
Translated my stuff to english: http://technion.ac.il/~ronen/lyxlecture2/en/ probably there are some grammar problems. use freely. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Ronen Abravanel wrote: > >> > department, and I started with very short in

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread stefano franchi
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: >>> On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: >> On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: >>> On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote: >> As for Word/OO<-->LyX interoperability, that seems a c

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Rainer M Krug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/03/11 11:29, Guenter Milde wrote: > On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote: > >>> As for Word/OO<-->LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can >>> LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when even

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-24 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2011-03-23, Steve Litt wrote: > On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote: >> As for Word/OO<-->LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can >> LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when even the LaTeX/LyX roundtrip >> will not get you back the document you started from? It seems to m

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, John Kane wrote: Logic splitting here but I would be coming, well am, from an SGML,OOo/AmiPro, FullWrite Professional background and there still seem to be quite a few WordPerfect people still out there. Agreed that the majority of people are likely to be Word or Latex but

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote: > As for Word/OO<-->LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can > LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when even the LaTeX/LyX roundtrip > will not get you back the document you started from? It seems to me > that a more reasonable goal would

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2011-03-23, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Rob Oakes wrote: >> While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that >> Pavel hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they >> seem to think of it as a specialized academic writing

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread John Kane
--- On Wed, 3/23/11, Liviu Andronic wrote: > From: Liviu Andronic > Subject: Re: LyX Promotion > To: "Graham Smith" > Cc: "LyX Devel" , lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Received: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 4:34 AM > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, > Graham

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-23 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Ronen Abravanel wrote: >> > department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and "in what >> > scene >> > LyX is different from word", and then about 40 minutes of demonstration >> > of >> > what can I do and how can I do that. >> > >> > If there is nothing

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-23 Thread Ronen Abravanel
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Ronen Abravanel > wrote: > > How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my > > > I highly doubt that it would exceed an hour. > > > > department, and I started with very short into

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread stefano franchi
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Steve Litt > wrote: >> >> If I were going to enumerate the good things about >> LyX, it would be something like this: >> >> * It typesets better and more consistently than its non-TeX based >> competitors. >> * It deletes unintentional double spaces and double ne

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-23 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2011-03-22, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes wrote: >> 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize >> LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional >> materials to help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited numbe

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread george legge
Steve, I like your list of good things about LyX; but you have omitted what to me is the most significant: Try using Word to compile a long book with many illustrations, often with 3 graphics to a page. Word has a shocking reputation for using a master document with many child documents, particul

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Graham Smith
Rainer, I completely agree and this would be a very usefull document - but the > issue is not to provide an easy transition from Word to LyX, but to > enable an easy co-operation with Word or OO / LibreOffice users, in > the sense that: > Ah OK, I obviously misunderstood the basis of the thread,

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Graham Smith wrote: > One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed > at Word users. > This makes a lot of sense to me. Most of all we probably need an introduction for those coming from the world of Word (highest priority) and, perhap

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Rainer M Krug
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Graham Smith wrote: > One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed > at Word users. > > This has been done for R at > http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume > familiarity with Excel and demonstrat

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Graham Smith
One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed at Word users. This has been done for R at http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how things differ (or are the same) in R. There have also been

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-23 Thread Rainer M Krug
> 1) Compile Errors. Normal users aren't used to dealing with compile > errors and shouldn't be expected to fix them. Even I don't like > dealing with compile errors all that much. > 1a) Perhaps we could do some sort of bisect to determine where the > error is (either over the file itself or some f

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 22 March 2011 23:27:45 David L. Johnson wrote: > On 03/22/2011 10:58 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > > 3) Not WYSIWYG. Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and > > WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually exclusive. > > They are to an extent, since WYSIWYG really means that all the

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread David L. Johnson
On 03/22/2011 10:58 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: 1) Compile Errors. Normal users aren't used to dealing with compile errors and shouldn't be expected to fix them. Even I don't like dealing with compile errors all that much. With LyX you should not get compile errors unless you are doing som

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread John McCabe-Dansted
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Rob Oakes wrote: > While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel > hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think > of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which > helps prof

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-22 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Ronen Abravanel wrote: > How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my > I highly doubt that it would exceed an hour. > department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and "in what scene > LyX is different from word", and then ab

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-22 Thread Ronen Abravanel
How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and "in what scene LyX is different from word", and then about 40 minutes of demonstration of what can I do and how can I do that. If there is nothing better, I can transl

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-22 Thread Paul Sutton
On 22/03/11 16:38, Liviu Andronic wrote: > Dear all > I think this is a very good idea. > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes wrote: >> 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, >> but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
Op 22-3-2011 17:59, Steve Litt schreef: The next major revision of my courseware will be All-Beamer-All-The-Time (no LyX, just Beamer LaTeX). It's 1000 times easier to maintain and personalize than OOImpress viewed on MS Powerpoint. You would have loved the new "LyX Presentation Mode": http:/

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread Paul Sutton
> The next major revision of my courseware will be All-Beamer-All-The-Time (no > LyX, just Beamer LaTeX). It's 1000 times easier to maintain and personalize > than OOImpress viewed on MS Powerpoint. > > Nowadays, all my letters are LyX letter template. Yeah, it's a PITA, and I > think it's a s

Re: LyX Promotion - use outside academia

2011-03-22 Thread Paul Sutton
On 22/03/11 15:51, Rob Oakes wrote: > Dear Users and Developers, > > Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why the > GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in that > review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held la

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 22 March 2011 11:58:22 Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Rob Oakes wrote: > > When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it as a > > specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which helps > > professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be eve

tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

2011-03-22 Thread Liviu Andronic
Dear all I think this is a very good idea. On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes wrote: > 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX, > but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help. > Would it be worthwhile to create a limited n

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Manolo Martínez wrote: > There is something that might help: wouldn't it be possible to add a > "made with LyX" tag alongside TeX and pdfTeX in the properties of the > resulting pdf? > Yes, I always thought that LyX should tag PDFs by 'Created with LyX'. Is it diff

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread Manolo Martínez
There is something that might help: wouldn't it be possible to add a "made with LyX" tag alongside TeX and pdfTeX in the properties of the resulting pdf? It'd be an easy way to communicate that a nice document -that gets you looking into its properties- was made with LyX. M

Re: LyX Promotion

2011-03-22 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Rob Oakes wrote: When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program which helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even more narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physic