Fell asleep early last night so I guess I'll have to do the short form:
Using the +12VDC system, it's a fairly simple thing to do.
Two fuel sources, one primary, one secondary or backup.
Low pressure switch on primary source. +12VDC on relay coil, with the ground
path going through the
Randy Bennell wrote:
It even has a block heater so that the engine has a chance to start in
the cold weather.
Since you don't know when you'll want to start it, the block heater runs all
winter?
A modest 200w block heater would use about 5kWh a day.
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On 12/10/2011 5:44 PM, Fmiser wrote:
Dan Penoff wrote:
Actually, you can do what is known as automatic changeover
with a simple relay, a pressure switch and another solenoid
valve.
Hmm. An electric relay and an electric solenoid... How does
that work when the electricity is missing? A UPS
The world of a backup generator is not a perfect world. Thus backup is
the operative word and survival is it's friend. Those of you who are
expecting to run 24/7 will be unpleasantly awakened to empty fuel tanks
[what ever fuel of choice is] in a real disaster where power is off for
days and
On 13/10/2011 10:40 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
Randy Bennell wrote:
It even has a block heater so that the engine has a chance to start
in the cold weather.
Since you don't know when you'll want to start it, the block heater
runs all winter?
A modest 200w block heater would use about 5kWh a
Block heaters are thermostatically controlled, and are typically set to
maintain a water jacket temperature of approximately 110F-125F at ambient.
As one might expect, the lower the ambient temps the longer the duty cycle.
A lot depends on the enclosure as well.
Block heaters on standby
On 13/10/2011 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Block heaters are thermostatically controlled, and are typically set to
maintain a water jacket temperature of approximately 110F-125F at ambient.
As one might expect, the lower the ambient temps the longer the duty cycle.
A lot depends on the
You have one of the old magnetic oil pan heaters. These are intended to be
placed on the oil pan and be left on at all times.
They are very low wattage, like 80 watts or thereabouts.
The intent is to keep the oil viscous at low temperatures.
Dan
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On Oct 13, 2011, at 3:14
On 13/10/2011 2:36 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
You have one of the old magnetic oil pan heaters. These are intended to be
placed on the oil pan and be left on at all times.
They are very low wattage, like 80 watts or thereabouts.
The intent is to keep the oil viscous at low temperatures.
Dan
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Mitch Haley wrote:
Randy Bennell wrote:
It even has a block heater so that the engine has a chance
to start in the cold weather.
Since you don't know when you'll want to start it, the block
heater runs all winter? A modest 200w block heater would use
about 5kWh a day.
If it's running
On Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:54 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:
If it's running all the time, it can be smaller 'cause it has
days and days to build up heat.
Or maybe put it on a thermostat. Keep the block above 0 deg C.
Then it might run only half the time.
Might effective to have
Allan Streib wrote:
Might effective to have something like a torpedo heater available to blow hot air into the generator enclosure for 10 minutes, then fire it up. Not suitable when near-instant starts are needed, but probably OK in many cases.
Run the torpedo/salamander on a
I have two thermostat switch for heaters that I found at an aircraft supply
outfit. One turns on at 35F, the other at 20F. It's called a Thermo Cube.
I intended to use one for the '76 OM617 running 20w-50 oil, then I
discovered the OM603 and Mobil 1, so never had to use them.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011
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Blue and mounted.
Winco from the 80's.
Is that good or bad??
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Blue and mounted.
Winco from the 80's.
Is that good or bad??
Randy
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For a backup unit I would
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On 12/10/2011 3:46 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
For a backup unit I would not convert to a fuel that will be shut off
during a disaster. With a propane tank you at least have until it runs out,
with NG you get nothing when the worst happens and the supply is shut off.
Mike
I'm not really
On 12/10/2011 7:49 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Actually, NG is considered an acceptable fuel source in most municipalities,
with the exception of areas covered by earthquake codes, such as California.
That being said, given the choice I would stuck with LP since it's a dedicated
source and has a
Again, the only reason not to use natural gas would be due to the potential for
interruption.
Since this is unlikely to happen where you live, I wouldn't worry about
(aboot?) it.
Dan, eh
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
On
described I figured it was a Winco
Dan
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Blue and mounted.
Winco from
On 12/10/2011 1:12 PM, G Mann wrote:
Why not do both NG and Propane? Plumb into the NG source and also pipe into
a reserve fuel tank of Propane. If my information is correct, you should
be able to switch fuels without major change to the carb of the genset.
That way you have a back up to your
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For a backup unit I would not convert to a fuel that will be shut off
during a disaster. With a propane tank you
Actually, you can do what is known as automatic changeover with a simple
relay, a pressure switch and another solenoid valve.
It would take me an hour to tap this out on my iPhone, so I will defer it to
after working hours when am at home with a real computer.
Dan
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Eh?
Wilton
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Again, the only reason not to use natural gas would be due to the
potential
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Again, the only reason not to use natural gas would be due to the
potential for interruption.
Since this is unlikely to happen where you live, I wouldn't worry
about (aboot
Yep, and one is no more right nor better than the other.
Wilton
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Sort of a Canadian
: [MBZ] OT standby generator
Again, the only reason not to use natural gas would be due to the potential
for interruption.
Since this is unlikely to happen where you live, I wouldn't worry about
(aboot?) it.
Dan, eh
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Randy Bennell
On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:29 AM, Greg Fiorentino
gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote:
I was thinking the same when I saw the post about conversion to NG. I
recalled the failure of the generators in New Orleans during Katrina.
I agree that you are better off being self-sufficient in
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
Why not a diesel gen?
My thought too. Used ones with plenty of life are all over eBay. I
like the security of knowing that I have more than a snowball's chance
of fixing the gen if it breaks down---mine is a
The definition of standby service uses the phrase for the duration of the
outage.
No time frame is specified.
Dan
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:29 AM, Greg Fiorentino
gf...@dslnorthwest.net
On 12/10/2011 1:58 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net wrote:
Why not a diesel gen?
My thought too. Used ones with plenty of life are all over eBay. I
like the security of knowing that I have more than a snowball's chance
of
On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:05 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
The definition of standby service uses the phrase for the duration of
the outage.
No time frame is specified.
But one is assumed... most people don't put 10,000 gallon fuel tanks
on their standby generators to cover
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I knew this guy in Houston who lived in a small compound next to his
brother and some other like-minded souls (and their women wore homemade
clothes and such), who in anticipation of the Y2k Apocalypse, installed
a large diesel generator with a coupla those big plastic tank/wire frame
totes of
didn't have anywhere to put it at the time.
-Curt
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Probably an old air cooled Lister. Very durable,
And tons of fun to watch running with the valvetrain and everything
else out in the open!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1v=ldab20lhx3E
Alex
Actually, some do.
Hospitals and government buildings are required by code to have a minimum
amount of fuel on site based on full load consumption over a fixed period of
time.
I saw plenty of places in my day that had large fuel supplies, mainly because
the tanks were cheap at the time of
Cold starting will be an issue with LP, but not natural gas. If you have a
relatively small tank (under 200 gallons) at the ambient temps you see in the
winter, it will be tough, if not impossible, to get any vapor out of the tank.
An alternative would be a liquid withdrawal system, but they
As a Hospital I can attest that we are required to be able to run on
generator power only, at 80% load for 72 hours.That - my friends - is alot
of diesel fuel. We have two fo these and we actually have the ability to
run all of the required equipment for 5 days and stuff thats not required on
a
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Probably an old air cooled Lister. Very durable, lots of them
In third world countries.
Dan
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Actually, some do.
Hospitals and government buildings are required by code
On 12/10/2011 3:09 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
In a stable environment you could evacuate the air from a tank couldn't you?
That'd eliminate a large part of your potential problem. With a bladder tank
it'd be pretty easy.
Need a way to allow air when the generator started up though.
-Curt
Just
Allan Streib wrote:
But one is assumed... most people don't put 10,000 gallon fuel tanks
on their standby generators to cover the case of the power being out
for a year.
In my case, it's a 500 gallon (350 in reality) propane tank for the furnace that
the dealer doesn't let drop below 150
Curt Raymond wrote:
Company I worked for was getting rid of a bunch of them, could have had it for
$100. I didn't have anywhere to put it at the time.
For that price, buy three and find somebody who will store them if you let him
keep one.
Mitch.
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Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
On 12/10/2011 3:09 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
In a stable environment you could evacuate the air from a tank couldn't you?
That'd
Dan Penoff wrote:
Actually, you can do what is known as automatic changeover
with a simple relay, a pressure switch and another solenoid
valve.
Hmm. An electric relay and an electric solenoid... How does
that work when the electricity is missing? A UPS for the
generator system?
Or is
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator
Blue and mounted.
Winco from the 80's.
Is that good or bad??
Randy
On 07/10/2011 3:48 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Randy,
What color was the generator set you bought, and was the transfer switch
loose or mounted on the generator skid?
Dan
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The microbial growth is anerobic; lives in water in the yank, eats the fuel.
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Charleston SC
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Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net writes:
The microbial growth is anerobic; lives in water in the yank, eats the
fuel.
Yeah I think the answer is to keep the water out, which is difficult in
a large tank unless it's absolutely full, which it probably can't be
unless it's underground at a constant
There are systems such as you describe that are used to polish the fuel on a
regular basis. It is also done with portable equipment sold as a value-added
annual maintenance item, too.
One of the companies I used to work for sold such a service.
Dan
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They failed due to 3 reasons.
They were all Diesel powered so most ran out of fuel. Tanks went dry.
Tanks were located in as low spot. when water went over the berm tanks
floated away.
And the Big reason was the pumps did not have CFM capacity that was
needed and
Pump generators were flooded.
.
-Curt
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The microbial growth
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Blue and mounted.
Winco from the 80's.
Is that good or bad??
Randy
On 07/10/2011 3:48 PM, Dan Penoff wrote
: [MBZ] OT standby generator
Blue and mounted.
Winco from the 80's.
Is that good or bad??
Randy
On 07/10/2011 3:48 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Randy,
What color was the generator set you bought, and was the transfer switch
loose or mounted on the generator skid?
Dan
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Thoughts on a fair price for this?
http://bloomington.craigslist.org/tls/2637159029.html
Allan
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On 07/10/2011 3:18 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
Thoughts on a fair price for this?
http://bloomington.craigslist.org/tls/2637159029.html
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I think I would want to see it before I made much of a guess on price.
Does it look like that or is it an old
Tough call. A lot depends on the hours it has on it and how well it's been
maintained.
If it's a unit that was in commercial service, maybe $1000-$1500. Residential I
would say less, but not much if there are service records and it's the original
installation.
Looks like it's installed. Might
Randy,
What color was the generator set you bought, and was the transfer switch
loose or mounted on the generator skid?
Dan
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On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
On 07/10/2011 3:18 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
Thoughts on a fair price for this?
Blue and mounted.
Winco from the 80's.
Is that good or bad??
Randy
On 07/10/2011 3:48 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Randy,
What color was the generator set you bought, and was the transfer switch
loose or mounted on the generator skid?
Dan
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On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Randy
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Blue and mounted.
Winco from the 80's.
Is that good or bad??
Randy
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Randy,
What color was the generator set you bought, and was the transfer switch
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