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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Tom Hargrave]

Actually, no - I'm actually not biased towards unions. But a contract is a
contract be it between 2 businesses, 2 individuals or a business and a
union.

And as far as the automotive industry is concerned, the "big three" bild a
lot of cars that people want to by which is why, including last year, the
"big three" sold more cars than all of the imports combined.

I just realized that I belong to a group of closed minded snobs who believe
that the American Auto industry should die. These same people have no
interest in alternate opinions and will not take the time to look at the
impact on our economy or the people who work for them and I officially quit.

And, by the way, this group just lost a technical resource - me.

By

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:31 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

you also get the impression from reading hargrave that a union job is
understood to be just another entitlement program?

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:22 PM, LarryT  wrote:

> Tom wrote <
>> that you would not get a pay raise in 8 years? Probably not!>>
>>
>
>   Don't know about the rest of the list but in my 30+ year working life I
> never took a job
> knowing I'd get a raise *ever*.   I *always* took a job with the
> understanding that I'd get a raise only if I did work that *deserved* a
> raise.   Even so, I probably got raises 9 years out of 10 and some were
> significant (greater than 5%).   I always depended on my quality of work
to
> obtain increases - no one else had control over what I made
>
> LarryT
>
> https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp
>
> Free 1 year NRA membership to anyone interested!
>
> - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" 
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:22 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer
>
>
>  The auto makers were propped up for the benefit of the economy and not
for
>> the unions. And to set the record straight, they did not give half the
>> company to the Union.
>>
>> The supposed Union ownership is actually not the union but the retirement
>> plan. The VERBA (Employee Retirement plan) owns part of the company in
>> place
>> of the company making their commitment to the retirement plan whole and
>> last
>> I checked, the plan was only 68% funded. This is very high risk to all
>> retirees & future retirees because if the company fails, it takes a major
>> portion of the retirement plan with it.
>>
>> Would you be happy if your Employer explained in a staff meeting that you
>> would loose about 40% of the funds in your 401K plan if they did not
>> survive The Union and the Employees are not happy about this but it's
>> another decision that had to be made, it's not any different than the
>> dealership decision.
>>
>> Also, everyone involved gave up their share to make this work. My Wife is
>> a
>> UAW Union worker, one who in your opinion benefited the most from this.
>> Her
>> part of the concessions were:
>>
>> She took a $2.00 / hour pay cut.
>> She lost her COLA (cost of living) adjustment.
>> She will get no pay raise over the next 4 years.
>> We have reduced medical benefits. And as a result, the cost of my
>> appointments & medication just increased by $120 / month.
>>
>> In addition, she did not receive a pay raise over the last 4 years - this
>> works out to 8 years with a $2.00 / hour pay cut that translates into a
>> much
>> larger pay cut with inflation! Would you work for someone, anyone,
knowing
>> that you would not get a pay raise in 8 years? Probably not!
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom Hargrave
>> www.kegkits.com
>> http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
>> 256-656-1924
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
>> ]
>> On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
>> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:38 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer
>>
>> Maybe, but they didn't give half their company to the union, and if they
>> make that decision it is not because some Kar Kzar and the president of
>> the US made them do it -- that would be their business decision to limit
>> (notice, not cut) the number of dealers overnight.
>>
>> What happened her

Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Tom Hargrave]

The auto makers were propped up for the benefit of the economy and not for
the unions. And to set the record straight, they did not give half the
company to the Union.

The supposed Union ownership is actually not the union but the retirement
plan. The VERBA (Employee Retirement plan) owns part of the company in place
of the company making their commitment to the retirement plan whole and last
I checked, the plan was only 68% funded. This is very high risk to all
retirees & future retirees because if the company fails, it takes a major
portion of the retirement plan with it.

Would you be happy if your Employer explained in a staff meeting that you
would loose about 40% of the funds in your 401K plan if they did not
survive The Union and the Employees are not happy about this but it's
another decision that had to be made, it's not any different than the
dealership decision.

Also, everyone involved gave up their share to make this work. My Wife is a
UAW Union worker, one who in your opinion benefited the most from this. Her
part of the concessions were:

She took a $2.00 / hour pay cut.
She lost her COLA (cost of living) adjustment.
She will get no pay raise over the next 4 years.
We have reduced medical benefits. And as a result, the cost of my
appointments & medication just increased by $120 / month.

In addition, she did not receive a pay raise over the last 4 years - this
works out to 8 years with a $2.00 / hour pay cut that translates into a much
larger pay cut with inflation! Would you work for someone, anyone, knowing
that you would not get a pay raise in 8 years? Probably not!


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:38 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

Maybe, but they didn't give half their company to the union, and if they 
make that decision it is not because some Kar Kzar and the president of 
the US made them do it -- that would be their business decision to limit 
(notice, not cut) the number of dealers overnight.

What happened here was a blatant giveaway to the union with the US 
taxpayer supporting the whole process.  In the process many people who 
were operating in good faith, having made substantial investments, were 
wiped out based on a very dubious process.  The bankruptcy process came 
AFTER much of the deal was cooked between the US gummint and the union, 
with the ostensible owners in there in some supporting role.  I might 
think that violated a number of provisions of the law, but will leave 
that up to those aggrieved and their lawyers.

None of that addresses whether or not the outcome is reasonable or 
worthwhile, we'll have to wait and see.  But the administration touting 
"jobs saved" and "jobs created" while killing 40k or 50k jobs associated 
with the thousand some car dealers (GM and Chrysler) forced out of 
business is a bit too much to understand.  And it was the current 
president and his administration who made this happen, fast and dirty.

--R

Tom Hargrave wrote:
> But doesn't Mercedes do the same thing?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
> 256-656-1924
>  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:04 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer
>
> Part of the rationale was that too many dealers was making 
> buying/selling a car too competitive and the customers were getting 
> prices that were "too low."
>
> I will leave the analysis of that reasoning to the reader.
>
> --R
>
> Tom Hargrave wrote:
>   
>> The answer to this letter & many others like it is simple.
>>
>> As part of the bankruptcy, Chrysler had no choice but to trim back to
only
>> strong, profitable dealerships. The alternative to this decision is for
>> 
> all
>   
>> dealerships to shut down, then everyone looses.
>>
>> So, is it fair? No. But Chrysler has no choice and the dealerships have
no
>> choice. Apparently, this dealership did not meet the standards needed to
>> stay open.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom Hargrave
>> www.kegkits.com
>> http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
>> 256-656-1924
>>  
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
>> On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
>> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 6:46 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer
>>
>> M

Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Tom Hargrave]

But doesn't Mercedes do the same thing?

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:04 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

Part of the rationale was that too many dealers was making 
buying/selling a car too competitive and the customers were getting 
prices that were "too low."

I will leave the analysis of that reasoning to the reader.

--R

Tom Hargrave wrote:
> The answer to this letter & many others like it is simple.
>
> As part of the bankruptcy, Chrysler had no choice but to trim back to only
> strong, profitable dealerships. The alternative to this decision is for
all
> dealerships to shut down, then everyone looses.
>
> So, is it fair? No. But Chrysler has no choice and the dealerships have no
> choice. Apparently, this dealership did not meet the standards needed to
> stay open.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
> 256-656-1924
>  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 6:46 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer
>
> May 19, 2009
>
> Letter from a Dodge dealer
> letter to the editor
> My name is George C. Joseph. I am the sole owner of Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu,
a 
> family owned and operated business in Melbourne , Florida . My family
bought
> and 
> paid for this automobile franchise 35 years ago in 1974. I am the second 
> generation to manage this business.
>
> We currently employ 50+ people and before the economic slowdown we
employed
> over 
> 70 local people. We are active in the community and the local chamber of 
> commerce. We deal with several dozen local vendors on a day to day basis
and
>
> many more during a month. All depend on our business for part of their 
> livelihood. We are financially strong with great respect in the market
place
> and 
> community. We have strong local presence and stability.
>
>
>
> I work every day the store is open, nine to ten hours a day. I know most
of
> our 
> customers and all our employees. Sunshine Dodge is my life.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we 
> purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without 
> compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them. My new
vehicle 
> inventory consists of 125 vehicles with a financed balance of 3 million
> dollars. 
> This inventory becomes impossible to sell with no factory incentives
beyond
> June 
> 9, 2009. Without the Dodge franchise we can no longer sell a new Dodge as
> "new," 
> nor will we be able to do any warranty service work. Additionally, my
Dodge 
> parts inventory, (approximately $300,000.) is virtually worthless without
> the 
> ability to perform warranty service. There is no offer from Chrysler to
buy
> back 
> the vehicles or parts inventory.
>
>
>
> Our facility was recently totally renovated at Chrysler's insistence,
> incurring 
> a multi-million dollar debt in the form of a mortgage at Sun Trust Bank.
>
>
>
> HOW IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CAN THIS HAPPEN?
>
>
>
> THIS IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS NOT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY
>
>
>
> This is beyond imagination! My business is being stolen from me through NO
> FAULT 
> OF OUR OWN. We did NOTHING wrong.
>
>
>
> This atrocity will most likely force my family into bankruptcy. This will
> also 
> cause our 50+ employees to be unemployed. How will they provide for their 
> families? This is a total economic disaster.
>
>
>
> HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN IN A FREE MARKET ECONOMY IN THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA
> ?
>
>
>
> I beseech your help, and look forward to your reply. Thank you.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> George C. Joseph
>
> President & Owner
>
> Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu
>
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/05/letter_from_a_dodge_dealer.html
>
> http://www.sunshinedodgeisuzu.com/
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Tom Hargrave]

Mitch,

It's obvious that you have not worked with or for a good size company that's
going through a Chapter 11 Bankruptcy - I have.

You provide your recovery plan to the courts and they dictate what you will
do. There are some negotiations, but to complete the process you most follow
all steps and meet all goals, no exception.

Chrysler had to present a plan that was financially viable, a plan that
showed that they had a chance to emerge from the other end profitable. Part
of this plan was to scale back the dealer network and it had to be done NOW.
And because of the speed of the chapter 11, there was no room for much
notice. So, what would you have them do? Draw straws? Ask a psychic advisor?
They did neither - they figured out how many dealerships the recovery plan
would support and they cut everyone else out. At the end of the day, there
were no other options.

The inventory sell-offs are a small, short blip on the radar screen. Within
2 months, all of the cheap vehicles will be gone and prices will be higher
than they were before the cut because the small, starving dealerships won't
be around to under cut the remaining dealerships.

Chrysler has had an excellent parts distribution system for years and there
is no reason for a smaller dealership to stock $100,000's in parts when they
can get what they need within 24 hours. I'm sure that they will be able to
sell any parts that move to neighboring dealerships. But any amount of
surplus service inventory that does not move is the dealership's problem -
they shouldn't have those parts on the shelf anyway - they should only be
stocking service parts that turn-over regularly.

BTW, the same distribution network (MOPAR) still stocks & ships Mercedes
parts & it's the same network that ships Rusty's non-online parts to you. My
Wife works for MOPAR.

Thanks,
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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 8:28 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

Tom Hargrave wrote:
> The answer to this letter & many others like it is simple.
> 
> As part of the bankruptcy, Chrysler had no choice but to trim back to only
> strong, profitable dealerships. The alternative to this decision is for
all
> dealerships to shut down, then everyone looses.
> 
> So, is it fair? No. But Chrysler has no choice and the dealerships have no
> choice. Apparently, this dealership did not meet the standards needed to
> stay open.
> 

Do you think it was necessary to dump these dealers in the trashbin with no 
support and less than four weeks' notice?

As a side effect, the blowout sales at these dealers (who HAVE to clear all 
inventory by June 9) guarantee that the surviving dealers cannot sell
vehicles 
except at a huge loss by matching the terminated dealers' pricing.

Sometimes I think Tom is a diehard Chrysler cheerleader who would applaud if

Chrysler announced the opening of a biofuels plant to make orphans into
diesel.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

[Tom Hargrave]

The answer to this letter & many others like it is simple.

As part of the bankruptcy, Chrysler had no choice but to trim back to only
strong, profitable dealerships. The alternative to this decision is for all
dealerships to shut down, then everyone looses.

So, is it fair? No. But Chrysler has no choice and the dealerships have no
choice. Apparently, this dealership did not meet the standards needed to
stay open.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 6:46 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

May 19, 2009

Letter from a Dodge dealer
letter to the editor
My name is George C. Joseph. I am the sole owner of Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu, a 
family owned and operated business in Melbourne , Florida . My family bought
and 
paid for this automobile franchise 35 years ago in 1974. I am the second 
generation to manage this business.

We currently employ 50+ people and before the economic slowdown we employed
over 
70 local people. We are active in the community and the local chamber of 
commerce. We deal with several dozen local vendors on a day to day basis and

many more during a month. All depend on our business for part of their 
livelihood. We are financially strong with great respect in the market place
and 
community. We have strong local presence and stability.



I work every day the store is open, nine to ten hours a day. I know most of
our 
customers and all our employees. Sunshine Dodge is my life.



On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we 
purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without 
compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them. My new vehicle 
inventory consists of 125 vehicles with a financed balance of 3 million
dollars. 
This inventory becomes impossible to sell with no factory incentives beyond
June 
9, 2009. Without the Dodge franchise we can no longer sell a new Dodge as
"new," 
nor will we be able to do any warranty service work. Additionally, my Dodge 
parts inventory, (approximately $300,000.) is virtually worthless without
the 
ability to perform warranty service. There is no offer from Chrysler to buy
back 
the vehicles or parts inventory.



Our facility was recently totally renovated at Chrysler's insistence,
incurring 
a multi-million dollar debt in the form of a mortgage at Sun Trust Bank.



HOW IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CAN THIS HAPPEN?



THIS IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS NOT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY



This is beyond imagination! My business is being stolen from me through NO
FAULT 
OF OUR OWN. We did NOTHING wrong.



This atrocity will most likely force my family into bankruptcy. This will
also 
cause our 50+ employees to be unemployed. How will they provide for their 
families? This is a total economic disaster.



HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN IN A FREE MARKET ECONOMY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
?



I beseech your help, and look forward to your reply. Thank you.



Sincerely,



George C. Joseph

President & Owner

Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/05/letter_from_a_dodge_dealer.html

http://www.sunshinedodgeisuzu.com/

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Re: [MBZ] NO/LOW OIL PRESSURE UPDATE

[Tom Hargrave]

Dan,

Sometimes the wire will be broken near the connector that attaches to the
sensor. The break will be covered by insulation & the wire will seem intact.

To check for this, bend the wire back & forth bear the connector. If you
find one spot more flexible than the rest, you found it.

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On Behalf Of Peter Frederick
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 1:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] NO/LOW OIL PRESSURE UPDATE

I'd also replace the oil filter -- if the internal seal was dislodged  
during installation, you will have low oil pressure from the full- 
flow portion being diverted to the pan, bypassing the fine filter.

Easy enough to do.

Peter

On May 21, 2009, at 9:35 PM, Dan Weeks wrote:

> Today I removed the dash cluster and removed and cleaned all the  
> grounds and replaced the cluster. Found the OP sensor on the filter  
> housing, cleaned the connection. Started the car, and still have  
> the same gauge behavior: gauge pegs as usual on startup, stays  
> there for a few seconds, then starts to drop, eventually hitting 0.
>
> I can't find a mechanical OP test gauge anywhere in town. Guess I  
> need to order the one from Harbor Freight, or just order the sensor  
> from rusty and try replacing it.
>
> While I had the dash out, I jumpered my dash light rheostat as  
> someone on the list suggested, and now my dash lights work, so  
> that's something...
>
> Thanks again for the advice, all.
>
> Dan
> 82 SD, 314k
>
>
>
>
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[MBZ] More from Chrysler

[Tom Hargrave]

 with our product and viability plans presented to
the U.S. Treasury, which include our receiving continued funding for the
development and deployment of advanced technology vehicles from the DOE
section 136 fund. Together with our alliance partner, we will focus our
resources on how to use Fiat’s fuel-saving technologies and our ENVI
electric-drive program to meet the regulations, support our revitalization,
benefit American consumers and help the country achieve energy security and
environmental sustainability. 
  
As we move quickly through the restructuring process, we have received
interim approval for an additional $860 million in debtor-in-possession
(DIP) financing today from the U.S. government. Of this additional loan
amount, $600 million will support GMAC to provide a seamless transition as
it begins providing floor-plan financing for our dealerships as well as
consumer loans to our customers immediately upon the close of the
transaction. An additional $260 million is to replace funds transferred to
Chrysler Canada, as agreed upon in the pre-petition funding from the
Canadian government. 

Finally, when we emerge from bankruptcy and complete our alliance with Fiat,
it will be under the leadership of a new chairman. As I mentioned to you
before, when the new company emerges, it will be an appropriate time for me
to step aside and return to Cerberus as an advisor. Today, we announced that
C. Robert Kidder, the former chairman of Borden Chemical Inc. and of
Duracell International Inc., will become chairman of Chrysler Group LLC,
which is the name our organization will go by once we emerge from bankruptcy
and complete our strategic global alliance with Fiat SpA. With his broad
expertise serving on numerous world-class boards and his accomplished
business background, Bob Kidder will provide the leadership and strategic
counsel that will help to create a strong global competitor moving forward.
For more information on this announcement and Bob Kidder’s background, visit
scoop.chrysler.com or click thisHYPERLINK
"http://scoop.chrysler.com/2009/05/20/c-robert-kidder-to-become-chairman-of-
chrysler-group-llc/" link. 

I want to end this note by telling you how much I appreciate your hard work
and continued focus during this turbulent time. Thanks to your efforts,
Chrysler will be positioned for long-term success when it emerges from this
restructuring process. 

Bob

 

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Re: [MBZ] HELP! LOW/NO OIL PRESSURE

[Tom Hargrave]

It's screwed into the side of the oil filter housing towards the bottom. The
issue is more likely the connection to the sender than the sender itself.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Dan Weeks
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:38 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] HELP! LOW/NO OIL PRESSURE

Many thanks for all the help. I've now sniffed my oil, and it smells  
like oil, so I'm pretty sure my IP seals are OK. I've also taken a  
good hard look at the OP gauge needle when I switch off the car, and  
it drops slowly, not instantaneously like the Temp gauge, so I THINK  
the issue is electrical. I want to make sure my trying the trick  
below. Can anyone tell me where the gauge sender is on a 617?

Thanks!


Dan Weeks
Freelance Writing & Photography
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>
> I think that you can simply unscrew the sender and screw in the  
> appropriate
> pipe fitting to hook your gauge up to.
>
> Barry
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[MBZ] Info on Chrysler Dealership Closings

[Tom Hargrave]

Dear Employees,

As an important part of our creation of a new company with Fiat, today we
took a major step toward rightsizing our U.S. dealer network and aligning it
with the realities of a smaller overall market. Our goal is to create a
dealer network that is stronger, more profitable and better able to meet and
exceed the high expectations of today’s car and truck buyers.

To begin this difficult process, Chrysler LLC today filed a motion with the
U.S. Bankruptcy Court seeking to reject certain U.S. dealer agreements, and
submitted a list of U.S. dealer agreements to be assigned to the buyer of
its business assets. Subject to court approval, 2,392 Chrysler, Jeep® or
Dodge dealers will continue with the new company in a global alliance with
Fiat once the sale is complete. Also, pending court approval, 789 current
U.S. dealers will see their agreements with Chrysler LLC rejected and will
discontinue selling new Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge vehicles effective June 9.

We appreciate the support of all of our dealers over the years and sincerely
regret the need to take the painful action of discontinuing our relationship
with some of them. As you know, the auto industry is going through an
unprecedented falloff in sales in the United States and international
markets. We have adapted by reducing the number of vehicle models we build,
our production capacity and employees. Now we need to make similar
reductions in the size of our dealer body.

The decisions to accept and reject dealers were based on an objective,
data-driven review process that was rigorous and thoughtful, taking a number
of factors into consideration. We plan to maintain "business as usual" with
all of our dealers through this transition, including honoring warranty and
incentive payments. We are committed to working with all dealers to ensure
an ongoing positive relationship with customers. To ease the burden on
dealers whose agreements have not been assumed, Chrysler will work to assist
in the redistribution of new vehicles and parts currently held in their
inventories.

As I wrote Tuesday, we have signed an agreement with GMAC Financial Services
to provide automotive financing products and services to our dealers and
customers going forward. A stronger dealer network, supported by GMAC’s
long-term finance options for dealerships and customers, is critical to our
viability. A smaller dealer network will help increase sales and profits at
individual dealers, enabling them to better compete with our marketplace
competitors instead of battling each other for market share.

Additional information, including the motions filed, is available at
www.chryslerrestructuring.com.

Thank you all for the support you’ve given our dealers through referrals and
by continuing to be informed and optimistic ambassadors for Chrysler, Jeep®
and Dodge products. Our quality has never been better and our fuel economy
performance is improved on 73 percent of our current models. With our ENVI
electric-drive vehicles, all-new versions of the Jeep Grand Cherokee,
Chrysler 300, Dodge Charger and Dodge Durango, and access to Fiat platforms
and technology soon to come, our customers — and all of us — can look
forward to even more exciting vehicles from a new and vibrant Chrysler in
the near future.

Bob

 

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[MBZ] Latest from Chrysler

[Tom Hargrave]

Dear Employees,

The Chrysler renewal story continues to move forward.  We are pleased with
the decision by the minority secured lenders to withdraw their opposition to
Chrysler’s proposed sale to Fiat.  We believe this is in the best interests
of all of Chrysler’s stakeholders. 

All of our constituents can be confident that our business will continue to
operate while we move through the restructuring process. As in the past, we
have made adjustments to our costs to align with the market, which remains
at extremely low levels.

As Nancy Rae notified all salaried employees earlier today, conditions of
our DIP financing also include a mandatory two-week unpaid leave for our
salaried work force to achieve a cost reduction equivalent to two weeks of
salary. While this two-week leave may need to be implemented, we are
assessing our progress toward the budget savings that were described in our
court filings and hope to achieve sufficient savings to delay any unpaid
leave or to render it unnecessary. As we put increasing demands on many
employees to help launch a new Chrysler, it also may make it difficult to
implement unpaid leave for many employees.

As we go through this transitional period, it’s important that we let
consumers know that we’re building a company that will deliver the kind of
vehicles they’re looking for – cars and trucks with great design, improved
fuel economy, future electric drive options and soon-to-come, world-class
technology from Fiat. So this coming Monday, we will launch a new corporate
advertising campaign on prime-time network television that highlights our
current and future vehicles, and our rebirth as a global automotive company.
The campaign uses the theme line that we introduced in print advertisements
on May 3: “We’re building a new car company. Come see what we’re building
for you.” The advertising tells consumers why they can have trust and
confidence in the future of our company. 

More details on these U.S. and international advertising campaigns are
available at HYPERLINK
"http://scoop.chrysler.com/2009/05/08/new-ads-highlights-company-products/"s
coop.chrysler.com.HYPERLINK
"http://scoop.chrysler.com/2009/05/08/new-ads-highli…mpany-productsnew-ads-h
ighlights-company-products/"

Despite the difficulties of the past several months, we can look forward to
the future with a renewed sense of optimism. If we stick together and stay
steadfast on the course we’ve set, I am confident we will reach our goal of
creating a sustainable, vibrant and globally competitive company. 

Bob

 

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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

[Tom Hargrave]

Nope, you've got it pegged - buy & use the brands you are happy with!

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 1:12 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

the biggest problem with nissens is not the quality of their product, but
that they are difficult to deal with as a company.  they change pricing
often and somewhat capriciously and have very much an "our way or the
highway" attitude.  while nissens has been steadily raising prices, behr has
been keeping their prices in line and even dropping some of them.  as a
consequence, nissens has been losing market share among my customers to behr
and to alternative aftermarket companies such as valeo.

it's a high happiness product though.  i don't think anyone has had any
complaints about them at all until kleb.  then again, i have customers write
to me every day about how they get their parts in one or two business days,
while it somehow takes kleb six weeks to get them.

but again, if you want a behr, then get a behr.  i'm very much a creature of
habit so i tend to gravitate towards the same brands:  behr, bilstein,
stribel, eberspacher, lemforder, sachs, phoenix, beru, graf, akebono, et
al.  i'm very comfortable with the european, north american or japanese made
products of these companies (although some of the stuff from china has been
dissapointing despite claims that they are "identical" to the products
formerly made in germany".  i have no bad feelings about, say, a hepu or a
geuine water pump, but will always use a graf.  i don't dislike bosch plug
wires, but i will always choose a beru or, to save money, karlyns made with
beru or bremi components.  i will always prefer ate slotted rotors for my
front brakes, but i think plane jane zimmerman or balo discs are pretty good
too (in fact, italian made ate or brembo seem to be slightly less
troublesome than the german brands, although i'm avoiding brembo entirely
now as nearly all of their aftermarket rotor production is now chinese).  i
will always choose akebono pads for the front, but can happily recomment
textar/pagid to anyone.  (and i will use chinese crap for the most part on
the rears, but can see why someone else wouldn't).  i will generally prefer
brand new ate brake calipers over rebuilts, but i can see why someone would
want to spend $60 on rebuilts instead of $200 on new ones.

so if you don't like nissens, buy a behr.  i'll generally buy a behr myself,
but still am confident that nissens is a very high quality product.  i only
use mobil1 and brad penn oil, but if you want to use havoline or valvoline,
i'm not going to say you are a bad person using a bad product.

i use a ceramic "steel" to keep the edge on my knives, but you can use a
steel one and get even better results than i do.

is there something here i'm missing about what kleb and luther are trying to
say?

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Tom Hargrave  wrote:

> True, and Gary states that it's not needed.
>
> I've put Nissens in a lot of Mercedes and they are good parts.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Luther
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:29 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr
>
> If you read Kaleb's email, he said the Nissens did NOT have the metal
> reinforced neck that the Behr does.
>
> Luther
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > Nissens not as expensive either.  Also, neck much stronger than on
> > behr so reinorcement not needed
> >
> > On 5/17/09, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> >
> >> Got my Nissens from Rusty, spent today trying to install it in my E300.
> >> Not quite an exact fit, had to do some okie engineering on it.  For
some
> >> reason, it has the tab deal that runs along the length up and down on
> >> the drivers side of the radiator.  The Behr does not have this. It got
> >> in the way of the radiator fitting good so I had to cut it off. It also
> >> does not have the metal reinforced neck like the behr.
>
> --
>  Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
> '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi)
> '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
> '82 300CD (183 kmi)
> '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
> '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] the joy of the german shepherd

[Tom Hargrave]

I watched my Son's two Siberian Huskies while he spent a year in Okinawa.

The male used to lay quietly by the small fish pond I have in the back yard
then he'd jump & catch birds in mid-flight as they took off & down them in
one gulp. I figured his catch rate was about 30% - fun to watch.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:49 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List; Banned List
Subject: [MBZ] the joy of the german shepherd

the german spends most of her day enjoying the great outdoors in my large
fenced area of weds.  i slept between 8pm and 11pm and then got up to check
email.

i let the dogs out and about 20 minutes ago, invited them back in.  the
german proudly had what i guess to be  a 3/4s dead baby possum in her mouth,
ran into the house with it, and jumped into the kid's bed with it,
depositing it there as the kid slept.

ok, never in my life have i heard such blood curdling hysterical screams as
i've just encountered.

kids and dogs are just not always a winning combination

i used to use my backyard all the time, but don't even go back there anymore
as it is just the killing fields out there.  i've never seen a beast with
the sort of prey drive the german has.

you'd think this might make for a good guard dog, but no such luck either.
she simply LOVES all people.  and HATES all other animals.

i'm still not even remotely calm yet.
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) W107/W108 electric window regulators/rails -maintenance?

[Tom Hargrave]

This is just a general statement about window regulators but in most cases a
binding window is caused by something worn out.

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On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:12 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) W107/W108 electric window regulators/rails
-maintenance?

> Are the vertical guide rails the place to dab a little lubricant, or 
> is there something else that's likely to be binding? Is the MB sunroof 
> "slide paste" the appropriate thing to use for this? It seems to work 
> well on sunroofs!

It's a big scissor lift, with some sliding and some rotating points.
(In addition to the window channels.)  I'd pull it out and give it
a good cleaning first.  I have no opinion on the slide paste.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

[Tom Hargrave]

True, and Gary states that it's not needed.

I've put Nissens in a lot of Mercedes and they are good parts.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Luther
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:29 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

If you read Kaleb's email, he said the Nissens did NOT have the metal 
reinforced neck that the Behr does.

Luther

Gary Hurst wrote:
> Nissens not as expensive either.  Also, neck much stronger than on
> behr so reinorcement not needed
>
> On 5/17/09, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>   
>> Got my Nissens from Rusty, spent today trying to install it in my E300.
>> Not quite an exact fit, had to do some okie engineering on it.  For some
>> reason, it has the tab deal that runs along the length up and down on
>> the drivers side of the radiator.  The Behr does not have this. It got
>> in the way of the radiator fitting good so I had to cut it off. It also
>> does not have the metal reinforced neck like the behr.

-- 
 Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
'87 300SDL (281,xxx mi)
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (183 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"


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Re: [MBZ] VW van/bus

[Tom Hargrave]

I did this once with a 67 VW Beetle with an automatic stickshift
transmission. Thos who knew the transmission fondly called it an automatic
suckshift.

The hydraulic brakes were out & I used the hand brake for the 8 mile drive
home. It stopped quite well at traffic lights & such. You couldn't do that
with a Mercedes!!!!

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On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:39 PM
To: mercedes list
Subject: [MBZ] VW van/bus

Departing Charlotte early this afternoon, 'passed a  late 60's/early 70's VW
van/bus that was nearly covered in red rust - parts not covered in rust were
missing - rusted out rocker panels, etc.  'Looked like driver had just
rescued it from a field, or under a tree, in the brush, etc., put some
serviceable wheels and tires on it and was driving it home to restore it.  I
was quite amazed that it was cruising along slowly (maybe 45 or so) in right
lane of I-85 just East of Charlotte and bearing no plate few minutes before
rain started.  BTW, both windshields were severely cracked.

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Re: [MBZ] holy crap, this is got to be the roughest 115 I have seen, and the seller is on crack

[Tom Hargrave]

It's all about price.

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On Behalf Of M. Mitchell Marmel
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] holy crap, this is got to be the roughest 115 I have
seen, and the seller is on crack

At 6:40 PM -0500 5/17/09, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

(snip)

But it'll STILL end up at Okie Acres.  Mark my words.  ;D

-MMM-

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel finback buyer's advice?

[Tom Hargrave]

Actually, the 190D is not bad. The engine is essentially the same one that
came in the later diesels.

The 180D is another story - it has the same engine that came in the 170
diesel. Same size but very, very different & much worse performance.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:22 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] Diesel finback buyer's advice?

Might be looking at a '64 190D (seller calls it a "190Dc", but I never
heard that designation before).  Four on the tree, new clutch master
and slave, supposedly runs and drives great.

I'm sure these rust like crazy, but where in particular?

Anything else to look out for, besides other drivers giving me the
finger as I struggle to maintain speed on the slightest incline?

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] Lots of Chrysler dealers closing

[Tom Hargrave]

Yep, both Chrysler and GM have too many dealers, to the point where they are
undercutting each other..

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On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
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Subject: [MBZ] Lots of Chrysler dealers closing

We got sent the list of dealers closing in June.  None in my market, but 
plenty in other places. 

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[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices

[Tom Hargrave]

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Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:23 PM
To: weekdfpr...@tonto.eia.doe.gov
Subject: Today's Diesel Prices

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   On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD
(Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes)

Diesel Prices Web URL:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp

   Average All Types

US
NATL   EASTNEWCENTLOWER   GULF   ROCKY   WEST
 DATE   AVGCOAST ENGLAND   ATL ATL   MIDWEST  COAST   MTN   COAST
CA

   PADD   PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD   PADDPADD
 I IA  IB  IC  II III IV  V
--  -  - ---  -   -  ---  -  -  -
-

090511  2.216  2.255  2.395   2.386   2.186   2.156   2.198  2.270  2.329
2.337
090504  2.185  2.226  2.382   2.365   2.152   2.124   2.153  2.262  2.306
2.316
090427  2.201  2.241  2.395   2.374   2.171   2.142   2.171  2.270  2.315
2.320
090420  2.221  2.264  2.403   2.392   2.197   2.166   2.186  2.274  2.327
2.340
090413  2.229  2.273  2.420   2.402   2.204   2.175   2.202  2.250  2.336
2.350
090406  2.228  2.279  2.429   2.419   2.205   2.178   2.210  2.213  2.311
2.335
090330  2.221  2.281  2.424   2.399   2.218   2.176   2.203  2.146  2.282
2.297
090323  2.090  2.166  2.403   2.315   2.081   2.038   2.060  2.036  2.150
2.129
090316  2.017  2.093  2.403   2.254   1.995   1.965   1.973  1.988  2.091
2.049
090309  2.045  2.122  2.434   2.287   2.022   1.988   2.006  2.017  2.120
2.075
090302  2.087  2.153  2.472   2.314   2.055   2.030   2.043  2.091  2.185
2.144
090223  2.130  2.199  2.514   2.368   2.098   2.071   2.074  2.158  2.238
2.219
090216  2.186  2.250  2.559   2.420   2.148   2.137   2.133  2.183  2.284
2.262
090209  2.219  2.296  2.576   2.450   2.205   2.173   2.156  2.211  2.292
2.269
090202  2.246  2.325  2.583   2.484   2.233   2.201   2.189  2.229  2.303
2.288
090126  2.268  2.344  2.595   2.490   2.258   2.232   2.202  2.243  2.319
2.296
090119  2.296  2.377  2.613   2.514   2.297   2.264   2.227  2.249  2.338
2.319
090112  2.314  2.395  2.621   2.516   2.322   2.289   2.244  2.235  2.353
2.334
090105  2.291  2.380  2.596   2.496   2.310   2.272   2.228  2.215  2.275
2.239
081229  2.327  2.423  2.638   2.536   2.355   2.314   2.264  2.250  2.273
2.241
081222  2.366  2.469  2.689   2.566   2.406   2.359   2.306  2.272  2.274
2.251
081215  2.422  2.534  2.740   2.642   2.469   2.406   2.378  2.350  2.303
2.292
081208  2.515  2.632  2.849   2.742   2.564   2.491   2.465  2.447  2.421
2.402
081201  2.615  2.735  2.954   2.875   2.655   2.578   2.556  2.577  2.553
2.538
081124  2.664  2.788  2.997   2.925   2.710   2.624   2.598  2.644  2.608
2.605
081117  2.809  2.924  3.148   3.072   2.840   2.764   2.745  2.822  2.768
2.754
081110  2.944  3.060  3.266   3.203   2.980   2.888   2.895  2.964  2.910
2.913
081103  3.088  3.219  3.420   3.369   3.137   3.018   3.033  3.157  3.052
3.057
081027  3.288  3.397  3.573   3.509   3.333   3.244   3.219  3.375  3.233
3.286
081020  3.482  3.553  3.729   3.633   3.503   3.447   3.453  3.555  3.433
3.460
081013  3.659  3.709  3.892   3.794   3.655   3.641   3.631  3.697  3.622
3.656
081006  3.875  3.928  4.036   3.978   3.896   3.858   3.843  3.886  3.847
3.869
080929  3.959  4.020  4.077   4.073   3.992   3.936   3.929  3.944  3.941
3.963
080922  3.958  4.021  4.110   4.081   3.987   3.931   3.924  3.964  3.943
3.951
080915  4.023  4.082  4.246   4.166   4.031   3.973   4.011  4.041  4.056
4.053
080908  4.059  4.100  4.312   4.246   4.018   4.015   4.015  4.105  4.156
4.185
080901  4.121  4.169  4.359   4.307   4.093   4.066   4.068  4.184  4.248
4.282
080825  4.145  4.199  4.382   4.360   4.113   4.073   4.098  4.227  4.286
4.359
080818  4.207  4.263  4.422   4.414   4.184   4.130   4.156  4.319  4.356
4.422
080811  4.353  4.420  4.584   4.563   4.344   4.267   4.299  4.473  4.511
4.607
080804  4.502  4.563  4.735   4.672   4.501   4.419   4.450  4.605  4.664

Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

[Tom Hargrave]

As I stated before, I can't argue against anyone doing it right, but most of
these conversion are minimal and most are putting a lot of otherwise nice
Mercedes in junkyards. 

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of ernest breakfield
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:50 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

hi Tom!

a couple of points i would take exception with below:

- better 2-tank WVO systems will switch over automatically; no 
manual intervention required.

- your fuel source isn't necessarily as unstable as you make it 
sound; sourcing oil from a known restaurant can be at least as 
consistent as what we get from some #2 pumps,...   ;-*
the better Japanese restaurants we know barely use their oil before 
they throw it away, and it's very clean. it can often even be picked up 
in the same containers it was supplied to them in so you can see what 
the source oil was.

- you didn't address any of the issues related to making of BioD; 
ranging from dealing with chemicals to disposing of the inevitable waste 
(the Elephant in the Living Room in BioD discussions).


cheers!
e


Tom Hargrave wrote:
> Steve & Peter,
>
> I believe you just made the argument against burning WVO that I was trying
> to figure out how to type.
>
> The issues are:
>
> You need a relatively complex, relatively expensive system to properly run
> WVO in your Mercedes including 2 tanks (original diesel & added WVO).
>
> You need a multi-stage heating system.
>
> You need to remember to switch between fuels.
>
> The fuel source is unreliable & unrepeatable. And because of this, you
> always risk engine damage.
>
> The engine must be in excellent shape. If not then you risk engine damage.
>
> With everything the two of you pointed out, I wonder why anyone would risk
a
> WVO system in their Mercedes when you are a few steps away from
BIO-diesel.
>
> The advantages of BIO-diesel are:
>
> Much more consistent quality. The WVO quality will vary from load to load
> and the conversion process is modified with each batch to cover this
> variation. The end result is a much more consistent product.
>
> You still burn a waste oil source.
>
> No modifications needed to the fuel system.
>
> No special heaters.
>
> No second fuel tank.
>
> No need to remember to switch back & forth between fuels.
>
> Minimal risk to the engine.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
> 256-656-1924
>  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Steve MacSween
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:52 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong
>
> on 5/10/09 10:59, Peter Frederick at psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>   
>> If you have poor combustion, I suspect that WVO WILL coke up the
>> rings pretty fast, and I suspect most of the cheapskates who want to
>> run "free" fuel aren't going to put the $ into getting the engine
>> into tip top shape first.
>> 
>
> That is one big problem.
>
> The other difficulty is that the existing **mainstream** kit manufacturers
> (e.g., Frybrid, Greasecar, NOT the $500 fly-by-nighters like Lovecraft and
> certain eBay vendors, who are just Gong Show peformers) tend to deliver
> basic packages that are lowest-common-denominator at best.
>
> The kit suppliers just cannot arrive at an acceptable market price point
by
> including everything necessary to ensure optimimum performance and best
> insurance against premature wear for a wide range of vehicle conditions
and
> operating conditions (use patterns, climatic conditions, driving habits).
>
> As well, they vary in terms of how well they screen their potential
> mail-order customers in terms of the destination vehicle's age,
maintenance
> history, compression specs, etc. (They are, however, scrupulous in terms
of
> how they assess the vehicles they convert in-house.)
>
> In my opinion, there is not one kit on the market that does not require
> additional gear to safely run SVO/WVO over the long term. By my standards,
> not one kit provides sufficient heat at the injectors, and many are way
> below spec even before the injection pump.
>
> And there is almost nowhere in the U.S. or Canada, save perhaps afternoons
> in Death Valley, where you can safely run a single-tank system. Anyone who
> sells such solutions if pushing garbage for profit (excepting the German
> firm Elsbett, whose kits are very pricey and tech

Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

[Tom Hargrave]

Mike,

You and a few others are doing it right but based on the trashed diesels
I've seen around here, I'd say that 90% or more are doing it wrong.

It's frustrating to me because I want to find an older Mercedes diesel and
the few I can find around here at a reasonable price have been converted &
the engines are in serious trouble. I've found 6 out of 6 in the last year
this way.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Michael E. Esh
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:17 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong


Tom and others with interest:
The only thing I would add to your list is the added danger of processing
biodiesel, which was the reason for the beginning of this thread.  I process
my WVO oil in the garage and do not have a safe place to process biodiesel.
In filtering my oil with a centrifuge the highest temperature I get to is
about 160 degrees.
I spent $1800.00 on a frybrid kit that uses a separate tank for WVO.  The
kit uses 3 different engine coolant heat exchangers to heat the oil.  The
system switches automatically when it reaches 160 degrees Fahrenheit.
Initially it takes about 7 to 10 mile to achieve this, less after driving
for a while, so using it for short trips saves me very little.  I can switch
back to diesel any time with a flip of a switch.  I have spent about $500 on
a centrifuge filter system.  With this system it takes about 4 hours to
filter 35 gallons.
I do not claim it to be an exact science.  I do it because it is fun and
hopefully I will reap rewards.  I bought the car for $600 and have put
25,000 mile on it using WVO.  Performance has not changed over this time. I
am coming close to a break even point at this time and will continue to run
the car as long as I can.  If engine failure does occur I will replace it
with the spare I have set aside.

Mike

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Tom Hargrave
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:18 AM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong


Steve & Peter,

I believe you just made the argument against burning WVO that I was trying
to figure out how to type.

The issues are:

You need a relatively complex, relatively expensive system to properly run
WVO in your Mercedes including 2 tanks (original diesel & added WVO).

You need a multi-stage heating system.

You need to remember to switch between fuels.

The fuel source is unreliable & unrepeatable. And because of this, you
always risk engine damage.

The engine must be in excellent shape. If not then you risk engine damage.

With everything the two of you pointed out, I wonder why anyone would risk a
WVO system in their Mercedes when you are a few steps away from BIO-diesel.

The advantages of BIO-diesel are:

Much more consistent quality. The WVO quality will vary from load to load
and the conversion process is modified with each batch to cover this
variation. The end result is a much more consistent product.

You still burn a waste oil source.

No modifications needed to the fuel system.

No special heaters.

No second fuel tank.

No need to remember to switch back & forth between fuels.

Minimal risk to the engine.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
256-656-1924


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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Steve MacSween
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:52 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

on 5/10/09 10:59, Peter Frederick at psf...@earthlink.net wrote:

> If you have poor combustion, I suspect that WVO WILL coke up the
> rings pretty fast, and I suspect most of the cheapskates who want to
> run "free" fuel aren't going to put the $ into getting the engine
> into tip top shape first.

That is one big problem.

The other difficulty is that the existing **mainstream** kit manufacturers
(e.g., Frybrid, Greasecar, NOT the $500 fly-by-nighters like Lovecraft and
certain eBay vendors, who are just Gong Show peformers) tend to deliver
basic packages that are lowest-common-denominator at best.

The kit suppliers just cannot arrive at an acceptable market price point by
including everything necessary to ensure optimimum performance and best
insurance against premature wear for a wide range of vehicle conditions and
operating conditions (use patterns, climatic conditions, driving habits).

As well, they vary in terms of how well they screen their potential
mail-order customers in terms of the destination vehicle's age, maintenance
history, compression specs, etc. (They are, however, scrupulous in terms of
how they assess the vehicles they convert in-house.)

In my opinion, there is not one kit on the mar

Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

[Tom Hargrave]

Steve & Peter,

I believe you just made the argument against burning WVO that I was trying
to figure out how to type.

The issues are:

You need a relatively complex, relatively expensive system to properly run
WVO in your Mercedes including 2 tanks (original diesel & added WVO).

You need a multi-stage heating system.

You need to remember to switch between fuels.

The fuel source is unreliable & unrepeatable. And because of this, you
always risk engine damage.

The engine must be in excellent shape. If not then you risk engine damage.

With everything the two of you pointed out, I wonder why anyone would risk a
WVO system in their Mercedes when you are a few steps away from BIO-diesel.

The advantages of BIO-diesel are:

Much more consistent quality. The WVO quality will vary from load to load
and the conversion process is modified with each batch to cover this
variation. The end result is a much more consistent product.

You still burn a waste oil source.

No modifications needed to the fuel system.

No special heaters.

No second fuel tank.

No need to remember to switch back & forth between fuels.

Minimal risk to the engine.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
256-656-1924
 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Steve MacSween
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:52 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

on 5/10/09 10:59, Peter Frederick at psf...@earthlink.net wrote:

> If you have poor combustion, I suspect that WVO WILL coke up the
> rings pretty fast, and I suspect most of the cheapskates who want to
> run "free" fuel aren't going to put the $ into getting the engine
> into tip top shape first.

That is one big problem.

The other difficulty is that the existing **mainstream** kit manufacturers
(e.g., Frybrid, Greasecar, NOT the $500 fly-by-nighters like Lovecraft and
certain eBay vendors, who are just Gong Show peformers) tend to deliver
basic packages that are lowest-common-denominator at best.

The kit suppliers just cannot arrive at an acceptable market price point by
including everything necessary to ensure optimimum performance and best
insurance against premature wear for a wide range of vehicle conditions and
operating conditions (use patterns, climatic conditions, driving habits).

As well, they vary in terms of how well they screen their potential
mail-order customers in terms of the destination vehicle's age, maintenance
history, compression specs, etc. (They are, however, scrupulous in terms of
how they assess the vehicles they convert in-house.)

In my opinion, there is not one kit on the market that does not require
additional gear to safely run SVO/WVO over the long term. By my standards,
not one kit provides sufficient heat at the injectors, and many are way
below spec even before the injection pump.

And there is almost nowhere in the U.S. or Canada, save perhaps afternoons
in Death Valley, where you can safely run a single-tank system. Anyone who
sells such solutions if pushing garbage for profit (excepting the German
firm Elsbett, whose kits are very pricey and technically sophisticated, and
not aimed at either DIYers or North American conditions).

The other big problem is the question of the actual oil. A good deal of used
restaurant oil is far too worn out to be usable.

Worn out or poorly filtered WVO will ensure you kill a motor.  Add to this
poor compression, as Peter was talking about, and you will kill it even
quicker.

Proper WVO treatment is an entire area of debate in and of itself. Many
people have complex arrangements, and do their own batch testing. I am not
knowledgeable in this area.

WVO use IS an experimental concept. It is not for everyone. If you think
it's hokum, I am not likely to convince you otherwise.

OTOH, bear in mind that the mainstream of car enthusiasts feel about the
same about people who choose to drive 15-30 year old diesel Mercedes, as
Luther feels about WVO. You have to at least keep an open mind.

Cheers to all.

Mac



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Re: [MBZ] 300E issues

[Tom Hargrave]

The excite current initially flows through the dash circuit then through the
charge light to the regulator. This is what initially excites the
alternator, then the regulator takes over.

I bet the charge light is off when the car is running? I net the feed wire
going into the back of the regulator - the smaller of the two, is broken
right at the connector.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:10 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E issues

You are correct. It is my pickup that is an 89.

Getting some strange stuff w/ the car. Charged the battery up overnight (to
13.89 volts). Started the car and slapped the voltmeter back onto the
battery. Not charging -- was showing about 11 volts.

However, the strange thing is that all of the idiot lights are lit up,
including the low fuel light by the fuel gauge. The SRS light does go out,
but none of the others do.

Would a voltage regulator do that?


On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> your car is a 86
>
> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>
>> It is an 89.
>>
>>
>


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

[Tom Hargrave]

Tyler,

A friend if mine travels to Mexico a lot. He's Hispanic descent and he also
feels safe & probably is. But I'm white and I stick out like a sore thumb in
Mexico. Locals automatically know that I'm not local and I draw attention
which makes me a target.

Do you look like you are from the area or do you look "European - American"?
If you look like you are from the area then you blend in & will not be a
target.

I would not be a target in any Northern European country.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of tyler
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:41 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

I feel safe travelling anywhere in Mexico and have spent a lot of time 
doing it an never had problems all over Baja and the Yucatan. My parents 
even lived down there for several years, and I have an uncle that 
currently lives in Tijuana and commutes across the border to his job in 
California every day.

Fears of Mexico are irrational IMO. I've never seen a place as dangerous 
in Mexico as many areas here in the Los Angeles basin.

Tyler

Loren Faeth wrote:
> I don't consider mexico to be part of the civilized world...  I feel 
> safe travelling anywhere in Italy.  I don't feel safe travelling 
> anywhere in Mexico without native, and preferably Federales 
> protection. (Bribed of course)
>
> At 09:26 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote:
>> Second most corrupt - Mexico is ahead of them. Thanks, Tom Hargrave
>
>
>
>
> Loren Faeth

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

[Tom Hargrave]

I've been to both countries and Mexico is definitely more civilized than
Italy. Actually, Italy is the poorest, most dismal country I've been to in
Europe. I've not been to Spain but I hear its worse.

I'm talking about the real country, not the propped up tourist traps we
THINK these countries are all about. Stay in the tourist areas and you leave
with a very grand view of Italy, Mexico, Jamaica, etc, etc. Go too far away
without some local help and you might find yourself dead over an American
$20.00 bill. We Americans have a very twisted view of the world!

BTW, if you can bribe someone in a poor country for protection then someone
else can pay him $20.00 more than you are offering to turn against you.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:56 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

I don't consider mexico to be part of the civilized world...  I feel 
safe travelling anywhere in Italy.  I don't feel safe travelling 
anywhere in Mexico without native, and preferably Federales 
protection. (Bribed of course)

At 09:26 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote:
>Second most corrupt - Mexico is ahead of them. Thanks, Tom Hargrave




Loren Faeth 


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

[Tom Hargrave]

Second most corrupt - Mexico is ahead of them.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:12 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

If Fiat had any brains, they'd shut down the 
plants  (oops they are already shut down) buy up 
the chrypsler assets (oops, that is the plan) and 
hire new employees, sans the gummit, and sans 
gett le finger.  (Now theres a concept they can't comprehend)

Lesseee... where's Fiat from, oh, yeah, one of 
the most corrupt so called "civilized countries"

[waiting for the flame about being 
anti-onion.   we wouldn't want to be realistic, would we?]


At 05:35 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote:
>Dear Employees, The U.S. Bankruptcy Court 
>approved a process for the expeditious sale of 
>substantially all of Chrysler LLC’s assets. This 
>is a major step forward as it sets out a swift, 
>clear path to achieve our goal of concluding our 
>alliance with Fiat S.p.A. and create a new 
>company that will be stronger and more 
>competitive. It is crucial that this transaction 
>be completed in a timely manner in order to 
>secure maximum value for our stakeholders and to 
>preserve key relationships with suppliers, 
>dealers and other business partners. In 
>addition, financial commitments from the U.S. 
>and Canadian governments require the alliance 
>with Fiat be consummated within 60 days of 
>Chapter 11 filing on April 30. Our new labor 
>agreements with the UAW and CAW also depend on 
>prompt completion of the proposed Fiat alliance. 
>As we’ve said many times before, our leadership 
>left no stone unturned as we aggressively 
>pursued a strategy of alliances and partnerships 
>with other OEMs and suppliers around the world. 
>Out of respect for the negotiating process and 
>confidentiality requirements, we have not 
>commented in the past on partnership talks that 
>have not resulted in deals. However, as part of 
>the Bankruptcy Court process, we disclosed that 
>we have previously discussed various 
>transactions with Nissan, General Motors, 
>Volkswagen, Tata Motors, Magna, GAZ, Hyundai, 
>Honda and Toyota and others over an extended 
>period of time. These discussions did not 
>produce any viable alternative to the proposed 
>alliance with Fiat.   It’s clear that the Fiat 
>deal represents the best opportunity for us. The 
>court today established a fair and orderly 
>process to confirm that the Fiat transaction 
>represents the best and highest bid for 
>Chrysler’s assets, or promptly identify any 
>other higher and better alternatives. An 
>alternative bidder would have to surpass the 
>value of the terms of the agreement with Fiat to 
>be successful. Going forward, important court 
>dates for us are: •May 20, the deadline 
>for submission of alternative bids •May 
>26, the deadline for the notice of designation 
>of lead bidder •May 27, the date for the 
>sale hearing to consider the approval of the 
>proposed sale It’s important to remember that 
>during this transition time, our dealers still 
>have great products to offer. Our quality has 
>never been better, as shown by our 29 percent 
>reduction in warranty claims over the last year. 
>For the 2009 model year, we improved the fuel 
>economy on 73 percent of our products. Our 
>dealers not only met their concession goals, but 
>also have continued to show tremendous 
>enthusiasm for our company, our brands and our 
>products in their local communities. To assist 
>our dealers and attract consumers, we are 
>introducing new incentives beginning today. 
>We’re offering as much as $4,000 consumer cash 
>on 2009 model vehicles; a $1,000 owner loyalty 
>incentive for current Chrysler LLC vehicle 
>owners that is good towards most 2008 and 2009 
>vehicles; and as much as $1,000 credit union 
>bonus cash for qualified members who finance 
>their new vehicle purchase through one of 1,500 
>participating credit unions. These incentives 
>are valid through June 1, and they make it a 
>great time to shop for a new Chrysler, Jeep® or 
>Dodge. Acclaim for our new products keeps 
>rolling in. For example, the all-new 2009 Dodge 
>Ram 1500 came out on top in a head-to-head 
>competition against the Chevy Silverado, Ford 
>F-150 and Toyota Tundra conducted by 
>Edmunds.com. Edmunds praised the Ram’s 5.7-liter 
>V-8 engine, towing ability, axle ratio, fuel 
>efficiency and the RamBox™ cargo storage system. 
>The publication also raved about interior 
>features such as the heated and vented seats, 
>the navigation system and

Re: [MBZ] 300E issues

[Tom Hargrave]

Yep and mounts the same way.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:49 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E issues

Is that part of the alternator, like it is on a 240D?

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> No fuse I know of.  Most likely the voltage regulator though.
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] 300E issues

[Tom Hargrave]

Go one step further & check the commutator rings for pitting. If they are
then you are wasting your time replacing the regulator because the pitting
will grind the new brushes down to nothing within 10K miles.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:55 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E issues

Yea, its just screws into the back of the alternator.  Remove the 2 
screws, pull it out, and see if the brushes are worn down.

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> Is that part of the alternator, like it is on a 240D?
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin
wrote:
>
>   
>> No fuse I know of.  Most likely the voltage regulator though.
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

[Tom Hargrave]

I used them in my old 220D & one of my old 240D's I also put one in one of
the 123 bodies I owned but I don't remember which one. They worked great.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:00 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

OK, are these any good?  Rusty?  Need a radiator for my E300.  I can buy 
a used one searching car=part.com which may or may not be OE for around 
150-170 plus whatever shipping, so probably 20-30 more for shipping.  
Or, I can spend 220 for a new nissens from Rusty.  Im almost leaning 
toward the new one but wondered if those were any good.

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Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys

[Tom Hargrave]

One of my brothers owned three of them. He kept them maintained for many
years and many miles. He only stopped driving the cars when he could no
longer find parts in the junkyard.

All three were pulled off the road for items you could find for just about
any other car on the road. Stupid stuff like the front strut failed on one
and there were none available.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys

Tom Hargrave wrote:
> The Fesiva may have looked cheap but I knew many pizza delivery people
> who put 200K - 300K on the cars with no major issues. Friends were
> searching the local junkyards for seats, window regulators and door
> latches.

I knew a driver who bought a new Yugo GV. 50,000 miles later, my Horizon was

as-new, her Yugo looked OK but had a blue cloud following it down the road.
I 
don't know how well she maintained the Yugo.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] GM

[Tom Hargrave]

Kind of like the Mercedes 380 timing chain and Mercedes 300D head and
Mercedes 350D rod bender failures???

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From: "Gary Hurst" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: 5/6/09 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM

yeah.  happens anytime with no warning.  saved a dime for the general
though
and gave em a few more good laughs.

yup, good times in detroit!  let's have another martini!

i won't miss em

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> no, it's not wear.  it's lack of oiling and sudden catastrophic
failure
>>
>
> So a chain link seizes and then snaps, rather than just getting
sloppier
> until it finally fails?
>
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys

[Tom Hargrave]

The Fesiva may have looked cheap but I knew many pizza delivery people
who put 200K - 300K on the cars with no major issues. Friends were
searching the local junkyards for seats, window regulators and door
latches.

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-Original Message-
From: "Curt Raymond" 
To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: 5/6/09 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys

Thats probably a Focus, the Fiesta isn't out here, I don't think they've
made one since the '80s. The one in the '80s was a piece of crap but it
was IIRC really really cheap so that balances..

-Curt

Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:44:19 -0400
From: "Archer" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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From: Curt Raymond
Yeah, Ford. Its not out yet here but the buzz is impressive. Its a small

car, European design that they've used overseas for awhile. 118hp,
~40mpg, 
~$12k, looks good and is purported to be a real drivers car.
Of course I'll have to drive one to be sure but I'm interested thus far.
-Curt
-
I had a ride to a motel in what I think was a Fiesta several years ago. 
It 
went like the devil and didn't ride bad for a small car.
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[MBZ] More from Chrysler

[Tom Hargrave]

Dear Employees, 

The U.S. Bankruptcy Court approved a process for the expeditious sale of
substantially all of Chrysler LLC’s assets. This is a major step forward as
it sets out a swift, clear path to achieve our goal of concluding our
alliance with Fiat S.p.A. and create a new company that will be stronger and
more competitive. 

It is crucial that this transaction be completed in a timely manner in order
to secure maximum value for our stakeholders and to preserve key
relationships with suppliers, dealers and other business partners. In
addition, financial commitments from the U.S. and Canadian governments
require the alliance with Fiat be consummated within 60 days of Chapter 11
filing on April 30. Our new labor agreements with the UAW and CAW also
depend on prompt completion of the proposed Fiat alliance. 

As we’ve said many times before, our leadership left no stone unturned as we
aggressively pursued a strategy of alliances and partnerships with other
OEMs and suppliers around the world. Out of respect for the negotiating
process and confidentiality requirements, we have not commented in the past
on partnership talks that have not resulted in deals. However, as part of
the Bankruptcy Court process, we disclosed that we have previously discussed
various transactions with Nissan, General Motors, Volkswagen, Tata Motors,
Magna, GAZ, Hyundai, Honda and Toyota and others over an extended period of
time. These discussions did not produce any viable alternative to the
proposed alliance with Fiat.   

It’s clear that the Fiat deal represents the best opportunity for us. The
court today established a fair and orderly process to confirm that the Fiat
transaction represents the best and highest bid for Chrysler’s assets, or
promptly identify any other higher and better alternatives. An alternative
bidder would have to surpass the value of the terms of the agreement with
Fiat to be successful. 

Going forward, important court dates for us are: 

•May 20, the deadline for submission of alternative bids 
•May 26, the deadline for the notice of designation of lead bidder 
•May 27, the date for the sale hearing to consider the approval of
the proposed sale 

It’s important to remember that during this transition time, our dealers
still have great products to offer. Our quality has never been better, as
shown by our 29 percent reduction in warranty claims over the last year. For
the 2009 model year, we improved the fuel economy on 73 percent of our
products. 

Our dealers not only met their concession goals, but also have continued to
show tremendous enthusiasm for our company, our brands and our products in
their local communities. To assist our dealers and attract consumers, we are
introducing new incentives beginning today. We’re offering as much as $4,000
consumer cash on 2009 model vehicles; a $1,000 owner loyalty incentive for
current Chrysler LLC vehicle owners that is good towards most 2008 and 2009
vehicles; and as much as $1,000 credit union bonus cash for qualified
members who finance their new vehicle purchase through one of 1,500
participating credit unions. These incentives are valid through June 1, and
they make it a great time to shop for a new Chrysler, Jeep® or Dodge. 

Acclaim for our new products keeps rolling in. For example, the all-new 2009
Dodge Ram 1500 came out on top in a head-to-head competition against the
Chevy Silverado, Ford F-150 and Toyota Tundra conducted by Edmunds.com.
Edmunds praised the Ram’s 5.7-liter V-8 engine, towing ability, axle ratio,
fuel efficiency and the RamBox™ cargo storage system. The publication also
raved about interior features such as the heated and vented seats, the
navigation system and rear-seat DVD. 

We realize that thousands of pages of documents have been filed with the
court. As media members scrutinize these documents that are now public,
you’ll undoubtedly continue to hear and read stories about our business.  I
want to remind you to go to HYPERLINK "http://scoop.chrysler.com"The Scoop
or to HYPERLINK
"http://www.chryslerrestructuring.com"www.chryslerrestructuring.com to get
the details on all motions and documents that have been filed in court. 

Once more, thank you for your sacrifices, which have helped lay the
groundwork for the swift completion of this process that will enable us to
emerge as a vibrant company with bright, long-term prospects. 

Bob  

 

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Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys

[Tom Hargrave]

In that case I guess I should forget about trading my 77 Vette in for a
new one.

Thanks, Tom
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-Original Message-
From: "Rich Thomas" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: 5/6/09 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys

I think only to buy a Gummint Motors car on the approved list.

--R

Curt Raymond wrote:
> What I think many of you are missing is that its $4500 to buy a new
car, like its a voucher to buy a new car...
>
> I'm thinking to get the $4500 out of my $400 240D to buy me a new
Fiesta...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 01:22:51 -0700
> From: "kevin kraly" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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>
> I would be right behind with the '83 300SD.  That way, I could buy
another 
> one and I'd have the money to fix the flaws like non-working AC and
rusty 
> rear window channel.  Of course, this would only work if word of the
$4500 
> hadn't spread too far.
>
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula who's glad to be on the road once again 
>
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Re: [MBZ] GM

[Tom Hargrave]

Gary,

So, you think the Germans, Japanese and Koreans are better? Obviously, you
don't remember history.

The first Toyota cars were so dismal that they could not give then away in
this country. The only Toyota that would sell in this country for years was
the Land Cruiser.

The first Honda cars were death traps - they were so bad in the early 70s
that our Government forced them to stop selling until they got their act
together.

Then there were the mid-late Toyotas that would impale you on the steering
column if you were unfortunate enough to be the driver of the car and had an
accident without your seatbelt on. BTW, this problem was solved by GM in the
60s and GM thought the design improvement was so important that they gave it
to the auto industry. The design was the collapsible steering column. All of
the American auto makers adopted the design, Toyota did not. BTW, Mercedes
did adopt their version of the design.

Let's not forget Mercedes with their single roller timing chain engine that
would fail in less than 100,000 miles - this was the 380 released in the
late 80s. The 280 engine that would leak oil profusely from under the cam
carrier & maybe replacing the gaskets would work, maybe not. You also had
the W107 sub-frame cracking issue, the late 60s diesel issue, the list goes
on & on.

Oh, and the more recent Mercedes 320 engine that would sludge up & die if
you used Dino oil even though Dino oil was approved by Mercedes. Mercedes
refused to fix this one until they lost a class action lawsuit.

I'm not saying there aren't issues with the "big three". But if you believe
that the Japanese, German, Italian or Korean auto makers don't mock the
American public, you are wrong. Their crap is no better than ours.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:36 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM

after nearly a half century of cynically mocking the american public, it's
really about time for all 3 to just go away.

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Tom Hargrave  wrote:

> None of us know the inner workings of GM or any other company - we just
> listen to the "talking heads" on CNN & FOX & believe what they tell us.
>
> I remember when the "talking heads" stated that Chrysler was dead in the
> early 80s, then Chrysler pulled out & thrived for more than 20 years!
>
> GM is far from dead. GM is trying to survive and they will probably make
> it.
>
> The one to watch is Ford. They were lucky enough to have more cash on hand
> when things went south but it's catching up with them fast. It's likely
> that
> GM and Chrysler will restructure & leave Ford behind.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Allan Streib
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:43 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM
>
> Rich Thomas  writes:
>
> > This is just so astounding on so many levels.
> >
> > http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE54471X20090505
>
> GM is dead.  It's all over but the burial.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] GM

[Tom Hargrave]

None of us know the inner workings of GM or any other company - we just
listen to the "talking heads" on CNN & FOX & believe what they tell us.

I remember when the "talking heads" stated that Chrysler was dead in the
early 80s, then Chrysler pulled out & thrived for more than 20 years!

GM is far from dead. GM is trying to survive and they will probably make it.

The one to watch is Ford. They were lucky enough to have more cash on hand
when things went south but it's catching up with them fast. It's likely that
GM and Chrysler will restructure & leave Ford behind.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:43 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM

Rich Thomas  writes:

> This is just so astounding on so many levels.
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE54471X20090505

GM is dead.  It's all over but the burial.

Allan
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[MBZ] FW: Better buy 'em now boys

[Tom Hargrave]

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-Original Message-
From: Tom Hargrave [mailto:tharg...@hiwaay.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:23 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys

The average car buyer does not think like you do. The Feds are going to put
$4500 in their hot hands and say "thou shalt spend, be well and prosper in
your new econo-box" and he shall.

Also, most owners of older Mercedes don't think like us. It won't take too
long for them to figure out that they can trade their $2500 Mercedes and a
$4500 voucher in for a car they could not afford without the program.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:54 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys

I think that is the catch. My 240D and my 300E are quite safe. To what would
I upgrade?

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:52 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> 'May have to show proof of purchase of newer, etc., to collect.
>
> Wilton
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[MBZ] FW: Better buy 'em now boys

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From: Tom Hargrave [mailto:tharg...@hiwaay.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:25 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys

Assuming you can find one. The next 240D you try to buy will be instantly
worth $3500, possibly more because of the $4500 voucher attached to it.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:46 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys

If they give me $4K for my rusty 240D, I will be the first in line -- and
will then buy another one and pocket the change.

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Tom Hargrave  wrote:

> The bill & results will be non-selective.
>
> Thanks,
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:24 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys
>
> I think Obama is talking K-Cars (and maybe my 10 mpg pickup), not our
> live-forever diesels.
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>
> > cause deys all goin ta da crusha.
> >
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090505/pl_nm/us_energy_autos
> >
> > The Change you Hoped for!
> >
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From: Tom Hargrave [mailto:tharg...@hiwaay.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:25 PM
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Subject: RE: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys

Assuming you can find one. The next 240D you try to buy will be instantly
worth $3500, possibly more because of the $4500 voucher attached to it.

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On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:46 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys

If they give me $4K for my rusty 240D, I will be the first in line -- and
will then buy another one and pocket the change.

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Tom Hargrave  wrote:

> The bill & results will be non-selective.
>
> Thanks,
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:24 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys
>
> I think Obama is talking K-Cars (and maybe my 10 mpg pickup), not our
> live-forever diesels.
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>
> > cause deys all goin ta da crusha.
> >
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090505/pl_nm/us_energy_autos
> >
> > The Change you Hoped for!
> >
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Subject: RE: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update

The new Liberty and I love it.

Wife convinced me to trade - she works for Chrysler. She also traded her
Grand Cherokee for a new Grand Cherokee.

So, now we have 2 new Jeeps, the 87 300SDL, 77 Vette and a couple of
motorcycles.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:30 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update

Wha? Did you replace your beloved Grand with it?

-Curt

Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 21:22:13 -0500
From: "Tom Hargrave" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
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I agree, the original Liberty was terrible. I have one of the new Nitro
based models and I love it.

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Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys

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The bill & results will be non-selective.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys

I think Obama is talking K-Cars (and maybe my 10 mpg pickup), not our
live-forever diesels.

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> cause deys all goin ta da crusha.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090505/pl_nm/us_energy_autos
>
> The Change you Hoped for!
>
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update

[Tom Hargrave]

I agree, the original Liberty was terrible. I have one of the new Nitro
based models and I love it.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:20 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update

Jeep had the Eagle back in the 80s, it seemed to be a Hornet on a 4x4 
platform.

--R

Curt Raymond wrote:
> The Cherokee holds a little place in my heart as my least favorite 4x4
ever. A stock Cherokee is so unimaginably sucky in the woods it astounds me.
I also find them uncomfortable and amazingly unrefined. I have no idea why
they are so popular.
>
> The Liberty (which is the Cherokee elsewhere in the world) is a close
second. With very little feedback to the driver its amazingly easy to get
stuck since you have nearly no idea what the wheels are doing. The body
panels also have amazing sound transmitting properites which can make you
think every stick you drive over is poking holes in the oil pan. Oh and the
back seat is apparently plywood covered with nails... This is the old model,
I have yet to ride in the new Dodge Nitro (snicker) based model.
>
> I also have to mention the Patriot and Compass (which are apparently both
based on the (snicker!) Dodge Caliber) what idiot thought Jeep needed a car
in its lineup? 
>
> Of course if they sold well I suppose they'd be worth it, I'd love to know
the real numbers on those.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:30:57 -0500
> From: "Tom Hargrave" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Message-ID: <016401c9cdea$4e6fa230$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9>
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>
> There is truth to the rumor. The Jeep Liberty was slated to take the place
> of the aging Wrangler but Daimler misunderstood the Wrangler's following
in
> this country. When news got out there was almost a revolt amongst Jeep
> owners and Daimler quickly back pedaled. By then the Liberty was already
out
> on the street and it became the next Jeep model, not the Wrangler and not
> the Cherokee but something in between. 
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update

[Tom Hargrave]

There is truth to the rumor. The Jeep Liberty was slated to take the place
of the aging Wrangler but Daimler misunderstood the Wrangler's following in
this country. When news got out there was almost a revolt amongst Jeep
owners and Daimler quickly back pedaled. By then the Liberty was already out
on the street and it became the next Jeep model, not the Wrangler and not
the Cherokee but something in between. 

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of ernest breakfield
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:13 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update

and amazingly enough, at the same time a report from Down Under shows 
these concept J**ps from the Underground gang that surfaced at J**p Week 
in Moab over Easter,...
http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/news-and-reviews/story/jeep_mopar_concepts
_at_moab_safari/

forgive me, but a couple of these are completely and totally 
bitchin'. (couldn't think of a more appropriate car-type word.)
the way they got axle clearance under that Lower Forty while keeping 
the Center of Gravity as low as possible is the stuff of wet dreams to 
old trail hounds,... but give me something like that Overland Wrangler 
with the Diesel engine that's alluded to elsewhere in the article, and 
you'd have me seriously interested.


cheers!
e


Curt Raymond wrote:
> Jalopnik reports a rumor of Chrysler killing off the Wrangler which is the
ONLY real Jeep left. If they do so they are dead, nothing anybody can do can
overcome the inherent stupidity of the company as they will have completely
destroyed the last name brand they had left worth anything.
>
> -Curt
>   

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chainsaw engines; was B-29 now hot rod walker

[Tom Hargrave]

O, spinning wheel covers! I still like the V8 idea.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:07 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Chainsaw engines; was B-29 now hot rod walker

Nah, pimping it would require much bigger wheels and chrome, spinning wheel 
covers.  ;<)

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Chainsaw engines; was B-29 now hot rod walker


> oooh yeah, pimp my walker :-)
>
> Hendrik
>
> WILTON wrote:
>> Actually, I may be able to put FOUR of those under the seat, but my first

>> thought was to keep it simple with direct chain drive to the two rear, 
>> non pivoting wheels.  These two wheels on my motorized version would 
>> become the front wheels with the two castered wheels (now front) 
>> following in the rear. Working out a drive system for the castered wheels

>> would make it more complicated, or I could make them stationary, too, and

>> steer by differential braking and throttling.  ;<)))
>>
>> Wilton
>>
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 300E Price?

[Tom Hargrave]

KBB lists the car at $3800 in excellent condition.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Donald Snook
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:09 AM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: [MBZ] 1991 300E Price?

Listers,

I have not fallen off the face of the Earth. I have just been VERY busy and
my computer/email has really been acting up.

I am not sure if this will even go through.  But, in case it does, here
goes.

I found a 1991 300E in VERY nice shape.  My indy has it.  He always has 7-10
cars on his lot and I saw this one this morning.  It has 151,000 miles.  It
is that desert sand metallic color, leather seats, paint looks good with
only a very small scratch on the rear quarter panel.  Otherwise, it looks
perfect.  He wasn;t there yet, so I don't anything about it mechanically or
if he has any history with the car.

Any thoughts on prices?  Other suggestions or things to check out?

Donald H. Snook
1993 Cadillac
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[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices

[Tom Hargrave]

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Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:52 PM
To: weekdfpr...@tonto.eia.doe.gov
Subject: Today's Diesel Prices

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   On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD
(Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes)

Diesel Prices Web URL:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp

   Average All Types

US
NATL   EASTNEWCENTLOWER   GULF   ROCKY   WEST
 DATE   AVGCOAST ENGLAND   ATL ATL   MIDWEST  COAST   MTN   COAST
CA

   PADD   PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD   PADDPADD
 I IA  IB  IC  II III IV  V
--  -  - ---  -   -  ---  -  -  -
-

090504  2.185  2.226  2.382   2.365   2.152   2.124   2.153  2.262  2.306
2.316
090427  2.201  2.241  2.395   2.374   2.171   2.142   2.171  2.270  2.315
2.320
090420  2.221  2.264  2.403   2.392   2.197   2.166   2.186  2.274  2.327
2.340
090413  2.229  2.273  2.420   2.402   2.204   2.175   2.202  2.250  2.336
2.350
090406  2.228  2.279  2.429   2.419   2.205   2.178   2.210  2.213  2.311
2.335
090330  2.221  2.281  2.424   2.399   2.218   2.176   2.203  2.146  2.282
2.297
090323  2.090  2.166  2.403   2.315   2.081   2.038   2.060  2.036  2.150
2.129
090316  2.017  2.093  2.403   2.254   1.995   1.965   1.973  1.988  2.091
2.049
090309  2.045  2.122  2.434   2.287   2.022   1.988   2.006  2.017  2.120
2.075
090302  2.087  2.153  2.472   2.314   2.055   2.030   2.043  2.091  2.185
2.144
090223  2.130  2.199  2.514   2.368   2.098   2.071   2.074  2.158  2.238
2.219
090216  2.186  2.250  2.559   2.420   2.148   2.137   2.133  2.183  2.284
2.262
090209  2.219  2.296  2.576   2.450   2.205   2.173   2.156  2.211  2.292
2.269
090202  2.246  2.325  2.583   2.484   2.233   2.201   2.189  2.229  2.303
2.288
090126  2.268  2.344  2.595   2.490   2.258   2.232   2.202  2.243  2.319
2.296
090119  2.296  2.377  2.613   2.514   2.297   2.264   2.227  2.249  2.338
2.319
090112  2.314  2.395  2.621   2.516   2.322   2.289   2.244  2.235  2.353
2.334
090105  2.291  2.380  2.596   2.496   2.310   2.272   2.228  2.215  2.275
2.239
081229  2.327  2.423  2.638   2.536   2.355   2.314   2.264  2.250  2.273
2.241
081222  2.366  2.469  2.689   2.566   2.406   2.359   2.306  2.272  2.274
2.251
081215  2.422  2.534  2.740   2.642   2.469   2.406   2.378  2.350  2.303
2.292
081208  2.515  2.632  2.849   2.742   2.564   2.491   2.465  2.447  2.421
2.402
081201  2.615  2.735  2.954   2.875   2.655   2.578   2.556  2.577  2.553
2.538
081124  2.664  2.788  2.997   2.925   2.710   2.624   2.598  2.644  2.608
2.605
081117  2.809  2.924  3.148   3.072   2.840   2.764   2.745  2.822  2.768
2.754
081110  2.944  3.060  3.266   3.203   2.980   2.888   2.895  2.964  2.910
2.913
081103  3.088  3.219  3.420   3.369   3.137   3.018   3.033  3.157  3.052
3.057
081027  3.288  3.397  3.573   3.509   3.333   3.244   3.219  3.375  3.233
3.286
081020  3.482  3.553  3.729   3.633   3.503   3.447   3.453  3.555  3.433
3.460
081013  3.659  3.709  3.892   3.794   3.655   3.641   3.631  3.697  3.622
3.656
081006  3.875  3.928  4.036   3.978   3.896   3.858   3.843  3.886  3.847
3.869
080929  3.959  4.020  4.077   4.073   3.992   3.936   3.929  3.944  3.941
3.963
080922  3.958  4.021  4.110   4.081   3.987   3.931   3.924  3.964  3.943
3.951
080915  4.023  4.082  4.246   4.166   4.031   3.973   4.011  4.041  4.056
4.053
080908  4.059  4.100  4.312   4.246   4.018   4.015   4.015  4.105  4.156
4.185
080901  4.121  4.169  4.359   4.307   4.093   4.066   4.068  4.184  4.248
4.282
080825  4.145  4.199  4.382   4.360   4.113   4.073   4.098  4.227  4.286
4.359
080818  4.207  4.263  4.422   4.414   4.184   4.130   4.156  4.319  4.356
4.422
080811  4.353  4.420  4.584   4.563   4.344   4.267   4.299  4.473  4.511
4.607
080804  4.502  4.563  4.735   4.672   4.501   4.419   4.450  4.605  4.664
4.781
080728  4.603  4.664  4.806   4.772   4.604   4.518   4.570  4.657  4.766

Re: [MBZ] OT - Chainsaw engines; was B-29

[Tom Hargrave]

Wheelies

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:07 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Chainsaw engines; was B-29

'Zackly what I meant.  I'd expect my riding "walker" to go a little faster, 
though.  ;<)

Wilton

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From: "Fmiser" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Chainsaw engines; was B-29


>> WILTON wrote:
>
>> Working
>> out a drive system for the castered wheels would make it more
>> complicated, or I could make them stationary, too, and steer
>> by differential braking and throttling.  ;<)))
>
> Skid-steering seems to work pretty good for Bobcats.
>
> --Philip
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chainsaw engines; was B-29

[Tom Hargrave]

I envision your walker taking off in front of you, with you holding on for
dear life and your legs flapping in the breeze behind you

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:56 PM
To: mercedes list
Subject: [MBZ] OT - Chainsaw engines; was B-29

I've considered putting a coupla chainsaw engines on  my walker.  It has a
seat, of course, and hand-operated brakes.  There's plenty of room under the
seat for 2 engines.  I can easily add throttle cables, and I could steer
with differential braking.  I'd probably use bigger, pneumatic wheels/tires
to provide smoother ride and reduce possible forward tipping on cracks,
etc., with the small, hard plastic original wheels.   ;<))

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Re: [MBZ] Car runs excellent and on 90 percent Vegetable Oil with10percent Diesel.

[Tom Hargrave]

OK, it's your car - I won't risk it in my $5,000 engine.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of dave walton
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:49 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car runs excellent and on 90 percent Vegetable Oil
with10percent Diesel.

The temperature of fuel going to the injectors makes NO difference on
the temperature of the fuel leaving the injectors. That tells me that
the injector has good thermal conductivity to the head and is a more
than adequate heat source to warm the liquid passing through it. If
the oil is too thick, not enough flows through the system and
acceleration is limited. The fuel filter is very effective at removing
particulates large enough to cause damage.
WVO will NOT cause coking of the injector or burnt rings in my
experience.  I'm left blaming those reported problems on other
underlying issues.

I wrapped both fuel lines with an outer hose circulated with coolant.
Using a flat plate heat exchanger actually made no noticeable
difference. Below 45F I thin with diesel or kerosene. I do filter the
hell out of the oil, but that's just to make the standard fuel filter
last longer. I'm running one of my 87SDL's on straight WVO with no
mods to the car (not the blue one I got from you - Pete) - just to
prove the point. Not enough miles on that one to make any
determination. So far it's running fine - at least during the summer.
I do have to admit that I got lazy and filled that one up with a few
tanks of 100% diesel over the winter.

-Dave Walton

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 7:09 PM, tyler  wrote:
> WVO won't destroy a motor if it's done properly, but it almost never is.
The
> ad here claims they were able to just pour it into the tank.
>
> The injection systems on our MB Diesels are designed for fuel with a
certain
> viscosity, and cleanliness. WVO needs to be very well filtered, and heated
> to a high temp before it can meet these specs...
>
> Most of the WVO systems out there (including expensive commercial ones)
fail
> to achieve a sufficiently low fuel viscosity and high enough fuel
> temperature at the injector. A properly designed system requires massive
> heating capacity (usually powerful electric heat AND large coolant heat
> exchangers) to get the viscosity low enough.
>
> If you've been running with no problems for 70k, how are you filtering and
> heating your oil?
>
> Personally if I were to convert a MB Diesel to WVO, I would
> 1) determine the temperature at which my particular choice of used oil
> achieves a viscosity of 6-10 cSt or less
> 2) incorporate a temperature sensor into the system to guarantee that any
> oil entering the engine has reached this temperature (ie automatically
> switch back to diesel on low fuel temp)
>
> This temperature is probably more like 100C, while much lower temps are
> usually used...
>
> Tyler
>
> dave walton wrote:
>>
>> Interesting how people with no direct experience on a subject are so
>> willing to give advice.
>>
>> It's not surprising that people with no knowledge of how to maintain a
>> diesel experience failures - regardless of the fuel they use. Starting
>> out with a 20+ year old car that no one else wanted to buy does not
>> help.
>>
>> I pulled the head on my S350 20K after running on 100% WVO. It looked
>> fine inside. That was 50K ago. 70K+ and counting...
>>
>> -Dave Walton
>
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Re: [MBZ] Car runs excellent and on 90 percent Vegetable Oil with10 percent Diesel.

[Tom Hargrave]

But it won't run long. Quite a few local diesels have already been killed
with WVO.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 5:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car runs excellent and on 90 percent Vegetable Oil with10
percent Diesel.

Probably nearer 48.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 5:29 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Car runs excellent and on 90 percent Vegetable Oil with 10 
percent Diesel.


> http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1149290619.html
>
> No conversion needed to run the Vegetable Oil.  [and probably gets 40mpg 
> on it too]
>
> --R
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[MBZ] Another Chrysler Update

[Tom Hargrave]

Dear Employees, 

In my e-mail to you yesterday, I discussed our global strategic alliance
with Fiat and our Chapter 11 filing. I am pleased to report that we made
progress in our first hearing today in U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the
Southern District of New York, receiving approval for a number of
"first-day" motions relating to the day-to-day running of our business. We
are off to a good start.   

Specifically, we received interim court approval on our request to continue
payment of wages, and health and welfare benefits to employees and
contractors and continue our customer warranty programs.   

Today, we also reported April U.S. total sales of 76,682 units, which was a
48 percent decrease versus 2008 but includes a 66 percent reduction in fleet
sales as we continue to emphasize retail over fleet. Our retail sales
tracked with the industry, which represents a solid performance considering
the recent headlines. Highlights included a 7 percent increase in Jeep®
Wrangler sales year-over-year, an 11 percent jump in Dodge Challenger sales
compared to March, and a 6 percent increase in Chrysler Town & Country
retail sales compared to last month. 

As always, we will continue to keep you and all our stakeholders informed of
significant developments as we move ahead. To that end, The Scoop employee
Web site now has a special Chrysler Restructuring page for all news and
information related to the April 30 announcements. It features a variety of
materials including Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), the latest press
releases and executive communications. The materials will be updated
regularly to address any ongoing questions. Throughout our restructuring
process, and especially during the upcoming plant shutdown period, employees
are encouraged to check the following sources for the latest information: 

HYPERLINK "http://scoop.chrysler.com"scoop.chrysler.com, HYPERLINK
"http://www.chryslerrestructuring.com"www.chryslerrestructuring.com, or the
toll-free hotline (877) 271-1568 (United States and Canada) or (503)
597-7708 (international). 
  
This has been a challenging period for all involved, but we have established
a clear path to the creation of a vibrant new company with significant
strategic advantages, laying the foundation for long-term success.   

Thank you for your continued support. 

Bob  

 

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty AWOL?

[Tom Hargrave]

I own an on-line business and I get over 300 legitimate emails a day. I'm
sure that Rusty gets more - just call him.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:03 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty AWOL?

Because its polite thats why. He probably gets a couple hundred emails a
day. If you want proper service treat him like a human being, pick up the
phone and ask whats up.
Email is a way for people to snivel without having to fess up to it...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:28:10 -0700
From: David Bruckmann 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty AWOL?
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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I don't see why I should have to be making phone calls to chase a vendor who
owes me $200 of stuff.


  
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[MBZ] More from Chrysler

[Tom Hargrave]

 court, seeking relief
to honor obligations to pay employees, suppliers and dealers as an essential
component of preserving the value of our business in the time period pending
the sale. We expect to receive approval for these motions within the next
few days, and we will provide you with regular updates. 
During the restructuring process, the government will provide sufficient
debtor-in-possession (DIP) financing to allow continuation of “business as
usual.”  The company will seamlessly honor warranty claims, pay suppliers
and keep our dealer body operating to continue to serve our valued
customers. 

Throughout this time, Chrysler and our dealers will continue to sell and
service all vehicles and honor warranties. We will continue to supply parts
to our dealers to ensure that vehicles can be serviced without delay. We are
committed to serving our customers throughout this process and to producing
quality vehicles over the long term under the Jeep®, Dodge, and Chrysler
brands, as well as parts under the Mopar® brand.  As part of the
restructuring and with the backing of the U.S. Treasury, we have reached an
agreement in principle with GMAC to become the preferred lender for Chrysler
dealer and consumer business. This is very good news as GMAC will be able to
offer the best long-term finance options for Chrysler dealers and customers
with standard rate installment products. 

As a part of the restructuring, most manufacturing operations will be
temporarily idled effective Monday, May 4, 2009.  Normal production
schedules will resume when the transaction is completed, which is
anticipated within the next 30 to 60 days. Hourly employees will receive
unemployment benefits, as well as supplemental pay that will amount to most
of their base wages. 

Keep in mind that during the period when facilities are idled, all
company-sponsored healthcare and other insurance coverage will continue. All
qualified employee pension and 401(k) funds are protected by federal law
from Chrysler’s creditors; these funds cannot be used by the company to meet
any other obligations. Upon approval of the transaction, the new company is
expected to continue relationships with most employees, dealers and
suppliers. 

There is no question that this process involves deep sacrifices from many
Chrysler stakeholders, including the UAW and CAW, employees, dealers and
suppliers. We also want to recognize the Administration, U.S. Treasury, The
President’s Auto Task Force, as well as Members of Congress and
representatives at the state and community level and Canadian Federal and
Ontario Provincial governments for their energy and efforts in helping to
move our company forward. With the strong support of the Cerberus and
Daimler, these stakeholders came together to make concessions that today
give us a clear view of a promising future. To be sure, there will be many
changes as we move forward to implement our plans.  But today, from many
great parts, we begin to build a vibrant new company with less debt, a
stronger balance sheet, richer product portfolio, supported by a
well-positioned finance company. 

We understand that you will have many questions throughout this transition
process. Further information will be available on a continuing basis at
scoop.chrysler.com, www.chryslerrestructuring.com, or by calling our
toll-free restructuring information line at 1-877-271-1568 (United States
and Canada) or 1-503-597-7708 (International). These sources will be updated
regularly to address your ongoing questions. 

We are profoundly grateful for the support of the thousands of people across
the United States and worldwide who have contributed to our effort to
restructure for long-term viability.  We take enormous pride in the
contributions we have made to our industry, are honored by the trust our
customers have placed with us for more than 80 years and look forward to
continuing to serve them for many years to come. 

Again, I thank you for your years of service and commitment to Chrysler LLC
and look forward to working with you through the restructuring to build a
stronger new company for the twenty-first century. 

Bob  

 

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[MBZ] More News from Chrysler

[Tom Hargrave]

Dear Employees, 

Today is the day that we expect the U.S. government to announce whether
Chrysler has satisfied requirements to go ahead with our proposed global
alliance with Fiat and qualify for additional federal loans. Following the
Administration’s announcement, we will communicate to you further details on
what the decision means for us. 

Yesterday, UAW members voted to ratify a new labor agreement that will
substantially improve Chrysler’s competitive position. We appreciate the
sacrifices made by represented employees to aid our restructuring effort.
This was the latest example of how so many of our constituents – employees,
dealers, suppliers, lenders, Daimler and Cerberus have stepped up during
this critical period to help ensure our viability. 

With the guidance of the U.S. Treasury, we also continue to work with our
lenders to establish a level of debt that would be serviceable under the
proposed Fiat alliance.  The agreement of all lenders continues to be a
critical factor in our ability to meet government requirements and as such,
remains our focus in the successful completion of our restructuring efforts.


On March 30, the U.S. Treasury announced that all Chrysler constituents
would need to make significant concessions and that our company needed to
conclude a strategic alliance with Fiat as a requirement of our government
loans. In an extraordinary month of the Chrysler family pulling together –
and with the assistance of the U.S. government as well as the Canadian
federal and Ontario provincial governments – we have made great strides
toward an alliance with Fiat. If successfully completed, this alliance will
help sustain our business and will help bring exciting new products to our
showrooms, supporting our mission to deliver the cars and trucks customers
want to buy, will enjoy driving and will want to buy again. 

Thank you again for your tireless efforts during this extraordinary time,
and your dedication to ensuring Chrysler’s future success. 

Bob

 

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

[Tom Hargrave]

Oh, that guy, the one who stated today that he wants to build a stronger
auto industry.

What's he going to do next, make stronger toilet paper? Personally fly to
the moon? Solve the immigration problem with a stroke of a pen?

What business does the President and Commander in Chief have meddling with
the auto industry?

I better be careful lest I get chastised for being too political on this
list.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

The Prez, BO, the bamster

At 07:37 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote:
>And who is BO - is it Big Oil? They are nowhere in the numbers.
>
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>
>-Original Message-
>From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
>On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
>Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:11 PM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler
>
>You got it!  that is how BO works.  BO wants to run everything,
>confiscate all he can get away with and tell you he did it for your
>good.  Ever hear of Lenin?
>
>At 04:32 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote:
> >On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:26 -0500, "Tom Hargrave" 
>wrote:
> >
> > > UAW will have 55%, FIAT will start with less than 20% but will
> > > eventually hold 35%, The lien holders have agreed to walk away from
> > > 6.9B in debt with 2B in cash in hand, The Government will hold a stake
> > > (probably 10%)
> >
> >OK so:
> >
> >55% UAW
> >35% FIAT
> >10% Big Brother
> >   
> >   100%
> >
> >So what happens to the current shareholders?  Their shares just
> >"evaporate" ?
> >
> >
> >Allan
> >
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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

[Tom Hargrave]

And who is BO - is it Big Oil? They are nowhere in the numbers.

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Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

You got it!  that is how BO works.  BO wants to run everything, 
confiscate all he can get away with and tell you he did it for your 
good.  Ever hear of Lenin?

At 04:32 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:26 -0500, "Tom Hargrave" 
wrote:
>
> > UAW will have 55%, FIAT will start with less than 20% but will
> > eventually hold 35%, The lien holders have agreed to walk away from
> > 6.9B in debt with 2B in cash in hand, The Government will hold a stake
> > (probably 10%)
>
>OK so:
>
>55% UAW
>35% FIAT
>10% Big Brother
>   
>   100%
>
>So what happens to the current shareholders?  Their shares just
>"evaporate" ?
>
>
>Allan
>
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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

[Tom Hargrave]

What current shareholders? Chrysler is a private company.

And the split is:

   55% UAW
   20% FIAT
   17% Cebrus
   10% Big Brother
  
  100%

Assuming FIAT gets 20% up front. I'm told that they will get less because
Big Brother does not want them to have controlling interest until Big
Brother is out of the picture.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:32 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:26 -0500, "Tom Hargrave"  wrote:

> UAW will have 55%, FIAT will start with less than 20% but will
> eventually hold 35%, The lien holders have agreed to walk away from
> 6.9B in debt with 2B in cash in hand, The Government will hold a stake
> (probably 10%)

OK so:

   55% UAW
   35% FIAT
   10% Big Brother
  
  100%

So what happens to the current shareholders?  Their shares just
"evaporate" ?


Allan

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

[Tom Hargrave]

UAW will have 55%, FIAT will start with less than 20% but will eventually
hold 35%, The lien holders have agreed to walk away from 6.9B in debt with
2B in cash in hand, The Government will hold a stake (probably 10%) and the
rest will be Cebrus. Daimler has already surrendered their 19.9% to Cebrus &
agreed to pay 600M to the pension fund over the next few years.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:27 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

What I heard was that the UAW will have a 55% stake, Fiat 35%, and the
Government 10%.  What happens to all the current shareholders I don't know.



On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:09 -0400, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
> Bloomberg reports that according to people with direct knowledge of the 
> situation, President Obama aims to announce a Chrysler bankruptcy
> tomorrow and 
> say a Chrysler-Fiat alliance would be created in bankruptcy.
> :theflyonthewall.com
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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

[Tom Hargrave]

OK, so let's get this straight.

Big Brother (the Government) gave Chrysler a deadline of the 30th to
announce a acceptable merger with FIAT.

And according to my direct insider information, Chrysler will make that
deadline.

But you are telling me that the President of Big Brother (the Government)
will tell Chrysler that they must file bankruptcy anyway???

I don't think so.

If it really happens this way then we live in scary times. Back in my
younger days, the only Governments in the world with this much power over
individuals and corporations were the USSR and China and they were the bad
guys!

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:10 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

Bloomberg reports that according to people with direct knowledge of the 
situation, President Obama aims to announce a Chrysler bankruptcy tomorrow
and 
say a Chrysler-Fiat alliance would be created in bankruptcy.
:theflyonthewall.com

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[MBZ] More News from Chrysler

[Tom Hargrave]

Dear Employees, 

In keeping with our commitment to ongoing communications during this
critical time for our company, I am pleased to announce a resolution of
Daimler’s remaining 19.9 percent share of Chrysler Holding LLC. 

*   Chrysler, Daimler AG and the U.S. Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp.
(PBGC) have signed an agreement under which Daimler’s remaining percent
share of Chrysler will be redeemed, and Daimler will forgive repayment of
previous loans extended to Chrysler 
*   This agreement facilitates our proposed alliance with Fiat and
represents another step on our road to meeting U.S. government requirements
by the April 30 deadline 
*   Daimler will pay $600 million into Chrysler’s pension plans over the
next three years with the first $200 million payment being made on the date
of the execution of definitive agreements, as well as $200 million in each
of 2010 and 2011. These payments will help secure future pension payments to
retirees


We continue to remain focused on completing these and all other transactions
needed to qualify for ongoing financial support from both the U.S. and
Canadian governments. As always, we are committed to preserving Chrysler and
the jobs associated with its future success. 

Please be assured that we will continue to communicate new information as it
happens during this important week for our company. In the meantime, thank
you again for your continued support and dedication during these stressful
times. 

Bob  

 

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Re: [MBZ] @#$%& 560 SEL water pump

[Tom Hargrave]

I think you just need to give up and send the 560 SEL to me in North Alabama
where it can enjoy a nice quiet retirement in the sun. I promise to take the
car out to see the gulf & to the Smokey Mountains at least once a year.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of OK Don
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:57 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] @#$%& 560 SEL water pump

Open end wrench, ground thin enough to fit if need be, bent such that you
can turn it one flat at a time 

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Jim Cathey wrote:
>
>> Anybody got any suggestions?
>>
>
> Factory socket?
> Right angle die grinder? (for the access opening in the balancer)
> Mitch.
>
>
> --
> OK Don
> Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos
> KD5NRO
> "The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy" Baron
> Manfred von Richthofen
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Re: [MBZ] Retirement

[Tom Hargrave]

Corporate America left me a little over 8 years ago. Now I'm a consultant
and I own an on-line kegging supply business.

Oh, and one of my clients is the very same company that canned me 8 years
ago. I work there 3 days / week for 30% more pay per (40 hour) week than I
made as an Employee. They are begging for a 4th day and I remind them that I
originally signed up for only 2 days / week.

Sometimes it sucks being laid off, or so some people tell me..

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Angelo Giaimo
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:25 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Retirement

 Rob,

They let me go in January with 90 days to find another position. If not I
got a GENEROUS separation package, retraining $$$, etc, etc, that I'd be
stupid not to take.  Very fortunate I got my full retirement and medical.
Had not planned to retire yet (due to the economy and job market) , but oh
well, crap happens.  We'll deal with it.  Wife is still working, and that
helps allot.  Golf starts 5/1, and the honey-do list is growing 

Obligatory MBZ content: I'll have more time to fix all my oil leaks on my
350SDL rodbender (274K miles...and still ticking)

I'm curious to see how this formatting works out as I'm using gmail now, not
the Notes account from Big Blue


> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:36:27 -0700
> From: Bob Rentfro 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Retirement
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Good for you.
> Everyone I work with, who is nearing retirement, seems to have their date
> moving out a little further due to the wretched economy.
>
> Bob R
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:31 PM, ANGELO GIAIMO  wrote:
>
> > Everyone,
> >
> > As of today, I will be retiring from IBM after 30 plus years of service
> and
> > will be seeking out new ventures.. I will miss the work, but, more
> > importantly, I will miss the people and friends I have accumulated over
> the
> > years.
> >
> > Please feel free to contact me anytime, if you wish (work-related, golf
> > schedule, or you just want to chat).
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Angelo Giaimo
> >
> > NEW EMAIL
> > michaelangel...@gmail.com
> >
> > HOME ADDRESS:
> > 63 Hamlet Court
> > Wappinger Falls, NY 12590
> >
> > PHONE:
> > 845-298-9335 (H)
> > 845-729-0607 (C)
> >
> > Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS
> > Internet: gia...@us.ibm.com
> > (845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532);
> > 2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533
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[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices

[Tom Hargrave]

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Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:50 PM
To: weekdfpr...@tonto.eia.doe.gov
Subject: Today's Diesel Prices

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   On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD
(Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes)

Diesel Prices Web URL:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp

   Average All Types

US
NATL   EASTNEWCENTLOWER   GULF   ROCKY   WEST
 DATE   AVGCOAST ENGLAND   ATL ATL   MIDWEST  COAST   MTN   COAST
CA

   PADD   PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD   PADDPADD
 I IA  IB  IC  II III IV  V
--  -  - ---  -   -  ---  -  -  -
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090427  2.201  2.241  2.395   2.374   2.171   2.142   2.171  2.270  2.315
2.320
090420  2.221  2.264  2.403   2.392   2.197   2.166   2.186  2.274  2.327
2.340
090413  2.229  2.273  2.420   2.402   2.204   2.175   2.202  2.250  2.336
2.350
090406  2.228  2.279  2.429   2.419   2.205   2.178   2.210  2.213  2.311
2.335
090330  2.221  2.281  2.424   2.399   2.218   2.176   2.203  2.146  2.282
2.297
090323  2.090  2.166  2.403   2.315   2.081   2.038   2.060  2.036  2.150
2.129
090316  2.017  2.093  2.403   2.254   1.995   1.965   1.973  1.988  2.091
2.049
090309  2.045  2.122  2.434   2.287   2.022   1.988   2.006  2.017  2.120
2.075
090302  2.087  2.153  2.472   2.314   2.055   2.030   2.043  2.091  2.185
2.144
090223  2.130  2.199  2.514   2.368   2.098   2.071   2.074  2.158  2.238
2.219
090216  2.186  2.250  2.559   2.420   2.148   2.137   2.133  2.183  2.284
2.262
090209  2.219  2.296  2.576   2.450   2.205   2.173   2.156  2.211  2.292
2.269
090202  2.246  2.325  2.583   2.484   2.233   2.201   2.189  2.229  2.303
2.288
090126  2.268  2.344  2.595   2.490   2.258   2.232   2.202  2.243  2.319
2.296
090119  2.296  2.377  2.613   2.514   2.297   2.264   2.227  2.249  2.338
2.319
090112  2.314  2.395  2.621   2.516   2.322   2.289   2.244  2.235  2.353
2.334
090105  2.291  2.380  2.596   2.496   2.310   2.272   2.228  2.215  2.275
2.239
081229  2.327  2.423  2.638   2.536   2.355   2.314   2.264  2.250  2.273
2.241
081222  2.366  2.469  2.689   2.566   2.406   2.359   2.306  2.272  2.274
2.251
081215  2.422  2.534  2.740   2.642   2.469   2.406   2.378  2.350  2.303
2.292
081208  2.515  2.632  2.849   2.742   2.564   2.491   2.465  2.447  2.421
2.402
081201  2.615  2.735  2.954   2.875   2.655   2.578   2.556  2.577  2.553
2.538
081124  2.664  2.788  2.997   2.925   2.710   2.624   2.598  2.644  2.608
2.605
081117  2.809  2.924  3.148   3.072   2.840   2.764   2.745  2.822  2.768
2.754
081110  2.944  3.060  3.266   3.203   2.980   2.888   2.895  2.964  2.910
2.913
081103  3.088  3.219  3.420   3.369   3.137   3.018   3.033  3.157  3.052
3.057
081027  3.288  3.397  3.573   3.509   3.333   3.244   3.219  3.375  3.233
3.286
081020  3.482  3.553  3.729   3.633   3.503   3.447   3.453  3.555  3.433
3.460
081013  3.659  3.709  3.892   3.794   3.655   3.641   3.631  3.697  3.622
3.656
081006  3.875  3.928  4.036   3.978   3.896   3.858   3.843  3.886  3.847
3.869
080929  3.959  4.020  4.077   4.073   3.992   3.936   3.929  3.944  3.941
3.963
080922  3.958  4.021  4.110   4.081   3.987   3.931   3.924  3.964  3.943
3.951
080915  4.023  4.082  4.246   4.166   4.031   3.973   4.011  4.041  4.056
4.053
080908  4.059  4.100  4.312   4.246   4.018   4.015   4.015  4.105  4.156
4.185
080901  4.121  4.169  4.359   4.307   4.093   4.066   4.068  4.184  4.248
4.282
080825  4.145  4.199  4.382   4.360   4.113   4.073   4.098  4.227  4.286
4.359
080818  4.207  4.263  4.422   4.414   4.184   4.130   4.156  4.319  4.356
4.422
080811  4.353  4.420  4.584   4.563   4.344   4.267   4.299  4.473  4.511
4.607
080804  4.502  4.563  4.735   4.672   4.501   4.419   4.450  4.605  4.664
4.781
080728  4.603  4.664  4.806   4.772   4.604   4.518   4.570  4.657  4.766
4.869
080721  4.718  4.773  4.869   4.869   4.723   4.649   4.701  4.714  4.845

[MBZ] More news from Chrysler

[Tom Hargrave]

Dear Employees, 

As speculation and media attention during this challenging time for Chrysler
increases, we understand that frequent communications is critical to help
maintain a clear understanding of the facts of our situation. As we work
diligently to finalize our alliance with Fiat and restructure our business
by the government’s April 30 deadline, I want to provide you a daily update
on our progress, to the maximum extent possible. 

Here is a summary of recent developments: 

We are pleased that we have reached a new labor agreement with the
CAW.  Over the weekend, the agreement was ratified by 87% of CAW workers,
and we would like to thank our employees for their support. 

The CAW agreement was a critical condition for the governments of
Canada and the Province of Ontario to certify our restructuring plan and
provide an additional loan to Chrysler. We expect to meet all requirements
to qualify for this assistance. 

We are also pleased that we have reached a tentative agreement with
the leadership of the UAW. This provisional agreement provides the framework
needed to ensure manufacturing competitiveness and helps to meet the
guidelines set forth by the U. S. Treasury Department.   

The details will be released following the completion of the UAW
ratification process. 

Daimler AG has previously announced its intention to divest its
ownership share in Chrysler.  Cerberus Capital Management and Daimler are
working through this process, and we are confident that this will be
resolved.   

Let me assure you that your entire leadership team is totally focused on
completing the necessary transactions and qualifying for the appropriate
financial support of the U.S. and Canadian governments.  We are pleased with
the progress made with both the CAW and the UAW, and as we work with the
other constituents, we will continue to keep you updated.   

We appreciate your continued dedication and the support you’ve shown during
these demanding times.  The emails of encouragement that you have sent us
are especially appreciated. Know that as we begin this very important week,
our number one priority is to preserve Chrysler and the livelihood of the
thousands of people who depend on its success. 

Thank you for all you have done and continue to do as we work together to
revitalize this great company and set it on a successful path. 

Bob  

 

 

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Re: [MBZ] Marshall Posts

[Tom Hargrave]

Correction, Marshall Posts.

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Subject: [MBZ] Marcshall Posts

The complete list of Marshall posts can be found at:

 

HYPERLINK "http://www.kegkits.com/Marshall/"http://www.kegkits.com/Marshall/

 

Compliments of Philip.

 

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[MBZ] Marcshall Posts

[Tom Hargrave]

The complete list of Marshall posts can be found at:

 

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Compliments of Philip.

 

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Re: [MBZ] Miss Marshall

[Tom Hargrave]

I'm uploading the uncompressed files to my web server now. When done,
everyone can find all of Marshall's posts at:

www/kegkits.com/Marshall

Free access to anyone who needs them!!!

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Fmiser
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:54 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Miss Marshall

> Tom Hargrave wrote:

> I think most of us who have been on the list for a while miss
> Marshall, and for those newbie's who did not have the
> privilege to meet him in person or on-line, you missed a lot.
> 
> Thanks, Clay, for the reminder.

I still have a large quantity of the post he made to this list
in a zip file. Get it for yourself at
http://host-a.net/fmiser/

If you have a web server, put the un-zipped directory in place
it can reach - or just use a web browser on the files.

I think Kaleb has - or was planning to - host it...

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta 1.8 Turbo

[Tom Hargrave]

Probably a 2.2 liter. Ant it jumped time by 1 - 2 teeth. 

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On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta 1.8 Turbo

Hmm, makes me wonder what engine was in the K-car station wagon my friend's
parents had when we were kids. That tossed the timing belt right at 50,000
miles when my friend had just learned to drive. Strangely it would still run
but couldn't move. His dad of course figured he'd done something crazy but
it was nothing crazier than backing out of the grarage.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:07:00 -0500
From: "Tom Hargrave" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta 1.8 Turbo
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Message-ID: <02d901c9c6c3$b462b560$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9>
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All of the neon engines had timing belts and assuming you had no oil leaks
that would degrade the belt material, they would easily go 150K or more on
the original belt.

Chrysler has had their act together on timing belt technology for a long
time - even the 80's model 2.2 liter engines would go 150K+ on the original
timing belt. If done right, timing belts are better than chains.

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Re: [MBZ] w201 on Mythbusters

[Tom Hargrave]

In that case, they hit the steel frame. Some times those Mythbusters aren't
so smart..

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On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] w201 on Mythbusters

They didnt do there "busting" that way, they just put it straight into 
the side, which of course would not have worked.  They needed to have 
ramped it up to get the real test of the myth.

Curt Raymond wrote:
> I suspect a tow behind trailer from the '70s is quite like today, AFAIK
they're all a wooden framed structure on a metal base. Theres a guy not far
from me who was, when metals prices were very high, taking old camper
trailers for free disposal, stripping the aluminum siding for scrap, burning
the wood structure in his outside boiler, repainting the base, decking it
and selling them for what looked to be pretty good utility trailers.
> 
> In the Mad Max clip you can clearly see the car coming down off the
trailer's floor, I'd guess for the "Hollywood Magic" (Sydney magic?) they'd
put a ramp on the far side of the trailer so the car jumped up into the
trailer, shot through, and landed on the near side.
> 
> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Rusty's Site Errors?

[Tom Hargrave]

Go beat up Gary, it's his baby..

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On Behalf Of Greg Fiorentino
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:37 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: [MBZ] Rusty's Site Errors?

I need some parts to rebuild the vacuum pump on my son's 240D.  But when I
logged into buymbparts and selected the parts today, all I get is:

<>

I get this same message for a lot of other parts I'm pretty sure he has in
stock also.  Is this just me??

Does anyone know what's up with this??

Greg Fiorentino
'85 300SD
'80 240D 4 spd. manual
'79 300DT (with new crate engine)
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Re: [MBZ] torque for valve cover, OM617?

[Tom Hargrave]

The other thing to consider is the wear pattern of any machine part is set
when that part is relatively new. This is why the break-in period is so
critical. Also, you don't know what was run for the first 100,000 miles of
your engine's life. They may have run Mobil 1, Wally World recycled oil, or
more likely - something in between.

This is a classic mistake that I see over & over again on this list. I see
owners claiming that Mobil 1 is the reason their engine has run as long as
it has because it's all that he or she put in the car for the last 50K -
100K of the engine's 200K - 400K life.

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On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] torque for valve cover, OM617?

"Tom Hargrave"  writes:

> Some Mercedes engines show wear by 100K miles while others show none
> at 200K or 300K miles. I have no proof but I believe that the vendor
> that Mercedes bought the timing chain material from has more to do
> with chain wear than anything else.

I recall Marshall saying that using Mobil-1 oil reduced chain wear to
insignificant levels.  I've been using Mobil-1 since I owned the car,
but that's been for less than half the miles it has accumulated.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] torque for valve cover, OM617?

[Tom Hargrave]

Mobil-1 is one of the few points where I partially disagreed with Marshall.

I agree that Mobil 1 is a superior oil, that it works well across a much
broader temperature range, that it holds its viscosity better, that it does
not sludge like Dino oils do in some engines. All of this means that you can
extend oil changes with Mobil 1 2X or longer when compared to Dino oil.

But I do not believe that Mobil 1 provides superior lubrication.

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On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] torque for valve cover, OM617?

"Tom Hargrave"  writes:

> Some Mercedes engines show wear by 100K miles while others show none
> at 200K or 300K miles. I have no proof but I believe that the vendor
> that Mercedes bought the timing chain material from has more to do
> with chain wear than anything else.

I recall Marshall saying that using Mobil-1 oil reduced chain wear to
insignificant levels.  I've been using Mobil-1 since I owned the car,
but that's been for less than half the miles it has accumulated.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] torque for valve cover, OM617?

[Tom Hargrave]

Yep, you have no chain stretch. And it's actually not "chain stretch", its
chain wear. What happens is the pivots wear over time and the chain
gradually gets longer & longer. The slack gets taken up by the chain
tensioner.

Stretch a new chain on the garage floor then try & compress it end to end
and it will give very little. Do the same thing with a worn out chain and
you will be surprised at the length difference between compressed and
stretched.

Some Mercedes engines show wear by 100K miles while others show none at 200K
or 300K miles. I have no proof but I believe that the vendor that Mercedes
bought the timing chain material from has more to do with chain wear than
anything else.

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On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] torque for valve cover, OM617?

By the way, when I had the valve cover off I had the crank at 0 degrees
and the mark on the cam was dead center on its TDC mark -- is that the
indicator that I don't have any significant "chain stretch" yet?

The engine is coming up on 200K miles.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta 1.8 Turbo

[Tom Hargrave]

All of the neon engines had timing belts and assuming you had no oil leaks
that would degrade the belt material, they would easily go 150K or more on
the original belt.

Chrysler has had their act together on timing belt technology for a long
time - even the 80's model 2.2 liter engines would go 150K+ on the original
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On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:58 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta 1.8 Turbo

Curt Raymond wrote:
> His previous car (as far as I know the only other car he's owned), a Neon,
went 150,000 with no issue but I don't know if that had a timing belt at
all. Any ideas on that?


AFAIK, Neons all had the 2.0L Neon engine in them (along with a few of the
cloud 
cars, Stratus etc). There were SOHC and DOHC versions IIRC. I just checked
1998 
Neons, and both available engines had timing belts that year.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] w201 on Mythbusters

[Tom Hargrave]

My brother in-law stripped one then he decided that the $$$ made from the
aluminum & steel was not worth the trouble. The frame under the one he
stripped was minimal and would not make a good utility trailer.

He tried selling the used sink, heater, stove, roof top AC and fridge and
could not find any buyers.

He still has an old motor home behind the house with a Chrysler 440 engine
and a Studebaker generator.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 4:52 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] w201 on Mythbusters

I suspect a tow behind trailer from the '70s is quite like today, AFAIK
they're all a wooden framed structure on a metal base. Theres a guy not far
from me who was, when metals prices were very high, taking old camper
trailers for free disposal, stripping the aluminum siding for scrap, burning
the wood structure in his outside boiler, repainting the base, decking it
and selling them for what looked to be pretty good utility trailers.

In the Mad Max clip you can clearly see the car coming down off the
trailer's floor, I'd guess for the "Hollywood Magic" (Sydney magic?) they'd
put a ramp on the far side of the trailer so the car jumped up into the
trailer, shot through, and landed on the near side.

-Curt


Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:55:06 -0400
From: Mitch Haley 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] w201 on Mythbusters
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Did they use a trailer that would have been suitably old looking around
1980ish 
when Mad Max was filmed?
Construction may have become stronger since then.

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Re: [MBZ] w201 on Mythbusters

[Tom Hargrave]

Yep, they only stay together when gong down the road because they are a
rectangular box.

Compare a shoe box to a flat piece of thin cardboard - the flat cardboard is
flimsy while the rectangular shoebox is fairly rigid.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 4:53 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] w201 on Mythbusters

Not so long ago I saw a show that followed the construction of one and thats
exactly what they showed. I don't remember if it was "How Its Made" or "Made
in America" or what but it was one of those.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:24:57 -0500
From: "Tom Hargrave" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] w201 on Mythbusters
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Message-ID: <02cc01c9c6a4$afd61970$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9>
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I agree, they used to be 1" X 1" & 1" X 0.5" skeletons covered by an
aluminum skin.

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Re: [MBZ] torque for valve cover, OM617?

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There is no torque value - you tighten hand tight. If the gasket leaks when
hand tight then it has hardened with age and you need to order another one
from Rusty.

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Subject: [MBZ] torque for valve cover, OM617?

Is there a specified tightening torque for the valve cover nuts?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] w201 on Mythbusters

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I agree, they used to be 1" X 1" & 1" X 0.5" skeletons covered by an
aluminum skin.

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On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] w201 on Mythbusters

Did they use a trailer that would have been suitably old looking around
1980ish 
when Mad Max was filmed?
Construction may have become stronger since then.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Miss Marshall

[Tom Hargrave]

Clay,

I think most of us who have been on the list for a while miss Marshall, and
for those newbie's who did not have the privilege to meet him in person or
on-line, you missed a lot.

Thanks, Clay, for the reminder.

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On Behalf Of Redghost
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 12:46 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] Miss Marshall

Reading all the bits and such about your cars and what makes them not  
be running this week.  Got to thinking about posting how I dealt with  
such and thus in Gump.  To which Marshall would immediately respond  
that there is no such procedure to be done in a Mercedes diesel, and  
that it should be done in this other way, which is far more proper and  
being correct for just these bulleted reasons.  And then the caveat  
that it applies to all cars but the ones like Gump.

Three cheers for Marshall Booth, may he bask in the glory of all  
things Benz and diesel.

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[MBZ] Was another engine swap car, now could this be a collector?

[Tom Hargrave]

Experience tells me that you will never know what will be collectable in the
future.

Look at a car designed and marketed to the young, upcoming women "on the
go". And to make matters worse, the car was built on an outdated chasses in
1964, with body flex and steering geometry the made handling lame at best.

But the car sold by the thousands because it happened to be the "sporty" car
that everyone wanted at a non-sports car price, while the exact same chassis
with different shaped sheet metal & trim, the Maverick, languished.

Then along comes Carol Shelby - who made the Mustang into the Mustang Cobra.
Even he stated that handling sucked, but he could deal with it since he was
only making left hand turns. The facts that the Mustang appealed to the
younger crowd, it was cheap and a well known racing figure managed to make
the car go fast enough to win races set history in motion.

Now I wonder if some of the tuner cars developed by street racers in their
early 20s to mid 30's over the last decade or so will become collectable. We
do tend to collect items that are tied to our fondest memories and
everything is set in place to make this happen.

BTW, my first Mustang - a 1966 model with 6 cylinder engine and C4 automatic
transmission - cost me $500.00 and there was absolutely nothing wrong with
the car. I bought it from my Dad in 1977, who bought it for my Mother in
1973 for the same $500.00. Te car would be worth about $8,000 today.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of relng...@aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:48 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Another engine swap car

This thing will NEVER be a classic or collector car so rest easy.

http://blog.webridestv.com/2009/04/22/24-hours-of-lemons-metro-gnome-on-the-
loose/

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Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?

[Tom Hargrave]

I forgot to mention - if you want better read & write speed, go with RAID 1
with 10K RPM drives. You will get 33% better read and write speed. Add
another drive to for a three drive RAID 1 and you'll gain another 25%. A 4th
drive will add about 20% better performance.

RAID 10 is the best of both worlds. I'm running a six drive RAID 10 at a
local Dominos franchise. I partitioned a 80 GIG boot drive on the RAID and
formatting took 45 seconds!

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:52 PM
To: 'Curt Raymond'; 'Diesel List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?

RAID 6 is a more secure RAID 5. RAID 6 calculates and writes double the
checksum blocks that RAID 5 writes.

Both RAID 5 and 6 suffer a performance penalty. This is why RAID 5 and 6
controllers have cache, to make up for some of the performance hit. Even
with the buffer, many RAID 5 and 6 arrays perform worse than the single
drives they are made of.

I suggest building a good RAID 0 from two 10K RPM drives and a good
controller. Write speed will be the same but you will have a 33 percent
read speed improvement.

Thanks, Tom
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-Original Message-
From: "Curt Raymond" 
To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: 4/22/09 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?

Wow, thats a great reply thanks, though those cards are probably way
more serious than I need. The computer they'd go into is an old HP
xw8000 I salvaged from work. I don't care for anything other than RAID 0
for my use, all my material will be from timecode source so if it goes
away I just redigitize...

When you say 1 Gig per minute, you're meaning 16.6MB/s? (or 17 I guess
if your GB is 1024MB). Thats not really fast enough for what I want
you're using these in a server sort of environment?

Video is really a world unto itself. I'd want to do 2 streams of
uncompressed SD at least, 3 would be better so I'll need 50-75MB/s
sustained throughput, 4 SATA drives should be able to handle that pretty
easily. My 4 SCSI drives will do 6.

I don't need huge storage at home 2TB would be plenty. If I get a really
big project I could use a system at work. The big system in my classroom
is 32TB and capable of 400MB/s. It scales all the way up to 384TB which
would be 4800MB/s total bandwidth. With a 10Gb connection we've clocked
clients at 500MB/s... Its pretty amazing.

You're right about USB 2, it sucks for data transfer, firewire 400 is
faster. USB 2 is bus adjudicated too so if you've got a USB 2 printer
it'll suck up half the bandwidth, got a USB 2 scanner? Then each device
gets 1/3 the bandwidth if its doing something or not... Cruel joke that
USB 2.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:06:25 -0400
From: dave walton 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I've been using 3Ware. It works okay. Use the 9500S for PCI-X and the
9650SE for PCI-E. The main drawback to 3Ware is that they don't
support VMWare ESX. They have a driver, but it sucks. If you want to
run that you need to use Adaptec-SAS or Areca. But then you run into
problems with the 2Tb limit of VMWare.  I tried the Adaptec 3805.
Works okay but does not have a 2Tb carving function so you have to run
multiple small arrays under ESX. I've not tried Areca but have heard
good things about them.

I've had nothing but problems with Promise and Highpoint controllers,
but that was a few years ago by now. Maybe they improved. I suspect
not.

For partitions > 2Tb you need to use Guid not MBR volumes. That means
you can't boot off the large partition unless you are running an Intel
Itanium based system with it's special version of Windows. 3Ware 9650
has a feature to create a smaller boot partition from a large array
that looks like it's own drive to Windows. That saves you from
dedicating drives just to boot from.
Also - beware of running very large Dynamic volumes under Vista. It
does not like them. You need to use Windows 2003 or 2008 for that. I
was trying to configure a 10Tb volume and it became corrupted when
rebooting under Vista. I switched to Server 2008 and the problems went
away. My largest array is 16 - 1.5Tb SATA drives that gives just under
19TB usable using Raid-6. I use that for organizing backups before I
archive them. I get 3-5 Gig per minute throughput if I turn on write
caching. I'm lucky to get 1Gpm with caching off.

I got the Adaptec 3805 (8-port) for  $300 on eBay with the battery
backup module. I've seen the 3Ware 9650SE 16 port go for < $500.

You definitely need the BBU. I've already lost one array when a
ma

Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?

[Tom Hargrave]

RAID 6 is a more secure RAID 5. RAID 6 calculates and writes double the
checksum blocks that RAID 5 writes.

Both RAID 5 and 6 suffer a performance penalty. This is why RAID 5 and 6
controllers have cache, to make up for some of the performance hit. Even
with the buffer, many RAID 5 and 6 arrays perform worse than the single
drives they are made of.

I suggest building a good RAID 0 from two 10K RPM drives and a good
controller. Write speed will be the same but you will have a 33 percent
read speed improvement.

Thanks, Tom
256-656-1924

-Original Message-
From: "Curt Raymond" 
To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: 4/22/09 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?

Wow, thats a great reply thanks, though those cards are probably way
more serious than I need. The computer they'd go into is an old HP
xw8000 I salvaged from work. I don't care for anything other than RAID 0
for my use, all my material will be from timecode source so if it goes
away I just redigitize...

When you say 1 Gig per minute, you're meaning 16.6MB/s? (or 17 I guess
if your GB is 1024MB). Thats not really fast enough for what I want
you're using these in a server sort of environment?

Video is really a world unto itself. I'd want to do 2 streams of
uncompressed SD at least, 3 would be better so I'll need 50-75MB/s
sustained throughput, 4 SATA drives should be able to handle that pretty
easily. My 4 SCSI drives will do 6.

I don't need huge storage at home 2TB would be plenty. If I get a really
big project I could use a system at work. The big system in my classroom
is 32TB and capable of 400MB/s. It scales all the way up to 384TB which
would be 4800MB/s total bandwidth. With a 10Gb connection we've clocked
clients at 500MB/s... Its pretty amazing.

You're right about USB 2, it sucks for data transfer, firewire 400 is
faster. USB 2 is bus adjudicated too so if you've got a USB 2 printer
it'll suck up half the bandwidth, got a USB 2 scanner? Then each device
gets 1/3 the bandwidth if its doing something or not... Cruel joke that
USB 2.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:06:25 -0400
From: dave walton 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Message-ID:
    <1ec5633a0904221406r68d97fb9mc73216e88b569...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I've been using 3Ware. It works okay. Use the 9500S for PCI-X and the
9650SE for PCI-E. The main drawback to 3Ware is that they don't
support VMWare ESX. They have a driver, but it sucks. If you want to
run that you need to use Adaptec-SAS or Areca. But then you run into
problems with the 2Tb limit of VMWare.  I tried the Adaptec 3805.
Works okay but does not have a 2Tb carving function so you have to run
multiple small arrays under ESX. I've not tried Areca but have heard
good things about them.

I've had nothing but problems with Promise and Highpoint controllers,
but that was a few years ago by now. Maybe they improved. I suspect
not.

For partitions > 2Tb you need to use Guid not MBR volumes. That means
you can't boot off the large partition unless you are running an Intel
Itanium based system with it's special version of Windows. 3Ware 9650
has a feature to create a smaller boot partition from a large array
that looks like it's own drive to Windows. That saves you from
dedicating drives just to boot from.
Also - beware of running very large Dynamic volumes under Vista. It
does not like them. You need to use Windows 2003 or 2008 for that. I
was trying to configure a 10Tb volume and it became corrupted when
rebooting under Vista. I switched to Server 2008 and the problems went
away. My largest array is 16 - 1.5Tb SATA drives that gives just under
19TB usable using Raid-6. I use that for organizing backups before I
archive them. I get 3-5 Gig per minute throughput if I turn on write
caching. I'm lucky to get 1Gpm with caching off.

I got the Adaptec 3805 (8-port) for  $300 on eBay with the battery
backup module. I've seen the 3Ware 9650SE 16 port go for < $500.

You definitely need the BBU. I've already lost one array when a
machine blue-screened under heavy IO and did not have one installed.

All the controllers support adding additional drives and migrating the
array to include them so you can increase capacity. 3Ware also
supports incrementally swapping drives out for larger capacity ones,
but you need a custom script from Support to expand the array to
include the extra space. I've not tried that yet. Keep in mind that
the cluster size you start with has to accommodate the largest
partition size you will use. That is to say that you can't format with
a 512 byte cluster and later expand to a partition > 2Tb. So I started
out my 19Tb partition with an 8192 byte cluster even though I did not
have all 16 drives in the initial configuration.

On a final note, getting data in and out of a large array can take a
while. I started using USB 2.0 external SATA Docking stations, but
they maxed out at ~ 20 Mb/sec. I switched to ESATA and that number
rose to 50 - 80 M

Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?

[Tom Hargrave]

Curt,

The best setup is a RAID 10 with 4, 6 or 8 drives.

Stay away from the cheap controllers - they are junk. Also, you want a true
hardware RAID controller.

Here's a good one for 2 drives:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116030

If you want to get real serious, here's a 12 port RAID card that should
perform well:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116057


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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:36 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: [MBZ] SATA controller?

Anybody got experience with add-on SATA controllers?
I want to add a bunch of storage to one of my systems and eliminate a stack
of SCSI external drives (They're LOUD) and SATA drives look like the
cheaper/faster way to go, plus I've only got one open IDE slot.

Now remember I'll be editing video on this system, a cheap/crappy controller
isn't acceptable. And yes of course I want to do this on the cheap, well as
cheap as possible anyway...

-Curt



  
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[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices

[Tom Hargrave]

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   On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD
(Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes)

Diesel Prices Web URL:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp

   Average All Types

US
NATL   EASTNEWCENTLOWER   GULF   ROCKY   WEST
 DATE   AVGCOAST ENGLAND   ATL ATL   MIDWEST  COAST   MTN   COAST
CA

   PADD   PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD   PADDPADD
 I IA  IB  IC  II III IV  V
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090420  2.221  2.264  2.403   2.392   2.197   2.166   2.186  2.274  2.327
2.340
090413  2.229  2.273  2.420   2.402   2.204   2.175   2.202  2.250  2.336
2.350
090406  2.228  2.279  2.429   2.419   2.205   2.178   2.210  2.213  2.311
2.335
090330  2.221  2.281  2.424   2.399   2.218   2.176   2.203  2.146  2.282
2.297
090323  2.090  2.166  2.403   2.315   2.081   2.038   2.060  2.036  2.150
2.129
090316  2.017  2.093  2.403   2.254   1.995   1.965   1.973  1.988  2.091
2.049
090309  2.045  2.122  2.434   2.287   2.022   1.988   2.006  2.017  2.120
2.075
090302  2.087  2.153  2.472   2.314   2.055   2.030   2.043  2.091  2.185
2.144
090223  2.130  2.199  2.514   2.368   2.098   2.071   2.074  2.158  2.238
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3.963
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Re: [MBZ] Wanting 'next to free' car

[Tom Hargrave]

Brian,

I have a 300SDL with a decent body, interior, etc, etc and engine trouble
that I'll be happy to sell you.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Brian Smyla
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:22 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Wanting 'next to free' car

But that's not the 300SDL with decent body, interior and suspension and a
bad or missing engine that I'm looking for!  Oh, and it should be somewhere
in the southeast :)

-brian


Kaleb wrote:

It is pretty funny.  I have people whining about wanting a such and such
car for next to free.  I eventually come up with said car, then nobody
wants to buy it.
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Re: [MBZ] Driving a turbodiesel missing 3 injector seals

[Tom Hargrave]

The heat shields protect the injectors from excess engine heat, not the
other way around. Probably no harm done.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:11 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Driving a turbodiesel missing 3 injector seals

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:23:02 -0500 "Tom Hargrave" 
wrote:

> I've had several diesels that were missing the seals, more correctly
> called heat shields. I saw no damage to the engine and as soon as I
> realized they were missing, I installed them.

When I re-did our '82 240D/3.0's injectors, I found it was missing all 5
heat shields. The only problems I noticed was that things were well
carboned up inside the prechamber (I replaced all 5) and that there was
some small amount of leakage past one of the injectors -- visible as
bubbling in the diesel oil I had spilled there.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Driving a turbodiesel missing 3 injector seals

[Tom Hargrave]

I've had several diesels that were missing the seals, more correctly called
heat shields. I saw no damage to the engine and as soon as I realized they
were missing, I installed them.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Steve MacSween
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:10 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Driving a turbodiesel missing 3 injector seals

Anyone want to tell me what the immediate (performance) and LONG-TERM
effects of this might be on an OM617.952 (say driving 2 years that way)?

Thanks

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] OT - IBM Working to Integrate ALL Med Records

[Tom Hargrave]

I did not say I agreed with it, I just stated where things are going.

There are benefits.

What if you have a chronic condition - let's say congestive heart failure,
you are traveling and have an accident. You are hauled into the ER and they
have to know what medications not to give you. For example, if they give you
the wrong stuff, you could die in the ER from heart failure or internal
bleeding.

With an on-line system, the attending physician can pull up your records and
adjust your treatment accordingly.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 2:35 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - IBM Working to Integrate ALL Med Records

(and political hacks, the local shire riff the po lice and other rif 
raff to access at will without permission)

Just remember how few hours it was before Joe the plum ber's complete 
history was all over the me dia, including his private I RS records.

At 01:59 PM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>One of my software clients is the local Mental Health Center. Some
>impressive software is already available for digitizing & automating
medical
>records. It's just a matter of time until all medical records are digital &
>stored in a national database for all physicians to access (with your
>permission).
>
>Thanks,
>Tom Hargrave
>www.kegkits.com
>http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
>256-656-1924
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
>On Behalf Of Rick Knoble
>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:37 PM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - IBM Working to Integrate ALL Med Records
>
> > Just saw a disturbing TV  commercial (History Channel) where dozens of
> > white robed technicans talk about what they are working on.  Seems they
> > want to create a huge database that puts medical records, insurance
> > records, hospital records, etc etc where *everything* talks to
everything
> > else! Don't know about you, but this doesn't sound like the greatest
idea.
>
> > Sure, it may make the insurance business more profitible, but at the
> > expense of patient privacy!  We've had a regular diet of reports of
credit
>
> > card information being lost or stolen when hard drives are given away,
> > lost or stolen.  That's *very* bad.  But medical records being out there
> > for all to see is even worse IMHO.
>
>http://solari.com/archive/databeast
>
>Here yak go. Believe it or don't. I don't bother posting this stuff
anymore.
>
>I don't think anyone believes it's real.
>
>Rick Knoble
>'85 300 CD
>'87 190 DT
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - IBM Working to Integrate ALL Med Records

[Tom Hargrave]

One of my software clients is the local Mental Health Center. Some
impressive software is already available for digitizing & automating medical
records. It's just a matter of time until all medical records are digital &
stored in a national database for all physicians to access (with your
permission).

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Tom Hargrave
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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Rick Knoble
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - IBM Working to Integrate ALL Med Records

> Just saw a disturbing TV  commercial (History Channel) where dozens of 
> white robed technicans talk about what they are working on.  Seems they 
> want to create a huge database that puts medical records, insurance 
> records, hospital records, etc etc where *everything* talks to everything 
> else! Don't know about you, but this doesn't sound like the greatest idea.

> Sure, it may make the insurance business more profitible, but at the 
> expense of patient privacy!  We've had a regular diet of reports of credit

> card information being lost or stolen when hard drives are given away, 
> lost or stolen.  That's *very* bad.  But medical records being out there 
> for all to see is even worse IMHO.

http://solari.com/archive/databeast

Here yak go. Believe it or don't. I don't bother posting this stuff anymore.

I don't think anyone believes it's real.

Rick Knoble
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Re: [MBZ] NOW HIRING!!

[Tom Hargrave]

Wish I had time, I'd "volunteer".

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:24 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] NOW HIRING!!

ROFLMAO!!

(aka "touche")

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> I saw a guy standing under the freeway in Houston with a sign that said
> "Will Work for Used MB Parts" -- he is probably still there if you sent
> someone to look him up.
>
> --R
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>
>> Okiebenz needs you!!  Looking for experience, or, half way experience,
>> person to create and maintain webpages on okiebenz.com.  Our website has
>> never been finished and needs materials put up for different tech
articles
>> that have been accumulating for years.  Pay?  Well, the pay would be in
the
>> form of free or discounted used MB parts. Interested parties send me an
>> email offlist.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedesshop is no more

[Tom Hargrave]

I'm sure that customers in NT State won't understand. At least Rusty is
smart enough to come up with a name that works buymbparts.com.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:49 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedesshop is no more

Yeah, "peachparts?"  Are they in  GA, too?  'Sounds like they're talking 
about sliced peaches and peach seeds.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Hargrave" 
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedesshop is no more


> For some reason, "peachparts" just isn't the same.
>
> Thanks,
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:52 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List; Banned List
> Subject: [MBZ] Mercedesshop is no more
>
> DB AG decided they wanted the name for themselves.
> Kind of like Ford-Diesel.com becoming thedieselstop.com
>
> I think they could have fought and kept it, just like thiscompanysucks.com
> is not automatically the property of thiscompany, but DB can afford to pay
> the
> lawyers.
>
> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=249300
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedesshop is no more

[Tom Hargrave]

For some reason, "peachparts" just isn't the same.

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On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:52 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] Mercedesshop is no more

DB AG decided they wanted the name for themselves.
Kind of like Ford-Diesel.com becoming thedieselstop.com

I think they could have fought and kept it, just like thiscompanysucks.com
is not automatically the property of thiscompany, but DB can afford to pay
the 
lawyers.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=249300

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Re: [MBZ] Smart v. C

[Tom Hargrave]

You can never out smart physics and in the case of a small car verses a
mid-size or large car, "big always wins".


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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:24 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Smart v. C

Rich Thomas wrote:
> ouch.
> 
> http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7329117&page=1

"The Smart Fortwo hybrid vehicle, made by Mercedes, went airborne when
crashed 
into the heavier Mercedes Cheap Class. The heavier car always strikes the 
lighter one with more force, according to the institute."

If they were doing mini vs midsize, why not the E series? They tested the 
smallest Honda and Toyo models against the Accord and Camry.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] House cleaning - MB's FS

[Tom Hargrave]

Wish I had the money - I'd go after the 300TD.

Interested in trading for a 300SDL, also with a bad head or head gasket?
This way, you'll have two!

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Ralph W
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:46 AM
To: Mercedes List
Subject: [MBZ] House cleaning - MB's FS

Hello Listers,
The time as come to divest myself of some of my fleet. I need to dispose of
the the '90 300D and the '87 300TD. They will probably hit Craigslist
shortly but I'll share the particulars with the list first. E-mail me if you
have any interest and I can provide more details and pics. Cars are in Metro
Detroit.

1990 300D: Bad head. Body is in excellant shape. No rust. Alabama car.
Rebuilt rear suspension. Nice beige MB Tex interior. Good tranny. 225K on
the clock. AC not working, probably bad evap. Best Offer.

1987 300TD: I bought this wagon from Jeff Zedic about two years ago. 305K on
the clock. Runs well and tranny is decent. Replaced a while back with a
salvage tranny. Minor rust in wheel wells. Fair interior. AC not working. IP
leaks oil, needs to be rebuilt. Leveling system recently rebuilt. $2000 or
B.O.

-- 
Ralph Wasserbaech
2001 E320 wagon
1990 300D
1987 300TD
1983 300CD
1983 300TD (parts car)
1995 Infinity G20 (inherited recently)
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Re: [MBZ] CL fun

[Tom Hargrave]

This one has really good brakes  1987 Mercedes - $8000
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1121270715.html

What does "mild body and interior work needed" mean?

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:16 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] CL fun

Something for everyone


92 merz benz 300d turbo diesel - $6500
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1121336783.html

This one has really good brakes  1987 Mercedes - $8000  
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1121270715.html
The lessons of life   http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1121194245.html

A Sprinter bambablance  http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1121071436.html


1987 Mercedes Benz 190D 2.5 Turbo Diesel W201 - $3300  
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1118979372.html


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Re: [MBZ] No preglow indicator lite, no start

[Tom Hargrave]

Loosing the alternator in the rain is a classic symptom of a belt that's too
loose.

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:41 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] No preglow indicator lite, no start

Glenn,
I had to drive my 240D through a terrible rain storm last week-lost the
alternator completely and finally the battery-had to get a ride home on the
AAA maxi taxi.  I recall other problems on the list with 123
alternators-that would be my guess.
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Glenn Brown
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:51 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] No preglow indicator lite, no start

Relating to my '84 300D:  After grocery shopping on Fri. and experiencing a
rather heavy rainfall, I returned home and parked the car in the garage as
per usual.  When attempting to start the car on Sun. AM to go to church, all
I got was a sickly buzzing sound for ~ 13 sec. and then it stopped.  All the
other dash lites (e.g., Charge indicator, Brake pad wear indicator, Brake
warning lamp, and Seat belt warning lamp) are on, but the Preglowing
indicator lamp is not lit and of course there's no activation of the
starter.  The sickly buzzing sound mentioned appears to be coming from the
rectangular box where the glow plug fuse is located, and all other fuses and
electrics appear fine.  Anybody got any clue as to what to look for?  I
connected the battery, which is only a couple years old, to my Battery
Tender for >24H without any effect.  TIA.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] No preglow indicator lite, no start

[Tom Hargrave]

Dead battery cell

bad battery connection

loose alternator belt allowing the battery to drain too far down

bad alternator allowing the battery to drain too far down. Alternators don't
always fail completely. Sometimes you loose a phase.

Bad regulator

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Glenn Brown
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:51 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] No preglow indicator lite, no start

Relating to my '84 300D:  After grocery shopping on Fri. and experiencing a
rather heavy rainfall, I returned home and parked the car in the garage as
per usual.  When attempting to start the car on Sun. AM to go to church, all
I got was a sickly buzzing sound for ~ 13 sec. and then it stopped.  All the
other dash lites (e.g., Charge indicator, Brake pad wear indicator, Brake
warning lamp, and Seat belt warning lamp) are on, but the Preglowing
indicator lamp is not lit and of course there's no activation of the
starter.  The sickly buzzing sound mentioned appears to be coming from the
rectangular box where the glow plug fuse is located, and all other fuses and
electrics appear fine.  Anybody got any clue as to what to look for?  I
connected the battery, which is only a couple years old, to my Battery
Tender for >24H without any effect.  TIA.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices

[Tom Hargrave]

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-Original Message-
From: eia_lists...@eia.doe.gov [mailto:eia_lists...@eia.doe.gov] 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 2:14 PM
To: weekdfpr...@tonto.eia.doe.gov
Subject: Today's Diesel Prices

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   On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD
(Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes)

Diesel Prices Web URL:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp

   Average All Types

US
NATL   EASTNEWCENTLOWER   GULF   ROCKY   WEST
 DATE   AVGCOAST ENGLAND   ATL ATL   MIDWEST  COAST   MTN   COAST
CA

   PADD   PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD   PADDPADD
 I IA  IB  IC  II III IV  V
--  -  - ---  -   -  ---  -  -  -
-

090413  2.229  2.273  2.420   2.402   2.204   2.175   2.202  2.250  2.336
2.350
090406  2.228  2.279  2.429   2.419   2.205   2.178   2.210  2.213  2.311
2.335
090330  2.221  2.281  2.424   2.399   2.218   2.176   2.203  2.146  2.282
2.297
090323  2.090  2.166  2.403   2.315   2.081   2.038   2.060  2.036  2.150
2.129
090316  2.017  2.093  2.403   2.254   1.995   1.965   1.973  1.988  2.091
2.049
090309  2.045  2.122  2.434   2.287   2.022   1.988   2.006  2.017  2.120
2.075
090302  2.087  2.153  2.472   2.314   2.055   2.030   2.043  2.091  2.185
2.144
090223  2.130  2.199  2.514   2.368   2.098   2.071   2.074  2.158  2.238
2.219
090216  2.186  2.250  2.559   2.420   2.148   2.137   2.133  2.183  2.284
2.262
090209  2.219  2.296  2.576   2.450   2.205   2.173   2.156  2.211  2.292
2.269
090202  2.246  2.325  2.583   2.484   2.233   2.201   2.189  2.229  2.303
2.288
090126  2.268  2.344  2.595   2.490   2.258   2.232   2.202  2.243  2.319
2.296
090119  2.296  2.377  2.613   2.514   2.297   2.264   2.227  2.249  2.338
2.319
090112  2.314  2.395  2.621   2.516   2.322   2.289   2.244  2.235  2.353
2.334
090105  2.291  2.380  2.596   2.496   2.310   2.272   2.228  2.215  2.275
2.239
081229  2.327  2.423  2.638   2.536   2.355   2.314   2.264  2.250  2.273
2.241
081222  2.366  2.469  2.689   2.566   2.406   2.359   2.306  2.272  2.274
2.251
081215  2.422  2.534  2.740   2.642   2.469   2.406   2.378  2.350  2.303
2.292
081208  2.515  2.632  2.849   2.742   2.564   2.491   2.465  2.447  2.421
2.402
081201  2.615  2.735  2.954   2.875   2.655   2.578   2.556  2.577  2.553
2.538
081124  2.664  2.788  2.997   2.925   2.710   2.624   2.598  2.644  2.608
2.605
081117  2.809  2.924  3.148   3.072   2.840   2.764   2.745  2.822  2.768
2.754
081110  2.944  3.060  3.266   3.203   2.980   2.888   2.895  2.964  2.910
2.913
081103  3.088  3.219  3.420   3.369   3.137   3.018   3.033  3.157  3.052
3.057
081027  3.288  3.397  3.573   3.509   3.333   3.244   3.219  3.375  3.233
3.286
081020  3.482  3.553  3.729   3.633   3.503   3.447   3.453  3.555  3.433
3.460
081013  3.659  3.709  3.892   3.794   3.655   3.641   3.631  3.697  3.622
3.656
081006  3.875  3.928  4.036   3.978   3.896   3.858   3.843  3.886  3.847
3.869
080929  3.959  4.020  4.077   4.073   3.992   3.936   3.929  3.944  3.941
3.963
080922  3.958  4.021  4.110   4.081   3.987   3.931   3.924  3.964  3.943
3.951
080915  4.023  4.082  4.246   4.166   4.031   3.973   4.011  4.041  4.056
4.053
080908  4.059  4.100  4.312   4.246   4.018   4.015   4.015  4.105  4.156
4.185
080901  4.121  4.169  4.359   4.307   4.093   4.066   4.068  4.184  4.248
4.282
080825  4.145  4.199  4.382   4.360   4.113   4.073   4.098  4.227  4.286
4.359
080818  4.207  4.263  4.422   4.414   4.184   4.130   4.156  4.319  4.356
4.422
080811  4.353  4.420  4.584   4.563   4.344   4.267   4.299  4.473  4.511
4.607
080804  4.502  4.563  4.735   4.672   4.501   4.419   4.450  4.605  4.664
4.781
080728  4.603  4.664  4.806   4.772   4.604   4.518   4.570  4.657  4.766
4.869
080721  4.718  4.773  4.869   4.869   4.723   4.649   4.701  4.714  4.845
4.964
080714  4.764  4.822  4.889   4.912   4.777   4.698   4.737  4.718  4.909
5.026
080707  4.727  4.789  4.863   4.887   4.741   4.654   4.697  4.672  4.886

Re: [MBZ] getting tires to seat on rim

[Tom Hargrave]

Some tires are so stiff that it is impossible to mount them on a manual
stand. If that's the case with yours, the only answer is to take them
somewhere to be mounted.

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:05 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] getting tires to seat on rim

exactly

Tom Hargrave wrote:
> I suspect that the issue Kaleb is having is that the sidewalls will not
> expand car enough apart for both to tough the rime. If this is the case,
> slime won't work.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
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> 256-656-1924

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  89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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