Thanks. I put a used one in the 300td this year already. Not a good year
for differentials apparently.
I put a wavetrac LSD into the 606 wagon. That is the only one I have
rebuilt. Did not touch the pinion so I just bolted it back together.
I suspect the howl is from the pinion. There seem to be
In the one diff that I had to rebuild back when I was a paid wrench, the
noise was coming from the pinion gear - it was visibly worn. We replaced
the gears and bearings, after waiting months for the special order Volvo
parts, and sent it on its way, happy and quiet.
I'd vote for getting a used
On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 10:23:04 -0700 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
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> Anyone have an old 2.42 diff from a 126? The USA sel cars had LSD, but
> not critical. Mine is whining. I guess I could put new bearings in and
> see if that fixes it, but I wonder if it is a bearing or gears that
> fail.
Anyone have an old 2.42 diff from a 126? The USA sel cars had LSD, but not
critical. Mine is whining. I guess I could put new bearings in and see if
that fixes it, but I wonder if it is a bearing or gears that fail.
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I agree on the 3k thing. I do think there is some regional variation and it
is totally rust free. I could find a 3k version somewhere but if it costs
1k to get it here, it doesnt really put me ahead. Most of these cars are
well over 200k and things like the sun visor mirror lids are all broken
3K sounds better. A family member recently purchased a late 80's 420SEL, he
loves it. Beautiful dark red color. Recently took it on a multi day road
trip, got mileage on the mid 20s, one tank was upper 20s when they had a tail
wind all day.
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
Apr 15, 2021 8:56:09 PM
Well I checked out the 5400 dollar 560 sel. It is honestly pretty straight
but someone did a crappy repaint so the clear is flaking off in places, the
accumulators are done, and it is leaking either power steering fluid or sls
fluid down the front and on the steering knuckle. But it has good power
> Does the 560 really take premium?
I rarely gave mine that. Only in hot weather does it really
seem to make a difference. Typically I got maybe 17mpg,
would crest 20 on optimal trips.
Electronics is a weak point, particularly things like cruise control
and HVAC. Vacuum pods don't last
The 560SEC got fairly abysmal fuel mileage on premium, not that I cared
much as it was just something fun to drive occsionally. I have not
driven it in awhile, it has some issue with rough running I have not dug
into yet. Probably all the hoses and vac and such in there. Apparently
the
People seem to get 20 on the freeway on the forums but honestly I don't
think I have ever calculated the mileage on any of my cars. I am glad I
drove the wagon during residency when I did not have a lot of cash; it was
and still is a lot of car for the money and ran cheap. These days I buy
cars by
W126 has a 30 gal. tank. My brother got 28 mpg on the highway with his SDL, so
had enormous range. At 14, about 400 miles or so, which isn't too bad.
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Fair point, but I think you're talking more like about 12 for that car.
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs=5751
Allan
Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes:
> Funny, people do not consider 14-20 mpg poor mileage when talking
> about a pickup or SUV that they drive like a car most
Funny, people do not consider 14-20 mpg poor mileage when talking about a
pickup or SUV that they drive like a car most of the time. It would fit
right in here. I just hope it has a large tank so I don't have to fill up
very often. Does the 560 really take premium?
On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:47 PM
I'm assuming that the 560 version of the M117 has the same intake layout as
the iron block 450 version. If so, it's likely that the myriad rubber hoses
under the top intake housing are all rock hard and leaking badly, which
yields an engine that will barely run, if it starts at all. Those bits
With the recent trend on the price of gas, feeding premium to that
thirsty machine would probably be at least somewhere on the list of
concerns.
Allan
Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes:
> Is there anything not to like about these old V8 w126 sleds? They must have
> their pet mechanical
Is there anything not to like about these old V8 w126 sleds? They must have
their pet mechanical issues, just like all the other old Mercs. There are a
couple near me; one is a 91 two owner California car with ~120k and the
paint and interior look like new in the photos, so it must have lived
Donate it, since selling would probably net you $500 if that.
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 7:56 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> I don't have any current pictures, yet. The car is in Spokane, WA.
>
> The wife has always hated the car, due to its circumstances of arrival.
I don't have any current pictures, yet. The car is in Spokane, WA.
The wife has always hated the car, due to its circumstances of arrival.
SWDNF (She Who Does Not Forgive/Forget) wants it gone, and I
work from home, so a nap refuge vehicle is no longer of any use.
-- Jim
pics, location?
On 1/10/2021 2:55 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
The time has come to move my 1990 560SEL napmobile on. Rough cosmetic
condition, was guardrailed. (Have matching front fender and front door,
though.)
I haven't been driving it, and the last time I went to move it the
The time has come to move my 1990 560SEL napmobile on. Rough cosmetic
condition, was guardrailed. (Have matching front fender and front door,
though.)
I haven't been driving it, and the last time I went to move it the starter
would not engage.
(Whir Didn't respond to BFH.) Last thing
On 2020-11-12 15:58, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Those 2 missing cylinders might have something to do with it
https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/ctd/d/interlachen-mercedes-benz/7229801312.html
Sounds like a bad fuel pump relay.
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> Good work. How are you wiring the LEDs? To monitor if power is being
> passed by the devices properly?
Internal to the PBU, I have nestled a red and a blue LED behind two of the
switches. The red LED is behind the DEF button, and is wired so that it
turns on when the monovalve is
Good work. How are you wiringvthe LEDs? To monitor if power is being passed by
the devices properly?
--R
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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 9:19 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> The heat control has been flaky for some time, and as things cool down
> it's
The heat control has been flaky for some time, and as things cool down
it's getting more critical. Just the lightest touch on the control
wheel would make it cut in and out. (The monovalve LED I added some
time ago is really crucial for this kind of diagnostic.) Today I
finally made some time
I doubt the owner will get his reserve b/c "This 1991 Mercedes-Benz 560SEL
was *refurbished under the prior owner for $37k* in 2014 to a high
standard."
What was he thinking? Maybe with 138 miles but i38k?
I caved recently and sent the SEL to the spa, which has taken
care of the worst of the miscellaneous fluid leaks. I hope.
When I took it in to get licensed it failed its stink test,
due to its intermittent high idle.
That old thing.
I did some research and decided to try moving the brass
plug
Wretched car.
I put the car up on ramps and started it, let it get good and warm.
It was like a gentle warm rain under the car, all the various fluids
dripping from above. The most immediately disturbing, and the last
one to start, was coolant. I had thought that the heater core was
holed and
Well you won't have to worry about underbody rust.
--R
On 5/11/2011 11:00 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:
Wretched car.
I put the car up on ramps and started it, let it get good and warm.
It was like a gentle warm rain under the car, all the various fluids
dripping from above. The most immediately
It was like a gentle warm rain under the car, all the various fluids
dripping from above.
Jim
Truly a memorable and poetic line.
A paean to the car fixit buffs of ancient and modern times.
Gerry
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Kaleb? Maybe a reading of the quotes at the Atlanta GTG is in order. Whose got
good pipes?
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It was like a gentle warm rain
It was like a gentle warm rain under the car, all the various fluids
dripping from above.
Translation: I couldn't find a place to lie under there where
hot crap wouldn't be dropping on me. Made it hard to investigate!
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It's official: I'm starting to hate this car. My wife went to pick up
our son from school yesterday, and called me to say that the car was
dripping. I had her drop by so I could take a look. Coolant, from
the transmission area, a pretty significant flow. (The level wasn't
really down much,
Your problems aside, that is a really nice car. So incredibly well built and
comfortable and fast. These things seem to go for nothing nowadays-perhaps due
to the abysmal gas mileage.
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It's official: I'm
So I've been driving the 560 SEL lately and it seems to me that it has
one other odd behavior to go along with its variably-high and
sometimes rough idle: as it's warming up it is somewhat puny and rough
running, but as the engine temperature gauge approaches normal
operating temperature it's
What if it is woefully 'out of tune', but switches from open loop to closed loop
mode at a certain temperature, checks the O2 sensor and adjusts itself?
Mitch.
Jim Cathey wrote:
So I've been driving the 560 SEL lately and it seems to me that it has
one other odd behavior to go along with its
Jim Cathey wrote:
So I've been driving the 560 SEL lately and it seems to me that it has
one other odd behavior to go along with its variably-high and
sometimes rough idle: as it's warming up it is somewhat puny and rough
running, but as the engine temperature gauge approaches normal
I think your car has a WUR ? Maybe it's sticking a bit. I believe it has a
bi-metal strip and an electrical connection. They're usually mounted on a
warm part of the engine, so if the electrical portion fails, the housing
will still get warm from the engine mounting, and activate the bi-metal
Daughter's 380SL ran fast at idle and variable speeds. We found the
timing way off, and fuel turned up high.
I found the vacuum lines all messed up. Connecting them properly
didn't seem to make a difference. Idle air solenoid is sticky.
Kleb was supposed to bring me a replacement. Still
My understanding is, the real purpose of the O2 is to keep the air and fuel
metered at the proper stoichiometric ratio that the cats require to
operate. So I would guess if you don't have cats on your car, you probably
don't have an O2. With computers, they can help to workout the driving
needs,
I think your car has a WUR?
It has something, I'm sure, but not the classic bi-metallic
WUR from the 450 days. This is a 1990 car.
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Reminders me of the 300SDL that had the idle control sensor and AC high
engine temp sensor connectors switched -- the AC would run till the engine
hit operatin temp, then it would turn off. The idle wasn't affected that I
could tell, but it was a great running 603. Both sensors were in one housing
Given this car has KE jetronic injection it will have an O2 sensor, as
info from the sensor tells the computer how to adjust the mixture via
the EHA.
I may or may not have cats.
Timing issues are usually to do with the ignition computer but it is
expensive so guesstimate replacement is not
After a day the car still is driving right, and there's
no appreciable change in the tank fluid level. Fixed?
-- Jim
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After a day the car still is driving right, and there's
no appreciable change in the tank fluid level. Fixed?
Sure seems like that is a possibility.
Craig
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Well, the $9 repair of my rear SLS leak is provisionally successful.
The story:
I jacked up the back of the car, high as I could get it. Two jacks,
two jackstands. I sprayed PB Blaster on all the hydraulic fittings.
The height valve may have been messed with, the locknut isn't anywhere
near
Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net writes:
It might be possible to find something from a place like Gardan Mfg.,
but their off-the-shelf selection didn't look that promising. The
boot needs an extension range of 1.75-6.5 (overall length), an
outside diameter of no more than 2.25, and a
Of Jim Cathey
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Well, the $9 repair of my rear SLS leak is provisionally successful.
The story:
I jacked up the back of the car, high as I could get it. Two jacks,
two jackstands. I
Hot damn!
I suspect air pressure isn't quite adequate to hold the car up, eh?
Great job!
Peter
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I presume she took note that this is a mineral oil hydraulic system (not
synthetic/glycol-based). The mineral oil will eat rubbers not meant for it and
vice-versa.
On 2011-01-09, at 16:34, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:
They looked pretty normal
to her and she got out the calipers for
I presume she took note that this is a mineral oil hydraulic system
(not synthetic/glycol-based). The mineral oil will eat rubbers not
meant for it and vice-versa.
Dunno. It was a hydraulic cylinder shop, I think I may
have mentioned mineral oil. Maybe not. Aren't most
bulldozer cyls on
Wonder if the Astoria Flexx boot for rack and pinion units would work?
http://www.astoria2000.com/fb4000info.html
That looks pretty interesting!
-- Jim
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need it.
Manfred
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:36:44 -0800
From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL -- now hyd cylinder
I have a really old hydraulic floor jack with a leaky
cylinder, have
thought for some time to try
I have a really old hydraulic floor jack with a leaky cylinder, have
thought for some time to try to rehabilitate it. Are those similarly
arranged?
I think they can be repaired, but I've never done one.
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Rebuild depends on design and availability of parts. If the seals
are all orings, you are in luck as long as metal parts are not worn
badly. I think some jack pumps use a cup in the pump, and it may be
hard to find replacement cups.
I have worked on hyd cylinders that are in the range of
On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 07:41:43 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
I have worked on hyd cylinders that are in the range of 100 years old,
but still perform regular duty made with leather cups. The leather
cups are available. The cylinders run and work ok at 2000 psi. One I
saw being
Yes, that is why leather can work in such a situation
On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 07:41:43 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
I have worked on hyd cylinders that are in the range of 100 years old,
but still perform regular duty made with leather cups. The leather
cups are available. The
Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 2:18:46 AM
Subject: [MBZ] 560 SEL
A set of seals for the SLS rear strut was $8.87 today.
Wish me luck!
-- Jim
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Subject: [MBZ] 560 SEL
A set of seals for the SLS rear strut was $8.87 today.
Wish me luck!
-- Jim
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How did you already get the old apart?
Snap rings hold it [strut] together.
You need two thin wrenches to get the
ball joint off the bottom.
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OK, didn't realize there was a difference between 126 struts and 124.
-Max
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL
The 87 TD struts
The 87 TD struts are different and I have been told by several
different authoritative sources that they are not rebuildable.
Did you see:
http://bmwe32.masscom.net/gavin/LAD_strut_rebuild.htm
Does that crimped-on cap look anything like your strut?
Mine doesn't have that.
-- Jim
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
The 87 TD struts are different and I have been told by several different
authoritative sources that they are not rebuildable.
Did you see:
http://bmwe32.masscom.net/gavin/LAD_strut_rebuild.htm
That page agrees with
I have a really old hydraulic floor jack with a leaky cylinder, have
thought for some time to try to rehabilitate it. Are those similarly
arranged? Parts available? Or should I take it off and take it to a
shop and have them deal with it?
--R
On 12/22/2010 9:37 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:
The
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Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 10:05:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL -- now hyd cylinder
I have a really old hydraulic floor jack with a leaky cylinder, have
thought for some time to try to rehabilitate it. Are those similarly
arranged? Parts available? Or should I take
Rich Thomas wrote:
I have a really old hydraulic floor jack with a leaky cylinder, have
thought for some time to try to rehabilitate it. Are those similarly
arranged? Parts available? Or should I take it off and take it to a
shop and have them deal with it?
Hydraulic cylinders are usually
I don't remember what theTD struts looked like. I threw them out
years ago. I read that article when you posted it the first time.
With that info, it might be possible to do a Catheyesque repair on
them.
The 87 TD struts are different and I have been told by several
different
A set of seals for the SLS rear strut was $8.87 today.
Wish me luck!
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Anybody else find this as intriguing as I do?
http://bmwe32.masscom.net/gavin/LAD_strut_rebuild.htm
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Interesting. Let us know how yours turn out, and where you get the
parts from. I can see you are off on a mission!
Anybody else find this as intriguing as I do?
http://bmwe32.masscom.net/gavin/LAD_strut_rebuild.htm
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So one of the suspension struts is leaking badly, I lost a
full quart in a couple of days. These things re-sealable?
-- Jim
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My wife is not the only unobservant one. This morning
I noticed that the car didn't have an air filter in it!
And we live on a gravel road... Sheesh. I had a used
one in the garage that I installed, after removing the
air metering plate and cleaning out as much oily caked-on
dirt as I could.
Hi Rich, and thanks for the offer, but there are several of them around here
close to home if I decide to take the plunge. ;-)
Thanks again,
Ed
300E
2009/10/14 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
If you are seriously interested I could go take a look at that car. It has
been
saw a great 560 the other day, no rust at all, interior perfect, and rear
window shade. I'd still love a 560 if I could find a nice clean one. I was
tempted to leave a note on the car, as I have done in the past with other
cars, but I resisted. :-)
Ed
300E
-- next part
There's a black one that has been sitting on a used car dealer lot for
months, and posted on CL every few days, $5450
http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/1419164721.html
I have seen it driving by, looks nice exterior but I have not stopped to
look at it. I think this is the one where you
Exterior looks nice. If they are in good running order and clean, it's a
lot of car for $5000.
I know I have an old brochure kicking around somewhere, that listed all the
options. One of them, and an expensive one, was where the bench rear seat
was replaced with two seats, and a center wood
If you are seriously interested I could go take a look at that car. It
has been listed long enough they might be willing to entertain offers.
--R
E M wrote:
Exterior looks nice. If they are in good running order and clean, it's a
lot of car for $5000.
I know I have an old brochure kicking
I got it working again, four (!) of the valves in the valve
block were bad. Unfortunately two of the ones in the one
I got at the U-Pull were also bad. ($3 for the part.)
Fortunately there is room for _two_ valve blocks in there,
so I just put them both in and mix-and-matched to get seven
now tell us again how you tested the valves
Jim Cathey wrote:
I got it working again, four (!) of the valves in the valve
block were bad. Unfortunately two of the ones in the one
I got at the U-Pull were also bad. ($3 for the part.)
Fortunately there is room for _two_ valve blocks in there,
now tell us again how you tested the valves
Ohmmeter. See:
http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mamerepairs.html#acctest
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valve body repair are at:
http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/SELlog.html#19Jul2009
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My wife's been complaining of wacky AC vent behavior,
often going to defrost, and/or losing center vent
output. Since I was fooling with the radio I pulled
the PB array and had a look at its solder joints.
I touched up the switches themselves but didn't see
anything there. (I didn't really
: [MBZ] 560 SEL HVAC
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Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 8:54 AM
My wife's been complaining of wacky
AC vent behavior,
often going to defrost, and/or losing center vent
output. Since I was fooling with the radio I pulled
the PB array and had a look
Did you reflow the solder joints between the bottom board and the side
boards? That's the most common area for failures when it comes to
solder joints in the PB units.
No side boards in the later 126 units. (The side board problem
is a biggie for the ones with the little translucent AUTO
I was putting the car back together today after repairing
the cruise control and lubricating the HVAC motors. While
looking in the trunk for the screws I found _two_ radio
code cards peeking out of a corner. They're even the
right code.
Well, _that_ would have been better to find much earlier!
'Nother ATTABOY.
Wilton
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I was putting the car back together today after repairing
the cruise control
Brushes were cheaper than Honda minivan, but Honda minivan was cheaper than
new wife...
Trampas
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:21 AM, andrew strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:
Take the radio to a dealer and they will give you the code for free.
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Jim Cathey
Brushes were cheaper than Honda minivan, but Honda minivan was cheaper
than
new wife...
New wives aren't that expensive, it's the disposal fee
on the old one that kills you! :-)
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Got the new window slider in today, always fun to
use a BFH and an anvil to fix your car. Got the
door panel back on, but not the handles and trim.
The Becker is WAIT-ing on my bench now. We'll see
tomorrow if it wants a CODE, which I don't have.
The AC is charged, using a test refrigerant.
Take the radio to a dealer and they will give you the code for free.
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
Got the new window slider in today, always fun to
use a BFH and an anvil to fix your car. Got the
door panel back on, but not the handles and trim.
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Does Rusty have the riveted sliders?
Yes he does. And mine are on the way. (I ordered a spare.)
I'll give you $100
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Does Rusty have the riveted sliders?
Yes he does. And mine are on the way. (I ordered a spare.)
I'll give you $100 for it.
Thanks for the offer, I think I'll pass right now.
I learned last week you can buy just a slider and peen it on the arm.
BTDT
I would think that replacing alternator brushes would cost A LOT LESS MONEY
than a new Honda Minivan. Even if you factor in all of the other nickel
and dime issues that would come up with the old Mercedes over the term of
the Honda Minivan payment plan, you're coming out way ahead. Of
More fun, the nylon slider broke in one of the rear windows.
My wife has summarily decided that the car's a POS, and
doesn't want to drive it anymore. (Watch out, the ashtrays
might be dirty too.)
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I'll give you $100 for it.
I learned last week you can buy just a slider and peen it on the arm.
--R
Jim Cathey wrote:
More fun, the nylon slider broke in one of the rear windows.
My wife has summarily decided that the car's a POS, and
doesn't want to drive it anymore. (Watch out, the
Does Rusty have the riveted sliders?
Wilton
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Subject: [MBZ] 560 SEL
More fun, the nylon slider broke in one of the rear windows.
My
Jim Cathey wrote:
More fun, the nylon slider broke in one of the rear windows.
My wife has summarily decided that the car's a POS, and
doesn't want to drive it anymore. (Watch out, the ashtrays
might be dirty too.)
I suspect Jill has a natural bias against that thing, stemming from the way
yep, once the women folk decide that, its downhill from there.
Jim Cathey wrote:
More fun, the nylon slider broke in one of the rear windows.
My wife has summarily decided that the car's a POS, and
doesn't want to drive it anymore. (Watch out, the ashtrays
might be dirty too.)
-- Jim
well I blew a coolant hose today while sitting at a coffee shop. Came out,
coolant EVEYRWHERE! Hmmm, ok, walk a few kms to the nearest shopping mall,
buy two 10 liter jugs of water, walk back. Dig the magic roll of plumbers
take out of the toolbox, (which holds to about 100 psi), order another
Does Rusty have the riveted sliders?
Yes he does. And mine are on the way. (I ordered a spare.)
I'll give you $100 for it.
Thanks for the offer, I think I'll pass right now.
I learned last week you can buy just a slider and peen it on the arm.
BTDT, on the SDL.
I suspect Jill has a
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